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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to All the Smoke, Jack Day three, Vegas. It's

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Speaker 1: been going well, coming to you live from the Legend

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Speaker 1: Suite inside the Wind Hotel. Shout out both them for

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Speaker 1: taking care of us, take care of y'all. But Jack,

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Speaker 1: we got a good one today. Man, our brother, one

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Speaker 1: of my former coaches. Just a great dude and really

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Speaker 1: excited for the opportunity he just has taken. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show, Darvin him. Appreciate the real is back. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: obviously first and foremost, you know longer were due uh

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Speaker 1: ten years as an assistant coach. Um when that Laker

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Speaker 1: position became finalized, Like what do you think? Man? I

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Speaker 1: was blown away. Man, it was really a great moment.

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Speaker 1: I was so tired, just you know, my wife was

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Speaker 1: with me and we ended up ironically staying the extra

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Speaker 1: day in l A after our interview because I just like, Babe,

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like getting out the bed. And what

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Speaker 1: people don't understand not just that process, it's just what

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Speaker 1: we've been through since March, you know, the COVID going

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Speaker 1: into the bubble, having a quick turnaround after the bubble,

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Speaker 1: winning the championship, having another quick turnaround and to try

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Speaker 1: to defend that championship. And then I had, you know,

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Speaker 1: as soon as we get eliminated by Boston game seven

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Speaker 1: on the Sunday, we have our exit meetings on a Monday.

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Speaker 1: I had tested positive for COVID on that Thursday. So

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Speaker 1: at the you know, never had it throughout the whole

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Speaker 1: process of it, you know, appearing on the scene within society,

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Speaker 1: but you know, just going through all of that is

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Speaker 1: just like three seasons melted into one, and you know,

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Speaker 1: doing several interviews with different teams in between all that time.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the process is like a team and

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Speaker 1: reach out and say we want to interview, you know,

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Speaker 1: to say Chicago, they called it. You want to you

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Speaker 1: want to interview you that interview may not happen for

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Speaker 1: it for two weeks and just put it on at

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Speaker 1: some point. Yeah, they asked for permission, and then you

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Speaker 1: wait for the date and then they give you a

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Speaker 1: date maybe two weeks or that whole two weeks, you

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Speaker 1: grinding trying to get your information together. Not only are

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Speaker 1: you thinking about the team you're working for, but you're

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Speaker 1: also thinking about the team that you're trying to take over,

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Speaker 1: So you gotta be, you know, really familiar with what's

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Speaker 1: going on there. So it's it's been, it's been. How

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Speaker 1: many teams reached out to you a lot? The Lagos

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Speaker 1: was my tenth interview interview with the league, So I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is not just you know and in the present,

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Speaker 1: it's just like through the course of me interviewing interview

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Speaker 1: with a third of the league, and the Lakers were

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Speaker 1: number ten and and and rightfully, so you know, Genie Robbed,

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Speaker 1: they believed in me, and I'm wholeheartedly uh thrilled and

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Speaker 1: humbled and ready for the task because that's the first team,

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Speaker 1: you know, via Mike Brown, they gave me my starters

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Speaker 1: and assistant coach. Let's go back there. I mean, that

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Speaker 1: was my second with the Lakers. We had just Phil

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Speaker 1: Jackson had just retired, Mike Brown came in and you

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Speaker 1: you were on that staff. Um, what do you remember

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Speaker 1: most about obviously beginning kind of your coaching journey. But

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Speaker 1: you know, rest in peace, our brother Cob was on

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Speaker 1: that team. We had a really solid team. What do

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Speaker 1: you remember most about that experience? Man? Just just being

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Speaker 1: surrounded by great basketball mind you know on that staff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: obviously Mike Brown and head coach. Ye. Yeah, my MB

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Speaker 1: is the best bro. You know when I first came

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Speaker 1: in the league, Little sidebar in ninety six is undrafted

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Speaker 1: rookie playing for Bernie bickerstaff. Mike Brown was the video

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Speaker 1: way back. Shout out to Mike, salute always. But just

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Speaker 1: being surrounded by great basketball minds, because Matt, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: a Rsina feel Handy that was his first NBA coaching job.

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Speaker 1: Me and my Man Phield came in together, so it

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Speaker 1: was it was a beautiful experience. And then obviously you

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Speaker 1: mentioned it earlier, God rest his soul, but getting the

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Speaker 1: for years. You know, his basketball knowledge, his i Q pile,

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Speaker 1: He got some spender going into the playoffs and I

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Speaker 1: had to do the one on one workout. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: he said, have us do these motherfucking mad ball dunk workouts?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's how that seat although it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a dream job, it's a Los Angeles Lakers, it probably

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Speaker 1: be hottest seat in basketball. How do you kind of

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Speaker 1: mentally wrap your head around about what you know, the

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Speaker 1: firestorm that's about to come. I mean, in a situation

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Speaker 1: like this one, man, I think it's it's important and

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Speaker 1: this for everybody out there. Man, when you when you

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Speaker 1: as pressure because I know myself, I know I solid

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Speaker 1: iron like like I'm I'm I'm universally aligned with God

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Speaker 1: first and foremost. I mean knowing how to show respect

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people, but also knowing how to

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Speaker 1: take a stance and not being afraid. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know who you are. You have all

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Speaker 1: the confidence in the world when you're going into a

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Speaker 1: situation of this magnitude. I'm thrilled, man. I'm I'm built

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Speaker 1: for it. I'm ready for it. I know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm sort of an extroverted personality, but in the

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna find out about me. Find that

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Speaker 1: at the hot spots and doing all that that nonsense.

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Speaker 1: You know, I really like the grind. You know, I

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Speaker 1: got everything I ever got it out of life. I

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Speaker 1: turned it into a jewel. So that's not leaving me

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Speaker 1: big three is a big three. It took a lot

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Speaker 1: obviously we all know he's a big key to that.

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Speaker 1: But talked about to me individually, Um, getting a chance

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Speaker 1: expect from him as a coach? Obviously he's great, one

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Speaker 1: sacrifice and making selfless plays. You know, if you don't

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Speaker 1: that's the thing I'm thinking about. And my hats off

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Speaker 1: He's top five that are alive in my opinion, And

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Speaker 1: don't be even more so with this team competitiveness, togetherness

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Speaker 1: Then it's like I I locked in, I coined his

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Speaker 1: with this business man, people doing your name and trade rumors.

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Speaker 1: I've been at least ninety six. Man. I don't know

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Speaker 1: still with him. Yeah, Anthony Davis, obviously we all were

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Speaker 1: skill set is undeniable. And so like you said, when

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Speaker 1: because we this this is not gonna work without a D.

