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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, fresh, relaxed, rested after the Ravens

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Speaker 1: had a long weekend following their Thursday night football win

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Speaker 1: over the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Garrett, how did you spend your Sunday?

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Speaker 3: Oh it was great.

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Speaker 4: I did spend some time watching football. Of course, got

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Speaker 4: some work done around the house and outside. It was

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Speaker 4: nice weekend, so this is a good time to knock

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Speaker 4: some things off the list.

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Speaker 3: But it was also nice to sit and watch. Wait

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Speaker 3: the benefit.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of benefits of winning a game, but

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Speaker 4: when the benefit of winning a Thursday night game is

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Speaker 4: that you get to look forward to kicking back, feed up,

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Speaker 4: stress free watching the games on Sunday, and I definitely

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Speaker 4: spend some time doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good stuff.

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Speaker 1: I did none of those things, but I didn't catch

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Speaker 1: the highlights afterward. I was of course monitoring my fantasy

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Speaker 1: football scores and chasing children around.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it is crazy a to see the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: I was monitoring the Steelers Commanders game pretty pretty closely,

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Speaker 1: and to see them pull out another close win, it

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Speaker 1: feels like it's every week with them. It feels like

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Speaker 1: it's the same playbook with them every single week, close

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Speaker 1: game comes down to the fourth quarter, somebody either T J.

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Speaker 1: Watt gets a sack and now Russell Wilson, you know,

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Speaker 1: throws the game winning touchdown pass. Like they just win games.

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Speaker 1: They just win games late when they're in it, and like,

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Speaker 1: kudos to them. That's just I don't think they're the

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Speaker 1: best team roster wise A to Z in the in

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Speaker 1: the league, but they win games, yeah, and and close

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Speaker 1: games in particular, like they make the clutch plays when

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Speaker 1: it matters, and that's been the Steelers, it feels like

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Speaker 1: for the past I don't know, decade long long time.

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Speaker 1: Feels like that's just the Steelers. And now they're getting

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Speaker 1: good play for Russell Wilson. So to see them win,

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Speaker 1: see the Chiefs win again late in a game that

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Speaker 1: they easily could have lost, you know, had a short field.

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Speaker 4: Goal thirty five yard field goal that they blot the

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Speaker 4: game win, crazy time expired. You take that one's you

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Speaker 4: fig that one's safe. That's about as chippy as you

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Speaker 4: can get in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: And for them to win that game.

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Speaker 4: Both of those teams just seem to have a little

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Speaker 4: bit that took a little bit of the stress free

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Speaker 4: element out of the weekend when you had the Steelers

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Speaker 4: and the Chiefs winning games that you felt like could

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Speaker 4: have gone the other way. That both those teams like

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Speaker 4: they seem to have things break their way, and there's

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Speaker 4: a whole element that goes along with it. But I

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Speaker 4: also think part of it is that they're well disciplined teams,

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Speaker 4: they're well coached teams. They have veteran players who seem

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Speaker 4: to make big plays in big moments, and all those

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Speaker 4: things matter when it comes down to winning close games

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Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter. And I think that's that's like

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Speaker 4: a simple way of looking at why they've been so good.

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Speaker 4: But I do think that there's a real factor of

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Speaker 4: those things that we see play out on Sundays.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, I think both those teams. When

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Speaker 1: we talk about the conversation among about the NFL's elite

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Speaker 1: teams right now, certainly the Ravens are in that conversation,

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Speaker 1: is like, they might be the best team in the league,

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Speaker 1: the most talented, they have the best offense in the league.

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Speaker 1: They might have the best one of the best off

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Speaker 1: offenses in league history. Right So, like you look at

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Speaker 1: the Ravens, you say, man, they're absolutely one of the teams,

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Speaker 1: if not the best. But they're sitting behind both those

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Speaker 1: teams and the standings right the Ravens will go to

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh this Sunday with first place in AFC North on

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Speaker 1: the line, and so it's just interesting to see. You

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Speaker 1: look at those teams, you say, man, those are teams

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Speaker 1: who like have like won these games that the Ravens

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Speaker 1: have lost light in games, you know, and they lost

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Speaker 1: obviously laid against the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 1: To be above those teams, not just in terms of

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Speaker 1: like your talent and your potential, what your your ceiling is,

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Speaker 1: but be above them in the standings and beat them,

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Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta win, play well late in games,

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Speaker 1: you gotta win in those clutch, critical situations. And that's

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Speaker 1: what I think in large part Sunday's game is gonna

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Speaker 4: I think the Ravens and they have shown the abilities

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Speaker 4: it relates to the Steelers, they're an interesting team because

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Speaker 4: their schedule does get tougher the second half of the season,

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Speaker 4: starting this week with this matchup.

