Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress friends
Speaker 1: and digital listener community. Today we are joined by someone
Speaker 1: who defines being whip smart herself. Today's guest is none
Speaker 1: other than Emmy and Tony nominated writer, comedian, host, and
Speaker 1: performer Amber Ruffin. She has become one of the most
Speaker 1: prominent and celebrated voices in late night television and happens
Speaker 1: to be one of my favorite people ever to be
Speaker 1: interviewed by. To interview and to hang out with, Ruffin
Speaker 1: is not only a cool, brilliant lady, she's also a
Speaker 1: history maker. She made history as the first black woman
Speaker 1: to write for a late night network talk show in
Speaker 1: the United States, joining the writing staff of NBC's iconic
Speaker 1: Late Night with Seth Myers in twenty twenty four. Her
Speaker 1: quick wit, boundless energy, and incisive social commentary quickly made
Speaker 1: her a breakout star, leading to regular on air appearances
Speaker 1: for her and then the creation of her own segment,
Speaker 1: Amber Says What. Most recently, Amber penned the revised book
Speaker 1: for Broadway's current revival of The Whiz. This is actually
Speaker 1: her second recent foray into Broadway, having received a Tony
Speaker 1: nomination just last year for co writing the book of
Speaker 1: the musical sum Like It Hot, based on the classic film,
Speaker 1: and as the host of her own eponymous late night
Speaker 1: program on Peacock, The Amber Ruffin Show, she has carved
Speaker 1: out a truly unique space for herself as a sharp
Speaker 1: witted satirist and dynamic on camera personality. That might be
Speaker 1: because Ruffin got her start in the world of improv.
Speaker 1: She has performed with acclaimed troops in Chicago and Amsterdam
Speaker 1: before transitioning to writing and on camera work. She has
Speaker 1: this incredible ability to find humor in the every day
Speaker 1: and to challenge societal norms. I love her biting, incisive style,
Speaker 1: and so do the rest of you, because it's earned
Speaker 1: her widespread acclaim, including the aforementioned DEMI nomination for Outstanding
Speaker 1: Writing for a Variety Series. She is also currently the host,
Speaker 1: alongside her sister Lacy Lamar, of The Amber and Lacey.
Speaker 1: Lacy and Amber Shall a weekly podcast produced by our
Speaker 1: friends right here at iHeartMedia and Will Ferrell's Big Money
Speaker 1: Players Network. This show is so entertaining. It pits the
Speaker 1: sisters against each other as they discuss life, on pop culture,
Speaker 1: and more, while inviting exciting guests and games into their
Speaker 1: sibling rivalry. The sisters have also written two books together
Speaker 1: and happened to be New York Times best sellers. I
Speaker 1: could go on and on with more accolades for Amber,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure you'd rather be hearing from her than
Speaker 1: me in this intro. So let's dive in and chat
Speaker 1: with Amber Ruffin. So the thing I love to do
Speaker 1: the most with people because when I sit down with
Speaker 1: someone like you, they know you from TV, they know
Speaker 1: you from being nominated for awards, They've seen you on
Speaker 1: late night, all of these things. I want to know
Speaker 1: if from this vantage point, if you got to hang
Speaker 1: out with Amber the eight year old, would you see
Speaker 1: the current version of you in her? Like? Is there
Speaker 1: a through line? Or do you wind up here completely unexpectedly.
Speaker 2: I feel like I was a big baby. I'm still
Speaker 2: kind of a big baby. But then, what do you mean,
Speaker 2: like scared of everything? It was a bug, but now
Speaker 2: I'm like a little murderer. For me to feel embarrassed,
Speaker 2: like I'm kind of loud and I'm up your nose
Speaker 2: and stuff. But then when I look back at when
Speaker 2: I was eight, I feel like I was feeling a
Speaker 2: little scared, but I was still m boogs both clid
Speaker 2: me and I was very wild, and I don't give
Speaker 2: myself enough credit for for how bad I was when
Speaker 2: I was young. It was pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Okay. Can we give little use some credit right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, Amber, you're really bidy and I enjoy that
Speaker 2: about you.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it. So were you?
Speaker 1: Were you into television talk shows, you know, the local
Speaker 1: hot goss, which I consider to be politics when you're young, Like,
Speaker 1: were you into all that as a kid? What inspired
Speaker 1: you to become, you know, an observational comedian writer, Like,
Speaker 1: where did it come from?
Speaker 2: Well? I feel like I never was into the goss,
Speaker 2: like celebrity gosp politics, who's Who's. What what happened was
Speaker 2: is I realized that I was funny and that you
Speaker 2: could like make a living from it, which I didn't
Speaker 2: think was possible, but I was sure won't try, so
Speaker 2: I gave it a show and it worked out. That's
Speaker 2: kind of how it came about. But I didn't really
Speaker 2: care about politics, even though my mom, you know, was
Speaker 2: run around yelling about Ronald Reagan. That's my age, but
Speaker 2: she would and she would be cussing this man out
Speaker 2: all the time, and I would go she wouldn't be cussing.
Speaker 2: She'd be so madified said she discussing. I've never heard
Speaker 2: this woman say a goussword, but you know, she'd be
Speaker 2: so mad about him and what he was doing. And
Speaker 2: it never really occurred to me to be like, I
Speaker 2: wonder what her deal with is? What's wrong with this guy?
Speaker 2: Didn't occur to me until Late Night came along, and
Speaker 2: then I kind of had to know what was up.
Speaker 2: And you know, the more you find out, the worse
Speaker 2: you feel.
Speaker 1: Way, Hey, Yeah, It's like people will ask me how
Speaker 1: I got to be such a policy nerd and connect
Speaker 1: the dots between all these issues, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: once you start pulling on the thread, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: kind of can't stop. Yeah, because the more you learn,
Speaker 1: the more you realize there's so much more to learn,
Speaker 1: and it just continues. How did the jump happen then?
Speaker 1: From realizing you were funny, realizing there was a world
Speaker 1: a career in humor, to getting to Late Night like that,
Speaker 1: what's what's in that gap there?
Speaker 2: I moved to Chicago to do improv the gap is, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then I was there for a long time.
