1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 2 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to another episode of The Odd Laws podcast. 3 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: I'm Jill Wisenthal and. 4 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 3: I'm Tracy Alloway. 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: Tracy, we have a mayoral election coming up here in 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: New York City, very exciting. I think when this comes out, 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: it'll be literally tomorrow. We're recording this October twenty eighth. 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: No one knows for sure what's going to happen, but 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: I think it'll be like the day after this episode 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 2: comes out. 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely and obviously a very heated mayoral election, I think 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 3: one that's kind of taking national attention as well, which 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 3: you know, New York is always important, but maybe maybe 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: it's important. 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: It's always very important to the media. That's definitely the case. 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: But you know what, I think there's obvious reasons why 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: there's a lot of national interest. Besides the fact that 18 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: as reporters we like to report on our hometown. A 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: lot of cities are dealing with the same challenges that 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: New York is. New York City is a very expensive 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: city to live in. There are a lot of cities 22 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: that are very expensive, particularly any city that is some 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: sort of economic dynamism. Right now, New York City has 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: a number of quality of life issues that frustrate voters. 25 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: Whether it's a crime which has come down with a lot, 26 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: but you know, safety on public transportation, homelessness, et cetera, 27 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: public drug use, which in my opinion, has gotten a 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: lot better over the last few years, but it was 29 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: very prevalent. I saw a lot in the parks in 30 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: twenty one twenty two. These are not, by no means 31 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: these issues that are sort of New York oh, dealing 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: with the Trump administration and the detentions they're in. These 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: are not New York City specific issues at all. 34 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: No. 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: And it's funny as we sat down to record this 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: particular episode. Right when we sat down, I got an 37 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: email the data behind Chicago's city wide housing shortage. 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: Chicago's another one. 39 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, there are so many commonalities between 40 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 3: these cities. It's definitely worth comparing and contrasting. One thing 41 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: I got to ask, just for the New York collection, 42 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: are you still a single issue voter on rats? 43 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: Well, if I were my candidate, would no longer. I know, 44 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: I have to find a number two issue. 45 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 4: I'll do. 46 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: I'll start to do some research over the weekend. Good 47 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: idea anyway you know when obviously one of the cities. 48 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: I've always been more a southern California guy. But I'm 49 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: really coming around on San Francisco. We were there last November. 50 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: We had a great time. I loved using the waimos. 51 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: It's a stunning city. And it's not just the Bay Area. 52 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: It's San Francisco specific that is the beating heart of 53 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: the AI boom right now, so the most important industry 54 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: in the world is there. It's truly a lovely city. However, 55 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: has many of the same quality of life and affordability 56 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: questions that we face anywhere else. In fact, maybe and 57 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: some would say, for at least a time, arguably worse. 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I remember from visiting. It also has 59 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: some very very beautiful neighborhood with historic buildings, very very 60 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 3: cute neighborhoods in many respects, and so you can imagine 61 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: that efforts to boost housing affordability immediately run into that 62 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 3: whole neighborhood vibe. 63 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: A few years ago, I was visiting a friend and 64 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: I said, I love this neighborhood. I love where you lived, 65 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: and he's like a Gimbi's like, Joe, You're not supposed 66 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 2: to say that this is the neighborhood. He's a renter though, 67 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: so of course he doesn't mind if his house gets 68 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: torn down for new buildings. Anyway, we really do have 69 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: the perfect guest to talk about big city governance, all 70 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: of these things. We are going to be speaking with 71 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: literally the perfect guest, Daniel Lurry. He is the new 72 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: mayor of San Francisco Or. He came into office earlier 73 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: this year, so he's been in an office less than 74 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: a year. So Mayor Luriy, thank you so much for 75 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: coming on the Odd Lots podcast. 76 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 5: Joe Tracy, it's good to be with you. I feel 77 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 5: like you were selling our city better than I could. 78 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 5: So you two could just keep going. And Joe your 79 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 5: love of Southern California. Yeah, we'll get you. We'll get 80 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 5: you going on northern California in San Francisco by the 81 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 5: end of this podcast. 82 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: Okay, well that's a good goal for you. Could could 83 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: fully flip me over to be Northern California pill. No, 84 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: I really, I really, I did love it. You know, 85 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: there's so many different angles that we could start with. 86 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 2: People have talked about the homelessness challenge in San Francisco 87 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: for a long time, setting aside solving it, whatever that means. 