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Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up, brought you by the Fields Total

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Speaker 1: Hoop Jaguar Senior writer John Osher, NFL network analyst and

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Speaker 1: former Jaguar Bucky Brooks, and Senior reporter JP Shaddrick bring

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Speaker 1: you the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts right now.

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Speaker 3: JP Shadrick, John Oser. I guess this is huddle up

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Speaker 3: without regress.

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Speaker 4: Right. The quicksand is gone. We can run free. That's

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Speaker 4: what we were born today. We were born to run

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Speaker 4: tramps like us.

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Speaker 2: That's very true. Flit did again to today a new.

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Speaker 3: Mock draft out by National Media Maven NFL media.

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Speaker 2: Analyst Daniel Jeremiah.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to who he has the Jaguars taking at

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Speaker 3: number five coming up. The rules changed. Proposals were announced

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Speaker 3: earlier on Wednesday. We'll go through those, and I have

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Speaker 3: a feeling that we're not in agreement on some of

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Speaker 3: the proposals.

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Speaker 2: We'll go through.

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Speaker 4: We'll see.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Hey, they didn't ask me any the

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Speaker 3: right to be wrong. It's my I'm.

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Speaker 4: Entitled, as Pete would say, entitle my own wrong opinion.

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Speaker 3: And then hey, the Jaguars reportedly signing another offensive lineman.

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Speaker 3: All that's coming up as well. Okay, so it's it's

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Speaker 3: a strange week. Really. It's the start start a free

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Speaker 3: agencies done. You know, the players a golf tournament this

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Speaker 3: week in the rear view that the quarterback was out there,

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Speaker 3: the coaches were out there on Saturday. Now it's spring

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Speaker 3: break in a lot of areas, so people are coming

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Speaker 3: and going vacation. The veterans aren't in yet. That starts

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Speaker 3: April seventh, but this is kind of no man's last yet.

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Speaker 4: It's a transition week and it probably feels a little

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Speaker 4: bit different to Jaguars fans, a little bit different to

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Speaker 4: us because this year in free agency, usually teams in

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Speaker 4: the Jaguar have done in the past, sign a couple

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Speaker 4: of guys and then there's a little bit of a

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Speaker 4: second wave, a third tier. The Jaguars really did their

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Speaker 4: tiers all on the first day. They targeted guys. Some

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Speaker 4: of the guys that they signed signed contracts that would

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Speaker 4: which usually would have lingered into this week to make

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Speaker 4: it feel more active. But they targeted guys they knew,

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Speaker 4: you know, that they wanted, didn't wait for sort of

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Speaker 4: the market to shake out on some of the swing

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Speaker 4: tackle or you know, a tight end or backup quarterback.

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Speaker 4: So the knew what they wanted, and frankly, there's not

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Speaker 4: a whole lot left for them to do with what

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Speaker 4: they had budgeted. So there's a little bit more. But

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Speaker 4: now the free agents get down to where they're much

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Speaker 4: more minimum price, much more of a manageable schedule type situation.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's a week of transition and kick

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Speaker 4: your feet up. It's not unusual for.

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Speaker 2: You or you right right, I mean, don't point at me.

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Speaker 2: We both know how to relax around here.

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Speaker 3: Okay, to that end, I mean the Jaguars apparently reportedly

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Speaker 3: earlier on Wednesday or signing another tackle, Fred Johnson from

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Speaker 3: the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: He's out of Florida.

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Speaker 3: Three years with the Bengals, part of a season with

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Speaker 3: free agency. It's it's a big reset of the room overall. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, at line you need eight or nine guys,

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Speaker 4: and even or they did not bring back Blake Hants.