Speaker 1: Where were you were you at Second City? Were you
Speaker 1: at Io.
Speaker 2: I was at Io.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then I went to Boom Chicago, which is a comedy
Speaker 2: theater in Amsterdam, which is basically the Second City, but
Speaker 2: it's in Amsterdam. Yeah. And I did the Second City
Speaker 2: in Denver. Then I did the Second City in Chicago.
Speaker 2: Then I went to Amsterdam for Boom Chicago, and then
Speaker 2: I moved to la to make it, and then I
Speaker 2: got Late Night Seth and then it was off to the.
Speaker 1: Races, and then you had to move to New York.
Speaker 2: Right then I had to move to New York.
Speaker 1: And here we are. And is it like crazy or
Speaker 1: an uncomfortable accolade, or like totally exciting, or maybe it's
Speaker 1: a blend of all of them. To know that you
Speaker 1: you made history, Like we're not that old, and you
Speaker 1: made history as the first black woman to write for
Speaker 1: a late night now work talk show when you joined SETH,
Speaker 1: and like that was only ten years ago. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what is that like in your brain? It
Speaker 1: kind of breaks my brain to think about. For you,
Speaker 1: as I look at.
Speaker 2: You, I didn't think about it. I didn't know that
Speaker 2: that was happening. Oh wow. People were like, did you
Speaker 2: know that You're the first guy got guga ga. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, that's you know, a little sad,
Speaker 2: but it also makes a lot of sense. Think about
Speaker 2: the shows you watched and their jokes and what they
Speaker 2: were doing. Yeah, I bet there wasn't a black lady
Speaker 2: in that room. I'm pretty sure. But it just is
Speaker 2: nice because when I got hired, then I think Robin
Speaker 2: Thedie got her late night show, The Rundown, and then
Speaker 2: you know sam Bee I think had hired black women,
Speaker 2: and then just a little bit into my working at
Speaker 2: late night, Yes, Robin Thetie's birthday and we were like,
Speaker 2: you know what she likes is black women in late night.
Speaker 2: And so we were like, bet you we can get
Speaker 2: everyone to go to a dinner and we called everyone.
Speaker 2: There was only ten of us in late night. There
Speaker 2: was one of us that lived in la but I
Speaker 2: feel like there was just ten people at a table
Speaker 2: and we were like, this is the entirety of black
Speaker 2: women in late night. They were like, this is sad,
Speaker 2: but also quite cool. Wow, cool, I can text every
Speaker 2: black woman in late night. That was very neat right.
Speaker 1: It's like a little both and like hmmm and also awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've said you've talked a bunch about how you'll never
Speaker 1: leave this show. But you've also you're doing all your
Speaker 1: own shows and you and your sister are writing books.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, a lot going on. So what
Speaker 1: does that look like? How do you remain part of
Speaker 1: the Seth Meyers family and do all the other things
Speaker 1: you do? And why why have you wanted to stay
Speaker 1: there for a whole decade?
Speaker 2: Ay? I want to stay here for a whole decade
Speaker 2: for exactly that reason, because they let us do whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love that we turn in sketches. We
Speaker 2: you know, I don't really turn in jokes a lot.
Speaker 2: I sometimes turn in jokes. It is a really cool,
Speaker 2: happy job where they want you to succeed. Like I've
Speaker 2: with set with Seth's production company, I've had five five
Speaker 2: pilots and we shot two. We shot three. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: it's like they reach to succeed. Yeah. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 2: very cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, not to say I'm like
Speaker 1: the most experienced at late night person by any means,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I've been doing like TV shows for twenty years,
Speaker 1: so I've done a lot of late night press and
Speaker 1: I will never forget I got to go on as
Speaker 1: a guest the first week of SETH and I had
Speaker 1: the best time, and everyone was so cool and he
Speaker 1: is so lovely and I don't even know how. In
Speaker 1: like a commercial break, we were talking and he found
Speaker 1: out I'm a furniture nerd and he was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you got to know my wife's families. They're
Speaker 1: interior people. And we like started following all these people
Speaker 1: on Instagram and and then he they would like invite
Speaker 1: me to things, and I was like, this is just
Speaker 1: such a nice person. And then I was reading Amy
Speaker 1: Poehler's book, and I will admit that I was day
Speaker 1: drinking with a friend of mine. It was a Sunday.
Speaker 1: We were by a pool, we'd had some rose, and
Speaker 1: I read sess chapter and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: just so sweet, Like men in our industry are toxic,
Speaker 1: and he's such a nice one. And I sent him
Speaker 1: like a not short, like drunk text about what a
Speaker 1: good guy and an ally he is. And I think
Speaker 1: he was like okay, chicky and his wife was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't know how to handle feelings, but
Speaker 1: he loves to laugh. But I thought it was sweet
Speaker 1: and we were cackling. I was like, you too, are
Speaker 1: just for like people who run a whole amazing industry,
Speaker 1: which clearly they're also changing. Hence this conversation. I was like,
Speaker 1: y'all are so normal and funny.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Just as a guest, I never want to leave there,
Speaker 1: so I would imagine that as a writer, You're like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay. I'm just gonna stay forever.
Speaker 2: Out of my cold dead hands. He can enit. I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. Do you do you think about cause
Speaker 1: it's ten years right and late night happens fast. You're
Speaker 1: processing politics, pop culture, history, insurrections, you know, all sorts
Speaker 1: of things are there? Are there like standout moments in
Speaker 1: that writer's room that you can share with us?
Speaker 3: I mean a little like moments are stupid? I love stupid,
Speaker 3: Like are my.
Speaker 2: When I think of the room, I think of like
Speaker 2: a few moments where like, oh my gosh, who's who's
Speaker 2: this guy? Who's this guy? Beer? I love beer? O god,
Speaker 2: I'm on trial for this and that. Who is that guy?
Speaker 2: What's that guy's name?
Speaker 1: Who is it?
Speaker 2: It's oh, Brett, Brett Cavanaugh? To you know what? We
Speaker 2: were better for not knowing his name?
