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Speaker 1: eat the air everywhere, even while on furlough, coast to coast,

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Speaker 1: Fifth Hour with myself and for better or worse, David

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Speaker 1: Gaston Gascon because four hours not enough of the overnight,

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Speaker 1: and we do this eight days a week, although not

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Speaker 1: this week because of some furlough time. Gascon. I right

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Speaker 1: now I'm actually laying in a hammock having a drink

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Speaker 1: the people. Gascon. That's why. Yeah, it's It's great kind

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Speaker 1: How long did the medical procedure take? Well, it's a

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Speaker 1: Now where ben you know this. You don't get billed

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Speaker 1: well we're getting carried away here. This is a Conversation podcast.

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Speaker 1: I know you're trying to make it all about you,

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Speaker 1: right now, before we tell you who's on today, should

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Speaker 1: already know that by looking at the podcast itself. But

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Speaker 1: cameo dot com, cameo dot com. You want a personalized

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Speaker 1: two issues are the civil rights issues of the future,

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Speaker 1: especially education. I'm gonna be on this program right now.

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Speaker 1: You guys would not have any interest in interviewing Leo

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Speaker 1: Trrell if I didn't have the educational background the ability

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Speaker 1: to articulate the views that I am expressing on this show.

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Speaker 1: And that's because of education and my background and my experience.

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Speaker 1: Black kids, brown kids needs the opportunity to to educate

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Speaker 1: themselves in an institution and a setting that allows the

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Speaker 1: the flourish. The current public school systems controlled by the

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Speaker 1: public teacher unions do not provide that environment. So on

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Speaker 1: that note to Leo, with with the way that this

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Speaker 1: pandemic has been shaping, you've got schools on the left

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Speaker 1: coast that are doing everything virtually. You've got schools in

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Speaker 1: the right coast that are are getting back to it.

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Speaker 1: In particular college football. You know, we've been chatting about

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Speaker 1: this with the a c C, the SCC, the Big

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Speaker 1: twelve gonna go back to work, but the Pac twelve

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Speaker 1: and the Big ten have have really pulled up the

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Speaker 1: reins and there's there's thought about the Big ten playing

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Speaker 1: in October. Maybe maybe not. But the PAC twelve like,

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Speaker 1: no dice at all. Is that strictly political? Like do

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Speaker 1: you think that's driven towards the president or you think

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Speaker 1: that's something else. Do you actually think they care about

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Speaker 1: the kids, And that's a tough question. No, they don't

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Speaker 1: care about the kids. And yes it's about the president.

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Speaker 1: Let me be clear. Let's talk about the Left Coast

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Speaker 1: Pack twelve, which represents three Blue Democrats at it states,

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Speaker 1: which contains within its powerful, powerful teacher union. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with just a public school. The teacher unions in California

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Speaker 1: so powerful they dictate the turn their loving online education.

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Speaker 1: They love getting a big fat pay check and they

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Speaker 1: don't have to do anything but you know, turn on

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Speaker 1: their computer and get that full government taxpayers check UH

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Speaker 1: from from home. They love this and and and the

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Speaker 1: political football of we're going to try to slow down

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Speaker 1: the economy, We're gonna try to do everything to undermine Trump,

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Speaker 1: even at the expense of hurting kids. And then you

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Speaker 1: take it to the university level, the UH canceling college sports,

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Speaker 1: the pact twalk a ridiculous, a ridiculous position without giving

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Speaker 1: it a chance, without coming up with some type of

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Speaker 1: combination to just say no and look at as we

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Speaker 1: speak on the day of this podcast, the pandemic, it's flattening. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Big twelve Ohio State, the high schools are playing football,

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Speaker 1: the kids are playing football, professional football. It is gonna

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Speaker 1: start in a couple of weeks. Back twelve, Big twelve,

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Speaker 1: they got a Big ten. They got mother the face

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Speaker 1: right now ridiculous and Leo Leo following up on that,

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Speaker 1: and David referenced this though at the time we're recording

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Speaker 1: this podcast, the President Trump, there's some media reports out

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Speaker 1: that he made a phone call to the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: Commissioner and they're they're trying to get the Big ten

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Speaker 1: started up. But with what you said about this being political,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned the Pack twelve specifically, but some of that's

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Speaker 1: going on with the college presidents in the Big ten country. Though,

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Speaker 1: what do you think the odds are that the Big

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Speaker 1: ten actually has in about face here and says hey,

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Speaker 1: let's play ball, let's play football in October? Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: say right now, yeah, I'm fully aware that the President

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Speaker 1: called the the Big Ten commissioner and say hey, please

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Speaker 1: reconsider this and there was some thought that they might

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Speaker 1: reconsider it. But look at the people in the in

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten area, their family members who are suing

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Speaker 1: the university and the conference for saying, hey, look, you

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Speaker 1: know this is wrong. This is absolutely wrong. And I

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Speaker 1: would hope that And I think the Big Ten and

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Speaker 1: the ratio with it with the PAC twelve is part

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Speaker 1: of the problem of the Big ten hand they went

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Speaker 1: along with the PAC twelve plan. I think it's horrible,

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Speaker 1: but I'm hoping that the Big ten reconsider this because again,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna look at the science. Dr Fauci Okay,

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Speaker 1: he has even stated, look, schools should open. Schools should

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Speaker 1: open and with the proper safety precaution and play sports.

