1 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Plan on paying less for the coverage you need with 3 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: Farm Bureau Health Plans. Get a quote today at fb 4 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: HP dot com with coach Dave McGinnis and Rhett Bryant. 5 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: I'm Mike Keith at the twenty twenty four NFL Scouting Combine, 6 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined by Daniel Jeremiah from NFL Network. Welcome. 7 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: How many have you come to? No, Mike, I have 8 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: no idea answer. 9 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: Coach Max has been to all of them. 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: You've been every single one, coach everyone, Holy moly, Yeah, 11 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: how many? 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: Is that? Well? 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 3: Since what's start here at eighty seven? Yeah, what's this 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four? 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: It's a lot of math for somebody went to a 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: thirty eight. 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 3: Thirty eight, Mike, Mike Keith is a numbers guy. 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: All right. 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: That's incredible. 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah in your latest mock and you love mock draft. 21 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 4: My favorite love them especially before free agency. That's that's 22 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 4: the good side, and that's what I'm gonna ask you about. 23 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 4: That's my first question because I'm going to play that game. 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 4: You have the Titans taking Olaf Shatu, talented offensive tackle, 25 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 4: potentially left tackle from Penn State. That's where you have 26 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 4: them at number seven right now. If free agency puts 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 4: them in a situation where the Titans do not feel 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 4: that they need to take an offensive tackle at number seven, 29 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 4: who would you put in the mock for the Tennessee Titans, 30 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 4: knowing what you know, having seen them last year. 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: I would love, I would love, love love for one 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: of the three white outs to be there, to throw 33 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: one of those three whiteouts into the mix. I don't 34 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: think that. I think they're going to be gone. So 35 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: if I take the white Outs out of the mix, gosh, 36 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: and let's. 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: Hit those real quick. 38 00:01:59,640 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 39 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: And you're talking about Marvin Harrison junie correct. You're talking 40 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: about Malik Neighbors from LSU correct, and Roma Dunzada from Washington. 41 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: So you think all three of those players will be 42 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: gone in the first six picks. 43 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 2: I think we could go three quarterbacks, three receivers. That's 44 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: how the draft could start. I would say A Donsay 45 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: is my favorite player in the whole draft, So for Harrison, 46 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: he's I have Harrison one spot over at Dunsay on 47 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: my list. I don't need that smoke. I don't need 48 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: that fight. I'm not trying to create that fight. I 49 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 2: love Harrison, I gave him the same grade. But he's 50 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: my favorite player in terms of who I watched, and 51 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: just I enjoyed watching this kid play and compete. The 52 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: fact that he can play any of the spots, the 53 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: fact that in terms of combat catches, he is better 54 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: than Harrison at that, and the numbers will spell it 55 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: out like he'll go up and get it in crowds. 56 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: He's got polished to him. He's, you know, one of 57 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: the little things. It sounds, it sounds silly, but I 58 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: still I pay attention to this stuff. How were you 59 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: on this coach? But I see a wide receiver who's 60 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: got a chance to go make millions of dollars in 61 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: the NFL, and he catches the ball near the sideline 62 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: and he turns his shoulders up the field and go 63 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: goes and gets five more yards and doesn't just step 64 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: out of bounds. 65 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 3: You know, the first what that kid does, well, the 66 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 3: first thing that I do when I'm doing film and 67 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: I see that, all I do is put a check and. 68 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: Say, ball player, yep, one hundred percent. 69 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 3: He's playing ball. 70 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: That's how That's how he is. And everything I get 71 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 2: really on. I haven't got the background as much on 72 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: neighbors as I have on the other two. But with 73 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior and with a Doonza like that, work 74 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 2: ethics stuff's off the charts. The intelligence is off the charts. 75 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: The one quick Marvin Harrison story I can tell you this, No, 76 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it's worthless because you're never gonna see him 77 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: unless you play against him. But will They had their 78 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: they had their bowl game, and they were in the 79 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: playoffs the year before. So they're at the hotel and 80 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: I'm talking to one of the guys at Ohio State 81 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: and I said, hey, you know, tell me about the receiver. 