WEBVTT - Toddler Found Alive In Morgue, 5 Hours After Doc Declared Him Dead

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Holmes here alongside Amy Roeboch and it's a story that

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<v Speaker 2>really we've only seen in movies. Somebody goes into a

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<v Speaker 2>morgue and find somebody in there with a toe tag,

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<v Speaker 2>but alive. But this has happened in real life and

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<v Speaker 2>a toddler is involved. Welcome to this episode here, Robes.

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<v Speaker 2>This is I've seen this in a bunch of movies.

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest with you, I don't know how in

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<v Speaker 2>God's name this happens. We should be grateful that the

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<v Speaker 2>kid is alive, but how does this happen?

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<v Speaker 1>It's alarming beyond belief. I mean, a one year old

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking it was I believe. When we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into the timeline of how this all unfolded, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was five hours after this little boy was pronounced dead,

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<v Speaker 1>his body in the morgue, someone from the medical Examiner's

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<v Speaker 1>office coming to pick him up and realizes, holy hell,

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<v Speaker 1>this little baby has a pulse and is breathing.

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<v Speaker 2>And you think a mistake is made. You think, how

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<v Speaker 2>can a mistake like that be made? And then you

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<v Speaker 2>think about maybe this is some kind of a miracle. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't think it's that so let's get into what

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about in Robes. This was an incident that

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<v Speaker 2>happened in February. It happened on Super Bowl Sunday, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>but it happened in February. We're only getting it now

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<v Speaker 2>because the police report was just made public.

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<v Speaker 1>That's correct. We're talking about one year old Vincent Lorenzo

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<v Speaker 1>fior Delino. He was well, he is at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a one year old from Arizona. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>his parents had a Super Bowl party, so you can see. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>we have both I'm sure covered tragic events where kids

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<v Speaker 1>go missing, end up drowning, end up in some harms

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<v Speaker 1>way because the parents are distracted, they're at a party.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone thinks someone else is watching the child. They have

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<v Speaker 1>two other young children in the home. But somehow little

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<v Speaker 1>Vincent goes outside of his family home and falls into

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<v Speaker 1>the and so a nine to one one call is

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<v Speaker 1>placed by the family, the desperate family at five thirty pm,

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<v Speaker 1>and Vincent is rushed to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, work is being done on him, according to all reports,

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<v Speaker 2>but Robes he was officially declared dead. A doctor ordered

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<v Speaker 2>that the resuscitation and everything be stopped to life saving measures,

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<v Speaker 2>so as to your point. Robes, he's dead. Family says

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<v Speaker 2>they're goodbyes. He goes to the morgue and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>identified until later when the medical examiner showed up five

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<v Speaker 2>hours later. Now we go, holy hell, what happened? The

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<v Speaker 2>details robes from the pool to the morgue are very

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<v Speaker 2>important here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. I actually have a timeline just to

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<v Speaker 1>give you the full perspective. So again, the nine one

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<v Speaker 1>one call is placed by the family at five thirty pm,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are desperate. They are saying he is not

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<v Speaker 1>showing signs of life. They are trying to perform CPR.

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<v Speaker 1>He's rushed to the hospital and police are there. So

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<v Speaker 1>they actually have body cam video. We actually can hear

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<v Speaker 1>the audio. We know the time stamps, and so at

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<v Speaker 1>five point thirty the call goes in. At six twenty pm,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Arian Tussey pronounces Vincent dead and he says, no objections,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to call time of death. Let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>moment of silence. This is at six twenty pm. Six

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<v Speaker 1>minutes later, at six twenty six, you can hear the

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<v Speaker 1>mom say, he's breathing. Is that normal? The nurse says,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a pulse. And so the officer makes a

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<v Speaker 1>note on his police report that the toddler was quote

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<v Speaker 1>still possibly breathing based on the appearance of his stomach

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<v Speaker 1>and chest area rising and falling. But the nurse had

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<v Speaker 1>an explanation for the family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean this is a thing I have heard

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<v Speaker 2>about this folks from the Obysea's a body can really

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<v Speaker 2>expel gases, oxygen. This does happen. Agon old breathing, I

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<v Speaker 2>think is what they got all exactly what it calls comes,

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<v Speaker 2>it comes out. So it's a natural thing that was

