WEBVTT - Mountain of Evidence 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.560 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woke f Daily with 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:19.680 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Home Bunker, Folks, 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:23.160 I am taking a bit of a respite, but as always, 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:27.320 I leave you with some of my conversations with the 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:30.600 brightest Minds that we pre taped to deliver to you 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:36.040 this week. And coming up is my conversation with one 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:40.520 of my favorites and I know one of yours as well, Ellie, 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:45.120 Miss Stall, and Ellie and I get into a conversation 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.360 all about Trump and his legal woes. As we recorded this, 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:55.120 we were still on indictment watch, but breaking news had 0:00:55.160 --> 0:01:01.400 happened that a third defendant was in fact indicted alongside 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:06.840 Donald Trump and will Noda. And so when I get 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:11.480 into this conversation with Ellie, we're talking about the mountain 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.399 of evidence in front of us. We're talking about the 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:21.319 three cases, the Document's case, the insurrection case, and Fannie 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.200 Willis's you know, can you find me eleven hundred and 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.560 seven hundred and forty one votes case. So we are 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.480 going through all of that, and then we touch a 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.319 bit upon, you know, one of our favorite artists, at 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.119 least a favorite artist. When I was growing up and 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:43.039 how he has apparently just pad a lobotomy, and so 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.800 we get into some pop culture as well. I hope 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:52.880 that you enjoy this conversation with one of wok f's faves, 0:01:54.400 --> 0:02:02.240 Ellie Mistell Folks, I am so excited to welcome back 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:07.080 to wok F after just too long of a time away, 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.960 which is our friend Ellie Missel, who is a justice 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:16.200 correspondent for the Nation and the author of Allow Me 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.920 to Retort, A Black Guy's Guide to the Constitution and 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:22.760 just all around. I don't know what the fuck we 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.239 call Twitter these days. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:24.880 Is it X? 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:25.920 Is it? You know? 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:26.440 Trash? 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.000 It is trash, but you you make it a place 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:31.320 still worth going. 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:32.840 I will say that, Ellie. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.360 Oh, don't put that. Don't you put that evil on me. 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.320 Let me not put that X on you by that. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.200 So Ellie, you know I want to talk to you 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:50.120 because I just there are times when I wish that 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:54.280 I had not listened to the old white male professor 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:55.799 who told me it wasn't smart enough to go to 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.600 law school, and that I actually went. And it is 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:03.240 times when I'm trying to understand how much legal trouble 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.440 a normal person whose name was in Trump would be 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:10.520 in if they had all of these indictments that have 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:14.079 already come out, and one big one still that is looming, 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.440 actually two big ones that are looming if you're also 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:20.280 looking at the state of Georgia. But walk us through, 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:25.200 because it's potential, the potential of Donald Trump being indicted 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:29.600 for a third time while people are listening to this 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:34.880 is very high. So please walk us through where we 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:41.360 are in the insurrection case so as not to get 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.880 people confused with the other indictments that the former twice 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:46.839 impeach president has. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.200 Yes, any look, a normal person would be in jail 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.640 like eight times over by this point. A normal person's 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:56.080 children would probably be in jail at least twice over 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:00.240 by this point. The normal rules simply don't apply to Trump. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.040 The White rules does do. And that's kind of how 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:09.320 where we start with. Right, this indictment that's coming from 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:13.280 Jack Smith, potentially already out from Jack Smith, coming at 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.560 the time that we're recording. To me, this is the 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.440 big one. This is the one that we should have 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:24.839 been working towards. Since January seventh, twenty twenty one. Now, 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.320 there has been reporting about how Merreck Carlin has slow 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.360 walked the investigation and basically kind of did everything he 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.200 could to get Trump off the hook. But finally he 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:38.000 appointed Jack Smith. I've said on other shows Danielle that 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.320 I think I was wrong about Jack Smith. I thought 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:44.000 he would be kind of another Robert Muller type, and 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.080 he has not been. Now, No, he has not an 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.560 actual fucking prosecutor, and he has been putting the wood 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.280 to Trump, not just in the espionage case, but now 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.760 finally on the January sixth case. We already know that 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.599 he has interviewed. Basically, he is finally done the work 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:05.040 that Garland should have been doing and that the January 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:09.520 sixth Select Committee in Congress already did. Right, He's finally 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.279 done the interviews with the Cassidy Hutchinson's and the Mark 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.800 Meadows and the Steve Bannons. He's gotten all of that 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.120 information in and he's prepared to charge Trump with a 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:24.160 number of of crimes right the The the biggest ticket 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.000 would be kind of conspiracy to deprive rights through the 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:32.200 color of law. That's basically the trying to intimidate and 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:36.640 potentially assassinate Mike Pence charge, Like that's that's what that is. