1 00:00:15,356 --> 00:00:15,796 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:18,396 --> 00:00:19,116 Speaker 2: Hey, it's Jacob. 3 00:00:19,156 --> 00:00:21,196 Speaker 3: I want to tell you about a new season of 4 00:00:21,316 --> 00:00:24,516 Speaker 3: a show that Pushkin makes with The Financial Times. The 5 00:00:24,556 --> 00:00:26,036 Speaker 3: show is called Hot Money. 6 00:00:26,316 --> 00:00:27,836 Speaker 4: The new season is called. 7 00:00:27,596 --> 00:00:31,396 Speaker 3: The New Narcos, and it's about It's about a lot 8 00:00:31,396 --> 00:00:34,436 Speaker 3: of things. It's about the cocaine business in Europe, it's 9 00:00:34,436 --> 00:00:38,636 Speaker 3: about international sanctions, and it is about murder. It's a 10 00:00:38,636 --> 00:00:41,636 Speaker 3: great show. It's just coming out this week. You can 11 00:00:41,676 --> 00:00:44,276 Speaker 3: get it, as they say, wherever you get your podcasts, 12 00:00:44,316 --> 00:00:46,516 Speaker 3: and we're going to play you the first episode of 13 00:00:46,556 --> 00:00:47,836 Speaker 3: the show right now. 14 00:00:48,196 --> 00:00:54,836 Speaker 2: I hope you like it. I'm Miles Johnson and I'm 15 00:00:54,876 --> 00:00:58,036 Speaker 2: an investigative journalist with the Financial Times. And the story 16 00:00:58,076 --> 00:01:00,396 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you it's not a love story, 17 00:01:00,836 --> 00:01:03,796 Speaker 2: but it starts with a wedding. It's a wedding that 18 00:01:03,836 --> 00:01:08,036 Speaker 2: takes place in Dubai in twenty seventeen. It's a hot 19 00:01:08,036 --> 00:01:11,196 Speaker 2: summer's day. The Burj al Arab one of the most 20 00:01:11,196 --> 00:01:15,316 Speaker 2: expensive hotels in the world. It's a skyscraper shaped like 21 00:01:15,356 --> 00:01:18,236 Speaker 2: the sail of a ship, rising up from the glittering 22 00:01:18,276 --> 00:01:22,436 Speaker 2: water of the Persian Gulf. Guests can arrive across a 23 00:01:22,436 --> 00:01:26,036 Speaker 2: private bridge in the hotel's fleet of rolls, Royce phantoms 24 00:01:26,156 --> 00:01:29,676 Speaker 2: or flyin landing on the helipad on the roof. The 25 00:01:29,756 --> 00:01:32,436 Speaker 2: wedding party that day has been told to keep things 26 00:01:32,516 --> 00:01:37,516 Speaker 2: discreete no photos and no social media. Security is tight. 27 00:01:38,796 --> 00:01:41,556 Speaker 2: The groom is a young Irish entrepreneur and some of 28 00:01:41,556 --> 00:01:44,396 Speaker 2: his most important business partners have come to celebrate his 29 00:01:44,436 --> 00:01:49,116 Speaker 2: big day. But these aren't your average businessmen. Some of 30 00:01:49,156 --> 00:01:53,596 Speaker 2: them hang priceless stolen masterpieces on their walls. They've got 31 00:01:53,676 --> 00:01:58,316 Speaker 2: multiple passports with multiple identities, and they can order the 32 00:01:58,356 --> 00:02:04,036 Speaker 2: assassination of almost anyone anywhere in the world. Because this 33 00:02:04,116 --> 00:02:08,076 Speaker 2: isn't just a wedding, this is an international crime summit. 34 00:02:08,636 --> 00:02:10,716 Speaker 2: It's a met of what will come to be known 35 00:02:10,836 --> 00:02:15,596 Speaker 2: as the Doubai Supercartel, a shadowy criminal network that controls 36 00:02:15,636 --> 00:02:23,476 Speaker 2: a multi billion dollar cocaine empire spanning the globe. Over 37 00:02:23,476 --> 00:02:25,876 Speaker 2: the years, I've written about a lot of different things, 38 00:02:26,196 --> 00:02:29,156 Speaker 2: but more recently you could perhaps describe my beat as 39 00:02:29,196 --> 00:02:33,116 Speaker 2: the places where crime and business collide. I've written about 40 00:02:33,276 --> 00:02:37,196 Speaker 2: Russian billionaires who control private mercenary armies and the Italian 41 00:02:37,236 --> 00:02:40,236 Speaker 2: mafia laundering their cash through the City of London, have 42 00:02:40,396 --> 00:02:44,836 Speaker 2: covered Vatican financial scandals, and spy rings that smuggle microchips. 43 00:02:45,396 --> 00:02:49,276 Speaker 2: Because crime is a business, and modern organized crime groups 44 00:02:49,596 --> 00:02:54,516 Speaker 2: they're increasingly run like multinational companies. They have thousands of employees, 45 00:02:55,076 --> 00:03:00,796 Speaker 2: complicated logistical supply chains, and even investment portfolios. It's a 46 00:03:00,796 --> 00:03:03,796 Speaker 2: big economic story, but you don't usually read about it 47 00:03:03,836 --> 00:03:07,916 Speaker 2: in the business pages because reporting on international crime groups 48 00:03:07,916 --> 00:03:10,996 Speaker 2: in the same way we'd report on a blue chip corporation, well, 49 00:03:10,996 --> 00:03:14,996 Speaker 2: it's hard. Crime bosses they don't usually have pr teams 50 00:03:15,036 --> 00:03:18,356 Speaker 2: you can bring up, and mafias. They don't publish audited 51 00:03:18,356 --> 00:03:22,596 Speaker 2: accounts or glossy annual reports. But the money generated by 52 00:03:22,676 --> 00:03:26,956 Speaker 2: organized crime is vast, and most of the time it's invisible. 