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Speaker 4: Blake Hants was a guy that that level of linemen

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Speaker 4: so you get down to your eighth ninth guy. Uh,

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Speaker 4: That's what it seems like they're trying to get to

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Speaker 4: they know the offense, they know what they're about. So

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Speaker 4: they're getting those numbers up of veteran players. You don't

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Speaker 4: So it feels like with I want a botch his

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Speaker 2: Makes sense to me.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a priority you want to be, you know,

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Speaker 3: change up It could who knows, it could be more

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Speaker 4: When regimes change, they also switch out those guys often

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Speaker 4: Blake Hans was that guy here. I trust that Blake

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Speaker 4: But you need linemen like that, maybe above any position

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Speaker 4: It's maybe a little easier to go out on the

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Speaker 4: street during the season find somebody off an other team's

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Speaker 4: practice squad. Teams like having a a group of linemen

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Speaker 4: that you can sort of pick from who are available

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Speaker 4: in a pinch. So it seems like they're trying to

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Speaker 3: Don't fret. You won't miss Blake Cants that much. He

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Speaker 3: went to Tennessee. He's in the division.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so you'll get to say he can he can

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Speaker 5: hang he can hang up. Sure, the new season is

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Speaker 5: staff is in veterans will be in in April the

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Speaker 5: off season program. We'll figure out the draft at the

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Speaker 5: end of Aprule and then.

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Speaker 3: Early May usually the schedule will come out so we

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Speaker 3: know the opponents home and road. We'll have the full

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Speaker 3: schedule in May as well. Get those tickets right now.

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Speaker 3: Huddle up without Bucky Brooks today, JP Shadwick and John

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Speaker 3: Oser on this Wednesday in kind of a weird time

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Speaker 3: of the offseason. It's mock draft season.

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Speaker 2: You know that. Well, we have the tracker on Jaguars

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Speaker 2: dot com. Actually you have the tracker.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a some years. The tracker is fascinating. I'll

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Speaker 4: give an insider tip. This year is probably not one

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Speaker 4: necessarily that the mocks the consensus of the mocks are

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Speaker 4: accurate because everybody and their brother it's probably eighty eighty

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Speaker 4: way I do, JP, there gets to be sort of

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Speaker 4: a consensus where like when I do a mock, you

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Speaker 4: sort of look at somebody else's mock to get a

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Speaker 4: feel for what's going on. You look at three or

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Speaker 4: to be a lot of repetition among even the top mockers.

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Speaker 4: I do that, and it's okay because my mocks are

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Speaker 4: you even get a lot of monkey see monkey do

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Speaker 4: with the mocks, especially at the top. Like if somebody drafts,

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Speaker 4: I mean, if somebody mocks a certain quarterback to a

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Speaker 4: really become that way with Mason Graham. I don't think

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Speaker 4: Mason Graham is nearly the lock for the Jaguars that

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Speaker 4: a lot of people think. I think he's a possibility,

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Speaker 4: but I think they could go multiple ways in the

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Speaker 3: Apparently Daniels Jeremiah thinks that also good for da Daniels

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Speaker 3: Jeremiah's three point oh mock.

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Speaker 2: Just came out yes day three point NFL media. Of

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Speaker 4: I'll be curious to I guess we'll find out.

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Speaker 2: Let's go one through five, Okay, I'll read about to right.

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Speaker 3: This has kind of become a general consensus over the

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Speaker 3: The Browns at number two, Abdul Carter okay, pass rusher,

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Speaker 4: And that means the rest of his draft will be

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Speaker 4: we'll see their philosophy come in and you know, I

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Speaker 2: Figure out the rest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this team wants to be great on the lines.

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Speaker 4: you know. There, there's the thing cat likes to bat around,

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Speaker 4: it's interesting. But anyway, Jeremiah selects well the Jaguars.

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Speaker 3: He has Jalen Walker, defensive end from Georgia.

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Speaker 4: Well I did in college, but he.

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Speaker 4: this point you draft based on Devin Lloyd. Meaning if

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Speaker 4: not take him because Devin Lloyd's on your roster. I

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Speaker 4: So it sticks at the Jacksonville Memorial Coliseume the old

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Speaker 2: Absolutely no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: Hey, let's wrap up today with rules change proposals announced

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Speaker 3: There aren't that many, but there are some big proposals.

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Speaker 2: It's an offensive league.

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Speaker 4: It's an offensive league. And then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: Green Bay trying to amend Rule twelve section.

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Speaker 2: It, and now you're doing this too.

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Speaker 4: The Eagles have a that play works for the most part,

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Speaker 4: It works because Jalen Hurts is a freak.

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Speaker 2: How much time is that?

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Speaker 3: All right, let's move along Philadelphia trying to a man

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Speaker 3: Rule sixteen, Section one.

