1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin, 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Texas today. This interview is brought to you by the 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: Wellness Company, which we are going to talk about here 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: in just a little bit. A great endeavor that doctor 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: Drew is involved with. Doctor Drew Pinsk is a legend 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: board certified physician internal and addiction medicine. Obviously, he's a 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: popular television host Loveline. He's been around for decades. I 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: met him in the late nineties when I first came 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: to LA and started hosting The Bachelor and was on Loveline. 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: I have so much to doctor Drew about his connection 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: to The Bachelor. A question I've never asked him before 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: and joining me now is doctor Drew. It's good to 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: see you again. 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: You as well. You're looking well, Everything cool with you? 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 1: Where are you Austin, Texas? Like a few of our 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: friends headed east No. 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: I was going down there every six weeks to do 19 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: a weekly streaming or YouTube podcast for your mom's house, 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: and so I got very familiar. I did that for 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 2: like three years. I got very familiar with us. 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: It's a great Austin's a great, great town. We've been 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: here for a couple of years now and I absolutely 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: love it and it has It's been a healthy lifestyle 25 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: down here. You just have to try and stay away 26 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: from the kso and the Fijiitas every day. But other 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: than that, the barbecue. The barbecue will do it to you. 28 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm so by the way, there's so much I want 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: to talk to you about. 30 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: Good. 31 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: I realized that I was kind of prepping for this. 32 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: I was thinking, was like, man, I've known doctor Drew 33 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: for two decades. I don't know if you remember the 34 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: first time we met was I'm assuming you were on 35 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: the world famous k Rock with Corolla back in the 36 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: day and we were doing love Line or you were 37 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: doing love Line. I would come in. That's right when 38 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: The Bachelor started. 39 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: Yep, And I remember that. That was the mid to 40 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: late nineties and we were actually I think we were 41 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: in Culver City at that time, but k ROK was 42 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: our local affiliate. Yeah, there's that, and Loveline was on 43 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: MTV back in those days also, if you remember, Yeah, 44 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: and Corol and I still do a podcast. Once you 45 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 2: and I finished our conversation, I got to rush out 46 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: to his studio and talk to him. 47 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: You're a glutton for punishment. Still, I know, I know 48 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: it's crazy, but after twenty years of knowing you, there's 49 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: there's a question that I have never asked you. And 50 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: I'm curious about this because you may not have even known. 51 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: Did you know or were you up for the role 52 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: of host of the Bachelor? 53 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: No one, not that I recall. Is that is that 54 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: something that you heard? 55 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: I because this is when I got into it. This 56 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: is would have been like May of ninety nine, early 57 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: two thousand when I when I got on you know 58 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: the list. There was always a list, and when I 59 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: got down to the final four, I said, you know 60 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: who else is on this list? They named a couple 61 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: of guys and they said doctor Drew. And at this 62 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: point I had never met you. I only knew of 63 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: you and obviously Love Line and all that, and I thought, hysterical, 64 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: I said, you know what, that makes a hell of 65 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: a lot of sense. He's hosting love Line, So it 66 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: makes sense of why you were on in that spectrum 67 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: of why you would clearly they win a completely different 68 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: direction of the type of post of not getting a 69 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: doctor and someone who had any really skill set but 70 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: they they told me back then that you were a 71 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: part of the final four. 72 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: Isn't that something? I didn't thank you for telling me that. 73 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: I don't think I knew it, But I remember when 74 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: you came on being sort of confused by the whole 75 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: notion of this is what it was and how this worked? 76 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: Oh totally. 