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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Total Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: York Football Giants. I'm John Schmel, joined by Daniel Jeremiah,

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Speaker 1: the lead Draft analyst for NFL Networking. Course check out

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Speaker 1: all of the NFL Network's coverage of the combine throughout

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Speaker 2: Go check it out. DJ. You're at the been doing

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Speaker 2: this what four hours today? These media hits? How you doing?

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Speaker 3: Man? Yeah, it's a lot of media hits, but it's fun.

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Speaker 3: It's like good batting practice here to get used to everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure you get an idea of kind

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Speaker 1: of what some of these team needs are, right, So

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Speaker 1: why don't we start then with the Giants first? Let's

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Speaker 1: start overall, when I looked at this, I feel like

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Speaker 1: there were more true blue chip top ten worthy picks

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Speaker 1: in this draft and maybe the last two or three

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's really top heavy. So in other words,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel great about that group, and it

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Speaker 3: probably goes ten to twelve thirteen in there. I think

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Speaker 3: we do have some drop off. I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of that's that's a longer discussion in terms of nil

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Speaker 3: and the lack of juniors that came into the draft,

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Speaker 3: and that's going to show up in you know, rounds

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Speaker 3: four or seven, but especially at the top of this draft. Man,

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Speaker 3: it's like, I've got three receivers in the top five

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Speaker 3: players in the draft. You start there, and that's an

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Speaker 3: impressive group.

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Speaker 2: Wellkoy, let's talk about that real quick. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I have Harrison, then I have Neighbors just below, and

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Speaker 1: then I have a Duneza just below that. Rod grade

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Speaker 1: wise o Donza vers Bowers. How do you have those

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Speaker 1: guys stacked and how close are they for you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I have so the way I have it, I have

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Speaker 3: it Marvin and I had. I gave a Donsay the

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Speaker 3: same grade I gave Marvin. Oh wow, I'm gonna dounsay, guy,

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Speaker 3: So I love a Dounsay. And then I have right

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Speaker 3: below that Neighbors and Bowers have the same grade from me.

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Speaker 3: So that I mean, they're all and it's a flavor thing.

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Speaker 3: It's whatever you're looking for. Neighbors is going to be

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Speaker 3: the run after catch, this super super dynamic explosive and

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Speaker 3: then with the Dunesay, you get you know, the catch

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Speaker 3: radius the contested catches. I think he's gonna people are

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Speaker 3: gonna be surprised how fast he runs too, by the

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Speaker 3: way he can roll. He's he's he's one of those

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Speaker 3: guys who's got such body control and awareness that he's

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Speaker 3: going to be faster than you. That's how fast he's

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you have alt in the more of the

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Speaker 1: Marvin Odonzay category and more of the neighbors in.

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Speaker 3: The Neighbors Bowers category, they have the exact really exact

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Speaker 3: same grade. So then it just comes down to, you know,

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Speaker 3: what are you looking for? What do you need? The

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Speaker 3: fact that we have such a deep group of tackles,

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Speaker 3: you know, that'll be interesting to see how that all

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Speaker 3: gets sorted out. Are you either going to be on

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Speaker 3: of that you know, top three receiver group, or you

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Speaker 1: How much do you take in consideration that you're probably

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Speaker 1: the top of the second round if you're the Giants,

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Speaker 1: as you make that decision at six, or do you

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Speaker 1: push that inside and say, look, we just got to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, you want you don't want to miss, So

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Speaker 3: to me, it's who you feel confident in. I agree

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Speaker 3: you probably should lean towards the tackle, just because your

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Speaker 3: because he's a different He's a different caliber player for me.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm with you on that Quarterbacks you guys on

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Speaker 1: Move the Sticks podcast, Check that out to you. By

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Speaker 1: the way, talk a lot about team building, right, Tractiver's

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Speaker 1: trailer for quarterback. You're always trying to find that quarterback

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Speaker 1: that can get you where you want to go. And

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Speaker 1: you watched the last eight teams that were live last year,

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Speaker 1: except for Baker Mayfield, who had a really good year,

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Speaker 1: they're all the superhero style quarterbacks that can do crazy stuff.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So while you're always hunting for a quarterback, you're not

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Speaker 1: just hunting for eight quarterback. You're hunting for the quarterback, right,

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Speaker 1: which I think is two different things. I think we

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Speaker 1: all believe the top three guys in this draft have

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Speaker 1: the talent and skill to be the quarterback and be

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Speaker 1: a tractor. The next three are they all trailers in

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Speaker 1: your opinion, or do you think they have the raw

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Speaker 1: talent to be tractors teams, the guys that can put

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Speaker 3: I would say it this way. I think initially those

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Speaker 3: going to be dependent on who's around them and what's

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Speaker 3: be successful, which to a degree, every quarterback is Obviously

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Speaker 3: it's going to be dependent on where you go. But

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Speaker 3: I would say the chances for those guys, because of

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Speaker 3: how they can play the game's shoulders up, will exceed

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Speaker 3: their physical abilities that you know you can. You can

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Speaker 3: be a a tractor as a pocket quarterback, but in

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Speaker 3: order to be that, you have to have had enough

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Speaker 3: experience to acquire the knowledge to be able to have

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Speaker 3: the answers to the test. So in other words, like

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Speaker 3: that's what made Brady so incredible is that he was

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Speaker 3: able to lengthen his career. So while he still had

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Speaker 3: the knowledge, now he built up all the knowledge base

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Speaker 3: and still had the physical skills to go on an

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Speaker 3: unbelievable run. That's what's really freaky about Mahomes is Mahomes

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Speaker 3: think they can. I think they can eventually grow into that,

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Speaker 2: And CJ. Shradd in his first year too, the way

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Speaker 3: That's freaky.