Speaker 1: You're right, I try to think of him as as
Speaker 1: rarely as possible, though it is hard with a whole
Speaker 1: lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: Thing, girl yikes. When he was on trial in the room,
Speaker 2: we were just like, oh my god. And then when
Speaker 2: she had to testify against him, I just thought we
Speaker 2: were all going to explode. It was horrifying and it
Speaker 2: made me want to jump through the TV screen and
Speaker 2: choke that gay so that and then we were all
Speaker 2: just like feeling it as a team. But everybody on
Speaker 2: Late night is such a sweet little baby. We were
Speaker 2: all feeling the same anger. And a time that stands
Speaker 2: out as a the day after Trump won and we
Speaker 2: come into work and everybody everybody's like and knew it
Speaker 2: was racist. I didn't know it was this racist. And
Speaker 2: I was just like, aha, I've.
Speaker 1: Been telling you you're like welcome.
Speaker 2: Welcome, buddies. And I remember, like I put the bit
Speaker 2: I was doing in the room on Late Night that night,
Speaker 2: which I was, yeah, it sucks. These people are crazy.
Speaker 2: They could be your dad or your brother. Join the
Speaker 2: fun was just of course I've joined the fun. But
Speaker 2: the my favorite memory from the Late Night Writer's Room
Speaker 2: is when John Lutz went on to shoot because he
Speaker 2: had a show that he had to shoot. So he
Speaker 2: was gone for a week, and every day of the
Speaker 2: week we made He said, do whatever you want, just
Speaker 2: don't eat at my desk. So we every day we
Speaker 2: brought in a crock pot. One day served kso on
Speaker 2: his desk Italian beef O my God. And it was
Speaker 2: just like a long line out of the writer's room.
Speaker 2: It was the whole office and everyone was just like scooping,
Speaker 2: said a mean video. Yeah, there's a lot of that.
Speaker 2: I love it. It's family energy.
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Speaker 1: right when things are hard, Like having community and finding
Speaker 1: the joy in the middle of it is so important.
Speaker 1: And I would imagine that there's a there's like a
Speaker 1: respite and a safety in that because listen, I think America. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm going to back up to circle back to where
Speaker 1: we are. It's not lost on me that I have
Speaker 1: had the immense privilege of a really beautifully diverse community.
Speaker 1: Not everybody gets the privilege of exposure, like plenty of
Speaker 1: people have white privilege. But if you have it in
Speaker 1: like the in a homogeneous sort of space, you're not
Speaker 1: going to know about the rest of the world. Like
Speaker 1: I am only as smart as I am because of
Speaker 1: the community and the company that I keep, and so
Speaker 1: much of what I understand about the world comes from
Speaker 1: women like you, women who I was fortunate enough to
Speaker 1: grow up with, who are like I told you exactly
Speaker 1: what you said about Like it's your dad, it's your cousin,
Speaker 1: I told you. And so it's not lost on me
Speaker 1: that like a safety is required, especially as a black
Speaker 1: woman in America, to be open. And after the murder
Speaker 1: of George Floyd and the sort of social justice cry
Speaker 1: explosions summer in twenty twenty, you recounted your own traumatic
Speaker 1: run ins with the police on Late Night and I
Speaker 1: was blown away by it as a viewer and a fan,
Speaker 1: And I guess I'm curious as like a you know,
Speaker 1: friend and now interviewer in this moment, like how did
Speaker 1: how did that happen? Did you say, like, look, this
Speaker 1: is really important for me to do or was it
Speaker 1: four years of these horrible Donald Trump conversations that had
Speaker 1: put so much of it out on the table well
Speaker 1: that it was ready to go already, Like how did
Speaker 1: you decide to lead that charge in your writer's room.
Speaker 2: So the week George Floyd was murdered, I wrote something
Speaker 2: up and then I brought it in and as the
Speaker 2: it was a sketch, it was a regular sketch. And
Speaker 2: then as the day went on, I was like, oh no,
Speaker 2: you can't do a sketch about it, because it, for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, this murder just activated America. So I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: it has to be a rant. It has to just
Speaker 2: be me saying my feelings to camera. Then by showtime
Speaker 2: it was clear that that would have become in poor
Speaker 2: taste to do. So I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: this has never happened where I wrote something and it
Speaker 2: timed out in me hours. It was too far, So
Speaker 2: I said, you know what we should do. I can peep.
Speaker 2: Because my main chorus during the murder of George Floyd
Speaker 2: was people were saying, well, this is not typical, and
Speaker 2: I my whole thing was this is extremely typical. This
Speaker 2: could be any one of us. And so then I
Speaker 2: was like, this is what I want to do. I
Speaker 2: want to tell this exact story and just be like,
Speaker 2: at this point, Late Night has been going on for
Speaker 2: years and years, and you know me and this happened
Speaker 2: to me when I was only smaller and cuter. It
Speaker 2: happened to me. So they were like great, and I
Speaker 2: said it you know, this was in COVID, So then
Speaker 2: I recorded it in my little apartment and then sent
Speaker 2: it in and then the next day that was it.
Speaker 2: We were still so the country was so like stinging.
Speaker 2: It stung ye his murder it really took a long
Speaker 2: time to heal. And so then at the end of
Speaker 2: the first time, I told a story about my actual
Speaker 2: recount with the police when I thought they were going
Speaker 2: to murder me. I was like, and I have a
Speaker 2: million more stories like this. Yeah. So then the next
Speaker 2: day they were like, will you tell another one? So
Speaker 2: they opened the show with it, instead of the theme song,
Speaker 2: instead of the band, instead of anything. It was just
Speaker 2: seth going, here's amber to tell a story because we
Speaker 2: are saddened by the death of George Flood. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it was really into it, and I did four shows
Speaker 2: worth of stories, and at the end of the fourth story,
Speaker 2: I was like, these are not all of the times
Speaker 2: when I thought a cop was going to kill me.
Speaker 2: They're so I was like, and I don't know any
Speaker 2: black person without this many stories.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: I just really wanted to make that clear because I've
Speaker 2: heard everyone I know go, well, the police said that
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. So I'm like, wow, but
Speaker 2: what whoah? Yeah, So that I feel like, of all
Speaker 2: of the horrible things that happened in the world, of
Speaker 2: all the things we have to learn about, my big
Speaker 2: horrible thing that I had to learn about was that
Speaker 2: people thought we were lying this whole time. Like I
Speaker 2: was just like, what, so everybody lies this madness? But
Speaker 2: then you see how ingrained it is. It's just in
Speaker 2: there owns this white supremacy is hard to get out
Speaker 2: from it.
