Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: back to All the Smoke, Jack Day three, Vegas. It's
Speaker 1: been going well, coming to you live from the Legend
Speaker 1: Suite inside the Wind Hotel. Shout out both them for
Speaker 1: taking care of us, take care of y'all. But Jack,
Speaker 1: we got a good one today. Man, our brother, one
Speaker 1: of my former coaches. Just a great dude and really
Speaker 1: excited for the opportunity he just has taken. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show, Darvin him. Appreciate the real is back. Congratulations
Speaker 1: obviously first and foremost, you know longer were due uh
Speaker 1: ten years as an assistant coach. Um when that Laker
Speaker 1: position became finalized, Like what do you think? Man? I
Speaker 1: was blown away. Man, it was really a great moment.
Speaker 1: I was so tired, just you know, my wife was
Speaker 1: with me and we ended up ironically staying the extra
Speaker 1: day in l A after our interview because I just like, Babe,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like getting out the bed. And what
Speaker 1: people don't understand not just that process, it's just what
Speaker 1: we've been through since March, you know, the COVID going
Speaker 1: into the bubble, having a quick turnaround after the bubble,
Speaker 1: winning the championship, having another quick turnaround and to try
Speaker 1: to defend that championship. And then I had, you know,
Speaker 1: as soon as we get eliminated by Boston game seven
Speaker 1: on the Sunday, we have our exit meetings on a Monday.
Speaker 1: I had tested positive for COVID on that Thursday. So
Speaker 1: at the you know, never had it throughout the whole
Speaker 1: process of it, you know, appearing on the scene within society,
Speaker 1: but you know, just going through all of that is
Speaker 1: just like three seasons melted into one, and you know,
Speaker 1: doing several interviews with different teams in between all that time.
Speaker 1: And you know, the process is like a team and
Speaker 1: reach out and say we want to interview, you know,
Speaker 1: to say Chicago, they called it. You want to you
Speaker 1: want to interview you that interview may not happen for
Speaker 1: it for two weeks and just put it on at
Speaker 1: some point. Yeah, they asked for permission, and then you
Speaker 1: wait for the date and then they give you a
Speaker 1: date maybe two weeks or that whole two weeks, you
Speaker 1: grinding trying to get your information together. Not only are
Speaker 1: you thinking about the team you're working for, but you're
Speaker 1: also thinking about the team that you're trying to take over,
Speaker 1: So you gotta be, you know, really familiar with what's
Speaker 1: going on there. So it's it's been, it's been. How
Speaker 1: many teams reached out to you a lot? The Lagos
Speaker 1: was my tenth interview interview with the league, So I mean,
Speaker 1: this is not just you know and in the present,
Speaker 1: it's just like through the course of me interviewing interview
Speaker 1: with a third of the league, and the Lakers were
Speaker 1: number ten and and and rightfully, so you know, Genie Robbed,
Speaker 1: they believed in me, and I'm wholeheartedly uh thrilled and
Speaker 1: humbled and ready for the task because that's the first team,
Speaker 1: you know, via Mike Brown, they gave me my starters
Speaker 1: and assistant coach. Let's go back there. I mean, that
Speaker 1: was my second with the Lakers. We had just Phil
Speaker 1: Jackson had just retired, Mike Brown came in and you
Speaker 1: you were on that staff. Um, what do you remember
Speaker 1: most about obviously beginning kind of your coaching journey. But
Speaker 1: you know, rest in peace, our brother Cob was on
Speaker 1: that team. We had a really solid team. What do
Speaker 1: you remember most about that experience? Man? Just just being
Speaker 1: surrounded by great basketball mind you know on that staff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously Mike Brown and head coach. Ye. Yeah, my MB
Speaker 1: is the best bro. You know when I first came
Speaker 1: in the league, Little sidebar in ninety six is undrafted
Speaker 1: rookie playing for Bernie bickerstaff. Mike Brown was the video
Speaker 1: coordinator in Denver nine, so he and I go way
Speaker 1: way back. Shout out to Mike, salute always. But just
Speaker 1: being surrounded by great basketball minds, because Matt, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you remember. It is like we had Mike, we had Chuck,
Speaker 1: we had John Houston, we also had Queen Snyder had
Speaker 1: a Rsina feel Handy that was his first NBA coaching job.
Speaker 1: Me and my Man Phield came in together, so it
Speaker 1: was it was a beautiful experience. And then obviously you
Speaker 1: mentioned it earlier, God rest his soul, but getting the
Speaker 1: coach code at that point at the plan against him
Speaker 1: for years. You know, his basketball knowledge, his i Q pile,
Speaker 1: you know all of those guys. I remember yourself, Steve Blake,
Speaker 1: Matta team man. Remember Meta when he elbow James Harden.
Speaker 1: He got some spender going into the playoffs and I
Speaker 1: had to do the one on one workout. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did all the one. I showed you a pitch after
Speaker 1: this over all the one on one. But de hmm,
Speaker 1: he said, have us do these motherfucking mad ball dunk workouts?
Speaker 1: Bro them shift for But but but I'll tell you I
Speaker 1: was bouncy as motherfucker though. But things are beast obviously
Speaker 1: being in this l a uh situation. You know, it's
Speaker 1: always so much more than basketball. You know, I also
Speaker 1: work for ESPN in the Lakers of the top of conversation,
Speaker 1: whether they're winning losing. Uh, So you know, obviously kind
Speaker 1: of preparing for having that thick skin and coming in that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how that seat although it's a it's
Speaker 1: a dream job, it's a Los Angeles Lakers, it probably
Speaker 1: be hottest seat in basketball. How do you kind of
Speaker 1: mentally wrap your head around about what you know, the
Speaker 1: firestorm that's about to come. I mean, in a situation
Speaker 1: like this one, man, I think it's it's important and
Speaker 1: this for everybody out there. Man, when you when you
Speaker 1: take on a new challenge, like I don't see it
Speaker 1: as pressure because I know myself, I know I solid
Speaker 1: iron like like I'm I'm I'm universally aligned with God
Speaker 1: first and foremost. I mean knowing how to show respect
Speaker 1: and a lot of people, but also knowing how to
Speaker 1: take a stance and not being afraid. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know who you are. You have all
Speaker 1: the confidence in the world when you're going into a
Speaker 1: situation of this magnitude. I'm thrilled, man. I'm I'm built
Speaker 1: for it. I'm ready for it. I know, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sort of an extroverted personality, but in the
Speaker 1: way I live my life, I'm really introverted. And so
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna find out about me. Find that
Speaker 1: out about me. You're not gonna see me, you know,
Speaker 1: at the hot spots and doing all that that nonsense.
Speaker 1: You know, I really like the grind. You know, I
Speaker 1: got everything I ever got it out of life. I
Speaker 1: got it out the mud and washed it off and
Speaker 1: turned it into a jewel. So that's not leaving me
Speaker 1: no time soon too. It's only gonna leave me when
Speaker 1: I leave Reserve. I mean lebron A d. Russ. Your
Speaker 1: big three is a big three. It took a lot
Speaker 1: of heat because Ad has been unhealthy and I think
Speaker 1: obviously we all know he's a big key to that.
Speaker 1: But talked about to me individually, Um, getting a chance
Speaker 1: to play against Lebron. Now a number of years later,
Speaker 1: you're getting an opportunity to coach him. What do you
Speaker 1: expect from him as a coach? Obviously he's great, one
Speaker 1: of the great this and he's got a great basketball mom.
Speaker 1: But what are you coming in looking for looking forward
Speaker 1: from Lebron? Just a collaboration, Like, like, I know where
Speaker 1: he is in his career, he's he's done everything possible
Speaker 1: it is to do as an individual basketball player, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know he's conquered everything. But again, we talk about sacrifice,
Speaker 1: and the first thing people think about is sacrifice and
Speaker 1: scoring out put a shot or something like that. No,
Speaker 1: sacrifice and making selfless plays. You know, if you don't
Speaker 1: have the ball pushing it in the break, are you
Speaker 1: willing to sprint to your spot and open up a
Speaker 1: lane for your teammate? Are you willing to sprint and
Speaker 1: open up an open shot for your team? Are you
Speaker 1: willing to box out even though you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: that damn rebound? But you're putting a body on a
Speaker 1: body so your man can come in and scoop it
Speaker 1: up and we can get going with our pace. So
Speaker 1: that's the thing I'm thinking about. And my hats off
Speaker 1: to him, seeing him when he first came in the
Speaker 1: league and all the pressure that was put a so
Speaker 1: called pressure that was put on him. He's he's risen
Speaker 1: to the occasion time and time again, and uh, he
Speaker 1: is wholeheartedly deserving, deserving to be in that goat conversation.
Speaker 1: He's top five that are alive in my opinion, And
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be able to coach him and gonna
Speaker 1: try to learn from him, Gonna try to show him
Speaker 1: what I see and uh, hold everybody accountable, because those
Speaker 1: are three words I stand on a live by just
Speaker 1: don't be even more so with this team competitiveness, togetherness
Speaker 1: and accountability. Same with Russ and a D Like I'm
Speaker 1: thrilled to coach Russ. They try to dump on Russ,
Speaker 1: and I'm like that was one of the things that
Speaker 1: got me excited about this job as well as Yeah,
Speaker 1: he and I've had a great, great report since I
Speaker 1: took taking over the job. Man just text messages, phone calls.
