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Speaker 1: found too, you know, not my pain by drinking, and

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00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: I took it to the extreme. UM. I got arrested,

427
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: got into a bad d UI and even then I

428
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: still had to hit rock bottom. And when I hit

429
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 1: rock bottom, I asked my mom for help. Um. And

430
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: this was always like the memories and the shame of this.

431
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: My mother always felt guilty in a way, so it

432
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: wasn't something that we could speak, of course, out about

433
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: it quite open um. And she asked me to come

434
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: down to paducause she didn't protect you as a parent.

435
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: She felt that way, and of course this was out

436
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: of her control. And when you look at the statistics,

437
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: it's heartbreaking because it's almost like, how can we change

438
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: society's way of of really taking you more accountability? Um,

439
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: And my mother had done ayahuasca. My mother was a

440
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: very conservative women, and so for her to do that,

441
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: and for her to ask me to do that with

442
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: something of of this holy cold um, because I know,

443
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: I mean, she never did drugs and she she was

444
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: a very straight, very square type of person. And so

445
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: coming from her, felt like, all right, what tell everybody

446
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: what ayahuasca is? Because I barely Chelsea Handler told me

447
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: what it was. I still don't totally know, but it

448
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: sounds like your mom was presenting it as something spiritual,

449
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: especially from your Pervian culture, versus like drugs. Okay, you

450
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like a like a ritual. Absolutely. So,

451
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: ayahuasca is actually a tree that grows in the Amazon

452
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: and what what you would call it shamans or we

453
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: call it priest or priestesses from the area. But they

454
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: have developed it's actually and they believe in a lot

455
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: of potions. They believe I mean in way of harmony

456
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: with environment. You know, they cure themselves with natural medicine.

457
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: So Ayahuaska if anything is a little bit of an

458
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: extension of a natural medicine, is it. There's the root

459
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: of a tree that you ferment and what in a

460
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: allows you to do if you do it properly, it

461
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: allows you to get into your subconscious and you are

462
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: able to connect to areas that maybe we have shut

463
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: down for you no decades and that it is the truth,

464
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: the true purpose of Ayahuaska. It's a healing medicine. Now

465
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: that you know, you have the range that people have

466
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: taken it into multiple things. But the way that the

467
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: people in the Amazon apply it to you is incredibly

468
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: it's it's incredibly sacred and you have to be in

469
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: ceremony to do it. You have to be prepared. You

470
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: have to go like for example, when we did it,

471
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: I had to be on a on a one month

472
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: diet of you know, no spicy food, no I mean

473
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: no fish, I mean if anything kind of a vegetarian diet,

474
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: no alcohol for you and for your body to be prepared. Absolutely.

475
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god, was it scary? Were you scared I'd

476
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: be terrified to lose control? Was it terrifying for me?

477
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: I was looking for answer, I was looking to see

478
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: I was hoping I was going to find out all

479
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: the people that were creating pain in my life, because

480
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: even at the time, I wasn't willing to, you know,

481
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: take charge of you know, maybe this has to be doing,

482
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, because of my childhood I had the minute

483
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: that I left the US, I had completely just wanted

484
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: to shut down my childhood. I didn't want to see

485
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: anything that reminded me of a little girl because of

486
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: the pain. And so when I was doing Daniel Aluasca,

487
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: I literally I remember wanted to find out who are

488
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: the people that were creating so much challenge, who were

489
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: the ones that were like pulling me down. I wasn't

490
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: willing to take my own responsibility, and so when I

491
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: did the ceremony with both my parents, my mom and dad,

492
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: and a cousin who used to live in the Amazon,

493
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: we did it in a beautiful circle. Yeah, it was

494
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: a very it was a very very healing. It was

495
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: a beautiful Princess Priestess from the Amazon who was just chanting.

496
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: And what it is beautiful about the tea and the

497
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: ceremony is that even as you have and as you

498
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: take the tea, there is this healing chanting that starts.

499
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: That actually is what starts helping you opening up into

500
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: these dark secrets or these dark vaults and couple. And

501
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: so for me, what what really came to me was

502
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: I the first thing that came into my vision was

503
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: me as a little girl on one of the sessions

504
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: of the abuse, shivering on a corner. Oh my god.