53 00:03:27,556 --> 00:03:31,276 Speaker 2: It's like this ocean of shadow cash. We know it's there, 54 00:03:31,636 --> 00:03:34,796 Speaker 2: but we can't ever really see it. It's trillions of 55 00:03:34,836 --> 00:03:38,596 Speaker 2: dollars and it fuels things like weapons, trafficking and war. 56 00:03:39,156 --> 00:03:42,876 Speaker 2: It can even topple governments. And the men celebrating in 57 00:03:42,956 --> 00:03:45,316 Speaker 2: that wedding in Dubai. They've come up with a new 58 00:03:45,356 --> 00:03:48,796 Speaker 2: model of organized crime, and it's become so successful that 59 00:03:48,836 --> 00:03:52,396 Speaker 2: by twenty seventeen, police believe that they control a third 60 00:03:52,396 --> 00:03:55,996 Speaker 2: of Europe's cocaine market worth billions of dollars a year. 61 00:03:57,716 --> 00:04:00,516 Speaker 2: When I first came across to do By Supercartel, it 62 00:04:00,556 --> 00:04:04,316 Speaker 2: seems like something from a film, something almost ridiculous, like 63 00:04:04,476 --> 00:04:08,076 Speaker 2: Specter from James Bond. I needed to find out more, 64 00:04:08,356 --> 00:04:11,156 Speaker 2: so I started talking to people. I met with sources 65 00:04:11,156 --> 00:04:15,436 Speaker 2: in law enforcement, undercover agents, spies. I got hold of 66 00:04:15,556 --> 00:04:19,876 Speaker 2: legal documents and investigative dossiers, and then I realized, this 67 00:04:19,996 --> 00:04:23,076 Speaker 2: isn't just a story about crime. This is a story 68 00:04:23,316 --> 00:04:27,196 Speaker 2: about a secret economic war. It's a story about who 69 00:04:27,236 --> 00:04:30,596 Speaker 2: gets to control how money moves around the world, and 70 00:04:30,636 --> 00:04:33,636 Speaker 2: where the Western governments can keep hold of that power 71 00:04:33,916 --> 00:04:37,876 Speaker 2: as the rules based international order breaks apart. Because I 72 00:04:37,956 --> 00:04:42,396 Speaker 2: discovered that the Dubai Supercartel, they're not just hiding from governments, 73 00:04:42,836 --> 00:04:47,356 Speaker 2: they're working alongside them. But my first clue to understanding 74 00:04:47,436 --> 00:04:50,436 Speaker 2: how this group of criminals became so rich and so 75 00:04:50,636 --> 00:04:53,836 Speaker 2: powerful it took me somewhere that's a million miles away 76 00:04:53,836 --> 00:04:57,196 Speaker 2: from the bling of a Dubai wedding, because one day 77 00:04:57,636 --> 00:04:59,756 Speaker 2: I was speaking to a source and they told me 78 00:04:59,796 --> 00:05:04,156 Speaker 2: something I just really wasn't expecting. They said, if you 79 00:05:04,276 --> 00:05:07,796 Speaker 2: really want to understand how all of this works, you 80 00:05:07,836 --> 00:05:09,676 Speaker 2: have to go and look at a murder in a 81 00:05:09,716 --> 00:05:17,796 Speaker 2: small town in the Netherlands. This is Hot Money Season 82 00:05:17,836 --> 00:05:45,716 Speaker 2: two the New Narcos, episode one, Murder Brokers. 83 00:05:46,916 --> 00:05:49,036 Speaker 5: One of the good things about being a crime reporter 84 00:05:49,436 --> 00:05:52,396 Speaker 5: is that you talk to everyone who wants to talk 85 00:05:52,476 --> 00:05:56,796 Speaker 5: to you, very different people, and I like to do that. 86 00:05:58,436 --> 00:06:02,436 Speaker 2: This is Paul Paul Volks. He's a reporter in Amsterdam 87 00:06:02,796 --> 00:06:05,116 Speaker 2: and for more than twenty years he's been working the 88 00:06:05,116 --> 00:06:08,876 Speaker 2: local crime beat for Het Parole, a daily city newspaper. 89 00:06:10,156 --> 00:06:13,196 Speaker 2: Paul wears black t shirts and a leather jacket and 90 00:06:13,276 --> 00:06:16,436 Speaker 2: has a gold hoop in one ear. He's old school. 91 00:06:16,796 --> 00:06:21,036 Speaker 2: He's not posting hot takes on social media. When I 92 00:06:21,116 --> 00:06:23,676 Speaker 2: first met Paul, he didn't take long before he showed 93 00:06:23,676 --> 00:06:27,916 Speaker 2: me his bike. He rides it everywhere down cobblestone streets 94 00:06:27,916 --> 00:06:31,196 Speaker 2: and squares and along beautiful canals, going to coffee shops 95 00:06:31,276 --> 00:06:34,316 Speaker 2: and bars to meet his sources. But if that sounds 96 00:06:34,316 --> 00:06:36,996 Speaker 2: a bit quaint, there's a fast, seedy aside to Amsterdam 97 00:06:37,236 --> 00:06:40,796 Speaker 2: that keeps a crime reporter like Paul pretty busy. Because 98 00:06:40,836 --> 00:06:43,356 Speaker 2: Amsterdam is famous for his beauty, but it's also well 99 00:06:43,396 --> 00:06:46,316 Speaker 2: known for its red light district. It's relaxed drug laws 100 00:06:46,436 --> 00:06:50,356 Speaker 2: and a vibrant criminal underworld, and that means Paul always 101 00:06:50,356 --> 00:06:55,956 Speaker 2: has plenty to write about. Like all good crime reporters, 102 00:06:56,116 --> 00:06:59,716 Speaker 2: Paul works his beat. He speaks to everyone. He talks 103 00:06:59,756 --> 00:07:04,396 Speaker 2: to police officers, lawyers, the local prosecutor's office. But Paul 104 00:07:04,476 --> 00:07:07,436 Speaker 2: is also always cultivating his underworld sources. 105 00:07:08,356 --> 00:07:11,916 Speaker 5: I tried to build my network step by step because, 106 00:07:12,356 --> 00:07:15,276 Speaker 5: as you might know, as a grime juellist, your colleague 107 00:07:15,396 --> 00:07:18,236 Speaker 5: cannot give you his or her network. That's not possible. 108 00:07:19,196 --> 00:07:22,476 Speaker 2: And he learns early on the criminals well, they care 109 00:07:22,476 --> 00:07:27,116 Speaker 2: about journalistic standards too. A notorious underworld figure reaches out 110 00:07:27,156 --> 00:07:29,236 Speaker 2: to Paul about a mistake he thought he'd made in 111 00:07:29,236 --> 00:07:31,636 Speaker 2: one of his articles because he wanted to set the 112 00:07:31,636 --> 00:07:32,316 Speaker 2: record straight. 