Speaker 1: Hello, back dolcast listeners will Me, Caitlin and me Jamie. Wow.
Speaker 1: This is one of our live recordings from our tour
Speaker 1: earlier this year. This is our George of the Jungle episode.
Speaker 1: We recorded it live in San Francisco, where some slash
Speaker 1: most of George of the Jungle takes place. Yes, and
Speaker 1: we did it for SF Sketch Fest at the Gateway Theater.
Speaker 1: So thanks to them for having us, Thanks to Cole
Speaker 1: Stratton for including us in the festival. We always have
Speaker 1: a great time, and thanks to everyone who went. It
Speaker 1: was it was so much fun because that was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you've heard of this
Speaker 1: little thing called COVID nineteen, but this show was postponed
Speaker 1: I think for three years or two at least two
Speaker 1: years sometimes, so it was really lovely to be back
Speaker 1: with everybody in safe and wonderful space and we were
Speaker 1: just really thrilled to be there. And this was pre
Speaker 1: Brendan Frasier having an oscar. So I'm pretty sure we're
Speaker 1: talking about this as if we don't know, because we
Speaker 1: don't know, because that's how the past works. Yes, so
Speaker 1: thank you to everyone who came to the show. We
Speaker 1: will be releasing other live episodes we recorded on this
Speaker 1: tour in the coming weeks and months. And here's the
Speaker 1: thing about those, the next few episodes that are coming out.
Speaker 1: There are shows we recorded live in Portland and we
Speaker 1: had wonderful guests. We had Sarah Marshall for the Gooneyes episode,
Speaker 1: and we had Robert Evans for the Hannah Montana the
Speaker 1: Movie episode. We also live streamed those episodes, and there
Speaker 1: are things that happened in the live show that we
Speaker 1: will cut out of the audio episode that will be
Speaker 1: released on the main feed, just because they didn't translate
Speaker 1: well to audio and because we're withholding assholes. It's true.
Speaker 1: But but but you want to see the live stream,
Speaker 1: you can buy like tickets slash access to see those
Speaker 1: shows on demand. Yes, so if you want to like
Speaker 1: see the extra special, like the fun little activities we did,
Speaker 1: including Jamie accidentally throwing a knife. Oh, thank you for
Speaker 1: saying it, thank you for plugging. Yes, that's in the
Speaker 1: Hand of Montana episode. We also do a treasure hunt
Speaker 1: and give Sarah Marshall a chocolate box full of hot dogs.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of fun visual gags that you won't
Speaker 1: get and so you so if you'd like to see
Speaker 1: it and just get a preview of those episodes, you
Speaker 1: can purchase the video to those episodes individually on our
Speaker 1: link tree, which will link below. Unfortunately, there's no video
Speaker 1: of the George of the Jungle episode, which is a
Speaker 1: shame because we more really funny hats at one point.
Speaker 1: We really did. But you will hear that segment in
Speaker 1: the episode that you're listening to right now. A quick
Speaker 1: note about it is that it kind of abruptly cuts
Speaker 1: off toward the end of the show as we are
Speaker 1: giving our nipple ratings. Most of the episode is intact,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's not a becdelcast live show without
Speaker 1: some technical difficulty. So it's true the grand tradition continuing continues.
Speaker 1: But we had so much, like truly, truly, truly, so
Speaker 1: much fun at this show. Thanks again to everyone who
Speaker 1: is there, and I think you'll be able to hear
Speaker 1: our enthusiasm through the podcast. Work well. Enjoy the show, Enjoy.
Speaker 1: On the bedl cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands?
Speaker 1: Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zeph and Vast start
Speaker 1: changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hi, welcome to the Beckdelcast. Wow.
Speaker 1: Hi you Sam Francisco. How are you? Uh? Hi Jamie, Hi,
Speaker 1: Caitlin right now? Hello? What's our friend Bryant? What he knows?
Speaker 1: We have a show? Right? This doesn't pass the well
Speaker 1: all right, that was a sting operation. He called it,
Speaker 1: that exact moment to fuck with us. We were gonna
Speaker 1: have a perfect, uninterrupted discussion about no men the whole time. Well,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Thanks for going out. My name
Speaker 1: is Caitlin Dronte. Yeah. Hello, Oh my name is Jamie Loftus. Wow.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad your applause wasn't louder than mine. It
Speaker 1: was just exact same it would have been. It's always
Speaker 1: a chilling moment where you're like, what are we gonna do? Um?
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is our this is our podcast where
Speaker 1: we take an intersectional look at your favorite move vs.
Speaker 1: And today we brought you a San Francisco classic question mark. Honestly,
Speaker 1: the thing is with this show is it's been on
Speaker 1: for a pretty long time, and um, what you know,
Speaker 1: we we've done the Princess Diaries, We've done the Social Network,
Speaker 1: we did the Social Network. In this very theater. Was
Speaker 1: anyone here at that show? Welcome Hi, welcome back. Um,
Speaker 1: this one is going to be just as serious as
Speaker 1: a social network, and I think have equal social impact
Speaker 1: on the current climate. You know, George or the Jungle
Speaker 1: used to be called the George or the Jungle, and
Speaker 1: then they drop the the and now it's just now
Speaker 1: it's just George of the Jungle. Oh that got a
Speaker 1: bigger laugh out of me than I was expecting. It's
Speaker 1: pretty good. Um so, but yeah, we are covering San
Speaker 1: Francisco classic George of the Jungle. Who's seen it? Oh?
Speaker 1: We got some George heads in the house. Has anyone
Speaker 1: not seen George of the Jungle? Round of applause? WHOA, Okay,
Speaker 1: the proud, the holdouts. Um, I genuinely, you're you're missing out.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a pretty fun movie. It's true. Um.
Speaker 1: Shall we say what the Bechtel Test is? I guess so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. It's a mediametric created by a queer cartoonist,
Speaker 1: Alison Bechtel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace Test. Yes, there
Speaker 1: are many versions of the test. Ours is as follows.
Speaker 1: Two people of a marginalized gender have to speak to
Speaker 1: each other about something other than a man. It's nice
Speaker 1: if they have names, it's nice if their conversation is substantial.
Speaker 1: Does it happen often? No? But in George of the Jungle, interestingly,
Speaker 1: it happens when Holland Taylor asks Leslie Man what her
Speaker 1: vagina was like after after returning from the Jungle. From
Speaker 1: whence George came the context of this, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like this movie is PG, but I feel like
Speaker 1: they're really stretching it to the very limit. There's they're
Speaker 1: talking about like raw sacks at multiple points. There's a
Speaker 1: whole scene. There are several scenes where multiple women are like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Georgia the Jungle would fuck and or
Speaker 1: they're like he has the biggest dong I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: They all but cut to it, like the way that
Speaker 1: the camera is. I like, I don't know who the
Speaker 1: cinematographer in this movie is, Roger Deakins. So I just
Speaker 1: had the most disgusting thought of my entire life. I
Speaker 1: can't say it a lot, but um, you know that
Speaker 1: you know the tunnel from Shawshank Redemption, Yes, I something something.
Speaker 1: Georgia the Jungle's penis you navigate through it much less
Speaker 1: that's okay, I should um, I should be locked up?
Speaker 1: That was that was a bad way to start the show.
Speaker 1: Um No, But there are sometimes the camera is angled
Speaker 1: so close to like his like pelvis bone, that you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, is it gonna a rare vie? Are
Speaker 1: out like Jig Saw, a rare movie that's about a
Speaker 1: head of row romance where the man is far more
Speaker 1: sexualized than the woman. Oh, time and time and time again,
Speaker 1: which doesn't make it the right decision. I feel like
Speaker 1: that that's We'll have a whole discussion about that. Where
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, we're just sort of not
Speaker 1: we specifically, but as a culture we are emerging from
Speaker 1: the binary flip culture is like, oh yeah, just oppress
Speaker 1: someone else. You're like, well, no, don't do that. Um
Speaker 1: but I did love the scene where George confidently wears
Speaker 1: a dress and a hat. Yes, they shouldn't let him
Speaker 1: just wear his damn dress. That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looked good in our money as well, but why not?
Speaker 1: Why not both? Look, we're getting ahead of ourselves. No,
Speaker 1: we're so thrilled to have you here, and we're really
Speaker 1: excited to be talking about cinematic classic George of the Jungle.
Speaker 1: We love movies from nineteen ninety seven everything. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, Jamie,
Speaker 1: what is your relationship your history with George of the Jungle. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't remember seeing this movie in theaters.
Speaker 1: I feel like I maybe did when I was really little,
Speaker 1: but I just remember watching it growing up. I remember.
Speaker 1: I don't even think I had Like I think the
Speaker 1: movie is like encouraging you to have a crush on George,
Speaker 1: but I didn't even have a crush on George. I
Speaker 1: just thought that he seemed really nice. I feel like
Speaker 1: that is like one of the beautiful I know. I
Speaker 1: know that, like it's currently trendy to be obsessed with
Speaker 1: Brendan Fraser, but like I mean, I'm not even like
Speaker 1: hyper fix it. He's like not Alfred Molina to me,
Speaker 1: but like you know who is very few people are.
Speaker 1: It's really just the one guy. But Brendan Fraser, I like,
Speaker 1: even when I was like a little kid, he was
Speaker 1: just like a very like friendly and calming presence in
Speaker 1: a way that I feel like there were like a
Speaker 1: fair amount of actors like that in the nineties. And
Speaker 1: we've talked about him on the show before is kind
Speaker 1: of like a character actor to like his bones. But
Speaker 1: when you're like movies start conventionally handsome and you can
Speaker 1: do character actor stuff, people get confused and they don't
Speaker 1: know what to do with you. Um, but I just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I really loved this movie. And I I
Speaker 1: think I just had a crush on everybody except Lyle.