77 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: There was a lot of stuff in my head around 78 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: reality television. I'm going to do what? And then how 79 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: does that work? So I'm not sure if I'd been 80 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: asked a host, if I would have understood what I 81 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: was being asked to do, I'm sure I wouldn't know. 82 00:03:58,960 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: I'm certain I. 83 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: Would I got I'm so thankful. I had that dumb 84 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: look on my face, as we all did in the 85 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: early two thousands when we were inventing reality TV. But 86 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: I happened to run into Jeff Probs at of All 87 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: Things Celebrity Dodgeball and he had a survivor had been 88 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: on for like six months, and I met him and 89 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: I just walked up and I said, Hey, you know, 90 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: my name's Chris Harrison. I'm hosting this new show. This 91 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: is the basic outline of it. Can you give me 92 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: any sort of insight as to what the hell this is? 93 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: And he said, you know, all I can tell you 94 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: is you will. It's not like, you know, I was 95 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: a newscaster, sportscaster, I'd done all that stuff sports radio, 96 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: but this was a whole different animal. And he kind 97 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: of explained to me, you'll find your sea legs, and 98 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: no show is going to be the same, Like what 99 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: I'm doing on Survivor is kind of game show host story, 100 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: Yours is going to be totally different. So that talk 101 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: actually really kind of helped me figure my way and 102 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: start my way on The Bachelor, which I kind of, 103 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: you know, made my own after twenty. 104 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: Years, which is interesting. And Jeff is such a great guy, 105 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: I mean, a good guy, truly a good guy, and 106 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: so I'm not surprised he gave you something meaningful. The 107 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: what I'm curious from your standpoint, what how you perceive 108 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: reality television? I did you know I was. I've been 109 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: involved with it too, in many different ways. It's always 110 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: kind of confusing to me. It feels like it's many 111 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: different things. Like Jeff said, it's hard to call it 112 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 2: one thing. But what as it was evolving, what did 113 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: you imagine you were doing? Did how did that affect you. 114 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Yeah, no, and that and 115 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: you you kind of hit the nail on the head. 116 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: It's many different things. And I always tell people when 117 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: I speak at schools or whatever, I say, you have 118 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: to think of a spectrum. You know, this is not 119 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: black and white. It's not reality TV or not. There 120 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: is this huge spectrum that is reality TV. And there 121 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: are the the game shows where like Jeff Probes and 122 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: Survivor are Dancing with the Stars. There's very heavy standards 123 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: and practices. There are lawyers because there's money involved, and 124 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: so that's that's a different animal into itself. Then there's 125 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: you know some shows I'm not going to name anybody, 126 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: but they're one hundred percent scripted. You know, they you 127 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: set up the scene, they know what they're going to 128 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: talk about. They you know these people that a lot 129 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: of it's the bio you know, the type lifestyle shows 130 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: where they're following these people around. Nobody's that interesting. Let's 131 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: be honest, even the Kardashians in and of themselves their 132 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: daily lives, they're not that interesting. You have to create, 133 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: you have to produce. And then there's a show like 134 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: The Bachelor, which I always said fell in the middle, 135 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 1: because what we did so well was produce that fish 136 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: bowl environment that you had to live within. So it 137 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: wasn't a surprise that Doctor Drew and Adam Carolla, who 138 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: hated each other, were on the same date. Now, what 139 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: happened within that date that was reality TV. We didn't 140 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: tell you what to do. But there's a reason that 141 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: you guys both like the same girl and hated each 142 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: other and you're together. 143 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's even another category which I participated in, 144 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: which they generally call sort of therapeutic category, which is 145 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: you you come in and just let the cameras roll 146 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: and you just you and it's it still has the 147 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: oddity of and this I'm I want to ask you 148 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: about this. This is one of the odd things about Well, 149 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: it's it's an odd experience because you're having these very 150 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,119 Speaker 2: intimate encounters and there is a camera guy, a cable guy, 151 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: a sound guy over here, the same thing behind you. 152 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: As soon as there's at least six people, maybe nine 153 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: in the room with you. A odd how quickly you 154 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: forget they're there. That's so odd to me. And that's 155 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: number one, and then number two, there's something about the 156 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: environment of reality shows that makes everything intensified. Did you 157 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: experience that? Oh? No. 158 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: I always said TV and reality shows they don't change you. 159 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: I think they just exponentially magnify who you are or 160 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: what you are. 161 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: But I don't know why. I couldn't. I couldn't explain why. 162 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: I just always aware of it. Maybe it's because everybody's 163 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,239 Speaker 2: sort of the lights or the cameras. Something about it 164 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: gets everybody going. 