88 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: What is it about San Francisco that, in your view, 89 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 2: has made the What are the underlying conditions that the 90 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: city has faced for a long time such that it 91 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: has been a fairly acute problem facing the city. How 92 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: should we understand the causes of it? 93 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's been going on for three or 94 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 5: four decades now. I think we have not built enough housing, 95 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 5: not only here in the city but across the state. 96 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 5: So it really is a regional and a state issue. 97 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 5: I would argue right now, it's not just a homelessness crisis. 98 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 5: It's a fentanyl crisis. We have a real crisis on 99 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 5: our streets. I go up and talk to people that 100 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 5: are suffering on our streets every single day, most mornings, 101 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 5: I spend forty five minutes to an hour talking to people, 102 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 5: trying to get people off the street and into shelter, 103 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 5: into treatment, into the right kind of beds. We kind 104 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 5: of had to live and let live attitude for a 105 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 5: while in this city, and that has changed. We have 106 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 5: changed that attitude over the last year. We want to 107 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 5: get people off the street and into help. But of 108 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 5: course it is an affordability issue statewide, and we need 109 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 5: to build more housing statewide. We're in the midst right 110 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 5: now of getting a family zoning plan, a new map 111 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 5: passed here because the state has mandated that of all 112 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 5: counties in the state, and San Francisco is going to 113 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 5: do its part, and we need more housing. 114 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: Definitely want to talk about the family zoning project, for sure, 115 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 3: but just on the homeless issue. I guess one area 116 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 3: of commonality between New York and San Francisco is you 117 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 3: do have this debate over mental health, and I guess 118 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: how to balance compassionate outreach with stricter enforcement or stricter policing. 119 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: What are you doing on that front when you say 120 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: you need to get people help, what's actually happening? 121 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? 122 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 5: First off, I don't believe it's compassionate to allow someone 123 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 5: to be passed out on the sidewalk. I don't believe 124 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 5: we should allow people to smoke ventanyl in our bus stops. 125 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 5: We have to put an end to that, and we 126 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 5: have to then get people into the right kind of bed, 127 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 5: the right kind of treatment. For example, we opened up 128 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 5: a sixteen bed center at a place called a twenty 129 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 5: two gear. It is a place that someone can walk in. 130 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 5: It is voluntary it's police friendly, it's fire friendly. So 131 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 5: they can bring somebody in, they can stay for twenty 132 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 5: four hours, they can get onto medication, they can take 133 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 5: a moment to relax, and we have staff there then 134 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 5: then gets them out to the right recovery bed, to 135 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 5: the right treatment bed, of which we have stood up 136 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 5: four hundred new beds just this year alone. That are 137 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 5: you know, ninety day, six month treatment programs. That's what 138 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 5: we need to do. What we were doing as a 139 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 5: city before was we were just building lots of permanent 140 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 5: supportive housing, which I believe in. But if you are 141 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 5: struggling with a fentanyl addiction and you are put into 142 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 5: housing without services, without support, it is. 143 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 4: Not a good fit. 144 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 5: And we have really come to understand that in a 145 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 5: really important way this year, and so we are doing 146 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 5: a much better job of getting people off the street 147 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 5: into a short term care and then into long term care. 148 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 5: But we have a long way to go. But that 149 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 5: a twenty two Gary twenty four hours is an example 150 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 5: of a new approach. One other thing that we've done 151 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 5: since I came into office. In the first month, we 152 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 5: readjusted how we do neighborhood outreach or a street outreach 153 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 5: we had seven different apartments prior to us ME coming 154 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 5: into office. Now those seven different departments are put together 155 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 5: in what we call a team of teams. 156 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 4: They meet each. 157 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 5: Morning as those seven departments in one mission outreach team, 158 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 5: one tenderloin outreach team. They go out together. They know 159 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 5: who their target population is, they know the names of 160 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 5: the people, and they try to get them off the 161 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 5: street and into those right kind of bets. 162 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: You know, there was an incident in New York City recently. 