82 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: And uh so we start and I was asking about 83 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: somebody else, but then he started talking about Marvin Harrison 84 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: Smith and Jigma who was asking him. And then he 85 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: starts telling me about Marvin Harrison. And I'm like that, 86 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: I'm asking about the other day, but go ahead, finish 87 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: your story. He goes, Yeah, he had to install a 88 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: jugs machine on the roof of the hotel so that 89 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: he could go upstairs and get two hundred extra balls 90 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: every night when they were preparing the week of the 91 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: of the playoff game that they had against Georgia. 92 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: That's real stuff. 93 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, Holy moly, yeah, like this is all ball. 94 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: So that anyways, those two receivers are unbelievable, and Neighbors 95 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 2: is as dynamic and explosive as you're gonna get. 96 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: So you don't know what the Titans would do. 97 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: I think, Look, I probably would say I might probably 98 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: lean you get corner edge rusher. I probably would lean 99 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: towards the edge rusher. I'd say Dallas Turner maybe in 100 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: that mix from Alabama. 101 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could see him going number seven. 102 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: That wouldn't shock me. 103 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 5: No, Okay, Daniel. Is that one of the main reasons why? 104 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 5: Because I always look forward to your top fifty when 105 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 5: it drops, and we saw the first one we were 106 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 5: in Mobile at the Senior Bowl. Your two point zero 107 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 5: version has dropped this week. You now have eleven receivers 108 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 5: in your top fifty. Is that one of the reasons why? 109 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 6: It is? 110 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 5: Because there's gonna be an early run on some of 111 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 5: those guys. 112 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: It's just a boatload of them. I mean, it's been 113 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 2: that way the last few years, and I don't know 114 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: that it's ever gonna change. We're just gonna continue to 115 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: get whiteouts every single year, every high school seven on seven, 116 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: every college is running spread four wide. I mean it's 117 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: just that that's what the game has given us. And 118 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: so we're getting more skilled receivers each and every year. 119 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: And you know, last year was a unique year with 120 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: the tight ends. It was the best tight end draft 121 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: I have ever been a part of. And all those 122 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: guys are near All of them played well and and 123 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 2: and and did things. You're gonna have these anomaly years 124 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: where you get certain positions. Wide receivers are gonna be 125 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: good every single year, and this is just the next one. 126 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 5: It's a follow up. I want to go to the 127 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 5: tackles for a second, because you've got Joe Alt listed 128 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 5: I think ahead of this guy, but Tallyfuaga, they're tackled 129 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 5: from Oregon State from Uh, it's just he's your second guy. 130 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 5: You've been high on this guy for a while. What 131 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 5: is it about tally fu Waga that that that kind 132 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 5: of shows up for you on film? 133 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just got this weird thing. I like big, strong, tough, 134 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: physical guys who don't get beat. So maybe it's just 135 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: me on that one coach. 136 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. 137 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm on an island on that one. But yeah, 138 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's just who he is. 139 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 6: He doesn't. 140 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just still waiting for the game where 141 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: he gives up something. He doesn't give up anything. Now 142 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: he's playing on the right side. That's fine, playing it 143 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: right tackle. 144 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 6: He's a just. 145 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: Plug and play, ready to go. Now when you watch him, 146 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 2: I never had any concerns about his length when I 147 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: watched him. Normally you see a guy that has shorter arms, 148 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: it shows up. He doesn't have thirty four inch arms. 149 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: He's thinking, he's like, maybe he's right at thirty three 150 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: or just under thirty three, but it's not. You know, 151 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 2: you'd want a little bit longer player. But I never 152 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: saw it as an issue when I watch him. He's 153 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: got meat hooks for hands, so and once he gets 154 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: hands on you, it's over. I just I like the 155 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: way they play up there too. That coach a good coach. 