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Speaker 2: Man, we are underway.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody?

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Speaker 4: And welcome to the Action Network Podcast presented by Fandel

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Speaker 4: I am your host Chris Raybond. This is your NFC

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three schedule release podcast, helping me break it

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Speaker 4: down as always the Prime Minister of Degenerate Nations, Stucky stuck.

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Speaker 1: How you feeling, brother.

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Speaker 2: Good man, It's nice to talk to you again. Talk

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Speaker 2: to Friday now Monday. Uh that means, you know, I

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Speaker 2: think we're like one hundred and twenty days away or something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's less than that. Yeah, we're less

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Speaker 4: in that now. But yeah it's coming so.

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Speaker 2: But still still time to enjoy the summers. And but uh,

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Speaker 2: it's it's nice to have a little break, but it's

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Speaker 2: always nice to talk NFL and uh, before we know it,

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Speaker 2: the grind will be here. So it's good to just

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Speaker 2: kind of connect on where we stand after the schedules.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't, I know I teased this last episode,

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Speaker 2: but NFC episode is already outs outside. We'll talk NFC

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Speaker 2: today and then if you missed before then you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're just out of your routine. Raybond and Freeman

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Speaker 2: did a draft recap draft recap episodes, and then Raybond

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Speaker 2: and I did free draft reviews talking about some division

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Speaker 2: long shots. We'll touch on some of that again to

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Speaker 2: that when we talk NC but always nice to talk NFL.

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Speaker 4: Yeah there, And I think the NFC is pretty interesting

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Speaker 4: because there's a couple of divisions. I think that that

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Speaker 4: But let's start with the NFC East, which could could

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Speaker 4: a pretty good draft. I think the schedule starts relativeatively

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Speaker 1: The Patriots, which is the Matt Patricia Boll.

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Speaker 4: Then the Vikings at home, at Tampa Bay, Washington at home,

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Speaker 4: and at the Rams, so they have five winnable games

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that they were going to be over

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Speaker 2: I mean, I project their wind total is like eleven

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Speaker 4: You know, like the Eagles still look great. I think

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Speaker 2: But I'm right on, right on. My numbers are spot

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Speaker 4: in Detroit as I do in taking one of these

435
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Speaker 4: teams like Green Bay or Chicago. And it's Minnesota that

436
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 4: I really want to fade, you know, in one way

437
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 4: or another, because I mean this team, you talk I mean,

438
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 4: they went thirteen and four. You know, their their pytagonon

439
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 4: wins was eight eight point four because they had a

440
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 4: negative point differential. Their DVAIX estimated wins was six point three.

441
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 4: They were twenty six overall, below average everything offense, defense,

442
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Speaker 4: special teams. If you adjust, they have their luckiest team

443
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 4: in history of the NFL. They had eleven one score wins,

444
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 4: literally an NFL record eleven and one and one score games.

445
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 4: You adjust that to six and six, which is always

446
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 4: what you expect in one score games, and they're eight

447
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 4: and nine teams. So every metric that wasn't their win

448
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 4: actual win loss record, like every predictive underlying metric says

449
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Speaker 4: this team.

450
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Speaker 1: Was below average.

451
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Speaker 4: I don't think they got better, you know, I know

452
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 4: they signed Davenport, but they lose Tomless and and then

453
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 4: they trade Smith. The offense has kind of been it didn't,

454
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Speaker 4: you know, even though O'Connell's an office guy, didn't really

455
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 4: it wasn't more efficient last year. It was just you know,

456
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 4: Jefferson doing Jefferson things. But Cousins kind of regress in

457
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 4: terms of efficiency. So like, I'm at the point now

458
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 4: where it's more about just I'm trying to find ways

459
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Speaker 4: to save Minnesota early in the I still think they're

460
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Speaker 4: a little bit overvalued, and I like all these other

461
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Speaker 4: teams to kind of exceed expectations, but there's not as

462
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Speaker 4: much value in the division because I think Detroit is

463
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Speaker 4: actually a pretty viable favorite.

464
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I still like the Packers. I mean I'm lower.

465
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Speaker 2: I agree on the vikings, so I'm lower than the

466
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Speaker 2: market on the vikings, not as much as like I

467
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 2: would we would have been like ten years ago because

468
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: everyone knew was kind of fault. But their win total

469
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: with accounting for juices like eight to six. I project

470
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 2: them in eight wins on the dot. They have a

471
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Speaker 2: middle of the pack schedule, like I think I have

472
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Speaker 2: them at the seventeenth part of schedule, whereas I have

473
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Speaker 2: the Packers with his third easiest, the Bears with the

474
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Speaker 2: fifth easiest, Lions tenth easiest. The thing, I you know,

475
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Speaker 2: with the with the Bears, I still think the Bears

476
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Speaker 2: are one season away. I like some of the moves

477
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 2: they're doing. I still have questions about the offensive line.

478
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: I still question about the secondary of the defensive line.