Speaker 1: And yeah, not no disrespect to Thomas Hayden Church. Um,
Speaker 1: you know I love Spider Man three, do you? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: I do, but I mean, but I mean, he does
Speaker 1: a good job. However, it's a hard act to follow,
Speaker 1: villain wise because yeah, and a lot of people are
Speaker 1: slowly connecting the dots and others, well, they don't have
Speaker 1: two brands up together. I don't know. It's Alfred fucking
Speaker 1: Molina as doctor Octopus Chidas in four. Anyway, someone snorted,
Speaker 1: and I celebrate that. Yeah, we love it. Do it again,
Speaker 1: scary m Caitlyn, whats your I just I just loved it.
Speaker 1: I watched it. Um, I think that there were there
Speaker 1: was a sort of a mini renaissance of children's gorilla movies,
Speaker 1: because I also watched Mighty Joe Young a lot. Oh sure, Well,
Speaker 1: there's a sexy blonde woman and a big gorilla and
Speaker 1: and a hot guy nearby. They were going to show
Speaker 1: that to six year olds. Does anyone remember Dunstan checks in?
Speaker 1: Because that was around this time as well. I believe
Speaker 1: that it. Yeah, what is that Forgive me? This is
Speaker 1: a movie about an orangutan named Dunston. Okay, I think
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in thirty years. No, No, here's
Speaker 1: my question. Is he checking in? I think a hotel? Oh? Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. And that's the power of collaborative
Speaker 1: work exactly. My favorite UM, not that you asked, but
Speaker 1: my other favorite UM celebrity h celebrity primate movie was
Speaker 1: this was a direct to This was I think a
Speaker 1: part of the Airbud cinematic universe. But there were two
Speaker 1: movies that I can remember. I don't remember what the
Speaker 1: name of the monkey was, but it was called MVP
Speaker 1: Most Valuable Primate and it was about I think a
Speaker 1: chimpanzee that joins a hockey team, which checks so many
Speaker 1: boxes for me that I left my body because it's
Speaker 1: like he's looking at this amboni, He's like oh like
Speaker 1: and I was like losing my shit. And then they
Speaker 1: did a direct to video sequel to the direct video
Speaker 1: sequel MVP, but this time he's skateboarding and he it's
Speaker 1: a most Vertical Prime, right, which is you've spoken of
Speaker 1: these movies before. That's how I know about that. We
Speaker 1: gotta cover MVP month. It'll be like Miracle and Most
Speaker 1: Vertical prim Not even Mighty Ducks. No, no, I mean
Speaker 1: they didn't even have that was an all human team boom,
Speaker 1: Where are the Ducks? I feel like in nineties kids
Speaker 1: movies that is not off the table. For some reason,
Speaker 1: animals were joining sports teams. It was an epidemic and
Speaker 1: people were exploiting it. It wasn't right. It wasn't moos
Speaker 1: fucked up, but this is I would say it was.
Speaker 1: It was a childhood favorite. But as far as um
Speaker 1: a primate comedy for children, it was maybe three or
Speaker 1: four on my list. Kaitlyncher, what was your history of
Speaker 1: Georgia the Jungle. I think there's a very good chance
Speaker 1: I saw this at a drive in movie theater in
Speaker 1: nineteen I know, impressive. A lot of people were like yeah,
Speaker 1: because I would have been like eleven at the time,
Speaker 1: and I was kind of the target demo and this
Speaker 1: is a movie that it's been with me since its inception.
Speaker 1: What is the subtext to what you just said? I
Speaker 1: don't know. It was a movie of my childhood. I
Speaker 1: watched it quite a bit in the late nineties, but
Speaker 1: not since then, so it was fun to revisit. Though.
Speaker 1: They made a direct to DVD sequel of this movie
Speaker 1: with kind of my favorite genre. I think there should
Speaker 1: be a whole podcast about this genre where it's like
Speaker 1: sequel where none of the cast was interested in returning,
Speaker 1: and then it's like some poor I don't know who
Speaker 1: it becomes George of the Jungle, but there's no way
Speaker 1: he isn't fighting for his life the entire time, just
Speaker 1: desperately trying to evoke Brendan Fraser, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: should we do that? Podcast? Should be no? No, okay, no,
Speaker 1: we should do um we should we should do the
Speaker 1: primates in sports podcasts? Okay, fair? Yeah, fair. It's like
Speaker 1: when we did a show in London once brag ever
Speaker 1: heard of it, um, and for some reason the venue
Speaker 1: just put on the Marquee Women in Film podcast. It
Speaker 1: was like they like looked at the title of their
Speaker 1: show and they're like, no, they've punched it up without asking. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: should I do the recap? Do the recap Georgi or
Speaker 1: the Jungle? Okay, so we get some animated backstory slash,
Speaker 1: a credit sequence where we learn about a plane wreck
Speaker 1: in which a baby was left behind in the jungles
Speaker 1: of Africa. Where in Africa unclear, we'll get there. We
Speaker 1: we outsourced that work. We had some research done for us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did that. That is like I love when a
Speaker 1: movie has an animated opening sequence. It didnt makes sense
Speaker 1: for this because George of the Jungle was a Saturday
Speaker 1: morning cartoon in the late sixties that only aired for
Speaker 1: seventeen episodes, and yet it's famous. I don't understand that.
Speaker 1: Who knows it doesn't make sense, but I do. But there's,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like a lost Pilot situation. I
Speaker 1: mean the show Lost. Oh yeah, it's like if Lost happened,
Speaker 1: but everyone was saved and no one looks for a baby. Correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So this baby gets left behind, and this, of course
Speaker 1: is George of the Jungle, and thank you so much.
Speaker 1: That's his Christian name. He does introduce himself that way,
Speaker 1: or he introduces himself as George Primate, which is also
Speaker 1: comedy genius. Look, I was laughing the way that Brandon
Speaker 1: Frazier sometimes says things and he's like leading with his teeth.
Speaker 1: You're like, I guess I'm laughing. Or and then Holland Taylor,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's how did they get Holland Taylor
Speaker 1: in this damn movie? She's a living legend. And then
Speaker 1: she's they're like, you're the mom and Georgia the Jungle's
Speaker 1: she's a professional. Look she read the script and she's like,
Speaker 1: this is good, this is this will endure. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: woman has an eye. Um okay. So baby George is
Speaker 1: raised by animals. He swings around on vines, he crashes
Speaker 1: into trees famously. Right we cut two twenty five years later.
Speaker 1: George of the Jungle is now Brennan Fraser. But before
Speaker 1: we really see him, we meet Ursula. That's Leslie Mann,
Speaker 1: who is on vacation in the jungle nearby. How clear
Speaker 1: was that to you? Because I was like I wasn't
Speaker 1: clear if like she was a documentarian that was so
Speaker 1: bad at it, or if she was making home videos
Speaker 1: or like what she was doing. And then it's like
Speaker 1: later clarify, like she is the most trust fund kid
Speaker 1: to ever trust Fund kid. Yes, yeah, I think she's
Speaker 1: just a rich lady on vacation, and so she is
Speaker 1: guided by Quam played by Richard Rowntree and Shaft, Yes, unbelievable,
Speaker 1: and a few of his colleagues. Then Ursula's asshole fiance, Lyle,
Speaker 1: played by Thomas Hayden Church shows up. Oh, such camp. Yes,
Speaker 1: we were talking about this backstage. Lyle has a shade
Speaker 1: of blonde that only existed in this calendar year. It's
Speaker 1: like Jack Dawson's Sandy Blonde. You couldn't get it outside
Speaker 1: of ninety six. It was released in ninety seven, and
Speaker 1: by that time it wasn't available. It's like qua ludes
Speaker 1: for hair. Yes, all true? Okay. So, so Lyle shows
Speaker 1: up unexpectedly with two poachers, Max and Thor, and they
Speaker 1: have heard tell of the legendary white ape. Lyle thinks
Speaker 1: it's bogus. The poachers want to capture it for money,
Speaker 1: and they all set off to go and try and
Speaker 1: see some apes, and Lyle takes Ursula further into the
Speaker 1: jungle by themselves. A lion shows up and Lyle trips
Speaker 1: and is knocked unconscious. Immediately, so Lyle is so like
Speaker 1: he's such a flop that it starts to look intentional,
Speaker 1: like like there were a few points where and it
Speaker 1: was like maybe my own like internalized patriarchy where I'm like,
Speaker 1: surely there must be a greater plan at work here.
Speaker 1: He couldn't be bad at so many things, but he
Speaker 1: really is so bad at so many things. And I
Speaker 1: really I loved that, unlike a lot of movie because
Speaker 1: it's like movie is like pretty meta and self aware
Speaker 1: of itself, which is like true to the cartoon because
Speaker 1: it was like originally a cartoon that was meant to
Speaker 1: make fun of Tarzan. But I liked it. From moment one,
Speaker 1: Ursula very visibly does not like him. It doesn't want
Speaker 1: Like he walks out, he's like babe, and she's like,
Speaker 1: oh no, brutal yep. So this lion is about to
Speaker 1: attack Ursula, but just then George of the Jungle shows up.
Speaker 1: He swings in and he saves Ursula and he carries
Speaker 1: her off after he and the lion have had a
Speaker 1: goofy fight or maybe even and it's an extremely fight. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: improved upon the original. I love. And then Brendan Fraser,
Speaker 1: I wonder if like he was just warming, like it
Speaker 1: felt like he was in a way auditioning for a
Speaker 1: later movie. He did Louie Tunes back in action. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Brendan Fraser really knows how to like interact with ultimately
Speaker 1: whatever is like the tennis ball in front of him. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's a rare skill and he can really do
Speaker 1: really nails it. Yeah, he was spinning that lion like
Speaker 1: a basketball on his little finger. It's impressive. Okay. So
Speaker 1: then Ursula wakes up in George's tree house, where she
Speaker 1: is properly introduced to George. She also meets George's friend Ape,
Speaker 1: a talking gorilla voiced by John Cleese, and you're just like,
Speaker 1: I guess, so, like this is like an interesting I
Speaker 1: mean because John Cleese, if you know anything about his
Speaker 1: personal politics, like he can absolutely light himself on fire,
Speaker 1: you know. But this is like an interesting era for
Speaker 1: like Monty Python actors where they were just in American
Speaker 1: children's movies, like serially because it's like I think best
Speaker 1: by Eric Idol and Casper, right, but they were just
Speaker 1: like a pop from the crowd for Eric Idle and Casper,
Speaker 1: I mean Eric Idol and Kathy Moriarty and Casper. There's
Speaker 1: a kind of like, uh, like they didn't kiss, but
Speaker 1: you're like, why not? But that was like kind of
Speaker 1: what was so sexy about it? Exactly? But we already
Speaker 1: did that episode. Okay, So we meet Ape and Ursula
Speaker 1: faints because women be fainting, right, but don't forget Caitlin.