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Speaker 1: But they have two games against the Bengals remaining. They

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Speaker 1: go play the game, yet they.

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Speaker 2: Play the Chiefs. Yep.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So they got two against the Ravens, two against

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Speaker 4: the Bengals. They got a game against the Chiefs in

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Speaker 4: the mix. There also the Texans. So like they've got

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Speaker 4: a tough stretch here the rest of the way and

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Speaker 4: it'll be interesting. But I think they're a good team.

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Speaker 4: I really think that they are. They I think I

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Speaker 4: got a great defense, and I think that their offense

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Speaker 4: Wilson seems to be playing his best football in a

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Speaker 4: few years. So they're a talented team.

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Speaker 1: They don't they don't they don't play the text they

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Speaker 1: play the Eagles. That's what you're thinking of, exactly. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a really good game.

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Speaker 1: They're a very good team, and stepping back just outside

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Speaker 1: the AFC North Division race, it is this weekend has

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Speaker 1: crystallized kind of who the contenders versus the pretenders in

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Speaker 1: the AFC playoff picture in general. And I mean you

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Speaker 1: might as all the AFC East has decided. The Bills

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Speaker 1: are five games up right.

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, five games after ten, so it's pretty clear.

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Speaker 1: That the Bills the Chiefs, Ravens or Steelers to win

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Speaker 1: the AFC North. And then the Texans have a two

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Speaker 1: on a losing streak. The Colts have lost three in

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Speaker 1: would clearly be the division winners that I just ran through.

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Speaker 1: Whoever doesn't win the division in the AFC North between

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Speaker 2: That's how it looks like.

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Speaker 1: And then you have the Chargers at six and three

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Speaker 2: Yep, they're playing good football. They've won three in a row.

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Speaker 1: So then it really comes down to the third wild

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Speaker 1: including to the Ravens. Broncos are five and five, and

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Speaker 1: and like we said after Thursday Nights game, I would

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Speaker 1: not rule the Bengals out in that competition for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're really looking at that last spot.

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Speaker 4: It's basically Broncos are Bengals and that's really where the

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Speaker 4: interest is going to be. And the Bengals this week

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Speaker 4: so both of those teams are on that list there

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Speaker 3: But I do think that there is separation that we're

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Speaker 1: But for the Ravens, well week sorry, Week seventeen, it's

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Speaker 1: going to probably come down to Bengals versus Broncos week seventeen.

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Speaker 1: They play each other week seventeen, that's correct, Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: so that game is going to be obviously huge when

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Speaker 1: it comes down to the standings. The other factor too,

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Speaker 1: They've got some they've got a there on that lead

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Speaker 1: for the top spot in the AFC, sitting there undefeated Now,

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Speaker 1: other teams can still catch them if they dropped a

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Speaker 1: So it seems like they've I mean, they are certainly

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Speaker 3: It relates to the AFC's number one overall.

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Speaker 1: So you know how many points that the Chiefs have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just crazy, Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 4: So. Now the big thing for the Ravens, of course,

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Speaker 4: top of the division, the Ravens can win that. But

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Speaker 4: it's gonna take them beating the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: John Harball was pretty clear about it.

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Speaker 1: You win the division, you have to win division games exactly.

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Speaker 1: Ravens have not done that against well against the Steelers

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Speaker 1: in recent years. Yeah, so that that starts this week, yep.

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Speaker 1: So let's get in to John Harball's Monday press conference. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Hamilton's injury status after he suffered an ankle spring against

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Speaker 1: the Bengals. There were reports over the weekend that the

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Speaker 1: talking about tests. They were encouraging, and John Harwall basically

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Speaker 1: Hamilton is day to day basically said we'll see on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: He's been rehabing all week, but he didn't rule him

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Speaker 4: Kyle Hamilton's one of the best players on the team,

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Speaker 4: a leader of this defense. So if he's not out there,

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Speaker 4: that changes things, and especially for a secondary that has

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Speaker 3: So we're going to talk about here if you'll lose him.