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<v Speaker 2>dismissed by the medical folks as just that. But robes,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't just the mom It seems like several people,

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<v Speaker 2>officers and the family were saying, hey, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a nurse also saying, wait a minute, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I got a pulse. Well, so several people were

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<v Speaker 2>essentially trying to say, hey, everybody, I think we got

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<v Speaker 2>a live one here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so confused because it was always my belief or

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<v Speaker 1>understanding that, especially when it comes to a child, doctors

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<v Speaker 1>will continue to perform CPR. They'll do everything, They'll shock

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<v Speaker 1>the little heart, they'll do whatever it takes to try

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<v Speaker 1>and see if they can get a pulse. If someone

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<v Speaker 1>is saying I have a pulse, it is utterly confusing.

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<v Speaker 1>Why the doctor did and said? What happened next?

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<v Speaker 2>According to police, well, I guess he thought otherwise. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>even no matter what somebody said, he's there checking as well,

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<v Speaker 2>is he not?

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<v Speaker 1>Can only assume. So, yes, you've got the parents, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got police, you've got the nurse all saying it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like he's breathing, it seems like he has a pulse.

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<v Speaker 1>But the doctor pronounced him dead. And when he was

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<v Speaker 1>questioned about it, according to the police report, it says

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Tucy arrogantly told the officer that quote he was

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor, he has the medical degree, he went to

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<v Speaker 1>medical school for a reason, and to let him do

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<v Speaker 1>his thing. That is a direct quote from the police report.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know this doctor, but that reads like for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, Robes I've read that, and he goes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I could see a doctor of not knocking doctors. But

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<v Speaker 2>I have known some who have that type of attitude.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want to hear anybody question their expertise. I

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<v Speaker 2>do this, you don't. You went to copp acated. I

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<v Speaker 2>am the doctor and I could see Robes did arrogance

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<v Speaker 2>play a role this kid not getting proper treatment an

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<v Speaker 2>arrogant doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>Some would call that an oxymoron. No, but seriously, interestingly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>this doctor specifically is kind of a young doctor in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of doctors go, so yes, maybe you could say

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<v Speaker 1>arrogance is more likely or something you might more likely

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<v Speaker 1>encounter in a younger doctor. A guy who thinks he's

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<v Speaker 1>just gotten a medical school and knows it all. But

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<v Speaker 1>he holds an osteopathic physician's license that was issued in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, so this was at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>the year, so three years as a licensed doctor. He

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<v Speaker 1>completed his residency at Sparrow Hospital in Lansing, Michigan. Just

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<v Speaker 1>so happens to be the hospital I was born in

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two. So yeah, he's a fairly young doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>So just a little background on him. Will have more

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<v Speaker 1>on that in just a moment. But yes, so that

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<v Speaker 1>was at six twenty pronounces this little boy dead despite

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<v Speaker 1>the protests maybe light protests from those around him. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't until eleven fifty two pm, just before midnight, when

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<v Speaker 1>a transporter from the Medical Examiner's office was told to

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<v Speaker 1>take the little boy's body and bring it over to

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<v Speaker 1>the coroner's office. When he discovered that the toddler was

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<v Speaker 1>breathing and had a pulse that moment, I cannot imagine

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<v Speaker 1>what that was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, well, it's I guess we're supposed to Well I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, Robes, how to go back now and to

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<v Speaker 2>think this kid is sitting there five hours by himself,

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<v Speaker 2>needing medical care, and what that could have meant exactly mistakes. No,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a pilot, you're a doctor. You don't make mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>There are some mistakes you just cannot make. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>reason for that, Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand. Look, there there's a I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how you miss that. I just don't. And these are doctors,

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<v Speaker 2>they know their thing. But there's a whole full cardio

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<v Speaker 2>pulmonary death exam they're supposed to go through. There are

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<v Speaker 2>steps you are supposed to follow to confirm the death

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<v Speaker 2>of somebody. For him to what I don't have enough

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<v Speaker 2>time for this, or that's good enough, or I'll call it.

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<v Speaker 2>Why you should be working on this kid for five hours?