Speaker 1: She then faints again, yes, multiple times, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Then George notices that Ursula has boobs and realizes for
Speaker 1: the first time that she is a woman because he
Speaker 1: has never seen a human woman before, and then he
Speaker 1: licks her face. Look Ape, Okay, I think that people
Speaker 1: will Galaxy brain this and be like, well he doesn't
Speaker 1: understand human behavior, and you're like, okay, true, but Ape
Speaker 1: seems too Why does this Ape has books about it?
Speaker 1: Ape appears to be a Rhodes scholar. Surely he would
Speaker 1: have told George not to lick someone's face at some point,
Speaker 1: So I think that point is moot and George was
Speaker 1: was acting out of pocket there. He was wrong to
Speaker 1: lick her face. We talked about this earlier too, but
Speaker 1: George has I don't think, like as bad as what
Speaker 1: I'm about to compare it to. But George has a
Speaker 1: real watching women's sleep issue. Uh huh. I do like
Speaker 1: I'm glad it no longer really exists, but the filmic
Speaker 1: language of man watching woman's sleep as a way of
Speaker 1: saying I love you and not like I'm planning on
Speaker 1: how to murder you is kind of a lost art
Speaker 1: for him. And yeah, and Brendan Frasier is looking at
Speaker 1: Leslie man it's like very Edward Culin. Yes. Yeah, He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't sleepy, don't do that. Okay. So then Ursula
Speaker 1: wakes up and she's like, oh, I have to get
Speaker 1: back to my fiance. And then George is like, he's like,
Speaker 1: i'll help you. So then he calls his dog, Shep,
Speaker 1: who is actually an Ella hint and George, Yeah, were
Speaker 1: you laughing? I mean yeah, I was laughing every time
Speaker 1: the worst joke ever happened. I was laughing, laughing, laughing.
Speaker 1: An elephant isn't a dog. It's funny and that's comedy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the elephant had a milk bone at one point, and
Speaker 1: then the narrator says, don't do that. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: I was laughing more. And that's a good joke. I
Speaker 1: agree with that. I couldn't write that, okay. So then
Speaker 1: George and Ursula set out to search for Lyle and
Speaker 1: the others. Meanwhile, Lyle has gone back to Kwame and
Speaker 1: the other guides and they are searching for Ursula. But
Speaker 1: Ursula is having a really good time with George. She's like,
Speaker 1: not in a rush to get back to Lyle, who
Speaker 1: she famously hate hates. Yeah, And she and George are frolicking.
Speaker 1: They talk to a toucan, they talk to a monkey.
Speaker 1: He teaches her how to swing on vines. And George
Speaker 1: is developing a crush on Ursula and he tries to
Speaker 1: seduce her using some guerrilla techniques that Ape taught him.
Speaker 1: We'll see. Here's here's where what I just said it
Speaker 1: turns out to be demonstrably wrong because Ape does only
Speaker 1: what are apes books about? Okay? I because I don't
Speaker 1: think that, like, are there a lot of books about
Speaker 1: like here's how apes flirt? Like I don't understand. Here's
Speaker 1: my theory. After watching the movie three times to prep
Speaker 1: for this episode. I think Ape knows because he's like,
Speaker 1: Ape is like, oh, you gotta like puff out your
Speaker 1: cheeks and throw leaves around and like make all these
Speaker 1: noises and stuff. I think Ape is goofing on him.
Speaker 1: I think he knows that that's not going to work. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: you think Apes fucking with it? Yeah, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that is kind of brilliant and very cruel. For the
Speaker 1: first time he's met one of his own species and
Speaker 1: it's like, let me just fuck around. But but I
Speaker 1: guess I guess that that is kind of funny. Do
Speaker 1: you think I was like, maybe he was just my
Speaker 1: theory when he didn't appear to be learning from I
Speaker 1: was like, well, maybe he's just reading a series of
Speaker 1: unfortunate events, you know, like maybe he's reading fiction and
Speaker 1: so he's not really learning. Maybe he's watching Hollywood movies
Speaker 1: and would have no idea what romance is, Like maybe
Speaker 1: maybe he has a VHS player. Well, because when when
Speaker 1: George comes back and he's like, oh, Ape, that didn't
Speaker 1: work at all, Ape is like, oh really, like he
Speaker 1: kind of knows he what's wrong with him. I don't
Speaker 1: know who would lie to Brendan Frasier. That's fucked, I know,
Speaker 1: I know. Okay, So Pla and George they're having a
Speaker 1: great time. He's developing a crush and then they have
Speaker 1: this romantic moment and a dance. He gets hurt of
Speaker 1: dance with a scene that it's a good scene, and
Speaker 1: then Lyle and his goons abandoned Quame and the others,
Speaker 1: and they find George or the Jungle and Lyle accidentally
Speaker 1: shoots him. Cut to George and Ursula on a plane
Speaker 1: taking him to the US, specifically San Francisco. Ever heard
Speaker 1: of it? There again, just to shout out another hilarious,
Speaker 1: hilarious joke in this hilarious movie. When George gets shot,
Speaker 1: it freezes, and then the narrators like, we can't kill
Speaker 1: George the hero. He's our hero. He gotta bring him
Speaker 1: to San Francisco and we gotta do you know mayor
Speaker 1: Willie Brown's nine millionth cameo of this era in children's movies.
Speaker 1: It is truly the fact that he got into Prince's
Speaker 1: diary and George of the Jungle, I mean, god bless iconic,
Speaker 1: really impressive work. Yeah, okay, So George needs medical attention,
Speaker 1: so they bring him to the US because only medical
Speaker 1: attention exists here, and Lyle is left behind. He gets
Speaker 1: arrested and thrown in jail. The poachers Max and Thor
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, if we go after Ape, we
Speaker 1: can make a bunch of money. We can like join showbiz.
Speaker 1: Because they have dreams of right becoming performer. I could.
Speaker 1: I couldn't keep track of those characters. I was like,
Speaker 1: who are these guys? Like they were just trying to
Speaker 1: do Joe Peshi in Home alone and I was like,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen, guys, Yeah, yeah, but they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: if we go after Ape the talking Gorilla, that's our
Speaker 1: ticket into show business. So meanwhile, George and Ursula arrive
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. George is trying to get acclimated to
Speaker 1: city life, and Ursula tells her mom, who is Holland Taylor,
Speaker 1: about George and Holland Taylor does not like this at all,
Speaker 1: but hall and Taylor frames it in a very specific
Speaker 1: way where she's like, I have no problem if you
Speaker 1: fuck George raw. Yeah, Like she kind of like repeatedly
Speaker 1: is like, no, you should definitely have sex with him,
Speaker 1: but you can't marry him. And it's just I don't know.
Speaker 1: We've covered a lot of like waspy moms of this
Speaker 1: kind of like category before, and Holland Taylor is the
Speaker 1: best of them because it's like a self aware writing
Speaker 1: of it where she sounds really horrible and she's saying
Speaker 1: it where you're like, no, George is the best guy
Speaker 1: in the whole world. He's the hymbo of the century.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, our crowd love that. Okay. So then Ursula
Speaker 1: invites her best friend Betsy over and they both see
Speaker 1: George naked after he comes out the shower and they're
Speaker 1: ogling at him. Betsy classic Trope character. She comes in,
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm the best friend. Who you fucking And
Speaker 1: then Ursela is like, oh, no, one, and she's like,
Speaker 1: look at that huge panut and Ursela's like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not interested. She's like, whoa, why don't I take a bite?
Speaker 1: And then Ursela says, okay, I guess I do like him,
Speaker 1: and then she disappears for forty five minutes, like unsung
Speaker 1: heroes of movies of the nineties, women with curly hair
Speaker 1: who are barely in the movie. Okay, So, Ursela has
Speaker 1: to go to her engagement party the next day, so
Speaker 1: she leaves George at home, but he ventures out into
Speaker 1: San Francisco. He goes to the Golden Gate Bridge. He
Speaker 1: saves a para sailor. Sorry, I know that, Like people
Speaker 1: are listening to this in the future. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to say that three people just pulled out harpoon guns
Speaker 1: and they seem really upset. Yeah, I it's the Bay Bridge.
Speaker 1: I've fed that. They're slowly lowering them, but they want
Speaker 1: us to know that they have them. Oh, because the
Speaker 1: Golden Gate Bridge is stuff. Stop they're bringing them back out. No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die on this hill. The Golden Grape it's red,
Speaker 1: right and this one wasn't red. I should have known.
Speaker 1: I'm humiliar. Someone just threw it tomato. That's so fucked up.
Speaker 1: Stop I'm a man na. We're from Los Angeles. We
Speaker 1: don't have brains that work. We don't have bridges. Okay, stop, okay,
Speaker 1: let me try again. He goes to the what's it
Speaker 1: called bay Bridge? What did I get it wrong? But
Speaker 1: just throw a pineapple at your head? Stop bridge. Say
Speaker 1: it's a para of sailor whose parachute had gotten caught
Speaker 1: in whatever bridge it is. And Ursula is like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, George. She sees him on TV and she's like, George,
Speaker 1: you saved that man's life. And she's swooning about it
Speaker 1: on TV. She doesn't give a shit. She does give
Speaker 1: a single shit, And then she tells her parents that
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to marry Lyle anymore, and her parents
Speaker 1: throw well, specifically, her mom throws a fit about it. Yes,
Speaker 1: one of my I mean, we'll probably get back to this,
Speaker 1: but one of my least favorite tropes. That happens when
Speaker 1: you have to get a woman in a romantic lead
Speaker 1: part where her mom is like, no, I want to
Speaker 1: get in the way of this, and then the dad,
Speaker 1: who has not said a word the entire movie, is like,
Speaker 1: I support this, I love my daughter, and then she goes,
Speaker 1: thank you, daddy, and then and then we all just
Speaker 1: look at the mom like what a bitch. Yeah, It's like,
Speaker 1: why does it? I mean, it happens every single time.