Speaker 1: It is. And I think it also when I've thought
Speaker 1: about this a lot in terms of like the structures
Speaker 1: that we rely on to make us feel safe, even
Speaker 1: if that safety is an illusion, the idea of a
Speaker 1: hero is really powerful, right, And if the heroes can
Speaker 1: also be the bad guys, how do we calm down?
Speaker 1: And so when that whole summer happened, And I guess
Speaker 1: I'm just curious what you think of this, because as
Speaker 1: I thought about it, and to your point, it's stung
Speaker 1: so deeply and it was different like everybody's been screaming
Speaker 1: from the rooftops that this is happening. We've said the
Speaker 1: names of Sandra Bland, of Orlando Castile and all, I mean,
Speaker 1: all of these people, you know, what hit differently, and
Speaker 1: I think the length of that tape and the very clear,
Speaker 1: you know, cries of a person, everybody went, wait. We've
Speaker 1: always been told, oh, well, you don't understand what happened
Speaker 1: in the moment and it was a split second and
Speaker 1: they thought he had a gun and it turned out
Speaker 1: to be a phone. And there was always kind of
Speaker 1: like this excuse where you could say, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 1: they were just doing people would say not you or I,
Speaker 1: but people would say, well, they were doing their jobs,
Speaker 1: and their jobs are so hard. And then you watch
Speaker 1: this and you go, it's not hard to get up
Speaker 1: off somebody's body. It's actually not hard. It's not hard
Speaker 1: to listen to the people on the streets begging you
Speaker 1: to stop hurting someone like it isn't hard. And it
Speaker 1: pierced the veil of this idea of goodness I believe,
Speaker 1: and when I try to talk to people about it,
Speaker 1: because I really don't think it's the job of you,
Speaker 1: as a black woman, certainly to have this conversation. I think,
Speaker 1: like women who look like me need to have this
Speaker 1: conversation with their communities first and foremost. I talk a
Speaker 1: lot about what we experien and says gender violence with
Speaker 1: people because I'm like, well, listen, if if one in
Speaker 1: four women get sexually assaulted by the time she's twenty two,
Speaker 1: and they actually think the numbers are more like one
Speaker 1: in two, but a lot of women are scared to report,
Speaker 1: like we have a problem with men, right, Like it's
Speaker 1: not our problem, it's actually their problem. If one in
Speaker 1: three people who die who's murdered in America is murdered
Speaker 1: by a police officer, which is the statistic, Like we
Speaker 1: have a problem. We have a problem.
Speaker 2: The statistic is one in three.
Speaker 1: I believe, So I believe one in three people who
Speaker 1: is murdered in America. It might be a gun death,
Speaker 1: but I do believe that that will I will double
Speaker 1: check it, Like we.
Speaker 2: Have a problem.
Speaker 1: And that's not even getting into the incidences and statistics
Speaker 1: of domestic violence in that population. And like if seventy
Speaker 1: three percent of the women murdered in America are murdered
Speaker 1: by a current or former intimate partner, like we have
Speaker 1: a problem. And these problems are connected. Did And one
Speaker 1: of the things that, as you know, a fan turned friend,
Speaker 1: that I have admired is I know I can get
Speaker 1: a little stuck on the data and people are like, god,
Speaker 1: it's so serious. It's a really heavy conversation, Sophia. And
Speaker 1: you managed to take your life experiences this really intense
Speaker 1: pain that is personal and societal, and you showed up
Speaker 1: and you told these stories on Late Night, and then
Speaker 1: by the fall of twenty twenty, you started the Amber
Speaker 1: Ruffin Show, which, to our friends listening, I was lucky
Speaker 1: enough to go on in COVID and we had a
Speaker 1: time and I wore a little bow tie shirt because
Speaker 1: you love a tie. And you managed to give us
Speaker 1: a show that was so fucking funny and also so
Speaker 1: incredibly politically timely and topical, and you wove these huge
Speaker 1: ideas of like American justice and racial justice and gender
Speaker 1: justice and all these things, and you made it funny
Speaker 1: and like, yo, a, I bow down, b How Like
Speaker 1: how do you do that? Because I get accused of
Speaker 1: being too serious all the time, So like, how did
Speaker 1: you take this really like heavy historical weight that's past
Speaker 1: and present, and like, how do you put your your
Speaker 1: really genius comedic spin on it, because comedy, I think
Speaker 1: is the medicine that gets the truth in. So maybe
Speaker 1: what I'm asking is for you to give us a
Speaker 1: little class.
Speaker 2: Your lecture so nice, that is, those are such kind words.
Speaker 2: It's true we had such a blast on that show.
Speaker 2: But I don't know that there is a special way
Speaker 2: to do it. It's just how we are in my family, okay,
Speaker 2: And I bet it's how most black people are, because
Speaker 2: it's not you'd go crazy, but we would be. You know.
Speaker 2: I would come in and I would be like, I
Speaker 2: can't believe I'm going to say this, But my you know,
Speaker 2: boss told me, why don't I just straighten my hair
Speaker 2: like the rest of you people? And I really have it?
Speaker 2: And my family and I laughed ourselves sick because because
Speaker 2: it's the most bananas thing I've ever heard of my life.
Speaker 2: I like to see this, lady, you want to tell
Speaker 2: me how I'm supposed to look a girl? Also like
Speaker 2: the notion of being like you have to change the
Speaker 2: texture of your hair. Why doesn't it change all the time.
Speaker 2: The texture of your hair a never changed, but I'm
Speaker 2: not looking so like. We just laughed and laughed and
Speaker 2: laughed and the next air was fired. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 2: that's just life. I feel like it's hopefully the younger
Speaker 2: you are the fewer of those stories you have, But
Speaker 2: I'm from Omaha, Nebraska, so I got plenty. I got
Speaker 2: my stories and a couple of stories for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's the way. I so admire the way
Speaker 1: you tell stories and the way you and your sister
Speaker 1: tell stories together, because, like, you know, reading y'all's first
Speaker 1: book felt like a real peak in to you know,
Speaker 1: your life, where your sense of humor comes from. And yeah,
Speaker 1: how how you can process everything from like you know,
Speaker 1: the benign daily whatever we all have to do, to
Speaker 1: the not okay, to like the most beautiful moments in
Speaker 1: a family YouTube, process particularly together in ways that really
Speaker 1: just I mean clearly make me giggle, but make everybody giggle.
