1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants hut. Let's go, 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Let's go, Let's go. Giants. Come get out my Giants. 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Bel give me some job. Part of the Giants Podcast Network. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Let's roll. 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought 6 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: to you by Citizens the official bank of the New 7 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 2: York Football Giants, johnsh Weulc Matthew Sitek. The Giants have 8 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: their initial fifty three man roster. Keep in mind, by 9 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: the time this is up, even or shortly thereafter, the 10 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: Giants might have some waiver claims and some of these 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: games might change. But we know who the initial fifty 12 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: three players are man and we did our predictions on 13 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: Big Blue Kickoff Live on Monday. For more detailed analysis, 14 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: A Tatino and I are on Big Blue Kickoff Live 15 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: Wednesday Live at twelve thirty, or just check out the 16 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: archive on your favorite podcast platform. So not a ton 17 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: of surprises here. We'll kind of rapid fire through this 18 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: in about fifteen twenty minutes. UH, position group by position group. 19 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: I think we got a lot of this right. We 20 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: got a couple players wrong. We'll talk about that. So 21 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: as we suspected, Matt and I'll go through these three 22 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: groups quickly because I think this is exactly what we 23 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 2: thought it was going to be. Quarterbacks, they kept all 24 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: three in Daniel Jones time to Drew Locke. They kept 25 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: the three running backs we all expected and Eric Gray, 26 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: Devin Singletary and Tyrone Tracy Junior. Then at tight end, 27 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: they kept the three guys we thought were shooings for 28 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: the roster, Daniel Bellinger, Theo Johnson, and Chris Manhertz. But 29 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: no one else was able to get in onto the 30 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: roster at either running back or tight end. 31 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. I would say the only thing that maybe I 32 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: guess was a little bit of a surprise was we 33 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: both thought Jacob Johnson had a decent chance to make 34 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: the roster. He was like my last guy in on 35 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: offense as that full back tight end, you know, sort 36 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: of hybrid position. But you know he was part of 37 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: Tuesday's cuts. So yeah, I mean the nine guys from 38 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: those three position groups, we just talking about exactly who 39 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: we expected to make the final roster. Yeah, initial roster. 40 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll see, you know, what are these other 41 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: players from these positions at running back, like maybe Adante Miller, 42 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: maybe he'll be able to sneak onto the practice squad. 43 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: Guys like that at tight end. 44 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if they try to get Jack 45 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: Stole onto the practice squad as well as someone they 46 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: brought in this offseason. He's a two way player. He 47 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: can block and he can also We'll see about Lawrence Cagor. 48 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: He obviously has the hamstring injury, if they can figure 49 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: out a way to eventually bring him back after being 50 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: you know, I think he was waved injured technically correct, 51 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: So if can they figure out a way to bring 52 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: him back the same way they waved injured. You know 53 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: Ryder Anderson who's been in the building by the way, rehabbing. 54 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: So we'll see if they can figure out a way 55 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: to get those guys back in the mix later down 56 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: the road. Yeah, it's just it's important to keep in mind. 57 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: You know, there's some fans out there that are upset 58 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: to see some of these guys get released yesterday. But 59 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: just because they got released yesterday, it doesn't mean they're 60 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: not going to be part of this team. Their giants 61 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: have sixteen practice squad spots to fill, and I'm assuming 62 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: a lot of those spots, or a good number of them, 63 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: we'll go to guys that we're here for all a 64 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: training camp, we're here for the preseason, familiar with the systems. 65 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: So just because someone got released yesterday doesn't mean that's 66 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: the last time we'll see him. Correct, by the way, 67 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: just so people understand. 68 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: The other players that were waved injured prior to the 69 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: cut to fifty three or Mayo Goodrich who picked up 70 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 2: that hamstring injury in the final preseason game, Jayalen Mayfield 71 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: who hurt himself in an ovi ogufo. Also reserve injured 72 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: was Isaiah McKenzie, who suffered an injury apparently it was 73 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: reported by Art Stapleton the night of the game, which 74 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: I did not say, although I I would ad a 75 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: bit about like fifty three, but we did our predictions. 76 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 2: So he was another guy that was waved injured. And 77 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: then we'll get to the defense. Matthew Adams was put 78 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: on IR prior to the fifty three designated to return, 79 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: so he's someone that can come back as early as 80 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 2: four games into the season. 81 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: Well, McKenzie wasn't waved injured, he was just straight up 82 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: put on GERS. So he's out for the season. He 83 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: cannot play for the Giants in twenty twenty four excellent, 84 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: no good point all right. 