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Speaker 1: The President's announcement came hours after The Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: He has denied writing the letter and is threatening to

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Speaker 1: from his members of his own base for more transparency

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Speaker 1: around the Epstein case.

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Speaker 2: More than twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump says it's not true. He says he's suing.

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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal stands by the story they do.

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Speaker 4: This story had been rumored for a few days. It

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Speaker 4: was echoing throughout the sort of New York and Beltway

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Speaker 4: media sphere that the journal had something and had something big,

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Speaker 4: in fact, as the paper chronicles, there was a phone

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Speaker 4: call Tuesday night with President Trump which he denied it.

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Speaker 4: Trump himself posted on social media that he called editors

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Speaker 4: at the Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdock himself to say,

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Speaker 4: the backstory here, But this is seemingly a big deal.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Murdoch, here's the way it's going to be.

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Speaker 3: Brother.

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Speaker 5: You've disrespected Donald J.

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Speaker 2: Trump long enough. Okay.

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Speaker 6: He goes to East Palestine and gets the Biden administration.

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Speaker 3: It's a global news event and you don't cover it live.

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Speaker 3: Is there that much happening.

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Speaker 6: On Fox News at two in the afternoon.

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Speaker 2: That you can't cover him live?

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Speaker 6: He hasn't been on Fox News since he announced for presidency.

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Speaker 6: Let me ask you, any guy that brought peace to

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Speaker 2: You would have him back up here to talk.

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Speaker 6: About the geopologus if you had respect for people. When

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Speaker 6: you do that, they don't respect you. Read the depositions,

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Speaker 6: the deposition. They have a fear, a loathing and contempt

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Speaker 5: A lot of this I want to make sure you understand,

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Speaker 5: particularly on Fox. When you're watching Fox, you're not watching Fox.

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Speaker 5: What you're watching is the murdochs.

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Speaker 5: The Murdocks have Paul Ryan on their board for a reason.

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Speaker 5: That reason is that they are the controlled opposition, and

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Speaker 5: they are the uniparty, and they're going to put the

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Speaker 5: uniparty people up there. Murdoch and Fox and sixteen. Let

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Speaker 5: me be blunt. They tried tonecap Trump with Megan Kelly

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Speaker 5: at the first debate. Okay and bright part we backed

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Speaker 5: was never They were always jiggy about that. Because I've

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Speaker 5: stop Trump in the MAGA movement, you can easily fit

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Speaker 5: in the Epstein situation. Right If you want the full

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Speaker 5: release of documents, the special prosecutor gets it.

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Speaker 2: And here's why.

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Speaker 5: Epstein is a key that picks the lock on so

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Speaker 5: many things, not just individuals, but also institutions, intelligence institutions,

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Speaker 2: This is why it's a time for choosing now.

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Speaker 5: We have to decide right now, and back to President

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Speaker 5: say hey, look all of your great work you just

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Speaker 5: A plan they had that wasn't random. That has to

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Speaker 2: Like all these other things. This is why the Justice.

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Speaker 5: Department is clearly overwhelmed with what they're working on. The

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Speaker 7: Today, the Justice Department is signal they're going to try

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Speaker 7: forget that. The Justice Department has a lot of other evidence,

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Speaker 2: I'm skeptical they had this big.

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Speaker 5: You know, Murdoch set this trap for Trump. He set

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Speaker 5: It could be DeSantis before the robot, you know, rusted

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Speaker 8: There's no one who hates Trump more than the Murdocks.

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Speaker 8: I got fired in April of twenty twenty three. In

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Speaker 8: May of twenty twenty three, they asked me to run

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Speaker 8: I'm not running for you. You know I would never

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Speaker 9: Hold on, I'm sorry Trump, you just said that, and

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Speaker 8: Journal, all of the paper time. Everyone absolute, yeah, we'll

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Speaker 8: I was already gone, they had already canceled my show.

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Speaker 8: You should run, my support you, you should run. We

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Speaker 5: Welcome. It's Friday, eighteen July. The OVERLWERD twenty twenty five

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Speaker 5: were so jammed with news today and my co host

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Speaker 2: The murdocks hate Trump.

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Speaker 5: The murdocks want to take down Trump, and this is

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Speaker 5: he's tried to do in the big beautiful Bill and

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Speaker 5: this is old man Murdoch who made the decision to

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Speaker 5: You know, Murdoch's you know, squirmmed out of having to

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Speaker 5: Fusion GPS is about as dirty as political operatives as

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Speaker 5: The Brazilian government has cracked down hard, essentially worsen house

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's more credible than the Wall Street Journal story.

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Speaker 5: This is our And you saw right there how brazen

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Speaker 12: preserve their country. It's not merely a function of criminality

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Speaker 12: and economic statistics.

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Speaker 13: That's part of it.