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I watched the pit I watched er. You know

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<v Speaker 1>you see these obviously Hollywood versions depicting what it's like

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<v Speaker 1>in an emergency room, and it's just something that you

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<v Speaker 1>assume goes on where they go till beyond, way beyond

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<v Speaker 1>what they should to try and make sure or to

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<v Speaker 1>see if they could bring someone back to life, and

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<v Speaker 1>especially considering drowning deaths. Look, this is really really rare,

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<v Speaker 1>but we have heard of the ability of people to

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<v Speaker 1>survive being underwater, and this little boy reportedly was underwater

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<v Speaker 1>for five minutes before his family discovered him. But we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned it was February, February ninth in Air, Arizona, and

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<v Speaker 1>they said that the pool temperature was under sixty degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>That's important because we have heard again really rare, but

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<v Speaker 1>in cold water you can be resuscitated. That somehow that

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<v Speaker 1>cold water allows your body to stay alive. And so honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>he was in the perfect conditions for the possibility of

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<v Speaker 1>him being able to be resuscitated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he went to the wrong doctor. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 2>the hell, I don't know what could have happened. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the kid will give the update on his condition, but

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<v Speaker 2>it wrotes. I just don't I just don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>blown away that something like this can happen. This is

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<v Speaker 2>some Jesus stuff. This is Lazarus. Yes, there is a

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<v Speaker 2>thing the Lazarus effect. Well, the name of the movie

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<v Speaker 2>is a Lazarus effect. Yes, if you haven't seen a

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<v Speaker 2>horror movie, it's kind of we got to go back

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<v Speaker 2>and watch it today. Olivia Wilde, Yes, absolutely anyway. But

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<v Speaker 2>this idea, this Lazarus phenomenon, it's they're so rare, these

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<v Speaker 2>documented cases of auto resuscitation were people have been known

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<v Speaker 2>to their heart stop and just after CPR on their

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<v Speaker 2>own it's start again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but obviously, if you're in that situation, in that

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<v Speaker 1>delicate balance between life and death, you would think if

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<v Speaker 1>he were still alive, oxygen would have been pumped into

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<v Speaker 1>his brain and his body and fluids would be in

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<v Speaker 1>there just trying to bring back all of his organs

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<v Speaker 1>to life. And what ended up happening five hours goes

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<v Speaker 1>by more than five hours goes by the moment this

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<v Speaker 1>transporter finds this little boy still breathing, he is immediately

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<v Speaker 1>airlifted to a children's hospital, but they describe the situation

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<v Speaker 1>as while he's being airlifted, his organs are shutting down.

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<v Speaker 1>An initial MRI identified potential brain damage. Later they say

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<v Speaker 1>there was none found. However, his family says because of

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<v Speaker 1>this ordeal, he requires extensive therapy and will be he

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<v Speaker 1>will require lifelong care. Isn't He isn't fully recovered back

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<v Speaker 1>to normal, And the questions are could he have had

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<v Speaker 1>a better shot at a normal life had he been

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<v Speaker 1>given immediate medical attention.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet that's coming up at trial. Yes, that's the question.

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<v Speaker 2>How can you ever, I mean, can they ever? Are

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<v Speaker 2>they ever going to be able to prove that had

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<v Speaker 2>he gotten five hours worth of treatment, he wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>ended up in the state he's in.

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<v Speaker 1>They will certainly be How are.

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<v Speaker 2>They going to prove that he was going to end

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<v Speaker 2>up in this way? No matter what?

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to be? Yes, a question for the courts,

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<v Speaker 1>but we will point out right now and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>appear as if this doctor is going to be facing

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<v Speaker 1>any criminal charges. But he has retained an attorney, and

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<v Speaker 1>the attorney did make a comment when obviously this is

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<v Speaker 1>of significant interest to a lot of folks, so he's

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<v Speaker 1>been getting a lot of inquiries, and the attorney made

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<v Speaker 1>this statement. Out of courtesy to the family and patient confidentiality,

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<v Speaker 1>we respectfully declined to make a statement at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>I doubt that it's out of respect for the family.

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<v Speaker 1>My apologies for calling that into question. This is about

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<v Speaker 1>legal protection, which is understandable and right now. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>this was interesting. I looked through several different media reports.

