WEBVTT - Is Gambling a Sin?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what's up everybody, Thanks for being here. If you

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<v Speaker 1>I don't always have the right answers, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a bunch of notes sitting in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I what I have learned of the of

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<v Speaker 1>the last several years of doing this. My goal really

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<v Speaker 1>is to get you, mister questioner, missus questioner, is to

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<v Speaker 1>get you thinking so that you could answer your own questions. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I guess I should say that way. My

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<v Speaker 1>goal is not to have a podcast that we go

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty years and just try to exhaust every single

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<v Speaker 1>possible question that I could possibly answer. Really, the goal

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<v Speaker 1>is if you listen consistently, I hope you do. My

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<v Speaker 1>goal is that you go. I'm starting to see how

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<v Speaker 1>Granger gets his answers from I like his answers. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you don't like them all. Surely you don't like all

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<v Speaker 1>my answers. That would be impossible. We all have different taste.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, I like a lot of the way Granger

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<v Speaker 1>answers questions, and I'm starting to see how he gets

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<v Speaker 1>his answers so that I could I could start answering

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<v Speaker 1>my own questions in that same way. So it's really

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<v Speaker 1>more of of learning how to think, or learning how

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<v Speaker 1>to think through a question. There's really even of these

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<v Speaker 1>questions I always get to are very specific. There's only

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<v Speaker 1>there's only seven to ten actual questions, and everything else

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<v Speaker 1>is just caught in the details of it. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to the first one comes from Madison again.

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<v Speaker 1>She emailed podcast at grangersmith dot com. And I'm kicking

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<v Speaker 1>off with Madison's question here because this is what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to kind of base this little first break on.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll show you what I mean. She asked us, Hey, Granger,

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<v Speaker 1>it maybe that I can't recall from reading my Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>or that it isn't something that is within the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>at all, But how does sports betting align with the

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<v Speaker 1>Christian value system? I have friends within my community church

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<v Speaker 1>that partake in sports betting, and more than anything, this

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<v Speaker 1>is just a general thought. Is gambling a sin? That's

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<v Speaker 1>your question? God Bless Madison. So yeah, her question is basically,

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<v Speaker 1>is gambling a sin? It's in the context of sports betting,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't think there's an argument there that every

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<v Speaker 1>kind of betting, every kind of betting that there is

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<v Speaker 1>is would be under the umbrella of gambling. So you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to be in a casino pulling a slot

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<v Speaker 1>machine lever for it to be called gambling. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be in a back alley playing poker in

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of shambly bar for it to be considered gambling.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be just like, oh, and I should say

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<v Speaker 1>this too, It doesn't have to be illegal. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be weird to only consider the sin part

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<v Speaker 1>of gambling if it is a sin. We'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>that if it's illegal or not, Because anything that's illegal

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<v Speaker 1>would be considered a sin at some level, because you

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<v Speaker 1>would be going against the authority at some level. We

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a different question. Maybe someone else could ask

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<v Speaker 1>that specifically and we could dive into that, But specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>what I want talking about is legal gambling. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>a sin? And that's basically what Madison's asking. She says,

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<v Speaker 1>there are people in her church that do it, so

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<v Speaker 1>let's think about it. I think we should think about

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<v Speaker 1>it in some ways, like alcohol. You know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>substance that you could certainly abuse. It's a substance that is,

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<v Speaker 1>if used in the right way, legal, and yet in

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<v Speaker 1>so many other ways it could be devastating to a

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<v Speaker 1>life with gambling. I first, I think, I think my

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<v Speaker 1>first thought I would go to considering it's legal, and

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<v Speaker 1>can consider this too. Maybe never mind, let me start here,

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<v Speaker 1>as you could see, I make this up as I go. Y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's let's start with make sure Madison that you

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<v Speaker 1>understand that as we judge those Hey look, look, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible doesn't say don't judge period. In the story. The

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<v Speaker 1>Bible says, be careful with your judging, because you'll be

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<v Speaker 1>judged according to the same measure. So there are definitely

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<v Speaker 1>some things that we should judge with with our brothers

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<v Speaker 1>and sisters, we should we should judge them in it like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't don't misunderstand that we don't judge. We just like

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<v Speaker 1>turn a blind eye to everything. We have no opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just like neutral robots. And we don't care what

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<v Speaker 1>other people do around this. Don't judge. I see that

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes on social media it's like, hey, don't judge. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what the Bible says, that's not what Jesus says.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's the idea of don't don't judge unless

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<v Speaker 1>you are willing to be judged according to the same

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<v Speaker 1>measure and a lot of the same measures we want

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<v Speaker 1>to be judged by. Okay, so let's start there and say,

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<v Speaker 1>let's be sure that you're you're you're you're not worried

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<v Speaker 1>about the speck in your brother's eye, and you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a log in your own eye. Let's make sure we're

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<v Speaker 1>removing the log in our own eye. It is or Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Jesus's idea that make sure when we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at other people, like, hey, those guys are those guys

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<v Speaker 1>are gambling, and then you're going home and you're having

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<v Speaker 1>it too many glasses of wine at home. You know, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>those guys are gambling. What's wrong with those guys? As

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<v Speaker 1>we're popping too many pain pills, Hey, those guys are gambling.