156 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: He's went to Michigan State, Dad, Yeah, Jonathan Smith, he 157 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 2: is a good football coach. Yes, sir, that's not I've 158 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: been up but you've been up in Corvallis. You know 159 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: that is not an easy place to go win. And 160 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: he did a nice job up there, and they built 161 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: a real toughness in that culture, and that kid was 162 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: a poster child for it. 163 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: So if the Titans get to seven and want to tackle, 164 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: knowing their situation that that person would be playing next 165 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: to Peter Scornsky, which one does Daniel Jeremiah pick for 166 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: the Titans? 167 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I would still take Alt first. You know, 168 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: Alt to me is just parking it in that fair way, Like, 169 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: I just don't see how you really miss on that one. 170 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: Now you can say, you know, chasing upside. I mean, 171 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: he's not Laromie ton Soul. He's not, you know, one 172 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: of these elite, elite movers like that. But he's so 173 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: dang big, and he's so long, and he's technically sound 174 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: like he just doesn't get beat. He's I mean, he's 175 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: a lot better than McGlinchey and mcglinchy's hung on this 176 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: league for for a long time, but just coming out 177 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: of that same school. So to me, I think he's 178 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: the safe one. I just take him. 179 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: Well, I mean to me, and I've heard him compared 180 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: to and then talking with people around here, that he 181 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: might be the Peter Skearnsky of tackles. Interesting, you know, 182 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: because you know Peter Skeoronsky was a really and he 183 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: is a really solid technique. 184 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: Dude. 185 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that to me is old. Yeah, yeah, undred percent. 186 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: Then you start separating those guys down. Listen to the 187 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: tackles just for a minute, I think, and you tell 188 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 3: me this, Daniel, and all the years that I've been 189 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: doing this, left tackle and right tackle, now they're forming 190 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 3: more towards the dance because people are putting those rushers 191 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: over there on the right side. On the right side 192 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: of the offense. Now used to be the way it was. 193 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: I mean, your closed side, you know, that was where 194 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: you due, but the open side was the left side. 195 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: Now that's not the same thing. So I think we're 196 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: seeing those kind of morphed together. 197 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: Do you agree with that one hundred percent? It used 198 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: to be I mean we used to have a different 199 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: stack on the draft board exactly, which was like we 200 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: had Orlando Brown at right tackle and we had Jonathan 201 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: Ogden at left tackle. So it was like you had, 202 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: you know, those was the different types of guys, and 203 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 2: we're like, Okay, we need a rugged run blocking right 204 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: tackle and we can help him with the tight end 205 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: or a back if we need to, and pass protection. 206 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 2: Those days are over when you see Khalil Mack and TJ. 207 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: Watt and all these guys coming off that side, you 208 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: better have somebody that can protect over there well. 209 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 3: And defense is now moving people around so much more 210 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: than they used to because the game is spread out anyway, 211 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 3: I'm glad to hear you say that. 212 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's no, there's no difference. You better have 213 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: two good ones. 214 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 5: And speaking of offensive lineman, Daniel Day, is there a 215 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 5: chance that we see interior and I mean centers, Yeah, 216 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 5: go in Night one because at Jackson Powers Johnson, I 217 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 5: noticed he jumped six spots up from Oregon. We saw 218 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 5: him at Senior Bowltressive. Yes, Zach Fraser, who's got an 219 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 5: incredible wrestling background, had an injury at the last play 220 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 5: of his season there from West Virginia. But there's a 221 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 5: chance there's a run on centers in the bottom of 222 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 5: this draft. 223 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 2: Which sounds weird, right, it's a run on centers, But 224 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: you know, normally, normally the normally the top of the 225 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: second round is like your interior offensive line. That's the 226 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: portion where we see those guys all go. I just 227 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: think in this draft there's there's a need around the league, 228 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: and I think those three guys kind of separate themselves 229 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 2: from from everybody else. So I don't know. Ozzie used 230 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: to always say, Ozzie always say in the first round, 231 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: we just want doubles. We don't want to strike out, 232 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: So I let other people chase home runs. We're gonna 233 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: hit doubles. And some of those doubles ended up being 234 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: Ed Reed and Ray Lewis and Todd Heap and all 235 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: those guys who at the time were not thought of 236 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: these like high high, you know, ceiling guys maybe you know, 237 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: may not fast enough, not big enough. And He's like, 238 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: these are football players. These are dead, dead middle players 239 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 2: that you you're not gonna miss on. And I think 240 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 2: those centers are in that category for me. Where look, 241 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: if I put it on my draft resume, I just 242 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: drafted a starting center for the next ten years. Like 243 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: that's a good that's a heck of a first round pick, 244 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: especially when you're talking about towards the back of the 245 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 2: first round. 