163 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: I probably should have looked up the details a little 164 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: bit more, but I think there was some sort of 165 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 2: an influencer took some photos of people selling knockoff bags 166 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: on Canal Street, which they've been doing, which they've been 167 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: which they've been doing for decades. And then I think 168 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: ICE came in and I was actually on Canal Street 169 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 2: two nights ago, they were back, et cetera. So whatever 170 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: they supposedly saw looks like it was just for the 171 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 2: cameras for one day. But there is this argument that 172 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 2: I've heard which is like, you know what, if you 173 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: don't want ICE to come in and quote clean up 174 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: your streets, you should have done it yourself. And I 175 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: don't really have a strong opinion on like the optimal 176 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: level of enforcement or the optimal level of like how 177 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: extreme you want to get to enforce certain quality of 178 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: life things. But I have some sympathy for this view 179 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 2: that like, well, you know, there's all this sort of 180 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 2: public disorder, et cetera. And where were the politicians prior 181 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: to the Trump administration taking some of these things seriously? 182 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: Do you think it's fair to say that the Democratic 183 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: Party in a number of big cities have not taken 184 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: what people call quality of life seriously enough in the past. 185 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 5: I'm not going to speak for the Democratic Party. I'm 186 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 5: I was never in politics. I ran because of the 187 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 5: disorder on the streets of San Francisco. I ran. My 188 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 5: number one issue is public safety. My number two issue 189 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 5: was the behavioral health crisis that we were just talking about. 190 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 5: And my number three issue was I want to tell 191 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 5: the world and let them know that San Francisco's open 192 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 5: for business. We're getting cut the dow Red tape so 193 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 5: our small businesses can flourish. And so I've been saying 194 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 5: the same thing for about two and a half years now, 195 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 5: from the time I ran to right now on this 196 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 5: great podcast, I'm going. 197 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 4: To say we need, thank you. 198 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 5: We need police officers walking the beat along commercial corridors. 199 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 5: Our families that are taking their kids to public school 200 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 5: and using MUNI deserve IMMUNI stop that is free of 201 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 5: people using drugs. It's unacceptable and it was two and 202 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 5: a half years ago for me. It's unacceptable to me. 203 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 5: So local law enforcement can do the job. We are 204 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 5: short a number of officers. We have the first net 205 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 5: increase in police and shares deputies in ten years, a 206 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 5: net increase for the first time in ten years, and 207 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 5: so we need to get back to full staffing and 208 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 5: we can handle it. 209 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: So just real quick follow up, Like I agree, I 210 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: would like to have public transportation stops everywhere where there's 211 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: not public drug use, public drugs for sale, etc. Where 212 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: do you encounter the opposition to that? Like, what have 213 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: you discovered about where the roadblocks are, because again seems 214 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: really sensible that you shouldn't be using drugs in public, 215 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 2: and so where's the opposition? Oh? 216 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 5: Well, I you know, it's funny, I disagree with that. 217 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 5: There are people and I talk to them every day. 218 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 5: I dropped my kid off, my son off in the mission, 219 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 5: and I walked the streets from the mission to Hayes 220 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 5: Valley most mornings and there's a bike route and there 221 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 5: was four people, four of whom were either in the 222 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 5: midst of using drugs or had used drugs, and I 223 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 5: was telling them they needed to move, and they we 224 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 5: would give them help, we would give them offer of support. 225 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 5: And someone came by, literally in the bike lane, and 226 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 5: someone stopped and said, what are you doing? They live here, 227 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 5: And I said, this is a bike lane that parents 228 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,599 Speaker 5: are taking their kids to school on the back of 229 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 5: their bikes. They're walking their kids to school. So there 230 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 5: is opposition, but I would also tell you that the 231 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 5: vast majority of San Francisco and want public safety. They 232 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 5: want clean streets, they want safe sidewalks, and we are 233 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 5: delivering on that. Crime is down thirty percent in our 234 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 5: city crime and Union Square, our financial district, because of 235 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 5: the staffing increase that we put together through something we 236 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 5: call the Hospitality Zone Task Force for Union Square, Moscone 237 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 5: 're Babuena, which is our downtown hub. Crime is down 238 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 5: forty percent. Violent crime in our city. We haven't seen 239 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 5: these type of rates since the nineteen fifties. So what 240 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 5: we are doing is working, and the vast majority of 241 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 5: people are very excited. This's the first time in a 242 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 5: very long time that San Franciscan's the majority of them 243 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 5: feel like our city's heading in the right direction, and 244 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 5: we are a city on the rise and it's a 245 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 5: great time to be here. 246 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: Well, tell us more about what exactly you're doing. And 247 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 3: one thing I'm very curious about is I guess the 248 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: division of labor or division of responsibility between the mayor's 249 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: office or the police force and things like that. 250 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 5: Well, I think the police officers have a responsibility obviously 251 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 5: to keep safety, and our District Attorney has done a 252 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 5: great job prosecuting and really going after these fentanyl dealers. 253 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 5: So you know, I mean, I think your audience you 254 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 5: all told me before coming on, is the. 255 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 4: Smartest audience there is. 256 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: That's right. 