Speaker 1: Then it's like I I locked in, I coined his
Speaker 1: ass outside, I elevated it over at the Encore. So
Speaker 1: he and I had a great conversation then, so, um,
Speaker 1: you know, we all we all know what comes along
Speaker 1: with this business man, people doing your name and trade rumors.
Speaker 1: I've been at least ninety six. Man. I don't know
Speaker 1: anybody that's been on any team that hadn't had their
Speaker 1: name thrown in the trade room, en traded, been traded.
Speaker 1: Absolutely the same as a coach. You know, they'll be
Speaker 1: saying they're ready to fire me, and the media will
Speaker 1: be saying they're ready to fire me in the year
Speaker 1: year and a half. That's that's what's happening. Was but
Speaker 1: in in Milwaukee, and he worked around win the championship.
Speaker 1: And I'm standing that right by the side as lead assistant,
Speaker 1: watching watching him navigate that with nothing but grace, like
Speaker 1: every round. We don't know too okay, but see you,
Speaker 1: but we conquer that. We conquered this. We get to
Speaker 1: the conference finals Atlanta win the first game, told you
Speaker 1: this time, but to go and all it was like,
Speaker 1: and he's blocking out the noise, but you can't help.
Speaker 1: But here, I just gotta stay solid, do what you do.
Speaker 1: And you were winning the end every time. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: still with him. Yeah, Anthony Davis, obviously we all were
Speaker 1: putting out in the air right now. He's going to
Speaker 1: be healthy this season. With him, I feel like a healthy,
Speaker 1: motivated Anthony David should be in the m v P conversations.
Speaker 1: What do you expect them from Anthony Davids on really
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, because he's someone that can
Speaker 1: do it the entire court. Just just to be healthy.
Speaker 1: And I mean because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it all starts and ends there with him, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm not quite his his his his
Speaker 1: skill set is undeniable. And so like you said, when
Speaker 1: he's healthy like he was in that bubble, runs like
Speaker 1: he's top five in the league, top three. So um uh,
Speaker 1: he's another one I've I've had great communication and great
Speaker 1: rapport with and I just told him, Man, don't get
Speaker 1: caught up in the headline. Man, take care of your body, bro,
Speaker 1: because we this this is not gonna work without a D.
Speaker 1: You know, disrespect the Brian will disrespect the Rush. They're
Speaker 1: gonna be who they are, Like, Brian is gonna continue
Speaker 1: to be great, Russ is gonna have a much much
Speaker 1: better season. Um, but a D. Having a D available,
Speaker 1: especially with the guys we just signed the young guys. Um,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be invaluable and he's the centerpiece to that
Speaker 1: championship table that we're trying to build. I talked to man,
Speaker 1: I wanted to want to say this. That's why I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna I know it's gonna work there because
Speaker 1: you're gonna hold people accountable. You come from that cloth
Speaker 1: of what we all had. We had to really grind
Speaker 1: to even get in the league and too and to
Speaker 1: make a name for ourselfs to stay around, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So just just that attitude and that
Speaker 1: I have a lot to prove, attitude that you always had.
Speaker 1: That's what they need in that locker room, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Because it ain't gona it ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be no just what, I'm not playing hard tonight, and
Speaker 1: ain't nobody gonna say no, Bro, you let us down tonight.
Speaker 1: You're gonna let them know that. And I think, guys, guys,
Speaker 1: when you held account like that, everybody played better and
Speaker 1: the team plays better. You know what I'm saying, When
Speaker 1: everybody been held account by the top. Here's the thing, though,
Speaker 1: Jack like like my approach, and I think this is
Speaker 1: what a lot of coaches make mistakes. It's like they're
Speaker 1: either silly with it or they're abrasive. I'm a straight shooter, bro.
Speaker 1: Always its business. It's business over everything. Like when we
Speaker 1: step on that floor, step and to keep it real,
Speaker 1: you can't whoop me, so keep it. You can't whoop me.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna tell you how favor bro like,
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully it don't come to that. We are
Speaker 1: just slide in the closet the too. Something me and
Speaker 1: him was working around at the game the other day.
Speaker 1: We're just bullshit and we're viral talking. We just talking,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, we just talking about me. Yeah, gentry
Speaker 1: talk my match. You need to come back to you
Speaker 1: some corner threes. I'm like, now, I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: shooting corner three. I just want to hold people in lines.
Speaker 1: I get hands, like, yeah, we need someone to slap
Speaker 1: the ship. That ship with viral but down they love it.
Speaker 1: But it's it's just crazy. That's what this. I tell people.
Speaker 1: You've already been in there once. There's nothing in the
Speaker 1: world like being a Laker. Absolutely, so you gotta be
Speaker 1: on your p's and queues at all times because there's
Speaker 1: always something going on around all time, and it's something
Speaker 1: I embrace. It's gonna allow me to get more rest,
Speaker 1: more sleep because I'm not gonna be doing so. It's
Speaker 1: it's except focusing on my team and how we can
Speaker 1: get better every day and build towards him back in position,
Speaker 1: being at the top of the food just to go.
Speaker 1: That's that's my whole focus, bro. To put good guys
Speaker 1: around these players, good coaches that know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled for the opportunity. And I also
Speaker 1: wanted to say one more thing. I know Jennie watches
Speaker 1: us sometimes Rob watches it. Y'all need to hire arch
Speaker 1: Shade man. Y'all need to hire Ard Shape for real
Speaker 1: to really help out that locker room. The Vestan experience,
Speaker 1: the o G experience, and another straight shooter. She Wallace,
Speaker 1: we got this number. If you need it, you probably
Speaker 1: got it too. He said, why you get all buttered
Speaker 1: up when I say that. Gotta crush on Genie. She's
Speaker 1: my friends and you talk about a beautiful spirit, Bro.
Speaker 1: She's like, it's great through all of it because that's
Speaker 1: a lot of ship always coming to her to start office,
Speaker 1: and we talked one on one about what they're looking for,
Speaker 1: how they want to change and and get the culture
Speaker 1: back to what it was. Man, great person. It motivated
Speaker 1: the hell out of me. Rob Robert has been great
Speaker 1: to work with, you know. And and again, man, people
Speaker 1: put out false narratives. Just just that in the third
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I take people
Speaker 1: by face value what I've experienced with them, and it's
Speaker 1: been nothing but love and respect and and and good camaraderie.
Speaker 1: I hit the door switch gears right quick. Uh sagging On,
Speaker 1: Michigan number ten ones coming out of the kmar Ramon
Speaker 1: J Rich talk about your brain. I mean I grew
Speaker 1: up in sag Man East side, sagging On between Rimonton
Speaker 1: and Holland Ran on the backside of Genessee, the main
Speaker 1: strip behind the liquor stole and the motorcycle Black Motorcycle Club,
Speaker 1: and uh, my block stayed hot my area. You're gonna
Speaker 1: look it up now. Man, it ain't doing too well.
Speaker 1: And it's just like it ain't even gentrification going on.
Speaker 1: It's just like they're knocking down houses, just leaving the
Speaker 1: ground flat. Man, it's been so much pillage in violence
Speaker 1: and me being of a certain name, I'll be forty
Speaker 1: nine in another week and coming up during that crack
Speaker 1: are in the eighties, I saw that like boring in
Speaker 1: seventy three, growing up with a strong community and seeing
Speaker 1: that community turning into a wonderful neighborhood. Um, and then
Speaker 1: just take the neighbors off and knowledge it's good. UM
Speaker 1: got shot fourteen years old, April fifth birthday. Really, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's deep. That's deep. They It's just it's something that
Speaker 1: just when you go through an experience like that, bro,
Speaker 1: it really stays with you. And the biggest thing for
Speaker 1: me was just it was the first hot day and
Speaker 1: sagging off like it was like eighty some degrees that day,
Speaker 1: and then everybody had just coming off recognizing the twenty
Speaker 1: year Anniversity of Martin Luther King being assassinated a fourth
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight. So we out in the streets. Mom
Speaker 1: and I'm at the house, sent me and my older
Speaker 1: brother to Rannie have to go get a pizza. And
Speaker 1: it had to be like five six and the six
Speaker 1: in the evening something like that, So we uh go
Speaker 1: get the pizza, but we forgot the solda. So we
Speaker 1: stopped at this place called Al's Market and uh probably
Speaker 1: leading the league and shootouts at the Stars Market. Get
Speaker 1: the soda, get out of there. And next to that,
Speaker 1: and it's all a block away from my house. We
Speaker 1: we we have a church's chicken right there on the corner.