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.960 He's going to be charged uh. We believe with. 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:47.920 Obstruction and and and and the fake electors scheme as well. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:49.360 And the these. 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.320 Are the serious ones, not just serious in terms of 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:57.680 like legal uh uh jeopardy, but serious in terms of 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:03.000 actually holding the man countable for the coup he tried 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:03.720 to pull. 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.080 Off against the government. 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.440 Like that needs to happen, and it looks like that 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.000 that is finally going to happen. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.480 The problem, Danielle, is that. 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:15.960 Because there always is one lle rce. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:17.599 It's never just good news. 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:22.599 The problem is that that accountability, that trial over these 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:27.000 charges will most likely happen in twenty twenty five, and 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:31.440 will only be allowed to happen if Trump loses again 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:36.360 another presidential election, where he will again try to steal 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:40.320 it and potentially again try to do another coup. Right, 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.760 Like this is all because of the timeline, because of 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.480 Merrick Garland's slow walking to get us to this point. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.240 We are now in a situation where it's just very 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:54.200 unlikely that any of these trials are going to happen 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:58.159 before the election. And that's not and there's almost nothing 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.640 we can do about that. Like the timeline is timeline, 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:03.599 and so Trump will get to run again. 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.000 But but but let me ask let me ask this. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.400 I want to say why. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.440 I don't even want to say I will say why. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:17.680 But so you have first in the document's case, ailing 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.440 Cannon has set the date from May twenty fourth, twenty 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:26.080 twenty four, right, yep, And so that is several months 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:31.440 prior to the election. Why is it that? And then 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.440 Donald Trump prior to that? I believe that Donald Trump, 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:40.600 it has the another Egen Carroll case that I believe 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:45.280 is happening in October. Why wouldn't this case, which is 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:49.000 going to be heard in Washington, DC, because it has 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:53.880 such a long runway given Aileen Cannon's timeline, and there 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.840 is no need for security clearance in the way that 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.600 the documents case requires security clearance, why wouldn't that be 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.640 set for the end of the year or January? 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.960 Because trials take a long time. I mean, it's just 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:11.400 like there, it is. It is just true that trials, 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.960 especially trials of rich white people, take a long time 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.920 to process through the system, and the defense lawyers remember, 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:20.720 like a lot of times, here's here's the thing that 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.200 listeners have to think about a lot of times when 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:27.680 they hear about court cases or trials from television news 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.440 or even most print media. They're hearing about it from 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.120 the perspective of a prosecutor, right, and the prosecutors are 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.719 always like, go now, go now, we can do this now. 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.559 And when they are when the prosecutors are facing criminal 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:46.080 defendants who are underfunded, underprivileged, black Latino, the system is 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.400 very happy to go as quickly as humanly possible to 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.680 get a black and brown people in jail. But when 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:59.160 it happens to white people, the defense attorneys have usually 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:04.800 legitimate reasons and arguments to delay trial. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:05.120 Right. 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.280 One of the biggest ones is that the defense lawyers 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.800 need time to go over all of the evidence that 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.920 the government has and prepare an adequate defense. 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:15.200 Right. 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:20.680 So in these cases I always argue kind of in 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.400 favor of the defense because I realized that more often 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.640 than not, what I'm doing is arguing on behalf of 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.000 black and Latino people who are being railroaded through the system. Right, 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:34.400 So I understand. I guess the need for defense attorneys 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.920 to have time to prepare their cases is Trump getting 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.120 more time than normal. It depends on what you think 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:40.680 normal is. 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:40.960 Right. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.760 If you think normal is what we do to black people, 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:47.280 then hell yeah, he's getting way more time. Is he 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:52.319 getting more time than he should? The brass tax of 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.040 it is, if you look at the espionage case, at 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:58.000 least given when Smith was allowed to make these charges, 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.559 I think May twenty fourth is about the right date. 