257 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 4: So I don't think I need to explain the difference. 258 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 3: Always say you're the smartest out there. 259 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 5: But you know, listen, our SFPD, they're incredible. They are 260 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 5: driving crime down. We have a great partnership with our DA, 261 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 5: with our city attorney, with our sheriffs. Our park rangers 262 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 5: are doing a great job in our parks as well. 263 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 5: It's a team effort and we are united in making 264 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 5: sure that everyone here in San Francisco knows. Every visitor 265 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 5: to San Francisco knows, every convention goer knows that public 266 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 5: safety is our number one priority. We pulled off the 267 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 5: NBA All Star Game. We had the Chinese New Year 268 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 5: Parade on the same weekend. It went off without a hitch. 269 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 5: We just had a conference with fifty thousand and people 270 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 5: last week in San Francisco. We had a demonstration on 271 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 5: a Saturday with fifty thousand people marching, zero arrests. We 272 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 5: know how to keep people safe, and we're proving it. 273 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: You mentioned that you know you want to be a 274 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: dynamic place for business. We're also talking about homelessness. Should 275 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: San Francisco keep prop sees? So I understand that on 276 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: big companies with over revenue of over fifty million dollars, 277 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: that there's this tiny gross revenue tax. Some speculate that 278 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: was not confirmed. I don't know if they've said it, 279 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: that that is one reason that Stripe does not have 280 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: its headquarters in San Francisco. Should that be revisited so 281 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: as to bring more corporate activity into the city itself. 282 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 5: What I've always said is that we need to be 283 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 5: compactitive on the tax front. We're out of whack with 284 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 5: San Jose and Santa Clara County. So actually every candidate 285 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 5: for mayor last year supported what was called Prop M, 286 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 5: which kind of realigned our tax structure, got it more competitive. 287 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 5: That was an important step for our city. I think 288 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 5: it's signaled to everybody that we were serious about being 289 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 5: in the ball bark. I think we probably still have 290 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 5: more work to do. The thing that I think companies 291 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 5: really look at is the quality of life, and they 292 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 5: look at the street conditions, they look at public safety. 293 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 5: I think that is without question the most important thing, 294 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 5: and they are seeing that they have a mayor that 295 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 5: is delivering on that front that I am focused on 296 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 5: creating the conditions so that they can succeed. That's our mantra. 297 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 5: We want to create the conditions so that small businesses 298 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 5: can succeed and that big business is welcome back here. 299 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 5: What I always say, though you two, is I want 300 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 5: these companies to be part of the community. Though like 301 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 5: I want them invest in our public transit, I want 302 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 5: them investing in our public schools. I want them investing 303 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 5: in our arts and cultural institutions. I would say for 304 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 5: a long time, and I ran Tipping Point Community, which 305 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 5: is similar to robin Hood and New York City. Tipping 306 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 5: Point was always focused on bringing individuals and companies to 307 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 5: help support those that were living in povery, those around 308 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 5: job training and housing. But we need to see more. 309 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 5: We need to see more out of our business community. 310 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 5: We're going to do our part at the administration to 311 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 5: create the conditions for their success, but I need them 312 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 5: to help us make sure that San Francisco regains its 313 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 5: status as the greatest city in the world. We're not 314 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 5: far off. We're closer than most people think. We are 315 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 5: the most beautiful city in the world right now, and 316 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 5: we are soon going to be the greatest city in 317 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 5: the world. 318 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 4: Again, I was going to. 319 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 3: Say New York might take an issue with the greatest city. 320 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: In the world. 321 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 4: I know who I'm talking to, Okay, since. 322 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: We are talking about companies, one of the reasons we 323 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 3: wanted to talk to you is, as Joe mentioned in 324 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 3: the intro, San Francisco obviously a massive tech hub, and 325 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 3: what we're seeing at the moment in markets and the economy. 326 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 3: It's kind of weird because AI related stocks keep going up. 327 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: Everyone's very excited, but on the other hand, you have 328 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 3: a lot of layoffs happening in the tech industry, So 329 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 3: I think more than one hundred thousand job cuts at 330 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: places like Microsoft and Meta. When you look at San 331 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 3: Francisco's labor market right now or overall economy, what are 332 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 3: you seeing. Is there a net benefit from AI or 333 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 3: are you seeing increased unemployment? No? 334 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 5: I mean right now we're seeing absolutely We're seeing people 335 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 5: from Texas and New York and other parts of the 336 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 5: globe buying buildings in San Francisco, betting on real estate, 337 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 5: understanding that it's not just about AI though, it's really 338 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 5: about the ecosystem that is growing up around a company 339 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 5: like Open AI or Anthropic or data bricks. These are 340 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 5: enabling companies and startups and entrepreneurs in the healthcare space 341 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 5: and others like It is booming in that respect. 