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening right now. As at the time of

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Speaker 1: this podcast, we had our first college football game this

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Speaker 1: past Saturday. So I mean, cod this is political. And

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Speaker 1: again let's see, let's who's getting hurt. Kids, the economy,

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Speaker 1: A lot of Americans always the expense of trying to

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Speaker 1: regain the right house. No one can't tell me that

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Speaker 1: closing down sports, closing down this economy, closing down to schools,

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Speaker 1: no one can tell me it's not that it's not

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Speaker 1: motivated by the party out of power trying to get

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Speaker 1: back into power and kicking President Trump out. It's ridiculous. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And Leo following up with the education thing. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: it's obviously not necessarily sports for lady, but it is,

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Speaker 1: you know, high school football and things like that. Is

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Speaker 1: in the states where they're not allowing kids in school.

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Speaker 1: Is this gonna be the entire what's your gut telling

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Speaker 1: you the entire school year or after the election if

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Speaker 1: a certain party wins, are we gonna have kids back

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Speaker 1: in school? I guess what's the end game on this?

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Speaker 1: Well anything? Endgame is that? See? I think that I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna be clear, and I'm a I'm a public

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Speaker 1: i am a school teacher. I have a teaching license.

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Speaker 1: I'm a I was a school teacher before I became

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Speaker 1: a lawyer. I think you know, I'm looking at it

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Speaker 1: from the Democratic standpoint. The Democrats wanted the pandemic to

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Speaker 1: uh become such a problem to open up the school

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Speaker 1: they wanted. They wanted to shut the schools down up

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Speaker 1: until the day of the election, and then the day

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Speaker 1: after election they want to open them up. That's that's

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Speaker 1: the ideal Democratic plan because they wanted to make the

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Speaker 1: president look bad. But the problem with the Democrats and

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Speaker 1: the problem with that plan is the pandemic. The curve

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Speaker 1: is flattening, Things are opening up, and they're opening up

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Speaker 1: two months before the election, and that has put the

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Speaker 1: Democrats in a horrific position because they wanted voters to

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Speaker 1: go into the polling booth thinking that the pandemic is

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Speaker 1: alive and well and it's all the President's fault because

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Speaker 1: that's why everything is closed up. But everything might all

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Speaker 1: be opened up at the time of the election in

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Speaker 1: November and massive Democratic worst nightmare. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: a shame again because look at the people who are

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Speaker 1: being hurt LEO when when you look at this as

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Speaker 1: you know, let's say you're you're a parent or a

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Speaker 1: brother or a friend, and you've got someone that's at

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Speaker 1: the university level. Yeah, let's just say, for for example

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Speaker 1: s C or U C L as some were local

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Speaker 1: here in Law So Angeles. What do you do? What's

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Speaker 1: your stance on these universities there are requiring their students

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Speaker 1: to pay a full tuition scale twelve fifteen eighteen units

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Speaker 1: and that scale and doing everything virtually I mean, correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but these things aren't made without

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Speaker 1: these kids actually being an attendance, so you know you're

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Speaker 1: you're paying thirty dollars a semester. It's little eye galaging,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're sitting at home not having a drive

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Speaker 1: on campus. I think it's so unfair for the kids

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Speaker 1: not to have that opportunity, opportunity, and I think the

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Speaker 1: universities you know, accord this is a contract issue. As

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Speaker 1: a lawyer, that the issue would be are the kids

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Speaker 1: getting what they pay for, i e. An education? And

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Speaker 1: you can argue no, because part of the education is

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Speaker 1: the social interaction and the roundness of a college uh

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Speaker 1: four year experience, which mean these inner extracurricular activities on

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Speaker 1: campus activity of these things where you're having social interaction,

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Speaker 1: you're not getting the full the full value of the

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Speaker 1: money that you have invested in the college education. And

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Speaker 1: I think that is an argument to make four those

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Speaker 1: who are complaining that they are entitled that they should

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Speaker 1: either have a reduced rate for their college tuition or

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Speaker 1: they should have the full experience with modifications. And that's

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Speaker 1: the key with modifications. Somewhere between those two extremes, you

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Speaker 1: should have some type of compromise, and right now there's

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Speaker 1: no compromise. Yeah, I'm feeling it right now. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you, Leo, but but our colleague here, Ben Mallory,