113 00:07:33,316 --> 00:07:36,436 Speaker 5: But the first time, of course, I thought where to meet, 114 00:07:36,756 --> 00:07:41,036 Speaker 5: how to meet, how to keep it safe. I learned 115 00:07:41,236 --> 00:07:44,916 Speaker 5: quite fast that some public space as a coffee bar 116 00:07:45,596 --> 00:07:49,476 Speaker 5: is the best place to sit. Or atn airport, where 117 00:07:49,516 --> 00:07:52,076 Speaker 5: everybody knows there are lots of cameras, there's a lot 118 00:07:52,116 --> 00:07:55,436 Speaker 5: of security. Nothing will happen there. You'll know for sure 119 00:07:55,596 --> 00:07:58,916 Speaker 5: that all eyes will be focused on you as a criminal. 120 00:07:58,956 --> 00:08:02,236 Speaker 5: And I we don't fit in, so if something weird 121 00:08:02,276 --> 00:08:05,196 Speaker 5: would happen, everybody would be a witness and they know 122 00:08:05,276 --> 00:08:07,076 Speaker 5: it as well. 123 00:08:07,236 --> 00:08:11,836 Speaker 2: Back in twenty fifteen, Paul is busy covering crime in Amsterdam. Muggings, 124 00:08:12,236 --> 00:08:15,316 Speaker 2: rival gangsters trying to kill each other, batches of dodgy 125 00:08:15,396 --> 00:08:18,396 Speaker 2: drugs that put people's lives in danger. These seem like 126 00:08:18,436 --> 00:08:20,676 Speaker 2: the sort of things you'd imagine happen in any big city. 127 00:08:21,556 --> 00:08:25,316 Speaker 2: Then one morning in December, he gets a call. It's 128 00:08:25,316 --> 00:08:26,516 Speaker 2: from the police department. 129 00:08:27,596 --> 00:08:30,116 Speaker 5: A man in his fifties was shot with one bullet 130 00:08:30,116 --> 00:08:32,876 Speaker 5: in the head and standing next to his fan. Going 131 00:08:32,916 --> 00:08:37,716 Speaker 5: to work from Amsterdam, I went to Almira, which is 132 00:08:37,796 --> 00:08:38,756 Speaker 5: twenty minute rides. 133 00:08:39,396 --> 00:08:43,516 Speaker 2: Is it somewhere you expect there to be shootings, murders? 134 00:08:43,556 --> 00:08:45,596 Speaker 2: You know what sort of areas there's There are lots 135 00:08:45,636 --> 00:08:47,156 Speaker 2: of crime there. What's it like? 136 00:08:47,996 --> 00:08:50,756 Speaker 5: The area and they live in in Almra is just 137 00:08:50,796 --> 00:08:55,196 Speaker 5: a very normal neighborhood with normal working class people. Not 138 00:08:55,356 --> 00:08:56,516 Speaker 5: much trouble over there. 139 00:08:57,636 --> 00:09:00,836 Speaker 2: When Paul arrives, there's already red and white tape blocking 140 00:09:00,836 --> 00:09:02,916 Speaker 2: the area and police have put up a tent to 141 00:09:02,916 --> 00:09:05,396 Speaker 2: cover the body. He gets out of his notebook and 142 00:09:05,436 --> 00:09:09,036 Speaker 2: starts to gather the facts. The victim is called alimtam 143 00:09:09,876 --> 00:09:12,316 Speaker 2: He's fifty six years old and he's an engineer at 144 00:09:12,316 --> 00:09:15,596 Speaker 2: the State Electric Company. He's got a wife, a son. 145 00:09:15,916 --> 00:09:18,356 Speaker 2: He's a family man. But there isn't much else to 146 00:09:18,396 --> 00:09:21,356 Speaker 2: go on. The electrician doesn't seem to have any connection 147 00:09:21,436 --> 00:09:21,876 Speaker 2: to crime. 148 00:09:22,676 --> 00:09:27,676 Speaker 5: All the sources I asked, nobody knew who was this alimotamet. 149 00:09:28,716 --> 00:09:31,116 Speaker 2: To Paul, it just seems to be a random shooting. 150 00:09:31,636 --> 00:09:33,596 Speaker 2: So he heads back to his office and files a 151 00:09:33,596 --> 00:09:37,836 Speaker 2: short story. A few weeks later, his editor asked him 152 00:09:37,836 --> 00:09:40,196 Speaker 2: to write a roundup of the most notable crime stories 153 00:09:40,276 --> 00:09:42,676 Speaker 2: of the last year, and the murder in our mayor 154 00:09:42,836 --> 00:09:45,916 Speaker 2: it doesn't make the cut. Paul goes back to riding 155 00:09:45,916 --> 00:09:49,676 Speaker 2: around on his bike and meeting his sources. But in 156 00:09:49,716 --> 00:09:52,436 Speaker 2: the months after, Paul finds that he can't get the 157 00:09:52,516 --> 00:09:56,236 Speaker 2: Matamid case out of his head. That thing when you 158 00:09:56,276 --> 00:09:58,236 Speaker 2: write a story and you have a nagging voice in 159 00:09:58,276 --> 00:10:02,716 Speaker 2: your head, maybe there's something that I'm missing. Paul's covered 160 00:10:02,716 --> 00:10:06,236 Speaker 2: a lot of murders, but this one it seems weird. 161 00:10:07,036 --> 00:10:09,756 Speaker 2: He can't shake the feeling that something does doesn't quite 162 00:10:09,756 --> 00:10:14,596 Speaker 2: add up. The first thing is the style of the killing. 163 00:10:15,156 --> 00:10:18,116 Speaker 2: It wasn't a sloppy job or a wild act of rage. 164 00:10:18,876 --> 00:10:22,396 Speaker 5: The thing was that one shut through the heads. It's 165 00:10:22,476 --> 00:10:27,636 Speaker 5: not the familiar way of assassinating people. In other assassinations, 166 00:10:27,956 --> 00:10:32,676 Speaker 5: automatic rifles are used, many bullets are shut. 167 00:10:32,836 --> 00:10:35,516 Speaker 2: And then there was the motive. One theory is that 168 00:10:35,636 --> 00:10:38,796 Speaker 2: Mtammed was part of some family feud or had argued 169 00:10:38,796 --> 00:10:41,836 Speaker 2: with a friend. Most of the murders, Paul writes about 170 00:10:41,876 --> 00:10:44,516 Speaker 2: that kind of thing, or criminals killing each other over 171 00:10:44,596 --> 00:10:48,796 Speaker 2: money or tough settling scores. But that didn't really fit 172 00:10:48,916 --> 00:10:51,716 Speaker 2: with the matomic case. So there were other theories. 