479
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 2: People are making too much about like linebackers. Like linebackers

480
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 2: are not that important like that was like that was

481
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 2: their big their biggest moves, and it's like, uh, let

482
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 2: Poles cook. It's like, all right, he got rid of

483
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: one linebacker and he brought in two more for the

484
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Speaker 2: same price. But they're not gonna make that much of

485
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Speaker 2: an impact that I still questions about the corner cornerback position,

486
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Speaker 2: and I don't know if fields can. They are so

487
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 2: reliant on field's legs and their defense is bad. And

488
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 2: we saw this last year, like Kenny stay healthy across

489
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: a whole a whole schedule and because if not, they

490
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 2: don't lose their backup p J. Walker, Like it's it

491
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 2: gets bad quick. Peterman is Peterman' still there. We're gonna

492
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Speaker 2: just get like you don't know, starting the game again. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And So I actually I do show a little bit

494
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Speaker 2: of value in the Bears. Their schedule is really favorable.

495
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Speaker 2: But because I'm lower on the Vikings, I'm a little

496
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: lower in the lines, I'm a little low in the Bears.

497
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: I by default, I'm also higher than the market on

498
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Speaker 2: Green Bay. And when I look at their schedule, it's

499
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Speaker 2: going to come down to Jordan Love right, and like

500
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: that's it's a quarterback league. We don't. There's a lot

501
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: of uncertainty there, which is why I'd like instead of

502
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 2: going like the wind total over there, they have the lowest,

503
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: the best odds at the high starts to win the division. Yeah,

504
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: long the longest side.

505
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Speaker 3: I like.

506
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Speaker 2: That's why I like the upside there because of the

507
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: uncertainty with with Love, right, and I would I would

508
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: rather the distribution of results I think are wider for

509
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: the Packers compared to the Bears if you remove injury risk.

510
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: We kind of know what we saw fields flashes, potential.

511
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: We know who Cousins is, and we know who GoF

512
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: is quarterback league. We don't really know what Love is.

513
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: I think that he was learning under Rogers that the

514
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: the small snippets that we saw. I kind of liked

515
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: some of the things that I saw, But we're still guessing, right,

516
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: It's we have a very tiny sample size. But when

517
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: I look at the schedule, you have an inexperienced quarterback,

518
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 2: and weeks one through nine for the Packers, that's the

519
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 2: easiest stretch before you know you're that case you're you're

520
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 2: home against case you have the Lions on the road.

521
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: But let me take that back. Weeks one through nine

522
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 2: are there easy stretch by far, which is what you

523
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: want with an inexperienced quarterback, Maybe build some confidence, win

524
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: some winnable games, because then you know you're starting Week ten,

525
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: you're at the Steelers home against the Chargers, at the

526
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: Lions at home against the Chiefs, at the Giants on

527
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 2: a short week, you know, or they're coming off extended rest.

528
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: So that's a tough, tough stretch. So if it goes

529
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 2: south early, then it's going to get really ugly for

530
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: the Packers. But with an inexperienced quarterback, I like how

531
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: the schedule sets up with a lot of their winnable

532
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 2: games early on, have an early buy to kind of reset,

533
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 2: look at some things before the schedule gets tougher. So yeah,

534
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: it's also a manageable road schedule, like you look at

535
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: here's the road schedule outside of the Division. At Atlanta,

536
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: at the Raiders, at Denver, after a bye, at Pittsburgh,

537
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: at the Giants, at the Panthers. You know, like all

538
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 2: those games, if love is okay, are winnable. I think

539
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: I still like the offensive line, I like the potential

540
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: wide receiver. The defense still has a lot of potential.

541
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 2: I do wish they kind of shook it up from

542
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: a coordinator perspective, But yeah, I think that there's there's

543
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: value in the Packers to win the division due to

544
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: the and I'd rather go there than even though I

545
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: show value in the wind total because of the uncertainty

546
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: with Love. I like how the schedule sets up even

547
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: that Chiefs game, like if love is okay, Like you

548
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: want to talk about a brutal spot in the Chiefs schedule.

549
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: After here's the Chiefs. They go to London, and they

550
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 2: go to Denver and Altitude after the Chargers game, then

551
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 2: they go to London, play Miami. They get their bye,

552
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: and then it's Super Bowl rematch against the Eagles on

553
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: the road for the Raiders in Vegas. And then before

554
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: a home game against the Bills, they're going up to

555
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: Lambeau and the Packers have I believe ten days before

556
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: that game they play on a Thursday before. That's a

557
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: tough spot, like just Situationally, if Love's okay, could be

558
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: a game where the Chiefs slip up on the road.

559
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: So I don't mind the schedule. I'm gonna take a

560
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: shot on the Packers to win the division.

561
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't mind it. I don't mind it.

562
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 4: Because I think what will happen is I think as

563
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: the season draws near, I think all those the teams

564
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 4: behind the lines, I think their odds will even out

565
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 4: a little bit in terms of the division. So I

566
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 4: think their odds are only the Packers eyes are only

567
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 4: going to get shorter because I do think it's kind

568
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: of jumbled up in air. And yeah, I mean they

569
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 4: you know, I don't like Barry either. And they did

570
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: finish ninth in past defense DVAA, so I mean their

571
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 4: run defense was just horrible thirty first. I feel like

572
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 4: that's been an issue at times for them. But you know,

573
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 4: if you can stop the pass, that's still that's still

574
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 4: what you need to do. I thought the one thing

575
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 4: about the Vikings that you know, the one thing I

576
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 4: think I do like about the Vikings is they they

577
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 4: got rid of Donate a defensive coordinator, and they got

578
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 4: Brian Flores. Now, I don't you know, there's deeper issues

579
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 4: on the Vikings than just that needing to change the

580
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator. But I mean it's if anything's got to

581
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 4: be better than Donatow because those schemes are just so

582
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 4: like you just new teams are going to go off

583
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: on them when they played them, it was it wasn't

584
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 4: even close.