505
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: And then I saw myself as an adult, just I

506
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: saw myself as an adult surprise of looking at this

507
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: little girl, and I just went in and I hugged her,

508
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: and I will never forget the feeling and the motion,

509
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: the warmth that this little girl just wanted to be held.

510
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: And as we had that, um, you know, I started

511
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: hearing rumblings and somehow mountains started forming against us, like

512
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: in the in the back of us. And then my

513
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: little girl started pulling me into mountains. And that was

514
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: just the vision that came from me. So it's like

515
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: magical almost, I mean, it's almost like it's it's not

516
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: only that you're opening up things that happened before. You're

517
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: sort of predicting things in the future. You're just like,

518
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: it's like a fortune telling experience. It's fascinating. I mean,

519
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: how long does it take? How long does it last?

520
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: And how do you remember everything? I mean I would

521
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: just imagine it would be so wild. Um, the experience lasted.

522
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean we started around one am through five for

523
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: four in the morning. Uh. And it was I mean,

524
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, the only some of the down to the

525
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: side effects. People throw up. In my case, I didn't

526
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: throw up at all. Um, you know it was it

527
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: was just one of these revealing experiences and he just

528
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: left me. Know it just I think it opened up

529
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: the seed. I mean it did both things. It allowed

530
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: me to heal my past, but it also showed me

531
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: my future. Feels like this magic that opens up the

532
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: past but also opened up the future. And so do

533
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: you are you? Um, do you believe in or are

534
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: interested in the world of psychedelics used medically you know

535
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: how people are using like small micro dosing or yes, yes, yes, yes,

536
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: yes I do believe. I mean I am a big supporter,

537
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: especially to treat addiction. Um. And I think if if

538
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 1: done with the propos supervision. It can allow you to

539
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: discover I mean, I mean many people that have done

540
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: a Yowaska that I've spoken with, um, you know who

541
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: did it for similar reasons. I mean, they usually are

542
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: able to connect to that sacred part of themselves. I

543
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: just think, I just think it's very challenging. I mean,

544
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: you possibly can achieve some of these with a lot

545
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 1: of regression therapy, but but you've done properly, and the

546
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: fact that this is an all medicine that it is

547
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: also you know, nature is in the jungle. I mean

548
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: you look at all the properties. I mean, that's usually

549
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: what heals us. That's a fascinating concept. I'm scared because

550
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: I like to be in control, but I would be

551
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: interested in that because I'd like to unlock a lot

552
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: as well. So, um, you are a gay woman who

553
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: enters into a life of climbing mountains, and you have

554
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: created new world records for women. Um, first gay woman

555
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: to climb the Seven Summits, And um, I don't know

556
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: how many women have actually done that to begin with,

557
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: do you. It's you know, we're still under thirty. It's

558
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: very few of us. I mean, it's still up there.

559
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: But you know, like I keep saying, right now, I'm

560
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: the first, I'm the only proven woman who has climate

561
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: sever us. I don't want to be the last. I

562
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: still I'm thinking, how can I bring a much bigger

563
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: group because it just makes a difference. I mean this,

564
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: these stories, I mean not only as a women, as

565
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: a gay women, especially until we have equality. This is

566
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: so important for us to bring it up. I agree.

567
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: And how has first of all two questions, One, how

568
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: has your sexuality played into something that is male driven

569
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: and just a man's sport or you know, adventure. And

570
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: second of all, what is this entail? What does this

571
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: feel like? Like? What kind of training does it take?

572
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: And where do you dig? How deep do you dig?

573
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: And what is it that gets you to continue? Because

574
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: they have to have to have been times where you

575
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: definitely wanted to give up. And people listening here are

576
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: our entrepreneurs, are are aspiring entrepreneurs, and we all know

577
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: that we want to give up and we're too tired

578
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: or people are get sick and have to fight through something.

579
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: So those are the two questions I want to hear

580
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: about that about being a woman in a man's world,

581
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: And then really like what tools to dig deep? And

582
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: and and go and the mind tricks and that kind

583
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: of motivation. Okay, so the first question, you know, being

584
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: a woman, doing you know something about mountaineer and sport

585
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: that is male predominant. I would say, you know, the

586
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: ratio is nighly to ten. Still, um, you know, for

587
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: it's varied. Um. I've had a couple of bad experiences,

588
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: not on Everest but on other mountains in which male

589
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: guides especially got a little bit you know, I don't

590
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: know if they were angry because I was gay, but

591
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: they will start saying things. And your challenge is that

592
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: your life you kind of are going to have to

593
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: be depending on them. So it creates a little bit

594
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 1: of uneasiness on a lot of the situations. I've been

595
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: on such difficulty, you know, I love because I also

596
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: don't look the part. I don't. I'm not the big talker. Um,

597
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: so people tend to undermine me, and I just love that.

