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Speaker 2: This he is Hanging with the Boys, presented by Winstuff,

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Speaker 1: Now, your hosts.

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Speaker 2: Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon gross Shot,

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Speaker 5: Chris Bean and keeping it live a local I am

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Speaker 4: About each and every show abut wingstop or Flavor gets.

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Speaker 3: Its wee Michael Parsons. Michael Parsons. Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 4: We have not said his name on this show since

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Speaker 4: it went down. He has been banned from this show,

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Speaker 4: but we can talk about him for the next three

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Speaker 4: days today, Tomorrow and Friday, and then no more.

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Speaker 3: We shall not speak his name anymore after this week.

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Speaker 4: But our guys coming to town, we get to talk

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Speaker 4: Packers defense. Are we even gonna talk about anybody else?

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Speaker 1: We just go to.

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Speaker 3: Actually, yes, you better absolutely, Are you better talk about it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: You better?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 3: All right, go ahead and talk about some folks. Tell

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Speaker 3: us what we're gonna I'm gonna give you number fifty

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Speaker 3: two Rashad Gary Rashon Garrett four point five sacks Football

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Speaker 3: leagues full points sacks.

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Speaker 3: But what I want to get to real quick like

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Speaker 3: is Kway Walker, h Edrin Cooper. This is the linebackers.

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Speaker 3: They are part of the rush package. They have a

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Speaker 3: They are very disciplined. They stay in their lanes. They

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Speaker 3: can cover fairly well. They never come off the field.

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Speaker 3: That that right there impressed me. They play a four

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Speaker 3: man front which consists of Carbrooks Uh, Deontae Watt, Davante

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Speaker 3: Davante Wattson bad Eyes Davante watts and and Parsons. And

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Speaker 3: I already tell you about Gary. These guys are very disciplined.

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Speaker 3: They play a four man front. They played a lot

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Speaker 3: of over against Cleveland, they played a little bit of

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Speaker 3: four man front depending on down the distance. Against Washington,

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Speaker 3: they're their linebackers will come up in the line and

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Speaker 3: fake like they're gonna they're gonna blitz. But when they

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Speaker 3: mainly come up into the office line. They finish run

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Speaker 3: some loan games, and what I call loan games is

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Speaker 3: tackle in in UH. They'll loop around to the outside

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Speaker 3: or they'll let them. They'll let them go into their

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Speaker 3: UH to to play to a power side. And what

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about that is they'll stunt the tackle in.

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Speaker 3: They'll stunt the N N and then they'll see where

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Speaker 3: it's a gap and they'll go right where that gap at.

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Speaker 3: They are very disciplined. They're they're like worker bees. Everybody

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Speaker 3: got their place and everybody know who they are.

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Speaker 4: They play assignment alignment football, yes, sir, and they what

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Speaker 4: a concept.

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Speaker 3: Well. I walked in before the show and I say,

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Speaker 3: you know what I And I told Jess. I said, Jesse,

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Speaker 3: the most the thing that this team that really stands

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Speaker 3: out to me is they play fast and they are disciplined.

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Speaker 3: Take it over, Jess.

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Speaker 5: And when he said that, we both looked at each

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Speaker 5: other and I said, oh my god, Yeah, I was gonna.

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Speaker 1: Say the same thing.

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Speaker 5: Every every phase of their defense, the front, the middle,

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Speaker 5: and the back end. They play very very fast, and

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Speaker 5: they're gonna give you a combination of different things. In

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Speaker 5: the back end, they're gonna play some Cover one, right,

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Speaker 5: and they're gonna they're gonna show one. Look a lot

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Speaker 5: of times they'll show two high safeties and then they'll

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Speaker 5: kind of you'll see as get close to the snap,

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Speaker 5: they'll go on to Cover three. They'll play some Cover six.

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Speaker 5: So they'll play a multitude of coverages on the back

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Speaker 5: end to try to confuse the confuse the quarterback because

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Speaker 5: in the back of your mind, right as a quarterback, yes,

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Speaker 5: I'm looking and I'm checking for what the safety is

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Speaker 5: Of all those got no safeties moving in late one

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Speaker 5: of those linebackers doing. Oh by the way, they have

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Speaker 7: And and Lucas van Ness.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so he was the starter, yes before Michael Parson's town.