585
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: So I think the defense still has holes for sure,

586
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: major holes. But from a just from a coordinator perspective,

587
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: I'll give them a little bump just for the schematic

588
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: upgrade that I'm anticipating, and we'll see if Flores can

589
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: work some magic, because that will certainly do wonders for

590
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: Minnesota if they could, uh, you know, just kind of

591
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: patch up and hide some of the roster deficiencies with

592
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: some a schematic bump with bringing the floors. I did

593
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: like that move along.

594
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but overall, I mean I'm still down on Minnesota

595
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 4: because again, they were pretty much a slightly below average

596
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 4: team last year.

597
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: They got super lucky.

598
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 4: They didn't really get better or changed, like get better

599
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: on the roster because they're kind of cap strapped, which

600
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 4: is one of the reasons they traded Smith. And so

601
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 4: you're really relying on, you know, some guys like Evans

602
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 4: and Boo some of those corners to take a step forward.

603
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: You know, you still got you got hoes.

604
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 4: At pretty much almost every level except you know, maybe

605
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 4: linebacker's not an issue, but yeah, it could that defense

606
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 4: if Frauds doesn't have talent I mean it's still gonna

607
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 4: it's it could still be a problem.

608
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: So still down in Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's go to the NFC South, and you

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Speaker 4: know the Saints are the favorite. I don't think the

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00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,720
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00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 4: I could see if you're super high on Bryce Young,

640
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,760
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641
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,360
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642
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,320
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645
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Speaker 1: It's the weak division. There's a real decent chance.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's not an upgrade this year on

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Speaker 4: he's gone to a new offense, It's been his four

650
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 4: worse seasons in terms of almost every efficiency metric. He's

651
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 4: never had a winning season in one of those seasons.

652
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 4: And you know, we saw this last year going to

653
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 4: you know, just staying on the Raiders and going to

654
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: a new offense.

655
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't pretty.

656
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 4: And that was with Davonte Adams, you know, throwing to

657
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 4: him one hundred and sixty times. So you know, I

658
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 4: don't know if that's a short thing. Given how you know,

659
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 4: Dalton was pretty solid, you know, I think I think

660
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 4: they lost some guys in their defense. They lost they

661
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 4: lost a defensive coach to the Falcons. Dennis Allen has

662
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: a His winning percentage for his career is twenty eight percent.

663
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: Never exceeded his win total. So I just I don't

664
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: trust the Saints team as a front runner. So kind

665
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 4: of by default, I like the Falcons. But what do

666
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: you think of the Saints?

667
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, not super high on the Saints. I do have

668
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: them projected as the favorite. I haven't projected their win totals,

669
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: like sitting at nine point three counting produced, I'm really

670
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: close to ten because their schedule is based on my numbers.

671
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: Is the easiest projected strength to schedule I've ever had

672
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: in my conquessions. But right behind there is the Falcons.

673
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 2: And if you just go by your winning percentage from

674
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: last year opponent winning percentage, which is a very flawed

675
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: way to do it, but it's been, it's the easiest

676
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: strength of schedule since twenty eighteen. And the other thing

677
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: I like about the Falcons is goodbye week. Chances that

678
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: all their games fall on Sundays, so you get like

679
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: into a nice rhythm. They don't have a bye after London,

680
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: but that's one of their road games, so you get

681
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: the Jags on a neutral instead of on the road.

682
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: Six of their first eight games are against it experienced

683
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: quarterbacks for their first six are at home, with one

684
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: game at neutral Pably, you could also see the Cardinals

685
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: will pre marry it's week ten. That'll be iffy before

686
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: the Cardinals by They face the Saints twice after their

687
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 2: bye week, which I think the Falcons have more potential

688
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: to get better as the year goes on, so I

689
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: actually like that for their division. Last year, I projected

690
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: them as dogs of more than a touchdown in nine games.

691
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: This year, zero have them favored an eight. Love them

692
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: for the division. I still hate that they didn't. I

693
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: wish they would have gotten like a major edge rusher.

694
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: But the last two years they've had twenty one and

695
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: seventeen sacks, like embarrassing, and then you know, ninety one

696
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: and last year one hundred and five pressures. But they

697
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: went out. They got Klass Campbell consistent, he's getting there,

698
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: he's getting older, you know, on Ymada Goldman, they stall

699
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: Grady Jarrett, Lorenzo Carter, like all these guys, Bud Duprey,

700
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: you know, like they have.

701
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: Enough guys like together pass rush.

702
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they take all those guys together. They're new.

703
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: So last year they had twenty one sacks and ninety pressures.

704
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: So you take everyone on their roster now and look

705
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: at their numbers. Last year, they would have thirty eight sacks,

706
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: which matches their total the last two years combined and

707
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty six pressures almost doubles their amount

708
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: of pressures that are on the roster. Now. It's flawed

709
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: in some way just for playing time, but they have

710
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: enough too, And I like their second the potential of

711
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: their secondary. I think they have enough there to find

712
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: something because doesn't really matter how good your secondary is.

713
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: The NFL. If you just have zero yes rush.