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Speaker 3: He's been the one sure thing in that secondary this season.

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Speaker 1: I will say that Kyle Hamilton is a guy who

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Speaker 1: if he can play, he will play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, he's incredibly tough, incredibly tough player.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen him kind of got down, get

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Speaker 1: bumps and bruises and look worse than bumps and bruises.

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Speaker 2: And he's back out there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what the scary back injury in training game

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And even even like this one, I think it's

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Speaker 4: a sigh of relief in the sense that, like when

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Speaker 3: And so a few days removed now for.

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Speaker 4: It to be having a day, for us to be

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Speaker 4: having a day to day conversation is a very good

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Speaker 4: thing compared to where we felt for an instant on

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 4: And now the Steelers are dealing with some injuries too,

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Speaker 4: and I'll just mentioned this looking ahead of this game.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the big one for them is that Alex

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Speaker 4: like he is not going to play. They're talking about

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Speaker 2: That's the most in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: That's fifteen or more yards in terms of passing plays,

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Speaker 1: Exactly, and so and they've been Joe Burrow was particularly

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Speaker 4: There's been these issues where there's pass offs it seems

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Speaker 4: And the Ravens expect to get more out of their

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Speaker 4: And so what's the answer there. I don't know why

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Speaker 4: Do you see any of these what's the mix here

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Speaker 2: You know, he's he's had his tougher moments too.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think that he's an answer at safety,

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Speaker 4: even though that was asked about during the press conference today.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I think The good news for the defense is

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Speaker 1: that the pass rush was a lot better that was

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Speaker 1: the against the Bengals, and and off. You know, you'll

443
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Speaker 1: hear all the time pass rush and pass coverage go

444
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Speaker 1: hand in hand, right, And if the pass rush continues

445
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Speaker 1: to play like it did against Joe Burrow and the

446
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Speaker 1: Bengals when they got thirteen quarterback hits, Nomdy had three sacks.

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Speaker 1: If they continue to play like they did Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: that is definitely going to help the past defense turn around.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: It didn't then.

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Speaker 1: But I think that Burrow made some pretty spectacular throws

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Speaker 1: despite you know, getting chased all over the yard, and

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Speaker 1: so I don't expect that. Look, Burr is probably a

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Speaker 1: top five quarterback, you know, and so like I don't

455
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Speaker 1: expect every guy to play like that. I don't expect

456
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, for as well as he's playing right now,

457
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Speaker 1: to probably have that much success if the Ravens put

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Speaker 1: that much.

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Speaker 2: Pressure on Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so, you know, that was really good to

461
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Speaker 1: see Nomde getting it cranked up. I think Travis Jones

462
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Speaker 1: being healthier from his ankle now, he's going to be

463
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Speaker 1: even hopefully a little more healthy given the the extra

464
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Speaker 1: days off him playing season high and snaps is really

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Speaker 1: good and so that is is great news for this

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Speaker 1: Ravens defense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one other note on the pass rush too. This

468
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Speaker 4: kind of flew under the radar a little bit, but

469
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Speaker 4: the Ravens did make a.

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Speaker 3: Roster move before the game.

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Speaker 4: They released Yanniking Gockway in order to make room for

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Speaker 4: Keaton Mitchell who was activated and so then and Gotway

473
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Speaker 4: had to pass through waivers and he was claimed by

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Speaker 4: the New England Patriots. There were reports that the Ravens

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Speaker 4: wanted to bring in Gotway back to the practice squad.

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Speaker 4: That's where he started the season for the Ravens, initially

477
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Speaker 4: on the practice squad before they pulled him up to

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Speaker 4: the fifty three. So he gets signed by the Patriots.

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Speaker 4: So he's no longer here now. It's not like he was.

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Speaker 4: You know, there was a reason they released him. It's

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Speaker 4: not like he was making a huge impact from a

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Speaker 4: pass rush standpoint. But that is one guy, just so

483
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Speaker 4: fans know, if you're thinking about the pass rusher, she's

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Speaker 4: no longer in the mix. He's a New Land Patriot now.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I thought, I thought David Ajabo, you know

486
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Speaker 1: who was a healthy scratch back to back weeks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he flashed a little bit.