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<v Speaker 1>As we're addicted to social media, cannot get our heads

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<v Speaker 1>out of our screen. We're so addicted to it. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>those guys are gambling, and the list goes on and on.

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<v Speaker 1>Make sure first before we say anything, let's make sure

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<v Speaker 1>we remove the log from our own eye before we

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<v Speaker 1>look to anyone else. Okay, now, let's talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also this aspect that I don't think there's anything

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with someone in an innocent way saying, look, I

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<v Speaker 1>legitimately like to go and bet on a sports team.

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<v Speaker 1>It's legal, and I use twenty bucks. I like to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I like to bet on the super Bowl every year

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<v Speaker 1>as a tradition. Hypothetically, there's a Super Bowl tradition I

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<v Speaker 1>have in my family. I like to put twenty bucks

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<v Speaker 1>on the team from the west of the Mississippi. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I don't know why you would do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I personally don't gamble at all, But I'm saying, let's

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<v Speaker 1>think about the guy that goes. I like to put

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<v Speaker 1>twenty dollars. It's a tradition I do every year on

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<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl, and there's no harm in it. I

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<v Speaker 1>budget twenty bucks. You know, it's not like going to

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<v Speaker 1>break the bank or anything. It's legal. I do it

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<v Speaker 1>in a legal way. I do it in a setting

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<v Speaker 1>of camaraderie. People around me, we do it together. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing wrong with that, But let's dive into why it

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<v Speaker 1>could be wrong if taken the wrong way, if seen

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong way in the wrong setting. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>gambling in so many ways has an underlying issue of

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<v Speaker 1>a love of money or greed. Right. The Bible speaks

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<v Speaker 1>thoroughly about this. Second, our first Timothy is six ' ten.

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<v Speaker 1>The love of money is the root of all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of evil. Some people eager for money have wandered from

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<v Speaker 1>the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs or many pangs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's tough, right, and we know this. Some people eager

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<v Speaker 1>for money have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves

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<v Speaker 1>with many griefs. The Bible says that Paul speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>Timothy here in his letter, he's writing a Timothy. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we have to go. I don't know, Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I agree with that. All of us,

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<v Speaker 1>non believers, believers, all of us go. Yeah, I see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see that everywhere. What about Proverbs twenty eight twenty

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<v Speaker 1>A faithful person will be richly blessed but one eager

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<v Speaker 1>to get rich will not go unpunished. That's interesting. So

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<v Speaker 1>many times gambling is that the idea of it itself

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<v Speaker 1>just stems from a desire to quickly gain wealth. And

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<v Speaker 1>trying to quickly gain wealth, that's reflecting a love of money, agreed,

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<v Speaker 1>which the Bible condemns. It's dangerous. It's dangerous for you.

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<v Speaker 1>The other issue I think about is poor stewardship. Poor stewardship.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're called to be faithful stewarts responsible and if

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<v Speaker 1>you're using gambling, not the guy that says I bet

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<v Speaker 1>once a year on the super Bowl for twenty bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about that guy, but I'm saying, if

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<v Speaker 1>this is something you're into all the time, or the

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<v Speaker 1>people at the community church you're talking about, we would

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<v Speaker 1>have to consider something like Luke sixteen to ten that

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<v Speaker 1>says whoever can be trusted with very little can also

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<v Speaker 1>be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very

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<v Speaker 1>little will also be dishonest with much. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will

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<v Speaker 1>trust you with true riches? That's interesting. Once again, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a thing that you don't have to go out

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe that. You just look around you go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. Man, If I can't trust you with

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<v Speaker 1>a penny, why would I ever trust you with one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred bucks. It doesn't You don't have to be reading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible to just see that played out inner world

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<v Speaker 1>around us. So the Bible is always going to call

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<v Speaker 1>us to be responsible stewards of our resources, knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>God gives us everything. So when you're risking money and

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<v Speaker 1>gambling in a careless type setting, this is a way

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<v Speaker 1>that could hurt your stewardship and could be better used

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<v Speaker 1>in different ways. I think that's obvious. The other thing

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<v Speaker 1>that gambling kind of brings up in my mind is