Speaker 1: Because your book's a bestseller. How did the two of
Speaker 1: you decide to start telling stories together, Lacey?
Speaker 2: I've always noticed that Lacy has so many work racism stories.
Speaker 2: Lacy has eight billion, and they happened to her constantly,
Speaker 2: and each story is funnier than the last. They really are.
Speaker 2: They just make me laugh her just telling it flat
Speaker 2: with no stank on it. Just her saying the facts
Speaker 2: of what happened has me doubled over laughing. So then
Speaker 2: let us get our mouths around it and really be
Speaker 2: talking about it. And it is so funny. So I
Speaker 2: just thought the amount of these stories the volume could
Speaker 2: fill a book. And it did, well, yes it did.
Speaker 2: But the the uh my agents were like, meet with
Speaker 2: the book agent. And I was like, I don't want
Speaker 2: to meet with the book agent. I don't want to
Speaker 2: write a book. No, thank you, and they were like,
Speaker 2: just do it. So I did it. And then we
Speaker 2: were talking and I go, you know what could fill
Speaker 2: a book is my sister's racist stories. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: and he was I told him how she tried to
Speaker 2: She paid for something with a check and she had
Speaker 2: Black History Month checks and the Black History Month check
Speaker 2: had a picture of a historical figure on it, and
Speaker 2: she paid another check out that cashier said, I didn't
Speaker 2: know you could get your own picture on your checks,
Speaker 2: no picture of Harriet Tubman. So like I told that story.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's one of seven hundred stories that
Speaker 2: I can think of, and he was like, we'll call it.
Speaker 2: You'll never believe what happened to Lacey I was like absolutely,
Speaker 2: and then we told a second Yeah. Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: a very fun book and it's just real life stories
Speaker 2: that just all of her racist stories that are funny,
Speaker 2: Like that's still.
Speaker 1: So many because you got a laugh for real cry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she has some pretty good ones.
Speaker 1: What is it like? Because I imagine you obviously you're
Speaker 1: going to get a whole lot of feedback when you
Speaker 1: write a book. Do you have there been people who've
Speaker 1: been willing to be like, oh that really? That was
Speaker 1: what made me get it, Like reading your book was
Speaker 1: what made me go, I see, I'm going to look
Speaker 1: at the world around me a little bit differently. Or
Speaker 1: do you think people are too scared to say that.
Speaker 2: No, when I did all of Late Night, I never
Speaker 2: got any fan mail all of Rough and Show, I
Speaker 2: never got any fan mail. I got fan mail after
Speaker 2: the book Wow, And people were like, I just didn't
Speaker 2: get it. I didn't know. I didn't know. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: didn't understand what was happening. I didn't think people were
Speaker 2: I thought maybe everyone was exaggerating, blah blah blah. They
Speaker 2: just didn't get it. Right now, I hope a lot
Speaker 2: of people do see like that. It seems like it's
Speaker 2: being exaggerated, but it's not. But it's what is happening
Speaker 2: every stinking day.
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Speaker 1: the writing. You know, we talked about your book with
Speaker 1: your sister, We've talked about Late Night. I think about
Speaker 1: all these things you've accomplished, you know, writing for that
Speaker 1: show and being a bestseller and hosting your own show
Speaker 1: and getting a Tony nomination and co founding your own
Speaker 1: production company, you know, making these pilots like you've talked about. Like,
Speaker 1: with all this stuff under your belt, what has been
Speaker 1: the most fun and what are you the most excited
Speaker 1: for that's coming down the line.
Speaker 2: The most fun has been It was probably the imberifferind show.
Speaker 2: That was very fun. But it's also very fun too.
Speaker 2: One of the things I'm doing now, I was writing
Speaker 2: a like I wrote. I co wrote some like It Hot,
Speaker 2: which was a Broadway and then I wrote The Whiz
Speaker 2: Or Broadway. And now I'm writing my own musical about
Speaker 2: Bigfoot called Bigfoot. But it's so fun to like write
Speaker 2: a song but I'm me, regular me, and then you
Speaker 2: give it to like super Broadway lady and oh she
Speaker 2: sings it like crazy and go coolest, that's the coolest
Speaker 2: thing to watch this lady be like hmmm hmmm, I
Speaker 2: can do it, k And then she just sings bananas. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's my that's my new freakin' jam.
Speaker 1: How do you know how to write music?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Where does that come from?
Speaker 2: At Boom Chicago the Comedy Theater in Amsterdam, we did
Speaker 2: short form comedy like whose line is it Anyway? And
Speaker 2: a large part of that was improvising songs, which is
Speaker 2: hard until it's not, and then it's very easy if
Speaker 2: you're just once you can do it on your feet,
Speaker 2: if you have time and you sit down and you
Speaker 2: can type it out. Whoa, It's as easy as it gets.
Speaker 2: Like to have the luxury of not having three hundred
Speaker 2: people looking at you and being like, the suggestion was lemon,
Speaker 2: you better make it back. You know, it's so nice,
Speaker 2: it's really sweet.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's so cool. When I when I
Speaker 1: was living in Chicago working on a show, I had
Speaker 1: this dream of like doing comedy class at Io. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to do it. I love the
Speaker 1: improv Shakespeare is It's gonna be so funn and you know,
Speaker 1: production schedules or production schedules, and I for like three
Speaker 1: weeks I missed the class I signed up for, and
Speaker 1: I was like, who what did I? How did I
Speaker 1: think this was ever gonna work?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Oh man, I like I dream of it someday, But
Speaker 1: it also sounds so scary, Like I would die if
Speaker 1: somebody just made me make up a song in front
Speaker 1: of a room.
Speaker 2: You could do it.
Speaker 1: I'm sweating like thinking about it.
Speaker 2: You'll only die like four times my hands are claiming
Speaker 2: You'll be fine?