Speaker 1: The narrator even calls her like the meddling mother. So yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and and the father says, like what a he says
Speaker 1: something really mean about her. Yeah, I forget, I forget
Speaker 1: what he says, but it's I feel like he says
Speaker 1: what a piece of shit? Like he says something like that,
Speaker 1: and maybe that exactly yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, could be,
Speaker 1: could be. Uh okay. So then it's her engagement party
Speaker 1: that evening, and George is there and all the women
Speaker 1: are so horny for George, and then Ursula's mom pulls
Speaker 1: George aside, and she's like, stay away from my daughter,
Speaker 1: or I will cut your dick off. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: She is so iconic in that scene though, like, I
Speaker 1: won't stand for people being mean to George, except in
Speaker 1: that scene specifically where George is so sweetly like you
Speaker 1: don't want Ursula to like love George, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I would sooner nail my tongue to the table every
Speaker 1: morning at breakfast. Here's like, well, if she's saying it
Speaker 1: like Miranda Priestley, I guess I like it. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: looked at my notes. Ursula's dad says about his own
Speaker 1: wife as a comedic button to the scene. God, that
Speaker 1: woman is a pain in the ass. Yep, hilarious. Okay.
Speaker 1: So meanwhile, back in the jungle, the poachers Max and
Speaker 1: Thor capture Ape and plan to bring him to Vegas
Speaker 1: for a Siegfried and Roy type show. So the Toucan
Speaker 1: shows up in San Francisco and tells George that Ape
Speaker 1: has been kidnapped. So George has to leave and go
Speaker 1: back to the jungle to save Ape, and then Ursula
Speaker 1: goes after George because she realizes she loves him. Yes, George,
Speaker 1: so George arrives back in the jungle and he saves
Speaker 1: Ape from the poachers. Ursula shows up to help. They're
Speaker 1: about to kiss, but then Lyle shows up and kidnaps Ursula.
Speaker 1: They end up on a raft. They're getting swept up
Speaker 1: by the rapids, and then so George has to do
Speaker 1: like the biggest swing known to man to save Ursula,
Speaker 1: and he does, and then still hits that damn tree,
Speaker 1: the tree. If there's one thing my man George is
Speaker 1: gonna do, it's hit that damn tree. And he does
Speaker 1: it every time. People tell him to watch out for
Speaker 1: that tree, and he never listens. He does not. So
Speaker 1: then George and Ursula get married in the Jungle. We
Speaker 1: cut to a few years later. They have had a
Speaker 1: Greg Greg Greg of the Jungle. He got her greg nant,
Speaker 1: she had a Greg and um. Then the movie ends
Speaker 1: on a Lion King reference where George is holding up
Speaker 1: his Greg on Pride Rock, followed by Ape performing in
Speaker 1: Vegas in a solo show the original Marvel mid credit scene.
Speaker 1: So that's the plot of George of the Jungle. Oh
Speaker 1: thank you well, I mean there there's so much to
Speaker 1: talk about with this movie. I don't even really know
Speaker 1: where to I mean, where where would you like to start?
Speaker 1: Oh geez, because I know we have like we've got
Speaker 1: a well we have a we should we just well,
Speaker 1: let's just yeah. So we were, um curious because this
Speaker 1: movie takes place in this very like it says it
Speaker 1: takes place in the jungle in Africa, and then it
Speaker 1: is very unspecific as to where they're talking about, and like,
Speaker 1: so we were curious. It's like, is this based anywhere?
Speaker 1: What are the like, what is the culture and what
Speaker 1: is the wildlife that we're actually supposed to be paying
Speaker 1: attention to? And how accurately does the movie represent it? Yes,
Speaker 1: which we didn't know, And so we contracted some local experts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we found them. They're in San Francisco. This is going well,
Speaker 1: it really is. And so I see without much further ado,
Speaker 1: would you give us a help in giving a warm
Speaker 1: welcome to our two experts on this matter? Thank you? Okay, holdah,
Speaker 1: could you hear me that clicker there? Oh yeah, no problem, Yeah,
Speaker 1: welcome they thank you. Don Francisco. Pretty freaking epic if
Speaker 1: you ask me. All right, um, all right, thank you? So, Um,
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I can't. I want to stand
Speaker 1: up oh yeah, yeah, that not you relate. Okay, so
Speaker 1: I don't know why on live presentation we've got. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna keep it up, so uh please introduce yourself. Yeah sorry,
Speaker 1: uh um, well, Caitlin asked us to present catffects on
Speaker 1: behalf of her Yeah, a lot of cats in the
Speaker 1: jungle allegedly. So this is catffects and other animal effects. Yeah,
Speaker 1: featuring myself, Lauren D. Titanic, Yeah, and me doctor Bambi orwell, sorry,
Speaker 1: the your credentials got left off. It's fine, it's fine,
Speaker 1: that's all of it. But a little more about us. Yes,
Speaker 1: So I'm Lauren D. Titanic. I've got a master's degree
Speaker 1: in uh animals from Animal University, right, but I hate
Speaker 1: to mention that. Meanwhile, I, doctor Banbi, have a PhD,
Speaker 1: a bachelor's and an associate's degree and animal studies from
Speaker 1: Wikipedia University. No masters, skipped straight to the PhD. No
Speaker 1: credit for the Yeah, I up all the time. All right, So, um,
Speaker 1: first of all, let's just do some context corner. Um,
Speaker 1: George of the Jungle is set in according to the movie,
Speaker 1: is set in a place called book. Is that a
Speaker 1: place that exists? Well, let's ask all right, we will
Speaker 1: ask Google, any experts, and according to Google and also
Speaker 1: the World, no, it's not. Well it's so spelled differently.
Speaker 1: Is a city in the Democratic Republic of the Congo
Speaker 1: City not Jungle? So and also not Bokovo, correct, right? Right? Right? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: so that's not correct, even though the movie keeps mentioning
Speaker 1: that that's where they are. So we went back to
Speaker 1: the drawing board. See did they mention any other locations? Yes? Right,
Speaker 1: So moments later in the film, Ursula says, oh, this
Speaker 1: is the third day in Bow and so is that
Speaker 1: a place that exists in Africa? And we're the experts,
Speaker 1: so we of course googled it. That's right. Is it
Speaker 1: a real place that exists? Is a real place? According
Speaker 1: to Google and also the world. Um no, no, it's
Speaker 1: not place. It is an African surname. Um. It's also
Speaker 1: the fictional province that's the home of Georgia, the Jungle.
Speaker 1: It's kind of shocking that it has its own Wikipedia page,
Speaker 1: given that that is the dent of it. That's what
Speaker 1: we're in the end. It's what we in our profession
Speaker 1: call a stub. All right, So now this is actually
Speaker 1: a native species to Scotland if you can believe it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's a it's an image of Shrek. Yes, Laura
Speaker 1: and I spent years in the trenches of Scotland looking
Speaker 1: for the rare Shrek and and we found him and
Speaker 1: it turned out he had aspirations and shell business and
Speaker 1: so and you know, he's become rather a star. But
Speaker 1: really his confused face represents our confusion. Yes, yes, he's
Speaker 1: sort of the people's Shrek. So back to where we
Speaker 1: were discussing. So then we um looked at Wikipedia Scholarly Journal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm an alumni of it's true. And according to Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: on the George of the Jungle page says while touring
Speaker 1: in Burundi or sah blah blah blah. So we thought,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's a blue link, we should click
Speaker 1: on it. Yes, and we did. That's just sort of
Speaker 1: like research, you know. So we clicked on got down
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole if you will. Yeah, yeah, And so
Speaker 1: we clicked on Burundi and oh god, we found a
Speaker 1: place that exists. It's a real country in Africa, that's right, Yes,
Speaker 1: just south of Rwanda. So I guess that's where they
Speaker 1: are in the film. So tell us all about Bundy.
Speaker 1: I'd love to so, um, it's where Georgia the Jungle
Speaker 1: is canonically sit. It's a small landlocked country in the
Speaker 1: Great Rift Valley between the African Great Lakes region and
Speaker 1: East Africa. And we were really interested in particular about
Speaker 1: the wildlife. We are again wildlife expert. So Sureley, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the Henson Company made the puppets for this movie,
Speaker 1: and the Hensons aren't known for just making shit up. No,
Speaker 1: so I thought this is probably elogically accurate. Let's look
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, so there's a you know, there's a
Speaker 1: number of species of birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, fish, among
Speaker 1: other non vertebrae animals, including zero species of talking bears
Speaker 1: named Peddington absolutely gating. Okay, So getting into the animal
Speaker 1: representation of Georgia the Jungle of the film. So there's
Speaker 1: an orangutan in the film who appears in several scenes.
Speaker 1: So we're like, oh, orangutans must live in Burundi, right,
Speaker 1: did you know that that's true. It's not it's not true.
Speaker 1: They're not there and it doesn't stop there all right.
Speaker 1: Next we sat we noticed there's a there's a two
Speaker 1: can I believe that's right. Um, well, just to go
Speaker 1: back real quick, orangutans are native to Indonesia, Malaysia. There
Speaker 1: are now only found in parts of Bonneo. Is that
Speaker 1: how you pronounce it? I don't know, everyone's going to
Speaker 1: correct me all the time. That and Sumatra? Okay? Um, so,
Speaker 1: well got the two can Tuki Tuki who famously flies
Speaker 1: from from Africa to San Francis going about twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Hilarious joke. Yeah, but he's Georgia's you know, sort of
Speaker 1: his what we would normally see as a pigeon in
Speaker 1: American movies. Uh that they're known for their colorful bills
Speaker 1: and loving fruit loops. So we're thinking, you know, two
Speaker 1: cans must be native to this region. Well, well are they? No,
Speaker 1: they're not from they don't live in Burundi, they don't
Speaker 1: live anywhere in Africa. Never guess where they do live.