714
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 4: And let me speak to that, because this is an

715
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 4: underrated reason why I like the Falcons. So they go

716
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 4: out and they get this guy, defensive coordinator, Ryan Nielsen.

717
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 4: Now probably nobody's heard of him, first time defensive coordinator.

718
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 4: This is the guy who was coaching the Saints defensive

719
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 4: line for like the like over the last half decade,

720
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: and then he got promoted to like assistant head coach.

721
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: I think one year he was like assistant de see

722
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: as well.

723
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 4: But he's like, why do we respected for having you know,

724
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 4: the Saints I think have like the second most sacks

725
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 4: over the last way whatever his tenure was, And like

726
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 4: he's wide, We're like renowned around the league for developing

727
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 4: defensive lines, and this is like, you know, we talk

728
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 4: about this every year with the Falcons. It's like they

729
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 4: put nobody around Jarrett, and like this is the first

730
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 4: year where I'm just looking at their roster and the

731
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 4: moves they made and I can actually see like an

732
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 4: emphasis on that.

733
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: So like there's a chance.

734
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: That this, you know, it's not just the talent they

735
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: brought in, but the fact that it's just deean piece

736
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 4: is gone.

737
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: Remember he was like a you know, late seventies.

738
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 4: You know, I think the game unfortunately kind of passed

739
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 4: them by a little ye these last two years. So

740
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 4: this is this in a winnable division like this, where

741
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 4: the Falcons already had the best offense last year.

742
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: That was Mariota started.

743
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 4: Fifteen games, Kyle Piss missed the last six seven games

744
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 4: of the year.

745
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: They still had the best offense in the division. Tom

746
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: Brady played every game.

747
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 4: You know, I know teams had injuries, but like overcoming

748
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 4: Marcus Mariota and missing your best receiver for the most

749
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 4: exposive receiver for the seven games, that's still pretty impressive. So, like,

750
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about their office. I think their offense

751
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 4: gets even better with Robinson. The line is still good.

752
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 4: I think they still have two met quarterbacks. But it's

753
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: you know, it's not It's not gonna be worse than

754
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: last year, I think. So, Yeah, I really like the Falcons.

755
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 4: I think I think the Saints are just a little bit.

756
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 4: I think the Saints are overrated. I think the Saints

757
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: they're just kind of in this spot because yeah, like

758
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 4: you said, they their schedule is going to be easy

759
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 4: on paper. But like I said, Dennis Allen has always

760
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 4: underperform expectations in a variety of ways, like he's bad

761
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 4: as a favorite, he's bad as a dog, he's bad

762
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 4: and the win total department, you know, and it's the

763
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 4: Saints team besides that, like they just were, they're kind

764
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: of middling, and cars always had problems in his first

765
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 4: year the new spot or with a new in a

766
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 4: new offense. So I think I think one way or another,

767
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 4: I still want to fade the Saints. I know you

768
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 4: got the win so at ten, but I'm not I'm

769
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 4: not a buyer in the Saints at all.

770
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with.

771
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: You on Falcons for the division. One of my favorite

772
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: division bets. Like just yeah, it's all it is numbers

773
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: because on paper, and if you look this half of

774
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: the Saints schedule could be first time starters playing first

775
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: time starters at quarterback. I mean they are for the

776
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: four their first six or on the road. But look

777
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: at look look at their first six weeks home against Tennessee.

778
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: Could they technically have Levis Maybe I don't know, because

779
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: they could have. They could have a rookie quarterback starting

780
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: it's first game, which is always a disaster. At the Panthers,

781
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: is their next game. Rook could have a rookie quarterback

782
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 2: at the Packers, could have a first time starter home

783
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: against the Bucks. It could be a first time starter,

784
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: could be Baker Mayfield. At the Patriots you get Mac Joe,

785
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: who knows, maybe it's not Mac Jones. Then at the

786
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: Texans you get a rookie quarterback. And then you're at

787
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 2: the Jags. Then if you look at their and then

788
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: they're at the Colts, could be a rookie quarterback. If

789
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: you look at all their road games, like there is

790
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 2: not a single, Like so from a numbers protective you

791
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: can see I'll have them close to ten, like they're

792
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: not a single. They're like their road schedule on paper

793
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: is a joke and they could face like nine nine

794
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: first time or rookie quarterbacks. But yeah, I'm not rushing

795
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: to buy the same. You know, I only have them

796
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: favored by more than a touchdown, for example, in one

797
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: game home against the Bucks. So it's not like they're

798
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: like all these games they're gonna beating eleven point face.

799
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 4: It's kind of a thing with New Warreans, just like

800
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 4: it's like one of those deals where it's like their

801
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 4: schedule looks good, on paper, now it was not the

802
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 4: Colts last year, but like they they also like a

803
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: lot of the teams you mentioned, like for example, like

804
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 4: to play Della's advocate, Like we like Tennessee.

805
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: You know, you like Green Bay a lot, you know,

806
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: like Tampa Bay.

807
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: I mean their roster outside of the courtman, if they

808
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 4: get the quarterbacks figured out, it's you know, it's it's

809
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 4: like a lot of these teams. That's like we could

810
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 4: look at it and say the Saints have an easy schedule,

811
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 4: but in reality, I'm like higher on a lot of

812
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 4: the teams they play and lower on them. So I'm

813
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 4: almost looking at it, well, like a lot of these

814
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: teams have, like the Saints on their schedule is not.