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Speaker 1: He had one quarterback hit in particular, I remember on

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Speaker 1: Burrow burn off the edge, and so there's I don't

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Speaker 1: know that Yan was like playing all that much better

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Speaker 1: than a jabo, you know. So I think, hey, give

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Speaker 1: the young guys some stats and let him continue to

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Speaker 1: grow his game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that if a Jabo can elevate,

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Speaker 4: I think that being in a healthy strats for a

496
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Speaker 4: couple of games, I'm sure to him was a bit

497
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Speaker 4: of a wake up call, and it was that's difficult,

498
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Speaker 4: you know, for a player that has high expectations. So

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Speaker 4: hopefully he can use that his motivation and get moving

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Speaker 4: on the right track, which I think we saw indications

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Speaker 4: of that in this game.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll take a break.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll talk about the Ravens offense

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Speaker 1: and how it looked on film against the Bengals, as

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Speaker 1: well as how it could evolve heading into Sunday's matchup

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Speaker 1: against the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to the Lounge podcast. We are coming to

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Speaker 4: you from the Sea Keek Studio. We also want to

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Speaker 4: The Crown is Yours. So the Raves offense can used

512
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Speaker 4: a role. We spent all the time talking about the defense,

513
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Speaker 4: but the good news for this team is that this

514
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Speaker 4: offense is the best in the NFL. I think Lamar

515
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Speaker 4: Jackson is having another MVP season. He's leading the way

516
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Speaker 4: from an odd standpoint in the MVP race.

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Speaker 3: And he just continues to put up remarkable numbers.

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Speaker 4: And I think that we get just as a side note,

519
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Speaker 4: like we get so caught up and I'm guilty of it.

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00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 4: Two playoff standings and where things are going and all

521
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Speaker 4: this stuff and what's at the end of the road. Man, Like,

522
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Speaker 4: sometimes I forget how much fun this guy is to watch.

523
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Speaker 4: I need to sit and just enjoy, like how amazing

524
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Speaker 4: it is. For a long time, Ravens fans will be like, man,

525
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Speaker 4: I wish we had a player like that. It would

526
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Speaker 4: be awesome to have a player like that. He was

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Speaker 4: in the MVP conversation as one of the stars of

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Speaker 4: the league. Well we got him, we got him, and

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Speaker 4: it's it's he's he's a joy to watch. So just

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Speaker 4: a little side note there, But.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually it's so funny that you bring that up.

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Speaker 1: I got a text from one of my college buddies, Andrew,

533
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Speaker 1: who said, Man, I'll tell you, watching the offense is

534
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Speaker 1: so much fun primetime games. You actually get to watch

535
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Speaker 1: all the plays and they're just relentless. Even if the

536
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Speaker 1: first half was slopping, it was so much fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just like yeah, I was like exactly, like we have

538
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Speaker 1: the best player on the planet and he's playing it

539
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Speaker 1: the best of his career and like, gosh, man, just

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Speaker 1: sit back and enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I remember when when we sat down with coachar Ball

543
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Speaker 4: before the season on the podcast and he talked about

544
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Speaker 4: Lamar getting better and seeing strives in his game, and

545
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Speaker 4: I just asked him, like, do you really, like, do

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Speaker 4: you actually think he can get better? Like he's already

547
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Speaker 4: been to time MVP, Like how much high was the

548
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Speaker 4: ceiling here? I know everyone says that, but yeah, and

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Speaker 4: he made the point like, oh yeah, like didn't hesitate,

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Speaker 4: like I absolutely think so, just in terms of this

551
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Speaker 4: offense and the understanding of it and what it's going

552
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Speaker 4: to look like in the second year under Todd, And

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Speaker 4: he was right, we're seeing it.