Speaker 1: It's Central and South America pretty far away. Yeah. Funny
Speaker 1: little fact though in Africa and Asia hornbills now hornbills
Speaker 1: occupied the two cans ecological niche, which is an example
Speaker 1: of convergent evolution. And we know exactly what all of
Speaker 1: that means. Yeah, yeah, well it's like, well, we we joke.
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, it's like the the bill has an erection,
Speaker 1: you know, but that's just a little uh, that's just
Speaker 1: zoo talk. It's a nasty things. We say, yeah, I
Speaker 1: got the snort. So the point is that easily just
Speaker 1: could have put a hornbill in the movie and it
Speaker 1: would have been accurate. But instead they're like, no, let's
Speaker 1: put a two kin, even though they don't leave in
Speaker 1: Africa anyway. Okay, here's I'm gonna fuck up this pronunciation
Speaker 1: to everyone? Is it capuchin? Capuchin? Capuchin? How does everyone do?
Speaker 1: Everyone in San Francisco is a fucking genius? Interesting, you're
Speaker 1: fucking weird. As I walked outside, someone I got hit
Speaker 1: on worth than I've been hit on in my entire life,
Speaker 1: but the weirdest guy I've ever met inside of three seconds.
Speaker 1: You people are sick here. Thanks for coming to the show.
Speaker 1: You know it all weird enough. So this is a
Speaker 1: Capuchin monkey that George helps by giving the confidence to
Speaker 1: stand up to its bullies, which, of course as a
Speaker 1: tale as old as time, Yes, classics storytelling. Kapuchan monkeys,
Speaker 1: You'll never believe this do not live in Africa. They
Speaker 1: are also native to Central and South America. Now it's
Speaker 1: like that they didn't have encyclopedias when clearly Ape has
Speaker 1: a full set. It's just unbelievable. What else do we
Speaker 1: have here? We have? Oh, of course there's a shep,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite characters, George's pet elephants. So, okay,
Speaker 1: do we find elephants in this in this area of Africa? Well, yes,
Speaker 1: but only African elephants. But sheep, however, is an Asian elephant.
Speaker 1: We are not quite sure how that happened. But I
Speaker 1: think that that's actually kind of more of a failure
Speaker 1: of storytelling. You know, that's true. I just switched into
Speaker 1: New Jersey for a second storytelling. I also, I can't
Speaker 1: wait to get canceled by everyone in Australia for this bit.
Speaker 1: Having a long Asian elephant is in a movie that's
Speaker 1: supposed to take place in Africa. That's right, Yes, not correct,
Speaker 1: So that's fucked up. Yeah, I'm all right. So also,
Speaker 1: there's a lion in early in the movie. Of course,
Speaker 1: George famously fights this lion, and we're like, oh, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, lions do live in Burundi, but but not
Speaker 1: in the jungle. Oh no, they live in the savannahs
Speaker 1: and grasslands and rocky hills, which they would know if
Speaker 1: they watch the movie they parody in the final shot
Speaker 1: of the movie, The Lion King. Yes, takes place entirely
Speaker 1: in the savannah exactly. But what can you do? What
Speaker 1: can you do? All right, research is what you can do. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: let's get down to brass text here. This is the
Speaker 1: real important part. And this has been I mean, I
Speaker 1: know this has been sort of the mission of your
Speaker 1: research for for a very long time. Yes, well, yes,
Speaker 1: Caitlyn and I work closely on this. Um. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: she's your muse, you could say, ye, so um, specifically
Speaker 1: the number of nipples that cats have, and so lions
Speaker 1: have four nipples. Oh good, I just want you to know. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So moving on to Ape. So Ape appears to be
Speaker 1: a gorilla. That's we were able to figure that out
Speaker 1: pretty quick, right, and we were. You know, gorillas do
Speaker 1: live in Burundi, however, Lauren, Yeah, well they used to
Speaker 1: until they went extinct due to poaching in habitat loss.
Speaker 1: So sorry to bring the show. What what is otherwise
Speaker 1: is very awesome, lively, wonderful show that everyone's just wanted
Speaker 1: to let you know that if Ape was real, he
Speaker 1: would have died. And so there, in a way is
Speaker 1: kind of like beautiful. We thought it was nice that
Speaker 1: the writers where is this that I don't know right movie?
Speaker 1: There is of the movie wrote in Ape because it
Speaker 1: was sort of like you become attached to his character
Speaker 1: and then you realize, oh, oh no, there, you know there,
Speaker 1: there's none of them anymore due to a series of
Speaker 1: really trait unfortunate events. A series of unfortunate events by
Speaker 1: Lemony Snickett. Yeah, yeah, all right, let's move on. So
Speaker 1: this is actually my doctoral thesistant. Yes. So ape Is
Speaker 1: is voiced by actor John Cleese, who is better known
Speaker 1: most famously now. His most famous role is voicing the
Speaker 1: Frog King in Shrek two and Shrek the Third. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and he was he was a troubled frog,
Speaker 1: but ultimately he died at the beginning of the third movie.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's fine. We love kings. All right, Well
Speaker 1: that's that. We just wanted to thank Caitlin and Jamie
Speaker 1: for for flying us in. I think it was worth it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, just like they're they're so beautiful
Speaker 1: and interesting, you know, we should bring them back to
Speaker 1: the stage. Welcome them back, all right, Welcome back Caitlin
Speaker 1: and Jamie. They were wonderful and so pretty, almost as
Speaker 1: pretty as us because it's a competition, but yes, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into hand to hand combat with Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: now that we know all about how I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like part of the reason we wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about how wildly inaccurate and kind of randomized and underthought
Speaker 1: the way that the jungle is built out with animals
Speaker 1: is because the way that Africa and the African jungle
Speaker 1: are portrayed in the movie overall, it just makes no sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: particularly with the African characters. Yeah, who are in the movie.
Speaker 1: So we have mister Kuame and then these three Porters,
Speaker 1: and the way that they are characterized, especially the Porter characters,
Speaker 1: is they are like the funniest characters in the movie
Speaker 1: for sure, like time and time again, Like it's it's
Speaker 1: a frustrating thing to what because I like checked everywhere
Speaker 1: I could, like, were these characters even intended to have names? No,
Speaker 1: there's three porters. They are all referred to as Ursula's
Speaker 1: friend and an African tour guide, which is a very
Speaker 1: long way of not giving someone a name, right, And
Speaker 1: on one hand, it's like something that surprised me about
Speaker 1: this movie is like Lyle is a very clear, flamboyant
Speaker 1: colonizer character, Like he's fucking arrogant. He never knows what
Speaker 1: he's talking about. He's constantly bullying people and belittling people
Speaker 1: and assuming that they know less than he does. He does,
Speaker 1: specifically mister Quame and the Porters, and he's always wrong
Speaker 1: and they're always laughing at him in a way that's
Speaker 1: very satisfying. But on the other hand, we don't know
Speaker 1: what their names are, and we don't know anything about
Speaker 1: them except that they know that Lyle is an incompetent loser. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: I would even say that the movie the movie is
Speaker 1: inconsistent with how it wants you to feel about these
Speaker 1: characters because it doesn't even present him is always wrong
Speaker 1: because for the first few moments of the movie, the
Speaker 1: way they represent it is like they take the expression
Speaker 1: shake a leg literally because they like don't fully understand
Speaker 1: like the nuances of the English language. They are easily
Speaker 1: startled by like modern Western things like flash photography, or
Speaker 1: like one of them the movie throws one of them
Speaker 1: off of like a well, at Lyle throws them off
Speaker 1: a bridge, right, but that is like the inciting incident
Speaker 1: for like, yeah, I do agree that it's like they are.
Speaker 1: They are shown as being like I think, even more
Speaker 1: offensively cartoonishly like, they're shown as like being, well, they're
Speaker 1: not familiar with Western civilizations, so we don't need to
Speaker 1: respect these characters, right, which happens all the time. But
Speaker 1: then when Lyle shakes the rope bridge and one of
Speaker 1: the porters nearly passes away, but then the narrator is like,
Speaker 1: no one's gonna die in this movie, I swear, And
Speaker 1: so he comes back even though he should have dined,
Speaker 1: and he's just Matt. And then there's like a turning
Speaker 1: point where all of a sudden, like you're saying, like
Speaker 1: the broad offensive trades we were introduced to go away,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, like Lyle comes over to
Speaker 1: them and is like condescending to them about like I
Speaker 1: have this polaroid camera and cigarettes and cigars and in exchange,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take your land. Like he's using the
Speaker 1: most colonizer colonizer language ever and they know exactly what
Speaker 1: a polaroid camera is and they're laughing at him, and
Speaker 1: then for the rest of the movie they're laughing at
Speaker 1: him and he falls into a pile of shit, and
Speaker 1: then they say, two camera, we're laughing at him. But
Speaker 1: like it's like the line, it's such a funny line.
Speaker 1: It's a good line. The line is bad guy falls
Speaker 1: in poop, classical element of physical comedy. Now comes the
Speaker 1: part where we throw our heads back and laugh, and
Speaker 1: then they do it. Then they do It's like, have
Speaker 1: you guys taken a UCB class? Oh, they're they're giving
Speaker 1: hard three one. Yeah, but yeah, the movie it's almost
Speaker 1: as if the movie for the first few minutes wants
Speaker 1: you to make an assumption about the characters as being
Speaker 1: like oblivious and they don't understand what's going on on
Speaker 1: and they don't know things. And then it's there's a
Speaker 1: hard turn where it's like, oh, shame on you for
Speaker 1: thinking that they speak English this whole time and they
Speaker 1: know they're like far more aware of everything than especially Lyle.
Speaker 1: But we only thought that because you character it that way.