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<v Speaker 1>a lack of contentment, right, a lack of contentment. Hebrews

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen to five says, keep your lives free from the

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<v Speaker 1>love of money and be content with what you have

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<v Speaker 1>because God has said I will never leave you, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forsake you. And so so many times you see

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<v Speaker 1>gambling turn into something that is reflecting a discontentment in

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<v Speaker 1>their current situation. It's like, man, I want to sit

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<v Speaker 1>at this table a little bit longer, because if I

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<v Speaker 1>can get this and this and this, I'm gonna be happy,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's totally going to contradict what the Bible calls

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<v Speaker 1>to be content. Here's an important one I think about two.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the impact of gambling on others? And this

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<v Speaker 1>is including the guy that bets on the Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>once a year. This is where I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous for him as well. You become a stumbling box

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<v Speaker 1>for others. Philippians two four says, don't look to your

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<v Speaker 1>own interest, but each of you look into the interest

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<v Speaker 1>of others. I'm paraphrasing all these and if someone is

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<v Speaker 1>struggling with gambling, or if they're struggling with any of

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<v Speaker 1>the things lack of contentment, poor stewardship, the love of money,

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<v Speaker 1>and greed, if anyone around you is struggling with these

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<v Speaker 1>and they see you going, yeah, I like to gamble

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<v Speaker 1>once a year on a football game, even if you

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<v Speaker 1>know how to have self control about it, that might

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<v Speaker 1>open the door to someone else that is struggling with

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<v Speaker 1>all of these things I've listed, and that becomes dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>for them, and so you become a stumbling block for them,

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<v Speaker 1>and that could just have endless repercussions on their families

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<v Speaker 1>and their community. Financial strain, relational conflicts with their spouse.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if we are truly, like the Bible says,

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<v Speaker 1>considering others and the well being of others before our

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<v Speaker 1>own desires, or at least equal to that, I think

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<v Speaker 1>gambling in many ways could be a stumbling book. And finally,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, probably most importantly, I think we need to

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<v Speaker 1>consider this the addictive behavior of gambling itself and what

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<v Speaker 1>it can cause. Even to the guy that says I

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<v Speaker 1>bet once a year on the Super Bowl, there is

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<v Speaker 1>a sense, and we see this play out, that gambling

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<v Speaker 1>becomes addictive, and there are certainly certain personalities that it's

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<v Speaker 1>more addictive too. So maybe I could use myself as

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<v Speaker 1>an example when it comes to this stuff. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>personally have a super addictive personality, but my brother Tyler does.

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<v Speaker 1>He recognizes that and I recognize it. So that means

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler has to be more careful around things that are

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<v Speaker 1>traditionally addictive to other humans. If something has been traditionally

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<v Speaker 1>addictive to people, Tyler's going to fall into it, not

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<v Speaker 1>due to some extent, but not to the extent of him.

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<v Speaker 1>Meaning there's nothing there's nothing good or bad about me

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<v Speaker 1>or Tyler in that aspect, except for this, just different personalities,

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<v Speaker 1>and so knowing that gambling is one of these things

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<v Speaker 1>that easily can become addictive, we need to consider that

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<v Speaker 1>when we're considering if gambling is a sin. One Corinthian

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<v Speaker 1>six twelve says, Paul's talking here. I have the right

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<v Speaker 1>to say anything you say, but not everything is beneficial.

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<v Speaker 1>I have the right to do anything, but I will

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<v Speaker 1>not be mastered by anything. Paul says. I will not

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<v Speaker 1>be mastered by anything. He's saying in another way, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be addicted to something. And that could

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<v Speaker 1>be anything. It could be anything in life that masters you.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be anxiety, or it could be poorn, It

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<v Speaker 1>could be Instagram, or could be sports betting. There's there's

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<v Speaker 1>an endless thing we can go through here. There's endless

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<v Speaker 1>things that you could be mastered by that I could

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<v Speaker 1>be mastered by. An addiction to relationships like I'm online

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<v Speaker 1>dating could be that could master you. Trying to be

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<v Speaker 1>a good father, you know, that could be something that

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<v Speaker 1>you become obsessive over and you can't stop thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't stop working to be a good father. Something

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<v Speaker 1>that has such good intentions could could be something that

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<v Speaker 1>ends up mastering you. So it's not just cigarettes or opioids.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be something that inherently is good, but it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes a master over you. An obsession, an addiction, and

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<v Speaker 1>gambling is for sure in that category. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to argue that. No one's gonna argue that whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>is about that neurologically it draws certain people in, if

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<v Speaker 1>not everyone, at some level, there's just something about it

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<v Speaker 1>that draws you in. And the Bible says don't be

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<v Speaker 1>mastered by anything. And so this also goes to my