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Speaker 1: You know, disrespect the Brian will disrespect the Rush. They're

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Speaker 1: to be great, Russ is gonna have a much much

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Speaker 1: better season. Um, but a D. Having a D available,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be invaluable and he's the centerpiece to that

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Speaker 1: you're gonna hold people accountable. You come from that cloth

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Speaker 1: the same person. So it's impaired that we go back

426
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 1: because they whole goal is to make us hate the

427
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: areas where we come from, to continue to take over them,

428
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: take the houses and push everybody out. And that's the plan.

429
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: A lot of it. A lot of our people that

430
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: make it are falling for it absolutely, man, because they

431
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: don't have information. Man. The biggest thing, like it's cool

432
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: to go back give away turkeys and give money to

433
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Speaker 1: different organizations like my wife and now we have an organization,

434
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Speaker 1: Irban Youth Development, and we got we got an official

435
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Speaker 1: five one C three license back in two thousand and six.

436
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: So that and Raymond mentioned it on this platform. You

437
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Speaker 1: gave him coming to my camp as a little kid.

438
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,959
Speaker 1: I would we were we were doing and still like

439
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 1: the COVID is kind of thrown it off because we

440
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: just did want him mil walking before all of that hit.

441
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: We do free basketball like skill camps. So while I'm

442
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Speaker 1: doing basketball and my wife's and educated. My wife Deed,

443
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: she's an educator and she has them in the classroom

444
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 1: talking about social media responsibility. We have uh conflict resolution sessions.

445
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: We invite the parenting. You know, they signed off on

446
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: different topics that we're gonna talk about. They with their kids. Um,

447
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: I had a chef come in and teach the kids

448
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 1: how to be responsible in the kitchen, had a martial

449
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: arts teacher come in and teach them self defense as

450
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: well as they're doing basketball. And that's the kim Draymond

451
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: went to in Sagona. I had Jason Richards and another

452
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Speaker 1: sagon A guy came back spoke at my camp and

453
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: Larry Johnson shout out to him, Magic's older brother, his mom.

454
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: They all came out supported and all of that, and

455
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: this back when I was with the Pistons, and it

456
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: continued and carried on. So when we get together, bro,

457
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: it's not so much about the money and the gifts.

458
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: It's the time and sharing the information in the proper fashion,

459
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: being there with an organized team. And you may have

460
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: to have a team of you know, grief counselors. You

461
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: may have to have a team of how to how

462
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: to start your own business online, Like that's the stuff

463
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: we need to do. Like like giving away stuff is cool.

464
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: Like I would never downplay that or frown upon that,

465
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Speaker 1: but it's a high level we can get to terms

466
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Speaker 1: of fixing our neighborhoods and and first and foremost fixing

467
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Speaker 1: our people. So that's that's that's the type of time

468
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Speaker 1: I've been on. That's why I mentioned, you know, Beverly Hills,

469
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: Malibu and we hey, we love everybody that love us,

470
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: the Lakers and black people as a whole. For show

471
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Speaker 1: me personally, I'm speaking as individual men. But I want

472
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Speaker 1: to tap back in the compan I want to tap

473
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Speaker 1: back in the watch Eaglewood South Central Hall. One conversation

474
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Speaker 1: could change a lot, and you come out there with

475
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Speaker 1: with the right support group, not the right diversified support group.

476
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 1: Man that would bring healing. Like I said, you just

477
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Speaker 1: can't have Oh this he sold a million records of

478
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Speaker 1: this dude. He got twenty thousand points. Nah. This person

479
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: and helped over a hundred thousand people because she's he

480
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Speaker 1: or she is a grief counselor. This person has shown

481
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Speaker 1: fifty thousand people to start their own business where you

482
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Speaker 1: can develop monetary outlets for yourself and the people that's

483
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Speaker 1: around you. That's what we have to do in our

484
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Speaker 1: in our community, and that's what we have to do

485
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: when you who come into a mix. Late man, you

486
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: only played one year in high school basketball at Sacking

487
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: my high same high school as my man Draymond and

488
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: uh one year junior college. And I was at Texas

489
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: Tech for three years and then I was in the league.

490
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Speaker 1: I remember them Texas tex Day. You play any other

491
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Speaker 1: sports football? First football? I had to stop though. You

492
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: looked like a motherfucking bully. O. God, he's probably that

493
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Speaker 1: side in seventh grade. Tommy Shepard always tells the story.

494
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Speaker 1: He's current president operations for the Wizards and he was

495
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Speaker 1: en denvered with Bernie my rookie year at the Cowboys

496
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Speaker 1: in the Chief's calling me. They came to scout of

497
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Speaker 1: my games that I actually did a prott Texas Tech.

498
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was end. It was yeah, but I

499
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Speaker 1: grew up playing on defense, but they wanted me to

500
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Speaker 1: play tight end. Yeah, athletics sigh me and Antonio Gates

501
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: I was running in from time to time. Antonia was

502
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Speaker 1: like it was Swiss places that'll be dope. Yeah. I

503
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Speaker 1: remember them Texas Tech days because I'm from Port Arthur, Man.

504
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: I remember Texas Tech. Y'all had y'all had it bumping

505
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Speaker 1: out there. Man, when you're high school one year Duco

506
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Speaker 1: three of Texas Tech and I'm an undrafted room in

507
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Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, middle of nowhere, bro love it

508
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: dust storms and Calmon North Roma's taste, Man, I prefer

509
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: that Cusher from what you can have that that's in

510
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Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. Ye. Yeah, all them schools like that,

511
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Speaker 1: blend All ther Ka middling the Juco Odessa. That's someone

512
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Speaker 1: on the from the show from the movie fo Yeah. Yeah.

513
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Speaker 1: How many backboards have you shot? Just one's going a

514
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Speaker 1: lot of rims. Just shot at one boy at the

515
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Speaker 1: right time, at the right time, at the time, at

516
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Speaker 1: the right time. Man, talk about that. My man Jason

517
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: sassa bro. Shout out to Jake Sass his nephew, Marcus

518
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: is a hell of a player places University of Houston

519
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Speaker 1: Market Sass nephew. Um, my man j Martin, our point

520
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: guard from Inglewood. Uh, he hit, he had jail on.

521
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: Jason Martins. Yea bro, I've been doing j for over

522
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: thirty years. Shout out j Martin's Jay went hit Sass

523
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: in the post and Vince was guarding me. Antoine was

524
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: garden Sass and Sass threw up a right jump hook.