815
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: An intimidating home game either, you know what I mean?

816
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: And like, listen, man, like I just.

817
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: The Colts last year, new quarterback Matt Ryan, new veteran quarterback.

818
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: The schedule comes in as like the easiest.

819
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 4: It's hard to do that in year one, Like it's

820
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: hard to just have that guy come in like the Rams.

821
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: Did it, but not everybody can do that.

822
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Carolina was intriguing to me. I didn't love

823
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: their off season. I think the I think the Falcons

824
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: have just a little bit more potential, and I believe

825
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: you can get a little better price.

826
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 4: Yep, well no, they're kind of they flipped off that

827
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 4: believe the Let's see Fando has the Falcon. Now, the

828
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 4: Falcons are in second for the division at plus two

829
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 4: sixty and the Panthers are plus three fifty, which I

830
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: think is is fair. I think the Falcons should be

831
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the Falcons are right there with

832
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 4: the Saints, honestly, like I have them rated a lot

833
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 4: more similarly than most probably of the market does so.

834
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Panthers are plus three fifty.

835
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. That. The Bucks I'm not I

836
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: mean it's Baker Mayfield. I'm not a believer and it's

837
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 2: an aging ross there. I'm not a believer in the Bucks. Yeah,

838
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: I mean Carolina. I also don't love I have it

839
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: on paper again, they're in the NFC in this division.

840
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: I have them with the third easiest schedule, the Falcons

841
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 2: with the second the same it's with the first Bucks

842
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: with like the sixth. I don't like hel And look,

843
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: I'm a huge I'm actually a Bryce young believer and buyer,

844
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: although I'm also a believer that no one really knows.

845
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: Our quarterbacks are gonna pan out, but so but the

846
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: rookie quarterbacks, they're hard to trust in their first year,

847
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 2: just as a black and statement look against the spread

848
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: wind totals regardless. And we don't even know if he's

849
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: going to start right off the bat. I think he will,

850
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: but we'll see he's right and OTAs he's not number two,

851
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: but it's not a given. But it's hard to trust

852
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: rookie quarterbacks right away. And I don't I don't love

853
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: how their schedule played out. You got two short weeks.

854
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: They're both before road games, you know, at Seattle and

855
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: at Chicago on a Thursday and a Sunday. Their bye

856
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: week is you know, semi early, and it's kind of

857
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: wasted before a home game against the Texans. Three straight

858
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: road games later in the season. Yeah, and by the way,

859
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: that bye before the Texas, the Texans are off also

860
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: off of Buy don't really the schedule. Can't really trust

861
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: the rookie quarterback. I know desnt Ridard didn't look good

862
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: last year, but he's got a full season of reps.

863
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: And it's really like a rush based offense, and it's

864
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: it's hard I'm not a deser ridder guy, but they

865
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: don'tly ask him to do a lot, and we see

866
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 2: a lot of quarterbacks from year one to year two

867
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 2: that he can expect someone improvement. He's got all off season,

868
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: so we'll see how he doesn't. There's there's other options

869
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: there if he just completely flops, but it's not like

870
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: they're going to be asking him to do a ton

871
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: and Tampa I and I just can't trust their quarterback either.

872
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: So they got a first place schedule and lost Tom

873
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: Brady six of eight on the road at one point,

874
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 2: culminating in a cold weather trip to Green Bay in December.

875
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: Not an easy stretch for that team. So yeah, I

876
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: think it's all about the Falcons. I agree with you.

877
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: A Falcons Division for me, Yeah.

878
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 4: Like they're I think they're I think they're another team

879
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 4: that like, I don't think it's I think Detroit is

880
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 4: ahead of them because I think Goff has already shown

881
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 4: that he can with the right stuff pieces around him,

882
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: you know, perform at you know.

883
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: At a very high level efficiency wise.

884
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: He's even got into a super Bowl, whereas these guys

885
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 4: not gonna happen with Ritter or Heinikey for that matter.

886
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 4: But yeah, in this division, they could, they could do it.

887
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 4: Pants would still be my second choice. You know, there's

888
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 4: still some upside with Bryce Young everro should be a

889
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 4: should be a good defensive coordinator, even though that defense,

890
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 4: you know, could kind of go either way. Uh, you know,

891
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 4: the talent is okay, some guys.

892
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: Have down years. We'll see the line.

893
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that could kind of go

894
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 4: either way with the Pants, like and I yeah, like

895
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 4: the thing about their off season was they made a

896
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 4: lot of changes, but a lot of the changes they

897
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: didn't really get better. Like a lot of them were

898
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 4: just lateral moves and then and then you just bring

899
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 4: it in a whole new stuff, and you know, it

900
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: could take a while in Carolina.

901
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, with her with all those changes with a

902
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: rookie Quarterback's right, an easy ask. I actually show value

903
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: on the Bucks on the Tampa under and I might.

904
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: I might end up playing it, but we'll see. I'll

905
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: do my win total piece.

906
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a bit early for win totals because they're

907
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 4: just like normal bets. So it's yeah, no real for

908
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 4: that long, right, right, But yeah, I mean I think

909
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 4: the Bucks are kind of a wait, and see for me,

910
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 4: because like the roster, you know, I mean, they obviously

911
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 4: had terrible injury luck last year, which I think and

912
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 4: I think, you know the position they had injury luck at.