246 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: How big a run in the first round on quarterbacks 247 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: could we see. 248 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: I think there's a chance that we see four and ten, 249 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: you know, which is unusual see that many. But I 250 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: definitely think that's in play, you know, free agency is 251 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: gonna tell us, you know, where do these quarterbacks go? 252 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: Are these quarterbacks gonna go to the teams in the back? 253 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: Are they gonna go to the teams in the front, 254 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: like the Atlanta Falcons get a quarterback, then then we're 255 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: not going to see more than likely we won't see 256 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: four quarterbacks go in the top ten. But if Atlanta 257 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: punts on on Kirk Cousins or some you know, trading 258 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: for Justin fields and then that needs staring them right 259 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: in the face, then I think we're looking at four 260 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: going in the top ten. 261 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: Who makes sense to trade for Justin Fields? 262 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 2: I've said New England, you know, to me, I think 263 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 2: he makes sense there. Defensive head coach usually a coach 264 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: you know this. He wants to play great defense. He 265 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: wants to they are you have a really good defense. 266 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: We're gonna run the football and we're gonna have an 267 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: athletic quarterback who can make four or five plays a game. 268 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: They have a formula that's in place there that could 269 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: work with Justin fields, and you ad on top of that, 270 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: now you can auction off the third pick and get 271 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 2: a boltload of picks, because I think you can get 272 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 2: fields for the thirty fourth pick, So now you can 273 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: then trade back off of three for you know, if 274 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: it's the Giants, the Falcons, whoever wants to come up 275 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: and take the third quarterback. And now I've got justin fields, 276 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: I've got a good defense, and now I've got a 277 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: bunch of picks where I can fill in the rest 278 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: of the needs. I can we jump to defense real quick, 279 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 2: real quick. 280 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: Separate. Let's separate these corners pretty quick, because yeah, I 281 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: think this is a good corner. 282 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good group, good, good group. 283 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: Separate Cooper de Jean, Terry and Arnold and Nate Wiggins. 284 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah to me, I would go Terryan Arnold first. Yeah 285 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: to me, he's the most complete. He's got the fluidity 286 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 2: and the ball skills and production, toughness, all that stuff. 287 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: Hadn't played the position that long either. It was a safety, 288 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 2: got a basketball scholarship to go to Alabama. Like, this 289 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: kid's a freaky athlete, so he would be number one 290 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: from me in that group, I probably would have Wiggins 291 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: to Wiggins is as physically gifted as anybody. He's going 292 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 2: to be tall, long, fast, fluid coach. He hung on 293 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 2: blocks too much for me. That bothered me a little bit. 294 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: I just want to see a little more feistiness from 295 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: him in that sense. I was told it happened it 296 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: got better later in the year, which I hadn't had 297 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 2: a chance to see the late tape on him and 298 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: the Cooper Degene is a five position guy. He can 299 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: play anywhere in the back end. So to me, it's, 300 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: you know, kind of what you're looking for a little 301 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: bit with that except for Arnold. Arnold would be clearly 302 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: for me in my opinion, he's the top guy. 303 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: There you go, Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network. 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So Titans fans 312 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: can fan Rett, Brian, well done, Coach David McGinnis for 313 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: me with us, and we are pleased to be joined 314 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: by ESPN Draft analyst Jordan Reed. Welcome to the twenty 315 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: twenty four NFL Combine and the OTP. Glad you're here. 316 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 6: Oh, I'm glad to be here. I can't believe it's 317 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 6: been three hundred and sixty five days since I've seen 318 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 6: you guys, Tom flies right. 