525
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: Vince went to go double and I had a straight

526
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: line right to the rim man call Offins a rebound

527
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: and then the rest of his and that actually tied

528
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: the game up. Like we was going back and forth,

529
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: and I think that might have made it sixteen and sixteen.

530
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: The my man who I'm gonna see later on the night,

531
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: they had Jeff mcguinnis, they had Uh, Antoine Jamison, Vince Carter,

532
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: served Quicker Shaman Williams, that Carolina Calabria dark you know

533
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Speaker 1: what I mean. They had. They had a strong, strong

534
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Speaker 1: squad and we had Tony Batti myself, says j Mark Corey,

535
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Speaker 1: carr uh Coy Smiths, and they cool we had We

536
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: had a pretty tough squad too, but it was one

537
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: of those things. Man, we're going back and forth when

538
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 1: that happened. Should we had stopped the game forty five minutes,

539
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: watch the ice glass. Our baby had take showers, and

540
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: my man Corey came out and went on a three

541
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: point barrage. Corey came out and hit like four straight threes.

542
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: Man just opened the game. But we end up winning

543
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: by seventy three. And and they drug tested me feverishly.

544
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: Gotta be on something right, something right. Everything came back clean. Kids.

545
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: I was just on state milk and broccoli, broccoli. I mean,

546
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta obviously a chance to play at

547
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: the highest level and play for a championship, but that

548
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: ain't c double a tournament and special and I like

549
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Everything's on one. And you know how basketball

550
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 1: is amazing. Might not be your night right with them

551
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: shot don't go in. And now you got Bellmont beating

552
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: cancers or something like that. You know what I'm saying.

553
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: So it's intense. Tell me about when y'all was getting

554
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: ready to go up against Aim. We saw, yeah, that's

555
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: what eliminated. Yeah, we got the Atlanta. We had to

556
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: do practice and media, and I saw they probably don't

557
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: know if they remember this so long ago, man, but

558
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: I saw that just got done doing a little interview,

559
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: and I was just walking past these guys. I saw

560
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: Ai walking with Othella Harrington and Jerome Williams, and I'm

561
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: looking like, dang, bro, these dudes tall as hell. That's

562
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: some good dunk bait right there. But a man like

563
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: that was some of the best college basketball ever that

564
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 1: year because you had I think Ray was in Yukon

565
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: and like it was. It was a lot of guys

566
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: around putting in work and we went and played the game.

567
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: Talking about physical like it's like John John Thompson got

568
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: arrested him. Man, nothing but these Africans, bro, and he

569
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: was coming off three four at a time, off the best.

570
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: They pressing the whole game. Jo Heidi White, bubble Car,

571
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: I'll Victor page Um like just Othella, they're just hitting

572
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: you all night and just just cooking. Chuck Well, Jason

573
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: Martin was guarding j ended up following out, but he

574
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: was they was putting him on the line. We couldn't

575
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: touch you. We couldn't like, don't no, disrespected to nothing.

576
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: He's he's one of the greatest. But that particular game

577
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: to look at, we couldn't touch him. He got all

578
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: his basically there throws. So we did a good job.

579
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: We just kept fired when they kept blowing the whistle.

580
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: We think we were following. It is what it is.

581
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: And then it's funny because you look at some of

582
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: these college scores now and they're like in the fifties

583
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: and forties and fifties, that game we lost ninety and

584
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: regulation And I mean, so you just showed you the

585
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: type of h's going. So after a successful college career,

586
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: you go undrafted, bounced around your first two seasons head overseas.

587
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: How did you stay positive? Uh and focused? Before you know,

588
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: before you really got a chance to find your footing

589
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I just knew the work man I

590
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: was putting in. You know, it's a legendary scout. My

591
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: man B. J. Johnson, who passed away a couple of

592
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: years back, worked for the Rockets his entire career. Used

593
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: to help work out me and my roommate. They came

594
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: out of Texas Tech a year before I did, a

595
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: guy by the name of Mark Davis got drafted by Minnesota.

596
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: But in terms of myself again, we talked about it earlier,

597
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: man like having almost lost my life in my neighborhood

598
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: or black way from my house and then seeing what

599
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: happened to my man like, I was like, dude, this

600
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna figure itself out at some point. I just

601
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: gotta keep putting in the work. And uh, I never

602
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: came into this game feel like I was old anything Like,

603
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't the top sixth grader in the nation and

604
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: nothing like that. I didn't come through the au Sister.

605
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: Just again, we just got out out the blood. Man.

606
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: So it's just I knew it was amount of time.

607
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: And my aunt, who was a parole officer at the

608
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: time in Houston, she's since retired. She was living by herself,

609
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: wasn't married, no kids, had like a three bedroom cribs.

610
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: I would go down to Houston work out in the

611
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: summertimes that fond Di Rec Center at West Side Tennis

612
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: Club where the Rockets was practicing at that time, and

613
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: playing pick up with Sam ci Cell, Robert or Nick Mannick,

614
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: all these who's who are basketball and me and Sam

615
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: cra Cell got real tight and uh stayed in touch.

616
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: And so when I got back from Spain, Sam had

617
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: worked this way into a position with George Carter where

618
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: George let him like bring a player in, like bring

619
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: a player in the somebo league training anybody out there

620
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: you think we should be, you know, looking at he

621
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: mentored my name and so shout out to saying himself man.

622
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: He allowed me to establish myself and get my footing

623
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: under George Carl and play summer league in loan Beats

624
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: and our team with Jerome pool Allen skipped to my

625
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: little ray bass myself tractor trailing Tim Thomas so and

626
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: and we we did well. I did well individually and uh,

627
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean I went to training camp there were no

628
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: more guaranteed contracts left and uh I mean no no

629
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: more spots every day at fifteen guarantees. Yeah, it was

630
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: just this tall white kid, uh, Paul Grant from University

631
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin, I think it was Wisconsin was from. And

632
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: I had to beat him him and and he had

633
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: they old him like I think two or three more

634
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed money. And shout out to George man,

635
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: George Carl wave and gave me that spot. And so

636
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: y'all had a dog. Tell I mean Ray Island sample

637
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: big Dog. How nice this big dog? Because I don't

638
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: think he gets enough credit for how just skilled you are.