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Speaker 1: he's been he's been soaking it up at home and

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Speaker 1: he's making these looks like delicious fried. I have him

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Speaker 1: making a wonderful I take these rip off recipes Leo

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Speaker 1: on YouTube, and then I recreate them in the in

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Speaker 1: the kitchen and they're very good. But I yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to bring this up though, because my

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Speaker 1: niece just started college at a school in south Line,

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Speaker 1: and my my brother has been complaining to me because

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Speaker 1: you know, they're paying a lot of money as you

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Speaker 1: talked about the college tuitions through the roof, and she

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Speaker 1: was very excited to start college, and the the school

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Speaker 1: had had told her and the family that they were

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Speaker 1: planning on having classes. That's one of the reasons my

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Speaker 1: brother sent my niece to college. But apparently they did

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Speaker 1: a bait and switch situation because she showed up to

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Speaker 1: the to the school and then they said, well, we've

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Speaker 1: decided we're out of abundance of caution, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: kids just do it online. And apparently this is going on.

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Speaker 1: From what my brother tells me. It college is all

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Speaker 1: over the country that said they were going to reopen

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Speaker 1: to students. They've done the bait and switch thing, and

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Speaker 1: they all say because of abundance of caution, can you

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Speaker 1: do anything you want? Leo, if you use that phrase

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Speaker 1: and you are bulletproof from legal action if you say

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Speaker 1: out of an abundance of caution, problem is you know

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Speaker 1: this is the inside baseball here. The lawyers are concerned

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Speaker 1: about liability, That's what they're concerned about. Their concerned about ramification.

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Speaker 1: If someone sues the school for saying, look, you open

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Speaker 1: the schools up and you expose my son and daughter

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Speaker 1: and you didn't take the proper quote proper safety, precautionous

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Speaker 1: and because there's no type of liability waiver being issued

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Speaker 1: where the kids signed some waiver and I would suggest

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Speaker 1: no one do that. Is that the schools are saying, Look,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to say, it's a multitude of lawsuits.

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Speaker 1: If someone dies, if someone gets sick, if someone gets ill,

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Speaker 1: if someone gets inspected. So I would submit to you

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Speaker 1: that the lawyers have gotten involved in these institutions and

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Speaker 1: have advised school presidents as to what they're running the

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Speaker 1: risk of someone gonna take the chance others are not Leo.

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Speaker 1: Why isn't that rampant though throughout corporate America. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like Ben and I go to work and you know,

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Speaker 1: we're not signing waivers and world over eighteen, Like these

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Speaker 1: kids are over eighteen. So why would there be a

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Speaker 1: why would there need to be a waiver like a

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Speaker 1: release and liability with these with these students when corporate

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Speaker 1: America is not facing any of that. Well, that's a

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Speaker 1: very good question. Let me tell you right now, what

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Speaker 1: the what has been bottled up right as we speak

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Speaker 1: for the last two months, is getting that type of

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Speaker 1: corporate immunity or waiver that's been brought up in the

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Speaker 1: US Senate right now. That is a concern for every

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Speaker 1: aspect of the America economy, not not just the private sector,

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Speaker 1: but education, the mom and pop store. There's no there's

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Speaker 1: no waiver of liability right now. So there is a

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Speaker 1: risk that a lot of employers are taking uh they're

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Speaker 1: deemed essential to the public, need, media, red food, gasoline,

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Speaker 1: and those employers are taking a risk because again there

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Speaker 1: is no liability protection or employers companies to open up.

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Speaker 1: So it is on a really a case by case basis,

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Speaker 1: and that same issue that you just mentioned is up

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Speaker 1: in the U. S. Senate Leo, what's this been like

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Speaker 1: for you? I because you know, if we go back

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Speaker 1: to like two thousand sixteen, two thousand seventeen, two thousand eighteen,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're you're jam and Sean Hannity on the air,

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Speaker 1: that you're you're going back and forth trading barbs, and

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Speaker 1: now it's like you guys are almost walking hat in

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Speaker 1: hand together. What's the what's this transformation been like with you?

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Speaker 1: With the way that the media has been and the

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Speaker 1: way that you've appeared on local and national platforms just personally. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, that's a good question. I look,

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Speaker 1: I feel, first of all, totally liberated. I want to

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Speaker 1: make sure everyone understand that I feel totally liberated out

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Speaker 1: explain what that means. I also feel like I want

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Speaker 1: everyone to hear this is that I got no hitt

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Speaker 1: in legenda. No one came up to me and said, hey, Leo,

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Speaker 1: here's a couple of million dollars, just change your position.

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Speaker 1: It was it would create a tidal wave of shock

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Speaker 1: and surprise no one. I mean, I'm a I am

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Speaker 1: the same person, but there were a series of events

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Speaker 1: and statements that took place uttered by Joe Biden that

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Speaker 1: offended me. I'm civil rights attorney and I believe in fairness.