85 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: Wide receivers Jay and I Molik neighbors Darius Slayton won 86 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: the Robinson obviously the four guys we all expected. Then again, 87 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: this was an injury thing. We didn't know how serious 88 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: it was. Guneral Schefski, who was out of practice yesterday 89 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: doing catching a couple of punts. He made the roster 90 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: as a return guy and also a special teams player, 91 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: and then ahead of Miles Boykin, ahead of Alan Robinson, 92 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: Bryce ford Weedon coming off that ACL as a rookie 93 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: making a play here as a guy that they think 94 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: has a lot of special team's capacity with his size 95 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: and speed commination, which is always what you're looking for 96 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: in that and I guess as opposed to Boykin, they 97 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: probably thought ford Weedon had a little bit more upside 98 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: as a wide receiver down the road, which is maybe 99 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: what kind of gave him the final edge when they 100 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: figured out who that last guy on a wide receiver 101 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: was going to be. 102 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say this was probably one of the 103 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: spots that surprised me a little bit, just because there 104 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: hasn't been a lot of buzz surrounding Bryce ford Whedon. 105 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: This summer. We both thought Miles Boykin had a really 106 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: good shot at making the team. He seemed to be, 107 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, one of the core special teams players for 108 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: the Giants during the preseason. But let's just let's not 109 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: forget Bryce ford Whedon was playing in that role last 110 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: year as an undrafted rookie free agent. He was the 111 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: Giants primary gunner and looked great in that position before 112 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: he tore his ACL. And he also flashed as a 113 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: wide receiver at that time too. We've seen him flash 114 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: a little bit at a wide receiver this summer as well. 115 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: More quiet than he was last summer though on wide receiver. Yeah, 116 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: but I think that's expected for a guy that's you know, 117 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 1: just about twelve months or moved from a torn ACL. 118 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: I think, as we saw with Wandell Robinson last year, 119 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: as we get further into the season, Bryce ford Whedon 120 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: is going to start looking more and more like he 121 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: did prior to the injury. So they clearly were, you know, 122 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: betting on Bryce ford Whedon with his special team's abilities 123 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: along with what they think he can grow into as 124 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: a potential wide receiver. 125 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely, all right, let's get to the offensive line. You 126 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: were right, they ended up keeping ten instead of nine. 127 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: Austin Schloltman was the tenth guy that you add on. 128 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: He ended up making the team as the primary backup center. 129 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: The rest of the group should not surprise anybody. Andrew Thomas, 130 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: Jermaine Luminor, John Runnyan John Michael Schmidz, Aaron Stinny, Greg 131 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 2: Van Roten, Jake Kubas the young player, and then Neil 132 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: of course on josh A Zudu on and then as 133 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: I mentioned, Austin Schloutman. So those are your ten offensive linemen. 134 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: They really have a lot of depth at different spots. 135 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: So at tackle you have your two starters of Luminore 136 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 2: and Thomas, you have a Zudu and Neil that and 137 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: play tackle behind them. At center you have Schmidts, you 138 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 2: have Schltzmann as your backup, and then you have Van Roten. 139 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: And even running as guys that can slide over. 140 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: And then at guard you have your two starters or 141 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 2: the guys we think are gonna start in Van Roten 142 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: and Runyan, and then behind them you have your undrafted 143 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: free agent Jake Kubas. I believe he was the only 144 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: undrafted free agent this year to make the Elijah Chadmans. 145 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: Those those are the two good call, thank you. Those 146 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: are the backup guards along with Aaron Stinney. So you 147 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: have a lot of depth at each one of those 148 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: offensive line spots in case you get a rash of 149 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: injuries like the Giants unfortunately had last year. 150 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we've spent I don't know how many 151 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: four or five months now talking about all the resources 152 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: that the Giants put towards the offensive line. We look 153 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: at the ten guys that made it. Four of them 154 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: are were veteran free agent signings, two of which we 155 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: expect to start in Illuminare or three sorry Luminar sorry. 156 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: Five offensive linemen free agent additions between illuminare run and 157 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: Van Roden, who we think all three of them will start. 158 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: And then Aaron Stinny and Austin Schultman, who seemed to 159 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: be two of the primary backups, Schulman at center and 160 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: Stinny at guard. So, based on what happened last year 161 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: with the offensive line, clearly, as we've spoken about it 162 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: at length, improving both the starting and the depth up 163 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: front was perhaps the biggest priority for the Giants in 164 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: this offseason. I think they accomplished that. Looking at the 165 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: ten guys that made the team, and I just want to, 166 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: you know, give props to Jay Kubas. It's not easy 167 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: for an undrafted free agent to make the team. The 168 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: Giants signed him right after the draft. He was part 169 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: of the group of original undrafted free agents and he 170 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: just worked his tailoff all the training camp, played well 171 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: in the preseason. That's one of the guys that you know, 172 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: they rewarded him for performing well throughout the summer. That's 173 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: you bring these undrafted guys in because you want to 174 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: see them sort of shine and earn a spot. And 175 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it that Jay Coubas earned his 176 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: spot on the roster. 