639
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: It's crazy, man. I hope they put his number up

640
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: in those rafters and in the fiser form at point

641
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: bro like he yeah, big dog man. He the first

642
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,479
Speaker 1: one that man. And you know again, information right, and

643
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: and people could put something in your brain that sparked

644
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: your brain and they bust through a ceiling that everybody

645
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: gets to benefit from from that point forward. And Dog

646
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: was first one talking about hundred million. Remember that when

647
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: he was coming out and question what you want, dog,

648
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: I want to hunt a million. And now look where

649
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: we are. You know what I'm saying and pushing up

650
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: on three hands down, and you talking about man that

651
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: average twenty points per game for ten straight years his

652
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: first ten years in the league. And I still talked

653
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: to him today. He's down Atlantic chilling, um, doing very

654
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: very well. Um, going crazy in the weight room. Um,

655
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: still busting down a couple of tracks or two. Yeah,

656
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: I gotta get with you on the show. We need you. Yeah,

657
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: it was a problem totally. And you know, Ray was

658
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: cool and and Sam obviously that's my brother, all of

659
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: them my brothers, man, And that was just a beautiful experience, man,

660
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: just even Skip and Michael Red and Tim Thomas, like

661
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: the dudes. That was a young Mike read right. Yeah, Yeah,

662
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: that was a good time. That's a really good team, man.

663
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: It's a lot of talent. Two thousand one playoff run

664
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee against and they knock out again again. Talk

665
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: about that. I mean it was crazy, man, But I

666
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: think it was like a game six was the Eastern Final.

667
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: But but this is a key element in this, in

668
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: this this story, it's like Scott Williams, who who had

669
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: a hell of a playoff run individually for our team.

670
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: He's another one that was on that team and he

671
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: had a flavoring file which he didn't get thrown out

672
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: of the game for, but got suspended the game seven.

673
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: And you know, playoffs are about matchups like and that's

674
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: that's the thing I think that's always uh made me

675
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: stand out with coaches like I'm I'm I'm really about

676
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: what's best for the team. Because that year we played

677
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: Team making them in the first round and that's when

678
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: it was best to five. We end up beating them

679
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: three one. We played Charlotte and I didn't play to

680
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: the end of the last two games really of that series,

681
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: that first round in two thousand one. Then we go

682
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: to Charlotte. They got Mash burned that young B D two,

683
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: Young d D, Ricky Davis, Elden Campbell, Oldest Thorpe d

684
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: C was on that team. Derrick Coleman. I start that

685
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: series because they need somebody to guard Mash. We get

686
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: up to Olden. When we get to Philly, we end

687
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: up beating Charlotte in seven games. We get the Philly

688
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: and they got tyre on Hill and all these kim Bays.

689
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: So again I go to a more reduced role. Scotti

690
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: and irvare doing airthing. Sam dog Dog missed the shot

691
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: that really could have sealed the series for us, going

692
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: back to Milwaukee that he's made in the sleep just

693
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: short baseline jump. But again fast forward and Philly was playing.

694
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: They had a Eric Snow and um rajah Bell, all

695
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: these guys, you know they had. They had a strong

696
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: team and built around Ai and Uh. Once we got

697
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: to the game seven, Scotty had BENCINSSII got worried he

698
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: was suspended. I started, and me being the energizer by

699
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: they know I'm gonna do boom boom boom. It was crazy.

700
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: I got three straight files in a row were in

701
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: game seven. I mean they elbowing, they were throwing it.

702
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: They ain't calling that. But then three with files in

703
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: a row, so I'm out of the game. Immediately hit him, uh,

704
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 1: Jason Caffee and we try to compete, but by that time, man,

705
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: it was just it was such a dark cloud. Is

706
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: based on Scottie suspension, and it was totally unfair. And

707
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: I guess the league thought they did what was best

708
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: for you know, what was right at the time. But

709
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: we felt like we got screwed a little bit in

710
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: that situation. But it was crazy, and you know, just

711
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: for a and they limped into that finals against the Lakers. Man,

712
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: they were banked us and then the world and like

713
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: and we that year, our two thousand one team in Milwaukee,

714
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: we had beaten the top four teams in the West.

715
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: We had beaten the Lakers twice, s Antonio twice, you

716
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: talked twice, Sacramento twice. So we we felt like we'd

717
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: have got to the Framals. Bro that was good. Yeah,

718
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: so a lot a lot of things are for a

719
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: circle when it is meant to be. You know, you

720
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: come back and you win the championship. How was that feeling?

721
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: Man extreme? That was even more gratifying than when they

722
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: won as a player, you know what I'm saying, Like

723
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: the thing that made Detroit beautiful And though four was

724
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: the type of team we had, um the camaraderie, the

725
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: brotherhood amongst all of us, Um that that was that

726
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: made that extremely special. But to actually see you know,

727
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: you put your wits on a piece of paper and

728
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: then put that turn that piece of paper into court

729
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: real court activity. And then uh working with coach Bud

730
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: and the rest of our staff and being a lead

731
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: assistant like just and and engage in the players. You know,

732
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: guys get in their feelings about certain things, whether it's

733
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: a rotation or I don't know, just this. They may

734
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: not be playing well for stretches and you gotta go

735
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: in there and you gotta be that mediator because coach

736
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: but he's got to worry about the team and its

737
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: entirety and coaching his star players. And sometimes you've got

738
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: people that starting their role, they may not get access

739
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: to him as they should, and so they start feeling

740
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: a certain type of way. So being able to be

741
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,959
Speaker 1: that that guy that's that that standing there in front

742
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: of bus or there's a bulletproof vest and uh so

743
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: he can do his job and help us all and

744
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: um collaborated. Just it made it that much more special

745
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: man to win one. As a coach, bro, it's like

746
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: everything we ham around these coaches meetings and having the

747
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: right team, and it was. It was phenomenal, Bro, it was.

748
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: It was way more gratifying and knowing that I have

749
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: been there in twenty years previous the old one and

750
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: we came up short in game seventi East of Commence Finals,

751
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: and then they also know that they hadn't won a

752
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: championship in fifty years and seventy one, so you've got

753
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: all these blocks of time that that you know, just

754
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: incrementally just making you know, steps towards retiet, reclaiming that

755
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: ultimate goal. And it was an NBA championship. So it

756
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: was beautiful. I love the city. The people treat me

757
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: with with you know, hold me in the high reguard,

758
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: treated me treated me like a king, still do to

759
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: this day. And UM, it's been great. The last four

760
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: years have been great. I think one thing you touched

761
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: on that is underestimated and not everyone can do it.

762
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: And another reason why I think you're gonna have a

763
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be a grind, but it's gonna

764
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: be a real grind is because that communication that you have,

765
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: that the bulletproof vest she said you had to be for.

766
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: But there's not a lot of people like you said that.