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Speaker 5: So their their backup used to be their starter before

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Speaker 5: Michael came to town, and he's playing with this hair

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Speaker 5: on fire. Same thing for the guy Kobe Wooden. He's

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Speaker 5: when you're talking about, you know, stopping the run and

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Speaker 1: But this team plays with speed.

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Speaker 8: And let me ask my dumb question for the day.

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Speaker 8: You got it, man, When you say they play fast,

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Speaker 8: are you're talking like physically they are physically fast or

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Speaker 8: do they scheme like they're just hair they.

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Speaker 5: All of that, all of that, all of that like

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Speaker 5: when you watch them on film, like it sticks out

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Speaker 5: when you see him running around it is. It's not

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Speaker 5: like one dude who's really fast. You see ten eleven

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Speaker 5: dudes who are just true truth. Like they're all over

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Speaker 5: the place with speed, with direction, and it's not a wild,

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Speaker 5: out of control fast. It's we recognize what we want

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Speaker 5: to do. When the ball is snapped, we're too where

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Speaker 5: to the football. If they're disguising coverages, guys are getting

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Speaker 5: back to the deep thirds. Your guys are buzzing down

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Speaker 3: Box, so many multiple looks, so everything we.

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Speaker 1: Have not been they have.

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Speaker 3: They are like that because.

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Speaker 4: That was because as he's talking, like y'all are saying

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Speaker 4: they're super fast, Well, you know what, let you play

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Speaker 4: fast on defense, confidence you're doing, knowing what you're doing,

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Speaker 4: and communicating like and did coverage.

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Speaker 3: I think I saw maybe one blown coverage and they

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Speaker 5: And the one thing that I think is going to

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Speaker 5: and they do it in multiple ways, like like Nate

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Speaker 5: They'll loop them two gaps around. Now he's coming down,

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Speaker 5: so they'll go they'll have their their their two defensive

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Speaker 5: of you know, of your offensive line. And that's for

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Speaker 5: Sean Gary, that's Michael Parsons. They'll just do a simple

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like.

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Speaker 5: It's always something that is coming towards you with a

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Speaker 5: different look.

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Speaker 1: These guys.

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Speaker 3: But let me emphasize, now, let me emphasize, but they

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Speaker 3: have lane integrity. I'm telling you they would run their

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Speaker 3: games with quickness and speed. But if I supposed to

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Speaker 3: the B, they gonna beat up because they are like

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Speaker 3: the old Minnesota Vikings. We're gonna get the runner on

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Speaker 3: the way to the quarterback. So they stay in their

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Speaker 3: They still in their lanes so they can react. I

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Speaker 3: just had a Nate moment.

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Speaker 9: But it covers his eyes like a premonition when you're

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Speaker 9: saying that, and I'm sitting there thinking, all right, Cowboys

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Speaker 9: offensive line, left side, you've had some issues?

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Speaker 1: Why right?

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Speaker 3: You definitely had some issues.

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Speaker 4: Now you've got a new guarden there, you got a

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Speaker 4: new center. This ain't the game you want with quick

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Speaker 4: guys that are running, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Like.

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Speaker 5: When I was watching it yesterday and from a from

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Speaker 5: a general manager perspective, right, like if you just if

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Speaker 5: you took a step back and you said, bring back

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Speaker 5: Kenny Pickett, take away Micah Parsons.

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Speaker 3: Right, Kenny Clark.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I keep saying Kenny Picket, Kenny Clark.

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Speaker 5: Excuse wait a minute, Kenny Clark, Like just just rewind

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Speaker 5: rewind this to middle of August, and Kenny Clark is

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Speaker 5: still on the Packers.

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Speaker 1: Micah is not on the Packers anymore. Still a damn

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Speaker 1: good defense.

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Speaker 5: I get an under like this is a damn good

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Speaker 5: defense without my you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, So,

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Speaker 5: like I'm looking at and like we already knew what

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Speaker 5: their office was, right, Lafleur in that offense was already

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Speaker 5: very explosive offense, and you know all of that nonsense

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Speaker 5: they had George Love and those receivers in that running

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Speaker 3: When you talk about one player away, when.