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Speaker 2: You know that part of the Brooke. Well, sure, they

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Speaker 3: The postseason and regular season overtime rules. They want to

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Speaker 4: I think it'll I don't know, man, this.

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Speaker 3: Is now, this is the postseason rule. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: You can play defense. It's allowed to play.

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Speaker 4: It's it's fair to ask a team to hold the

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Speaker 4: But it's important to remember one of the things the

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Speaker 4: So the Competition Committee will always try to air on

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Speaker 4: It may take some lobbying to get it in because

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Speaker 4: it lengthens what is now.

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Speaker 3: Those are the club playing rules proposals. There are also

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this comes up every now and then.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to be uh. A few games and all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well we're right, start flexing. I'm with you. I

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Speaker 4: there was a time where I really thought that this

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Speaker 4: was a good idea. And then the more I talk

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Speaker 4: to people, there is a a sanctity of the division

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Speaker 4: in the NFL. Uh that you want it to matter? Now,

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Speaker 4: maybe it's different than when I was a kid and

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Speaker 4: there were six five team divisions. Now it's eight four

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Speaker 4: team divisions. But if you if you get away from

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Speaker 4: having the seating based on division finished, meaning the you know, one, two, three,

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Speaker 4: four division winners, then you start the wild card, then

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Speaker 4: maybe your bast back when they would just sort of

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Speaker 4: throw the teams into one through eight. And do you

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Speaker 4: really if you're a casual reserve of basketball, do you

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Speaker 4: really know what divisions are out West? So and I'm

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Speaker 4: not I don't follow basketball as much as a lot

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Speaker 4: of people. So maybe people who follow it follow it,

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Speaker 4: but I remember when I was following it, I didn't

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Speaker 4: really quite know West. It didn't matter because it was

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Speaker 4: seeded one through eight, and the seating gives the division title.

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Speaker 4: It makes sure you have a home game, and I

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Speaker 4: understand that there are some years that that feels unfair

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Speaker 4: when the Lions finished fourteen and three and the Bucks

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Speaker 4: finished ten and seven and get a playoff. But if

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Speaker 4: this changes, which it could but I don't think it will,

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Speaker 4: then it's a big It's a big moment for me

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Speaker 4: of how the league has always thought about divisions and

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Speaker 4: that tradition and I want to say culture, but you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for that that's set up in that thought

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Speaker 4: basis in the league if this changes, that's a big

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Speaker 4: change from that, and I think it'll be hard to

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Speaker 4: get the league away and get the owners away from

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Speaker 4: de emphasizing divisions.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I agree with that wholeheartedly.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, we're talking about last year Detroit and Minnesota. So

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Speaker 3: Detroit was fifteen and two, Minnesota was fourteen and three,

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Speaker 3: and they were the top wild card team while the

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Speaker 3: Rams at ten and seven Tampa Bay ten and seven

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Speaker 3: had home games as division champions. Yeah, I would say this, Okay,

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Speaker 3: if you want to host play don't lose three games, right, like,

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Speaker 3: go be better? Yeah, go win. Also, it's right there

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Speaker 3: in front of you. That's the carrot.

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Speaker 4: Home field matters in the playoffs very much. But the

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Speaker 4: idea here is to win the Super Bowl if you're

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Speaker 4: a big time team. There's been plenty of teams that

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Speaker 4: have gone on the road to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: It's harder, but you can do it. You're not precluded

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Speaker 4: from winning that game just because it's.

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Speaker 2: You know, sixty minutes of football.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there were times where I used to follow the

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Speaker 4: NBA that you always felt like, well, the home team's

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Speaker 4: never going to lose because you always felt like there

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Speaker 4: was something right. But in the NFL hopefield advantage is big.

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Speaker 4: But you also see teams, good teams that go all

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Speaker 4: the way. They often have to go on the road,

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Speaker 4: you know. I remember back in the day when the

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Speaker 4: Broncos were really good, when the Jags Broncos in the nineties,

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Speaker 4: Denver had to go on the road one year, and

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Speaker 4: they went on the road and started their run. It

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Speaker 4: happens all the time. The Giant stated a couple of times,

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Speaker 4: the last year the Vikings had that great season, they

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Speaker 4: went lost to the Rams out there. Well that there

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Speaker 4: wasn't a weather game, there was a reason Vikings couldn't

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Speaker 4: gone one. I'm sure they would tell you they didn't

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Speaker 4: lose because they were on the road. They lost because

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Speaker 4: they didn't play as well. So I don't think that'll

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Speaker 4: I don't think that'll pass, nor do I think it should.