319 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: It certainly does. All right. We had Daniel Jeremiah on 320 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: before the break and we were talking about corners. His 321 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: top corner is Terry and Arnold from Alabama. Yeah, do 322 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: you agree? 323 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 6: I do. I think Tirian is a very very good player. 324 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 6: He's actually somebody that came to Alabama as a safety 325 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 6: and then he transitioned to corner his last year at Alabama. 326 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 6: Very very fluid hips, really good ball skills, have five 327 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 6: interceptions last year. But everybody you talked to at Alabama 328 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 6: who's just been around Tirian is just the smarts that 329 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 6: he plays the game with. And it makes sense just 330 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 6: because he's seen the game from the back end as 331 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 6: a safety, he spent time as a nickel and then 332 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 6: also he spent time on the outside too. So very 333 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 6: smart player, very athletic. I think he's gonna be a 334 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 6: big time tester inside. Lucas Oil Stateium this week two. 335 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 5: Jordan, Let's let's talk about a guy that we saw 336 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 5: a few weeks ago at the Senior Bowl in Mobile 337 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 5: that is rocketing up the charts in Toledo, cornerback quin 338 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 5: Yon Mitchell. 339 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: He's really he. 340 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 5: Has a chance to really make some more money for 341 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 5: himself this week. 342 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 6: Literally, yeah, he does. I think he was the best 343 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 6: player in Mobile, and that's something that you always want 344 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 6: to see from those group of five players. How do 345 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 6: they adjust to the Alabamas, to the Georgia's, to those 346 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 6: SEC and ACC Big ten, Big twelve schools. And if 347 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 6: he was to put on an Alabama helmet, you wouldn't 348 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 6: have been able to tell the difference. That's how good 349 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 6: he was at the Senior Bowl. And what you love 350 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 6: to see from those type of players is that you 351 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 6: want them to build momentum throughout the year. He was 352 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 6: very good against Illinois and those outside of those group 353 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 6: of five players, how do they play in what I 354 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 6: call those up games when they're playing against that upper 355 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 6: level type of competition. He passed that test in Illinois. 356 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 6: But as the draft process goes along, he just continues 357 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 6: to check boxes and it would surprise me if he 358 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 6: ends up running a four to three, which would help 359 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 6: his stock tremendously. 360 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about some more corners here. Just let's 361 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 3: just let's go rapid fire on those guys. Kamari Laser 362 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: from Georgia. 363 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 6: I'm a big fan. Probably the best tackling corner of 364 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 6: any cornerback in this draft class. The forty time is 365 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 6: going to be crucial for him though. Scouts want to 366 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 6: see just how fast he is. 367 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: TJ. Tampa from Iowa State. 368 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 6: Big corner, six foot two, about two hundred pounds, really 369 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 6: good hips. He's more so of a zone corner. I 370 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 6: think that's the scheme that he fits best. 371 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: Caitln King from Penn State. 372 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 6: So he's one that's been a little bit disappointing during 373 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 6: the pre draft process. One of the players that took 374 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 6: advantage of the underclassman rule with him playing in the 375 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 6: Senior Bowl. And I understand why he ended up playing 376 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 6: in it, but I thought he was a little disappointing 377 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 6: at the Senior Bowl. But he has an opportunity to 378 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 6: redeem himself at the combine. 379 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: Good stuff right there. Of everybody we've discussed at a corner, 380 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: if the Titans choose to go corner in the second 381 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: round at number thirty eight. Who do you think. I 382 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: think it's the best of those players, or maybe another 383 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: that could be available. 384 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, we just talked about one. I thought TJ. Tample 385 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 6: definitely could be an option. I think he fits their 386 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 6: scheme really really well. Innos Rechstraw Junior is one that 387 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 6: I think they're gonna like quite a bit. 388 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: Now. 389 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 6: I don't know if he's gonna be available at thirty eight, 390 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 6: but as far as their scheme and what Ran Carthon 391 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 6: has looked for for defensive backs in the past, I 392 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 6: definitely think he's another that could check some boxes. 