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Speaker 1: You talk about being a player away, like.

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Speaker 5: Without Michael Parsons, Van Ness and Kenny Clark, this defense

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Speaker 5: will still been absolutely fine.

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Speaker 3: Because Gary can rush the passer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fifty two, you got a guy backing up, backing

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Speaker 4: up Micah.

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Speaker 3: Now that can start for thirty one other teams in

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Speaker 3: the league. Yes, at least for twenty eight of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at least.

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Speaker 5: Might not start about but this is a guy who

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Speaker 5: was a starter.

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Speaker 3: For them, right It was starting to find his way.

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Speaker 3: He was starting to find the.

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Speaker 1: First first round pick.

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Speaker 5: So like this was this is a guy who is

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Speaker 5: and so you look at it and you go. They

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Speaker 5: saw that and was like, this is a piece And

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Speaker 5: this is the thing that I talked about. And you

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Speaker 5: hear people talk about ramping up. This is what I'm

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Speaker 5: well is gonna come in there, I'm like, glomm he

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Speaker 5: ain't done nothing in five six months. It's gonna take

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Speaker 5: him a couple of weeks to get going. But a

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Speaker 3: Group per game. This per game fourteen point seven points

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Speaker 3: they have given up in this early season still early. Yes,

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty good unit. Yeah, not bad. You had

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Speaker 5: He's second in pressures behind Nick Benito in Denver with

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Speaker 3: Bud said, is their defense that. That's where I would

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Speaker 3: I'm you uh, And he's setting the edge. I saw

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, is it? Why is he setting edge?

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Speaker 4: Let's dedicate next segment to Micah since we haven't talked

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Speaker 3: About you could Jesse, y'all, y'all can do it, man,

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Speaker 3: because I have a question. You've finish called this man

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Speaker 3: the sacks. It's too many sack.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not about that. It's about morale and uh mentality.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell y'all how I would play Michael if

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Speaker 4: I got a question. It's not it's not all that

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Speaker 4: three more games to go. I don't want to pile

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: But does it do something to the morale of the

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Speaker 4: Like has that affected this team or is that just

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Speaker 3: Does that mess with you?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I think there's two parts to that.

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Speaker 1: Because now the intention turns to you.

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Speaker 3: But I'm gonna chase them.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So that theory of manufacturing pressure sounds good right until.

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Speaker 3: You go use it in the practice. Now, this is

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Speaker 3: So how do the other teams manufacture that? And this

442
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 3: is where I hate to say, you got to get

443
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 3: better players. If I'm wrong, they got to prove it

444
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 3: to me. This is where you have to get better players.

445
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 3: Want to guys. I text the guys though, that me

446
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: and Jesse got into it last year. It wasn't me

447
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 3: and you, this me and somebody else got into another

448
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: one Isaiah in one Isaiah, we got into an argument

449
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 3: and they said ninety seven is just the guy, you know,

450
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 3: the guy for the Detroit Lions. He's just the guy.

451
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: He's not just you.

452
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 5: That was you and I that because I said, I

453
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 5: said he was I said he was all effort.

454
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I called him.

455
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Speaker 5: I called him death that random techne, Yeah, yeah, that

456
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 5: was that was you. And I I was like, I

457
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 5: don't really see nothing special about it, do He just

458
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 5: tries really hard.

459
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Speaker 3: This dude done broke his leg and come back off

460
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: of a broken leg and sat one of the most

461
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Speaker 3: gifted the quarterbacks in the league. And Lamar Jackson ever,

462
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Speaker 3: and we don't have that guy. See, there's four premier guys,

463
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Speaker 3: and then it's the effort guy. Who's our effort guy,

464
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 3: who is our effort guy?

465
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Speaker 1: We don't have one.

466
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Speaker 5: You know what, I agree with you one hundred because

467
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Speaker 5: there is that tier of yes, that is your Miles Garretts,

468
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Speaker 5: your Crosby's, your you know, Bosa before he got hurt, yes, Micah.