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Speaker 12: So that's why I think this is concerning on both ends, right,

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Speaker 12: the deep State isn't softening up. They're not taking this

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Speaker 12: as Oh, look, the Trump administration, they don't want to

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Speaker 12: dive into the Epstein files.

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Speaker 13: Let's just move on.

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Speaker 12: How sick is that that they're now weaponizing this against

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Speaker 12: them and the Trump administration is just putting out posts saying, oh,

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Speaker 12: it's a hoax, let's move on.

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Speaker 13: The reason why we know the other.

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Speaker 12: Hoax is that he caught out our hoaxes, or because

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Speaker 12: we actually had the information released to prove that, and

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Speaker 12: a lot of that information is the information that we

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Speaker 12: are now using on the show currently to disprove these

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Speaker 12: current allegations, because they're all coming from the Russia hoax,

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Speaker 12: the Fusion GPS hoax, the Steel dossier, the Hillary Clinton ties.

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Speaker 12: So this is why we're advocating for transparency. So, yes,

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Speaker 12: I blame the Wall Street Journal. This is obviously a

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Speaker 12: bogus story, but I think it's not a ridiculous assertion

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Speaker 12: to sit here and say that the Trump administration needs

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Speaker 12: to get their act together and release these documents, release

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Speaker 12: the relevant information. It's what his base once, not because

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Speaker 12: we're crazy, but because we understand who rules this country.

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Speaker 12: And by the way, President Trump, if you don't just

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Speaker 12: look at how they're coming after you in the Wall

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Speaker 12: Street Journal this morning last night.

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Speaker 2: Rather yeah, look at it.

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Speaker 5: Everything President Trump's done, the supply side, tax cut, all

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Speaker 5: of it, the issues this week on the Genius Act.

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Speaker 2: It's never enough. They're trying to storing Jack Natalie's hit

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Speaker 2: the core point of it.

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Speaker 5: This is why we called for a special prosecutor for everything,

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Speaker 5: to go back to Crossfire, Hurricane, to the bogus leak

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Speaker 5: of the of the dossier, the Steele dossier, all of it,

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Speaker 5: because it's all of a piece. This is how they're

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Speaker 5: coming after Trump to destroy him and the MAGA movement.

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Speaker 11: Sir Steve, when you look at the links directly tying

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Speaker 11: these operatives, the Steel Dossier, Crossfire Hurricane, the hoax, it

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Speaker 11: seems as though some of the statements, if you go

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Speaker 11: back and look at what President Trump was talking about,

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Speaker 11: it actually looks like this is what he was referring

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Speaker 11: to all along, because you can see the directly here

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Speaker 11: we are less than twelve hours after this thing dropped

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Speaker 11: in Boom direct link to Fusion GPS, direct link to

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Speaker 11: the Steel Dossier.

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Speaker 10: This stuff gets purported, and of.

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Speaker 11: Course when we have information, we've got files documents, you

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Speaker 11: know all of it. The media says, oh, don't look

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Speaker 11: at that, don't look at all that stuff.

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Speaker 10: Forget about that.

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Speaker 11: But they've got a source of a source of a

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Speaker 11: source when they can't even provide what they have because

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Speaker 11: they don't have the goods all of a sudden, that

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Speaker 11: gets full billing. But even the Democrats yesterday I got

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Speaker 11: to say, they were running around and they couldn't answer

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Speaker 11: the question why didn't you release any of this stuff

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Speaker 11: when you had full control of the government for four years?

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Speaker 11: If President Trump was implicated in any of these files,

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Speaker 11: and I've said this throughout, I said this for years,

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Speaker 11: if he was implicated in these files, why did you

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Speaker 11: sit on it? Why wouldn't Merrick Garland release it? You

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Speaker 11: wouldn't have needed a fusion GPS. You wouldn't have needed

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Speaker 11: this phony story about Russians and Moscow Tower and all

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Speaker 11: the rest. You wouldn't have needed any of that if

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Speaker 11: there was some direct, lifarious link to the Epstein files. No,

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Speaker 11: you also certainly wouldn't need of Merrick Garland and these

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Speaker 11: four trumped up ridiculous cases all throughout all throughout the country.

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Speaker 11: In twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four and by

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Speaker 11: the way, I'll even go a step further.

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Speaker 10: You got, Douglas. I thought this was a meme. I

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Speaker 10: just saw this.

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Speaker 11: Douglas Murray is up there in the New York Post

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Speaker 11: last night. He's got to think post eleven forty five PM.

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Speaker 11: It says, how many voters really care about Jeffrey Epstein?

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Speaker 10: How many voters really care about Jeffrey Epstein?