Speaker 1: So we turned onto Ramanton, which is the one way
Speaker 1: going this way going to the west side. Holland was
Speaker 1: the one way going to the east side. My block
Speaker 1: right in the middle. So as we turned were getting
Speaker 1: the right left far left lane to make the left
Speaker 1: onto my block, they started clapping, I'm just getting shots, right,
Speaker 1: So I turned and looked towards the shots, and that's
Speaker 1: when I got hit. If I had just like just
Speaker 1: ducked or tried to lean over, I wouldn't be sitting
Speaker 1: here in front of you all right now. The fact
Speaker 1: that I turned and looked towards the shots, it ricocheted
Speaker 1: off my job. When they took it out the left
Speaker 1: out of my neck. Was in the hospital for about
Speaker 1: eleven days. Um. It was crazy. And then that was
Speaker 1: one of the hottest summers I remember, because that's something
Speaker 1: I can remember, what thirty people getting shot and probably
Speaker 1: about a good ten leven dining and in the city.
Speaker 1: That's the size of sagonal, which is just at that
Speaker 1: point was probably a hundred fifty two hundred thou people. Um,
Speaker 1: that's a lot, and and and then the radius and
Speaker 1: then you break it down even further with the small
Speaker 1: radius of the east side, and you at the north
Speaker 1: side and the south side, and you've got We didn't
Speaker 1: have gangs like they'll call them gangs because of the
Speaker 1: violent element that's attached to it. We had what I
Speaker 1: called dopeboy clicks, Like people wasn't banging the street or
Speaker 1: neighborhood to defend that street or neighborhood. They was banging
Speaker 1: the street of neighborhood because they was getting money on
Speaker 1: the streets and in the neighborhood. They had to protect that.
Speaker 1: So you have more dopeboy clicks back then. And there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of documentaries out on YouTube talking about the
Speaker 1: y v I Detroit BMF. But I went sagging all Calamazoo,
Speaker 1: I mean Lancing. It was a lot going on, bro
Speaker 1: and them little small cities because I went to a
Speaker 1: lot of them, doing the George four times. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was doing all of those cities. Man, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of those projects. It's one way in,
Speaker 1: one way out. Yes, you know what I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of those neighborhoods. What was uh? I mean obviously
Speaker 1: you told us the physical aspect was that. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that mental still to this day sticks with you. How
Speaker 1: did that change you as a person? In fourteen years old,
Speaker 1: it let me know I wasn't in control. And then
Speaker 1: when they got darker for me was the following summer.
Speaker 1: I lost one of my closest road dogs, my my brother,
Speaker 1: my god brother. We grew up in the church together
Speaker 1: and things when things go for different people that go
Speaker 1: in their life. And he got out, he was outside
Speaker 1: off the porch, little active, and he end up getting
Speaker 1: killed that next summer a man shock of you. We
Speaker 1: same maids and he got hit eight times with us
Speaker 1: with a shotgun walking down his trying to go to
Speaker 1: the store. I had to be as pall bear, one
Speaker 1: of the pall bears. And when he's sixteen years old,
Speaker 1: you're putting on those white gloves, you're sitting in the
Speaker 1: first time ever got the rest to day. And my
Speaker 1: dad he died in the car wreck in um But
Speaker 1: that was the first time I seen my dad was brodlick,
Speaker 1: just worked general motives, was in the Air Force, just strong,
Speaker 1: do it first time I've ever seen my father cry
Speaker 1: and uh to take that casket, roll that casket out
Speaker 1: of the church, put it into hers, take it off
Speaker 1: to hers, put it on the straps to go on
Speaker 1: the ground, and that'ship man like. And then you know
Speaker 1: that just happened to you, like like it could have
Speaker 1: been me too, Like it just it just made me
Speaker 1: want to try everything. It made me one of it
Speaker 1: actually made me want to go to the military because
Speaker 1: I knew that was a direct way out to go
Speaker 1: see the world. I wanted to get as far as
Speaker 1: I could away from Sagging because the violence is kind
Speaker 1: of getting out of control at that point. We lost
Speaker 1: a lot of cats. My man Terence Marsh. I'm still
Speaker 1: tired with his sisters Eric and Adrian to this day,
Speaker 1: like he I killed over man. It's I think about
Speaker 1: how it bothers me bro like, how we just don't
Speaker 1: value all life and just this disconnect between whether it's
Speaker 1: agesm or whatever. The old ones don't want to talk
Speaker 1: to the young ones because they just assume they ain't
Speaker 1: gonna listen. And you have so many distractions now via
Speaker 1: social media, cell phones and all this other stuff, so
Speaker 1: what they don't want to listen. You know, people seeking
Speaker 1: new information constantly, but it's the way you control and
Speaker 1: redirect that information that's being received. Delivery delivery, your delivery man.
Speaker 1: And we gotta step the hell up. Man. It's it's
Speaker 1: too much. I go back into our neighborhood, bro, and
Speaker 1: this is just like it ain't nothing to help. Don't
Speaker 1: nobody come outside no more. When I was growing up, man,
Speaker 1: you see girls doing jump rope, we're playing football in
Speaker 1: the field, Guys whooping at the park, if somebody cooking,
Speaker 1: if I out on the porch and doing whatever. You
Speaker 1: don't see none of that. Now these neighborhoods no more
Speaker 1: because now it's just good. There's no more neighbors, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, there's no more neighbors, it's
Speaker 1: just hood. And that's a problem that we need to face.
Speaker 1: H Well, I I was just thinking about a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff you were saying, bro, and I just wanted
Speaker 1: to touch on like they actually want us to be
Speaker 1: afraid of the areas that we come from and not
Speaker 1: go back and show the people what they could be,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that's a big problem too,
Speaker 1: because as you know, we grow where we grow up
Speaker 1: at we only know what we see, so and we
Speaker 1: always see as the drugs and shooting, we see the
Speaker 1: same things. So when we make it out of that
Speaker 1: and the trauma of dealing with that, you know as
Speaker 1: a youngster, to make it to where you at now,
Speaker 1: it's nothing that can that can take you as. Nothing
Speaker 1: you can't handle now because you've seen the worst. So
Speaker 1: that's why it's impaired that we go back to these areas,
Speaker 1: bro to show these kids, Hey, I'm from here, but
Speaker 1: look why I'm at. You know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 1: didn't It didn't. It didn't make me be a worse,
Speaker 1: worst person, to make me just fall in love with
Speaker 1: what everything that's going here and ruin my life. I'm
Speaker 1: the same person. So it's impaired that we go back
Speaker 1: because they whole goal is to make us hate the
Speaker 1: areas where we come from, to continue to take over them,
Speaker 1: take the houses and push everybody out. And that's the plan.
Speaker 1: A lot of it. A lot of our people that
Speaker 1: make it are falling for it absolutely, man, because they
Speaker 1: don't have information. Man. The biggest thing, like it's cool
Speaker 1: to go back give away turkeys and give money to
Speaker 1: different organizations like my wife and now we have an organization,
Speaker 1: Irban Youth Development, and we got we got an official
Speaker 1: five one C three license back in two thousand and six.
Speaker 1: So that and Raymond mentioned it on this platform. You
Speaker 1: gave him coming to my camp as a little kid.
Speaker 1: I would we were we were doing and still like
Speaker 1: the COVID is kind of thrown it off because we
Speaker 1: just did want him mil walking before all of that hit.
Speaker 1: We do free basketball like skill camps. So while I'm
Speaker 1: doing basketball and my wife's and educated. My wife Deed,
Speaker 1: she's an educator and she has them in the classroom
Speaker 1: talking about social media responsibility. We have uh conflict resolution sessions.
Speaker 1: We invite the parenting. You know, they signed off on
Speaker 1: different topics that we're gonna talk about. They with their kids. Um,
Speaker 1: I had a chef come in and teach the kids
Speaker 1: how to be responsible in the kitchen, had a martial
Speaker 1: arts teacher come in and teach them self defense as
Speaker 1: well as they're doing basketball. And that's the kim Draymond
Speaker 1: went to in Sagona. I had Jason Richards and another
Speaker 1: sagon A guy came back spoke at my camp and
Speaker 1: Larry Johnson shout out to him, Magic's older brother, his mom.
Speaker 1: They all came out supported and all of that, and
Speaker 1: this back when I was with the Pistons, and it
Speaker 1: continued and carried on. So when we get together, bro,
Speaker 1: it's not so much about the money and the gifts.
Speaker 1: It's the time and sharing the information in the proper fashion,
Speaker 1: being there with an organized team. And you may have
Speaker 1: to have a team of you know, grief counselors. You
Speaker 1: may have to have a team of how to how
Speaker 1: to start your own business online, Like that's the stuff
Speaker 1: we need to do. Like like giving away stuff is cool.
Speaker 1: Like I would never downplay that or frown upon that,
Speaker 1: but it's a high level we can get to terms
Speaker 1: of fixing our neighborhoods and and first and foremost fixing
Speaker 1: our people. So that's that's that's the type of time
Speaker 1: I've been on. That's why I mentioned, you know, Beverly Hills,
Speaker 1: Malibu and we hey, we love everybody that love us,
Speaker 1: the Lakers and black people as a whole. For show
Speaker 1: me personally, I'm speaking as individual men. But I want
Speaker 1: to tap back in the compan I want to tap
Speaker 1: back in the watch Eaglewood South Central Hall. One conversation
Speaker 1: could change a lot, and you come out there with
Speaker 1: with the right support group, not the right diversified support group.