393 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: All right, I gotta ask about kool Aid McKinstry. Yeah, 394 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: all right. So when all of the stuff was out 395 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: in the fall from various people talk about he may 396 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: be the first corner in the draft taken. Now most 397 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: people have him in the second round. 398 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 6: Yeah. 399 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: What's happened to the Alabama product? 400 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 6: Nothing? Nothing, Nothing has happened. I think his tape is 401 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 6: really good. But what has happened is Tirian Arnold is 402 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 6: now the Beauty and the Beauty pageant now, so kool 403 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 6: Aid is now being overshadowed by Tirian Arnold, So nothing 404 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 6: has really changed about kool Aid. I thought the tape 405 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 6: was really good, but now this player opposite of him 406 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 6: is getting so much it's love now to where kool 407 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 6: Aid is kind of like that forgotten child in the corner. 408 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 6: Now that's still very good. So I think kool Aid 409 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 6: is still very good. I still have a first round 410 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 6: grade on kool Aid, So if he does end up 411 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 6: going in the second round, it would definitely be a 412 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 6: surprise to me. But back end of the first round, 413 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 6: I definitely think that's where he ends up going. 414 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: Could he be a Roger McCrary type pick. Yeah, for 415 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: the Titans. Roger McCreary's turned out to be a very 416 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: good player at the corner position that they got in 417 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: round two. Maybe the same kind of value. 418 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so. I think a dream scenario for 419 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 6: the Titans is you go offensive line at seven, whether 420 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 6: it's a Joe Alt of Notre Dame, Olu Fashionu from 421 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 6: Penn State, if a kool Aid McKinstry or somebody like 422 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 6: that is there in the back end of the first round, 423 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 6: I would get tempted to trade up if I was 424 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 6: Ran Carthon, just because they need so much help on 425 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 6: the back end. So if you come out of that 426 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 6: first round double dipping in the first round with the 427 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 6: offensive lineman and then getting somebody like kool Aid McKinstry, 428 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 6: I think that would be a home run for them. 429 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 5: You mentioned offensive line for a second, and I'm gonna 430 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 5: stay with the defense in this and you'll understand my 431 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 5: kind of how I setting this up. Alton for Shanu 432 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 5: Alt seems to be the more polished for Shanhu, the 433 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 5: more athletic upside. It's that kind of the way. The 434 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 5: same thing is being said and seen. In terms of 435 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 5: the pass rushers, Jared Verse is kind of the lead guy, 436 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 5: but Chop Robinson is maybe the upside guy. 437 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, you're exactly right. I think Jared Versus probably the 438 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 6: most versatile of those top three guys with Dallas Turner 439 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 6: and Leatsu Latsu of UCLA. Versus, I mean, the best 440 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 6: way that I can put his hands are stronger than 441 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 6: a heavyweight boxer, like you see him jolting those offensive 442 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 6: tackles back. He's a really good run defender. He came 443 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 6: on late down the backstretch of the year, had six 444 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 6: and a half sacks during the final five games of 445 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 6: the year, just because he was facing double teams and 446 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 6: there were some schemes on that offense were really scheming 447 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 6: towards him. So his production was a little bit down 448 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 6: during the beginning parts of the year, but he has 449 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 6: that versatility that you love to see. And then Chop Robinson, 450 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 6: he's just so explosive, like he's gonna put up some 451 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 6: freaky numbers if he does end up doing everything, like 452 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 6: he's gonna run high for three, low, four, four, and 453 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 6: Penn State has he's freaks every year. But Chop, he 454 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 6: has a ways to go as a run defender, just 455 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 6: because they list him at two fifty on Penn State's website, 456 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 6: but I would be shocked if he's two hundred and 457 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 6: fifty pounds, So he needs to gain some weight in 458 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 6: his lower half. But as far as pass rush upside, 459 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 6: he's probably the most explosive one in this group. 460 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 3: Let's stay on the edge a little bit here, Jordan. 461 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: Let's go with Darius Robinson from Missouri. Yeah, I think 462 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 3: kind of caught everybody's eye down there in Mobile. Let's 463 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: talk about him. 464 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, a very, very versatile player. And I'm on the 465 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 6: field in Mobile and I'm actually standing beside him and 466 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 6: I'm just looking up at him, like, man, this dude 467 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 6: looks really really good. One of those first guys you 468 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 6: want to get. You want to see him come off 469 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 6: the bus first if you're the visiting team. But very versatile. 