342 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 4: But I also want to. 343 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 5: Create the conditions so that we have a durable trajectory, 344 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 5: not one that is just reliant on just tech or 345 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 5: on AI. But because you know, we did that in 346 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 5: the twenty tents, we were so solely focused just on tech, 347 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 5: and I think what you're seeing here is that we 348 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 5: are seeing up broad based recovery, arts and culture. We're 349 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 5: seeing new restaurants, We're seeing healthcare really take off also, 350 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 5: and so we wanted to be durable, We wanted to 351 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 5: be broad. But there's no question that AI is driving 352 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 5: and is a major force, and it's a force for 353 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 5: good in terms of jobs. 354 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 2: You know, you can deal with all these CEOs of 355 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: startups and they go on Twitter and they yap and 356 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: they threaten to move to Austin, or they threatened to 357 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: move to Miami, et cetera. I think a bunch of 358 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: them moved back, but they said they're saying the same 359 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: thing here. Some of them are like, oh, I'm gonna 360 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 2: you know, moved to Nashville or whatever, so and so 361 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: get selected. What should the next mayor of New York 362 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: City know about having a productive relationship with a significant 363 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: part of the tax base. 364 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 5: Well, I would say to any next mayor of any city, 365 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 5: don't listen to me, don't listen to I'm ten months in. 366 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 5: I am solely focused on San Francisco. I get asked 367 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 5: a lot of questions, But you must have. 368 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: Learned something, That's what I'm saying. 369 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 3: I'm asking you're asking him to advise his competitors. 370 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 2: But you've learned stuff right in the ten months or whatever, 371 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: nine months since you've been on the job, what have 372 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: you learned about, Yeah, interacting with very powerful, wealthy interests. 373 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 5: Well, listen. I think what I've learned throughout my career 374 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 5: is that you have to have an open door. You 375 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 5: have to have conversations with people. Most importantly, you have 376 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 5: to listen to people, whether you know you're trying to 377 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 5: get family zoning. Our housing plan passed, and I'm in 378 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 5: neighborhoods that you all were describing before who are like, 379 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 5: I'm worried and I'm scared, and there are a lot 380 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 5: of people fearful about new housing. And you have to 381 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 5: go listen, and you have to work with them, and 382 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 5: you have to invest. And I think the same goes 383 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 5: with our immigrant community, goes with our arts and culture communities, 384 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 5: It goes with our restaurant tours, who I sit down 385 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 5: and meet with and listen to the struggles that they 386 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 5: have with their power bills going up thirty forty percent 387 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 5: over the last two years. I pride myself on listening 388 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 5: to people, working with people, and then getting to the 389 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 5: right solution that's going to benefit as many San Franciscans 390 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 5: as possible. 391 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 3: So on zoning, since it keeps coming up One thing 392 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 3: you hear a lot, especially in the case of San Francisco, 393 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 3: is that the housing shortage is mostly about restrictive zoning 394 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 3: and regulation and things like that. Is that it how 395 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: restrictive is the regulation and are there other factors I 396 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 3: suppose that are playing into this. 397 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 398 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 5: I mean, listen, it's been restrictive, but the state has 399 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 5: loosened those restricts is quite a bit. We are doing 400 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 5: everything we can to make it easier to build more 401 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 5: affordable housing. I went to three ribbon cuttings last week, 402 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 5: three different sites for one hundred percent affordable in different 403 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 5: parts of the city. The cost of labor is really high, 404 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 5: the cost of goods is really high. So it is 405 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 5: not just about our zoning plan. It involves a lot 406 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 5: of other issues as well, and so I'm very hopeful 407 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 5: that we pass this family zoning plan. But it does 408 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 5: not mean the next day that building will start. It 409 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 5: is we need to see, you know, interest rates are 410 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 5: likely to come down. That's going to be important. We 411 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 5: have to work with our friends and labor to make 412 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 5: sure that the cost of labor does not continue to 413 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 5: be something that makes it so that we don't have 414 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 5: people working and building. 415 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: Specific what do you just give us the quick synopsis 416 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: of if this passes, what will change from now to 417 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 2: after your family the family zoning proposal? 418 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's just going to make it easier. 419 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 5: We have lots of amendments still to be worked on, 420 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 5: to be quite honest. That's going to protect rent controlled 421 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 5: units of three or more that are in a building. 