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Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, Yeah, it's it is a pleasure. And now,

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Speaker 1: you know, against the Bengals, Yeah, they did have a

556
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Speaker 1: little bit of a slower start. I think some of

557
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Speaker 1: that was penalties, self induced kind of mistakes. But the

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Speaker 1: funny thing is when you go back and you look

559
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Speaker 1: at the numbers, like and you look at how the

560
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Speaker 1: Bengals tried to defend them, they really changed what they

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Speaker 1: did the first time they faced the Ravens versus the

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Speaker 1: second time, and I think it perfectly illustrated the problems

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Speaker 1: that teams are having when defending Lamar Jackson this offense.

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Speaker 1: It's like I just always like envisioned the shrug emoji.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, yeah, I don't know, because the first

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Speaker 1: time the Bengals faced the Ravens, they blitzed at a

567
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Speaker 1: very high rate.

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Speaker 2: The second time they blitzed at.

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Speaker 1: A very low rate. And Lamar Jackson tore it up

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Speaker 1: both times. Yeah, and so like teams just don't know,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, he's been the best against the

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Speaker 1: blitz in the league this year, Lamar has. And so

573
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Speaker 1: the way he's seeing things, changing plays, adjusting, getting the

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Speaker 1: ball out, knows where you know, his hot receiver is,

575
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Speaker 1: knows where to go with the football when pressure is coming,

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Speaker 1: like it's been exceptional, and so I think that he

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Speaker 1: teams have not yet found any kind of consistent way

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Speaker 1: to attack this Ravens offense.

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Speaker 2: And not only is it.

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Speaker 1: From like attacking Lamar and a schematic standpoint, but then

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Speaker 1: it's a personnel you know the issue too. It's like

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Speaker 1: you have all the different guys who can beat you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean you look at the Bengals game

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Speaker 1: and like, okay, now you have Mark Andrews scores a

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Speaker 1: big touchdown. He's been heating up recently. Right. Rashad Bateman,

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Speaker 1: he scores in the game winner in the back of

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Speaker 1: the end zone. Baitman had his biggest game of the year.

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Speaker 4: Owen Tylan Wallace is the leading receiver exactly found out

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Speaker 4: in the sideline exactly like you.

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Speaker 1: Gotta worry about Tyan Wallace now, right, And so like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just all these different guys stepping up at various times.

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Speaker 1: It makes And by the way, they still have Keaton

593
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Speaker 1: Mitchell and Deontay Johnson too, awesome weapons who.

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Speaker 4: Haven't really had their turn yet. Yeah, so let's talk

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Speaker 4: about those two guys. So we did get some updates

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Speaker 4: on them. This week Hardball made the point on really

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Speaker 4: both of them, that their offensive role is only going

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Speaker 4: to grow. Keat Mitchell was activated for the game. They

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Speaker 4: like him as in the kick returner role, which he.

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Speaker 3: Was back there. We didn't really get to see him

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Speaker 3: do much.

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Speaker 2: So return one for thirty yards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a little bit limited.

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Speaker 4: But I think that he's going to have a chance

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Speaker 4: back there now, whether he brings it out of the

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Speaker 4: end zone or whether teams give him a chance to

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Speaker 4: bring it out of the end zone, there's another story.

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Speaker 1: But he brought down out of the nswer and they did.

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Speaker 1: He was a couple of yards back there. I can

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Speaker 1: see the I'm sure he was just like, I'm supposed.

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Speaker 3: To kneel this. The rams have been pretty clear if

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Speaker 3: it's in the end zone, we'rekneeling it.

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Speaker 2: But he was like.

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Speaker 4: And so and then. And from an offensive standpoint, his

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Speaker 4: role is only going to grow. And I thought John

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Speaker 4: Harbo made an interesting comment about that. He said, yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's just gonna his role is going to grow on offense.

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Speaker 4: And I like the idea of the three headed monster

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Speaker 4: that we have back there.

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Speaker 2: Now. The question is who are the three heads?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we know Derrick Henry is one and Keaton

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Speaker 1: as he's referencing, is Lamar the other head or is Justice?

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Speaker 3: Is he talking about the three headed running back monster.

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Speaker 3: It's a four headed monster. It is a foreheaded monster,

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think he's probably talking

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Speaker 3: about the running back group because.

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Speaker 2: That is Hydra.

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Speaker 4: I think that is what's the forehead of even though,

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Speaker 4: but I think that is a really good running back group. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: Derek Henry is leading the way in the NFL this year,

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Speaker 4: but then you have adicially, they compliment each other so well,

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Speaker 4: all three of them.