767
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: They'll either sugarcoat the bullshit or they're they're too you know,

768
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they're too much that middle ground and your

769
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: your ability to be able to communicate with players, I

770
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: think is a lost art, especially because these kids are

771
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: a lot different than we were, way different. So to

772
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: be able to understand how to talk to each of

773
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: them different, to get the best out of them, to

774
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: get them to be on the same accord, it's really

775
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: a special gift, absolutely, man, Because I mean, you ask

776
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: Bobby Porters, Guy's Brook Lopez, you ask Chris Milton, you

777
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: can ask p J. Tucker, Hell, you can ask the

778
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: Marcu's cousins. I'm gonna shoot straight. I'm straight man like,

779
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do it no other way.

780
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: And again, it's not gonna be silly where I'm trying

781
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: to sugarcoat what I'm trying to say through comedy or

782
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: sarcasm a thing like that. And it's not gonna be

783
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: abuse it or abrasive where I'm trying to telling you

784
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: you know you ain't ship you this, this, that and

785
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: the third. No, it's gonna be a business conversation, you know,

786
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: built around based in fact, live and direct. Why you coach?

787
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: Why are you on me? Come come sit with me?

788
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: Hit the remote? Are you seeing what I'm saying? Because

789
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: if you're not, and it's blatantly right there on the film,

790
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 1: not yet, because not, you're delusional, you know what I'm saying.

791
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: It's a difference between being disagreeable or disagreeing, I should say,

792
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: and being delusional. Like there as certain times where you

793
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: can like, oh I will coach. I don't know, I

794
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: don't think. But if it's something that's just blade you

795
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: just turning and walking back on defense not getting back,

796
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: or you just let your man walk right by you

797
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: get off as rebound put back, stuff like that is

798
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: just like come on, fam And again, just because you

799
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: disagree doesn't mean you have to be this agreeable, you

800
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's that's the other thing Man,

801
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: communication is huge. Man, it's every there's a lack of it.

802
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: Jumping back into your plane career, you get a chance

803
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: to go home and sign with the Pistons. Um a

804
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: part of the Best five A Live. We had sheet

805
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: over here yesterday about what was that opportunity like to

806
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: be able to go home to your hometown win the championship? Man,

807
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: it was great. Man. Detroit is like being from sagging

808
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: on Flint Detroit, that all those cities on the same

809
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: line seventy five, the highway that goes north from south

810
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: through that state. A lot of friends and loved ones

811
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: in Detroit Flint side. But being able to go back

812
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: there with the type of team they had at that

813
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: point in the history I had with those cats, Like

814
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: I've known Courtless since junior college and when I wasn't

815
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: spending some time in Arkansas playing pick up ball with

816
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: him and Scottie Thurmont, Scotty Scottie Thurmont, big nasty, Uh,

817
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: just in and knowing Sheed. You know I'm saying since

818
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: my rookie year, Jeff met she through Jeff McGuinness. Um,

819
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: that's another funny story. Uh, and then becoming brothers with

820
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: him as well, and let's story. Oh, no doubt. So

821
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: when we're in Portland, this is like the summer nineties.

822
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: Six and Jeff were Jeff and our rookies together. So

823
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: I hit Jeff like, man, what you got going on?

824
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going to she crib Man his family town.

825
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: They're doing a big meal. You want me to stop by?

826
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: You can come? I said, no, dude, you would calling

827
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: ask him and said, I only just be showing up,

828
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: like you're not doing straight, trust trust me call him.

829
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: So I think he reached out to him. He said

830
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: he did with no one, Jeff Jeff Man. He knew that,

831
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: he knew the lay of the land. So we go

832
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: to She's house and then we end up leaving there

833
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: and meet him and Jeff jumping. You know. She used

834
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: to push that Bronco everywhere, pushed the Broncos. End up

835
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: at Gary Trent Crib. So then I forge the relationship

836
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: with g t. It was I just had dinner with

837
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: this year in Milwaukee as well. Um, and that's how

838
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: we met and we we we just bonded. Bro. We

839
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: got we got smashed that night. Yeah, and they ended

840
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: up seeing that to take us straight to shoot around. Yeah. Yeah,

841
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: Trent crib he got the big video screen. They playing,

842
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: uh some game. I'm not big in the video game.

843
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: I think they were playing the the NBA game or something. Man,

844
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: But dude, you're talking about and again to just still

845
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: be able to vibe and talk and communicate and have

846
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: just just break brad sessions with these guys all the

847
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 1: way back then that way and then again Ben Wallace

848
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: my brother from another mother here and now in that

849
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: same class of being undrafted in ninet, just me being

850
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: Chucky Atkins, Eric Strickland and Adrian Griffin, five guys who

851
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: made them open to day rosters in n six without

852
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: being drafted whoever career. So Ben and I, you know

853
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: we met and Wahedton my second year in the league,

854
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, with Bernie and still brothers to this day.

855
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: I still talked to Ben Bench still doing great, um so,

856
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: and knowing Chauncey and Rip and Lindsay Hunter. Lindsay and

857
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: I played on that two thousand one team in Milwaukee together.

858
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: Um So, it's just all these little different relationships within

859
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: that environment to go along with being back at home

860
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: and being at the top of the food champ. So

861
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,479
Speaker 1: that was that was great. It was an awesome time.

862
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: How big was a Chance Finals MVP Mr Big Shot

863
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: Hi did done but seeing his praises on a very

864
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: very balanced team, very talented team. But it was chance.

865
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: When you're doing construction, you have an excavation process right

866
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: where you have to later foundation and make sure that

867
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: the land is stable underneath what you're gonna build. That

868
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: was Bill Wallace. Then Wallace built that foundation with the

869
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: mentality had He was no nonsense, quiet, knew how to

870
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: have fun outside of the environment, outside of the building.

871
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: But when you when he came in that business, all business. Chauncey,

872
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: I would say, was the guy that you put the

873
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: blueprint together and not you know how the different bedrooms

874
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: gonna look, how to where the pool gonna be at,

875
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: and where the man came and where do she shared?

876
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, Chauncey is the guy

877
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: that's gonna make that thing really pop. And that's why

878
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: it all worked. And then you had real Ta Shawn

879
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: and you know she we can end up getting sheet

880
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season, which I thought Atlanta

881
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: was crazy, bro, because when we got she from Atlanta,

882
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 1: you was on that team. Al Harrington was Jason Terry

883
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: was there, but I just remember of y'all, like if

884
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: I said that when Antoine Walker was with y'all, we

885
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: had it was tasted Terry Alan Henderson, Okay, as we had.

886
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, if they had a game that had a chance,

887
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: like man, it was like that y'all got there. It

888
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: was like a wholesale and they actually got a good team.