Speaker 1: How because comedy that sort of improv To your point,
Speaker 1: I think you have to learn to get over your
Speaker 1: own fear, right, Like you have to learn to be
Speaker 1: a little fearless to fail in real time, you know,
Speaker 1: do all these things kind of out loud and see
Speaker 1: what happens. Do you think your improv training has has
Speaker 1: helped you deal with the kinds of criticism that comes
Speaker 1: along with, you know, being women in the public eye
Speaker 1: who are smart about politics.
Speaker 2: Did improv help me do with it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like, do you think that the the the sort of
Speaker 1: backbone you build has has helped you kind of slough
Speaker 1: off some of the critiques that no doubt come with
Speaker 1: being you know, you're a woman in the public eye,
Speaker 1: a black woman in the public eye, a queer black
Speaker 1: woman in the public eye, a queer black political woman
Speaker 1: in the public eye, like all the things that piss
Speaker 1: off anybody who doesn't like opinionated women. So like, how
Speaker 1: do you do you think comedy helped you be resilient
Speaker 1: to that? Or have you had to do more of
Speaker 1: like a mental health care practice.
Speaker 2: No, two things have helped me. One being booed by
Speaker 2: hundreds of people at the same time, Like, once that happens,
Speaker 2: once you have just like a comically bad show. Oh
Speaker 2: feel bulletproof, you know what I mean? Like you can
Speaker 2: beat you can write whatever little review you want. You're
Speaker 2: not gonna hurt. My feelings were then two hundred people
Speaker 2: be like no, no, and that's the worst.
Speaker 1: I'm sweating.
Speaker 2: But then when I got late night Seth, Seth was like,
Speaker 2: do not talk to people online. If someone says something
Speaker 2: sideways to you, leave them alone, do not engage under
Speaker 2: any circumstances. Don't ever do it.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so hard.
Speaker 2: So then because of that I feel really really free
Speaker 2: and really really good, and because it's almost like, well,
Speaker 2: my boss told me to be chill. Then when people
Speaker 2: say crazy things online, I can just go whea, none
Speaker 2: I can do. It's this out of my hands. So
Speaker 2: it feels really good to just not even so I
Speaker 2: don't even look at the bad stuff. It doesn't really
Speaker 2: because it ain't nothing I gonna do. No way.
Speaker 1: Oh it's hard though. Yeah, I even even this many
Speaker 1: years into this, I think I'm pretty good at it,
Speaker 1: and then every once in a while something just smacks
Speaker 1: me in the back of the skull, and I like,
Speaker 1: it's rare that I break. But when I break, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I deserved. I deserved to say it because I'm pissed,
Speaker 1: and also I wish I hadn't done it. There's just
Speaker 1: no good way to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is no way to do it and leave
Speaker 2: feeling great or yeah, you know what I mean. At
Speaker 2: some point, I'm like, if not, if I was out
Speaker 2: here changing hearts and minds, battling people, then that's another thing,
Speaker 2: and I'll do it right, knowing how rare that is,
Speaker 2: and knowing how precious my joy is to me.
Speaker 1: M you gotta protect it. I like that. How when
Speaker 1: you think about how precious your joy is, and then
Speaker 1: what does come with the sort of there's one of
Speaker 1: you and millions of people out there. I want to
Speaker 1: tell you what they think. It's a really uneven seesaw.
Speaker 1: How how did you decide this year to be like?
Speaker 1: Oh and hey, ps, I'm a queer lady? Is it
Speaker 1: because you fell in love with someone and knew like
Speaker 1: you were going to be out and about is it?
Speaker 1: Did it just kind of feel like time? Duh? Because
Speaker 1: you said like in an announcement that will shock absolutely
Speaker 1: no one was essentially the quote which made me giggle.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey girl, like, how do you make
Speaker 1: that determination?
Speaker 2: I came out because well, I had just found out
Speaker 2: I didn't think. I mean, I certainly probably thought I
Speaker 2: was a little something, but I was unaware to the degree. Also,
Speaker 2: thank god your phone number wasn't in my phone? Then,
Speaker 2: why dude, what am I doing? No? Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I would have picked up the phone in a heartbeat. Also,
Speaker 1: if you had text me, I would have been like,
Speaker 1: we're getting on a FaceTime. That's how I like to
Speaker 1: do everything.
Speaker 2: So do I Great, Sophia. We're old people don't do
Speaker 2: that anymore. But I'm like, if I can talk to you,
Speaker 2: I want.
Speaker 1: To see your phone, I'd rather see your face.
Speaker 2: But it is like rememb movies where black people are black,
Speaker 2: but then they're passing and then they enjoy the privileges
Speaker 2: of it. That's kind of what it felt like to
Speaker 2: nasting is say out loud, you know, because I'm like,
Speaker 2: eventually I'm gonna be holding hands with someone, and I
Speaker 2: don't want people to be pressing me, you know. And
Speaker 2: also I don't want my partner to have to endure
Speaker 2: you what wait you said a goo goo ba, you know.
Speaker 2: And but most of all, I just want to give everybody,
Speaker 2: you know, fair warning about the whooping that can catch
Speaker 2: you like now. But also it's nothing. It I risked nothing,
Speaker 2: It does nothing because like the Amber referen show rode
Speaker 2: so hard for every marginalized community that my circle doesn't
Speaker 2: have any homophobes in it. I would have to go
Speaker 2: like four people out to even encounter anything like that.
Speaker 2: So it really cost me nothing. Like I know, my
Speaker 2: eighty two year old parents, they're fine. Yeah, it's truly nothing,
Speaker 2: there's there. It took no skin off my back. But
Speaker 2: it was also like, let's lay the groundwork and let's
Speaker 2: just look at everything from this point of view, and
Speaker 2: it's so funny. It's like the little things where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: well one day, one lucky guy, I'm like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I've tried that. I've been that. Yeah. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: then it was just the smart thing to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I love it. I love this for us,
Speaker 1: I love it for you, I love it for me,
Speaker 1: I know. And now a word from our sponsors who
Speaker 1: make this show possible. How does it all kind of
Speaker 1: feel now? You know, because there's so much going on
Speaker 1: and so much you're working on, and that's from you know,
Speaker 1: the career stuff to the personal life that you're like
Speaker 1: embracing and growing into, and you've got your latest project
Speaker 1: Have I Got News for You on CNN, which we love, Like,
Speaker 1: how does the landscape of life feel right now?