165 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: I think it's what you see. So, you know, we 166 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: always had the this. I always said, Look, if you're 167 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: a good guy, you know, like doctor Drew, you'll come 168 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: off like the greatest guy in the world. If you're 169 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: kind of a snarky pain in the butt, you really 170 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: come off like a villain. It's really magnified magnificently. 171 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: You know. 172 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: I always say, you know, these people on the show, 173 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: they're not that bad, you know, the quote unquote villains. 174 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: But the other thing is TV really magnifies things, for example, religion. 175 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: Religion's a very touchy subject. And I was told and 176 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of true, if you say the word Jesus Christ, 177 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: that really has a powerful punch. And if you say 178 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ once in a conversation, it's like you've said 179 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: it twenty times. Oh yeah, And so there's just ways 180 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: that TV magnifies things because it has like viceral reaction. 181 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: And I remembered that specifically about religion when we would 182 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: cover it on the show, and it's like, well, we 183 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: don't you know, they don't need to say it so 184 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: much because once they say it once, it just has 185 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: that impact. And I found that fascinating. And again you 186 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: would have to dive into the psychology of it, which 187 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: is why I love TV so much. Yeah, what is 188 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: that psychology? And is that when we hear certain things 189 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: or see certain things, it really is magnified in our minds. 190 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: I don't know that anybody it's really and it's very 191 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: specific to television. Obviously, there are certain things that pack 192 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: a punch in the human psyche, and religion, of course, 193 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: is one of these things that is deeply meaningful in 194 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 2: various ways for people. And you know, I've over the 195 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: years talked to people about television and they will say 196 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 2: things like, well, you're you're going into people's living rooms 197 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: and bedrooms and you're there with them. It's something more 198 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: than that. I don't it's no one's ever really studied 199 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: I studied the kinds of people that go into these shows. 200 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: I get that all documented. 201 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: I think we have this voyeuristic you know, I know 202 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: the Bachelor is it's we all want to judge. You know, 203 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: you look at society, you look at social media and 204 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: why it's so popular. We want to flip through and 205 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: just judge everybody's pictures and lives and yeah, cancel them 206 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: or not or put them in the box. That makes 207 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: us feel good about ourselves. And I think reality TV 208 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: was that first initial kind of social you know, societal 209 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: kind of idea where we can sit on our couch 210 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: with our pint of chunky monkey and judge, and we 211 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: love that voyeuristic thing. It makes us feel better about 212 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: ourselves maybe or it also makes us envious. It makes 213 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: us feel all those emotions. It's very It really is interesting. 214 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: How then you see social media now and how now 215 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: kind of reality TV has struggled a little bit because 216 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: it's not as impactful as social media. 217 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: Is, right, that's exactly right. It is all kind of 218 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: and look when when humans watch plays and all the 219 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: way back to Greek tragedy, right, these aren't healthy people 220 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: acting healthy. It's always sick people being sick. Yeah, and 221 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 2: so and and reality does a and I don't mean 222 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: that pejoratively. I mean, you know, it's just that it 223 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 2: you know, it's healthy people. What's the what did tools do? 224 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: I say, you know, healthy families are all healthy in 225 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: the same way, but dysfunctional families are all dysfunk on 226 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: their own unique way. And it's those stories that get us. Yeah. 227 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: I am not been a fan of rally television until 228 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: the pandemic and then I got wrapped into ninety Day 229 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: Fiance and my. 230 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: Wife loves that. You did Special Forces. 231 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,599 Speaker 2: I did Special Forces and that was that was a 232 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: great experience. 