889
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: But I guess Alan and antoineam came that next year

890
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: or whatever. But yeah, dude, like getting she when we

891
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: got him, everybody just thinking it's not gonna work because

892
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: he was so misunderstood. And you actually, anybody ever played

893
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: with she coach, She been around. She top shelf human

894
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: being man, top shelf human being man like for real,

895
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: straight up. So he came in and I was kind

896
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: of the conduit because he really didn't know nobody on

897
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: the team. I knew him from all those years and

898
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: we had remained in contact, and so boom, I said, dude,

899
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: he said, what's up with what's up with Ben? I said, dude,

900
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: You're gonna love that. Dude, y'all just to like your

901
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: personality is a little different, but y'all really just to

902
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: like him. Boom, we all hit it. Man, connector like

903
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: vote tron Man. It was a beautiful experience Old Folk

904
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: Finals with the leakas. What do you remember about playing

905
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: Cob and Shot? They was beefing, That's what I remember.

906
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: Like it was like it was not not on a

907
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: personal tip per se ourn't every day with him, but

908
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: you could see on the court of energy, the energy

909
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: wasn't right. And I mean we were we were just

910
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: geek and I know she was. She was ready to

911
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: kill Karl alone, and uh, you know, Carl's one of

912
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: the greats, and but she was ready to make its

913
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: opportunity to make his mark. And g P shout out

914
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: to my fellow Leo. GP came and it just their

915
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: mix and then them trying to play the triangle, like

916
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: it was just something just seem a little bit off

917
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: with that squad. We just went out there and like

918
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna lock the grass up and do what we

919
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: need to do, and that's what happened. But I just

920
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: remember that team, the energy around that team in particular

921
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: being you know, between Shot and Kobe on the court,

922
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: it just didn't seem right. Something was a little bit off,

923
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: like one of them had a ball, the other one

924
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: ain't looking right. And not just going there and when

925
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: you got the ball and then he ain't going as

926
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: hard like like somebody blow by you and he ain't

927
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: gonna come block the shot or you block the shot.

928
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna v BackBox out and get the rebound.

929
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: Like you can see that. You know basketball, you know

930
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: what you're watching. You pick up on stuff like that quick. Yeah,

931
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: And they didn't have an answer for Chauncey at all,

932
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: at all, at all. It was different I've experienced in

933
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: mad experience it. What was your experience in the feeling

934
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 1: you had when that buzzer sounds on you the NBA

935
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 1: champions You're the best in the world, the best feeling

936
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: in the world. I'm telling you, it's the best feeling

937
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: in the world. Bro. It's just like you locked together

938
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: in history, on the right side of history for all time. Bro.

939
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: Like I had it saying, you know, everybody gets to

940
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: make money, very few get to make history. You get

941
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: to make history. Bro. That that's like, long after we're

942
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: going they're gonna be talking about those teams all we're

943
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: a part of. You know what I'm saying, They're gonna

944
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: have a moment in time and whether it's coming back

945
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: if you're blessed to be around that long years later.

946
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean that's when you really feel it and you

947
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: go back and you look at those old reels and

948
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: all those uh, all those just memories, man, memories, that's

949
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: just just sketched in the time. Man, that's that's not

950
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: going in wherever you decided to hang it up in

951
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: two thousand five? When did you know it was time? Hell?

952
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: When I when I started, uh sounding like a bowl

953
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: of rice Christmas when I got out of bed, snaps man,

954
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: bro like I knew old five. I'm like, dude, I

955
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: gotta chill like. I had seven surgeries throughout my career

956
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 1: world like, broke my nose twice, broke both hands, scopes

957
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: on my knees, broke my foot. After I was done

958
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: as a as a coach, I tore my achilles playing

959
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: pick up with my son, so did he crossed? I

960
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: actually went up to block a shot jack. I was

961
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: clas classica. I got a little petty though. So this

962
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: little dude was playing at the Y m C. A

963
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: and buckhead Man in Atlanta, right there off Moor's Mill,

964
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: and uh dude picked my son and it was like

965
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: the top ball game for game and I sprinted down

966
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: and went up and blocked the shot toward mykilling. He

967
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: blocked it though I blocked it. He blocked it though.

968
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: You had to roll me away, but I got my

969
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: last highlights. Yeah, so you know, we're gonna tell me

970
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: that sake it off. There, you good, sake it off.

971
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: Damn favorite part of retirement. But the hardest part about

972
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 1: just kind of walking away from the game as a player.

973
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: I think the favorite part of it is just, you know,

974
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: people understand the preparation that goes into uh trying to

975
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, prepare for NBA season. Man, the work you

976
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: gotta put into your body, the constant training, um, it'll

977
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: wear on you. Man, it grinds your body down. And

978
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: then you talk about the actual activity physically of engaging

979
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: other bodies on the court, getting hit all those hits

980
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: over time. You know, obviously football is not to the

981
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: degree of football, but I think basketball is the hardest

982
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: sport because it's physical, and it's fast and no paths

983
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: and so and you're leaving, you're leaving the ground like repeatedly,

984
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: you're jumping, you're running, you you slide, hit diving, diving

985
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: on the floor. So it's one of those things where

986
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: it's just like, man, dude, like that was that felt good?

987
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: And I have to go through that, um. But the

988
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: thing is you just missed the level of competition. Yeah,

989
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: that's it. That's what got me back and like wanting

990
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: to coach and do all that because you missed that hunger.

991
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: You missed being a part of something like I'm a

992
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: part of this situation and we're about to go show

993
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: that other situation where they ain't on our level. And

994
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: that's the whole spirit of competing. And and that's the

995
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: thing that you missed. Fatherhood. You've got two children. What's

996
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 1: the best part of fatherhood for you? Man? It's all

997
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: three boys, Donovan and Dominic like you you the best

998
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: part of it is really just seeing them little matchurations

999
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: I got three grand babies. You're a grandfather, big daddy,

1000
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: big daddy. So it's it's it's one of those things man,

1001
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: where it's just like it's real, bro, Like it's it's

1002
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: really real. You see yourself and these guys and the

1003
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: information you've given them. Like my oldest he's out here

1004
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: work in Summer League with Cleveland, and my middle don

1005
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: he just got hired into the Bucks. He worked in

1006
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: the G League with the Wisconsin Heard the last couple

1007
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: of years, and now the Bucks just hired hired him

1008
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: into their video room. My youngest has two years as

1009
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: your ability left at the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee, so

1010
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna be playing Do you want basketball right down

1011
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: the street? Yes, And so it's just a blessing. Man.

1012
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: My wife d and you know, we've been together, we

1013
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: met at Texas Tech, been together all these years. Bro.