469
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Speaker 5: And then there's that next level of guys that you

470
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Speaker 5: put up there, and we had to go another We

471
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 5: gotta probably come down two more ranks before we put

472
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Speaker 5: any of our guys in that category. And when you

473
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 5: don't have those guys in that category, what made guys

474
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 5: like Michael so special is they don't they don't need

475
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 5: a play call for them. They just gonna make a

476
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Speaker 5: play and sometimes they even go off script.

477
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Speaker 3: The defensive days. Right, just talent, just make a play.

478
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: We don't have that.

479
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Speaker 5: And when you don't have that across the board, right,

480
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 5: you don't have that anywhere across the board, not saying Williams,

481
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 5: not Marshawn Neeland, not James Houston, not Donovanezeraku, not Fowler.

482
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Speaker 1: Nowhere across that do you have that.

483
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Speaker 5: And so when you talk about manufacturing, you need guys

484
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Speaker 5: to manufacture. You you need the players to go out

485
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Speaker 5: there to be able to manufacture this stuff, to manufacture

486
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Speaker 5: the pressure because.

487
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Speaker 1: The only way you.

488
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Speaker 5: The only way you manufacture pressure is by sheer math.

489
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Speaker 5: Six is greater than five, seven is greater than six,

490
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 5: eight is greater than seven. Now, if I'm manufacturing pressure,

491
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 5: that means if there's five down offensive linemen, I gotta

492
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 5: send a six. That means there's five guys back in coverage. Right,

493
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 5: if there's six blockers and I gotta send seven, I

494
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 5: mean if we ain't holding up on the back end,

495
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 5: it won't matter. You're not manufacturing no pressure because the

496
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 5: ball is going to an open receiver down the field.

497
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 5: So in order to manufacture pressure, you gotta be able

498
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 5: to cover on the back end what the Cowboys haven't

499
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 5: been able to do. Can't cover on the back end,

500
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 5: can't manufacture pressure up front, can't manufacture pressure up front,

501
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 5: can't cover on the back end. Is why we're sitting

502
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Speaker 5: here right now looking at this defense, marching towards a

503
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 5: historically bad defense, because yeah, it's easy to get you

504
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 5: can say manufactured pressure, but you need dudes to do that.

505
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 5: I need dudes to be able to go out there

506
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 5: and do what you need to do. We don't have that,

507
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 5: all right, how would you deal with Micaeh?

508
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 3: I have to retake everything I said, because the NFL

509
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 3: is not built like that anymore.

510
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: Take the fun, yeah, you take the fun.

511
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 5: This one's on me if I'm taking the fun.

512
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 3: If he and if in another thing, he negates a

513
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: lot of that because you don't know where he's gonna

514
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: line up old school football. I knew Reggie White was

515
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 3: gonna be over on my rights by my right tackle

516
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: ninety percent of the time when they went bar I

517
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: knew he was gonna be center ninety percent of the time.

518
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 3: Now Parsons against he moved around a lot against Washington,

519
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 3: he moved around a lot. He got the left guard,

520
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: even got something in Washington. Uh, but he played a

521
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: lot of right I think you know what I'm saying.

522
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: I'm going from my right. He played over that right

523
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: tackling guard a little bit, you know, so and then

524
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 3: they and then they moved him over to the left side.

525
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: So if you don't know where he's gonna be, it's

526
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: kind of hard to design wham plays, trap plays. Every

527
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: chance we would have got to put our hands on parsons,

528
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 3: we was gonna try to put our hands on what

529
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: about elbows, knees man? He followed, You know I can

530
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: say this now because it ain't nothing gonna happen. But

531
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: man if he if he the fella in front of me,

532
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: I'd have just lived with my knee right in his

533
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 3: chest out of somewhere that rib was hanging out, man,

534
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: to put the point out of the It wasn't gonna

535
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: be gonna soften him up. Once I put that on it.

536
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: He was, he was gonna look at me and I

537
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: I remember I got Lawrence one time. Lawrence said it

538
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: was the sweetest blow and I got his part. And

539
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: I can't think of his name that too. Uh No,

540
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 3: it was a defensive tackle, man, Pepa Johnson. When you

541
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: hit those dudes just right, they look at you, and

542
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,239
Speaker 3: that's your time to let them know where you and

543
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: you know because when you get that shot, then look

544
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: at you and I Lawrence not in here today. What

545
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: I'm telling him is you safer running the horn because

546
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: you ain't coming here today. You know what I'm saying.