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<v Speaker 1>It's unclear if doctor Tucy is still employed or if

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<v Speaker 1>he has been placed on any sort of leave, pending

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<v Speaker 1>an investigation from Dignity Health, which is where he worked

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<v Speaker 1>and where the child was initially brought to. Dignity Health

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<v Speaker 1>did not respond to media requests about the status of

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Tuccy, so we don't know that. But when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, we will talk about another question. Will these

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<v Speaker 1>parents now face charges because it turns out they were

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<v Speaker 1>smoking marijuana when their child fell into the pool. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We

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<v Speaker 1>are talking about a miraculous recovery, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>questions about who's to blame. What went wrong when a

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<v Speaker 1>one year old Childler fell into his family's pool while

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<v Speaker 1>they were all enjoying the Super Bowl at a Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl party. He's removed from being underwater after five minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>declared pronounced dead by a doctor, and more than five

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<v Speaker 1>hours later, is found alive in the morgue. Now the

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<v Speaker 1>parents admit and admitted to smoking marijuana at the time

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<v Speaker 1>their son fell into the water, and police reported smelling

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<v Speaker 1>marijuana when they came to the home, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>actually said that his parents were quote impaired by marijuana

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<v Speaker 1>and or other mind altering substances. So right now the

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<v Speaker 1>DA is considering pressing charges.

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<v Speaker 2>Your thoughts, um, I don't know those circumstances, robes, Accidents happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Accidents happened to good people and good parents who turn

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<v Speaker 2>their back for something or for a moment. Take the

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<v Speaker 2>marijuana out of the whole equation, and just there was

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<v Speaker 2>a party going on. This parent thought another parent was correct,

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<v Speaker 2>and this happened, we would look at it as an accident.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why just inserting marijuana into the story

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<v Speaker 2>now leads to some judgment about their parenting. So I

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<v Speaker 2>want to pump the brakes on that. But it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to go about punishing folks who have been punished as

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<v Speaker 2>much as they have with everything. They went ropes, They

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<v Speaker 2>said goodbye to their child. Yes, they said bye and

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<v Speaker 2>went home, and then got a call five or six

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<v Speaker 2>hours later and said, oh, by the way, they've been

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<v Speaker 2>through a lot ropes. They've been through it, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I also would ask these couple of questions. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, if they had just had a couple beers,

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<v Speaker 1>would that be considered a charge as well because they

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<v Speaker 1>had been drinking or they had had a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of alcohol? How much marijuana did they have? Did they

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<v Speaker 1>smoke one joint? I mean, like, there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of questions.

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<v Speaker 2>And does that automatically lead to parental neglect? Exactly, you

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<v Speaker 2>were high and then something happened, So that means it

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<v Speaker 2>happened because you.

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<v Speaker 1>Were high, right, And here's the deal. I also, he

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<v Speaker 1>was underwater for five minutes, So I'm just saying how

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<v Speaker 1>many times as a parent did you maybe not know,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you were at a party where your kid

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<v Speaker 1>was for five minutes. I know he was one, so

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<v Speaker 1>he's a little guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's different.

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<v Speaker 1>That's different if your eye on a kid, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you have a pool, that is the whole other level.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember just I never had a home with a

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<v Speaker 1>pool when my kids were younger, but my mom and

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<v Speaker 1>dad did, and every time we visited them, it was

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<v Speaker 1>like your eagle eye trained on your kids. My mom

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<v Speaker 1>had the doors locked, she had an alarm on the

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<v Speaker 1>back door to the pool, just in case we knew

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<v Speaker 1>if anybody opened a door and went outside. But look,

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<v Speaker 1>I have personally covered a case almost identical to this.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a mother's day party and a little two

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<v Speaker 1>year old wandered out. Everyone thought someone else was watching him.

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<v Speaker 1>He ended up drowning in the creek behind the home.

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<v Speaker 1>There wasn't any allegation of marijuana or alcohol, but it

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<v Speaker 1>only takes a few minutes for a child to wander

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<v Speaker 1>away and drown and so within five minutes they found him.

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<v Speaker 1>So look, I agree. I think that in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>these parents are living with the nightmare that they have

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<v Speaker 1>been living through and will continue to for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of their lives. By all accounts, based on the condition

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<v Speaker 1>that the physical and medical condition this child is in

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<v Speaker 1>and will likely remain in for the rest of his life,

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<v Speaker 1>to put them in prison for this on top of it,

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<v Speaker 1>for me, that's that's a difficult decision for the DA.