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Speaker 11: This is an actual guy from in the New York Post,

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Speaker 11: from Douglas Rody. Have you ever been Have you ever

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Speaker 11: been the island? Douglas? This is ridiculous. It's so and

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Speaker 11: they're they're treating you like fools. They're treating the American

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Speaker 11: people like fools. They're treating the MAGA movement like fools.

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Speaker 11: And let they tell you something. Maga hat stays on,

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Speaker 11: all right, The Maga hat stays on.

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Speaker 10: The Maga hat is fully on.

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Speaker 11: We're locked in, We're focused, and we'll see We'll see

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Speaker 11: you guys.

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Speaker 10: Give us your best shot, because we ain't going anywhere.

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Speaker 5: I want when we come back, I want to talk

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Speaker 5: about continuing on offense. When President Trump is talking about

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Speaker 5: as a massive civil suit against against Murdochs in the

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Speaker 5: in the in the Wall Street Journal. This is why

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Speaker 5: we need a special prosecut We need to ramp this

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Speaker 5: up to criminal. We need to see all the interconnections here.

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Speaker 5: And what they did first off, the letters completely looks

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Speaker 5: like it's completely made up because nobody's seen it. But

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Speaker 5: even what made up, it's irrelevant. This is they're just

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Speaker 5: trying to stir the pot here. And this is what

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Speaker 5: happens when you don't stay on offense. President Trump and

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Speaker 5: the MAGA movement is best on offense.

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Speaker 2: And all those have said, hey, let's move along, let's

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Speaker 2: move along.

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Speaker 5: No, you, This is a centerpiece of the deep state

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Speaker 5: trying to destroy Trump, going to destroy Trump and going

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Speaker 5: to destroy the MAGA movement. This is why I said

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Speaker 5: in Tampa the other day, you gotta do it. You

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Speaker 5: gotta do it now. And look, it's gonna be unpleasant,

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Speaker 5: but big deal. We've gone through enough. We've gone through

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Speaker 5: unpleasant stuff before. But you have to attack, attack, attack,

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Speaker 5: and now we need the apparatus for criminal charges and

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Speaker 5: criminal investigations. Civil is fine, but civil is not gonna

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Speaker 5: do it. Okay, short commercial break, take your phone out,

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Speaker 5: abandon nine eight nine eight nine eight text it Birch

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Speaker 5: Gold how to invest in gold and precious metals in

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Speaker 5: the age of.

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Speaker 2: Trump, particularly what's going on in Brazil right now. Folks

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Speaker 2: look at it.

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Speaker 5: This is the bricks Nations rising up and trying to

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Speaker 5: thwart the US dollars short break back in a moment.

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Speaker 10: Here's your host, Stephen K.

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Speaker 2: Bas Okay, Welcome back, Jack.

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Speaker 5: I want to talk about staying on offense here and

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Speaker 5: what needs to be done. Because it's great that Pam Bonding,

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Speaker 5: the Attorney General, is going to go petition the court

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Speaker 5: to release the grand jury testimony. Also, I think simultaneous,

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Speaker 5: she's got to look to unveil all the evidence that's

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Speaker 5: under seal, to unseal it.

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Speaker 2: But there's much more to do here. What is your recommendation?

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Speaker 11: Look, I think a lot of this comes down to

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Speaker 11: a guy who's already on board with the AG's office

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Speaker 11: over there at the Department of Justice, Ed Martin. You

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Speaker 11: got Ed Martin over there. He was the one who

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Speaker 11: was looking at pardons. Why not appoint ed Martin to

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Speaker 11: run a task force into Epstein, find out everything that

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Speaker 11: was going on, find out everything that was there, final everything.

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Speaker 10: That is releasable.

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Speaker 11: Protect the victim, of course, but then go after anything

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Speaker 11: that they've got out, whether it's Grand Jury that needs

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Speaker 11: to be petitioned, Okay, you go and make that petition. Then,

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Speaker 11: if you've got information, if you've got interviews, if you've

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Speaker 11: got videos at boom, make it out, Ed Martin, I

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Speaker 11: think demand for the job is already there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Thune, just Dune's got to bring Judge Janin to

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Speaker 5: the to a vote like asap. She came out of

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Speaker 5: committee yesterday for confirmation on that fiasco they had with

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Speaker 5: em will Bov and boy, I would love to have

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Speaker 5: m Wovy understand their teeming him up for the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 5: but man, we would we need em wi Bov right now.

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Speaker 5: But Judge dej Nein Thune's got to call the Senate

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Speaker 5: together and vote on her like Monday or Tuesday or

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Speaker 5: over the weekend. Don't go home, like vote on her immediately.

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Speaker 5: We need Judge Janine. You need Ed Martin.

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Speaker 2: I know. And for all the.

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Speaker 5: People saying there he's not thinking about special PRIs. There

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Speaker 5: are people arguing against that. I understand that, and people

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Speaker 5: that are very smart inside the administration close to President Trump.