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Speaker 3: If you add Keaton Mitchell to that mix, because.

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Speaker 4: Henry is the do it all guy, who is who's

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Speaker 4: the hammer, who's leading the NFL and all these rushing categories.

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Speaker 4: Then you have Justice Hill, who's great out of the backfield,

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Speaker 4: who can't still run between the tackles if you need

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Speaker 4: him to, but he's great out of the backfield and

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Speaker 4: in four minute two minute situations. And then Keithon Mitchell.

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Speaker 4: He's not gonna get the volume, but every time he

642
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Speaker 4: touches it, people are holding their breast because he can

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Speaker 4: take it.

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Speaker 3: To the house.

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Speaker 4: So I think that like it is a scary thought

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Speaker 4: to have all those guys playing at their best.

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Speaker 1: I can totally agree. Hydra, by the way, is a

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Speaker 1: multi headed monster. It doesn't have the necessarily before, but

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Speaker 1: when you cut off one of its head, two more

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Speaker 1: grow back.

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Speaker 3: So you take one of these guys away, schematically two.

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Speaker 4: Coming at you well and then and then to your point,

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Speaker 4: like you add Lamar into that equation just from a

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Speaker 4: running standpoint, not to mention even all the elements of

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Speaker 4: the passing game that just which way to defenders choose

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Speaker 4: to go is so difficult for them to make that

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Speaker 4: assessment within these plays if you have, like I think,

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Speaker 4: I would be curious to see if the Ravens find

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Speaker 4: ways to put Lamar, Derrick Henry, and Keith Mitchell in

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Speaker 4: the backfield together.

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Speaker 3: But that's an interesting thought.

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Speaker 1: But it's a lot of it's a lot of speed, and.

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Speaker 4: I'm just curious if like that is exciting potential, if

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Speaker 4: they can find ways to get those three guys back

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Speaker 4: there together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just trying to imagine it, what it looks

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Speaker 1: like tailback.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I don't know. It's interesting.

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Speaker 4: We can we can throw us some on thoughts to Todd,

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Speaker 4: he's always you know, he's scouring social media for plays, well,

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Speaker 4: you know, munking jokes like when you know guys always

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Speaker 4: guys will bring in play sometimes and he's like, you know,

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Speaker 4: sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but.

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Speaker 3: You know, we'll see if that's why. I only can

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Speaker 3: imagine his face if I were to bring him a play. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: hey day, Todd, I've been working on this one. Brought

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Speaker 3: it up. I think you'd love it.

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Speaker 2: I think you'd love it.

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Speaker 3: He's a I want to work on that.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of I mentioned Mark Andrews earlier, and I just

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Speaker 1: want to circle back to this because remember at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the season, with all to talk about Mark

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Speaker 1: Andrews and you know our Mark's.

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Speaker 2: Best days behind him.

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Speaker 1: Ye yeah, all this stuff like there's just a lot

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Speaker 1: of hand ring going on around Raven Station. Well, over

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Speaker 1: the last six games, he's averaged nearly fifty yards receiving

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Speaker 1: per game and he scored five touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been on a roll.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's back to Mark and with Isaiah likely sidelined,

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Speaker 1: and now it remains to be seen how long that

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Speaker 1: will remain with a hamstring injury. As long as Isaiah

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Speaker 1: is sidelined, I think Mark Andrews is just going to eat. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you want Isaiah back because the Ravens, that's another guy.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the Lamar Jackson's most trusted in top targets.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Mark Andrews is more than capable of

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Speaker 1: picking up the slack. And I think that we saw

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Speaker 1: it in the game against the Bengals. The street ball,

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Speaker 1: the feel for the defense. Mark broke off that route

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Speaker 1: and took it to the end zone. He improvised on

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Speaker 1: that play. And that's part of what makes the two

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Speaker 1: of them so great. It's it's a little bit similar.