Speaker 2: It feels weird, like the new Have I Got News
Speaker 2: for You feels bonkers because it's like I work here
Speaker 2: at late night at thirty Rock, and then you just
Speaker 2: walk a couple of blocks east and then there's also
Speaker 2: a little office for you that is at Have I
Speaker 2: Got News for You? I love it, yes, but I
Speaker 2: love Have I Got News for You? Because not a
Speaker 2: word I say is written. I didn't have to talk.
Speaker 2: I sometimes I go to work, I leave my computer
Speaker 2: at home. When I show up for having.
Speaker 1: It, you just waltz right in there and do the thing.
Speaker 2: I just start on in I tute around. No one
Speaker 2: expects anything from me. It's so nice.
Speaker 1: I think people expect because you have a show, they
Speaker 1: certainly expect something. Can you tell the listeners at home
Speaker 1: about it? Like, how is it different from the other
Speaker 1: things they've seen? You do give them a little lay
Speaker 1: of the land here.
Speaker 2: So How I Got Newsview is the first Babe CNN
Speaker 2: show that is funny? So what it is? Roywood Junior,
Speaker 2: Michael ian Black, and myself are all on a show
Speaker 2: that is a topical news quiz show that's the caveat
Speaker 2: when really it's just as shown up in goofing Off.
Speaker 2: Roywood Junior hosts it. Michael ian Black is one team captain.
Speaker 2: Amber Ruffin is another team captain. Every week Michael and
Speaker 2: I have on guests that complete our team and we
Speaker 2: battle head to head on a news quiz show and
Speaker 2: it's just us talking about news stories and doing delicious bits.
Speaker 2: It's very very fun and very much good for you.
Speaker 2: It's just like a happier way to ingest the news
Speaker 2: of the week, and that's on sad days on CNN
Speaker 2: and then maybe the next day on HBO Max.
Speaker 1: I want to say, we love it. It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of my dream way to do news, Like I either
Speaker 1: want to read an article or enjoy the thing I'm
Speaker 1: watching on TV. I can't do the cage match commentator,
Speaker 1: people screaming at each other on the note. It's stressful.
Speaker 1: Y'all have made staying up to date enjoyable.
Speaker 2: Yes, out, but thank you, thank.
Speaker 1: You Amber On behalf of the American people.
Speaker 2: Hey, I just can't stand to have watched a half
Speaker 2: an hour of television, a half an hour of news,
Speaker 2: and I'm still uninformed us of what's going on. Yes,
Speaker 2: if you talk about one thing for happen, you think
Speaker 2: I got time like that? Yes, the last time to
Speaker 2: do that. So yeah, that's why I like, have I
Speaker 2: got this? Because it's even the sadder not sadder, but
Speaker 2: even the more serious stuff, but also the Florida man
Speaker 2: stuff like and everything in between, which makes.
Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever done that? Have you
Speaker 1: googled your birthday in Florida man and seen what comes up?
Speaker 2: Is that something people are doing one.
Speaker 1: Hundred All you do is put in day and month
Speaker 1: and Florida Man, and you see what comes up? And
Speaker 1: I say this as someone who is in love with
Speaker 1: the woman from Florida. What do you get?
Speaker 2: Florida Man says syringes found in rectum are not and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to click on the record it and.
Speaker 1: Don't do it. The latest one that comes up for
Speaker 1: me is July eighth, Florida Man dressed is the grim
Speaker 1: Reaper scaring beach goers.
Speaker 2: That's great. Yeah, I hope he's like ye at them
Speaker 2: about sunscreen.
Speaker 1: I hope so too. It's a really fun party game
Speaker 1: to play.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I am so excited for you. I'm so excited for
Speaker 1: the show. I want to know, with all the things
Speaker 1: you know that you've done and are currently doing, you
Speaker 1: have in you know, my observation and estimation, you seem
Speaker 1: to have been that person who has remained so yourself
Speaker 1: and so authentic in these spaces that can kind of
Speaker 1: swallow you up and be hard to handle. And my
Speaker 1: question is twofold, I want to know what keeps you
Speaker 1: grounded and from this place of groundedness and success, what
Speaker 1: advice you would give to somebody who would like to
Speaker 1: follow in your footsteps?
Speaker 2: You are so nice. What keeps me grounded is I
Speaker 2: think it is hilarious when I am messing up. I
Speaker 2: just think it's so funny. Like the other day on
Speaker 2: Have I Got News for You, I made such a
Speaker 2: joke that I had so much confidence in and it
Speaker 2: went over horribly, and I know, laughed myself sick. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh man, I really thought I was doing
Speaker 2: something I was not. I was bringing the show down.
Speaker 2: But I think I think it's funny to fail. And
Speaker 2: I think I've had so many like fat, juicy, like
Speaker 2: good failures where it's like, oh man, you never gonna
Speaker 2: believe what happened to me, you know, Yeah, Joe in Germany,
Speaker 2: you know. And that's like, I think it's fun and
Speaker 2: I think it's good for you, and I think it's
Speaker 2: the only way to learn, Like you can't learn if
Speaker 2: you do a bunch of good stuff. You can only
Speaker 2: learn if you have some bad times. Yeah, But I
Speaker 2: think the way I stay grounded is comedy just works
Speaker 2: better if you're grounded. It when you're being honest and
Speaker 2: you are having actual feelings and looking them in the face,
Speaker 2: that's when it's funny. It's less funny if you're doing
Speaker 2: the thing you think you should be doing. If you're
Speaker 2: presenting as something you're not, that's way less funny than
Speaker 2: if you're like, you know, oops, I forgot to put
Speaker 2: on deodorant today, which I really did, Sophia. I have
Speaker 2: to keep deodorant in the office.
Speaker 1: Keep it in your desk.
Speaker 2: I have to keep it on my desk. Look at
Speaker 2: this desk. It's just you just.
Speaker 1: Need like a little go back of the things you
Speaker 1: need that stays.