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Speaker 5: But there are also other people arguing for it, and

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Speaker 5: I think our arguments far outweigh the negative jack also

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Speaker 5: other other means of staying on offense. Right now, the

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Speaker 5: MAGA movement's got to come together for all these people

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Speaker 5: said just nothing to see here. They're going to use

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Speaker 5: everything they can to destroy Trump on every element. And

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Speaker 5: this is why it's got to be raised up to

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Speaker 5: the level of a criminal investigation, not just civil. President

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Speaker 5: Trump is going to go after them civilly. He's already

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Speaker 5: beaten ABC, he's already beaten CBS. Steve Colbert got canceled

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Speaker 5: last night. Right, So you're winning many things. But a

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Speaker 5: civil suit against the is fine, a civil suit against Fox.

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Speaker 5: But we need to go We need to raise us

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Speaker 5: up to a criminal level, do we not, sir?

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Speaker 10: Look, that's what's so great about starting it this way.

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Speaker 11: You have someone go in there that you can trust,

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Speaker 11: that has the President's back.

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Speaker 10: That guy is Ed Martin. Ed Martin gets results.

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Speaker 11: That's why they were so terrified of him with the

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Speaker 11: US Attorney's office. Yeah, and then when he's pursuing all

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Speaker 11: of this and he finds information and said, wait a minute,

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Speaker 11: hold on this, you pull this threat a little bit more.

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Speaker 11: It raised to the level of criminal than boom. Now

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Speaker 11: you've got your probable cause. Now you've got your suspects.

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Speaker 11: Now you've got people that you.

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Speaker 10: Can go after.

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Speaker 11: Look, follow the evidence where it leads, of course, but

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Speaker 11: obviously we know that there was criminal activity involved with Epstein,

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Speaker 11: and it clearly involved more people than just Gallaine Maxwell

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Speaker 11: and Jeffrey Epstein. And they keep trying to tie to

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Speaker 11: President Trump in and the more they try to tie

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Speaker 11: him into this network, the dumber the story looks.

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Speaker 10: He's the guy who kicked him out of mar A Lago.

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Speaker 11: He's the guy who said, how can I help the investigators.

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Speaker 11: None of the other people, by the way, down there

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Speaker 11: in Palm Beach. It was President Trump, back when he

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Speaker 11: was the mar Alago club owner, when he was in

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Speaker 11: private capacity, said how can I help with this? So

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Speaker 11: those are the people, by the way, those are the

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Speaker 11: people who don't want this case looked into it. They

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Speaker 11: would prefer it be kept quiet. And that's why you

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Speaker 11: got all the Democrats in the mumble tank. When I

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Speaker 11: asked him about this, you got rasking up there, Little

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Speaker 11: Jamie Raskers, Oh, well, you.

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Speaker 10: Know, we were looking at different things than Jaiapa.

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Speaker 11: No, because Jack Smith and Merrick Garland, we're probably told

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Speaker 11: don't go down the Epstein rabbit hole.

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Speaker 5: It also goes right to the intelligence services of both

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Speaker 5: this country and Israel. Let's be blunt about this. That's

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Speaker 5: why all the israel first that comes up tell them

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Speaker 5: about vins. As guys say, they say, nothing to see here. Hey,

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Speaker 5: you got to take this to where it goes the investigation. Jack,

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Speaker 5: Where do people get you through the day? Thank you

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Speaker 5: for changing your schedule to come on. Where do folks

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Speaker 5: get you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: Of course we'll be up at Human Events daily today

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Speaker 11: at two pm. We're going to be getting into all

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Speaker 11: the latest with this. Obviously, we're also going to be

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Speaker 11: getting into some of the stuff that's going on overseas.

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Speaker 11: This strike in Israel on a Christian church. We've got

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Speaker 11: to figure out what exactly went on there. We know

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Speaker 11: the President called bb NET and Yaho got him to

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Speaker 11: put out this statement yesterday. But Cardal Pizzabala, who's someone

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Speaker 11: that we've talked about for several months here on Human Events,

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Speaker 11: went over to Rome with h with coverage of that

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Speaker 11: and coverage of the conclave. He's been very, very emphatic

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Speaker 11: on this strike, on this this Catholic church right there

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Speaker 11: in Gaza, trying to figure out exactly what went wrong.

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Speaker 11: Three people were killed in this thing. President Trump very

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Speaker 11: very upset the Catholic Church. They upset Pope Leo as

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Speaker 11: well coming.

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Speaker 10: Out on it.

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Speaker 5: By the way, who's upset to us? Huckaby the ambassador.

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Speaker 5: I think he's sent a letter about we don't feel

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Speaker 5: slow walking. You're slow walking.