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Speaker 4: I know, Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow, like they've been

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Speaker 4: together for so long in the NFL and in college,

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Speaker 4: so they just have the connection with each other. And

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Speaker 4: same thing for Homes and Kelsey. It's the same thing

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Speaker 4: for Andrews and Lamar. They have this connection and that

708
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Speaker 4: is a real thing for having an understanding where the

709
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Speaker 4: other guy's going to go, having the freedom to break

710
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Speaker 4: off a route and take it, take it deep when

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00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: that's not necessarily what's called for. All those things help

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Speaker 4: this team and that gives them more confidence and we're

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Speaker 4: seeing it from Marcus. It's I'm really happy that he's

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Speaker 4: playing back to what we're used to seeing from Mark Andrews.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: I will say last point for me on the offense,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about it, you know, keithon Mitchell and

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Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson, and you know Deontay is he only had

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Speaker 1: I think five offensive snaps this past week against the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: He had two targets.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, But it is and I do think that

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Speaker 1: his snaps will increase. But like you know, snaps increase,

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Speaker 1: you're taking it away from somebody, and I generally think

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Speaker 1: that's probably Nelly, and Nelly continues to make some place too,

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Speaker 1: right exactly, So like it's kind of there's not an

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Speaker 1: easy path. Like we all it's always like, oh, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's good news that like they're gonna get more snaps.

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Speaker 1: Keaton's gonna get more snaps and Deontay's gonna get snaps.

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Speaker 1: Like great, sounds good. Those are two towns of guys.

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Speaker 1: I want them to get more snaps. Well, but that's

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Speaker 1: taking snaps from other towns, right exactly, Like there's not

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Speaker 1: infinite and well, I guess the hope is that, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're taking eighty offensive snaps a game, whatever, right, But like.

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Speaker 3: You know, Justice Hill has been awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really want to see Justice Hill snaps

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Speaker 1: decline that much, to be honest, I know. And like

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Speaker 1: Nelly's been on a on a roll, and Zay and

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Speaker 1: Bite have been playing great. So there's not an easy

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Speaker 1: I don't think as much as like John says, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's I think those guys snaps are going to increase.

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Speaker 1: And I think that for Deontay, it can be frustrating

742
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Speaker 1: when you get traded to a new team and you're

743
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Speaker 1: really excited about it and you're like, all right, I'm

744
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: playing for the ray Is now these winners, and like, oh, well,

745
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Speaker 1: I'm not catching any balls.

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Speaker 2: I'm about to be a free agent. I was catching

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Speaker 2: a bunch of balls with Carolina.

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Speaker 1: That's like that can be tough. Now I'm going against

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Speaker 1: my former team. You think he wants to have a

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Speaker 1: good game against the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he does.

752
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: Bet your buddy, he wants.

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Speaker 1: To have a good game against this former team that

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Speaker 1: traded them away. Yeah, And so like it's a it's

755
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: a There definitely is a challenge here and a struggle

756
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: of like keeping those guys happy and making them feel engaged.

757
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: And you're part of the offense and utilizing them, but

758
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: also not like taking away from what's worked for you

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00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: so far in the best offense in the league.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 4: I think all that is is a real challenge, and

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Speaker 4: it's I've felt that way, especially about the Keaton conversation.

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00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 4: The great thing about Keaton, to be honest, is he's

764
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 4: not a volume player necessarily completely can have five carries,

765
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 4: but he can have five carries and then it becomes

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Speaker 4: five for eighty yards exist and that's what the beauty

767
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Speaker 4: of his skill set brings to the equation. One final

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Speaker 4: email here that I want to get to also actually

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Speaker 4: the second part of the previous email that I read

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Speaker 4: from Dave. He said, by the way, was that Garrett

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Speaker 4: asking Marlon a question about momentum after he had already

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Speaker 4: answered that in the POSTGAMESE interview with hashtag rookie moment

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Speaker 4: And I just wanted to defend myself here, Dave, because

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Speaker 4: just to set the stage, I walk into the locker

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Speaker 4: room and Marlon was talking with reporters, but you don't

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Speaker 4: necessarily know where he is in the process of that

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Speaker 4: of that interview, and.

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Speaker 2: I had already gotten great answers, and I.

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Speaker 4: Look around the room and I see who's in the mix,

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Speaker 4: and I see like Minx there, so he probably didn't

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Speaker 4: ask any good questions.

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Speaker 3: I got to make sure. I got to make sure

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Speaker 3: that I just get this one covered.