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.600 I think that's about the right time. Now the question is, 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.200 and I think that that this is the bigger problem. 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.880 It's unlike May twenty fourth is unlikely to hold up, 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.600 you know, so May twentieth, twenty twenty four is unlikely 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:17.480 to hold up because as we get closer to May twentieth, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:21.600 twenty twenty four, Trump's lawyers will again ask for a delay. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.800 They will say they were overwhelmed's so let's be they're 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.400 they're busy running a campaign. They'll say whatever they have 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.640 to say. And with Trump Judge Aileen Cannon having already 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.800 shown a willingness to delay this trial for six months, 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.560 it's I think, but this is. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:41.920 This is why I think that the insurrection case has 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:46.680 the potential to go before Aileen Cannon's case. And my 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.400 ceiling is one because it's going to be held in DC. 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:51.880 I don't know me And this is a question for you, 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.040 who do we think that that judge is? 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:54.200 Like? 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.319 What circuit is this going through. 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:03.400 Is that this is actually at this about national security. Right, 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.240 You're talking about somebody who is going to be indicted 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.120 on charges that I am going to assume one of 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:14.040 them may in fact be seditious conspiracy, which we have 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:18.840 seen both keeper folks and others get charged with and 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:23.480 it stick. So I guess, like, am I being in 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:28.760 too naive Ellie in thinking that the fate of our 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:35.960 democracy and the person who instigated and incited the riot 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.800 on the Capitol and told people to overturn the government 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:44.080 who is running for election, that that would be caused 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:45.840 for a speedy trial. 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:48.880 I think you're right. I think it should. I think 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.800 that the differences in the January sixth case versus the 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:57.600 espionage case lend itself to a faster timeline than what 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:01.000 Eileen Cannon has set up for the espionage case. As 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.520 you point out, this is happening in DC. That means 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.760 that the judge, we don't know what judge will get on. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.760 It will be a random choice from among the judges 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:16.600 that sit on in the DC circuit. Right, that circuit 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:22.000 is generally pretty split. Generally, it's not as conservative as 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.640 the Florida circuit where Canon was pulled from is not 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.880 as conservative as like the Fifth Circuit if it was 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.520 out in Texas or Louisiana. It's a pretty pretty evenly 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.880 split circuit, you know. But it's still gonna come down 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.000 to kind of a random dice roll in terms of 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:43.040 what which judge we get. Right, if you get an 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:47.160 aggressive judge, you will have an aggressive timeline. And yeah, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.360 there's there's a good chance that they will set a 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:55.880 date before the next election. But then the defense lawyers 0:12:55.920 --> 0:13:00.480 will appeal that date. And don't forget that these heels 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.080 about the timing of the of the of the trial 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.520 could go all the way to the Supreme Court, where 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.120 Trump has stacked the Supreme Court with his own hand 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:15.320 picked judges. Brett Kavanaugh in particular, is very susceptible to 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.000 arguments that this is happening too close to the election 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.079 for us to do anything about it, Like he's made 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:28.120 that argument before in cases involving outright racism in electoral jerrymandering. Right, 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:32.600 So I am not confident that an aggressive timeline will 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.520 will work in front of Brett Kavanaugh or the other conservatives. 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.719 So we'll still have to wait and see. But I 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.880 think that it is very likely that this trial will somehow, 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:45.760 some way get delayed until after the election. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:50.880 The positive is, where are you going for the positive? 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.840 Because you have already put my feelings and my hopes 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.240 and dreams in the dumpster along with our democracy. So 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.280 where what road trip are we going? Not for the 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:01.080 positive side? 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.120 Posative is this the last time Trump lost an election, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.400 he should have immediately been thrown into jail for his 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.720 efforts to overturn it. And obviously the system wasn't ready 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.320 to do that. We picked Merrick Garland instead of like 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:19.080 a better person. You know, lots of issues happen. We 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.480 weren't ready. The system wasn't ready to throw his ass 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.720 in jail after he lost the last election. If he 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.480 loses the next one. The positive here is that I 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.920 really do believe that if he loses the next election, 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:35.160 there will be you know, tiny little handcuffs waiting for 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.160 him at the end of that road. Like he needs 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.160 to win the election to stay out of jail. And 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.840 if he loses, and he should lose because he's a 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.840 terrible person and a terrible candidate and blah blah blah blah, 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.640 if he loses, there should be handcuffs. 