422 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 5: It is going to allow for more housing to get 423 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 5: built more quickly, so you won't have to go through 424 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 5: as much of a process. But once again, I don't 425 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 5: think you're going to see of a huge difference during 426 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 5: let's say my first term. We have to see those 427 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 5: other factors play into it as well. But I really 428 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 5: think it's going to allow the children that are growing 429 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 5: up in our city to really dream that they can 430 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 5: stay in San Francisco. We had an independent analysis that 431 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 5: said it's going to drop rents by between eight hundred 432 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 5: and fifteen hundred dollars a month. That's a huge difference 433 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 5: for people. So we are very hopeful that it allows 434 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 5: our city to become more affordable. There's a pushback often 435 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 5: from people that say this plan will make it unaffordable. 436 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 5: I say, this city is really unaffordable right now. People 437 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 5: say this is going to hurt small businesses. I say 438 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 5: it's going to provide more customers. What we're going to 439 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 5: see with this plan is more density along commercial corridors 440 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 5: and along transit lines. That is where the bulk of 441 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 5: the height will go up. It'll go up to six 442 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 5: to eight stories along commercial corridors. And what I've told everybody, 443 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 5: in residential neighborhoods, we have basically four stories everywhere seventy 444 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 5: seven percent of our plan, there are no height increases. 445 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 5: We're really protecting our residential neighborhoods, our jewels that you 446 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 5: were talking about before. And it's going to also help 447 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 5: us prevent our Ocean Beach from becoming Miami Beach, which 448 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 5: is a real fear that people have, and I understand it, 449 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 5: and I don't want that. I want our sunset and 450 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 5: enrichment neighborhoods to retain their unique character. 451 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: You know, Joe, I have yet to experience a rent 452 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 3: decrease in New York ever in my life. Well I 453 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 3: heard some people got them in twenty twenty, right, but 454 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 3: I wasn't here. So that's a novelty seeing rents go 455 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 3: down in a major city. If it happens so What 456 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 3: have your conversations actually been like with developers, What are 457 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 3: they saying their needs actually are in fulfilling some of 458 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 3: this project. 459 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 5: To be quite honest, I haven't had that many conversations 460 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 5: with developers, and when I have, it's really around interest rates, 461 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 5: the cost of labor, the cost of construction. I've had 462 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 5: a lot more conversations with people out in the West 463 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 5: Side and the North Side, which is predominantly where this 464 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 5: family zoning plan is focused, because we are building in 465 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 5: other parts of the city and the state is mandating 466 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 5: in high resourced neighborhoods, and so you know, we haven't 467 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 5: had a zoning change on the West Side of San 468 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 5: Francisco since the nineteen seventies. That's important for people to know. 469 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 5: So I'm really speaking to people that are understandably anxious, fearful, 470 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 5: and really trying to explain to them that we have 471 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 5: really listened to them over this past year. Really making 472 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 5: sure that height increases you won't see many of those, 473 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 5: but allowing people, if they own a home, to divide 474 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 5: into two units so that their kids could stay there 475 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 5: long term. This plan meets the requirements of the state, 476 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 5: and I think it's a really thoughtful well laid out plan. 477 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: A lot of Democratic Party politicians. We're opposing Trump's agenda, 478 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 2: whatever that means, opposing Trump's agenda, protecting the city or 479 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: the state against Trump's agenda. You mentioned immigrants. Do you 480 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: feel that you have a responsibility to protect San Francisco's 481 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 2: undocumented residents against Trump's agenda? Is that a useful thing. 482 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 5: I have a responsibility to take care of San Francisco's 483 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 5: and everybody here in San Francisco. I have a responsibility 484 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 5: to protect people coming in for a convention. I have 485 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 5: responsibility to take care of our communities, and so I 486 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 5: don't think about it in the micro term. But we 487 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 5: have our policies in place here in San Francisco that 488 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 5: have kept us safe. They've kept us safe for decades. 489 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 5: When you have the policies that we have in place 490 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 5: that make sure that local law enforcement are not tasked 491 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 5: with federal immigration enforcement, that allows people to report crime, 492 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 5: that allows people to take their kits to the hospital, 493 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 5: It allows people, It allows our city to stay safe. 494 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 5: And the numbers are bearing it out, and I just 495 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 5: keep reiterating that my focus is on keeping San Francisco 496 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 5: safe and it's working. We have the lowest homicide rate 497 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 5: on record in terms of we haven't seen these numbers 498 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 5: since the nineteen fifties. Crime in our downtown is down 499 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 5: forty percent. Crime citywide is down thirty percent. So what 500 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 5: we are doing is protecting the people of San Francisco. 