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<v Speaker 2>It is but the DA is supposed to protect the victim,

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<v Speaker 2>and the victim right now and his eyes is his child, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>his or her eyes. I don't know who the prosecutor is,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's just but I mean, is this a lesson

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<v Speaker 2>to other parents or should the lesson be putting the

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<v Speaker 2>parents in jail? Is that the bigger lesson that needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be taught. Every parent has made a mistake. We've

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<v Speaker 2>all every single parent listening can remember a time when

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<v Speaker 2>your child was one to three and you had an

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<v Speaker 2>old shit moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's my child? I had it in an a mazy

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<v Speaker 1>score with.

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<v Speaker 2>Ava where there's danger involved. It's just these mistakes happen rolls.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you have a one year old and when

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<v Speaker 2>they're the pool in the back, no, every parent knows

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<v Speaker 2>there is never a time that child should be out

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<v Speaker 2>of your sight.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, and I think everything it knows you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be probably taking mind altering substances when you're having a

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<v Speaker 1>party and you've got small children and a pool in

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<v Speaker 1>the backyard. Now that so, by the way, the police

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<v Speaker 1>did recommend they make their recommendations to the prosecutor that

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<v Speaker 1>they believe the parents should face felony child abuse charge

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<v Speaker 1>fellny Man felony child abuse charges. That is the recommendation

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<v Speaker 1>by police.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't I didn't get to see the read The

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<v Speaker 2>police report was pretty extensive. I didn't see all of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but they went into mostly robes, not what happened at

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital, but what happened at the home. Yes, so

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<v Speaker 2>the police were look, the police investigation has to do

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<v Speaker 2>with what happened to this child somebody else at the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all can deal with neglecting what you want to do

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<v Speaker 2>with your doctor. But in their eyes robes, they have

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<v Speaker 2>a child that has been permanently harmed. Who did it?

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<v Speaker 2>And I could see why they're looking at the parents,

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<v Speaker 2>They're looking at the behavior. What else was happening there

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<v Speaker 2>was their reckless behavior where all the kids just running

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<v Speaker 2>around and not being watched at all. We don't know that,

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<v Speaker 2>but man, it's I'm pretty sure these this family is

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<v Speaker 2>messed up right now. Oh my goodness, to think of

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<v Speaker 2>them being getting hit with felony charges.

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<v Speaker 1>On top of everything else. Now they are also planning,

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<v Speaker 1>they've made this very clear, to pursue legal action against

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Tuccy, against Dignity Health Mercy Gilbert Medical Center. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the place where he was pronounced dead and was

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<v Speaker 1>placed in the morgue. So they've already made it very

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<v Speaker 1>clear that they are planning to sue both the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>and the hospital involved in this. And that is clearly

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<v Speaker 1>why doctor Tusey has already lawyered up. That makes a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of sense here, But there is more to come,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will obviously keep our eye in the situation

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<v Speaker 1>if charges are filed against these parents. But just one

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<v Speaker 1>of those stories is that yes, does have a miracle

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<v Speaker 1>or a miraculous ending in place. But the question is

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<v Speaker 1>was he alive the whole time? Was he how long

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<v Speaker 1>was he gone? There are still a lot of questions

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<v Speaker 1>that need to be answered, and so we'll continue to

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<v Speaker 1>follow this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, just I'm just thinking about that whole Lazarus

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<v Speaker 2>thing again. They don't have cases where for somebody's heart

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<v Speaker 2>stopped and they came back five hours later. No, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't have those.

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<v Speaker 1>And if there was already unnoticeable pulse and breathing, that

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<v Speaker 1>was it. Yeah, that's that. Matt is scary and what

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<v Speaker 1>could have occurred during those five hours. It could have

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<v Speaker 1>changed the course of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sad, little guy. I know, nobody helping them in

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<v Speaker 2>this cold room. Don't have that helped all.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I know we will keep our eye on

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<v Speaker 1>this one indeed, But in the meantime, thank you all

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<v Speaker 1>for listening to us. I'm made me roboch alongside you.

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<v Speaker 1>J Holmes, we'll talk to you soon.