913
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 4: You know that the offensive line combined with Brady's age,

914
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 4: I mean that that offense was just it was just

915
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 4: bad at times.

916
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: And you know, on defense they had injury.

917
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 4: I think like there's there is some upside here, But

918
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 4: it's like what are they going to do at quarterback

919
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 4: because there's some type of some type of you know,

920
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 4: is anything going to emergence? Is just gonna be Baker.

921
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 4: They also got the guy who one of the coaches

922
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 4: who was credited with turning Geno around, So there's always

923
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 4: a chance Baker is like back to serviceable Baker. Maybe

924
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't have high hopes, but I mean,

925
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 4: so as possible. He did have some okay years when

926
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 4: he wasn't just flat out terrible like he was last year.

927
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 4: So I think Tampa was still a wait and see

928
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 4: for me, Like they have enough talent around them in

929
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 4: this division to where you know, if they were still

930
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: in last you know, with the longest odds, and you know,

931
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 4: we're hearing better things about Mayfield or the offense. You know,

932
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 4: I might be interested in in sniffing around there just

933
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 4: because I think you know, they're going to kind of

934
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 4: be slept on. You know, no one's really giving them

935
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: any any love. But this is a very winnable division,

936
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 4: I think.

937
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: NFC West, so we got the Niners, Yeah, what what

938
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: what would you anticipate? So, like the question, one of

939
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 2: the major questions is with the And by the way,

940
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: I mentioned some of the teams that I think, I

941
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: think the Bears had a really good schedule. They don't

942
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: play anyone off of a bye two teams. Washington also does.

943
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: And by the way, Washington also has about close to

944
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: two weeks. They have the fifth most rest advantage over

945
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: the past twenty one years. Or the Commanders, if you're

946
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: looking for a reason to like them, that they the

947
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: schedule makers I think did them a ton of favors

948
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: as well from a pure rest perspective, not the case

949
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: of the NFC West. The Rams and the forty nine

950
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: ers play four teams off of a bye. Now, from

951
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: a numbers perspective of you, if you just run it out,

952
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: it's like worth you know, half buys lo worth like

953
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: a half a point so it's worth like point one

954
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: five wins over the course of the year if you

955
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: play four teams coming off of a bye, compared to

956
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: a team that played zero, which is Arizona. Arizona doesn't play.

957
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: That's the only good thing I could say about Arizona.

958
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: We don't know when Mary's going to come back, which

959
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 2: is a huge thing I would think for first of all,

960
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: the start with Arizona. I think that this is a

961
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: lost year for them. Their defense could be historically that

962
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if they trade some of their pieces.

963
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 2: This is a full tank mode again in long term rebuild.

964
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: They could have the first two picks in the draft

965
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: next year. I don't have them favored in any games.

966
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: The roster's bad. I think this is a throwaway year,

967
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: which means like I don't think that they're going to

968
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: rush Mary back, whether Mary's their franchise quarterback or they

969
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 2: trade them. Like, I think that he comes back maybe

970
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: week fifteen after the bye for the last four weeks,

971
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 2: you know, maybe if they're in it, like if there's

972
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 2: five and one or something, he would come back earlier.

973
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: But I don't think there's any reason to rush him back.

974
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: I think that they're like not you know, indirect tank mode.

975
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: I think they're the worst team in the NFL. But

976
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: they have the best schedule just from a you know

977
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: how everything broke. We'll start with San Francisco. They have

978
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 2: another quarterback. That's why this division is tough. When's Mary

979
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: coming back? And then when is party coming back? If

980
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: it's not him Lance, And what do we think of Lance?

981
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: So this quarterback on certainty.

982
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: Thereby Darnold, I mean from what I'm hearing, but.

983
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kobe Darnold too. So there's a lot of quarterback

984
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: on certainty throughout this division. New coordinators, new coaches. Everyone

985
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: kind of accept Seattle. But San Fran has four could

986
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 2: play four teams coming off of by Cleveland, Cincy, Jacksonville

987
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: and then Arizona late who could have Merry back for

988
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 2: Week fifteen, Like you don't get a break there. They

989
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: also play Seattle at home in Week fourteen when Seattle

990
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: is off of there's in that game with ten days before.

991
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: So like from a rest perspective, san Fran got shafted.

992
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: They also have two straight games on the road to

993
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: start the year. When they do have those quarterback questions,

994
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: it's it's tough. They also they've had bad injury luck,

995
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: but that's been a theme for ten years. Yeah, like

996
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: average ten years. This is like something you could just

997
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: kind of anticipate. With San Francisco. I don't know what

998
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: the hell is going on there, but yeah, I think

999
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 2: quarterback on Saturday with San Francisco schedule is brutal. Rams

1000
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: also just a terrible roster overall.

1001
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: They defense, like also their entire defense except Aaron is It's.

1002
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: Why brendous, the Arizona and the Rams these are so bad.

1003
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 4: Like Arizona's defense is like Aaron Donald included, Arizona's defense

1004
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 4: right now is probably better than the Rams.

1005
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: Like that's how that's how.

1006
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 4: Like they literally did nothing in free agency lost I

1007
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 4: think like over half their starters, pretty much all of

1008
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 4: their starters except Donald, and replaced them with like Day

1009
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 4: three picks and undrafted free agents. Like their their defense

1010
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 4: could legit be bad.