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<v Speaker 1>fourth point, the impact on others. If others could be

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<v Speaker 1>more addictive than you to certain things and you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>it and you have total self control over it, and

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<v Speaker 1>someone else sees you and they say, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do what he's doing or she's doing. I'm gonna try

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<v Speaker 1>it out a little bit, and as soon as they do,

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<v Speaker 1>they realize they're addicted, not like the first person was.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a problem, and you just cause your brother to stumble.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hope when you hear these things, I hope,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you can come to it a conclusion. You're

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<v Speaker 1>like I said at the beginning, where I don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>want to give you an answer as much as I

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<v Speaker 1>want to help you think through things, and then when

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<v Speaker 1>you think of all that and you go, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably not worth it, right, It's probably not worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>I personally have played music in so many casinos in

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<v Speaker 1>my life, so many I could never count how many

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<v Speaker 1>casinos I've been and how many places in the world

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in some kind of casino atmosphere. I have zero,

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<v Speaker 1>zero desire at all to gamble. I just don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like it if I lose twenty dollars at a

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<v Speaker 1>blackjack table, I instantly think about what that twenty dollars

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<v Speaker 1>could have bought, Like man, that could have been half

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<v Speaker 1>of a really, really nice stake, and in my mind

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<v Speaker 1>I can't get over that. I know that there are

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<v Speaker 1>definitely people that do it purely out of entertainment, and

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<v Speaker 1>to those people, I say, Okay, consider the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I've said here on this podcast, and to the original email,

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<v Speaker 1>I say, hey, Madison, let's make sure that you're prepared

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<v Speaker 1>to be judged on the same Measure'll move on. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish y'all could have seen the very first grangersmith dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like two thousand and one, two thousand and two.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember it said grangersmith dot com. You go there.

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<v Speaker 1>It has like a little Texas flag, like blowing in

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<v Speaker 1>and it had like my tour dates and a couple

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<v Speaker 1>other things. I definitely didn't sell anything. I didn't sell

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<v Speaker 1>a T shirt or a hat. That didn't come till

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<v Speaker 1>about two thousand and five. And my brother Tyler helped

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<v Speaker 1>me with that. He's been with me every since as

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<v Speaker 1>my manager, and we started selling. We noticed quickly that

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<v Speaker 1>And I think a lot of businesses do the same.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember one time we got away from Shopify to

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<v Speaker 1>was horrible. We lost a lot of numbers, we lost

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fans that were impatient with the checkout system,

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<v Speaker 1>hold of me, go to cameo dot com slash granger Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>You will find me there and from there I could

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<v Speaker 1>build you a video message. I get your notes and

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<v Speaker 1>what you want me to say, like happy birthday, happy anniversary,

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<v Speaker 1>a word of encouragement, congratulations, good job on the graduation,

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<v Speaker 1>or why did you not make graduation? Whatever you want

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<v Speaker 1>me to say. I'll read those notes and I pull

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<v Speaker 1>out my phone and I record a video message and

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<v Speaker 1>I say whatever you need me to say to whoever

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<v Speaker 1>you need me to say it too, and I send

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<v Speaker 1>it right back to you. It's super simple. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>great gift for the person that you don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>to buy for. Again, go to Cameo c am eo

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<v Speaker 1>dot com slash grangers. Next question comes from Jacob once again.

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob emailed podcast at grangersmith dot com and you can too.

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob says, Hey, my name is Jacob. I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>brief backstory. I met my wife in high school and

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<v Speaker 1>we started dating after graduation, and then I shipped off

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<v Speaker 1>to the Air Force BMT. Two months later. We spent

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<v Speaker 1>four months four years excuse me long distance. After that,

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<v Speaker 1>I was stationed in Georgia while she was back home

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<v Speaker 1>in Ohio going to college, and once she graduated, she

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<v Speaker 1>moved down with me. We're currently living in Virginia. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a one year old son together, and we are

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<v Speaker 1>constantly fighting. I know I'm not perfect. I make mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>but every time I make a mistake, she jumps to

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<v Speaker 1>yelling and screaming at me. I get so defensive and

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<v Speaker 1>it just rises from there. I start to see this

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<v Speaker 1>marriage not working out. But I know that the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>says that divorce is only okay if there's been cheating involved.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just losing hope in this relationship, and she is too.