501 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 5: We're protecting our visitors and businesses. Everyone is seeing that 502 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 5: it is working. And so that's how I answer that question. 503 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 3: What advice do you have for the incoming New York 504 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 3: City mayor whoever it may be. 505 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 5: But that's the second time you got you two have 506 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 5: asked me that question. 507 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 3: Not on tax though, not on tax something cooperative. 508 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 5: I think you know. Listen, I've talked to mayors across 509 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 5: this country, and many of us have discussed that staying 510 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 5: focused on your people, staying focused on your small businesses, 511 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 5: focused on your public schools is the way to go. 512 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 5: But once again, I don't think other people in other 513 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 5: cities should be taking my advice. I think they should 514 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 5: be doing what works for them. I'm doing what I 515 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 5: believe works best for San Francisco, and right now I 516 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 5: am feeling like and I think the vast majority of 517 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 5: San Francisco's are feeling like we're heading in the right direction, 518 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 5: and I'm just going to keep my head down and 519 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 5: keep driving and getting results for the people of San Francisco. 520 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: I'd love to end it on a very big picture, 521 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: nice note about your results. I'm sure you'd like to 522 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 2: end it there too, But I have one last question 523 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 2: that's a little bit more specific. Significant chunk of San 524 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 2: Francisco's budget operates through nonprofits, and I think there's a 525 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 2: significant amount New York and other cities as well. How 526 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: do taxpayers know that that money is being well spent? 527 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: Is How do we know that that is a good 528 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 2: allocation these sort of private enterprises that do services, whether 529 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 2: it's really to housing, whether it's related to homelessness. How 530 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 2: do you establish accountability such that we know that these 531 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: are good allocations. 532 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think people should want answers on that front, 533 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 5: and we are working on it. So I came into 534 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 5: office in January. We had an eight hundred and seventy 535 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 5: million dollar budget deficit, the largest budget deficit in our 536 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 5: city's history. We close that with a mix of many things, 537 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 5: including a hiring freeze that we put into place immediately. 538 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 5: We cut twenty five percent of the discretionary funding that 539 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 5: was available to cut to nonprofits, which was incredibly difficult. 540 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 5: We are putting in metrics. This is what we prided 541 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 5: ourselves on at Tipping Point was whold organizations accountable, getting results, 542 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 5: and so we are working on that now. So I 543 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 5: came in in January. The budget was due in June, 544 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 5: so we had it was a sprints essentially, most administrations 545 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 5: wait until January to start planning. We put our budget 546 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 5: before the Board of Supervisors in late June. It got 547 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 5: passed on August first. August second. We were planning for 548 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 5: this upcoming budget and we are playing accountability measures into 549 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 5: place on our contracts to nonprofits. But one thing I 550 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 5: would say is that the nonprofits need to be held accountable, 551 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 5: but so do my departments. I have some departments that 552 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 5: don't pay those nonprofit providers for twelve months. We have 553 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 5: small nonprofits floating city government that has a sixteen billion 554 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 5: dollar budget. We are floating them money. So we need 555 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 5: to hold everyone accountable, and it starts with me. We 556 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 5: have a tremendous budget in San Francis. We all know 557 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 5: that it has not been spent as well as it 558 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 5: could be. I was frustrated by that. For years working 559 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 5: at Tipping Point, I saw it up close and now 560 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 5: I want everybody to hold me accountable in the years ahead. 561 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 5: But we're going to put metrics in place. We're going 562 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 5: to hold nonprofits accountable, and I'm going to hold my 563 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 5: department heads accountable as well. 564 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: Mayor Lurie, thank you so much for coming on od Laws. 565 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 2: Hope to chat with you again at some point. 566 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 5: Thank you very much. And just so you two know, 567 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 5: we end everything in San Francisco, because we're on the rise. 568 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 5: We gotta just share our how great San Francisco is 569 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 5: going with a let's go San Francisco. 570 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: Okay, I love it. It is a great city. I 571 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 2: still it's the climate part of the southern California that 572 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: for me, I can't you know. It's still my favorite. 573 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 5: But it's seventy five degrees outside right here, right now. 574 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 5: It is a gorgeous day here outside your studios along 575 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 5: our near our ferry building. 576 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 3: Definitely better than New York right now. 577 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go. That's what I'm talking about. Thank you 578 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 4: so much for having you, Tracy. 