1011
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: This yeah, and Rams like brutal start to the season,

1012
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: And like I said, they're one of two teams to

1013
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: get four teams off the bye, Steelers, Cowboys, Ravens, and

1014
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: Washington off of a bye. They start at Seattle home

1015
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: against San Frano. Maybe you get those quarterback questions there.

1016
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 2: Then you're at Sincy at Indy on a short week

1017
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 2: home against Philly like those first five weeks, your hardest game,

1018
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 2: I mean, your easiest game is at Indy and that's

1019
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: the second straight road game on a short week. You

1020
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: know you finished third in your division, and you get

1021
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: the Eagles, Bengals, Ravens, and Cowboys as part of your

1022
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: non divisional slate. Four trips out East, although I assume

1023
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: they'll stay out East for since the Indy back to back,

1024
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: but it's a brutal early season schedule, and then you

1025
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: got these four teams coming off bys. I don't like

1026
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: where the Rams are headed. From a pure numbers perspective,

1027
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: this isn't a really tough division for me to crack

1028
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: because of the quarterback uncertainty. I want to bet the

1029
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: Cardinals under it's super low though, and we don't know

1030
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: when Murray's coming back. I just think that they're in

1031
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 2: full tank and it wouldn't be surprised if they trade

1032
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 2: guys like Hopkins and Baker and anyone that's like worth

1033
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 2: a shit that I think they're just fully rebuilding. Gannon

1034
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: wants to just redo the culture. The it's just all

1035
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 2: fixing everything that Kingsbury was, the facilities, the culture, the schemes, everything,

1036
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: and then the draft picks, compile draft picks for next year.

1037
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: I show a little bit of value under in the rams.

1038
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: But you know, with the uncertainty when Mary's coming back

1039
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 2: with the doing a quarterback from just a pure like,

1040
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: I know what I'm going to get. It's like Seattle

1041
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: jumps out. They're one of like I think four or

1042
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: five teams it doesn't have a new coach, coordinator or

1043
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: a quarterback. Love what they did in the draft. They

1044
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: addressed some of their needs. Last year they got super

1045
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 2: They were the team that faced the most, They got

1046
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: the most quarter if you look from a e PA perspective,

1047
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: they faced the toughest schedule of opposing quarterbacks, and their

1048
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 2: secondary performed really well with some of the youth there.

1049
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: I love what they did in the draft. So is

1050
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: this Seattle? Is this from a just with all the uncertainty,

1051
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 2: it's tough, But is this a play on Seattle for

1052
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: the division?

1053
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1054
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 4: I played them already. I like Seattle because I think

1055
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 4: they stand out. You know, if San Francisco falters and

1056
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 4: San Francisco's actually never won the division.

1057
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: Back to back years, uh, in the Shanahan era.

1058
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 4: So I mean it's like you said, it's these injuries

1059
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 4: for San Francisco that tend to come in waves. And

1060
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 4: I already see San Francisco is a little vulnerable at spots.

1061
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 4: Like I know they you know, their skill positions are great,

1062
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 4: but I do have some questions about you know, can

1063
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 4: their line. Yeah, like interior wise, they you know those

1064
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 4: Banks and Burford and uh, you know Feliciano, that's kind

1065
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 4: of questionable.

1066
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: Williams is a year old.

1067
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 4: He he never plays a full season, and you know,

1068
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 4: you never know when you know, you know that that

1069
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 4: could start coming to because he's like been their anchor.

1070
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 4: He's been like one of the best linemen in the NFL.

1071
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 4: So you know, if he misses any significant time, I

1072
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 4: don't know if they're built to kind of overtake it.

1073
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 4: I didn't like what they did in the draft. They

1074
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 4: went with like where do they go like backup tight end?

1075
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 4: They had a kicker early. They they don't even picked

1076
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 4: till round three.

1077
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: Kicker.

1078
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like they got a lot of you know,

1079
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 4: this team is they have more downside than upside. I think,

1080
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 4: especially when you start, you know, when you start going

1081
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 4: from okay where they were last year and then you say, well, okay,

1082
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 4: they got you know Purties, like the guy who you

1083
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 4: know he was able to hold it down, you know,

1084
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 4: can will you get that out of Lance or Garnald

1085
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 4: of perty Est miss time, Like you're just like at

1086
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 4: some point it just you know, all this stuff is

1087
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 4: going to catch up to them, and I don't like.

1088
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: I just don't like how it started. Now.

1089
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: Like again, the skill positions are going to be really good,

1090
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 4: so you know, this might be a team just to fade,

1091
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 4: you know, against the spread or something like that, because

1092
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 4: I think they'll still be a little overvalue there. But yeah,

1093
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 4: I think Seattle is definitely the way to go. Seattle

1094
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 4: has a lot of ways that I think they can

1095
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 4: improve from last year. I mean, they got Bobby Agner,

1096
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 4: he's you know, he's been really good. That that should

1097
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 4: help their run. Dye the secondary. You know, they got

1098
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: Witherspoon at corner, so they could have a really strong secondary,

1099
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 4: pair him with Woolan.

1100
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: You got you got Adams coming back.

1101
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 4: He still got digs. Like I think the defense got better.

1102
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 4: I think I think the line should take a step forward.

1103
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 4: You know, they got those young tackles going in a

1104
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 4: year too, usually see improvement from them. It's like, yeah,

1105
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 4: it's just a really solid all around team, you know.