598
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm very persistent. I'm kind of like one

599
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: of these quiet leaders and and that has been there's

600
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: a there's a lot of strength on it. I mean,

601
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: I don't under mind anyone. Yeah, well that's interesting because

602
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: Kelly Ripple, who's like a tiny you know, little Pretty

603
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: Woman and Suzanne Summers, who was known as the dumb Blonde,

604
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: are two of the strongest women I've spoken to because

605
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,479
Speaker 1: people didn't see them coming. Yes, So that's a big

606
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: note for women. You know, people don't always have to

607
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: see you, see you coming, and that there's a strength

608
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: in that. There is a strength on the silence. It's

609
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: as long as you know it inside of you, as

610
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: long as you keep trusting while you're there, as long

611
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: as you know that you have worked really hard to

612
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: be on that same expedition. I think that's the part

613
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: that we tend to undermine. It said, everything else is

614
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: outside noise. And then then especially in a lot of mountaineering,

615
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, with Big Man talking about you know, shooting

616
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: ship or this and that, and just like, oh, I've

617
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: done this, I've climbed this, I've conquered this. You know

618
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: it was for me. I just I was never first

619
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: of all, because I never found an attractive So maybe

620
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: that was a place that I wasn't intimidated on that

621
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: degree and I wasn't there looking for a husband. Uh

622
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: So I felt that they just gave me the opportunity

623
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: to just for was on what I was doing and

624
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: ever since I stepped feet on mountains, every since I

625
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: started walking around mountains, to me, mountains have been so sacred,

626
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: they have been so accepting, they have been so inspiring.

627
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: So you know, whenever I'm on an expedition, I'm on

628
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: that particular journey. It's a different mission. Each one is

629
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: different mission. For me, it is a total different Absolutely,

630
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: it's never and it's never. And you in terms of

631
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: the relationship with men, most men are looking at it

632
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: about conquering. They are always about, Okay, well I'm going

633
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: to conquer this peak, and as if the mountain is

634
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: supposed to be subdued to them, which is not the

635
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: way that I look at it. I mean, first of all,

636
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: who am I to conquer something that has been in

637
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: existence for millions of years? If anything, you know, you

638
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: are so tiny, you know, in relevance to just how

639
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: huge these things are that a little windstorm will like

640
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: like kill you. That to me, every time I'm on

641
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: an expedition, there is a connection there, you know. If anything,

642
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: I do my own gratitude, I do my and ceremonies

643
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: in just you know, service and you know, completely in

644
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: in just respect and in actually in a piece of

645
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: cohabitation with nature. Well, you're not. You're talking about being present.

646
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: You're being present, and you're about the journey. You're not

647
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: worried about the destination, and the destination will come if

648
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: you're present through the journey. I guess now, Well, it's

649
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,959
Speaker 1: also more than more More than that is for me,

650
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: is that the attitude I'm not conquering anything. I hate

651
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: that word conquering. I hate the word that you know,

652
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm here to overpower you, and so I already come

653
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: disarmed that way, and in my in my idea, it's almost,

654
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, kind of asking for permission to have the

655
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: chance of standing at the top of these these aspects.

656
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: So so that is my relationship in a lot of expeditions,

657
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: especially with men, you know how how at times, and

658
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: to be fair, I think through mountaineering I've also started

659
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: my healing with a lot of men, especially in Everest. Uh.

660
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: You know, we were there for two months. I mean

661
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: we could have been killed with avalanche at any point,

662
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: so every day you are at a constant risk that

663
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: it could be your last day. So I started developing

664
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: very strong and very powerful and kind relationships that opened

665
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: me up in a world that you know, unfortunately on

666
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: every almost every day to day basis can be a

667
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: little bit more challenging that. But the gender that was

668
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,959
Speaker 1: emotionally abusive to you and physically abusive to you, now

669
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: you've you've you've chosen a whole lifelong journey with a

670
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: sport that puts you to be trapped with men. I

671
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: mean it's literally like, it's crazy. I mean, you're not.