173 00:10:52,436 --> 00:10:56,356 Speaker 5: Oh, maybe electricians, So maybe he was in hemp business. 174 00:10:56,796 --> 00:10:59,116 Speaker 5: The hemp people they need illegal electricity. 175 00:10:59,956 --> 00:11:03,236 Speaker 2: Hemp is another name for weed, and some weed grows 176 00:11:03,276 --> 00:11:07,236 Speaker 2: in the Netherlands steel electricity to power their operations. Matamed 177 00:11:07,316 --> 00:11:10,276 Speaker 2: was an electrician. Maybe that was his connection to crime. 178 00:11:10,996 --> 00:11:13,556 Speaker 5: Maybe he was a wrong person. That was an idea. 179 00:11:14,436 --> 00:11:18,396 Speaker 2: This seemed like the most plausible explanation, a terrible case 180 00:11:18,396 --> 00:11:23,356 Speaker 2: of mistaken identity. Paul keeps thinking about it as he 181 00:11:23,396 --> 00:11:27,036 Speaker 2: drops into cafes to meet informants about other stories. He 182 00:11:27,116 --> 00:11:28,436 Speaker 2: mentions Ali Muhammad's name. 183 00:11:29,116 --> 00:11:33,356 Speaker 5: Criminals didn't know him policemen didn't know him. I tried 184 00:11:33,356 --> 00:11:35,996 Speaker 5: to do some research, but I didn't get a clue. 185 00:11:36,076 --> 00:11:39,636 Speaker 2: To be honest, as a reporter, you can have dozens 186 00:11:39,636 --> 00:11:43,276 Speaker 2: of meetings that lead to nothing, but once in a while, 187 00:11:43,796 --> 00:11:48,316 Speaker 2: you get lucky. And that's what happens to Paul. Out 188 00:11:48,316 --> 00:11:50,556 Speaker 2: of nowhere, he gets a tip. 189 00:11:51,676 --> 00:11:57,556 Speaker 5: I was talking to some source I knew very well, 190 00:11:58,476 --> 00:12:01,716 Speaker 5: and this source told me just at the second cup 191 00:12:01,756 --> 00:12:05,116 Speaker 5: of coffee and he said, well, you remember this story 192 00:12:05,116 --> 00:12:08,796 Speaker 5: of Ali Modamett. You're working on that still, Yes, you 193 00:12:08,796 --> 00:12:11,276 Speaker 5: should go on and go on and dig and dick, 194 00:12:11,356 --> 00:12:15,196 Speaker 5: because there's a very weird, big story behind this murder. 195 00:12:30,356 --> 00:12:33,116 Speaker 2: Paul wasn't the only person thinking about what happened in 196 00:12:33,156 --> 00:12:34,036 Speaker 2: al Mayor that day. 197 00:12:34,916 --> 00:12:40,676 Speaker 1: I remember this, this shooting December fifteenth. Your really nice 198 00:12:40,716 --> 00:12:43,236 Speaker 1: neighbor got guilt. Nobody knows why. 199 00:12:44,476 --> 00:12:47,356 Speaker 2: At the time, Ula Eliam was involved with the local 200 00:12:47,396 --> 00:12:48,116 Speaker 2: city council. 201 00:12:48,756 --> 00:12:53,156 Speaker 1: So yeah, I remember it was like this mystery for 202 00:12:53,276 --> 00:12:54,916 Speaker 1: people like, well, what happened? 203 00:12:55,876 --> 00:12:59,636 Speaker 2: Uler say, he's this intense guy who locks you into 204 00:12:59,676 --> 00:13:02,956 Speaker 2: his gaze, and he's a sharp dresser. When we meet, 205 00:13:03,076 --> 00:13:06,356 Speaker 2: he's wearing this charcoal suit and a black unbuttoned shirt 206 00:13:06,436 --> 00:13:10,596 Speaker 2: down to his chest. When Alimtamada murdered, Ulis is just 207 00:13:10,636 --> 00:13:14,116 Speaker 2: getting into local politics. He's a spokesperson for safety and 208 00:13:14,156 --> 00:13:16,836 Speaker 2: public order in our mayor where Ali Mttammad was killed. 209 00:13:17,476 --> 00:13:22,596 Speaker 1: What was strange in this case there was nothing and 210 00:13:22,756 --> 00:13:28,276 Speaker 1: this was fueled by the National Police. 211 00:13:27,676 --> 00:13:32,116 Speaker 2: The police appealed on national television for any information that 212 00:13:32,156 --> 00:13:33,316 Speaker 2: the public could give them. 213 00:13:33,796 --> 00:13:35,836 Speaker 1: You have any tips, do you have any suggestions. We 214 00:13:35,956 --> 00:13:37,236 Speaker 1: put out this reward. 215 00:13:37,316 --> 00:13:41,716 Speaker 2: But no one came forward. A year goes by, still nothing. 216 00:13:42,796 --> 00:13:45,356 Speaker 1: I thought, this is getting this is getting a bit weird. 217 00:13:45,916 --> 00:13:49,036 Speaker 1: So we don't have any clues to find the shooters. 218 00:13:49,556 --> 00:13:53,116 Speaker 1: There's no information about the circumstances of the of the shooting. 219 00:13:55,156 --> 00:13:58,756 Speaker 2: Ulissa is particularly interested in this case because Alimtomed, it 220 00:13:58,796 --> 00:14:03,116 Speaker 2: turns out, was born in Iran and Ulersay's own family 221 00:14:03,276 --> 00:14:05,796 Speaker 2: also moved to the Netherlands from Iran around the same 222 00:14:05,796 --> 00:14:06,956 Speaker 2: time that Alimtammid did. 223 00:14:07,756 --> 00:14:12,236 Speaker 1: I'm named after Odysseus, you know, the Greek king, because 224 00:14:12,276 --> 00:14:16,716 Speaker 1: my father he was reading Odysseus and my father was like, okay, 225 00:14:16,756 --> 00:14:18,756 Speaker 1: I lost my home. I don't know where my home 226 00:14:18,796 --> 00:14:20,996 Speaker 1: will be, but I'm sure this baby will find a 227 00:14:21,036 --> 00:14:21,476 Speaker 1: new home. 228 00:14:23,036 --> 00:14:26,596 Speaker 2: Ulissa's father was a critic of the hardline theocracy imposed 229 00:14:26,636 --> 00:14:29,756 Speaker 2: by the new regime in Iran after the revolution. He 230 00:14:29,836 --> 00:14:32,716 Speaker 2: knew his life might be in danger if he stayed. 