177 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens, 178 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: So go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 179 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 180 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: you ready for all that life brings? 181 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: All right, we got about ten minutes to go here, folks. 182 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: But before we move on to the next thing here, 183 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: don't forget football season is coming. In fact, it's almost here, 184 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: and so was the next college semester. If you need funding, 185 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: a citizen student loan can help you pay for one 186 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: hundred percent of your school certify costs. Get your rate 187 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: quote in just about two minutes at citizens bank dot 188 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: com slash pay for college. 189 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to defense, Matt. 190 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: The defensive line ended up looking like both of us 191 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: thought it would, with five guys checking in their Dexter Lawrence, 192 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: Elijah Chapman, DJ Davidson, Nacho where Keim, Unias Rochez and 193 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: Jordan Riley. 194 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, no surprise is there. I mean I expect Dexter 195 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: and Nacho to probably be the two starters, and then 196 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: the other three we'll have to earn, you know, playing time, 197 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: earn their spot in the rotation to come in. 198 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: But if you'd the guest who would have the third 199 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: most snaps in this group this year, I think it'd 200 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: be Davidson because he can play nose and he can 201 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: play three. 202 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it'd be Davidson. But it would not 203 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: surprise me if it's not too long down the road 204 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: where Elijah Chatman is getting some serious snaps. It might 205 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: just be on passing situations. But I think he's gonna 206 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: earn himself an actual role, a rotational role on this defense. 207 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: Ended keeping five edge players, I'm sure you're kicking yourself 208 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: for not putting Benton Whitley on. 209 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: Your initial fifteen. Oh, I know you were trying. It 210 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: was hard to get him on. 211 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: Brian Burns, Cavon, Thibodeau, Boogie basham As He's o Jolari, 212 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: and Bent Whitley your five edge players. 213 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, nothing really surprising there. And just like I 214 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: was talking about with Jay Kubos, Whitley is another guy 215 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: that he just straight up earned his spot by playing 216 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: so well in the preseason. I know we spoke about 217 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: on Monday that he showed up a little bit more 218 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: in the preseason games rather than in practice, which, by 219 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: the way, is not a bad thing. No, definitely not 220 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: a bad thing. I mean, if you have to choose 221 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: one or the other, I think you rather the guy 222 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: show up in the game situation. I think I really 223 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: think his performance as the Jets this past weekend really 224 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: is what solidified his spot on the team. 225 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're probably right. He'd agreed, great game 226 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: in the second half against the Texans, too rushing passer late. 227 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: In that game. I against Detroit, he did well. He 228 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: did well in all three of those games. 229 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: The inside linebackers and off ball linebackers. This is why 230 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: they kept a lot of numbers, and I guess because 231 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: some of these guys are banged up, so they want 232 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: to make sure that they have guys that are healthy 233 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 2: in week one. So Bobby o'caraka obviously, Carter Kaughlin who's 234 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: coming off injury, Deontay Johnson's coming off injury, Michael McFadden's 235 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: coming off injury, and then you have Darius Mussau. So 236 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 2: they ended up keeping five of those off ball inside 237 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: linebacker types. 238 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: And a lot of those guys are gonna have a. 239 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: Huge role in special teams as well as playing in 240 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: your base defense. 241 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Other than you know, Bobby o'carake, and 242 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: I guess Micah McFadden, you'd presume when he's healthy, I 243 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: think all the other three guys will contribute right away 244 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: on special teams assuming they're healthy. 245 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: In the second preseason game, McFadden was actually on some 246 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: special teams as well. We might actually get some special 247 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: teams play. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me either. The only 248 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: I guess, Deontay Johnson was the only one of this 249 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: group that I didn't have on my final fifty three 250 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: men roster prediction. But that's because I thought Matthew Adams 251 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: would make it, and as you mentioned earlier, Matthew Adams 252 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: was put on IR designated a return, so he's gonna 253 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: miss at least the first four games. Had I known 254 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: the severity of that injury, I probably would have put 255 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson as the fifth inside linebacker. But yeah, again, 256 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: no surprises. Deontay Johnson looked great at the start of 257 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: training camp, played great. 