233 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: They asked me to do it. I'm really curious, You're 234 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: really curious about your experience on it. 235 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: That's another show where they just let the cameras roll. 236 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: You don't see producers, you don't even see cameras ninety 237 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: percent of the time. They just they just put you 238 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: in there and that's enough. Shit will go down. Trust me. 239 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: I would like to think of myself as athletic and 240 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: can handle that. But I'm like, yeah, okay, doctor Drew 241 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: went down with you know, heat, exhaustion and dehydrations. I'm like, yeah, 242 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know if I want my ass 243 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: kick that much. 244 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: So how do you mind? If I ask gold you 245 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: are fifty two, Yeah, you're you're They shouldn't have people 246 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: in their sixties in there. That's what I've decided because 247 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: your relationship with the environment is quite different. Because I 248 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: I really was ready for it, and it was not 249 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: The physical part did not bother me at all. I 250 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: mean a little bit. Obviously it's rough, but but that 251 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: was an issue. It was the environment that just took 252 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: it tole on me and that was it and I 253 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 2: was out. I was I was confused. I can't always 254 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,599 Speaker 2: tell people. I want to create a T shirt that 255 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: says Jamie Lynn Spears saved my life because she's the 256 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: one that when I when I got in cephalopathic, I 257 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 2: was kind of out of my mind. I didn't know 258 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: where I was. She grabbed me, she goes, you don't 259 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 2: look right, come with me, and dragged me into the 260 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: medical office. 261 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: Wow, Jamielyn Spears saves DOOC. That's the headline. Saves doctor Drew. 262 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 2: She did. She did. 263 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: Doctor Fauci testified in front of the House Subcommittee. 264 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 265 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: I have to get her because I know I've I've 266 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: listened to so many interviews from you, what was your take. 267 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 2: So it's a little complicated, so let me try to 268 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: lay it out. Yeah. It made me reflect on the 269 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: fact that back in the AIDS epidemic, I relied on 270 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: doctor Fauci and the CDC so much, and they were wonderful. 271 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: They were guides, they were led us through it, helped us, 272 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: advised us. They did not tell us what to do. 273 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: They were advisory, as the CDC has always been. And 274 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: so when this pandemic hit, one of the things you 275 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: will not see in the various videos of me telling 276 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: people to calm down at the end of every one, 277 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: I would say, just listen to Fauci, listen to the CDC. 278 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: And that was actually the only thing I got wrong. 279 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: They turned out they went sideways in a weird way 280 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: that I was just astonished. I couldn't believe it. And 281 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: some of the things he was saying yesterday were sort 282 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: of disturbing in their lack of insight into the impact 283 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 2: he had. That kind of bothered me, particularly when he 284 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: was asked about the lab leek hypothesis. I thought about 285 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 2: all the people that were crushed under his direction for 286 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: even entertaining the idea, and his words, specifically that it 287 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: was just another shiny object. He expected it to go away. Now, 288 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: the reality is he said he was open minded during 289 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: the whole thing. He was. I've seen documentation of how 290 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: he helped to try to come to an understanding where 291 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: it came from. He was open mind, that is true, 292 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: but he also said things that really affected the practice 293 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: of medicine and other people. So that bothered me. But 294 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: the part that bothered me even more was that there 295 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: were no good questions. The only good question was that 296 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: er doctor who laid out his story. But I came 297 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: away thinking, oh no, this is probably because all these 298 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: guys are encumbered with contributions from research organizations and pharma organs, 299 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: so they can't ask the real questions. And that was 300 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: the most troubling part for me. We really need to 301 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: understand what happened. I am not in favor of it 302 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: being a criminal of all this you know, Nuremberg talk, 303 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: because then we'll never find anything out. People will just 304 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: go into their camps and hide, and they'll defend themselves 305 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: to the death because they should. I want to know 306 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: what happened. I want to know what we got to 307 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: do to prevent this from happening again. And that's all 308 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: that really. 309 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: Matters, and any which medically because you think of medicine 310 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: and doctors and scientists. And when Fauci was like, I 311 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: am science, I represent. 