672
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: You didn't put yourself in a place with a bunch

673
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: of women that felt safe with you. You went on

674
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: this journey and now you're with men, which was the

675
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: plight of your existence. It's interesting, I mean, if you

676
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: think about that, yes, and that is proper now. But

677
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: I've been very lucky that the more that I keep climbing,

678
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: the more that I'm able to you know, have a

679
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: bad to better interaction and being able to know that.

680
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: So in terms of that first question, in relationship with man,

681
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: it has been unique. I think that you know, it's

682
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: allowing me to also know how to you know, to

683
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: show up in my own way. I've actually been able

684
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: to appreciate my own strength and know what I can

685
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: bring to the table. Um And to your second question

686
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: about especially for entrepreneurs, you know, the biggest part that

687
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: I have learned in my life is the strength in

688
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: my own vulnerability on those times when I felt that

689
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: I couldn't go any further, especially when allowing myself to cry,

690
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: like having massive breakdowns, but also but also feeling that

691
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: I was going to be okay. That is possibly one

692
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: of the biggest lessons. I mean that. I remember when

693
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: I first when we first started the Everest expedition, there

694
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: was a very famous mountaineer at distress. He's the first

695
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: American man who climbed the tallest fourteen mountains in the

696
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: world without oxygen. And I sat next to him and

697
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: I asked him, you know, ed, what is your biggest

698
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: advice to climb Everest? And he told me, Sylvia, you

699
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: would always have a bad day and please don't quit.

700
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: After that, I thought he was gonna tell me, like,

701
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: make sure that you put the strength forward and make

702
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: sure that you focus on this end, and so those

703
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: sorts of advice. I remember going like, I'm always going

704
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: to have a bad day where you're talking about um

705
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: and so on our way to the summit, we got

706
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: caught up on a storm that almost killed us all.

707
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: Now when you say we, you went with people or

708
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: people you pick up along the way, like you did

709
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: it with people. We are all part of our professional

710
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: expedition and uh and actually when I first started, which

711
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: I talked about it on my book, UM, I was

712
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: the only woman with seven other men. So you can

713
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: imagine I am being like, Okay, this is great. I'm

714
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: gonna be with the seven man and a lot of

715
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: them were you know, talking smack and saying, I guess

716
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: so if you can make it, I'll take a flag

717
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: of you. Blah blah blah blah. A little by little,

718
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: you know, as we started getting you know, started doing

719
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: the different uh rotations in the mountain, three of them

720
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: and they are leaving, you know, got sick. Altitude hit them.

721
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: So by the time we got to push for the summit,

722
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: it was three men and me. So they have to

723
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: go back down, they get rescued out, there's no rescuing,

724
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: Like what happens. You're sick, You're dying, you're up there?

725
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: What what goes on? Like this is so this is

726
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: so scary, well, especially depending as to what station the expedition.

727
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: The very first guy that left, he it was just

728
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: at the very start of climbing the glacier and the

729
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: altitude hit him. He was actually former c I a

730
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: a my six um and he had to be helicopter out.

731
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: The second person ended up pulling a rib cage on

732
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: our way to camp too close to twenty three thousand feet.

733
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: They had to helicopter him out. It was a pretty

734
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: big deal. Um. And so it just depends, I mean,

735
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: up to a certain height, you can be rescued by helicopter,

736
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: which is also very dangerous. If you go over twenty

737
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: four thousand feet, especially once we get closer to seven,

738
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: you can't really be rescued by helicopter. You have to

739
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: be brought down by people mental anxiety and absolutely is

740
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: this about are you in incredible shape? Or it's not

741
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: really only about that, like are you could you run

742
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: a marathon tomorrow like it was nothing? Or it's not.