1106
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: You know, obviously if Gina were to go down, not ideal,

1107
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 4: you got Lock. I mean he started NFL games. Maybe

1108
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 4: it's not the worst things. This team is not really

1109
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 4: built around the quarterback. But yeah, overall, I see it's

1110
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 4: significant difference between the upside and the value on Seattle

1111
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 4: in pretty much any market, like even the win total.

1112
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't really like to bet win total

1113
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 4: as the story, but they're eight and a half.

1114
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: I have them over that, So.

1115
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like Seattle. I just I have a lot

1116
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 4: of respect for Sean McVay. Sounds like Stafford will be

1117
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 4: back and you know they'll have cut back and then

1118
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 4: they had a lot of injuries. But this defense for

1119
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 4: the Rams, like I can't put my like, I can't

1120
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 4: believe people aren't talking about this more like this Rams defense,

1121
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 4: I don't remember ever seeing a defense gutted like this

1122
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 4: in all my years watching the NFL, Like to where

1123
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 4: you lose essentially your entire starting unit and it's just

1124
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 4: all guys now that are like you know, they were

1125
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 4: backups or they were Day three picks, or they're undrafted

1126
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 4: guys that you're essentially going to count on, or like

1127
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 4: these special team types, like it could be really bad.

1128
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we also don't. Like it's how much confidence do

1129
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: we still have in Stafford? Like eventually he's gonna hit

1130
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: that like Matt Ryan Wall, it's a lot of a

1131
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 2: lot of miles on that arm and then a recent injury,

1132
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: so I mean if he takes if he's just not

1133
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 2: the same we saw it happen quickly with Matt like

1134
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 2: a guy like Matt Ryan. There's still questions on that

1135
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: offensive line as well, so who knows how quick you're

1136
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 2: down to Brett ripping or Stetson Bennett. But yeah, Carson Wentz,

1137
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: they're working him. So yeah, a lot of questions with

1138
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: the Rams. I agree. I think it's it's all about

1139
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: uh Seattle.

1140
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Arizona, Like I gotta see, I gotta let it

1141
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 4: go a little deeper because like I you know, they're

1142
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 4: at four and a half wins on the total, and

1143
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 4: I yeah, they're gonna be bad, but like some of it,

1144
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 4: like for example, like their defense to me looks better

1145
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: than the Ramses. You know, an offense, if you know

1146
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 4: who's gonna start for Murray Because like, if you don't

1147
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 4: trade Hopkins, you still got you know, Hopkins, Brown, More, Ertz,

1148
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 4: Connor like a pretty decent tackles. Like you know, we've

1149
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 4: seen cold McCoy win games for them in the past,

1150
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 4: so and they'll have a better coach in Cliff. It's like,

1151
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 4: I'm not ready to just go all in on on

1152
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 4: fading Arizona because like I actually think they might end

1153
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 4: up showing value on over if it's four and a half.

1154
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 2: Just know that they're they're gonna tank it, like indirectly

1155
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: in that like these pieces, like a guy like Ertz

1156
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 2: and Baker, like they're going to be moved at some point,

1157
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 2: and like that's one of the reasons what they did

1158
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: in the draft this year, and they just want to

1159
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: compile picks. They know this is a throwaway year. So

1160
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: I would be fearful of like, Okay, what does that

1161
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: mean for when Mary comes back? And then what does

1162
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: this mean for guys like Hopkins and do they even

1163
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 2: make it for the whole season? Because I would agree

1164
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: with you just on the surface then it seems too low.

1165
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 2: But this is a team that might just be completely

1166
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: okay from everything I heard it's like Gaton and the

1167
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: organization knows this year means nothing and it's all about

1168
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: the draft next year. And then especially when you have

1169
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 2: that Merry injury where he's not going to be ready

1170
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: for maybe half the year already. So that that would

1171
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: be my fear with Arizona going over because they might

1172
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: just end up all those key pieces, They might their

1173
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: detas might end up looking like the Rams, yeah at

1174
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: one point, and then they might just hold Mary out

1175
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: until after the buy and he's just playing in the

1176
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 2: last four weeks. So that would be my fear there.

1177
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 2: But I think as of right now, the most reliable

1178
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 2: team in the division is Seattle.

1179
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, if the more Arizona tanks, it

1180
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 4: just makes those two games easier for Seattle. But yeah,

1181
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 4: like right now, I got the Seattle Division over. I

1182
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 4: have them projected over their win total, if you know,

1183
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 4: I just not really and any urgent don't have really

1184
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 4: much urgency to bet win totals at this point of

1185
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 4: the year. But yeah, I think the Ram the Cardinals,

1186
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 4: I'm kind of in wait and see mode because I

1187
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 4: just don't I don't want to jump the gun, you know,

1188
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 4: if I do end up fading them because right now

1189
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 4: I actually would show value over for them.

1190
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: Uh.

1191
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 4: And then the Rams is the team I kind of want.

1192
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna end up fading, but you know, like

1193
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 4: you said, I want to see what's going to happen

1194
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 4: with the Cardinals. What's what's gonna happen with the Niners

1195
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: a little bit because that could factor in as well,

1196
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 4: because you know, if they get a couple of division wins,

1197
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 4: that kind of changes things. Yeah, but yeah, Seattle, Seattle

1198
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 4: or nothing.

1199
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,480
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