Speaker 1: Man that would bring healing. Like I said, you just
Speaker 1: can't have Oh this he sold a million records of
Speaker 1: this dude. He got twenty thousand points. Nah. This person
Speaker 1: and helped over a hundred thousand people because she's he
Speaker 1: or she is a grief counselor. This person has shown
Speaker 1: fifty thousand people to start their own business where you
Speaker 1: can develop monetary outlets for yourself and the people that's
Speaker 1: around you. That's what we have to do in our
Speaker 1: in our community, and that's what we have to do
Speaker 1: when you who come into a mix. Late man, you
Speaker 1: only played one year in high school basketball at Sacking
Speaker 1: my high same high school as my man Draymond and
Speaker 1: uh one year junior college. And I was at Texas
Speaker 1: Tech for three years and then I was in the league.
Speaker 1: I remember them Texas tex Day. You play any other
Speaker 1: sports football? First football? I had to stop though. You
Speaker 1: looked like a motherfucking bully. O. God, he's probably that
Speaker 1: side in seventh grade. Tommy Shepard always tells the story.
Speaker 1: He's current president operations for the Wizards and he was
Speaker 1: en denvered with Bernie my rookie year at the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in the Chief's calling me. They came to scout of
Speaker 1: my games that I actually did a prott Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was end. It was yeah, but I
Speaker 1: grew up playing on defense, but they wanted me to
Speaker 1: play tight end. Yeah, athletics sigh me and Antonio Gates
Speaker 1: I was running in from time to time. Antonia was
Speaker 1: like it was Swiss places that'll be dope. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: remember them Texas Tech days because I'm from Port Arthur, Man.
Speaker 1: I remember Texas Tech. Y'all had y'all had it bumping
Speaker 1: out there. Man, when you're high school one year Duco
Speaker 1: three of Texas Tech and I'm an undrafted room in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, middle of nowhere, bro love it
Speaker 1: dust storms and Calmon North Roma's taste, Man, I prefer
Speaker 1: that Cusher from what you can have that that's in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. Ye. Yeah, all them schools like that,
Speaker 1: blend All ther Ka middling the Juco Odessa. That's someone
Speaker 1: on the from the show from the movie fo Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: How many backboards have you shot? Just one's going a
Speaker 1: lot of rims. Just shot at one boy at the
Speaker 1: right time, at the right time, at the time, at
Speaker 1: the right time. Man, talk about that. My man Jason
Speaker 1: sassa bro. Shout out to Jake Sass his nephew, Marcus
Speaker 1: is a hell of a player places University of Houston
Speaker 1: Market Sass nephew. Um, my man j Martin, our point
Speaker 1: guard from Inglewood. Uh, he hit, he had jail on.
Speaker 1: Jason Martins. Yea bro, I've been doing j for over
Speaker 1: thirty years. Shout out j Martin's Jay went hit Sass
Speaker 1: in the post and Vince was guarding me. Antoine was
Speaker 1: garden Sass and Sass threw up a right jump hook.
Speaker 1: Vince went to go double and I had a straight
Speaker 1: line right to the rim man call Offins a rebound
Speaker 1: and then the rest of his and that actually tied
Speaker 1: the game up. Like we was going back and forth,
Speaker 1: and I think that might have made it sixteen and sixteen.
Speaker 1: The my man who I'm gonna see later on the night,
Speaker 1: they had Jeff mcguinnis, they had Uh, Antoine Jamison, Vince Carter,
Speaker 1: served Quicker Shaman Williams, that Carolina Calabria dark you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. They had. They had a strong, strong
Speaker 1: squad and we had Tony Batti myself, says j Mark Corey,
Speaker 1: carr uh Coy Smiths, and they cool we had We
Speaker 1: had a pretty tough squad too, but it was one
Speaker 1: of those things. Man, we're going back and forth when
Speaker 1: that happened. Should we had stopped the game forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: watch the ice glass. Our baby had take showers, and
Speaker 1: my man Corey came out and went on a three
Speaker 1: point barrage. Corey came out and hit like four straight threes.
Speaker 1: Man just opened the game. But we end up winning
Speaker 1: by seventy three. And and they drug tested me feverishly.
Speaker 1: Gotta be on something right, something right. Everything came back clean. Kids.
Speaker 1: I was just on state milk and broccoli, broccoli. I mean,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta obviously a chance to play at
Speaker 1: the highest level and play for a championship, but that
Speaker 1: ain't c double a tournament and special and I like
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Everything's on one. And you know how basketball
Speaker 1: is amazing. Might not be your night right with them
Speaker 1: shot don't go in. And now you got Bellmont beating
Speaker 1: cancers or something like that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's intense. Tell me about when y'all was getting
Speaker 1: ready to go up against Aim. We saw, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what eliminated. Yeah, we got the Atlanta. We had to
Speaker 1: do practice and media, and I saw they probably don't
Speaker 1: know if they remember this so long ago, man, but
Speaker 1: I saw that just got done doing a little interview,
Speaker 1: and I was just walking past these guys. I saw
Speaker 1: Ai walking with Othella Harrington and Jerome Williams, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking like, dang, bro, these dudes tall as hell. That's
Speaker 1: some good dunk bait right there. But a man like
Speaker 1: that was some of the best college basketball ever that
Speaker 1: year because you had I think Ray was in Yukon
Speaker 1: and like it was. It was a lot of guys
Speaker 1: around putting in work and we went and played the game.
Speaker 1: Talking about physical like it's like John John Thompson got
Speaker 1: arrested him. Man, nothing but these Africans, bro, and he
Speaker 1: was coming off three four at a time, off the best.
Speaker 1: They pressing the whole game. Jo Heidi White, bubble Car,
Speaker 1: I'll Victor page Um like just Othella, they're just hitting
Speaker 1: you all night and just just cooking. Chuck Well, Jason
Speaker 1: Martin was guarding j ended up following out, but he
Speaker 1: was they was putting him on the line. We couldn't
Speaker 1: touch you. We couldn't like, don't no, disrespected to nothing.
Speaker 1: He's he's one of the greatest. But that particular game
Speaker 1: to look at, we couldn't touch him. He got all
Speaker 1: his basically there throws. So we did a good job.
Speaker 1: We just kept fired when they kept blowing the whistle.
Speaker 1: We think we were following. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: And then it's funny because you look at some of
Speaker 1: these college scores now and they're like in the fifties
Speaker 1: and forties and fifties, that game we lost ninety and
Speaker 1: regulation And I mean, so you just showed you the
Speaker 1: type of h's going. So after a successful college career,
Speaker 1: you go undrafted, bounced around your first two seasons head overseas.
Speaker 1: How did you stay positive? Uh and focused? Before you know,
Speaker 1: before you really got a chance to find your footing
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I just knew the work man I
Speaker 1: was putting in. You know, it's a legendary scout. My
Speaker 1: man B. J. Johnson, who passed away a couple of
Speaker 1: years back, worked for the Rockets his entire career. Used
Speaker 1: to help work out me and my roommate. They came
Speaker 1: out of Texas Tech a year before I did, a
Speaker 1: guy by the name of Mark Davis got drafted by Minnesota.
Speaker 1: But in terms of myself again, we talked about it earlier,
Speaker 1: man like having almost lost my life in my neighborhood
Speaker 1: or black way from my house and then seeing what
Speaker 1: happened to my man like, I was like, dude, this
Speaker 1: it's gonna figure itself out at some point. I just
Speaker 1: gotta keep putting in the work. And uh, I never
Speaker 1: came into this game feel like I was old anything Like,
Speaker 1: I wasn't the top sixth grader in the nation and
Speaker 1: nothing like that. I didn't come through the au Sister.
Speaker 1: Just again, we just got out out the blood. Man.
Speaker 1: So it's just I knew it was amount of time.
Speaker 1: And my aunt, who was a parole officer at the
Speaker 1: time in Houston, she's since retired. She was living by herself,
Speaker 1: wasn't married, no kids, had like a three bedroom cribs.
Speaker 1: I would go down to Houston work out in the
Speaker 1: summertimes that fond Di Rec Center at West Side Tennis
Speaker 1: Club where the Rockets was practicing at that time, and
Speaker 1: playing pick up with Sam ci Cell, Robert or Nick Mannick,
Speaker 1: all these who's who are basketball and me and Sam
Speaker 1: cra Cell got real tight and uh stayed in touch.
Speaker 1: And so when I got back from Spain, Sam had
Speaker 1: worked this way into a position with George Carter where
Speaker 1: George let him like bring a player in, like bring
Speaker 1: a player in the somebo league training anybody out there
Speaker 1: you think we should be, you know, looking at he
Speaker 1: mentored my name and so shout out to saying himself man.