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:53.080 Waiting for him if he loses, and right now we're 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.280 at a fifty to fifty fucking toss up that that 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:01.440 is going to be the reality, right like it's fifty 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:06.480 to fifty that Donald Trump doesn't have the maneuvers still 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:11.400 to lie, cheat and steal his way to the White House. Now, 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.400 I think that the upside, if in fact we call 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:18.800 it that because it's not the floor, the upside is that, 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:24.400 I hope, because we have tried the Jurassic Park version 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:29.120 where they have touched all of the fences, and folks 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:33.280 have been you know, are there are sixteen fake electors 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.800 that are being charged in you know, in Michigan. You 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.920 got other people that are being investigated. I think that 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.440 in my opinion, and I want to talk about this 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:46.440 case next the dragnet, if you will, is coming out 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.120 of Georgia, because I don't think that Trump is the 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:53.040 only person that Fannie Willis is looking at when she's 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.680 prepared to drop her indictments. And so again we our 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.880 democracy held on by a three read and was tested 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.840 over sixty six times in court with Rudy Giuliani, with 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.560 these fake electors, with the phone calls, and so I 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:12.680 think folks are prepared for what they know could be 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:17.600 coming their way. That's the only hope here. That and 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.760 you know, a fourth indictment, the fourth and final I 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.400 don't know, coming out of Georgia. 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.440 Yeah, I mean, if we're looking for hope, that's where 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.040 we find it. Right like that, people will be more prepared, 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.760 that there are elections will be more resilient this time 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.680 than they were last time. Of course, you also have 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:37.080 to worry about the fact that, you know, you One 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:41.480 of the reasons why it's so important to prosecute people 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.240 who attempt coups is that if you don't prosecute them, 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.520 and if you don't hold them accountable, they just try 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.680 it again, and the second time they're better. So as 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.760 much as we can say that like, okay, our elections, 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:58.160 our election system should be better prepared to defend itself 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.800 from Trump, we also have to understand that Trump and 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:05.040 his forces will make a better coup attempt round two, 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:10.080 having potentially learned lessons from round one. We know that 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.520 they've done a lot to stack the courts, to stack 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:17.240 the secretaries of states in ways that are amenable to 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:22.359 various coup attempts, whether the legal ones, the quote unquote 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.480 legal ones of fake electors, and whatever. We all, but 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.919 we also know that his more violent forces, you know, 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.760 have also learned some lessons about how to violently overthrow 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.240 the government, and we can we have to at least 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:38.800 expect that they will be coming again. 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:40.159 You know. 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.560 We know, for instance, one of the biggest organizing things 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:48.679 that Trump used to put the coup out there with 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:52.119 social media, and after you know, being banned, we know 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.280 that he now has an ally in Elon Musk and 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.840 social media potentially to organize another coup. So like, yes, 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:00.760 there are more defenses, but also they're going to be 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.080 new attacks, and so we have to be you know, 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.800 I am still hopeful that he loses, and I'm still 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.520 hopeful that after he loses, he loses all of his 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.879 attempts to overthrow the election. But I'd be a fool 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:14.840 to think that they're not going to be It's not 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.199 going to be like, you know, we're watching TV on 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:21.600 November whatever, and CNN says no, the winner is declared 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.560 for and then that's it. Right, we know there's going 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.080 even after he loses. At the balance, we know there's 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.560 going to be another attempt, and hopefully we're prepared for 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:30.960 that too. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.000 We shall see. 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:38.840 Let's switch gears a little bit just to go down 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:40.440 to Georgia and then I want to go to the 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:44.760 Supreme Court. So down in Georgia, you do have Fannie Willis. 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:45.880 You do have. 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.920 Another what I deem as another very serious case, right 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:54.080 that she's been building an unlike the slothlike pace of 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:58.199 Merrick Garland, she's actually been going full steam ahead for 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.680 the last two years. So give us your thoughts on 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:06.520 where Fannie will Willis is in terms of her You know, 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.600 she gave us an announcement several months ago that said 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:13.040 we were to be on the lookout between July and September. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.280 Well we're headed into August now, So what do you 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.520 think about her case and the timing and then how 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.760 again this all measures up as we head into the 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:26.480 fall a year out from the presidential So I've. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.480 Always thought Georgia had the strongest case because they have 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.800 the motherfucker on tape trying to overturn the election. Right, 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.240 They've got, like everybody's heard the tape where he tries 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.240 to find eleven thousand votes, which is just happens to 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.520 be exactly how many he needs to overturn the election. 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.840 So I've always thought that just kind of evidentiary that 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.000 is the strongest case against them. But one thing, and 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.359 I do believe that Fannie Willis has been a dedicated, 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:56.639 kind of hardworking public servant and is trying to do 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.600 things the right way. But we have seen that Fannie 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:04.639 Willis is also sensitive to political pressure. And so you know, 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:09.520 we saw her say before the midterms that she wouldn't 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.639 release any news within a kind of zone of secrecy 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.760 around the midterms so as to not unduly influence the 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.960 midterm elections, which is not a legal position, it's a 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:23.240 political position. So, you know, not something I would have done. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.680 But okay, so now again what we what we worry 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.280 about with Willis is not whether or not she's going 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:33.560 to diligently charge a crime that she can prove, but 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:37.080 whether or not that trial comes off before the election. 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:41.520 And you know, if if Fannie Willis is not willing 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.720 to make any an announcement within a zone of secrecy 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.960 around the midterms, you know, is she going to be 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:49.119 willing to put this man to trial and let's say 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:53.560 July twenty twenty four, right before the Republican National Convention, 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.000 or he will be crowned the GOP. 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.399 Nominee again, I don't know that. 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:02.080 I don't know that she'll I don't know that I 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.439 don't know that a judge will let her do a 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.720 Georgia judge will let her do that. 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.320 So again the I. 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:14.480 Just am not sure despite the im men's legal jeopardy 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:18.560 he's under, I'm just not sure that any of these 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.960 trials the willis one either of the Jack Smith ones. 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.360 I'm not sure that any of them come off before 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.359 November twenty twenty four. 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:31.040 So essentially we're fucked right, And essentially we've all played 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:36.600 into Donald Trump and his lawyer's hands in knowing exactly 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:38.359 how they were going to use this, how it was 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:40.600 going to be spun, the timeline that was going to 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.600 be created. And the person to blame isn't just Donald 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.040 Trump and his lawyers because we always know the tactics 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:49.240 that we're going to be made. It is Merrick Garland 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:54.640 and his desire to not play politics and play the 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:58.960 most insane politics at the same time, which is, let 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:01.800 me not go after Donald Trump because I don't want 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.040 to look like this is something partisan. Let me waste 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:08.440 twelve months of time, and now we're here. 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:12.159 The analogy that Ivan mcgarland is like a basketball referee 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.200 who swallows the whistle and refuses to call a foul, 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.000 and that referee says like, Oh, I'm just trying to 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.240 be neutral and fair to both sides. I'm not gonna 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:22.760 call file's gonna let the games play out. That's not 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:26.480 being fair and neutral. That is benefiting the team that fouls. 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:32.119 If you don't call the rules correctly, you benefit the 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.040 team that breaks the rules. And that's Merrick Garland and 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.280 is a legend attempt to be non political. 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:37.640 He has. 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:40.720 All he's done is completely politicize the process. 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:42.400 And that. 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:48.080 The reason why I've been screaming about Merrick Garland for 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.680 two years prior to this is because at some point 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:55.199 his failure becomes unrecoverable, right like you can't. And this 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:58.320 is where I'm talking about the timeline. Because of his delays, 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.600 it's now very hard to squeeze everything in before the election. 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:03.000 I mean, Danielle, riddle me this. 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.439 Okay, Let's say one of these trials goes off and 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:07.520 he gets convicted. 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:10.560 Is he gonna get sentenced. 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:14.200 Before the election. Is he gonna be sent to jail 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.080 before the election? How does that even work? Are we 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:25.040 gonna actually send federal marshals to arrest the Republican nominee 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:29.479 for president eight weeks before the general election. Is that 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:31.920 really something that's gonna happen in America, because that's gonna 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:36.520 look like something that happens in you know, other cut 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:38.280 in true Banana Republic countries. 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:38.600 Right. 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:43.600 So, because the timeline has been so truncated, I just 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:46.639 don't know how any of this happens before he's allowed 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.320