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<v Speaker 1>We're tired of fighting and we don't want our son

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of it. Any advice prayers would be amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks yee, Jacob, Jacob, I'm so sorry, brother. I hate

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<v Speaker 1>to see this for you, and I know this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is a tough spot. I'm gonna I'm gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>some math here. Four years Let's see you date. You

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<v Speaker 1>dated in high school four years long distance? Did you

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<v Speaker 1>say when you get married. I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm guessing. We're talking about five years marriage

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<v Speaker 1>here and a one year old son together, constantly fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>What I want to talk about here? I could get

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<v Speaker 1>into the to the nitty gritty really of a relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have before on this podcast, and I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's what you're looking for. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you're asking me, Hey, is it okay if I just

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<v Speaker 1>divorce this woman? I think that's basically what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't see that there's a like a

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<v Speaker 1>a need or desire to reconcile the relationship. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you're more or less you're just like, hey, we fight.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tired of it. She's tired of it. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want my son seeing this. I want out. But I

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<v Speaker 1>have one problem, Granger. The Bible says that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>good to get a divorce. So what am I going

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<v Speaker 1>to do? I'm losing hope here. In fact, it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like Jacob, it sounds like you're saying, if it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>for the Bible, I'd just be out. It's what everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else does, right, so the whole world does. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like so what I want to do, Jacob, I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is so important. Instead of instead of me getting

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<v Speaker 1>into the nitty gritty of your relationship, because honestly, I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't know that much about it. Besides, you make

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<v Speaker 1>mistakes and she jumps you. I don't know. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about what it means about being a Christian

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<v Speaker 1>and dealing with divorce. I think this is so often

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<v Speaker 1>misunderstood and not talked about, but really, traditionally, this is

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<v Speaker 1>how it should be, and this is how it has been,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what I want you to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming. I'm just assuming, forgive me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming you're not in a meaningful relationship with the church,

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<v Speaker 1>a good, healthy church that has a proportionate amount of

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<v Speaker 1>pastors to the amount of congregates or members or people

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<v Speaker 1>that attend, so that if there were problems in the congregation,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a personal relationship with one of the pastors,

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<v Speaker 1>so that you could work through it. And you probably

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<v Speaker 1>know where I'm going with this. My point is it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's an amazing thought, and it's biblical, and it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>No Christian should deal with divorce alone. And better said,

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<v Speaker 1>and more, this punches the gut a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>To a Christian, divorce is not a private matter. It's crazy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's what we're called to do. And for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason in our culture, in today's age, divorce, family

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<v Speaker 1>problems have become a private matter, something that we just

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<v Speaker 1>keep behind closed doors, and it festers and it gets worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Shut the windows, shut the doors, put the kid in

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<v Speaker 1>his room, shut his door, and let's fight it out.

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<v Speaker 1>And then one day the couple emerges into the community

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<v Speaker 1>and says, we're separated, we're now getting a divorce, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the community goes, oh, so sorry, yeah, we're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we've already followed the papers. That's what that's what we say.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the way it's supposed to be for Christians.

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<v Speaker 1>And it stings a little bit right when I say

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<v Speaker 1>that for a Christian, divorce is not a private matter. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a community matter. It should be done in

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<v Speaker 1>the community of the church, so that you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to email a podcast and ask about it. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to email stranger, this former country singer that has

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast and ask him advice. You don't even know him,

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't know you, and he didn't know your situation

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't have to think about it. Instead, it's

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<v Speaker 1>done in the community of the church itself. And today

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<v Speaker 1>in this age, we hear that, we go, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's business, this is my private issue, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>You marry in front of the community, right, and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>affirms you, in front of your family and your friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and you stand up there and you make your vows

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<v Speaker 1>under God with the preacher, and you say it in

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<v Speaker 1>front of everyone around, so that they could all attest

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<v Speaker 1>and they could affirm your marriage and your love for

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<v Speaker 1>each other. And they say by being there, by being

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<v Speaker 1>in attendance of the wedding, they say, we will walk

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<v Speaker 1>forward through sickness and in health, through happiness, through sadness,

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<v Speaker 1>through grief. We will be there with you because all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff is coming, because you're a human on planet Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff is coming, and we will walk with

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<v Speaker 1>you as a community through that. But then somehow we've

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<v Speaker 1>lost that idea. Later in the marriage, five years in

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<v Speaker 1>you have problems and you close all the doors in

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<v Speaker 1>the windows, and it becomes a private matter in the community.

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:50.160
<v Speaker 1>The church is no longer in it at all, until

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:52.919
<v Speaker 1>you emerge and you tell everybody. Then we've decided to

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:58.159
<v Speaker 1>get a divorce, and collectively, people don't say it, but

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 1>they think, why didn't you, Why didn't you open up

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:04.640
<v Speaker 1>to us? Why couldn't we have walked you through this?

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Why couldn't we have been the ones to say no,

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 1>it's not time for that. We're gonna help you fight through.