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Speaker 11: Visas for the Christian visas visas for Christian groups. Times

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Speaker 11: Israel has it out, and Huckaby wrote a letter to

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Speaker 11: the entire Israeli government saying, we're going to We're going

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Speaker 11: to declare you hostile to Christians if you don't fix this.

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Speaker 5: This is not fuentees, this is the Times of Visual reporting.

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Speaker 5: Huckaby's furious about the evangelical groups who had some of

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Speaker 5: the biggest supporters visual not getting visas go over and

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Speaker 5: do their annual trips the show support. So Jack, we'll see.

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Speaker 5: We'll see at two o'clock on Human Events Day. Thank you, sir,

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Speaker 5: We'll be there. Natalie, I get a punch you're going

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Speaker 5: to take. We got Edward of Busson. Are you going

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Speaker 5: to jump on that? A major development down there in Brazil? Natalie,

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Speaker 5: Before I let you go though, staying on offense. You've

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Speaker 5: advocated this from the beginning, You've been one of the stalwarts.

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Speaker 5: Tell me where do you think we would go from here?

686
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Speaker 5: Where the next couple of days would you like to

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Speaker 5: see out of the administration as far as staying on

688
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Speaker 5: offense against the Murdochs, Wall Street Journal, Fox News, also

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Speaker 5: the intelligence apparatus, everything that's come to destroy President Trump.

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Speaker 10: Ma'am.

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Speaker 12: I think I want the names of people who are

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Speaker 12: stonewalling this information, whether they're politicals or careers. If now

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Speaker 12: Team Trump is on board with what I think the

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Speaker 12: warrem has been saying that we need to get this

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Speaker 12: information out there, then I'm sure there's going to be pushedback,

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Speaker 12: like we said from careers. As you know, we only

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Speaker 12: control what maybe point zero one percent the DOJ certainly

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Speaker 12: probably less than that.

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Speaker 13: But I think that we need to, you know.

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Speaker 12: Fight fire with fire. I'm sorry, Joe Biden destroyed this country.

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Speaker 12: If they were able to orchestrate an invasion of tens

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Speaker 12: of millions of people, tank the economy, forced people to

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Speaker 12: get experimental vaccines like I'm not asking you to concoct documents.

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Speaker 12: I'm not asking you to bring fake charges like they

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Speaker 12: did against you or Jan sixers. I'm just asking for

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Speaker 12: transparency on documents that apparently the DOJ is well aware of,

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Speaker 12: right the birthday you know book that they compiled.

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Speaker 13: I want to read the Wallstreet Journal quote.

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Speaker 12: Pages from the Leatherbound album, assembled before Epstein was first

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Speaker 12: arrested in two thousand and six, are among the documents

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Speaker 12: examined by Justice Department of Visuals, who investigated the two

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Speaker 12: of them years ago. It's unclear if any the pages

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Speaker 12: are part of the recent review. This is the kind

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Speaker 12: of stuff that we should be making public, right, that's

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Speaker 12: a I'm sorry. I thought the DJ had nothing related

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Speaker 12: to Epstein. Well this story sort of contradicts that, So

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Speaker 12: why don't we release it?

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Speaker 13: It's maddening, honestly, Steve.

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Speaker 12: I'm not going to be gas lit by people who

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Speaker 12: spent years, years basically rested their careers on the idea

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Speaker 12: that there is a deep state.

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Speaker 13: Now not just tell us that, oh, you.

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Speaker 12: Know, you should just move on, but that there's nothing

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Speaker 12: to release.

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Speaker 13: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 12: I was told by the AG just about a month

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Speaker 12: ago that she had a whole stack of papers on

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Speaker 12: her desk, So I think we need to figure out

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Speaker 12: who is responsible for this bungled messaging because to me

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Speaker 12: it reeks of someone covering up for someone. But I

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Speaker 12: think there's blame on both sides, and anyone who's not

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Speaker 12: willing to call that out.

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Speaker 13: You're a cultist.

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Speaker 12: You're not an ideologically driven Maga war Room POSSE member.

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Speaker 12: And like you said, it goes to the intelligence angle,

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Speaker 12: it goes to Israel and all of the Israel first

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Speaker 12: crowd that doesn't want to admit that you're just making

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Speaker 12: our point when you suddenly take the legacy media's you know,

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Speaker 12: hook line and sinker. Oh, there's nothing to see here,

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Speaker 12: we need to move on.

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Speaker 13: You're anti Semitic.

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Speaker 12: If you want to ask about what Epstein was doing

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Speaker 12: on behalf of foreign countries, probably wasn't just Israel. But

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Speaker 12: there's a lot of gas lighting going on here. And

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Speaker 12: where there is smoke, there's fire. Where there's the deep State,

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Speaker 12: in fusion GPS, there's fire too.