231 00:14:33,316 --> 00:14:37,076 Speaker 1: He had to go into hiding very fast. He never 232 00:14:37,116 --> 00:14:39,636 Speaker 1: had the chance to say goodbye to his mother, for example, 233 00:14:39,836 --> 00:14:41,276 Speaker 1: because it was too dangerous. 234 00:14:41,916 --> 00:14:44,836 Speaker 2: First his father moved to Afghanistan, where Ulisse was born, 235 00:14:45,636 --> 00:14:48,116 Speaker 2: and then they moved to the Netherlands, eventually settling in 236 00:14:48,196 --> 00:14:51,436 Speaker 2: Al Mayor. Ulysse grew up in the same sleepy suburb 237 00:14:51,436 --> 00:14:53,396 Speaker 2: where Ali Mtamad lived and died. 238 00:14:54,236 --> 00:14:56,676 Speaker 1: I've been living there for twenty years now. And the 239 00:14:56,716 --> 00:14:59,316 Speaker 1: funny thing is, or the special thing, it also relates 240 00:14:59,356 --> 00:15:02,516 Speaker 1: to my history, you know, like it's a new city. 241 00:15:03,316 --> 00:15:06,636 Speaker 1: The province. One of the nicknames is like new Land 242 00:15:06,716 --> 00:15:10,996 Speaker 1: because it's built from water. Yeah, and my family came 243 00:15:11,116 --> 00:15:13,956 Speaker 1: to a new land. It started a new life. So yeah, 244 00:15:14,116 --> 00:15:15,516 Speaker 1: it all connects really nicely. 245 00:15:16,756 --> 00:15:19,996 Speaker 2: Ulisses father became a law professor and he kept speaking 246 00:15:19,996 --> 00:15:23,036 Speaker 2: out against the Iranian regime from his new home. But 247 00:15:23,076 --> 00:15:26,156 Speaker 2: there was a cost, and this became a reality when 248 00:15:26,196 --> 00:15:29,476 Speaker 2: the family moved to Our Mayor. His father started getting 249 00:15:29,516 --> 00:15:31,556 Speaker 2: serious threats at. 250 00:15:31,436 --> 00:15:36,916 Speaker 1: That time, my father received a massive security protection. I 251 00:15:36,956 --> 00:15:41,956 Speaker 1: was young. You're still focused on things you do when 252 00:15:41,956 --> 00:15:45,436 Speaker 1: you're at that age, you know, playing football, trying to 253 00:15:45,556 --> 00:15:49,596 Speaker 1: enjoy life. But yeah, when you see your dad being 254 00:15:49,636 --> 00:15:55,916 Speaker 1: transported with multiple bodyguards, yeah, of course your life changes. 255 00:15:56,876 --> 00:15:59,396 Speaker 2: So decades later, when an Iranian man is shot in 256 00:15:59,436 --> 00:16:03,516 Speaker 2: his hometown, it gets ulysses attention. Even more so when 257 00:16:03,516 --> 00:16:06,916 Speaker 2: police finally share what they've pieced together from CCTV footage, 258 00:16:07,476 --> 00:16:09,836 Speaker 2: it shows that the idea that you Assen's made a 259 00:16:09,836 --> 00:16:14,516 Speaker 2: mistake looks less and less plausible. This was a meticulously 260 00:16:14,516 --> 00:16:21,796 Speaker 2: planned operation. The police report is a difficult read. It's 261 00:16:21,836 --> 00:16:26,596 Speaker 2: a chilling account of a cold, premeditated murder planned over weeks, 262 00:16:27,596 --> 00:16:31,156 Speaker 2: and it reveals that the killers made two failed attempts 263 00:16:31,196 --> 00:16:36,116 Speaker 2: in the days before Alie Mtummed was shot. On December eleventh, 264 00:16:36,236 --> 00:16:39,316 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, at around quarter past six in the morning, 265 00:16:40,356 --> 00:16:43,996 Speaker 2: a blue BMW drives slowly down the dark suburban street. 266 00:16:45,396 --> 00:16:48,716 Speaker 2: The driver stops outside one of the houses and turns 267 00:16:48,756 --> 00:16:54,196 Speaker 2: the car's headlights off. Inside, Alie Mtammed is getting started 268 00:16:54,236 --> 00:16:58,116 Speaker 2: with his day. Usually he leaves his house a quarter 269 00:16:58,156 --> 00:17:02,316 Speaker 2: to seven, but today he has a job nearby, so 270 00:17:02,356 --> 00:17:06,076 Speaker 2: he leaves later at eight thirty am. At about eight am, 271 00:17:06,316 --> 00:17:08,756 Speaker 2: the driver of the BMW turns the car back and 272 00:17:08,836 --> 00:17:15,076 Speaker 2: leaves the street. A few days later, Monday, December fourteenth, 273 00:17:15,516 --> 00:17:20,076 Speaker 2: the BMW arrives again at around quarter past six. It's 274 00:17:20,116 --> 00:17:22,796 Speaker 2: a regular work day, and Mohammed walks out of his 275 00:17:22,836 --> 00:17:26,276 Speaker 2: front door a little before seven. A neighbors also leaving 276 00:17:26,316 --> 00:17:28,796 Speaker 2: their house at the same time, and the driver of 277 00:17:28,836 --> 00:17:36,316 Speaker 2: the BMW spots him and Mhammed and drives off. Tuesday, 278 00:17:36,436 --> 00:17:41,996 Speaker 2: December fifteenth, the BMW appears at six o'clock. Matammid's wife 279 00:17:42,076 --> 00:17:44,636 Speaker 2: and teenage son are asleep upstairs as he steps out 280 00:17:44,636 --> 00:17:47,796 Speaker 2: of his house and shuts the front door. That is 281 00:17:47,876 --> 00:17:53,716 Speaker 2: dark outside. No neighbors around this morning. As the electrician 282 00:17:53,756 --> 00:17:56,276 Speaker 2: walks towards his van, a man walks up behind him 283 00:17:56,476 --> 00:17:59,356 Speaker 2: and shoots him in the head. Mahammed slumps to the 284 00:17:59,356 --> 00:18:02,156 Speaker 2: ground and the shooter gets back in his BMW and 285 00:18:02,196 --> 00:18:03,156 Speaker 2: the car speeds off. 286 00:18:07,676 --> 00:18:10,996 Speaker 1: They hit him directly left with the car, I think, 287 00:18:11,236 --> 00:18:16,076 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, BMW five. They went to the 288 00:18:16,116 --> 00:18:19,996 Speaker 1: specific spot in another part of olmyr burned a car 289 00:18:20,196 --> 00:18:20,756 Speaker 1: and they leave. 