258 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: In that Lion's preseason game before he injured himself. Hopefully 259 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: it's not long before we see him back on the field. 260 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: And again we'll say this thing could change in a 261 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: couple hours too, so we'll. 262 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: See how that goes. 263 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: Finally, defensive backfield, Wow, this is a young group when 264 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: you take a look at it. 265 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: And just to note, Isaiah Simmons is included in this group. 266 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: So let's they we. 267 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: Have it on the website as DB's let's for our 268 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: purposes try to split this into corners in safeties here 269 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: a little bit, and we'll just take Isaiah Simmons and 270 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: put him into the He does a little bit of 271 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 2: three different positions. I kind of push him off to 272 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 2: the side, so cornerback we have obviously Deontay Banks and 273 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: Cordell Flatt and Nick McCleod, then Drew Phillips inside, and 274 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: then Trey Hawkins is kind of your backup perimeter defensive back. 275 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: These are guys that all of which did not play 276 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: in the final preseason game, so it was not difficult 277 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: to figure out which one of these guys were going 278 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: to be on the final roster. 279 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, no surprises with that cornerback group. Drew Phillips really earned. 280 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, as coach said at the beginning of training camp, 281 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: no rookies were going to be handed starting spots. They 282 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: have to earn them, and in the limited action Drew 283 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: Phillips had, it seems like he earned that starting nickel 284 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: corner job. He just played well. It brings a toughness 285 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: to the defense that you don't see a lot from rookies, 286 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: rookie cornerbacks. Even I'm excited to see him come week one. 287 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, when it comes to the outside corner, there's 288 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: really no surprise there. Deontay Banks is going to be 289 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: the number one corner and I guess we'll somewhat see 290 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: about the second outside corner spot. I think it depends 291 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: on Cordell Flatts. You know where he is on his 292 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: recovery from the injury. If you would think it's between 293 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: him and McCloud fighting for that second that CB two spot. 294 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I just hopefully get a healthy flot this week. 295 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: And I think coach said he was returning to practice. 296 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: He's going to do start doing a little bit more. Yeap, Yeah, 297 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to see these guys fully 298 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: healthy for week one, just so we can see what 299 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: they can. You know, really, do you love turf? 300 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: You're good at it? So you start a turf fizz 301 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 3: business grows, your savings grow, become the most celebrated name 302 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 3: in turf. Are you ready for all that life brings? 303 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 2: And it does look like most of the guys that 304 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 2: are supposed to get a lot of playing time are 305 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 2: working their way back into practice. So I'm not sure 306 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: there's gonna be any guys that are really held back 307 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: by injurying week one, which after you're coming out of 308 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: a long camp, very very fortunate. 309 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: Look at some of the other teams around the league. 310 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: There's a lot of teams that have you know, the 311 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: Giants pit the Cowboys in week four, right, they lost 312 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: their starting contador. You know, he's surgery on a stretch 313 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: fracture on his foot. Trying to think of some of 314 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: the other guys that suffered season long injuries, but there's. 315 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of the bills. 316 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: The Duse had a couple guys that have gone out, 317 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: so it just, you know, very fortunate as of now 318 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: that the Giants have not suffered any of those very 319 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: serious injuries. We thought there might have been one of 320 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: time with Tracy Junior and then he ended up Dodgital Bolten. 321 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: He's already he was back on the field two days later, 322 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: which is insane. At safety again, a young group. Jervarius 323 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: Owens managed to get on, and then of course you 324 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: have the three that we think are going to share 325 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: most of those snaps at the spot in Jason Pinnock, 326 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: Dame Belton and rookie Tyler Newman. 327 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, really no surprises there. I think we both 328 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: had Gerverius Owens making the fifty three men roster on 329 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: our final predictions, probably one of the last spots. Yep, 330 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: no surprises with this group. I know wouldn't be surprised 331 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: if defensive backs in general is an area that the 332 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: front office might try to you know, attack in waivers 333 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: depending on who's available, who they could potentially try to grab. 334 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: Wouldn't surprise me to see them active in that position. 335 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: Group, all right, final two points here. First special teams 336 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: Casey Ryder, Graham gon Od, Jamie Gillon. No surprise there 337 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: they didn't name. Let me talk about the defensive back 338 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: room for a second, man, and again I'll do more 339 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: of something. 