579 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 2: I would like to believe that with many of the 580 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: sort of you know, challenges I guess that big city 581 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: is faced, I would like to believe it's just a 582 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 2: matter of will you know what I'm saying, I would 583 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 2: like to believe that all it takes is someone saying, 584 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: you know what, we're going to be accountable. We're committed 585 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: to addressing these things, whether it's homelessness, whether it's crime, 586 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: whether it's public drug use, et cetera. It would be 587 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: nice if the issues just resolved, like wanting to do it, 588 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, I'm not sure. Like the 589 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: way it sounds, you know, talking to Mayor Lurie, it 590 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: sounds like one of the big changes, like oh, as 591 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 2: he put it, we used to have a live and 592 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: let live attitude and now that's not the case. I 593 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 2: would like to believe that that really is the difference. 594 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 2: That is just like an attitude change. 595 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 3: I feel like there's a butt coming. But you would 596 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: like to believe. 597 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: But no, it's just like if it's that simple of 598 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: an attitude change, then a lot of these things could 599 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: be solved. I guess my butt is no. No, But 600 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: I just like I'm not sure if that's the case, 601 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 2: Like that's I guess right. But he certainly presents a 602 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 2: compelling argument. I mean, I think like crime is down 603 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: in a lot of cities there. We know that it's 604 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: spiked in twenty one, twenty twenty two at the whole chaos, 605 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: post pandemic, etcetera. It's been coming down everywhere. I think 606 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 2: there are a lot of mayors that can point to 607 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 2: a decline. 608 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 4: So what I'm. 609 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 2: Saying is I would like to believe that the decline 610 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: in crime in San Francisco can be pointed. It's like, oh, 611 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: we have a mayor who now decided to tackle these 612 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: things as opposed to just sort of general trends. 613 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 4: Does that make sense? 614 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 3: That makes sense. One thing I will say that I 615 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 3: found very interesting was, you know, he talked about that 616 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 3: ecosystem of tech companies. Yeah, and it kind of reminded 617 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 3: me of some of the conversations we've had about tech 618 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 3: development or even manufacturing development in China and the idea 619 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 3: that you know, you can have a competitive advantage because 620 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 3: you know that when you move to a certain place, 621 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: you're going to find like an engineer around the corner, 622 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 3: you're going to find that particular programmer. So it was 623 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 3: interesting to hear that sort of echoed in San Francisco. 624 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 2: It's interesting that there's a lot to do. I mean, 625 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 2: it's interesting that we used to talk more about the 626 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: Bay Area in general, like oh, yeah, you know, and 627 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 2: now it's really becoming a San Francisco story. And a 628 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: lot of these AI companies, you know, you don't hear 629 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: about like one of those random Mountain Sunny Veil or 630 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 2: mount what's the one that Cooper Tino, et cetera. All these, 631 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 2: you know, like all of the And that's its own 632 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 2: fascinating thing, which is that AI does not strike me 633 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 2: as a bay Area story. We don't have had time 634 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 2: to get into this, but AI does not strike me 635 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 2: as a Bay Area story so much is it. It's 636 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 2: a San Francisco story. These are San Francisco companies and 637 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 2: they're not just like somewhere like down the peninsula or whatever. 638 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 3: It's funny now that you mentioned that, I'm thinking like 639 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 3: bay Area seriously, a term I have not heard for 640 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 3: a very long time. 641 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? 642 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 643 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 2: The Bay Area is, or even Silicon Valley. Yeah, is 644 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 2: like it's really about San Francisco, which I think is 645 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 2: sort of an interesting phenomenal And I don't really know why, because. 646 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 3: It's interesting phenomenon. 647 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 2: Interesting phenomenon. It's an interesting phenomenon because when it comes 648 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 2: to hard tech. When it comes to manufacturing, I have 649 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 2: a very intuitive understanding of why agglomeration matters. Right, you 650 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: want to be able to get this provider, and distance 651 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 2: really matters. It's not intuitive to me in the same way, 652 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 2: why with something like any software, let alone AI, that 653 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 2: there would be such a tight cluster. And yet it 654 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 2: does seem to be a very tight cluster there. 655 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 3: Well, there seems to be a network effects yea, some sorts. 656 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 2: I totally know why that is, in the same way 657 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 2: the network effects exists with say manufacturer, because we remember 658 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty work from homework from anywhere, Slack exists, ib exists, 659 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 2: et cetera, and yet everyone's together there. We didn't get 660 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 2: too much into this, but I do think that's an 661 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 2: interesting reason to be interested in San Francisco right now? 662 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 3: For sure? Shall we leave it there? 663 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 2: Let's leave it there. 664 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 3: This has been another episode of the Odd Lots podcast. 665 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 3: I'm Tracy Alloway. You can follow me at Tracy Alloway. 666 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 2: And I'm Jill Wisenthal. You can follow me at the Stalwart. 667 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 2: Follow our guest, San Francisco Mayor Daniel Luriy. He's at 668 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 2: Daniel Lurry. 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