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Speaker 13: So let's just release it all and put it to rest.

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Speaker 2: Natalie G.

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Speaker 5: Wonders, you have the deck in the con Edward of

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Speaker 5: Bolsonaro's of you, horrible news out of Brazil today, I'll

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Speaker 5: turn of you. I will be back for the five

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Speaker 5: and six o'clock show. I've got some things I got

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Speaker 5: working on right now.

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Speaker 2: Natalie G.

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Speaker 5: Winners, the deck and the connois yours. See you tonight

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Speaker 5: at five o'clock, ma'am.

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Speaker 13: Thank you sir.

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Speaker 12: Speaking of the deep state and how we mobilize against it,

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Speaker 12: how they mobilize against us. We obviously know this fight

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Speaker 12: is international, and I don't think any country or man

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Speaker 12: that is. Of course, Eduardo Bulsonaro of Brazil has been

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Speaker 12: more so on the front lines of that fight. Honor

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Speaker 12: to be joined by his son Eduardo Bolsonaro with the

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Speaker 12: breaking news that the Brazilian police.

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Speaker 13: I think, at the request of.

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Speaker 12: The rogue Supreme Court, rated your father's home political headquarters

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Speaker 12: or him to wear an angle tag, also barring him

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Speaker 12: from speaking to foreign officials, talking embassies and posting on

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Speaker 12: social media. Of course, amidst uh the ongoing tarap dispute

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Speaker 12: between our two countries.

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Speaker 13: We've got a few minutes.

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Speaker 12: Can you just sort of give the audience and update

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Speaker 12: the latest with what is going on with your father.

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Speaker 14: Yes, everything that you are talking coming right after President

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Speaker 14: Trump sent that sent a letter or for my father

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Speaker 14: for President Jerry Bosonados Somatiz.

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Speaker 15: Is doing is what we can expect from him that

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Speaker 15: he's double doubling down again.

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Speaker 3: He always does that, and only to make sure that

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Speaker 3: everybody here is in the same page. My father, he

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Speaker 3: is his fault.

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Speaker 15: He accomplished all of as orders, even if he was

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Speaker 15: thinking that they were illegal orders. So there is no

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Speaker 15: reason to your travel to your travel. Then Jerry Bosnados

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Speaker 15: is his past support or now while he's doing is

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Speaker 15: basically a nhumiliation and he's challenging President Trump in front

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Speaker 15: of everybody. The good aspect of that is because he's

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Speaker 15: showing that he is the dictator, which I'm only saying

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Speaker 15: that Lula is a problem. Lula is a is a

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Speaker 15: crible now is a gangster. But Alexandro Mona is jumping

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Speaker 15: front of everybody and getting all this thing, all that

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Speaker 15: tension to him doing that. Why Jibo sonataken not to

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Speaker 15: use his social media just because yesterday he did a

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Speaker 15: video of faking President Trump about the letter that Trump

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Speaker 15: said to him. Why he has to now use an

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Speaker 15: ankle tag? Why all of that? Because this is the

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Speaker 15: persecution that we are facing in Brazil, and I'm always

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Speaker 15: telling my friends from the other countries in Latin America,

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Speaker 15: from Europe, from.

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Speaker 3: US, this is what they want to your country.

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Speaker 15: Brazil is just establishing a new a new model of

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Speaker 15: censorship in social media. Two weeks ago our Supreme Court

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Speaker 15: they decided a new way to do censorship and they're

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Speaker 15: going to export that to the rest of the world.

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Speaker 15: So it's very, very urgent that the United States, the

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Speaker 15: country of the freedom, the hum of the brave, to

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Speaker 15: send an answer for this regime to do not let

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Speaker 15: the Brazilian censorship model or the Brazilian sends a lawfare

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Speaker 15: model to be exported to other countries.

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Speaker 3: Because I know that if Morays win this war, this.

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Speaker 15: Battle, I don't think he will, but if he wins,

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Speaker 15: it's going to be a mess, not only Brazil, but

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Speaker 15: for sure you other countries around in the West.

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Speaker 12: And Edward, I'm just curious, do you think the reason

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Speaker 12: that they're doing this is because your father has movement,

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Speaker 12: the sort of global populace movement is so much on

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Speaker 12: the ascent that the only option they have is to

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Speaker 12: try to silence him.

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Speaker 3: Sure, yes, my father's the leader on the pulls.

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Speaker 15: And if the election was today, Clay would be Lula

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Speaker 15: da Silva the current president, even in the first round.

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Speaker 15: And for sure he's only suffering this persecution because of this,

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Speaker 15: even the Supreme Court Alisma is let clear for everybody

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Speaker 15: that he wants to convict, to condemn terrible Sonado to

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Speaker 15: up forty three years in jail. Is still this year

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Speaker 15: because next year is the election of Brazil, is the

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Speaker 15: year of the election, and he already talked with some

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Speaker 15: press saying that they would never let the mistake that

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Speaker 15: the United States committed letting Trump run for president.