340 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: We'll kick off live. 341 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: So in their defensive backfield, all right, the Giants have 342 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: two twenty two year olds on the team. That's it, 343 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: Jalen Hiatt. The other one is Drew Phillip, who's gonna 344 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: be the Giant starting Nickel Deantey Banks, Cordo Flott, Dame Belton, 345 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: Tyler Nuban. They're all twenty three years old, all right, 346 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: the young group. So you're looking at five of the 347 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: guys that are supposed to play a majority of the 348 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: snaps view or either twenty two or twenty three years old. 349 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: And then the veterans of the group. I'm doing air 350 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: quotes for those of you listening. Jason Pinnock is twenty 351 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: five and Nick McLeod is twenty. 352 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: Six, both going into year four in the NFL. 353 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: I believe, I believe Nick McCleod might be year five, 354 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: pinnock is year. 355 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: Five, but he didn't play one of those years. 356 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like, let me look it up right now, 357 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: hold on, But I actually wanted to look up various 358 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: Owens because I did not put that in the story, 359 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: and I should look up to. 360 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: See what year he is on. 361 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just a very very very again I'll 362 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: emphasize very young group. So just real quickly looking at 363 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: the safety c year, Javarius Owens is twenty four, pinnocken 364 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: is it his fifth fourth year? And Nick muccloud must 365 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: be listed as dB HESCB Yeah okay, and. 366 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: He is in his fourth year as well. You were correct, 367 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: So very young group, very young. No, the defense is 368 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: gonna need some of these young guys to really take 369 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: a step in their development this year. If they do, 370 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: the sky's the limit for this defense. Yeah, one hundred. Now. 371 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: They also named captains. 372 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: Last year there were ten, and Brian Dable kind of 373 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: indicated they went down to five this year. It was 374 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: more because of the nature of the voting than it 375 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: was any conscious decision on his part. So my guess 376 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: is that the votes last year must have just been 377 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: spread out among different players a lot more. And yeah, 378 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: they were really concentrated this year, so none of these 379 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: captains should should surprise people. Daniel Jones, Andrew Thomas on offense, 380 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence, Bobby o'carakay on defense, and then Casey Krider 381 00:16:58,480 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: at special teams. 382 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, all five of these guys have been captains for 383 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: the Giants at least one other season prior to this year. 384 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: It's no new captains. I know some people might be 385 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: surprised about Casey Krider, but he was a captain a 386 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: couple of years ago on this represented him and Graham Gono. 387 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: We're both special teams captains. I believe is the twenty 388 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: twenty two season. But yeah, these are, you know, exactly 389 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: the guys I expected to be captains. We didn't know 390 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: the number of captains. I thought there could have been 391 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: another one or two potentially, but none of these five 392 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: guys surprised me in the slightest. These are the leading 393 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: voices in the locker room. 394 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: And of course, stay tuned the Giants dot com for 395 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: continuing news on other changes or alterations that might be 396 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: made to this initial fifty three. The waiver deadline not deadline, 397 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 2: but the waiver claims get processed. 398 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: I believe at noon. 399 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: Today if I had a mistaken yes, so hopefully we'll 400 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: get somewhat of that before we go live on Big 401 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: Blue Kickoff Live at twelve thirty. Stay tuned to that, 402 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: and of course go to the different podcast platforms as 403 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 2: we can continue to break down what this Giants roster 404 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 2: will look like heady into Week one, which, oh my gosh, 405 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: side tech it is finally only twelve days away. Now 406 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 2: we get our first regular season football game. 407 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: I know. Can we get a nice little weekend somewhat 408 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: off and then go right into Week one? I couldn't 409 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: be more excited. 410 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: Yes, and I will once again thank the NFL gods 411 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 2: for removing roster cutdown day from Labor Day weekend and 412 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: putting it on a weekday. 413 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: I will just want to say today is the day 414 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: for the initial wave of waiver claims, but that doesn't 415 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: mean that that is it, you know, correct? It was 416 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: two years ago that the Giants claimed Tyree Phillips off 417 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: of waivers on like the second or third wave of waivers. 418 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: After I think it was the Ravens claim someone. They 419 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: let Tyre Phillips go and then the Giants claimed him after, 420 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: so this is going to be a very fluid roster 421 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: for the next at least couple of days and important 422 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: week one. 423 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 2: And important to note teams sometimes want to wait for 424 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: veterans after week one so you don't have to guarantee 425 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: their salary for the whole year, so they could be 426 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 2: even more important editions of veteran players that are vested 427 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: after that Week one game gets played for Matthew Sidetek 428 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 2: on John Schmilk. That's the Johns Litle Podcast, brought to 429 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: you by Citizens, the official Bank of the Giants. 430 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.