547
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: But it was hard to do that with Reggie because

548
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: they had so many great pass rushers Till you couldn't.

549
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: You wasn't getting no help, so you couldn't sell out

550
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: the Redgs be cause it're gonna be all day of

551
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: fat you're gonna be in churchy all day with him. Yeah.

552
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 8: So when these guys are practicing plays out here, do

553
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 8: they say, Okay, let's run this play with Micah is here,

554
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 8: Let's run it now with Micah.

555
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: That's hard, that's hard to do.

556
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 8: And they do that.

557
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 3: That's hard to do that. Now, you can always kind

558
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: of turn the protection, but you can kind of always

559
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: get the protection to him. I'm talking about a running play.

560
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 10: You know.

561
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: Sometimes you want to get a running play where you

562
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: can get where you can get on a guy, lean

563
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: a guy, push him cross the pile, or put some

564
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: extra on out. Yeah, a noseguard never no problem. He

565
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: ain't athletic moving outside of those guards. But Micah, you

566
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: can be in the lineup a perfect play you think

567
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: you got, I'll say, even show up on the field.

568
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: You know he taking a break.

569
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 8: You know we've seen like he got criticized for some

570
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 8: of his run defense. Would you just run right at him?

571
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 8: So I have done that.

572
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 5: So like even in the Cleveland game, they tried to

573
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 5: run at Micah as well. And you know, if we

574
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 5: talked to offense now or before or later, if I

575
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 5: was the OC, this is just if I was playing OC,

576
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 5: and I was playing against this team, my tight end room,

577
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 5: my tight end room would be so important because we

578
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 5: are going to be in a ton of twelve personnelity. Yes,

579
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 5: we're gonna be one back, two tight ends a large

580
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 5: majority of the game because I and I'm looking at

581
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 5: Brevin span Ford and I'm looking at Schoolmaker and I'm

582
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 5: looking at Ferd and I'm saying, you gotta sell out

583
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 5: this week. You gotta sell out this week, and you

584
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 5: gotta give me everything in this So it's it's to

585
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 5: the point now where if you know, whatever the side

586
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 5: like to say, if Mike is gonna line up primarily

587
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 5: on the offensive right hand side defensive left hand side, well,

588
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: when I break the huddle, the strength is going to

589
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 5: be to that side. Tighten is gonna be to that side,

590
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 5: and if if it's, if it's not, maybe I can

591
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 5: motion right. But talking about sliding the protection, if I

592
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 5: got I from sliding to protection right, slide the protection left,

593
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 5: that means.

594
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm getting another guy out there.

595
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 5: I'm getting a tight end with my tackle and we're

596
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 5: gonna try to you know, position this thing where he

597
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 5: got either to run a super hump around the outside

598
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 5: or he's he's going back inside, and I'm on a

599
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 5: hip of my tackle trying to figure out, Hey, if

600
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 5: you go in, you gotta really sell him inside. You

601
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 5: gotta go get him inside because if he comes back,

602
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 5: I'm I'm hip to hip with you to make him

603
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 5: have to run back into me or bounce even more outside.

604
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 5: That's how I would play. It would my offense would

605
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 5: be run for the twelve personnel this week. I'm sliding

606
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 5: the protection block.

607
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just tight end is hanging with the tackle

608
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: and I and I wish you Cleveland did at a

609
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: couple of times. I mean that that tight end I

610
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: mean punished him. I mean he was there with his

611
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: tackle and once they figured out where he was going,

612
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: then he went into his route. You can't take all

613
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: man like you might too fast for that, as Jerry

614
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: calling Michael's too fast.

615
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: For because they have two really good rush ends.