743
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: It's not like that. I've actually been out of plenty

744
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: mountains since I started writing a book. So but I'll

745
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: tell you I came out of one and I did

746
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: run a marathon two weeks after. And so, uh, it

747
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: can put you in that good shape. I mean, especially

748
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: with Everest. I by the time I got down, I

749
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: think I had loss about twenty pounds. But you know,

750
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: you're constantly carrying weight and you're constantly so it puts

751
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: you in really good shape. But god, but I've been

752
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: off of eason right now, so I'm trying to get

753
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: back in season. Wow, what a mental You're dealing with

754
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: every element. You're dealing with, altitude, you're dealing with, son,

755
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: you're dealing with, cold, you're dealing with But oh my god, Wow,

756
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: you're amazing. This is crazy. That's just extraordinary. Well it's

757
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: such a little it's it's definitely out there. But but

758
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: even continuing to this what you were asking, like, what

759
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: has been my true superpower that I've taken through all

760
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: of these I think my vulnerability, my vulnerability mountains. I

761
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: mean that moment in which you just feel that you

762
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: can't go any further, when you just let yourself feel

763
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: when especially the times that I had been alone, um

764
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: and I just I felt that I couldn't just reculd

765
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: like I remember. I remember in this particular storm, I

766
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: wanted somebody to touch me. I wanted somebody to hug me.

767
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: By the time I found a safe spot, you know,

768
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: we were over twenty five feet, I felt I was

769
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: about to die. Storm is coming in I get into

770
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: my tent. I just needed my mom to come and

771
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: hug me. I just needed I needed that warm I've

772
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: just felt I can't go any further. This is it.

773
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: And I did and there was nobody and the only

774
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: thing that I had inside was my oxygen tank and

775
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: oh god. And so I remember I grabbed my oxygen

776
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: tank and I gave myself that warmth, and that was

777
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: completely just would change everything for me. Like the minute

778
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: that I was able to feel myself and actually in

779
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: the extreme of situations, realizing that I wasn't alone, that

780
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: is what really turned it for me. And and so

781
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: to to the question about the advice, I think, especially

782
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: when you are at that point in which it feels

783
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: that you can't go any further, I think to realize

784
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: and to be able to just reconnect or touch something

785
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: within you, just even feeling the beating heart, it is

786
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: what it's gonna. It's gonna. It's gonna bring you back

787
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: to earth. It's gonna bring you back to like, Okay,

788
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be okay, this is going to pass. It's

789
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: a bad day. And I remember, like the words from

790
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: Ed really hit me there being like this is my

791
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: bad day. This is the worst is going to happen.

792
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: The sun is going to come out. And literally three

793
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: hours later the beautiful sun was out and you were

794
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: able to continue. But it's a moment in time and

795
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: your body can take you, so you have to just

796
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: trust it. So people who have been sexually abused, who

797
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: suffer from addiction, who want to lose weight, who want

798
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: to do something interesting and crazy that no one believes

799
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: that they could ever do, how do you what advice

800
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: do you give to them to change their life make

801
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: a change? Is it something you did something what I

802
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: what I believe to be drastic? You went and took ayahuasca,

803
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: So you know, do you do you think that people

804
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: have to like ignite something like something something has to

805
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: happen for something to happen, like it's not necessarily gradual.

806
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: You might just do something that shocks yourself or you

807
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: know what, what how do you give that a vice?

808
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: You know? My my biggest advice to people is, first

809
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: of all, i'man huge proponent get out in nature. I

810
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: think you know, being able to find you don't need

811
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: to find the tallest mountain in the world, of course,

812
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: if you want to come. But but there is so

813
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: much power about being able to be surrounded in nature,

814
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: to being quiet, to be able to have that sacred

815
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: connection I the other part to me the other the other.

816
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: The other advice that I love to give is just

817
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: trust yourself. If you have that inquiry, if you have

818
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: that question, don't be afraid. I think if we try

819
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: to rely on someone else too, maybe you know, kind

820
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: of become your your support or just being able to

821
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: acknowledge how course you should do this. That's when it

822
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: gets a little tricky because not all not not everybody

823
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: has your back. So I would say, when you have

824
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: that big dream, big calling, don't be afraid of it.