312 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: Science, it's not good. 313 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: And then he will literally say in the next breath, 314 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: I don't know where social distancing came from. It just appeared. 315 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: And what a silly thing to say, you know where 316 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: it came from, obviously, I So I made. 317 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: It my business. I do a show, a streaming show 318 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: on Tuesday Wednesday Thursday at three o'clock on Mumble and 319 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: other YouTube called Ask Doctor Drew, and early on I 320 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: started interviewing people who had been canceled because they all 321 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: were like consummate professionals people. I admired that why are 322 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: they canceling those guys? Right? They must got to understand 323 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: what happened there. In every single one of them, I 324 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: learned it least one profound insight and one a guy 325 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: named Paul Alexander was there when the six foot distancing 326 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: thing came in, and he objected to it and questioned 327 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: it and tried to understand. Took talk to the CDC 328 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: leaders and his input was they felt they they knew 329 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: it was probably thirty to sixty feet that they should 330 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: be maintaining and they needed to do something. Now, needing 331 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: to do something, in quotes, is the most dangerous thing 332 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: you can ever hear from medical provider. When my residence, 333 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: when I was training, residents would say, when I asked 334 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: them to defend a choice they made and they said 335 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: I needed to do something, I would destroy them. That 336 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: is how you harm patients, That's how you do it. 337 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: So needing to do something is an egregious statement. And 338 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: B he also told me this was really interesting. He 339 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: only recently told me this. That the middle level management 340 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: at the CDC, the bureaucrats, the lifelong bureaucrats, decided that 341 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: they were going to make sure this happened, and the 342 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: leadership be damned, and they were the ones that forced it. 343 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: And the leadership of the CDC could not handle the 344 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 2: middle and lower management who was demanding that they do 345 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: this based on no science. There was no science, There 346 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: never will be science. There is no such term as 347 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: social distancing. They sort of added it to lockdown language. 348 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 2: Six feet was invented out of thin air, and it 349 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: probably did well. It certainly did nothing except disrupt Again, 350 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: think about it, what you had to stand in the 351 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: corners of elevators, like, what is that going to do? 352 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: It has left such a scar on a generation and 353 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: so oh my god, and predictably and you look at 354 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: you look at what happened to our kids, and how 355 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: this it shut down businesses, it shut down school. So 356 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: it's like we kind of I'm not saying, I'm not 357 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 1: saying he laughed it off, but I agree. 358 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: What really I. 359 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: Felt was missing with him was the gravity of his 360 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: decision making. And I would love And again, I don't 361 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: want to see him strung up. I don't want to 362 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: see him out jail. No, but I would love for him. 363 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: And I know we'll never get this, but just say, hey, god, 364 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: we made some mistakes. It was such a traumatic, chaotic time. Yes, 365 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: we thought this was happening, but man, did we make 366 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: some mistakes. We got to learn from this. Like, that's 367 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: what I want my doctors and my scientists to say, 368 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. 369 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 2: And what keeps me up at night is that they 370 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: were able to do this to us and we haven't 371 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 2: put anything in place to prevent it from happening again. 372 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not what I want My doctor, especially my 373 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: lead doctor and scientists who's you know, the face of 374 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: our country in the face of medicine. That part, to 375 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: me is horrifying. 376 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 2: That was never his job. He was a research grant organizer, 377 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 2: he was he was a advisor. He was worked in 378 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: conjunction with the CDC who made recommendations to us. The 379 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: fact that the state governments took that is thus saith 380 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: the Lord. That's the disgusting part. That's where things went 381 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 2: off the rail. And the fact that they kept things closed. 