616
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Speaker 5: But but like I'm in twelve personnel, one back, too

617
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 5: tight end, two wide receivers as much as I can

618
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 5: possibly be because that's gonna give me a better chance

619
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Speaker 5: at protecting my quarterback and none, you know, even go

620
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 5: back and watch the Detroit Lions against the Ravens. A

621
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 5: lot of their big runs that twelve personnel, that two

622
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 5: tight ends in there. You gotta get there, and you gotta,

623
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 5: you gotta get dirty with these jokers. You gotta you

624
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 5: gotta get in there and block them and hit them

625
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 5: and just lean on them and lean on them and

626
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 5: lean on them, because if they get to that position

627
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 5: where they're up and they could just pin their ears

628
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 5: back and now you gotta pass.

629
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Speaker 4: Mhmm, all right, Well next week, now, feeling good, let's

630
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Speaker 4: take a break. Yeah, let's go on to Let's spend

631
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Speaker 4: the last ten minutes of the show talking about Cowboys

632
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Speaker 4: offense or should we just cut that?

633
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Speaker 3: Can we cut that down to two minutes this week?

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Speaker 1: There's some opportunities, it is, Yes, it is.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me?

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Speaker 4: I went before the show, so I need to do

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Speaker 4: my scratch off. So while you guys are talking about

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Speaker 4: this Cowboys offense, so Jesse positive, Jesse, do we have

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Speaker 4: a shot of putting points up against this fast, coordinated, confident,

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Speaker 4: communicative defense that we're gonna face on Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: There's always a chance.

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Speaker 5: There's always a shot, right, like this is football is

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Speaker 5: a is a a very funny lady, and she's not

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Speaker 5: loyal to anybody, all right, Like every week she could

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Speaker 5: show her allegiance to a different group of men, you

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Speaker 5: know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: She can show love to a different group of men

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Speaker 1: every single week.

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Speaker 5: But those who prepare the best and who come to

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Speaker 5: play the best usually the one that you know, der

705
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Speaker 5: thee Diana goes to. But what the Cowboys have to do,

706
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 5: in my personal opinion, they gotta slow this game down.

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Speaker 5: They have to They have to make they have to

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Speaker 5: muck this up. They have to make this ugly. They

709
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Speaker 5: have to make this because what you don't want is

710
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 5: that that Green Bay offense is really explosive. That quarterback

711
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 5: is another one of these guys who can throw the

712
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Speaker 5: ball all over the park. They got a really good

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Speaker 5: running back in Josh Jacobs. They are down their right

714
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Speaker 5: tackle for this game. But I mean, hell, that doesn't

715
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Speaker 5: matter for us. We said the last.

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Speaker 1: So I'm saying all that that the Cowboys offensively, you

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00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: gotta do. I said a little bit earlier. You got

718
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Speaker 1: to get in twelve personnel.

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Speaker 5: You gotta you gotta go walk to that tight end

720
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Speaker 5: room and and you gotta tell Span forward and Luke

721
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 5: and and and ferg this is gonna be we we

722
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Speaker 5: win this game on the backs of you guys. This

723
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 5: has to be a game where the tight ends block

724
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Speaker 5: the very best that they've ever blocked.

725
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Speaker 1: You gotta you have to be willing to commit.

726
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 5: Wholeheartedly that you're going to help in the run game,

727
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Speaker 5: because what we gotta do is wear this defense down.

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Speaker 5: When you how you how do how you combat that

729
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 5: level of speed? Is that when we get to the

730
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Speaker 5: fourth quarter, their hands on it on their hips and

731
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 5: they're they're they're leaning over, and they they're they're they're

732
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 5: they're bent over and and they're trying to catch their

733
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 5: breath because it was just body blows after body blows

734
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 5: after body blows. That to me is the path you're

735
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 5: not getting explosive place. I don't think that's gonna be

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Speaker 5: a part of where you you're you're you know, you're

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Speaker 5: getting down the field and you're having these exposive plays.

738
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Speaker 5: You're looking for ways now maybe you get a special

739
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 5: team's touchdown or a big play in the special teams game.

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Speaker 5: They're just not giving up many big plays. So you

741
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Speaker 5: gotta slow it down. You gotta make this thing. You

742
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Speaker 5: you this is one of those games the score is

743
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Speaker 5: twelve nine and you win, you get you leave that

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Speaker 5: game and say job well done. This is not gonna

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Speaker 5: be one of those games where it's a thirty five

746
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Speaker 5: to thirty. This is this has to be bloody.