Speaker 1: He allowed me to establish myself and get my footing
Speaker 1: under George Carl and play summer league in loan Beats
Speaker 1: and our team with Jerome pool Allen skipped to my
Speaker 1: little ray bass myself tractor trailing Tim Thomas so and
Speaker 1: and we we did well. I did well individually and uh,
Speaker 1: I mean I went to training camp there were no
Speaker 1: more guaranteed contracts left and uh I mean no no
Speaker 1: more spots every day at fifteen guarantees. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just this tall white kid, uh, Paul Grant from University
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin, I think it was Wisconsin was from. And
Speaker 1: I had to beat him him and and he had
Speaker 1: they old him like I think two or three more
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed money. And shout out to George man,
Speaker 1: George Carl wave and gave me that spot. And so
Speaker 1: y'all had a dog. Tell I mean Ray Island sample
Speaker 1: big Dog. How nice this big dog? Because I don't
Speaker 1: think he gets enough credit for how just skilled you are.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, man. I hope they put his number up
Speaker 1: in those rafters and in the fiser form at point
Speaker 1: bro like he yeah, big dog man. He the first
Speaker 1: one that man. And you know again, information right, and
Speaker 1: and people could put something in your brain that sparked
Speaker 1: your brain and they bust through a ceiling that everybody
Speaker 1: gets to benefit from from that point forward. And Dog
Speaker 1: was first one talking about hundred million. Remember that when
Speaker 1: he was coming out and question what you want, dog,
Speaker 1: I want to hunt a million. And now look where
Speaker 1: we are. You know what I'm saying and pushing up
Speaker 1: on three hands down, and you talking about man that
Speaker 1: average twenty points per game for ten straight years his
Speaker 1: first ten years in the league. And I still talked
Speaker 1: to him today. He's down Atlantic chilling, um, doing very
Speaker 1: very well. Um, going crazy in the weight room. Um,
Speaker 1: still busting down a couple of tracks or two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta get with you on the show. We need you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a problem totally. And you know, Ray was
Speaker 1: cool and and Sam obviously that's my brother, all of
Speaker 1: them my brothers, man, And that was just a beautiful experience, man,
Speaker 1: just even Skip and Michael Red and Tim Thomas, like
Speaker 1: the dudes. That was a young Mike read right. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a good time. That's a really good team, man.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of talent. Two thousand one playoff run
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee against and they knock out again again. Talk
Speaker 1: about that. I mean it was crazy, man, But I
Speaker 1: think it was like a game six was the Eastern Final.
Speaker 1: But but this is a key element in this, in
Speaker 1: this this story, it's like Scott Williams, who who had
Speaker 1: a hell of a playoff run individually for our team.
Speaker 1: He's another one that was on that team and he
Speaker 1: had a flavoring file which he didn't get thrown out
Speaker 1: of the game for, but got suspended the game seven.
Speaker 1: And you know, playoffs are about matchups like and that's
Speaker 1: that's the thing I think that's always uh made me
Speaker 1: stand out with coaches like I'm I'm I'm really about
Speaker 1: what's best for the team. Because that year we played
Speaker 1: Team making them in the first round and that's when
Speaker 1: it was best to five. We end up beating them
Speaker 1: three one. We played Charlotte and I didn't play to
Speaker 1: the end of the last two games really of that series,
Speaker 1: that first round in two thousand one. Then we go
Speaker 1: to Charlotte. They got Mash burned that young B D two,
Speaker 1: Young d D, Ricky Davis, Elden Campbell, Oldest Thorpe d
Speaker 1: C was on that team. Derrick Coleman. I start that
Speaker 1: series because they need somebody to guard Mash. We get
Speaker 1: up to Olden. When we get to Philly, we end
Speaker 1: up beating Charlotte in seven games. We get the Philly
Speaker 1: and they got tyre on Hill and all these kim Bays.
Speaker 1: So again I go to a more reduced role. Scotti
Speaker 1: and irvare doing airthing. Sam dog Dog missed the shot
Speaker 1: that really could have sealed the series for us, going
Speaker 1: back to Milwaukee that he's made in the sleep just
Speaker 1: short baseline jump. But again fast forward and Philly was playing.
Speaker 1: They had a Eric Snow and um rajah Bell, all
Speaker 1: these guys, you know they had. They had a strong
Speaker 1: team and built around Ai and Uh. Once we got
Speaker 1: to the game seven, Scotty had BENCINSSII got worried he
Speaker 1: was suspended. I started, and me being the energizer by
Speaker 1: they know I'm gonna do boom boom boom. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: I got three straight files in a row were in
Speaker 1: game seven. I mean they elbowing, they were throwing it.
Speaker 1: They ain't calling that. But then three with files in
Speaker 1: a row, so I'm out of the game. Immediately hit him, uh,
Speaker 1: Jason Caffee and we try to compete, but by that time, man,
Speaker 1: it was just it was such a dark cloud. Is
Speaker 1: based on Scottie suspension, and it was totally unfair. And
Speaker 1: I guess the league thought they did what was best
Speaker 1: for you know, what was right at the time. But
Speaker 1: we felt like we got screwed a little bit in
Speaker 1: that situation. But it was crazy, and you know, just
Speaker 1: for a and they limped into that finals against the Lakers. Man,
Speaker 1: they were banked us and then the world and like
Speaker 1: and we that year, our two thousand one team in Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: we had beaten the top four teams in the West.
Speaker 1: We had beaten the Lakers twice, s Antonio twice, you
Speaker 1: talked twice, Sacramento twice. So we we felt like we'd
Speaker 1: have got to the Framals. Bro that was good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so a lot a lot of things are for a
Speaker 1: circle when it is meant to be. You know, you
Speaker 1: come back and you win the championship. How was that feeling?
Speaker 1: Man extreme? That was even more gratifying than when they
Speaker 1: won as a player, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: the thing that made Detroit beautiful And though four was
Speaker 1: the type of team we had, um the camaraderie, the
Speaker 1: brotherhood amongst all of us, Um that that was that
Speaker 1: made that extremely special. But to actually see you know,
Speaker 1: you put your wits on a piece of paper and
Speaker 1: then put that turn that piece of paper into court
Speaker 1: real court activity. And then uh working with coach Bud
Speaker 1: and the rest of our staff and being a lead
Speaker 1: assistant like just and and engage in the players. You know,
Speaker 1: guys get in their feelings about certain things, whether it's
Speaker 1: a rotation or I don't know, just this. They may
Speaker 1: not be playing well for stretches and you gotta go
Speaker 1: in there and you gotta be that mediator because coach
Speaker 1: but he's got to worry about the team and its
Speaker 1: entirety and coaching his star players. And sometimes you've got
Speaker 1: people that starting their role, they may not get access
Speaker 1: to him as they should, and so they start feeling
Speaker 1: a certain type of way. So being able to be
Speaker 1: that that guy that's that that standing there in front
Speaker 1: of bus or there's a bulletproof vest and uh so
Speaker 1: he can do his job and help us all and
Speaker 1: um collaborated. Just it made it that much more special
Speaker 1: man to win one. As a coach, bro, it's like
Speaker 1: everything we ham around these coaches meetings and having the
Speaker 1: right team, and it was. It was phenomenal, Bro, it was.
Speaker 1: It was way more gratifying and knowing that I have
Speaker 1: been there in twenty years previous the old one and
Speaker 1: we came up short in game seventi East of Commence Finals,
Speaker 1: and then they also know that they hadn't won a
Speaker 1: championship in fifty years and seventy one, so you've got
Speaker 1: all these blocks of time that that you know, just
Speaker 1: incrementally just making you know, steps towards retiet, reclaiming that
Speaker 1: ultimate goal. And it was an NBA championship. So it
Speaker 1: was beautiful. I love the city. The people treat me
Speaker 1: with with you know, hold me in the high reguard,
Speaker 1: treated me treated me like a king, still do to
Speaker 1: this day. And UM, it's been great. The last four
Speaker 1: years have been great. I think one thing you touched
Speaker 1: on that is underestimated and not everyone can do it.
Speaker 1: And another reason why I think you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be a grind, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a real grind is because that communication that you have,
Speaker 1: that the bulletproof vest she said you had to be for.
Speaker 1: But there's not a lot of people like you said that.
Speaker 1: They'll either sugarcoat the bullshit or they're they're too you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're too much that middle ground and your
Speaker 1: your ability to be able to communicate with players, I
Speaker 1: think is a lost art, especially because these kids are
Speaker 1: a lot different than we were, way different. So to
Speaker 1: be able to understand how to talk to each of
Speaker 1: them different, to get the best out of them, to
Speaker 1: get them to be on the same accord, it's really
Speaker 1: a special gift, absolutely, man, Because I mean, you ask
Speaker 1: Bobby Porters, Guy's Brook Lopez, you ask Chris Milton, you
Speaker 1: can ask p J. Tucker, Hell, you can ask the
Speaker 1: Marcu's cousins. I'm gonna shoot straight. I'm straight man like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do it no other way.