1014
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: Just she's yeah, she's a rock. She's a foundation. That

1015
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: that that really it's the crazy glue of of everything ups, downs, good,

1016
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: bad and different. She's been a real one. She's been

1017
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: a real and that's my ride to die, my life partner.

1018
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: And if the aby to see your kids become adults

1019
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: and people and productive and like that's the best feeling

1020
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: in the world. Absolutely, absolutely your hard work, you know

1021
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like to see your kids grow into

1022
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: and to be productive and and to do something good

1023
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: like that's that's really all you work for. Anything that

1024
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: happens when they walk out the house any day, anything

1025
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: can happen to us any day. But to see that

1026
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: you've done right and protected them, engaging the right tools

1027
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: to be successful and to see adulthood. That's that's clearly

1028
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: what we work for. Bro. Yeah, it's it's just it's

1029
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: it's balancing what you're telling them from a spiritual standpoint

1030
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: and a discipline standpoint with what they're receiving out in

1031
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: the world. And you don't want that world's voice to

1032
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: be bigger than yours, bigger or louder, or more impactful

1033
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: on them than yours. You have to give them, like again,

1034
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: a good fund day. I had great parents. My mother

1035
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 1: Mrs ham Magzie, now she just got she got remarried

1036
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: years back. But my father, how and him, my mother

1037
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: and women are man. They raised my older brother Deronnie,

1038
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: my younger sister Detoya in the best fashion in the

1039
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 1: middle Like we weren't in the projects, but we weren't

1040
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: upper middle class either. My dad worked at General Motors,

1041
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: my mom as a school teacher, and we were in

1042
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: church all the time. But that neighborhood. So when the

1043
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: neighborhood got out of neighborhood gout of control, we already

1044
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: had the equipment to kind of shield that stuff off.

1045
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: But sometimes again, getting off my porch and walking a block,

1046
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: anything could happened, as it did to me. Getting shot.

1047
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's real, man. But again, your your kids. Man,

1048
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: what you're putting into your children, you gotta be able

1049
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: to equip them. It's not you teaching them how to

1050
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: do something just so they won't get on your nerves.

1051
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 1: You have to teach them stuff that's gonna stay with them,

1052
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: and that's gonna equip them to withstand everything that they're

1053
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: gonna go through once to leave, because they leave your building,

1054
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: your home, that's when you're teaching is gonna come into effect.

1055
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: Not just them being quiet and doing chores and making

1056
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Speaker 1: sure they ain't too loud and all of that. No,

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Speaker 1: when they hit that door, whatever you didn't taught them,

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00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: it's got to bring. Man. This has been a great interview.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna finish up with quick hits. But before we

1060
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: finish up with quick hitters, that's your solo camp right there. Sure,

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Speaker 1: what should Laker fans expect from your Laker team this

1062
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: upcoming season? Competing at a high level. Again, we're gonna

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00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: be together. The most together team always does well, always

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Speaker 1: wins at the end of the day. And accountability and uh,

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00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna be tough. We're gonna be defensive, minded that's

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00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: the side of the ball where you're gonna see the

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00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: quickest and most drastic improvement. And we're gonna share offensively.

1068
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: And again we're gonna we want everybody all in on

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00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: what we're doing. Like, we don't want anybody that the

1070
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: second guess and you know, being a laker or is it?

1071
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: Am I in the right place for this? And this

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00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: that in the third if the season started today, I'm

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00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: totally comfortable with the roster I have. Um. I love

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00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: the individuals that I'm going to get, the coach. I

1075
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: think we're putting together a beautiful staff, um, and every

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00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 1: day we're gonna work to get better. So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: make sure we're putting the product out there that you

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00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: guys can enjoy and be proud of. Definitely on the

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00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: list to see this is definitely I got two more spots.

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00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: I gotta feel. And so we'll see what happens, man,

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Speaker 1: We'll see what five dinner against Dead alive? Five dinner

1082
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: against dead or alive? Man, I have to say, Muhammad

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00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: Ali uh Bruce Lee m hm, that's the first. Pam

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00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: Grier Man young Pam from Foxy Brown Man, who's the

1085
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: last too? Then I would love to talk to Tupac.

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01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: I would love to talk to poc Man. And I

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01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: think the fifth one. What's the kid that made Twitter? Zuckerberg? Yeah?

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01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: Facebookbok Facebook No? No? No? Facebook is Mark? Is Mark Zuckerberg? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I would I would love to have him at dinner

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01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: and asking was it all really worth it? Was it

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01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: all really worth it? And I would ask Muhammad Ali

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01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: about what he went through them when they took his title?

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01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: How was those two three four years where you couldn't

1094
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: compete at what you loved? Bruce Lee? Like your discipline,

1095
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: like Foxy Brown? How was it being a beautiful black

1096
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: woman being reduced kind of the black exploitation movies and

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01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: not really getting your chance at that high, high level?

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01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: And Tupac again, how does it feel for you to

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01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 1: start one way and do a one eight and now

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01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: with you're spewing it on these records actually ultimately end

1101
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: up costing you your own So it would be a

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01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: reason why I have these people love it. What makes

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01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: you honest different? It's hunger Man. You look at the

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01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: story man they he and his brother, the Nazi is

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01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: his family, what they've gone through, bro, he just that's

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01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: with him forever. And he's a tireless worker. He's built

1107
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: like the tools he has is physically his length, his

1108
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: size is athleticism, his balance, his ability to recover. Like

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01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: he hyper extended his knee and we thought, damn it's over.

1110
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: We see our hold trophy go before he came back.

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01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: He came back. When you look at that and slow

1112
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: motion and see what his knee did like. But again

1113
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: that's a testament to him, the work he puts in

1114
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: on his body, him constantly work on his game. That

1115
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: jump shot is gonna go contain, need to go in

1116
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: and go in at a higher clip as he gets older. Um,

1117
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: and the type of person he is. Man, he's the

1118
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: most humble elite player I've ever been around in my life.

1119
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: Like like he's humble. He doesn't bring He has fun

1120
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: on social media, use it like that, but nothing like

1121
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: he don't dump on nobody else, hate on nobody else.

1122
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He's he's respectful and thankful

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01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: for everything he gets. And he works his tail off

1124
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: man every day, every single day. Nobody plays harder to him, Nobody,

1125
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: no animal. What album can you listen to with no skips? Album?

1126
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: With no skips? There's a couple of them, Theomatic two

1127
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: days in a row, Tupac Me against the World, Big

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01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: He Ready to Die, Uh, the Chronic Dr Dre, Ninja

1129
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: for Life and Waking Myself Now and then my my favorite,

1130
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: my go to bro Eric being Rock Him Paid Bron.