470 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 6: He can play anything from a zero all the way 471 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 6: out to a five technique. They actually reduce him inside 472 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 6: in those late down situations just because he has such 473 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 6: pass rush upside and he's ready to go right now 474 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 6: day one as a rookie. I think he can be 475 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 6: a starter for you, and we've just seen him blossom 476 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 6: throughout the pre draft process. The Senior Bowl was just 477 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 6: the beginning of where I think is a stock is 478 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 6: really going to skyrocket. So middle the back end of 479 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 6: the the first round, I definitely think that's where he 480 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 6: ends up being picked. 481 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 3: Another guy that's kind of in that pod for me, 482 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 3: just you know, starting it at this point. Jonah Ellis 483 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: from Utah. 484 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, another exciting pass rusher. It kind of had like 485 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 6: fourth round grades coming into the year, but the sack 486 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 6: production went up. Another one that's just such a polished 487 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 6: pass rusher. His numbers were phenomenal last year, So I 488 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 6: think second to third round, I think that's where he 489 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 6: ends up going, but another that could be a big tester. 490 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 5: Let's go off ball linebackers, and I think the medicals 491 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 5: is gonna be a big deal for this guy. But 492 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 5: Peyton Wilson from NC State, I want to eat where 493 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 5: you because he's certainly in that conversation. And then there's 494 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 5: a local young man from Ravenwood High School in Nashville, 495 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 5: Junior Colson, the three year starter from one of the 496 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 5: million players that Michigan is here this week. But both 497 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 5: interesting stories, but Peyton's is his is the medical to 498 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 5: start with? 499 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: Right. 500 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, So I live in Charlotte and I've went to 501 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 6: plenty of NC State games throughout the season, so I've 502 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 6: seen Peyton play a ton And the best way that 503 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 6: I put it to everybody, it's like, this dude has 504 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 6: a GPS tracker on the football. When he out there 505 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 6: on the field, his instincts, his ability to step down, 506 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 6: key read and diagnose where the ball is going and 507 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 6: run defense is phenomenal. He's really good in pass coverage 508 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 6: and then he adds terrific value as a blitzer as well. 509 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 6: He had seventeen and a half sack or excuse me, 510 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 6: seventeen and a half tackles for loss last year which 511 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 6: led the acc So the medical is going to be 512 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 6: a big piece for him. But I have a second 513 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 6: round grade on Peyton Wilson. Now there's still a ways 514 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 6: to go with the medicals. He had a couple season 515 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 6: ending injuries with his knee surgery, so medicals are going 516 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 6: to be a big piece. But if we're strictly grading 517 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 6: the product on the field, I think he's a second 518 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 6: round player all day long. 519 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 3: Let's stay in North Carolina. Cedric Gray that I thought 520 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: did a nice coverage. 521 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he's one of the most underrated players, 522 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 6: not just linebackers but in general. And he actually was 523 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 6: an athlete when he first got to North Carolina. They 524 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 6: didn't know if he was going to play safety or 525 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 6: a wide receiver and they ended up playing him at linebacker. 526 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 6: But you just see the instincts in the diagnos ability 527 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 6: to step down as a run defender. But the pass 528 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 6: coverage that's where he really excels. And he's a little 529 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 6: bit undersized at about six ye to two thirty, but 530 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 6: that's where the game is going. With these off ball linebackers, 531 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 6: you have to be able to play on passing downs 532 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 6: and I definitely think that's where Cedric Grade is going 533 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 6: to excel. 534 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 5: Let's go to Dan Lineman because there's a nice crop 535 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 5: of these guys in this draft process. And a guy 536 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 5: that we got a chance to talk to who really 537 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 5: made a good impression and certainly made an impression in 538 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 5: the AEC Championship game is Braydon Fist from Florida State. 539 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 5: Might not be the biggest or longest prospect, but he's 540 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 5: got a motor right. 541 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was there. I experienced the ACC title game 542 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 6: up close, three and a half tackles for lost, two sacks. 