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:15.360
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna walk through this with you. And here's we're

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna help you this way. We're gonna help you this way,

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna tell her to stop that. We're gonna

0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:21.199
<v Speaker 1>tell you to stop it, and we're gonna tell her

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 1>to keep doing that. We're gonna tell you to keep

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 1>doing that. But collectively, as a tribe, as a family,

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 1>as a unit, as a community, as a church, which

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:35.879
<v Speaker 1>literally in its word means gathering, we come together and

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 1>we walk this with you. And then when I start slipping,

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>I want you to walk with me and my wife.

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 1>And then when there's somethings happened, when your boy, we

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 1>want to step in. We want to help raise your

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>boy with you, and something's happening weird with your girl.

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 1>We want to step in as a community as a

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 1>church and help you collectively raise this girl. Because we

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>have women and old ladies that could help pour into

0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 1>your wife as she's wondering how to be a good

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 1>mother to a daughter. And we have men and all

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 1>men and grandpa's that could help you so you don't

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 1>have to be alone and learning how to raise a boy.

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>This is how it's always been done in human culture

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>until now. It's everything's private. It's a private matter. Don't

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 1>tell anyone. Hush hush, sweep it under the rug. That's

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>not the way it should be. It's not the way

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 1>God designed it to be. Didn't design marriage to be private,

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 1>which is why we do the ceremony of marriage in public.

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>So I want to encourage you to think more in

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 1>that way that your problems, your marriage problems, your divorce pending,

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>it's not private. Open it up to the church. Open

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 1>it up starting with your pastor get people to pray

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>for you. Get other couples to tell you how they

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>made it through times that were tough, so that you

0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 1>could have an older couple that goes, yeah, I remember

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>those days. I remember the one year old at home,

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I remember the father that travels, I remember the wife

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>grumbling about it. And this is this is what we did.

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 1>We had the same problem guys, and this is what

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>we did to walk through it. How could we help

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 1>you walk through it as well? Because going through that

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 1>divorce is not going to fix anything. You know that right,

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 1>look around at culture. Going through the divorce itself. It's

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 1>not gonna fix your own problems. The fact it just

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>perpetuates the cycle. You get into another relationship and it

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>happens again. You think at first, oh, this is great,

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>it feels good. Everything's right now. I finally found the

0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>right one. It's all I needed was to put the

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 1>right puzzle piece in. And then you realize quickly, yeah,

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>the same problems start coming up because you're still you

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't you don't. You don't have to take my

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>word for it. You just got to look around and see,

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>this is what happens in life, this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>what we do. So that's my advice. I'm not digging

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>into the problems that you're having. I'm just saying, bring

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>it to the church, bring it to your pastor walk

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 1>through sit there and say what can we do to

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>reconcile this. All I want to do is fix this.

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 1>It's the best thing for your son, and it's the

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:15.239
<v Speaker 1>best thing for you. And listen, I'm not saying what

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying. Don't hear me saying, stay together, no

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 1>matter what it all costs, stay with this woman. I'm

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 1>not saying that. I'm saying. The decision whether or not

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 1>you should or you shouldn't doesn't have to be all

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 1>left to yourself. It could be done in community, just

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>like it was done in the wedding ceremony itself. Next

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 1>question comes from Ben, says he Grendarm. My name is Ben.

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm a dad to a five month old boy who

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>means everything to me, and a husband to a wonderful wife.

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 1>I was raised in the Southern Baptist Church, where my

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 1>dad has been the preacher my whole life. My wife

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>was raised Church of Christ and feels firmly about her

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Church of Christ. Since we've been married, we've attended the

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Curch Church of Christ because that's where she wanted to go.

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>But I still feel don't feel totally comfortable as to

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<v Speaker 1>know what side I'm on, and frankly, I don't feel

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>like I should be on a side. I just want

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 1>to honor God with my life and follow him. But

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>this has caused some heartache in our home, trying to

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>decide where we will raise our son and future kids

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 1>at church. Any advice for navigating this decision? Things? All, right, Ben,

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>interesting right back to back questions. It's interesting First of

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>all to people outside of this question. I will say

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>that having the conversation about how how you'll raise your

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 1>kids and what kind of church you'll go to, things

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 1>like that, those are important things to work out before

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>you get married, because in it it's a lot more difficult.

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Outside of it, you could work it out and you

0:32:57.960 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>could go, hey, I don't think we could make this work,

0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and this might be the end of our relationship because

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>of it. Right, So just work it out before. But

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>when you're in it like you are been, you can't

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>help that. Now. My first thought is for context, I

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 1>am a Southern Baptist seminarian and my mother's family is

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>all Church of Christ. So I in some way I

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 1>have empathy for the situation. I understand, I at least

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 1>understand it to some degree. Not I don't understand your life,

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 1>but I understand the dynamic of Church of Christ and

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Baptist Church Southern Baptist. So as we as we dive

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 1>into this, I want to say, first and foremost, you

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 1>are called biblically to be the spiritual leader of your household.