Speaker 1: And also it's like there's all those different assumptions of
Speaker 1: that the movie makes of like they spoke English the
Speaker 1: whole time is such a loaded thing, Like why do
Speaker 1: you have to speak English to be considered to be
Speaker 1: a civilized, respectable person. Colonialism, Like there's kind of like
Speaker 1: all of these like subtle things at play that this
Speaker 1: movie is in no way equipped to handle. But even
Speaker 1: with like the tone that this movie is taken on,
Speaker 1: like you're totally right where the porters should first of
Speaker 1: all have names, because they do have like pretty distinct
Speaker 1: personalities for like side characters basically, And also, this is
Speaker 1: a movie that takes place in the African jungle, and
Speaker 1: every black character is very much a side character, which
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. Hollywood movies set in Africa still are always
Speaker 1: about white guys. Yeah, they're yeah, and mister Quam, I think,
Speaker 1: is like the most the most characterized of the group,
Speaker 1: But it's also like that's mostly just because he has
Speaker 1: a name and he appears in multiple scenes and he's
Speaker 1: played by a very famous person, but it's not like
Speaker 1: he's given really much of Like the porters and mister
Speaker 1: Quame are there to make fun of Lyle, which is
Speaker 1: an admirable task. Yeah, it's important to enjoy when Lyle
Speaker 1: falls into a pile of shit, But I just feel
Speaker 1: like there's like more room in the story to give
Speaker 1: them more of a story or like kind of like
Speaker 1: you don't even need like Lyle's goons or anything like
Speaker 1: that kind of other characters to make space for them.
Speaker 1: You know, Lyle's goons, who are given far more characterization
Speaker 1: and names than when they're the fucking like dog nappers
Speaker 1: from one hundred and one Dalmatians. You're just like, who
Speaker 1: are these guys? Get them out of the movie and
Speaker 1: like make room for people. You know. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: really frustrating. And yeah, and also like the actors who
Speaker 1: played the Porters were so fucking funny. It was so
Speaker 1: like every line was so good. Yeah, and then that
Speaker 1: sort of like brings us to Lyle. Who is I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like Lyle. I don't know. I've we've talked
Speaker 1: about the different tropes over the years of like there's
Speaker 1: very often especially in like movies for younger audiences, but
Speaker 1: sometimes for grown ass people as well. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like you see like a huge societal issue that's like
Speaker 1: completely boiled down to one character and their sins, and
Speaker 1: it's like patriarchy the guy, And if you can defeat
Speaker 1: patriarchy the guy, then the world turns into the windows
Speaker 1: two thousand screensaver, you know, like every think is amazing
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, or like capitalism the guy. We've
Speaker 1: like talked about that sort of thing, and Lyle sort
Speaker 1: of seems to be like colonialism the guy. And if
Speaker 1: you defeat colonialism the guy, you defeat colonialism, which of
Speaker 1: course is like overly simplistic and very much not true.
Speaker 1: And it's also fun to watch colonialism the guy fall
Speaker 1: into a pile of shit face first. Yeah, it's very satisfying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I appreciate that the movie recognizes him as
Speaker 1: the villain. I don't know, I mean, because like colonialism
Speaker 1: is not always demonized in movies, so especially not in
Speaker 1: the nineties, Like it's like glorified in the nineties very often.
Speaker 1: But because but I feel like the offset of that,
Speaker 1: of like making Lyle colonialism the guy that like removes
Speaker 1: pressure from other white characters like Ursula, who is doing
Speaker 1: like jungle tourism and like is a US fun kid
Speaker 1: touring the African jungle in ways that I think is
Speaker 1: like that's open for discussion, right, you know, But because
Speaker 1: Lyle is so diabolical, it sort of removes the pressure
Speaker 1: from other white characters in the movie from what they're
Speaker 1: complicit in. True, Um, well this is a fun compo.
Speaker 1: Um I did like, but but also like, okay, so
Speaker 1: Lyle is a lot of things. The guy. He is
Speaker 1: colonialism the guy, which he is punished for to extent.
Speaker 1: I think that they should like kill him, but when
Speaker 1: but you can't do that in the movie. He's also
Speaker 1: misogyny the guy. He comes up to Ursula the first
Speaker 1: time that they speak, and he goes the jungle loves you,
Speaker 1: You're beautiful, like he also tries to do. He gaslights
Speaker 1: her a little later because when he shows up after
Speaker 1: she's been rescued by George, she's like, I remember what
Speaker 1: happened when the lion showed up, Like you left or
Speaker 1: like you tried to run away, And he's like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? I was fighting the lion the
Speaker 1: whole time. You just don't remember because you were so terrified,
Speaker 1: right right, I mean he's he's the worst, and like
Speaker 1: he um, you see after George takes Ursula away, he
Speaker 1: knows exactly what's happened and then he like bursts a
Speaker 1: bunch of berries on his arm. Um that I bet
Speaker 1: if we looked up, we're not native to Africa. I
Speaker 1: bet they were from like, uh, Massachusetts, but he like,
Speaker 1: you know, exploded a couple of Massachusetts cranberries on his
Speaker 1: forearm and is like, no, I you know, he like
Speaker 1: makes up a lie, a coward. He is a very
Speaker 1: effective villain because he is he is the most evil
Speaker 1: and only Holland Taylor likes him and she's the other
Speaker 1: most evil character. Yes, but I mean later in the
Speaker 1: movie it's it's the other moment with the Porters that
Speaker 1: I wanted to shout out was that that does sort
Speaker 1: of come back where whenever Lyle tries to use a
Speaker 1: Swahili phrasebook, he says something that makes no sense, and
Speaker 1: the way that I feel like anytime someone's using a
Speaker 1: phrasebook in a movie, they're like, I can't think of something,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know what you mean. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a classic formula for yeah, and this time
Speaker 1: I was not laughing, but it only like sort of
Speaker 1: makes the Porters angrier at him, and then over time
Speaker 1: they do seem determined to like bail on him and
Speaker 1: leave him for dead, which at that point is extremely
Speaker 1: earned and sort of was from the beginning, because why
Speaker 1: is he there? What is his job? That was my question,
Speaker 1: what is his job? Oh? Yeah, don't. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean you could ask that question of Ursula too, because
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, she's a YouTuber. Well she does.
Speaker 1: She's like, I have to go to work, George, so
Speaker 1: stay at my apartment. But then like she's kind of
Speaker 1: just walking around like where I don't know. She goes
Speaker 1: to see but when she says she's going to work,
Speaker 1: she goes and says hi to her dad at the bank.
Speaker 1: Oh right, which is like she's a bank heiress. That's
Speaker 1: her whole things. And a round of applause for that.
Speaker 1: Now I'm kidding. Um, yes, Caitlin, Bank of America. M yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but what does any rich person's job? You know,
Speaker 1: we don't know what her job is. We don't know
Speaker 1: what Lyle's job is. But what do rich people do?
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Are you defending them like I'm in
Speaker 1: a way in a way the movies, No, I'm saying that. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm saying. I do think if
Speaker 1: this movie was made today, Ursula would be making a
Speaker 1: shitty podcast. Um, can we talk about Ursula? I would
Speaker 1: love to talk about Ursula. Okay, So, like her character
Speaker 1: exists in the story because she's Georgia Jungle romantic interest,
Speaker 1: and so there's some interesting things happening there, such as
Speaker 1: there's the Born Sexy Yesterday trope but inverted right. Yes,
Speaker 1: they did a Ghostbusters twenty sixteen. They gender swamped that.
Speaker 1: And for anyone who's not familiar with the Born Sexy
Speaker 1: Yesterday trope, it's a like sci fi trope that or
Speaker 1: it's like mostly a sci fi trope that is characterized
Speaker 1: by usually a woman being like an alien or a
Speaker 1: like cyborg or like some kind of like sci fi
Speaker 1: thing and fallsome love the first man she meets. Generally,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's like an extension of like sexy
Speaker 1: baby ideology right where it's like Bill Paxton shakes you up.
Speaker 1: One day you're like a goo goo ga ga, and
Speaker 1: then you're and then three days later but but but
Speaker 1: you have like huge naturals, and one week later you
Speaker 1: marry Bill Paxton and everyone's like yeah, and then you
Speaker 1: win an oscar. It's like pretty wild. It's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a woman who have like a fully formed, mature adult
Speaker 1: woman body but like the mind of a baby more
Speaker 1: or less, and she has to be taught things by
Speaker 1: the first man she meets and she usually falls in
Speaker 1: love with him. He teaches her about like sex and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah, the fifth Element, I feel like
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the quintessential example of that. But
Speaker 1: it is really like it's a short It's like a
Speaker 1: writing shortcut, not only if you want to underwrite a woman,
Speaker 1: but also if you want to make a very boring
Speaker 1: man seem more interesting, where like you have like a
Speaker 1: really boring male protagonist and he's like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is like three plus three and then she goes, oh god,
Speaker 1: and he goes yeah. So in this case, in this movie,
Speaker 1: it's like switched because this time it's a man who
Speaker 1: doesn't know anything and who falls in love with the
Speaker 1: first woman he sees, who he doesn't even realize is
Speaker 1: a woman until he's like cold compressing her boobs and
Speaker 1: he's like, what are these? Well, I felt like it
Speaker 1: was like there, I mean, there is like born Sexy
Speaker 1: Yesterday traits into like the way that it's played. But
Speaker 1: also I felt like the movie took a fair amount
Speaker 1: of time to show that. It was like, even though
Speaker 1: everything about George of the Jungles world is completely fucking
Speaker 1: made up because it's a cartoon, but there was like
Speaker 1: some sort of exchange where like he showed her his
Speaker 1: world I thought in a more equitable way where when
Speaker 1: she didn't understand what things were, he would just tell
Speaker 1: her what it was and like wouldn't challenge her to
Speaker 1: Like an example that stood out to be was when
Speaker 1: Ursula was staying in George's treehouse. He didn't pressure her
Speaker 1: to like change the way she was dressing at all.