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Speaker 1: And you know that kind of brings you back to

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Speaker 1: just creating these quarterbacks, right, it's so hard.

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Speaker 2: You know, you saw the talent of CJ. Straddohouse State.

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Speaker 1: But within that offense, no one could have believed that

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Speaker 1: the processing level could have been where it is when

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Speaker 1: to see. So as you've learned how to do this,

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Speaker 1: one of the most important things for a quarterback you're

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Speaker 3: The processing is hard to figure out, you know, that's

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Speaker 3: to the point where I kind of just I start

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Speaker 3: So when you've got that, you're going to try and

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Speaker 3: on talking to people around these guys and talking to

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Speaker 3: these guys. If you can't, you know, what kind of

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Speaker 3: Show me? How you know what your plan was during

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Speaker 3: Because everybody say it's all the tape, it's all the tape.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, but at that position, you can't get everything

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Speaker 2: They've kind of told me how to watch tape.

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Speaker 1: something on tape, Daniel, how many times do you have

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Speaker 3: it comes to those things. But I do think, yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: I I get nervous about a player when I've never

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Speaker 3: seen you do it. Of course, I'm asking you to

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Speaker 3: That's when you get in trouble. I'll be willing to

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Speaker 1: their targets? For wide receivers, can you just watch all

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Speaker 1: their targets? Like can you sort? I'm gonna watch all

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Speaker 1: their good plays all their bare plays. Have you changed

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Speaker 1: the way you scat players now that we have all

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Speaker 1: these tools in the sorting ability one?

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Speaker 3: Uh, And to me, it's just about efficiency. You know,

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Speaker 3: if you've got a large number of players to watch,

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Speaker 3: that's you have to find out what's the most valuable

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Speaker 3: use of my time.

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what I'm trying to do too.

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Speaker 3: It's hard, that's and that's why I've done receivers for years.

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Speaker 3: I've done targets. So just I watch all their targets

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Speaker 3: and then I might I might flip on one game

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Speaker 3: to just see him block. Show me you want to see,

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Speaker 3: because I don't need I don't need to. I mean

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Speaker 3: I can see enough in one game to watch block

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Speaker 3: with edge rushers now, you know, instead of instead of

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Speaker 3: maybe watching four games on an edge rusher, I might

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Speaker 3: watch two full games all of his sacks and pressures,

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Speaker 3: and I can see his physical tool set of what

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Speaker 3: he's working with. So it's just ways to be more

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Speaker 3: efficient corners. I've I tend to just because the way

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Speaker 3: the game is now in the league, I ten to

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Speaker 3: watch more full games with corners. You want to tackle, right,

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Speaker 3: You got to tackle. You're just being brought in. You

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Speaker 3: can't avoid that anymore. There's too many condensed formations. They're

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Speaker 3: gonna bring you into the run fit and you're gonna

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Speaker 3: have to tackle, so that position is it takes a

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Speaker 3: little bit longer. Safeties, Uh, this is second year in

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Speaker 3: a row. Now, Safeties, I'll watch a lot of the

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Speaker 3: key plays on them on that function, you can go

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Speaker 3: through the sort it it's a cut up, it's not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, if I had the time, i'd love

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Speaker 3: to just I'd prefer probably go watch five games on

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Speaker 3: a safety to get a feel for him. I just

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Speaker 3: don't have that time to do that. So there's there's

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Speaker 3: there's ways technologies made this a lot more efficient.

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Speaker 2: Safeties and linebackers are the tough ones you kind of.

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Speaker 3: Have to get that. They start that blended the scenery.

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Speaker 1: Daniel, this is great, man, see real quick Giants at six?

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Speaker 1: Do you think just best wide receiver playmaker available? Is

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Speaker 1: that what you're thinking?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna go that direction. I'm hopeful for the

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Speaker 3: Giants that they get a chance to get one of

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Speaker 3: those three stud receivers and then we'll see where they

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Speaker 3: go from there.

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Speaker 2: And if you want a quarterback, you't have to move

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Speaker 2: up to one, right.

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Speaker 3: I think, so they're gonna go one, two, three, I'll

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Speaker 3: be surprised if they don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm with the one hundred percent good stuff, Daniel, see

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Speaker 1: and good luck the rest of the day, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, tell Sean, oh, don't tell Sean anything.

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