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 1>This is not in some dominating, dominating way, This is

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>not in some oppressive way. But you are called from

0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the Bible to lead the family spiritually. And when you don't,

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 1>when you don't step into what you were called to

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 1>do as a man, problems happen. And so then you

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:09.360
<v Speaker 1>come to the podcast and you say, look, I have

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>a problem, and I want to make sure and that's okay,

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk through it, but I want to make

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>sure before I get into it. I want to make

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 1>sure I'm showing you where the problem came from. Like

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.560
<v Speaker 1>here it is Ben, Look this, I want you to

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:22.319
<v Speaker 1>make sure you know where the source of the problem is.

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 1>The source of the problem. Is you not stepping into

0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 1>the spiritual leader of the household that the Bible has

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 1>called you, not granger, not someone on YouTube, but what

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:37.760
<v Speaker 1>God has called you to step into as a man,

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<v Speaker 1>as the spiritual leader of your house saying this is

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<v Speaker 1>where we're going to go to church, this is how

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:52.319
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna pray, this is how we're gonna worship. And

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 1>we've already gone down a road here that it feels

0:34:56.080 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 1>like that's in serious jeopardy, So here we are. I

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<v Speaker 1>also want to point out second thing I want to say.

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>And I hear this all the time. It's not your fault,

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:09.320
<v Speaker 1>but the idea of I don't want to pick a side.

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 1>I just want to honor God and mote with my

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:14.359
<v Speaker 1>life and follow him. That sounds so beautiful, Ben, I'm

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 1>so glad that that's how you feel. And I feel

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 1>the same way. But when we start getting into the

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:26.279
<v Speaker 1>practical outworking of that, I have to say, well, okay, Ben,

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 1>well what does baptism look like? And you say it

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 1>looks like this granger? And I say, well, what is

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 1>taking the Lord's Supper look like? And you say it

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:34.880
<v Speaker 1>looks like this? And I say what does a band

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:36.920
<v Speaker 1>in a church look like? And you say this? And

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:39.879
<v Speaker 1>I say what does salvation look like? According to you?

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 1>And you say like this. And by the time we

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:45.799
<v Speaker 1>answer ten or twelve questions, you're in a denomination, you know,

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:51.439
<v Speaker 1>And so you have to understand that, as much as

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 1>it sounds amazing to just I don't want to pick

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a denomination. That's what you're saying when you say side,

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to pick a denomination. I just want

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:01.320
<v Speaker 1>to follow God. And honor him with my life. I say, wonderful,

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 1>that's amazing. But everyone has certain things that have a

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 1>proclivity of being in a denomination. If you say I

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 1>don't ever want drums in church, I don't think drums

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 1>belong in church, then you've identified something in your personality

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>that's leaning somewhere. If you say baptism should be total immersion,

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 1>or if you say baptism should be sprinkling babies, you've identified,

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 1>either way some aspect of a denomination of people that

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 1>you agree with. Now, let me say that there are

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:39.400
<v Speaker 1>four core fundamental elements pillars that you have to agree with.

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>No matter what denomination you believe, you have to believe

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:47.040
<v Speaker 1>four core things. Number one, you have to believe that

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 1>God exists as one being and three persons one mind,

0:36:56.440 --> 0:37:00.799
<v Speaker 1>three beings, excuse me be three persons, one being, Father, Son,

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Holy Spirit. That is the doctrine of the trinity. That

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:07.279
<v Speaker 1>is something we see throughout all sixty six books of

0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:10.240
<v Speaker 1>the Bible. Over and over we see God has revealed

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 1>himself in three persons, one being three different roles, Jesus

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 1>and John seventeen is praying to the Father. He is

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:25.800
<v Speaker 1>in a submitted submissive role to the Father. Jesus is,

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 1>and Jesus is not the Father, and the Father is

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.439
<v Speaker 1>not the Son, and the Spirit is not either of them.

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 1>But all three of them have the same essence. They

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 1>are the same being. And we see this played out

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>in many different ways. In the beginning was the Word,

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 1>and the word was with God, and the word was God.

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:48.279
<v Speaker 1>He was in the beginning with God, so we see.

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>And then a few verses later and the Word became flesh.

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 1>We see this played out in so many ways in

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>the Bible. We have to understand that the trinity is

0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:02.239
<v Speaker 1>something we do not ever doubt or disagree with, or

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:08.399
<v Speaker 1>you are not a Christian. Number two, Jesus is fully man,

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:16.319
<v Speaker 1>fully God, fully man, full divinity, fully human. We have

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 1>to understand the aspect of Jesus in his personhood was

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 1>fully man and fully God. Number three, we have to

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>we have to agree that you're saved in salvation. You're

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>saved by grace through faith, not by works. That is fundamental.