Speaker 1: And again, it's not gonna be silly where I'm trying
Speaker 1: to sugarcoat what I'm trying to say through comedy or
Speaker 1: sarcasm a thing like that. And it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: abuse it or abrasive where I'm trying to telling you
Speaker 1: you know you ain't ship you this, this, that and
Speaker 1: the third. No, it's gonna be a business conversation, you know,
Speaker 1: built around based in fact, live and direct. Why you coach?
Speaker 1: Why are you on me? Come come sit with me?
Speaker 1: Hit the remote? Are you seeing what I'm saying? Because
Speaker 1: if you're not, and it's blatantly right there on the film,
Speaker 1: not yet, because not, you're delusional, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's a difference between being disagreeable or disagreeing, I should say,
Speaker 1: and being delusional. Like there as certain times where you
Speaker 1: can like, oh I will coach. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't think. But if it's something that's just blade you
Speaker 1: just turning and walking back on defense not getting back,
Speaker 1: or you just let your man walk right by you
Speaker 1: get off as rebound put back, stuff like that is
Speaker 1: just like come on, fam And again, just because you
Speaker 1: disagree doesn't mean you have to be this agreeable, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's that's the other thing Man,
Speaker 1: communication is huge. Man, it's every there's a lack of it.
Speaker 1: Jumping back into your plane career, you get a chance
Speaker 1: to go home and sign with the Pistons. Um a
Speaker 1: part of the Best five A Live. We had sheet
Speaker 1: over here yesterday about what was that opportunity like to
Speaker 1: be able to go home to your hometown win the championship? Man,
Speaker 1: it was great. Man. Detroit is like being from sagging
Speaker 1: on Flint Detroit, that all those cities on the same
Speaker 1: line seventy five, the highway that goes north from south
Speaker 1: through that state. A lot of friends and loved ones
Speaker 1: in Detroit Flint side. But being able to go back
Speaker 1: there with the type of team they had at that
Speaker 1: point in the history I had with those cats, Like
Speaker 1: I've known Courtless since junior college and when I wasn't
Speaker 1: spending some time in Arkansas playing pick up ball with
Speaker 1: him and Scottie Thurmont, Scotty Scottie Thurmont, big nasty, Uh,
Speaker 1: just in and knowing Sheed. You know I'm saying since
Speaker 1: my rookie year, Jeff met she through Jeff McGuinness. Um,
Speaker 1: that's another funny story. Uh, and then becoming brothers with
Speaker 1: him as well, and let's story. Oh, no doubt. So
Speaker 1: when we're in Portland, this is like the summer nineties.
Speaker 1: Six and Jeff were Jeff and our rookies together. So
Speaker 1: I hit Jeff like, man, what you got going on?
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going to she crib Man his family town.
Speaker 1: They're doing a big meal. You want me to stop by?
Speaker 1: You can come? I said, no, dude, you would calling
Speaker 1: ask him and said, I only just be showing up,
Speaker 1: like you're not doing straight, trust trust me call him.
Speaker 1: So I think he reached out to him. He said
Speaker 1: he did with no one, Jeff Jeff Man. He knew that,
Speaker 1: he knew the lay of the land. So we go
Speaker 1: to She's house and then we end up leaving there
Speaker 1: and meet him and Jeff jumping. You know. She used
Speaker 1: to push that Bronco everywhere, pushed the Broncos. End up
Speaker 1: at Gary Trent Crib. So then I forge the relationship
Speaker 1: with g t. It was I just had dinner with
Speaker 1: this year in Milwaukee as well. Um, and that's how
Speaker 1: we met and we we we just bonded. Bro. We
Speaker 1: got we got smashed that night. Yeah, and they ended
Speaker 1: up seeing that to take us straight to shoot around. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Trent crib he got the big video screen. They playing,
Speaker 1: uh some game. I'm not big in the video game.
Speaker 1: I think they were playing the the NBA game or something. Man,
Speaker 1: But dude, you're talking about and again to just still
Speaker 1: be able to vibe and talk and communicate and have
Speaker 1: just just break brad sessions with these guys all the
Speaker 1: way back then that way and then again Ben Wallace
Speaker 1: my brother from another mother here and now in that
Speaker 1: same class of being undrafted in ninet, just me being
Speaker 1: Chucky Atkins, Eric Strickland and Adrian Griffin, five guys who
Speaker 1: made them open to day rosters in n six without
Speaker 1: being drafted whoever career. So Ben and I, you know
Speaker 1: we met and Wahedton my second year in the league,
Speaker 1: you know, with Bernie and still brothers to this day.
Speaker 1: I still talked to Ben Bench still doing great, um so,
Speaker 1: and knowing Chauncey and Rip and Lindsay Hunter. Lindsay and
Speaker 1: I played on that two thousand one team in Milwaukee together.
Speaker 1: Um So, it's just all these little different relationships within
Speaker 1: that environment to go along with being back at home
Speaker 1: and being at the top of the food champ. So
Speaker 1: that was that was great. It was an awesome time.
Speaker 1: How big was a Chance Finals MVP Mr Big Shot
Speaker 1: Hi did done but seeing his praises on a very
Speaker 1: very balanced team, very talented team. But it was chance.
Speaker 1: When you're doing construction, you have an excavation process right
Speaker 1: where you have to later foundation and make sure that
Speaker 1: the land is stable underneath what you're gonna build. That
Speaker 1: was Bill Wallace. Then Wallace built that foundation with the
Speaker 1: mentality had He was no nonsense, quiet, knew how to
Speaker 1: have fun outside of the environment, outside of the building.
Speaker 1: But when you when he came in that business, all business. Chauncey,
Speaker 1: I would say, was the guy that you put the
Speaker 1: blueprint together and not you know how the different bedrooms
Speaker 1: gonna look, how to where the pool gonna be at,
Speaker 1: and where the man came and where do she shared?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, Chauncey is the guy
Speaker 1: that's gonna make that thing really pop. And that's why
Speaker 1: it all worked. And then you had real Ta Shawn
Speaker 1: and you know she we can end up getting sheet
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season, which I thought Atlanta
Speaker 1: was crazy, bro, because when we got she from Atlanta,
Speaker 1: you was on that team. Al Harrington was Jason Terry
Speaker 1: was there, but I just remember of y'all, like if
Speaker 1: I said that when Antoine Walker was with y'all, we
Speaker 1: had it was tasted Terry Alan Henderson, Okay, as we had.
Speaker 1: I'm like, if they had a game that had a chance,
Speaker 1: like man, it was like that y'all got there. It
Speaker 1: was like a wholesale and they actually got a good team.
Speaker 1: But I guess Alan and antoineam came that next year
Speaker 1: or whatever. But yeah, dude, like getting she when we
Speaker 1: got him, everybody just thinking it's not gonna work because
Speaker 1: he was so misunderstood. And you actually, anybody ever played
Speaker 1: with she coach, She been around. She top shelf human
Speaker 1: being man, top shelf human being man like for real,
Speaker 1: straight up. So he came in and I was kind
Speaker 1: of the conduit because he really didn't know nobody on
Speaker 1: the team. I knew him from all those years and
Speaker 1: we had remained in contact, and so boom, I said, dude,
Speaker 1: he said, what's up with what's up with Ben? I said, dude,
Speaker 1: You're gonna love that. Dude, y'all just to like your
Speaker 1: personality is a little different, but y'all really just to
Speaker 1: like him. Boom, we all hit it. Man, connector like
Speaker 1: vote tron Man. It was a beautiful experience Old Folk
Speaker 1: Finals with the leakas. What do you remember about playing
Speaker 1: Cob and Shot? They was beefing, That's what I remember.
Speaker 1: Like it was like it was not not on a
Speaker 1: personal tip per se ourn't every day with him, but
Speaker 1: you could see on the court of energy, the energy
Speaker 1: wasn't right. And I mean we were we were just
Speaker 1: geek and I know she was. She was ready to
Speaker 1: kill Karl alone, and uh, you know, Carl's one of
Speaker 1: the greats, and but she was ready to make its
Speaker 1: opportunity to make his mark. And g P shout out
Speaker 1: to my fellow Leo. GP came and it just their
Speaker 1: mix and then them trying to play the triangle, like
Speaker 1: it was just something just seem a little bit off
Speaker 1: with that squad. We just went out there and like
Speaker 1: we're gonna lock the grass up and do what we
Speaker 1: need to do, and that's what happened. But I just
Speaker 1: remember that team, the energy around that team in particular
Speaker 1: being you know, between Shot and Kobe on the court,
Speaker 1: it just didn't seem right. Something was a little bit off,
Speaker 1: like one of them had a ball, the other one
Speaker 1: ain't looking right. And not just going there and when
Speaker 1: you got the ball and then he ain't going as
Speaker 1: hard like like somebody blow by you and he ain't
Speaker 1: gonna come block the shot or you block the shot.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna v BackBox out and get the rebound.
Speaker 1: Like you can see that. You know basketball, you know
Speaker 1: what you're watching. You pick up on stuff like that quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they didn't have an answer for Chauncey at all,
Speaker 1: at all, at all. It was different I've experienced in
Speaker 1: mad experience it. What was your experience in the feeling
Speaker 1: you had when that buzzer sounds on you the NBA
Speaker 1: champions You're the best in the world, the best feeling
Speaker 1: in the world. I'm telling you, it's the best feeling
Speaker 1: in the world. Bro. It's just like you locked together
Speaker 1: in history, on the right side of history for all time. Bro.