543 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 6: He was everywhere. I thought number fifty five was the 544 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 6: best player on the field that day, and that includes 545 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 6: Jerry Verse. He is a little bit of an older prospect, 546 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 6: so he's going to be a twenty five year old rookie. 547 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 6: But once again, like we talked about with Quinny Mitchell, 548 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 6: how do these group of five players adjust when they 549 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 6: play the upper level competition. Him coming from Western Michigan 550 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 6: to Florida State, the speed of the game did not 551 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 6: affect him at all, and he's continued to check boxes 552 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 6: every single step of the process. Now, he's not going 553 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 6: to be a huge tester by any stretch of the imagination. 554 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 6: But he's one of those just trust what you see 555 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 6: on tape players. He's being disruptive, he's very long, he 556 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 6: has really good intangibles as well, So I think he's 557 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 6: one of those players that's probably gonna end up going 558 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 6: late second, early third, if I had to guess right now. 559 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 6: But that second tier of defensive lineman behind Jerizon Newton 560 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 6: and also Byron Murphy, the second of Texas, I think 561 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 6: Braden Fisk is in that pot of players. 562 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 5: And that was the guy who's going to next was 563 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 5: Byron Murphy because that's a guy I think may put 564 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 5: up some crazy numbers this week here in Indianapolis, and 565 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 5: he is gonna be one of the freaks of this group. 566 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 6: I would think, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you're gonna see 567 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 6: some absolutely freaky numbers with him. And you know, it's 568 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 6: unfortunate that Newton is not participating just at surgery in January, 569 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 6: so this is a prom opportunity for Murphy to really 570 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 6: solidify being that first interior defensive lineman off of the board. 571 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 6: So you're gonna see some big time numbers from him. 572 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: Jordan, the Titans have a one and a two No. 573 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: Three because of the Will Levis trade a year ago, 574 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: and then they are chock full of picks on Day three. 575 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: Position groups one or two, maybe three that you think 576 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: I think could produce enough players that there could be 577 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: really good value on Day three with those late picks. 578 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 6: Well, me, personally, I would love to see them double 579 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 6: dip at offensive line. You'd tay Kajoe alder Olu Fashionu 580 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 6: at seven, and then you double dip and come back 581 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 6: for somebody on Day three. I think offensive tackle could 582 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 6: be an area of need. Interior offensive line looking to 583 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 6: solidify that wide receiver could be another area of where 584 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 6: they look to add, especially looking for another weapon for 585 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 6: Will Levis on tight end could be an area of 586 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 6: need for them. And then also cornerback if they don't 587 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 6: get one in the first of the second round. I 588 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 6: really like the depth of this cornerback group. 589 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: All right, final question. Every year, every general manager says, oh, 590 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: I'd love to trade back. Trading back would be fabuous. 591 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,959 Speaker 1: My first option would be trading back, and so we 592 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: will throw out on the OTP and other places that 593 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: we do radio. Well, the Titans would like to trade back, 594 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: all right, So the Titans pick seventh. As we sit 595 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: here at the NFL scouting combine two months away from 596 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: the well, they have a shot logistically and logically to 597 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: get a good enough offer to potentially deal back from 598 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: seven based on the type of players that could be 599 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: available to make someone want to go up. 600 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so. I think it all depends on 601 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 6: that third quarterback falling, whether it's Drake may or Jayden Daniels. 602 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 6: But also with JJ McCarthy, is somebody gonna fall in 603 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 6: love with him to trade up ahead of Atlanta with 604 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 6: them sitting at eight and right now need a quarterback help, 605 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 6: we still have free agency to go depending on what 606 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 6: they do with that. But if somebody falls in love 607 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 6: with that third quarterback, if they fall or JJ McCarthy 608 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 6: to trade up, the Titans could be in a situation 609 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 6: ahead of Atlanta to where they could trade. 610 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: Back and maybe get that third round pick back could 611 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: recoup it. Good stuff. Jordan Reed, thank you so much. 612 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 6: Absolutely, thank you guys as always for. 613 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: Jordan, for coach, Dave McGinnis and Ret Brian, I might 614 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: Keith thanking you for joining us from Indianapolis and the 615 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: O T. 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