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Speaker 3: They will not allow this thing happened in Brazil. So

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Speaker 3: they are spitting up as fast as we.

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Speaker 12: Jump, and you can just hang hang with us for

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Speaker 12: a few more minutes. I'm sure the audience wants to

834
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Speaker 12: know how they can help what they can post Warren

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Speaker 12: Posse will be right back after the short break.

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Speaker 13: Mike Ben, We're gonna talk show.

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Speaker 10: Come fast.

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Speaker 2: Use your host.

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Speaker 12: Gave welcome back to the war room. We still got

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Speaker 12: Edward Bolcenaro joining us at water. I'm sure you've got

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Speaker 12: a bounce, but just leave our audience with sort of

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Speaker 12: a final message of warning from you, your family and

843
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Speaker 12: your father. What the Maga movement, which certainly has received

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Speaker 12: a lot of the same rows you guys have, should

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Speaker 12: take from this and more importantly, how they can help

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Speaker 12: if we can post on social media and try to

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Speaker 12: circumvent Judge Moris.

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Speaker 15: Yes, only following what is happening in Brazil is good

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Speaker 15: for you to prevent future problems, a future kind of

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Speaker 15: law fair as a censorship that you can face the

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Speaker 15: United States. But we are we are really alerted everybody

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Speaker 15: because the only hope that we have is coming from

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Speaker 15: President Trump and his team included Secretary of Rubio and

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Speaker 15: some others to.

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Speaker 3: Fight back against that this lawfare in Brazil.

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Speaker 15: They want to sweep the opposition from the next serious

857
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Speaker 15: election does not include only Jari Bosonado.

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Speaker 3: Who is leading the pools nowadays.

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Speaker 15: So we really needed to answer to the a response,

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Speaker 15: and the time for that is right now because in

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Speaker 15: the future diplomatic actions like sanctions will not work.

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Speaker 3: In the future, that will be the.

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Speaker 15: Consolidation of this current regime of Brazil that's really going

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Speaker 15: following the Venezuela steps.

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Speaker 3: So do not let something that happen.

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Speaker 15: And also it will be a problem for the United

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Speaker 15: States because if twenty five percent of the Brazilians leave

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Speaker 15: the country, just like what happened with Venezuela, we are

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Speaker 15: talking about fifty million people live in Brazil and we

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Speaker 15: really do not want that.

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Speaker 3: So I appreciate all your support.

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Speaker 15: If you can follow me, I'm tweeting in English a

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Speaker 15: lot right now, mainly on x sonatospa is my account,

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Speaker 15: and God bless Brazil, God bless America.

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Speaker 13: Thank you so much for joining us. Our pursuer with

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Speaker 13: your father. Will look ford to having you on soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 12: Of course, that's why we need you guys in the fights.

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Speaker 12: Why you've got to be checking out tax Network USA.

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Speaker 13: We love the team over there.

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Speaker 12: That's TNUSA dot com, slash Bannon or you can call

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Speaker 12: one eight hundred nine five eight one thousand four free consultation.

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Speaker 13: Speak to the team.

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Speaker 12: I think one of the other, shall we say, overlapping

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Speaker 12: or convergent issues that we share with Brazil is, of

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Speaker 12: course the complete and utter domination of on infiltration by

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Speaker 12: the Chinese Communist Party. To that point, I want to

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Speaker 12: bring on Isaac Stonefish. Really, I think a concerning story

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Speaker 12: talking about how a lot of do D technological apparatus

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Speaker 12: their systems, they're start operating Microsoft Bus systems at that

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Speaker 12: no conspiracy, is no coincidence is there, but are actually

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Speaker 12: being run not administered by people in China.

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Speaker 13: It's a pro.

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Speaker 12: Publica investigation, but I wanted to bring you on to sort.

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Speaker 13: Of walk us through this, this bombshell.

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Speaker 16: Story studying journalism and basically five ten years ago, it

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Speaker 16: was the norm for US companies to subcontract, especially ten

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Speaker 16: years ago, subcontract sensitive work and sensitive technologies to China.

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Speaker 16: And Microsoft reportedly did that and they just haven't cleaned

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Speaker 16: it up since then. And so what we are facing

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Speaker 16: now is a situation where Microsoft still has pretty high

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Speaker 16: levels of China exposure and appears to be sharing sensitive

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Speaker 16: US personnel secrets with the Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 12: And just walk us through how I mean, we know

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Speaker 12: it's commonplace that a lot of these companies, but how

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Speaker 12: does this get through in terms of DoD contracting you know,

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Speaker 12: military work perhaps involving you know, classified, top secret, secret

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Speaker 12: information that I don't even that seems like a non starter.