290 00:18:21,716 --> 00:18:24,836 Speaker 2: The BMW was found burned out a few miles away, 291 00:18:25,316 --> 00:18:27,636 Speaker 2: and witnesses saw two men walking off. 292 00:18:28,396 --> 00:18:32,236 Speaker 1: There's all the signs of professionals in the criminal circuit, 293 00:18:33,156 --> 00:18:35,476 Speaker 1: so that made it even more strange, like, okay, this 294 00:18:35,556 --> 00:18:38,956 Speaker 1: is really professional, and still we don't have any idea 295 00:18:40,156 --> 00:18:40,996 Speaker 1: why who. 296 00:18:43,476 --> 00:18:45,996 Speaker 2: This is the point that I started to see the 297 00:18:46,036 --> 00:18:49,476 Speaker 2: first liquor, to realize what a murder in a small 298 00:18:49,556 --> 00:18:53,196 Speaker 2: Dutch town could have to do with the supercartel and 299 00:18:53,276 --> 00:18:56,236 Speaker 2: what that could mean. Because Paul has kept on digging 300 00:18:56,596 --> 00:18:58,916 Speaker 2: and he's made an unbelievable discovery. 301 00:18:59,476 --> 00:19:02,556 Speaker 1: And I remember reading it and I think it was 302 00:19:02,876 --> 00:19:06,796 Speaker 1: on a sunny Monday morning, and I immediately I knew. 303 00:19:07,276 --> 00:19:09,556 Speaker 1: I felt in all my body, I know, wow, this 304 00:19:09,756 --> 00:19:11,356 Speaker 1: is crazy. 305 00:19:12,636 --> 00:19:16,476 Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, Paul breaks a big story and it's 306 00:19:16,516 --> 00:19:20,156 Speaker 2: not about the murderers, but it's about the victim. 307 00:19:20,556 --> 00:19:23,796 Speaker 5: I found out that Ali Motamet was not Ali Motamet 308 00:19:23,876 --> 00:19:28,276 Speaker 5: the electrician. He was an electrician, yes, but he lived 309 00:19:28,276 --> 00:19:31,036 Speaker 5: in Holland with a false eye identity. 310 00:19:32,996 --> 00:19:37,996 Speaker 2: Ali Matamed was, in reality and assumed identity the electrician 311 00:19:38,036 --> 00:19:41,036 Speaker 2: from our mayor had been living a secret life, one 312 00:19:41,156 --> 00:19:44,156 Speaker 2: so secret that even some members of his own family 313 00:19:44,276 --> 00:19:45,556 Speaker 2: didn't know who he really was. 314 00:19:46,756 --> 00:19:51,116 Speaker 5: Ali Motamet was Mohammed Reza colahis so many and when 315 00:19:51,116 --> 00:19:53,756 Speaker 5: he was twenty three years old, he plays the bomb 316 00:19:53,996 --> 00:19:59,756 Speaker 5: which blew up seventy four people of the Islamic Republican 317 00:19:59,796 --> 00:20:00,716 Speaker 5: Party in Iran. 318 00:20:03,116 --> 00:20:08,916 Speaker 1: This happened in my city, quite close to where I live, 319 00:20:10,116 --> 00:20:14,356 Speaker 1: and probably the regime, you know, the whole reason I'm 320 00:20:14,436 --> 00:20:20,116 Speaker 1: in Holland. They were able to find someone who they 321 00:20:20,116 --> 00:20:23,876 Speaker 1: were looking for for like at that time, like thirty 322 00:20:23,876 --> 00:20:29,276 Speaker 1: five years, who was like one of their prime targets 323 00:20:29,316 --> 00:20:34,276 Speaker 1: because they wanted to revenge My dad always wanted me. 324 00:20:34,956 --> 00:20:39,716 Speaker 1: They're dangerous, you know, they found him. These are not 325 00:20:40,156 --> 00:20:42,676 Speaker 1: bedtime stories. This is getting real. 326 00:21:00,276 --> 00:21:04,036 Speaker 2: Sometimes you get a glimpse of something, the edge of 327 00:21:04,076 --> 00:21:06,916 Speaker 2: what seems like it might be a much bigger story, 328 00:21:07,436 --> 00:21:09,956 Speaker 2: and it leads you into a whole new place, a 329 00:21:09,996 --> 00:21:12,796 Speaker 2: place where you're not quite sure what's going on, and 330 00:21:12,836 --> 00:21:16,236 Speaker 2: it's hard to know even where to start. That's where 331 00:21:16,276 --> 00:21:19,436 Speaker 2: Paul finds himself after he learns about Ali mctummitt's past. 332 00:21:20,556 --> 00:21:24,396 Speaker 5: I had no sources at all in Iran. I had 333 00:21:24,396 --> 00:21:27,676 Speaker 5: no sources at all in geopolitical world. 334 00:21:28,996 --> 00:21:31,596 Speaker 2: This clearly isn't a local murder case in a small 335 00:21:31,636 --> 00:21:34,956 Speaker 2: town anymore. Paul has been pulled into what looks like 336 00:21:35,076 --> 00:21:38,836 Speaker 2: a targeted assassination plot in the heart of Europe, but 337 00:21:38,916 --> 00:21:43,716 Speaker 2: he doesn't have any proof, just a strong theory. Ulusa 338 00:21:43,876 --> 00:21:46,676 Speaker 2: is looking for answers too. He posts online about the 339 00:21:46,676 --> 00:21:50,156 Speaker 2: case and wonders does anyone know more about Matamad or 340 00:21:50,316 --> 00:21:54,156 Speaker 2: how the Iranian regime might have found him? And Ulusa's 341 00:21:54,196 --> 00:21:56,276 Speaker 2: posts they catch Paul's attention. 