Speaker 1: She was wearing her own clothes the whole time. If
Speaker 1: she didn't understand what was going on, He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what this is is And I didn't feel
Speaker 1: it lazy put like too much pressure on her to
Speaker 1: join or not join. But then when George goes to
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Ursela's like, you gotta get in ARMANI, we're
Speaker 1: going to Emon Marcus like she Actually, I think in
Speaker 1: another inverted way where I feel like you more often
Speaker 1: see in the Bourne Sexy Yesterday trope, like the person
Speaker 1: who is like falling in love with the Bourne Sexy
Speaker 1: Yesterday character, They're like, you have to assimilate to what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. And in a way that like George doesn't
Speaker 1: do to her. He's just like is interested in her,
Speaker 1: and it's like, this is what I do. Do you
Speaker 1: like this? And she does. But then they go to
Speaker 1: San Francisco and she's just like take that dress off.
Speaker 1: You're wearing a tuxedo, and you're like to where where?
Speaker 1: Like why does they need an Armani tuxedo? Like he
Speaker 1: looked nice in that dress, any I mean he looked
Speaker 1: nice in everything he wore. It was Brendan Fraser, Like
Speaker 1: he looked amazing. But it was just like, I thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting that he didn't put pressure on her
Speaker 1: to assemily, but that wasn't true in the reverse. The
Speaker 1: narrator even says something like Ursula, being of a conservative
Speaker 1: mind regarding gender roles, takes George shopping at Nieman's or whatever.
Speaker 1: But also she's a bank heiress, so that's just hyper realism.
Speaker 1: Yeah you think she's voting dec she's voting blue no
Speaker 1: matter who. Yeah. But yeah, so so there's that interesting
Speaker 1: component of their relationship. But yeah, there's like there's ways
Speaker 1: that that is subverted. Where again, in the traditional born
Speaker 1: Sexy Yesterday trope, it would be like the man teaching
Speaker 1: the woman about like here's how to kiss and love me.
Speaker 1: But there's they're gonna get I'm a virginum. But in
Speaker 1: this case it's not like, well, first of all, he's
Speaker 1: learning sex from Ape, like how sex works, but it's
Speaker 1: just fucking with him anyways. Ape is a bully um.
Speaker 1: And then we go see his show in Vegas. Honestly,
Speaker 1: yeah sure, and then George is like, Oh, there's this
Speaker 1: coffee commercial that's gonna teach me how to love and
Speaker 1: then he figures and then he figures it out on
Speaker 1: his own. That's what happens in the movie. What I
Speaker 1: guess We're just gonna let that slide. He Okay, he
Speaker 1: sees a coffee commercial and then what and then he
Speaker 1: does what. I'm not saying it's right, but his reaction is, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is how I'll get Ursula to love me. The
Speaker 1: killed Georgy said, no, don't worry about it, don't worry
Speaker 1: about it, don't worry about worry to protect them today. Okay,
Speaker 1: what is it? He said? You wait, you really don't know, buddy,
Speaker 1: one of these Oh I've heard he said. He had
Speaker 1: a can of vodka mule. Yeah, your Freddy and slip
Speaker 1: it all over the place like it's the fucking water park.
Speaker 1: I say, like he said, he fingers it out on
Speaker 1: his phone, which would have been really interesting to watch.
Speaker 1: Wait did everyone hear that? Yeah? Everyone heard that. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna okay, James, No, No, we're gonna figure this
Speaker 1: out together. So he figures yeah on his own and
Speaker 1: then he fingers her um, and she was like, who fuck? While, UM,
Speaker 1: I do I do like that Ursula like there is
Speaker 1: a certain amount of because like, I think there are
Speaker 1: moments within Ursula and George's relationship that are up for question. However,
Speaker 1: Cathartic I thought to see Ursula be it felt like
Speaker 1: her parents were pressuring her to be in a relationship
Speaker 1: with Lyle, because he was like, if like a rich
Speaker 1: person arranged marriage kind of thing for sure, um. And
Speaker 1: also they look a lot alike, and you're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want this, um, And
Speaker 1: she doesn't want this. And the second she met someone
Speaker 1: she was actually interested in, she kind of just started.
Speaker 1: She didn't just like not care when Lyle was held captive.
Speaker 1: I loved how the second he was like, there's multiple
Speaker 1: times where she's like mentioning that Lyle's in jail on
Speaker 1: another continent but murder right, but only because it's inconvenient
Speaker 1: to her today, She's like, well, I have to, like
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to bring Lyle, but he's in jail in Africa,
Speaker 1: and like she just doesn't give a shit about him.
Speaker 1: And I think it is like fun to see a
Speaker 1: woman who's being forced into a marriage she doesn't want,
Speaker 1: just like get to say shit like that and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my Hembo's on TV at the Bay Bridge and okay,
Speaker 1: ink you San Francisco. There No, but like that, she's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, fuck while, like I met someone I
Speaker 1: actually like and to see her like actually enjoy yourself
Speaker 1: a little bit. That said, I do think her family
Speaker 1: votes read in every single election and always has. Yeah, scary.
Speaker 1: Well that brings up the Okay, we've covered a lot
Speaker 1: of movies recently that involve a love triangle um specifically
Speaker 1: a woman having to choose between two men. Some of
Speaker 1: these episodes haven't come out yet at the time of
Speaker 1: this live show, but we've got this love triangle in
Speaker 1: this movie called Titanic. There there's and we've never covered
Speaker 1: it before. That's so weird, but yeah, there's a love
Speaker 1: triangle in Georgia the Jungle. We have an upcoming episode
Speaker 1: on Sweet Home Alabama, where there's a love triangle. We
Speaker 1: have an upcoming episode on something New, and then of
Speaker 1: course Titanic. Let's take a little detour to examine the
Speaker 1: parallels between George or the Jungle and Titanic. Shy, because
Speaker 1: I mean it's nineteen ninety seven, literally the same year,
Speaker 1: and Georgia the Jungle comes out first, and so I
Speaker 1: have to imagine James Cameron in his forty five story
Speaker 1: tall house underground, shaking in his boots when he sees
Speaker 1: this damp. He's like, oh no, they're coming for me.
Speaker 1: Because the parallels are shocking, are shocking. Yes, starting with yeah,
Speaker 1: curly haired high society woman is engaged to an evil
Speaker 1: rich man and his hair it's flopping around and he
Speaker 1: and he can stop saying fiance. Yes. Then we've got
Speaker 1: another man who has no material wealth and and so,
Speaker 1: and in one of the movies, no material who saves
Speaker 1: the rich woman from death m okay, and she starts
Speaker 1: to fall in love with this quote unquote poor man.
Speaker 1: I mean you said that, like George of the Jungle
Speaker 1: had money somewhere, not actually poor Yeah, right, okay. Then
Speaker 1: the poor man gets a makeover and tries on a
Speaker 1: suit to adhere to the standards of the rich people.
Speaker 1: M Okay, then we've got the woman has an uptight
Speaker 1: mother with a Transatlantic accent who tries to keep her
Speaker 1: daughter away from the poor man so that the rich
Speaker 1: daughter will marry the evil rich fiance. The poor man
Speaker 1: has to save the rich woman from a boat catastrophe
Speaker 1: at the end, and how and to give George of
Speaker 1: the Jungle the edge in this regard only how amazing?
Speaker 1: What did it happen if Jack Dawson had whacked into
Speaker 1: one of those smokestacks, that was a bigness. What if
Speaker 1: Jack Dawson Kareem's into one of those Titanic smokestacks, And
Speaker 1: that's what this is, That's what knocks it over kills Fabricio. Whoa,
Speaker 1: They're like, watch up for that. Yeah, I mean Jack
Speaker 1: Jack Jacob Titanic. It rights itself, my fiance. And then
Speaker 1: the final thing I noticed is that the rich lady
Speaker 1: wears a necklace with a jewel on it, and that
Speaker 1: necklace is called attention to several times. Yes, and Georgia
Speaker 1: the Jungle also has his own his own necklace. And
Speaker 1: I liked that bit where Ursula makes a little assumption
Speaker 1: about him and is like, oh, did you I forget
Speaker 1: what the animal? He did? You fight a crocodile? Yes?
Speaker 1: And then he's like, I did a dental procedure on
Speaker 1: the crocodile. They're like, okay, Brendan Fraser literal genius. Interesting,
Speaker 1: He's not going to go out there and fight. He's
Speaker 1: so gentle and so sweet. I guess to sort of
Speaker 1: put a button on how their relationship. I think, honestly,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of movies that came out this same
Speaker 1: year that did much worse with building a convincing and
Speaker 1: like somewhat equitable relationship. I at least get why George
Speaker 1: and Ursula like each other. It doesn't feel I mean,
Speaker 1: in a movie that feels really really forced and contrived
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways on purpose, I thought it
Speaker 1: was good. Like I just they're sweet together. And also
Speaker 1: I feel like trust fund kids and people who grew
Speaker 1: up and were raised by like monkeys have a lot
Speaker 1: in common, and they're both sort of like we we
Speaker 1: both don't know how the world works, and let's not
Speaker 1: follow rule. Rules aren't applied to us, you know, And
Speaker 1: in that way it's kind of beautiful. They're both so sexy.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I had a quick thing about Brendan
Speaker 1: Frasier in this movie specifically because there was Brendan Frasier.
Speaker 1: He's going through you know, he's going through his renaissance,
Speaker 1: and yeah, we said I did not come up with that,
Speaker 1: but I wish I had. But Brendan Frasier is like
Speaker 1: experiencing this resurgence and the movie he's resurging for we
Speaker 1: don't have time, but he is experiencing our resurgence and
Speaker 1: people are excited about it. So he's been talking a
Speaker 1: lot about sort of his like first Hollywood like Leading
Speaker 1: Man Heyday and Georgia the Jungle is kind of like
Speaker 1: smack in the middle of that. And I found an
Speaker 1: interview from late last year where I mean, I guess,
Speaker 1: like even us, like when we talk about Georgia of
Speaker 1: the Jungle, it's like Brendan Frasier is ripped in that movie,
Speaker 1: like he's so Hollywood handsome that it's like he's he's
Speaker 1: basically naked the whole movie, like it's it's wild. And
Speaker 1: he did one of the actor on actor interviews with
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler late last year and talks about like how
Speaker 1: he had a full blown eating disorder for the entire
Speaker 1: time of this movie, and to the point where it
Speaker 1: like affected his like ability to just like for his
Speaker 1: brain to work. I look, it's late in the show
Speaker 1: and I'm bringing this up, but he said that he
Speaker 1: starved himself of carbohydrates for months at a time, which
Speaker 1: is really dangerous to look the way that he does.