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 1>You're saved by grace and not by works. Ephesians two

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 1>eight is going to say, for it's by grace. You've

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 1>been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing.

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:51.120
<v Speaker 1>It's the gift of God, not a result of works,

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>so that no man may boast if you disagree with

0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>that it in any way. If you think that, well

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 1>it it also has to do with what you do

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 1>to get into heaven, then you're not a Christian. And then, finally,

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:10.440
<v Speaker 1>and this doesn't have to be in any kind of order, Finally,

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you have to believe in the inerrancy of the Bible,

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 1>and the Bible alone. The Bible is God breathed, all scriptures,

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.880
<v Speaker 1>breed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof,

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.439
<v Speaker 1>for correction, and for training and righteousness, that the Man

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 1>of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>The Bible is perfectly inspired by the Holy Spirit. It

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.360
<v Speaker 1>is God's word, and it is complete, and it's cannon

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 1>that was passed down to us saw sixty six books.

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Those are the four main pillars. If you disagree with

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 1>any of the four, you're not a Christian. And so

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 1>whenever we branch off from denominations, we have to understand

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 1>that it's okay to disagree about drums and church. So

0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 1>it's okay to disagree about pews or chairs. It's okay,

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 1>although kind of frightening to disagree about worshiping on Saturday

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 1>or Sunday, heavily lean on Sunday. And there's a lot

0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>of things that would heavily lean on. You know, it's

0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:13.799
<v Speaker 1>okay to disagree about baptism, sprinkling or total immersion. But

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:20.160
<v Speaker 1>even though I totally would lean into total submersion. But

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't jeopardize your faith as a Christian. It's

0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:26.479
<v Speaker 1>it's within let me say it this way, it's within

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the bounds. It's within the boundaries of being a Christian.

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>You could there is room to disagree with a lot

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 1>of things, a lot of things, but the four pillars

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you cannot, I'll say more time. The Trinity, the full

0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 1>humanity and divinity of Christ, the innerancy of Scripture, the

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Bible being the only revealed word of God and the

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 1>only way we know truly how God has revealed himself

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 1>to us, not through prophets, not through modern revelation, but

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:59.439
<v Speaker 1>only through the Word. And then lastly, salvation is from

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<v Speaker 1>grace by faith alone in Christ. Knowing that, brother, I

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<v Speaker 1>hurt for you that it's gone this far as you

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<v Speaker 1>have literally this is this is what's happened. You've submitted

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<v Speaker 1>to your wife to make her happy. You said, I

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<v Speaker 1>did it to make her feel comfortable. I submitted to

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<v Speaker 1>her authority to make her comfy. And now you're going,

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<v Speaker 1>uh oh, I think I'm messed up. So let's let

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<v Speaker 1>that be known. That's where the problem originated from. And

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<v Speaker 1>I promise you if it's the other way around, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's done biblically, she's so much happier. She's actually way

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<v Speaker 1>more comfortable when you step into the role that you're

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<v Speaker 1>called to be, and it allows her to step into

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<v Speaker 1>the role that she has been called to be, and

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<v Speaker 1>then both of you are just so much more comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>We see this played out all around us all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think I could leave it there, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think I could say, brother, I wish you the best.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also would say this, let me finish with this,

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<v Speaker 1>and probably shouldn't say it, but I'll say it because

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<v Speaker 1>I have experienced a lot of experience with Church of

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<v Speaker 1>Christ with my family. But they will say that they

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<v Speaker 1>are the only church. I've heard Pentecostals say this as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course Catholics say it, Church LDS says it. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you hear people start saying things like this is

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<v Speaker 1>the only church you go to, any other church, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong church. Everyone else is going to hell, but

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<v Speaker 1>this church. If you hear that, that becomes weird. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>the four pillars. I told you the four pillars are

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to matter and anything else. If you start

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<v Speaker 1>hearing this is the only church, I start worrying about that.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Church of Christ says that than Baptist Church

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<v Speaker 1>does not ever say that. There was no way any

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<v Speaker 1>of us should be so arrogant to say that we

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<v Speaker 1>have the only right church as long as you're following

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<v Speaker 1>the four pillars, Trinity, divinity, humanity of Christ, an erranty

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<v Speaker 1>of Scripture, and salvation through faith by grace in Christ alone. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Well in there, Love you guys. If you have a question,

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<v Speaker 1>email podcast at grangersmith dot com. And I have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more I could have gotten to today, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>I hold it. I'll hold it right there and we'll

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