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Speaker 1: This has to be a back alley, bare knuckle fight.

748
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Speaker 4: What so do you just let the run game take

749
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 4: over from an offensive standpoint and you.

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Speaker 3: Still have it? You still have a short game, you

751
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: still have a short passing game. Yes, this is to

752
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Speaker 3: go along with Jesse.

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Speaker 1: You're going to.

754
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: Each quarter. You're looking to have you eight to nine runs.

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Speaker 3: Great runs, I mean a great run against them about

756
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: just four yards. You don't needati negative plays. I mean

757
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Speaker 3: we played Philadelphia, and we played them the second time

758
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Speaker 3: when we hit them twelve eleven sacks the first game

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00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 3: one of our goals was and y'all can laugh at us,

760
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Speaker 3: But second and ten was not bad. But second and

761
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Speaker 3: eleven was a killer at one yard. So I'm looking

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00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: at this game second and second and seven is not bad.

763
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Speaker 3: It gives you a chance to either run again or

764
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Speaker 3: throw a short pass. Gonna have to have one, and

765
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Speaker 3: it will not hurt to have in one of those

766
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Speaker 3: first two quarters to have your eight minute drive. So

767
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: you're just trying to stay out of harm's way and

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Speaker 3: stay out of yourself in the game, knowing that, hey,

769
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Speaker 3: they are passing, you want to keep them a little

770
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Speaker 3: bit guessing.

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Speaker 5: Because what happens in that like and you'll see out

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Speaker 5: throughout the course of the game. The more you get

773
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Speaker 5: in definite passing downs, the more you put yourself in harms.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and number four in harms way, right, because.

775
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Speaker 5: You're you're gonna see throughout that game, even like watching

776
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 5: the Cleveland game, watch other games like this, that moment

777
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Speaker 5: where they're this close to getting to flogo, like stripsack fumble,

778
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 5: they're that close, and they're like they're just And the

779
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 5: more you keep sitting, then the stacks start adding up.

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00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 5: Then things are adding the hitting your course, right, because

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00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 5: what also, and this is why it's also important to

782
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 5: to kind of keep the run game alive. To Nack's point,

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00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 5: I can't get in second and fifteen because I jumped

784
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 5: off sides. There will be holdings in this game. I'm

785
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 5: telling y'all right now, Tyler Goydon might have two or

786
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 5: three of them. I'm just telling you, and that's going

787
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 5: to be a killer when you got to look up

788
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 5: and you gotta go.

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Speaker 1: On this second and ten.

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Speaker 3: Some of them might be might be worth it, that

791
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: it might be.

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Speaker 1: But when you look up and.

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00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 5: It's second and fifteen, it's second and twenty because we held,

794
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 5: and that plays right into their hands because that's when

795
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 5: they'll they'll play a little little coverage and they'll they'll

796
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 5: let you run a little bit and then they'll say.

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Speaker 1: Oh, now we're the third down. Now it's third and nine,

798
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: third and eighth.

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Speaker 3: And I used to know the word, and it's jests.

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Speaker 3: I'm quite sure you do. When they are rushing a

801
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: certain way in the safeties and corners of the planet.

802
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 3: Certain it's only one person you can throw that ball

803
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: to you They saying, we gonna let you throw it

804
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 3: right here, and the quarterback gonna have to throw it

805
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: because everything else is covered up. They telling you this

806
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: is the only thing open, like they did with tight

807
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 3: end is fast. Hey man, here he is. Here's gonna

808
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: eighty seven and we're gonna come from a tackle you

809
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: because second and anything more than ten, they gonna direct

810
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: where you throw that ball at. They gonna direct the

811
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: nine percent of the time where you throw that ball at.

812
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Speaker 3: Now I'm saying this because I guess I'm over sold

813
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: on CD. I don't know what Brother Pickings is gonna

814
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: do in a situation like this. Maybe I'm hoping he

815
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 3: shine like never before. I'm hoping Davonte shine like never before.