Speaker 1: Like I had it saying, you know, everybody gets to
Speaker 1: make money, very few get to make history. You get
Speaker 1: to make history. Bro. That that's like, long after we're
Speaker 1: going they're gonna be talking about those teams all we're
Speaker 1: a part of. You know what I'm saying, They're gonna
Speaker 1: have a moment in time and whether it's coming back
Speaker 1: if you're blessed to be around that long years later.
Speaker 1: I mean that's when you really feel it and you
Speaker 1: go back and you look at those old reels and
Speaker 1: all those uh, all those just memories, man, memories, that's
Speaker 1: just just sketched in the time. Man, that's that's not
Speaker 1: going in wherever you decided to hang it up in
Speaker 1: two thousand five? When did you know it was time? Hell?
Speaker 1: When I when I started, uh sounding like a bowl
Speaker 1: of rice Christmas when I got out of bed, snaps man,
Speaker 1: bro like I knew old five. I'm like, dude, I
Speaker 1: gotta chill like. I had seven surgeries throughout my career
Speaker 1: world like, broke my nose twice, broke both hands, scopes
Speaker 1: on my knees, broke my foot. After I was done
Speaker 1: as a as a coach, I tore my achilles playing
Speaker 1: pick up with my son, so did he crossed? I
Speaker 1: actually went up to block a shot jack. I was
Speaker 1: clas classica. I got a little petty though. So this
Speaker 1: little dude was playing at the Y m C. A
Speaker 1: and buckhead Man in Atlanta, right there off Moor's Mill,
Speaker 1: and uh dude picked my son and it was like
Speaker 1: the top ball game for game and I sprinted down
Speaker 1: and went up and blocked the shot toward mykilling. He
Speaker 1: blocked it though I blocked it. He blocked it though.
Speaker 1: You had to roll me away, but I got my
Speaker 1: last highlights. Yeah, so you know, we're gonna tell me
Speaker 1: that sake it off. There, you good, sake it off.
Speaker 1: Damn favorite part of retirement. But the hardest part about
Speaker 1: just kind of walking away from the game as a player.
Speaker 1: I think the favorite part of it is just, you know,
Speaker 1: people understand the preparation that goes into uh trying to
Speaker 1: you know, prepare for NBA season. Man, the work you
Speaker 1: gotta put into your body, the constant training, um, it'll
Speaker 1: wear on you. Man, it grinds your body down. And
Speaker 1: then you talk about the actual activity physically of engaging
Speaker 1: other bodies on the court, getting hit all those hits
Speaker 1: over time. You know, obviously football is not to the
Speaker 1: degree of football, but I think basketball is the hardest
Speaker 1: sport because it's physical, and it's fast and no paths
Speaker 1: and so and you're leaving, you're leaving the ground like repeatedly,
Speaker 1: you're jumping, you're running, you you slide, hit diving, diving
Speaker 1: on the floor. So it's one of those things where
Speaker 1: it's just like, man, dude, like that was that felt good?
Speaker 1: And I have to go through that, um. But the
Speaker 1: thing is you just missed the level of competition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's what got me back and like wanting
Speaker 1: to coach and do all that because you missed that hunger.
Speaker 1: You missed being a part of something like I'm a
Speaker 1: part of this situation and we're about to go show
Speaker 1: that other situation where they ain't on our level. And
Speaker 1: that's the whole spirit of competing. And and that's the
Speaker 1: thing that you missed. Fatherhood. You've got two children. What's
Speaker 1: the best part of fatherhood for you? Man? It's all
Speaker 1: three boys, Donovan and Dominic like you you the best
Speaker 1: part of it is really just seeing them little matchurations
Speaker 1: I got three grand babies. You're a grandfather, big daddy,
Speaker 1: big daddy. So it's it's it's one of those things man,
Speaker 1: where it's just like it's real, bro, Like it's it's
Speaker 1: really real. You see yourself and these guys and the
Speaker 1: information you've given them. Like my oldest he's out here
Speaker 1: work in Summer League with Cleveland, and my middle don
Speaker 1: he just got hired into the Bucks. He worked in
Speaker 1: the G League with the Wisconsin Heard the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, and now the Bucks just hired hired him
Speaker 1: into their video room. My youngest has two years as
Speaker 1: your ability left at the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee, so
Speaker 1: he's gonna be playing Do you want basketball right down
Speaker 1: the street? Yes, And so it's just a blessing. Man.
Speaker 1: My wife d and you know, we've been together, we
Speaker 1: met at Texas Tech, been together all these years. Bro.
Speaker 1: Just she's yeah, she's a rock. She's a foundation. That
Speaker 1: that that really it's the crazy glue of of everything ups, downs, good,
Speaker 1: bad and different. She's been a real one. She's been
Speaker 1: a real and that's my ride to die, my life partner.
Speaker 1: And if the aby to see your kids become adults
Speaker 1: and people and productive and like that's the best feeling
Speaker 1: in the world. Absolutely, absolutely your hard work, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like to see your kids grow into
Speaker 1: and to be productive and and to do something good
Speaker 1: like that's that's really all you work for. Anything that
Speaker 1: happens when they walk out the house any day, anything
Speaker 1: can happen to us any day. But to see that
Speaker 1: you've done right and protected them, engaging the right tools
Speaker 1: to be successful and to see adulthood. That's that's clearly
Speaker 1: what we work for. Bro. Yeah, it's it's just it's
Speaker 1: it's balancing what you're telling them from a spiritual standpoint
Speaker 1: and a discipline standpoint with what they're receiving out in
Speaker 1: the world. And you don't want that world's voice to
Speaker 1: be bigger than yours, bigger or louder, or more impactful
Speaker 1: on them than yours. You have to give them, like again,
Speaker 1: a good fund day. I had great parents. My mother
Speaker 1: Mrs ham Magzie, now she just got she got remarried
Speaker 1: years back. But my father, how and him, my mother
Speaker 1: and women are man. They raised my older brother Deronnie,
Speaker 1: my younger sister Detoya in the best fashion in the
Speaker 1: middle Like we weren't in the projects, but we weren't
Speaker 1: upper middle class either. My dad worked at General Motors,
Speaker 1: my mom as a school teacher, and we were in
Speaker 1: church all the time. But that neighborhood. So when the
Speaker 1: neighborhood got out of neighborhood gout of control, we already
Speaker 1: had the equipment to kind of shield that stuff off.
Speaker 1: But sometimes again, getting off my porch and walking a block,
Speaker 1: anything could happened, as it did to me. Getting shot.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's real, man. But again, your your kids. Man,
Speaker 1: what you're putting into your children, you gotta be able
Speaker 1: to equip them. It's not you teaching them how to
Speaker 1: do something just so they won't get on your nerves.
Speaker 1: You have to teach them stuff that's gonna stay with them,
Speaker 1: and that's gonna equip them to withstand everything that they're
Speaker 1: gonna go through once to leave, because they leave your building,
Speaker 1: your home, that's when you're teaching is gonna come into effect.
Speaker 1: Not just them being quiet and doing chores and making
Speaker 1: sure they ain't too loud and all of that. No,
Speaker 1: when they hit that door, whatever you didn't taught them,
Speaker 1: it's got to bring. Man. This has been a great interview.
Speaker 1: We're gonna finish up with quick hits. But before we
Speaker 1: finish up with quick hitters, that's your solo camp right there. Sure,
Speaker 1: what should Laker fans expect from your Laker team this
Speaker 1: upcoming season? Competing at a high level. Again, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be together. The most together team always does well, always
Speaker 1: wins at the end of the day. And accountability and uh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be tough. We're gonna be defensive, minded that's
Speaker 1: the side of the ball where you're gonna see the
Speaker 1: quickest and most drastic improvement. And we're gonna share offensively.
Speaker 1: And again we're gonna we want everybody all in on
Speaker 1: what we're doing. Like, we don't want anybody that the
Speaker 1: second guess and you know, being a laker or is it?
Speaker 1: Am I in the right place for this? And this
Speaker 1: that in the third if the season started today, I'm
Speaker 1: totally comfortable with the roster I have. Um. I love
Speaker 1: the individuals that I'm going to get, the coach. I
Speaker 1: think we're putting together a beautiful staff, um, and every
Speaker 1: day we're gonna work to get better. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: make sure we're putting the product out there that you
Speaker 1: guys can enjoy and be proud of. Definitely on the
Speaker 1: list to see this is definitely I got two more spots.
Speaker 1: I gotta feel. And so we'll see what happens, man,
Speaker 1: We'll see what five dinner against Dead alive? Five dinner
Speaker 1: against dead or alive? Man, I have to say, Muhammad
Speaker 1: Ali uh Bruce Lee m hm, that's the first. Pam
Speaker 1: Grier Man young Pam from Foxy Brown Man, who's the
Speaker 1: last too? Then I would love to talk to Tupac.