1131
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody told me what was the best

1132
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: era hip hop? Right? And I go by albums. I

1133
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: think from no disrespect to anybody before I after, but

1134
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: I think from when paid and Full dropped the same

1135
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: I got shot all the way up to Big released

1136
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: Life after Death. It's ninety seven seven nine seven. I

1137
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: started first hearing Paiding Full in eighty seven, So from

1138
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: Paiding Full I was telling yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that

1139
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 1: was a hell of a running rap. Oh dude, every

1140
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,959
Speaker 1: and everything between you know, wa Wu tang I jumped

1141
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: off the porch. The R and B was just as dope.

1142
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: R and B B. What happened to R and B? Bro?

1143
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: What happened to R and B? I don't know, but

1144
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: the damn sure wasn't on that versus that the first

1145
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: thing you're doing the morning, last thing you're doing night,

1146
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: first thing I do in the morning. I thank god, man,

1147
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: I thank god man. It's hard for me to have

1148
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: a bad day when you start off like that. So

1149
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: when I open my eyes and take that breath. So

1150
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: I made it, they asked in trouble again, Like made it.

1151
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: And the last thing I do at night, man, it's

1152
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: probably I may watch a documentary on YouTube, hang out

1153
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: with the wife, kick back with her false sleep, talking

1154
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: to her something. Um, I'm making a point. After I

1155
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: wake up, hits, get ready to lead a house and

1156
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: give a kiss, tell he our love her. Um, have

1157
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: a great day, and then at nighttime, just kind of

1158
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,439
Speaker 1: doze off. Man, a big cigarfish. You're not all smoke

1159
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: like My Churchill's my monte Cristo. So yeah, man, it's

1160
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: it's it's just an easy life. It's it's it's its own. Yeah.

1161
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: Blast totally blast. But then you know you don't bring

1162
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: nothing on yourself that you're not gonna be a black Yeah.

1163
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: So I just stay low key, stay out the way, man,

1164
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: and make sure my people are good. Yeah. U plus

1165
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: four in y'all prime on the basket on the black top,

1166
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: on the black you might have to fight. You might

1167
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: have definitely, Sam to sell. Definitely, she give me some

1168
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: ship talking, Oh my god, in the in the best way, Um,

1169
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: you said on the black top, though people understand that

1170
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: the hardwood is different from the black black tops with

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01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: the real it ain't no matter the texts that God

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01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: rest the dead, give me my man, Anthony Mason. Um

1173
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: so sam me she Anthony Mason and then um got

1174
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: three bullies. I'm going Mario Ellie shout out to Rio Riolly, Yeah,

1175
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: I like that. We're gonna We're gonna win games and

1176
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: beat your ass. That's my guy. However, you wanted one

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01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: message on the billboard for the world to see word message. Wow,

1178
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: that's another good one. Oh deep man, you've been dropping,

1179
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: You've been dropping gyms, all interviews, just one of them

1180
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:36,959
Speaker 1: on the billboard. I would say this, man, Um, don't

1181
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: ever think you any greater or any lesser than anyone,

1182
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: because we're all human beings first, m You're no greater,

1183
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: no lesser than anyone, because we're all human beings first

1184
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 1: and irregardless of all the political madness. The only thing

1185
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: that separates us, it's our gender and that's it. That's it.

1186
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: That's anything that separates us. Man. Everyone has two ears,

1187
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: one nose, one that's it. Bro. So remember you're a

1188
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: human being first through it all, So have compassion, half respect,

1189
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: show love because what you put in the universe so

1190
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,439
Speaker 1: don't come back to you. You better believe it. Either

1191
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: hug you or slap you in the face. So God

1192
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: bless you all. Man, appreciate the time, fellas. If you

1193
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: could see one guest from the Lakers on all the smoke,

1194
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: who would it be? But you have to help them,

1195
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: help us, you know, get so that's why Jack got

1196
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: a crush on it. My man. Now I don't have

1197
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,959
Speaker 1: to be from the Lakers. Yes, it does. The team

1198
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to trying to do. You see what I'm

1199
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: trying to do't Ronnie? That's crazy. You might be you

1200
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: might you might be able to make that mother. He

1201
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: told me plenty of times you want come on the show.

1202
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: Have you gotta excuse me because I don't be watching.

1203
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: That's all good. We ain't had none of your big

1204
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: three really, not even Russ. I've been working on and

1205
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: they all said they would we just I work out

1206
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: with Ray Westbrook, right you O, brother, motherfucker, let's go.

1207
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: You've been talking about it for a minute. But now

1208
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: that'd be dope. Any of them. We'd appreciate it. Just

1209
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: can you know one thing about d ham too is

1210
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: he's a man of his words. So y'all expect we're

1211
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: gonna make it happen. Man, y'all been to the shop.

1212
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: We're waiting on It's easy. Yeah, we're here. We ready

1213
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 1: before we get out of here. Tunisia, thank you very much.

1214
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 1: She took out for a couple of months while I

1215
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,799
Speaker 1: had I had it with the Clippers. She's with the

1216
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: Lakers now, one of the best in the bides. Thank

1217
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 1: you for making this happen. Jack, you got the gift,

1218
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: But before you give you the gift, man, we just

1219
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: really wanted to man, congratulations. Man, it's been a beautiful

1220
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: Rachel dudes ten years. You've learned from a lot of

1221
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: greats and the sec I think we might even talk

1222
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: about the one on the show the second ye were

1223
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: hirer like, this is exactly It's not gonna be easy,

1224
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: but this is exactly what they need. I appreciate that.

1225
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: And but you know, man, like, every time I see

1226
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: you guys YouTube specifically, it's always love. Man Like, we

1227
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 1: we keep it real, no matter, it ain't gonna be

1228
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of false narratives, just fake were similar

1229
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: fake talking like a lot of these people do um

1230
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: were real live locked in with one another, and we

1231
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: really and we really support each other in a real way.

1232
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. When when the real one

1233
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: making it feel like we made it. Absolutely, you being

1234
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: a coach feel like we coach it. So I'm just

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01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: I'm just happy you in that position. Bro Man, y'all,

1236
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: y'all any time you need me, Bro, Yeah, we're gonna

1237
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: check back in. We're gonna check it back in. It's

1238
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a roller coaster that man. We got something

1239
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: to laugh but leg we appreciate you, man, Man. Thank

1240
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: you Agatting, Darvin Ham, the new head coach Loss are

1241
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: just Lakers you Cattus on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the

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Speaker 1: I Heart platform Black Effects. Absolutely we say you next week.

1243
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. This is all a smoke a

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Speaker 1: production of The Black Effect and Our Heart Radio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Showtime