816
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 3: But this is gonna be a game where, like Jesse said,

817
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: you're gonna need two tight ends. That's willing to do

818
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: it on run rundowns and passing downs. And that's helped

819
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Speaker 3: with the blocking because if you if you're not, you

820
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 3: cannot turn fifty two are eleven? Especially eleven because if

821
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: he if he's like any other defensive players like I know,

822
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: they like to rush the passer. If they get a

823
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 3: sack early, your day is one. You put an extra

824
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: one on him? She said, eleven, he's one. Now, Well,

825
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 3: I hope you know, hope they don't get eleven set.

826
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Cowboys.

827
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 5: But the Cowboys offensively, and this is the type of

828
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 5: game honestly, Like the Cowboys actually have.

829
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: The perfect back for a game like this. Yes he does,

830
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: because Javonte is going.

831
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Speaker 5: To break tackles like he's gonna He's one of those

832
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 5: backs is always gonna fall forward, that's always going to

833
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 5: get that that one extra yard and so as long

834
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 5: as you can give yourself an opportunity to run it

835
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 5: on first and second down, positively, Javonte is the kind of.

836
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: Back where he's he's delivering.

837
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 5: The hit now granted, protect the ball because they are

838
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 5: the type of team. First guy there, hold you up, second, third, fourth,

839
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Speaker 5: fifth guy there are quick, they're punching there. They're trying

840
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 5: to create turnovers that way as well. But Javonte is

841
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 5: a back that will give you a chance to just

842
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 5: tenderize it all game long.

843
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: And that's what you want.

844
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 5: Like each one of your like you always hear the

845
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 5: saying that each drives in with the kick, punt, extra point,

846
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 5: or field goal. Like the Cowboys have to be in

847
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 5: that mindset. They can't have a bunch of three and outs.

848
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 5: They can't have a bunch of penalties. If you get

849
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 5: behind in the sticks, you're gonna be in for a

850
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 5: long day.

851
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 8: Right now, they are rushing the ball on first and ten.

852
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 8: They rush the ball thirty nine percent of the time,

853
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 8: so a third of the time they're rushing it, two

854
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 8: thirds they're passing it. Do they need to make that

855
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 8: a little Do they need to rush more? And they

856
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 8: make it a little more even I.

857
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: Think I think so.

858
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 5: I think so for this particular game because of the

859
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 5: way that they rush the passer. I think running the

860
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 5: ball for the Cowboys. And that's why I said twelve

861
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 5: personnel because I need double duce blocks and eight like

862
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 5: I need garden center, and I need I need tackling

863
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 5: tight end, I need to I need double duces, I

864
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 5: need all of that. Maybe this is one of the

865
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Speaker 5: games where we hey, we paid the full back seven

866
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Speaker 5: million dollars.

867
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Speaker 1: Lift you come on, you know, and you know what

868
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: you can't do.

869
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Speaker 3: You know, a lot of teams do a lot of

870
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: missdirection and that acquires for your guards and tackles a

871
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: lot of time to block down these dudes a little

872
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 3: bit too fast for that, you know. If anything, just

873
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 3: do a wound block where you just let it got free,

874
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 3: just smack him. But this blockdown block now, don't don't

875
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: do that.

876
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Speaker 1: Clayton has done a really good job in designing room.

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Speaker 3: I could be wrong.

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Speaker 5: This is one of those games where, boy, you need

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Speaker 5: you need the very best of from everybody. There's it's

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Speaker 5: very there's very very very very very slim room.

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Speaker 3: And then coach said. Coach said that it could be

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Speaker 3: some changes, you know on this, not for the offense,

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Speaker 3: but for the defense. And I'm just saying to myself,

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Speaker 3: is this the game too much?

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Speaker 4: Ali Fellas, good stuff, Jesse, Nate, Chris, thanks for keeping

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Speaker 4: us on the air. Josh, thanks for keeping them. Company

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Speaker 4: back tomorrow with what Cowboys defense? Jordan Josh Jacobs?

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 4: The running back Josh Jacobs?

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Speaker 3: We need a defensive lineman to show up this week

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Speaker 3: and company tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We got companies.

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Speaker 4: No, I was saying, Josh Jacobs and company tomorrow talk

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Speaker 4: their offense, our defense, and who knows what else Tomorrow Thursday,

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Speaker 4: hanging with the boys, see you then we out.

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