342 00:21:57,156 --> 00:22:01,356 Speaker 1: Paul called me, I saw your questions. Let's let's talk. 343 00:22:02,116 --> 00:22:04,996 Speaker 5: After I broke the story, Ulus Elian and I met 344 00:22:05,276 --> 00:22:08,356 Speaker 5: in our mare, had coffee and we tried to make 345 00:22:08,596 --> 00:22:11,996 Speaker 5: plans to find the mystic pieces of the puzzle. How 346 00:22:12,036 --> 00:22:15,156 Speaker 5: can we get more insight in the backgrounds of this. 347 00:22:15,276 --> 00:22:19,956 Speaker 2: Aul the man his neighbors knew as Alimtomid moved to 348 00:22:19,956 --> 00:22:23,356 Speaker 2: the Netherlands in nineteen eighty five, he wouldn't have particularly 349 00:22:23,396 --> 00:22:25,916 Speaker 2: stood out. It was a time when many Iranians were 350 00:22:25,916 --> 00:22:30,916 Speaker 2: fleeing Iran, just like Ulysses father. But Alimtomid wasn't just fleeing, 351 00:22:31,516 --> 00:22:34,676 Speaker 2: He was hiding. He was accused of carrying out the 352 00:22:34,716 --> 00:22:39,436 Speaker 2: biggest terrorist attack in modern Iranian history. This is a 353 00:22:39,476 --> 00:22:42,956 Speaker 2: big deal this bombing in nineteen eighty one. It killed 354 00:22:42,956 --> 00:22:47,156 Speaker 2: a senior Ayatollah, four cabinet ministers, and reportedly dozens of 355 00:22:47,196 --> 00:22:51,316 Speaker 2: other top Iranian officials. Matamd fled Iran after the bombing, 356 00:22:51,436 --> 00:22:54,236 Speaker 2: but was found guilty in absentia and sentenced to death. 357 00:22:56,076 --> 00:22:58,076 Speaker 2: We don't know much about his years in the Netherlands, 358 00:22:58,276 --> 00:23:00,716 Speaker 2: but we do know that he adopted a new identity 359 00:23:01,036 --> 00:23:04,036 Speaker 2: and built a new life. He married a woman who 360 00:23:04,116 --> 00:23:07,676 Speaker 2: was originally from Afghanistan. They had a son, and Matamad 361 00:23:07,716 --> 00:23:11,356 Speaker 2: got a job at the local electric company. For years, 362 00:23:11,636 --> 00:23:14,636 Speaker 2: he led a simple suburban life. He went to work 363 00:23:14,676 --> 00:23:17,396 Speaker 2: at the same time most days. His neighbors thought of 364 00:23:17,436 --> 00:23:21,436 Speaker 2: him as punctual, trustworthy. No one really knew much more 365 00:23:21,436 --> 00:23:25,956 Speaker 2: about him, but secretly, Mahammed knew that the Iranian regime 366 00:23:26,036 --> 00:23:31,076 Speaker 2: was still looking for him, so he was incredibly careful. Reportedly, 367 00:23:31,436 --> 00:23:34,236 Speaker 2: he didn't even tell his wife his true identity until 368 00:23:34,356 --> 00:23:37,996 Speaker 2: a few years before his death, and his son had 369 00:23:38,036 --> 00:23:42,276 Speaker 2: no idea about Matummed's past. I keep thinking about the 370 00:23:42,316 --> 00:23:45,876 Speaker 2: loneliness and the isolation of someone who's bearing this huge 371 00:23:45,876 --> 00:23:48,236 Speaker 2: secret from the people in their life who they're closest to. 372 00:23:49,076 --> 00:23:52,156 Speaker 2: Someone who spent almost his entire adulthood trying to stay 373 00:23:52,196 --> 00:23:54,236 Speaker 2: one step ahead of people he knew were trying to 374 00:23:54,316 --> 00:23:58,436 Speaker 2: kill him. Mahammed was careful to avoid his photograph appearing 375 00:23:58,436 --> 00:24:01,916 Speaker 2: on social media, but not long before his murder he 376 00:24:01,956 --> 00:24:05,036 Speaker 2: seemed to have slipped up. A single photograph of him 377 00:24:05,036 --> 00:24:08,676 Speaker 2: went up on Facebook celebrating his teenage son's high school graduation, 378 00:24:09,756 --> 00:24:13,036 Speaker 2: and months later a BMW pulled up outside his house 379 00:24:13,236 --> 00:24:19,076 Speaker 2: early in the morning. So this is a story I've 380 00:24:19,116 --> 00:24:21,796 Speaker 2: been told to look at the murder of a man 381 00:24:21,996 --> 00:24:25,396 Speaker 2: living a secret life, a man on the run from 382 00:24:25,396 --> 00:24:30,236 Speaker 2: a powerful regime. At this point, I can't see the 383 00:24:30,276 --> 00:24:34,956 Speaker 2: connection between this murder and the Dubai supercartel. But then 384 00:24:34,956 --> 00:24:38,276 Speaker 2: a few months later, something happens that takes us one 385 00:24:38,276 --> 00:24:42,676 Speaker 2: step closer to understanding how all of this works. In 386 00:24:42,716 --> 00:24:46,636 Speaker 2: April twenty sixteen, two Irish detectives arrive at a residential 387 00:24:46,676 --> 00:24:50,436 Speaker 2: address not far from Dublin City Center. They have a 388 00:24:50,476 --> 00:24:52,836 Speaker 2: search warren because they've heard that an apartment in this 389 00:24:52,916 --> 00:24:55,876 Speaker 2: building is being used as a safehouse by Ireland's most 390 00:24:55,916 --> 00:25:02,396 Speaker 2: powerful and dangerous criminal organization. But inside there are no irishmen. Instead, 391 00:25:02,476 --> 00:25:05,076 Speaker 2: the officers find a short man with a large belly 392 00:25:05,156 --> 00:25:09,436 Speaker 2: who speaks only broken English. It's clear the man is rich. 393 00:25:09,556 --> 00:25:14,036 Speaker 2: He's wearing bright blue designer sneakers covered in studs. When 394 00:25:14,036 --> 00:25:17,276 Speaker 2: the detectives searched the flat, they find thirteen thousand euros 395 00:25:17,276 --> 00:25:21,476 Speaker 2: in cash and two Rolex watches. What's less clear is 396 00:25:21,476 --> 00:25:26,676 Speaker 2: his identity. He has two different IDs, one Dutch one Belgian, 397 00:25:27,116 --> 00:25:28,276 Speaker 2: each with a different name. 398 00:25:30,236 --> 00:25:33,316 Speaker 4: I remember the morning on which he was arrested, and 399 00:25:33,356 --> 00:25:35,316 Speaker 4: I can tell you nobody knew who he was. 400 00:25:36,196 --> 00:25:40,276 Speaker 2: Shamus Boland is Detective Chief Superintendent in the Irish Police Force. 