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Speaker 1: I'm a civil rights attorney, meaning that everyone should be

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Speaker 1: treated fairly. And Joe Biden's comments, we're just insulting. What

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Speaker 1: comments am I referring to? You don't vote Democrats, you

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Speaker 1: ain't black? That was that that hurt me. I was

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Speaker 1: hurt by that because you know, I've been a long

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Speaker 1: time lifelong Democrat civil rights attorney. The Republicans are bad,

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Speaker 1: the Democrats are great. But then I realized, I said,

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Speaker 1: if he honestly believes that, then he's taking me for grant.

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Speaker 1: He assumes that I have no choice, no, no independent thinking.

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Speaker 1: So that was the major turning point. The second issue

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Speaker 1: defunding the police. No police. I don't know if a

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Speaker 1: civilized society without police. So I just said, no, I

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Speaker 1: have to wake up and and and realize what's in

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Speaker 1: the best interests of this country. Backlash, Yeah, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of backlash. I mean my comments at the top

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Speaker 1: of this show talking about the NBA criticize the NBA player.

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Speaker 1: I love basketball, I love those play it, but I

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Speaker 1: want to be true to myself. I want to go

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Speaker 1: to bed at night and say, you know what I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not selling my values because of something that I

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Speaker 1: that I'm receiving. I'm giving no compensation, zero. But I

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Speaker 1: out of my mouth expressing how I feel on your

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Speaker 1: show and on Hannity, I'm just telling you how I

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Speaker 1: feel as an American now as a Democrat. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a Republican, just as an American, and as a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: I could take the heat. I don't care. You know.

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Speaker 1: I take the heat all the time for thirty years

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Speaker 1: as a lawyer, So I took the heat from the

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Speaker 1: other side when I was on the left. So I

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Speaker 1: got no problem with that. I always felt good as

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Speaker 1: to what was coming out of my mouth. Nothing made up,

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Speaker 1: are motivated by a hidden agenda. Well, Lee, I'm right

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Speaker 1: there with you. I love the NBA, I love you know,

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Speaker 1: all these sports, and it's it's been it's been tough

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Speaker 1: with all you know, everyone you know, activism here everywhere.

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Speaker 1: It's it's been a difficult watch in recent recent months.

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Speaker 1: With that said, though, there some owners. I did see

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Speaker 1: a story recently that some owners gave blowback to the

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Speaker 1: league when they put Black Lives Matter on the court

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Speaker 1: and the and the marketing of that in game during

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Speaker 1: the NBA experience. They obviously didn't win that battle. But

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Speaker 1: in your opinion, is there a way to get out

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Speaker 1: of this or is this now going to be going forward?

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Speaker 1: Is the NBA every time something happens? Are they going

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Speaker 1: to have to put slogans on T shirts and on

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Speaker 1: the court. Let me respond, first of all, I think

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Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter m them on the floor is horrible.

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Speaker 1: It's insulting. That tells me that if you're a Republican,

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Speaker 1: you can't open your mouth, if you're if you play

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Speaker 1: with the NBA, you can't open your mouth. I think

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Speaker 1: the NBA have have got have basically fallen down a

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Speaker 1: slippery slope because of by capitulating to these players. I

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Speaker 1: think they have basically done a disservice for the organization.

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Speaker 1: The organization and the NBA was designed to get people

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Speaker 1: some form of entertainment to escape from the woes of

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Speaker 1: their job. You know, they have some place to go

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Speaker 1: for fun and excitement. Now you're thinking political, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's unfair. And I think it's silence. People enforced

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Speaker 1: people to beat to remain silent because if they expressed themself,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be an outcast at their workplace. And that's wrong,

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Speaker 1: absolutlutely wrong. And and and let's not forget the w

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Speaker 1: n B A. They they just they've just gone wackle

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Speaker 1: all over the place. Hey, Leo, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time. I know you're a busy guy, big

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Speaker 1: TV star now and not a chance. I told Leo.

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Speaker 1: I told Ben that you were you were cheating on us,

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Speaker 1: but without kick the coverage. Uh no, hey, no, no,

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Speaker 1: that's not true. I was surprised. I have not done

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Speaker 1: any shows. I was surprised that they you know, they

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Speaker 1: did an article, But no, I have not done any Fox.

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Speaker 1: I haven't done a show with Clay or or anyone

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Speaker 1: affiliated with I'll kick the covers. I've been old to

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Speaker 1: Dave and Ben. We'll thank you, Leo, have a have

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Speaker 1: a great day. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate it. Thank you, guys,

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Speaker 1: have a good day. Be sure to catch live editions

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Speaker 1: of The Ben Miller Show weekdays at two am Eastern

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Speaker 1: eleven pm Pacific