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Speaker 16: It should be, and hopefully it will be more moving forward,

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Speaker 16: But the DoD, like many large bureaucracies, often works very slowly,

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Speaker 16: and so it seems in the story that the DoD

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Speaker 16: had no idea of what this was, and the spokesperson

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Speaker 16: was saying, Hey, I've never heard of this program. I

914
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Speaker 16: couldn't find information on it, what's going on here? And

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Speaker 16: so there's so many nooks and crannies in a bureaucracy

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Speaker 16: of that size, and so they let this happen. And really,

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Speaker 16: I hope this is a wake up call, and there's

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Speaker 16: been so many wake up calls, but the US government,

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Speaker 16: US companies need constant wake up calls about the risks

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Speaker 16: of subcontracting or exposing sensitive technologies to the Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 13: Well there's a lot of layers to this too.

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Speaker 12: I think if you sort of invoke the H one

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Speaker 12: B STEM debate, I think it was what just last

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Speaker 12: week that it was reported that Microsoft had applied for

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Speaker 12: sort of a new overwhelming tranche of H one B

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Speaker 12: visas just before letting go of a lot of American

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Speaker 12: born engineers.

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Speaker 13: So it's interesting to me that they're outsourcing too. I

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Speaker 13: don't know, only just war an adversary, the.

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Speaker 12: Chinese Communist Party DoD work, but is this something that

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Speaker 12: America has the technological infrastructure to facilitate. I mean, I

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Speaker 12: would think there's no real necessity to need to be

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Speaker 12: outsourcing this to our enemy.

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Speaker 16: The question of cost, and I think Microsoft and so

935
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Speaker 16: many companies just say, hey, I can do this in China.

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Speaker 16: I can do this in India. It's a lot cheaper.

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Speaker 16: India is far less of a security threat than China is.

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Speaker 16: And what it was is, you know, these companies, in

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Speaker 16: some cases still living in the twenty tens, where US

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Speaker 16: policy from Republicans and Democrats, especially early in the decade,

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Speaker 16: was hey, let's partner with China and let's strengthen the

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Speaker 16: Chinese Communist Party. But the world has changed drastically since then,

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Speaker 16: and companies really need to catch up.

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Speaker 12: And Isaac, I want to hold you through the break

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Speaker 12: because I want to pivot to this sort of new

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Speaker 12: idea that the reason why we need to give even

947
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Speaker 12: more IP in the form of, you know, some of

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Speaker 12: the conductors of these NAVIDYAI chips.

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Speaker 13: To China is how we're going to somehow stay.

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Speaker 12: Dominant in the tech space, while the same tech bros

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Speaker 12: Are also telling us that the only way we can

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Speaker 12: defeat China is by prevailing over them.

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Speaker 13: In the AI space.

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Speaker 12: Can you just sort of got about a minute bring

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Speaker 12: our audience up to speed on where we sort of

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Speaker 12: stand with this AI chip debate, the sort of export list,

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Speaker 12: the entity restrictions on exporting these to.

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Speaker 16: China Video CEO Jensen Huang was in China this week

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Speaker 16: receiving rockstar treatment from Chinese fans and the Chinese Communist Party,

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Speaker 16: and he is successfully can convinced the Trump administration that

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Speaker 16: strengthening Chinese AI companies and the Chinese Communist Party by

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Speaker 16: selling chips to China allows for American companies to be

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Speaker 16: the victor. And so that's the argument, and that's what

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Speaker 16: David Sachs and others said. Frankly, don't understand it, but

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Speaker 16: that's one side of the debate.

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Speaker 13: They are such clowns, Isaac.

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Speaker 12: If you can hang with us through the break, going

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Speaker 12: to unpack that, like I've always said, the same people

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Speaker 12: who are saying, the only way we can surpass the

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Speaker 12: Chinese Communist Party is by having an edge and technology

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Speaker 12: and AI while simultaneously lobbying you to want to import

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Speaker 12: even more each one bev so workers, by which the

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Speaker 12: second country that receives the highest number of them is China.

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Speaker 12: A company, a rather country that essentially acts like a

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Speaker 12: company estate owned industry, where they can basically requisition any

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Speaker 12: individual company to advance the interests of said Chinese Communist

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Speaker 12: Party for any reason whatsoever. Probably not the best approach

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Speaker 12: to national security, and I certainly won't be lectured by

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Speaker 12: people like David Sachs and that clownish, freakish beta male

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Speaker 12: weird podcast that they put out that is truly awful

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Speaker 12: to watch or not for censorship, but that one I.

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Speaker 13: Might maybe take off air. Will be right back. We're

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Speaker 13: going to dive into that some more after this short

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Speaker 13: break