401 00:25:40,596 --> 00:25:42,396 Speaker 2: His officers raided the apartment that day. 402 00:25:42,996 --> 00:25:47,676 Speaker 4: He was arrested for a possession of false documents and 403 00:25:47,836 --> 00:25:50,356 Speaker 4: there was no certainty aboute his identity at all. 404 00:25:51,196 --> 00:25:53,476 Speaker 2: The police take him to the station and send his 405 00:25:53,516 --> 00:25:56,956 Speaker 2: fingerprints and photo off to law enforcement agencies around the world. 406 00:25:57,836 --> 00:26:03,636 Speaker 4: It's following his arrest and US issuing an assistance request 407 00:26:03,836 --> 00:26:08,076 Speaker 4: across Europe that within a number of errors, the Dutch 408 00:26:08,116 --> 00:26:11,236 Speaker 4: police were in touch with Ustin Day identified him from 409 00:26:11,356 --> 00:26:16,036 Speaker 4: the photographs and fingerprints immediately, and senior Dutch police officers 410 00:26:16,076 --> 00:26:18,036 Speaker 4: bordered a plane immediately and flew to Dublin. 411 00:26:19,996 --> 00:26:23,356 Speaker 2: The Dutch police know who the man is, so does 412 00:26:23,396 --> 00:26:23,956 Speaker 2: Paul Vooks. 413 00:26:24,596 --> 00:26:27,836 Speaker 5: He was very well known and notorious in the Amsterdam 414 00:26:27,956 --> 00:26:29,356 Speaker 5: crime scene. 415 00:26:29,476 --> 00:26:32,756 Speaker 2: His name is now for Fassy and Paul calls him 416 00:26:32,796 --> 00:26:37,156 Speaker 2: by his nickname Noel. He's wanted for a string of 417 00:26:37,236 --> 00:26:38,356 Speaker 2: drug related murders. 418 00:26:39,596 --> 00:26:43,836 Speaker 5: He was seen as a guy would do anything for money, 419 00:26:44,156 --> 00:26:47,356 Speaker 5: who would be able to do very serious crimes without 420 00:26:47,436 --> 00:26:48,316 Speaker 5: blinking his eyes. 421 00:26:49,436 --> 00:26:52,596 Speaker 2: Paul doesn't know it yet and ordered the police. But 422 00:26:52,676 --> 00:26:56,236 Speaker 2: the man who sent two assassins to murder, Alimtamid, it 423 00:26:56,356 --> 00:26:59,956 Speaker 2: was no for not as a murder broker, he can 424 00:27:00,036 --> 00:27:03,196 Speaker 2: arrange the killing of anyone anywhere with just a couple 425 00:27:03,276 --> 00:27:06,916 Speaker 2: of messages sent from his phone. And the people hiding 426 00:27:06,956 --> 00:27:10,316 Speaker 2: the murder broker in their Dublin safe house, Shamus knows 427 00:27:10,396 --> 00:27:11,596 Speaker 2: exactly who they are. 428 00:27:12,716 --> 00:27:15,996 Speaker 4: That organized crime group has been the primary group for 429 00:27:16,236 --> 00:27:19,396 Speaker 4: the last twenty twenty five years that built the networks 430 00:27:19,556 --> 00:27:23,116 Speaker 4: supplying drugs and firearms of this jurisdiction without a dot. 431 00:27:25,436 --> 00:27:28,636 Speaker 2: That organized crime group, the people who are hiding the 432 00:27:28,716 --> 00:27:31,636 Speaker 2: murder broker in their safehouse, They're at the heart of 433 00:27:31,636 --> 00:27:35,316 Speaker 2: the supercartel. They're the men who gathered that day for 434 00:27:35,396 --> 00:27:38,916 Speaker 2: the wedding in the luxury hotel in Dubai. But if 435 00:27:38,996 --> 00:27:42,716 Speaker 2: Ulasa is right, this isn't just a murder, This is 436 00:27:42,756 --> 00:27:46,596 Speaker 2: a state sponsored assassination and it raises a big question. 437 00:27:47,916 --> 00:27:53,076 Speaker 5: What is the link between no Fall, the Broker and Irang. 438 00:27:55,116 --> 00:27:58,556 Speaker 2: Why would a hit man working with top cocaine traffickers 439 00:27:59,036 --> 00:28:03,556 Speaker 2: murder someone apparently on behalf of a government And if 440 00:28:03,556 --> 00:28:06,436 Speaker 2: that's what happened, what does that tell us about the 441 00:28:06,436 --> 00:28:12,036 Speaker 2: transformation of international organized crime? To find out, We're going 442 00:28:12,076 --> 00:28:15,556 Speaker 2: to Ireland to talk to someone who's been following the 443 00:28:15,556 --> 00:28:20,716 Speaker 2: family at the heart of the supercartel. From the very start, you. 444 00:28:20,756 --> 00:28:25,276 Speaker 6: Don't know if somebody behind that door has a gun. 445 00:28:25,916 --> 00:28:29,236 Speaker 6: The adrenaline is flowing, you know, your heart is racing. 446 00:28:30,196 --> 00:28:31,396 Speaker 6: Anything could go wrong. 447 00:28:49,476 --> 00:28:51,956 Speaker 2: Hot Money is a production of The Financial Times and 448 00:28:52,036 --> 00:28:55,876 Speaker 2: Pushkin Industries. It was written and reported by me Miles Johnson, 449 00:28:56,156 --> 00:28:58,556 Speaker 2: and if you've got any leads or information about this story, 450 00:28:58,636 --> 00:29:02,516 Speaker 2: you can email me at new narcost ft dot com. 451 00:29:02,716 --> 00:29:06,036 Speaker 2: The series producer is Peggy Sutton. Edith Russello is the 452 00:29:06,076 --> 00:29:11,036 Speaker 2: associate producer. 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