825
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: Your inner voice, your inner voice is wisdom. Your inner

826
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: voice would always guide you to the right spot. And

827
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: I think it's just the noise that were allowed to

828
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: influence us. I mean, we are all here, and I

829
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: tell this to people. If I can climb to everest,

830
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: anybody can do it. There's no difference I mean between

831
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: you and I. Absolutely no before start a business or

832
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: whatever it is for them, whatever their everest is, whatever

833
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: there everest is, is absolutely doable. It is just about

834
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: trusting that. I mean, for me, what started me on

835
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: this journey was this opportunity. I mean, I follow this

836
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: vision of my little girl who was bringing me there,

837
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: This little girl who had suffered so much, had this

838
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: dream about you know, pulling me into mountains. Um had

839
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: this you know, this innocence. Why not? I mean one

840
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: of the things that it is really trippy is that

841
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: the image that I saw in the Ayahwaska vision was

842
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: from a picture that my mother had taken when I

843
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: was in Christmas in Perdu. And there was a snowman

844
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: behind that Christmas picture. And I had never seen snow

845
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: in my real life because we're a silent continent. So

846
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: what was interesting is like my destiny also was in

847
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: the picture. Yes, so there there there is something powerful,

848
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: I think along for all of us within, you know,

849
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: who have all of aspirations and dreams, the signs are there. Well,

850
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: you know, I often say we all are work work, work, work, work,

851
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: and achieve achieve, achieved. But when you quiet down, you meditate,

852
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: you relax, you do yoga, you walk on the beach,

853
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: you swim, you do something that's not on your phone,

854
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: good ideas come, like these amazing ideas come. And that's

855
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: because you're not having noise, but you have your your

856
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: voice I've even talked about that with food. People eat

857
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: out of anxiety, and that's noise. I was good, I

858
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: was bad. I ate a lot. I'll be good tomorrow.

859
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: That's noise of voices. Okay, I had a brownie, So

860
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: next I'm gonna have a salad. Like calmly listening to

861
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: a voice. And we have so many messages now, so

862
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: much social media. People are crowded. It's hard to hear

863
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: your inner voice. So find whatever it is it's going

864
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: to take you. That's great. That that's I'm glad that

865
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: that just came out, because that that we all have

866
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: to be reminded, reminded of that. Um. What was the

867
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: most challenging of hikes of journeys Everest? Actually it was

868
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: the Nali. The Nalie is in Alaska, and it took

869
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: me three times to actually make it to the summit

870
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: um and I, I mean most of the mountains was.

871
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: I was very lucky to do it on the first time,

872
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: but especially the last one took everything out of me.

873
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: And I was still dealing with my own drinking on

874
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: that one. And after the Nally, I've been now three

875
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: years ober. Um, But you can tell a difference in

876
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: your body. And that's amazing. Yes, yeah, and and and

877
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, and that's a personal choice. I mean,

878
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: I don't die to all of my friends who you know,

879
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: whenever have gatherings. You know, I'm not like, oh, don't

880
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: drink in front of me. No, I mean that that

881
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: was for me, my own personal journey, that's my own

882
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: personal work. I think if somebody offers me a drink

883
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: from Mars, I might have to consider something different. But

884
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, until that comes again, I think I've drunk

885
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: en at work for a couple of lifetimes. But but

886
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: definitely Dnali was the last um. You know, we almost

887
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: we got hit by another different storm. I almost died,

888
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: and it was one of those like I mean, I

889
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: came very close to my life and and I think

890
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: that definitely shook a lot of it. I mean, I

891
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: think by the time I finished the Nali, when I

892
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: reached base camp, I kneel and I started crying because

893
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 1: I felt I had given everything to the mountain. And

894
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: it was one of these emotions of like wow, I

895
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: literally had nothing left inside. Um. But that has been

896
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: quite quite difficult. And actually this journey, I mean, bringing

897
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: this book to life, I am so proud of just

898
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: how raw, honest, vulnerable it is. I mean, the man

899
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: of work that I did with my therapist to actually

900
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: get into the moments and emotions, and I was able

901
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: to bring out things that I had totally forgotten. Um

902
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: even how is raped by a former boss in in

903
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: my twenties. So it's it's just one of those things

904
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: that it's powerful what the mind can do, and especially

905
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: when trauma gets I mean, how much we can block.

906
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: It's amazing. What's the book called. It's called in the

907
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: Shadow of the Mountain. In the Shadow of the Mountain,

908
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: and your philanthropy effort for young girls is Courageous Girls.

909
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: Courageous Girls. It's amazing. Well, it's interesting that you have

910
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: chosen a journey where you really do. It's got so

911
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: much risk, you risk your life, but so much reward

912
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: and you've you know, dug so deep to really make

913
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: such a meaning out of your life and your journey

914
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: and your childhood. And now how amazing and inspiring to

915
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: bring that to the page, and then to bring that

916
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: to a movie and have a human being like Selena

917
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: Gomez portray you. It really sounds like you've done the work.