Speaker 1: I would love to talk to poc Man. And I
Speaker 1: think the fifth one. What's the kid that made Twitter? Zuckerberg? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Facebookbok Facebook No? No? No? Facebook is Mark? Is Mark Zuckerberg? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I would I would love to have him at dinner
Speaker 1: and asking was it all really worth it? Was it
Speaker 1: all really worth it? And I would ask Muhammad Ali
Speaker 1: about what he went through them when they took his title?
Speaker 1: How was those two three four years where you couldn't
Speaker 1: compete at what you loved? Bruce Lee? Like your discipline,
Speaker 1: like Foxy Brown? How was it being a beautiful black
Speaker 1: woman being reduced kind of the black exploitation movies and
Speaker 1: not really getting your chance at that high, high level?
Speaker 1: And Tupac again, how does it feel for you to
Speaker 1: start one way and do a one eight and now
Speaker 1: with you're spewing it on these records actually ultimately end
Speaker 1: up costing you your own So it would be a
Speaker 1: reason why I have these people love it. What makes
Speaker 1: you honest different? It's hunger Man. You look at the
Speaker 1: story man they he and his brother, the Nazi is
Speaker 1: his family, what they've gone through, bro, he just that's
Speaker 1: with him forever. And he's a tireless worker. He's built
Speaker 1: like the tools he has is physically his length, his
Speaker 1: size is athleticism, his balance, his ability to recover. Like
Speaker 1: he hyper extended his knee and we thought, damn it's over.
Speaker 1: We see our hold trophy go before he came back.
Speaker 1: He came back. When you look at that and slow
Speaker 1: motion and see what his knee did like. But again
Speaker 1: that's a testament to him, the work he puts in
Speaker 1: on his body, him constantly work on his game. That
Speaker 1: jump shot is gonna go contain, need to go in
Speaker 1: and go in at a higher clip as he gets older. Um,
Speaker 1: and the type of person he is. Man, he's the
Speaker 1: most humble elite player I've ever been around in my life.
Speaker 1: Like like he's humble. He doesn't bring He has fun
Speaker 1: on social media, use it like that, but nothing like
Speaker 1: he don't dump on nobody else, hate on nobody else.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He's he's respectful and thankful
Speaker 1: for everything he gets. And he works his tail off
Speaker 1: man every day, every single day. Nobody plays harder to him, Nobody,
Speaker 1: no animal. What album can you listen to with no skips? Album?
Speaker 1: With no skips? There's a couple of them, Theomatic two
Speaker 1: days in a row, Tupac Me against the World, Big
Speaker 1: He Ready to Die, Uh, the Chronic Dr Dre, Ninja
Speaker 1: for Life and Waking Myself Now and then my my favorite,
Speaker 1: my go to bro Eric being Rock Him Paid Bron.
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody told me what was the best
Speaker 1: era hip hop? Right? And I go by albums. I
Speaker 1: think from no disrespect to anybody before I after, but
Speaker 1: I think from when paid and Full dropped the same
Speaker 1: I got shot all the way up to Big released
Speaker 1: Life after Death. It's ninety seven seven nine seven. I
Speaker 1: started first hearing Paiding Full in eighty seven, So from
Speaker 1: Paiding Full I was telling yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a hell of a running rap. Oh dude, every
Speaker 1: and everything between you know, wa Wu tang I jumped
Speaker 1: off the porch. The R and B was just as dope.
Speaker 1: R and B B. What happened to R and B? Bro?
Speaker 1: What happened to R and B? I don't know, but
Speaker 1: the damn sure wasn't on that versus that the first
Speaker 1: thing you're doing the morning, last thing you're doing night,
Speaker 1: first thing I do in the morning. I thank god, man,
Speaker 1: I thank god man. It's hard for me to have
Speaker 1: a bad day when you start off like that. So
Speaker 1: when I open my eyes and take that breath. So
Speaker 1: I made it, they asked in trouble again, Like made it.
Speaker 1: And the last thing I do at night, man, it's
Speaker 1: probably I may watch a documentary on YouTube, hang out
Speaker 1: with the wife, kick back with her false sleep, talking
Speaker 1: to her something. Um, I'm making a point. After I
Speaker 1: wake up, hits, get ready to lead a house and
Speaker 1: give a kiss, tell he our love her. Um, have
Speaker 1: a great day, and then at nighttime, just kind of
Speaker 1: doze off. Man, a big cigarfish. You're not all smoke
Speaker 1: like My Churchill's my monte Cristo. So yeah, man, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's just an easy life. It's it's it's its own. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Blast totally blast. But then you know you don't bring
Speaker 1: nothing on yourself that you're not gonna be a black Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just stay low key, stay out the way, man,
Speaker 1: and make sure my people are good. Yeah. U plus
Speaker 1: four in y'all prime on the basket on the black top,
Speaker 1: on the black you might have to fight. You might
Speaker 1: have definitely, Sam to sell. Definitely, she give me some
Speaker 1: ship talking, Oh my god, in the in the best way, Um,
Speaker 1: you said on the black top, though people understand that
Speaker 1: the hardwood is different from the black black tops with
Speaker 1: the real it ain't no matter the texts that God
Speaker 1: rest the dead, give me my man, Anthony Mason. Um
Speaker 1: so sam me she Anthony Mason and then um got
Speaker 1: three bullies. I'm going Mario Ellie shout out to Rio Riolly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. We're gonna We're gonna win games and
Speaker 1: beat your ass. That's my guy. However, you wanted one
Speaker 1: message on the billboard for the world to see word message. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's another good one. Oh deep man, you've been dropping,
Speaker 1: You've been dropping gyms, all interviews, just one of them
Speaker 1: on the billboard. I would say this, man, Um, don't
Speaker 1: ever think you any greater or any lesser than anyone,
Speaker 1: because we're all human beings first, m You're no greater,
Speaker 1: no lesser than anyone, because we're all human beings first
Speaker 1: and irregardless of all the political madness. The only thing
Speaker 1: that separates us, it's our gender and that's it. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's anything that separates us. Man. Everyone has two ears,
Speaker 1: one nose, one that's it. Bro. So remember you're a
Speaker 1: human being first through it all, So have compassion, half respect,
Speaker 1: show love because what you put in the universe so
Speaker 1: don't come back to you. You better believe it. Either
Speaker 1: hug you or slap you in the face. So God
Speaker 1: bless you all. Man, appreciate the time, fellas. If you
Speaker 1: could see one guest from the Lakers on all the smoke,
Speaker 1: who would it be? But you have to help them,
Speaker 1: help us, you know, get so that's why Jack got
Speaker 1: a crush on it. My man. Now I don't have
Speaker 1: to be from the Lakers. Yes, it does. The team
Speaker 1: I'm trying to trying to do. You see what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do't Ronnie? That's crazy. You might be you
Speaker 1: might you might be able to make that mother. He
Speaker 1: told me plenty of times you want come on the show.
Speaker 1: Have you gotta excuse me because I don't be watching.
Speaker 1: That's all good. We ain't had none of your big
Speaker 1: three really, not even Russ. I've been working on and
Speaker 1: they all said they would we just I work out
Speaker 1: with Ray Westbrook, right you O, brother, motherfucker, let's go.
Speaker 1: You've been talking about it for a minute. But now
Speaker 1: that'd be dope. Any of them. We'd appreciate it. Just
Speaker 1: can you know one thing about d ham too is
Speaker 1: he's a man of his words. So y'all expect we're
Speaker 1: gonna make it happen. Man, y'all been to the shop.
Speaker 1: We're waiting on It's easy. Yeah, we're here. We ready
Speaker 1: before we get out of here. Tunisia, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: She took out for a couple of months while I
Speaker 1: had I had it with the Clippers. She's with the
Speaker 1: Lakers now, one of the best in the bides. Thank
Speaker 1: you for making this happen. Jack, you got the gift,
Speaker 1: But before you give you the gift, man, we just
Speaker 1: really wanted to man, congratulations. Man, it's been a beautiful
Speaker 1: Rachel dudes ten years. You've learned from a lot of
Speaker 1: greats and the sec I think we might even talk
Speaker 1: about the one on the show the second ye were
Speaker 1: hirer like, this is exactly It's not gonna be easy,
Speaker 1: but this is exactly what they need. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And but you know, man, like, every time I see
Speaker 1: you guys YouTube specifically, it's always love. Man Like, we
Speaker 1: we keep it real, no matter, it ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of false narratives, just fake were similar
Speaker 1: fake talking like a lot of these people do um
Speaker 1: were real live locked in with one another, and we
Speaker 1: really and we really support each other in a real way.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. When when the real one
Speaker 1: making it feel like we made it. Absolutely, you being
Speaker 1: a coach feel like we coach it. So I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just happy you in that position. Bro Man, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all any time you need me, Bro, Yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: check back in. We're gonna check it back in. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a roller coaster that man. We got something
Speaker 1: to laugh but leg we appreciate you, man, Man. Thank
Speaker 1: you Agatting, Darvin Ham, the new head coach Loss are
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