382 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 2: I kept saying early on that we were sacrificing eight 383 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: to fifteen year old just sacrificing them and two years 384 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: of school closure in this county ridiculous. I want to transition, 385 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 2: if you don't mind, over to the Wellness Company, because 386 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 2: police is also a response to this. You know doctor 387 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: Kelly Victory, who's on our medical board also, and she's 388 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 2: been a friend of mine for quite some time. She 389 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 2: said something the other day that really rung true for me. 390 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: She goes, you know, we are helping people get access 391 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 2: to these emergency kids and travel kids that fulled with 392 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: antibiotics and medication. I mean things I give to my 393 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: patients when they travel, for instance, or I have on 394 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: hand here for my family and she said, you know, 395 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 2: five years ago the idea of giving people access to 396 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 2: this the way we're doing it with board, with a 397 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: manual and with telehealth support and backup. She's I'm not 398 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 2: sure I would have signed up. I might even have 399 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: thought it was crazy to do this. She goes, but now, 400 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: given what they've done, is crazy not to do this. 401 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 2: You have to be ready. And so that's how we 402 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 2: framed our TWC philosophy, which is, we give you access 403 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 2: to be ready, be prepared, have access, and by the way, 404 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: in a cost effective way, so you don't have to 405 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: run to would urgent care pick twelve hundred dollars, You 406 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: can do it with us very inexpensively. And well we 407 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: do it. Well. 408 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: I have my emergency kit. 409 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 2: I go and when you travel, look at that travel kit. 410 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: I wish I'd come up with this idea, because you know, 411 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: for again, I was shooting the show for twenty years 412 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: and I had a doctor, and I would he would 413 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: say the same thing. Look, you're going to Asia, You're 414 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: going to be over at these in these places. Yeah, 415 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: I would. I would always travel with zpak. I had antibiotics. 416 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: I traveled with stuff for my stomach. He's like, immediately. 417 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: And so it's funny I had one of these I 418 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: traveled with just because there's no way, you know, I'm 419 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: stuck in Thailand or Vietnam, right And so I love 420 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: that you guys are doing this, and I have the 421 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: I have an emergency kit from you guys in my 422 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: house right now. 423 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: Good and and I think of it. You know, even 424 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 2: if you're going to Spain or France, them you don't 425 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 2: know navigate the system. But I started thinking, even our 426 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 2: system is so encumbered with nonsense, you can't you can't 427 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 2: navigate it either. And so it's really it is a 428 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 2: sign of the time that a group of well meaning, 429 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: well trained physician have gotten to go to do this, 430 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: and it is a great medical word. People really put 431 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: some thought into this. So take a look at it. 432 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: Well and a matter of you know, because sometimes even 433 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: if you're well to do and living in America, it 434 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: can take two or three days before you can jump 435 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: on something. If you could have started taking a z 436 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: pak immediately, you'd be done well. 437 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: And I do think, like you know, they're making a 438 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: big deal of this bird flu, which is their three 439 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: cases now, two conjunctividis, one was respiratory. This means to 440 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 2: me that they're monkying with the virus and they're fearful 441 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: it's getting out in the community. So we added tam 442 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 2: flu to one of our kits, which has so owned 443 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: some activity. The idea with all viruses is early and 444 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: hard because it's the sequella of the viral infection that 445 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: really creates the havoc on our system. Well, Chris is 446 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: great to talk to you, really. 447 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: Doctor Drew Man. Again, I could do this forever. By 448 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: the way, this interview was brought to you by the 449 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: Wellness Company. You can visit them online at urgentcarekit dot com. 450 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: By the way, go to slash Chris to get your 451 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: kit today because you get fifteen percent off. Again, you 452 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: can get fifty percent off your kit today at urgentcarekit 453 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: dot com slash Chris and use promo code Chris and 454 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: you can check out everything they have to offer. 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So much. 466 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: Well, let's let's not wait so long. I would love 467 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: to get back together again and chatters about so many 468 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: other things. Do my best to Corolla and it's great 469 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: to see you again, my friend. To Chris, thanks so much, 470 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most 471 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: dramatic pod ever, and make sure to write us a 472 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you 473 00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: next time.