918
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: It sounds like you are a person who has emotionally

919
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: and physically and spiritually done the work to climb this

920
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: sort of metaphorical Mount Everest. Also, I think we're constant

921
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: work ourselves. Um. You know, I got sober by I

922
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: didn't do a a I ended up going into compassion

923
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: cultivation trainings and I started learning what it meant to

924
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: give myself compassion. I think many of us are incredibly

925
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: compassionate against others, but sometimes we don't understand what compassion

926
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: to ourselves mean. That's a great point and it's I

927
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: mean that particular journey opened up so much in me.

928
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: I think that is something that I practiced on a

929
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: daily basis. I mean compassion and gratitude. Um. And it

930
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: is just what you know, this dis incredible journey. Mean,

931
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: things have been opening up for me, um. You know,

932
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: this opportunity of working with someone as talented as just

933
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: inspiring as Selena, I mean her her life story for me,

934
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, I mean her vulnerability with everything that she's going,

935
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: It's just something you know that I am in to offer.

936
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: And she had lupus and had a you know, life

937
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: threatening uh circumstance in two thousand seventeen, So you know

938
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: she's been through feeling like she's hit bottom and scared

939
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: and it's amazing. Well, I'm so happy for you. I'm

940
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: so glappy to have met you. I would, you know,

941
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: never have heard your story until if I saw the movie,

942
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: and that would have been sort of not getting it

943
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: from this granular perspective. And I'm just so grateful to

944
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: for you to open up and what an amazing story

945
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: and journey you've had and just you know, it's I'm

946
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: gonna be thinking about it for a while to come,

947
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna think about what I'm gonna do now

948
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: and how I'm going to get to my inner pain. Well, Bethany,

949
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: if you ever want to talk more about a yuasca,

950
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean it has I think like the science is

951
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: now supporting a lot of it. Um, you know, it

952
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: can look it can seem a little bit daunting, but

953
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: when when done in the proper amount, I mean, it's

954
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: about your subconscious It's about just imagine the beautiful. Yeah,

955
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna talk to you about it. I mean,

956
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: we have we know someone in common, so I'm gonna

957
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: talk to Jill about I'm going to talk to you

958
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: about it because maybe this happened for a reason. So

959
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: but about you. Thank you so much. You're so inspiring

960
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad you've met you. I can't wait

961
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: to meet you in person. So thank you for talking

962
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: to us today. Thank you so much. It was what

963
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: an honor all the way that from. I'm just so

964
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: thank you. Have a wonderful day. This is a woman

965
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: who I mean makes me want to change my life

966
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: in so many different ways. What an inspiration. I mean,

967
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: let's talk about someone who suffered sexual abuse, addiction, sexual

968
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: abuse from such a young age, going on for years

969
00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: in an uber Catholic, uber religious uh Peruvian household with

970
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: very little parental involvement. Uh becomes an alcoholic, does iowasca

971
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: to open up her past and leads herself to a mountain.

972
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: She sees mountains, so she starts mounting, climbing, and she's

973
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: climbed the seven Summits, going into places for two months

974
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: where it takes you to get to the top, where

975
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: men are dropping like flies. She's hitting storms and weather

976
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: and people get sick, and I mean two months of

977
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: your life. What I mean then to to write this

978
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: entire story into a book that becomes a movie that

979
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: Selena Gomez, who has suffered her own challenges in her

980
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: life emotionally and physically and mentally and uh medically, was

981
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: playing her in this movie. This is insane, what a

982
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: crazy story. She has a philanthropic effort Courageous Girls, where

983
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: she helps girls work through their issues from sexual abuse.

984
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: She she uh is very vocal about speaking up against

985
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: sex trafficking and uh she wrote a book in the

986
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: Shadow of the Mountain. I mean, what else needs to

987
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: be said? This is different than what we usually talk about,

988
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: but there's so many things that she talked about that

989
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: can be applied to just life, to business, to parenting too,

990
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: everything just to to to addiction, to just accomplishing and

991
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: surviving and fighting and building and growing and learning and evolving.

992
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: So that was incredible and I'm sure we're all a

993
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: little bit shook from it. Remember to rate, review, and subscribe.

994
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what you thought about Sylvia's

995
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: journey that continues. So thank you so much. I appreciate you.