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Speaker 4: And I can't count on the rest of the guys there,

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Speaker 4: so I may have doubled up there, but I came

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Speaker 4: into the postgame pressor in the middle of it. So

787
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 4: just a side note there, that was bad. That was

788
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Speaker 4: a little Jay journalism, like gart I liked. I had

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Speaker 4: a read it because I liked the hashtag working moment.

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Speaker 4: So we're gonna be sending Dave a shirt and we're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna be wow for clouding you well for clown and

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00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: Garrett Man. Where the emails are gonna be popping.

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00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you can always email us at the Lounge

794
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 4: at Ravens dot NFL dot net. We've been giving out

795
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 4: a bunch of the Lounge shirts. This email comes to

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00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 4: us from Irene Hunter, who says, I love listening to

797
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: the podcast. As a busy mom of two young boys,

798
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 4: I don't have time to watch ESPAN all day for

799
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 4: the latest news, and let's be real, I only care

800
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 4: about what's going on with the Ravens so listening to

801
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 4: the Lounge is a perfect way for me, and it

802
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 4: makes my horrorcle commute and house chaos a little bit

803
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 4: more enjoyable. So her question, she says, I tend to

804
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 4: enjoy getting to know the players when they get interviewed.

805
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 4: It humanizes them a little bit more and showcases they're humble,

806
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 4: hard working and often funny personality. So the question here

807
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 4: is who has been your favorite player or coach that

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00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 4: you have interviewed on the Lounge.

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00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a good question, and it's a best friend

810
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: of the Lounge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the best friend. It's this is a hard question.

812
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 4: I didn't give you a heads up on this, and

813
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: I was thinking about it.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a hard because like ever on the Lounge.

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00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, she says that you have ever have that you've

816
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 4: inn So it could go back to the very first episode.

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Speaker 1: Very first guest was Justin Tucker. He Sizzel was a

818
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: pretty good guest. I remember way back when he was

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Speaker 1: like the fifth episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a very early one.

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Speaker 2: You know, he was pretty good.

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00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 3: I think that there's different like.

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00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: Charlie Kohler this year. Charlie Koehler was a riot. Yeah,

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00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: he enjoyed that one.

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00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: He was great.

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Speaker 4: My honest answer is that, And this is like maybe

827
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Speaker 4: the low hanging fruit, But I really feel like if

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Speaker 4: you go back and listen to the interviews that we've

829
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Speaker 4: done with Lamar Jackson in his career, it's been really

830
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: enlightening to hear from him. I feel like when he

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Speaker 4: sits down with us, like we've got a rapport, especially

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Speaker 4: now it's been We've worked with him for several years,

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00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: and so there's a familiarity there and.

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Speaker 2: Hear you always hear a different side of Lamar.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like he opens up in ways that I don't

836
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: typically hear him do on press conferences or even in

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Speaker 4: some of the sit down interviews that you'll watch on

838
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 4: Sunday Night Football or Thursday Night Football, Like it just

839
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Speaker 4: seems like he opens.

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00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: Up a little bit more.

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Speaker 4: And so I've always enjoyed that that he gives us

842
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: that honest version I guess of himself. So I guess

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Lamar.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one. Yeah, I don't have a better one.

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Speaker 3: Off tell my head, Okay, all right, Coler Colon, I

846
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Speaker 3: mean Cohler.

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Speaker 2: This year was really fun.

848
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Speaker 1: He was great to Homilton is always a great I

849
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: always enjoyed talking to Kyle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 4: Well last year when we did Kyle, we had him

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Speaker 4: recite Pie if you remember.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was pretty impressive.

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Speaker 4: It was and he got to like twenties and then

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Speaker 4: you forgot to refeature that on Pie We used, did you, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we used that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did.

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Speaker 3: Used to cut it. Yeah, he's all right. All right,

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Speaker 3: I thought forget.

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Speaker 1: I thought you, I would never blame Bryson for anything,

861
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Speaker 1: but you talk about forgetting big.

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Speaker 4: You forgot that we actually even did it. So anyway,

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Speaker 4: we appreciate the emails, both from Dave and Irene.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: You can reach us at the lounge at Ravens at

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Speaker 4: NFL dot net. Thank you for listening, and we'll be

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Speaker 4: back with you later this week