Speaker 2: At the office. That's right, Like.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Yeah, I get toothpaste, toothbrush, I would say, deodorant
Speaker 1: probably like a change of socks, some band aids, some
Speaker 1: Listerine strips.
Speaker 2: A little bit of makeup, and then huh, and.
Speaker 1: Then you're good to go. You're prepared for anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I could show up anywhere in any state. I'm
Speaker 2: a little bit of a raggedy baby, and I think
Speaker 2: that's fine.
Speaker 1: I am too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's good for me.
Speaker 1: Diana, I was like, who has like you said earlier,
Speaker 1: who has the time?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't always have the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this I mean if you see me one time,
Speaker 2: one time I was out with my sister. My sister
Speaker 2: Lacy will burn me. She roast me alive, and she
Speaker 2: had been really ragged on me because I did look
Speaker 2: quite raggedy, I mean, more than normal. And she saw
Speaker 2: these two people come up and one girl was like,
Speaker 2: that's her, that's her, I know that's her, And the
Speaker 2: other woman took a look at me and made a
Speaker 2: grossed out face and was like, that's not her. And
Speaker 2: the other girl took a second look and was like,
Speaker 2: you're right, Lacey. Sylla whole thing and roasted me for
Speaker 2: a very long time, and I was like, I don't Yeah,
Speaker 2: that'll keep you grounded, get you a lacy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just gonna say that goes back up
Speaker 1: to the last question. I'm like, how do you stay grounded?
Speaker 1: You're like, my sister is a tormentor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Your best friend in your tormentor.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: It's really important to like figure out how to use
Speaker 1: all the tools in your tool belt, right, like your
Speaker 1: observational skills, your love for your community, humor, all these
Speaker 1: things go into your work, but work aside, like just
Speaker 1: for you in this moment when you look at the
Speaker 1: kind of landscape of your life, what feels like you're
Speaker 1: work in progress right now?
Speaker 2: I would say self care might be my work in
Speaker 2: progress because I'm really slack, and to me, like, what
Speaker 2: makes me feel good is feeling like I have done
Speaker 2: a lot of work. You know, that's not that's probably,
Speaker 2: but I love to just be on this mud type
Speaker 2: tipity tep type in all day and then sit down
Speaker 2: at six pm and be like, Wow, look at all
Speaker 2: this stuff I did. But you know, then, did I
Speaker 2: do my exercises? Was that eating right? Did I cook
Speaker 2: myself actual food? Did I care of myself in any way?
Speaker 2: You know? And a lot of times the answer to
Speaker 2: that is no, I think I'm I My work in
Speaker 2: progress is taking a minute and sitting down. Another thing
Speaker 2: I also don't do is I don't congratulate myself, which
Speaker 2: if you knew me for two minutes, you would be like, yes,
Speaker 2: you do, But I don't. I really don't think that
Speaker 2: I do, like in any real way, like really looking
Speaker 2: myself in the face and being like you did x
Speaker 2: y Z, good job, little baby, you did a good job.
Speaker 2: You deserve manny patty or a massage or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: me saying it out loud, I'm like, haha, oh goodness,
Speaker 2: I really have no I gotta get on it. I
Speaker 2: gotta get on it.
Speaker 1: I feel that I appreciate that too. It's like there
Speaker 1: really is something I think, especially as women in this industry,
Speaker 1: like it goes around the clock, and then it's always
Speaker 1: there's just less of us. And I mean even more so,
Speaker 1: I would imagine for you and how you feel as
Speaker 1: a black woman in this industry, and it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it can get so easy to always be
Speaker 1: showing up and always be doing the thing, and always
Speaker 1: be working, and always be on the zoom and always
Speaker 1: be on the call and always be available, and like
Speaker 1: weeks go by and you're like, have I gone outside?
Speaker 1: Have I like moved my body? Have I eaten anything
Speaker 1: that didn't come out of a plastic bag like O?
Speaker 1: Which is an especially weird thing if you do some
Speaker 1: version of this for a living, because all we have
Speaker 1: is like our body, Like if we get sick, it's over,
Speaker 1: and so it is. It's kind of it's kind of
Speaker 1: wild the way you can make yourself the lowest priority
Speaker 1: when in fact you should be. You should be up there,
Speaker 1: even not the highest, but like up there near the top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I'm eating so poorly that I
Speaker 2: am becoming dumber. I honestly think that that's true. I
Speaker 2: think I think you can eat yourself dumb, and I
Speaker 2: think that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Literally just slammed my head into the picture behind me, laughing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other day was like, don't you remember yesterday when
Speaker 2: you were like blah blah blah and we went here
Speaker 2: and we did this, and I was like, what are
Speaker 2: you talking about? And then that made me be like,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know that I can have chips
Speaker 2: for every meal. Yeah, I should probably get after some
Speaker 2: vegetables a little bit, yeah, a little bit more. It's
Speaker 2: all self care. Yeah, okay, got to get after it.
Speaker 1: Well, if you need an accountability buddy.
Speaker 2: Oh right here, that's a lot of work.
Speaker 1: Did I eat so our creamin onion ruffles for breakfast? Yes?
Speaker 2: I did? Okay, all right, okay, we could use it.
Speaker 1: But I've admitted it, and I've told you the truth,
Speaker 1: and I've told everyone listening the truth. So I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do it again.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow, Sophia Amber, are you being truthful?
Speaker 1: I think so. I'm gonna try my best. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: text you a picture of whatever I have for breakfast tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 2: If it's chips, you're gonna get it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be in trouble, you're gonna be friends at home.
Speaker 1: If you have self care tips, this might be the
Speaker 1: moment to DM them to the podcast so we can
Speaker 1: do a follow up in six months and talk about this.
Speaker 2: Bring it, help me shoot, give us.
Speaker 1: Your tips and tricks. I bet you, I bet you.
Speaker 1: There's some smarties listening to this show who are like, oh, girl,
Speaker 1: I have breakfast on lock and I would like to
Speaker 1: have it on lock. So please tell us.
Speaker 2: What you know, send a message, save a life.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and we'll all get smarter watching Amber's quiz show. Yay,
Speaker 1: thank you for to day, my dear, this was really fun.