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Speaker 4: I think what will continue to happen is once every

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Speaker 4: four years, it'll be a heavy debate in December that

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Speaker 4: people who don't consider divisions as supportant get very mad at.

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Speaker 3: And then one more club bylaw proposal, again by Detroit,

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Speaker 3: the Lion's Busy Article seventeen, Section seventeen point one of

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Speaker 3: the Constitution and bylaws, they want to exclude from the

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Speaker 3: ninety player limited player placed on reserve injured before or

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Speaker 3: on the day of the roster reduction to fifty three players,

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Speaker 3: unless such players designated for return.

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Speaker 2: So this is basically just a.

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Speaker 4: Roster so they're basically trying to get They're trying to

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Speaker 4: sneak a guy through, right, Yeah, And it's like.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exclude from the ninety player limit a guy that's

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Speaker 3: on the reserve list before or on the reduction data.

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Speaker 4: Fifteen so they could bring him back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, unless he's designated for return. So basically, yeah, they

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Speaker 3: just want to sneak him through.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. There, this could pass, and I'd have to really

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Speaker 4: really really read the rule to know all the ramifications,

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Speaker 4: but it feels like they're trying to loosen up the

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Speaker 4: ability to hold on to a few more guys and

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Speaker 4: have the injured reserve be a little more flexible. This

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Speaker 4: has been the trend probably since right before COVID of

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Speaker 4: making it. It's essentially expanding rosters without expanding rosters, it's

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Speaker 4: what they're doing. What I mean by that is you're

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Speaker 4: giving teams more up oportunity to keep guys around and

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Speaker 4: not expose them, which in essence, Like it used to be,

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Speaker 4: you could sort of protect fifty three guys. Now you

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Speaker 4: can do a few more in interviewserve bringing them back up.

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Speaker 4: You have a little more ability to pull guys up

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Speaker 4: with the practice squad, which essentially has meant regular season

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Speaker 4: rosters being fifty six and fifty seven that they have

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Speaker 4: access to rather than fifty three. There's been a trend

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Speaker 4: toward that. What you wonder is over time, does the

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Speaker 4: nfl PA during a CBA say, hey, we got a

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Speaker 4: you know, if you're going to keep these guys and

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Speaker 4: have them available to you, do we need to have

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Speaker 4: a fifty fourth guy who's getting paid like that guy.

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Speaker 4: But in recent years the trend has been to allow

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Speaker 4: more flexibility here. So it wouldn't surprise me this one

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Speaker 4: got past. And I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing.

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Speaker 4: It gives you more roster continuity at the bottom. So

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Speaker 4: if they do it's fine, we'll see. But that's the

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Speaker 4: spirit of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Those are the proposals, and again they must be approved

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Speaker 3: by seventy five percent of the owners to be adopted.

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Speaker 2: There's the annual meeting at the end of March.

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Speaker 3: There's some other meetings in May, so you never know

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Speaker 3: how these things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, most of these they feel like level of rule

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Speaker 4: that they'll either go yeah or in a in late

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Speaker 4: March in Palm Beach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, knock it out all right.

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Speaker 3: As we said, quiet somewhat of a quiet week spring

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Speaker 3: break season, Pro Day season. This year April seventh, the

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Speaker 3: off season program Phase one can begin with the new

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Speaker 3: head coach.

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Speaker 2: So the countdown is on to that.

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Speaker 3: Well, if Jaguars Happy our radio at four o'clock Thursday

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Speaker 3: on ten to next lam Jeff Logoman and I will

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Speaker 3: bring that to you. And we got it done without Bucky.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's tough. It was tough. I mean it's uh.

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Speaker 4: I'll probably get a rest later, ye, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Take it the little nap. Thanks John, that's John Ozer.

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Speaker 2: I'm j P.

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Speaker 3: Shadwick Are Thanks to Joe Fortunado and Brent Reaver, and

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Speaker 3: thanks to you for listening to Huddle Up