Speaker 1: In George of the Jungle, he said, quote, I would
Speaker 1: drive home after work and stop to get something to eat.
Speaker 1: I needed some cash one time, and I went to
Speaker 1: the ATM and I couldn't remember my pin number because
Speaker 1: my brain was misfiring, and so I didn't eat that night.
Speaker 1: And yeah, okay, guys, he's fine. Now, it's just remember
Speaker 1: back to when I accidentally said finger. But I did, like,
Speaker 1: I think that Brandon Fraser is kind of one of
Speaker 1: the few Hollywood leading men who has actually spoken to
Speaker 1: this in terms of, like we talk about it all
Speaker 1: the time, because I do think it disproportionately affects women
Speaker 1: and fems, but it does also affect men, and Brendan
Speaker 1: Fraser is kind of one of the only people that
Speaker 1: has sort of spoken to that over the years on
Speaker 1: a number of issues. And the other person who has
Speaker 1: interestingly is Zachster, who we love. He also said that
Speaker 1: he went for years without ever eating carbs and saying
Speaker 1: that like it affected his brain and ability to do
Speaker 1: basic things. And then he spoke about this, I think
Speaker 1: ironically and also m really in a funny way when
Speaker 1: they revealed his wax sculpture of his like abs at
Speaker 1: Madame Tissot's, He's like, yeah, whooo, I think this is
Speaker 1: very dangerous though, which is like pretty iconic to do
Speaker 1: to undercut the event so severely. But but like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like the there there are on the pressures put
Speaker 1: on um people of all genders who are expected to
Speaker 1: look a very particular way. And this movie is you know,
Speaker 1: even if you love it, which I do, I love
Speaker 1: the part when he fingers the cone um, but like it.
Speaker 1: You know, I appreciated that he he's able to and
Speaker 1: that like there has been sort of I guess enough
Speaker 1: of a cultural shift, not entirely, but it's some some
Speaker 1: sort of cultural shift where he's he feels like he
Speaker 1: can he can talk about it now. M Yeah wow.
Speaker 1: But here's a question, Yeah, does this movie pass the
Speaker 1: backdel tists not to go full bamby what was my
Speaker 1: name Bamby orwell Bamby orwell I like that you made
Speaker 1: it up. So yeah, it does pass the Backdel test.
Speaker 1: In the scene where Uh Ursula's mom, who is named
Speaker 1: Beatrice I believe, Uh says do you have a fever,
Speaker 1: how's your temperature? What color is your tongue? And what
Speaker 1: is your vagina like right now? And in so many words?
Speaker 1: And um, she says in the Pig movie, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and Ursula says, it's all normal. First of all, what
Speaker 1: even is a quote unquote normal vagina? Ursula. Secondly, it
Speaker 1: does pass the Backtel test. You're nitpicking there, Ursula, I
Speaker 1: should have said in the movie and to me, here's
Speaker 1: what a normal vagina means, and then describes her on
Speaker 1: to her and she was like, and then it got
Speaker 1: fingered by by George. You're happy. Um, yeah it does.
Speaker 1: It passes a couple different times, but that was my
Speaker 1: favorite by a long shot. You would think with the
Speaker 1: best friend character Betsy, it would pass more. Here's where
Speaker 1: I found it past. The only time between the two
Speaker 1: of them in multiple scenes together, Hello Hello, which is
Speaker 1: narratively impactful because we hadn't seen her before. That's true.
Speaker 1: But other than that, She's like, hello, Hello, Hubba Hubba,
Speaker 1: and then that just kind of like that's kind of
Speaker 1: the rest of the movie. Yeah, so it's not it's
Speaker 1: not an extreme past. I well, I wanted to give
Speaker 1: a quick shout out there. There were two credited writers
Speaker 1: on this movie. Um, one of whom is a woman,
Speaker 1: Audrey Wells, who wrote a number of kind of classics
Speaker 1: of the aughts. She also wrote Disney's The Kid, Remember
Speaker 1: that one she wrote under the Tuscan Sun. My mom
Speaker 1: got so fucked up over that one. Shall we dance?
Speaker 1: Same story? And Um. Then the last screenplay shot up
Speaker 1: before she passed away in twenty eighteen was The Hate
Speaker 1: You Give. So she's a very legendary, respected, wonderful screenwriter
Speaker 1: that was gone too soon. So it was nice that
Speaker 1: there there was. And I feel like, you know, even
Speaker 1: though I wouldn't say that you could make a mad
Speaker 1: max argument that this is really a woman's story, there
Speaker 1: are I mean, I think like, because of Audrey Wells's work,
Speaker 1: I would guess that that women are you know, more
Speaker 1: present in the work than they would have been otherwise.
Speaker 1: M true, very true. Yeah. What about our nipple scale? Though?
Speaker 1: Are the one metric metric where we rate the metric
Speaker 1: movie WHOA Lord Are the Rings? Reference Jamie, I cannot
Speaker 1: answer any follow up cross Well, this is our metric
Speaker 1: where we rate the movie on a scale of zero
Speaker 1: to five nipples based on how affairs Looking at it
Speaker 1: from an intersectional feminist lens um, I would say, hmmm, this,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I mean, I'll let me talk through
Speaker 1: it for a moment. We've got is Ursula damseled a
Speaker 1: number of times? Does she think constantly? But does she
Speaker 1: also later save George at the end for one second
Speaker 1: and then and then he she does pass out, and
Speaker 1: then he also drops her and she's like, I want
Speaker 1: to tell you that I love you, and he's like,
Speaker 1: there's no time to talk right now, and then he
Speaker 1: drops her on the ground, and then he keeps fighting
Speaker 1: the bad guys. So that's not maybe the best. It's
Speaker 1: not the best when he licks her face while she's unconscious,
Speaker 1: and yet I am rooting for them. Mistakes were made, okay,
Speaker 1: because well, I was starting to talk about like the
Speaker 1: love triangle relationship dynamic that's so prevalent in so many
Speaker 1: movies where it's just like, yeah, I want her to
Speaker 1: pick George obviously, and I do hope they stay together forever.
Speaker 1: If away just like make halland Taylor upset. Um and
Speaker 1: I know, I mean not the real Holland Taylor. I
Speaker 1: want her to be so happy, for sure. But but yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean I I was rooting for that relationship. It
Speaker 1: seems like they were happy together, although you know she
Speaker 1: unquestionably I don't know. I mean, I guess it would
Speaker 1: have been worse if George moved to Sam I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: there would it would have been worse. I just really
Speaker 1: I remembered where we were. No, but like, it makes
Speaker 1: more sense that she would move there than he would
Speaker 1: move to where she was, because it seemed like she
Speaker 1: didn't want to be there anyways, right, But yeah, it
Speaker 1: does mean that she has to give up her question
Speaker 1: mark job. She has to give up her job and
Speaker 1: family that she loves. But I don't know that she
Speaker 1: loves her family or has a job. And that's a
Speaker 1: conversation for another day. Sure sure, sure, um, So we've
Speaker 1: got that, We've got the very underdeveloped characters of the
Speaker 1: Porters and mister Quame a general misrepresentation of Africa in general,
Speaker 1: for sure, and in a movie that largely takes place
Speaker 1: in Africa to be mostly about white people, is um.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a very Hollywood thing to do, but
Speaker 1: it's not. We don't like it. It's bad. How many
Speaker 1: fingers are you going to give the movie? Um? I'll
Speaker 1: give it one and a half fingigers. And where are
Speaker 1: you putting those fingers? Well, I think it's important that
Speaker 1: I give one or I put I put a finger
Speaker 1: into our special guests on the show Bamby. They would
Speaker 1: love in that. Oh my god, they would flip. And
Speaker 1: then my half finger, just the tip I will put
Speaker 1: this is horrible. Um, I'll put my half finger into No.
Speaker 1: I'm just okay. No, you said into no one, no
Speaker 1: one told you to do that. I'll put it into George.
Speaker 1: What about you, Jamie? Where are you putting your fingers?
Speaker 1: I look, this has nothing to really do with my
Speaker 1: intellectual opinion. I just wanna you know, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: throwing in two fingers because I want to have a
Speaker 1: good time one and a half. Come on, we're already here.
Speaker 1: You true fair for what? Okay, I'm gonna give it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it two fingers, and I'm gonna give them. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. You know, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: them both to Betsy because it seems like she really
Speaker 1: wanted to do something with her fingers for sure, and
Speaker 1: I wish her the best in her future fingering endeavors.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's feminist of me to do
Speaker 1: DoD feminine finger Um. So that is where the recording
Speaker 1: cuts off. Luckily we were almost done with the show. Um,
Speaker 1: the part that got cut off, it is just us
Speaker 1: saying thanks to everyone who came out to the show,
Speaker 1: Thanks again to SF sketch Fest for having us, Thanks
Speaker 1: to our special guests Lauren D. Titanic and Bambi orwell
Speaker 1: was that your fake name, Jamie Bambi orwell, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that those that okay, fake name, Hello, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: those are real people, our friend Kaitlyn d. Sorry, Lauren D. Titanic, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is um not at all even close to being
Speaker 1: an anagram of Kaitlyn Durante, so don't even try to
Speaker 1: make that connection. And Bambi or will like literally just not.
Speaker 1: It's just that's just the name of a human woman
Speaker 1: and a woman in stems, so watch your mouth, and
Speaker 1: a real person. So yeah, and a real human person
Speaker 1: is the best I can say for her, yeah, other
Speaker 1: than that she's I'm afraid of her. But thank you
Speaker 1: to Lauren and Bamby for lending their their cat facts,
Speaker 1: their animal facts in general. Depending on how much you
Speaker 1: hate them. Maybe they'll be back someday. Yeah, let us know,
Speaker 1: really currently unclear if they be welcome back. Let us
Speaker 1: know how horrified you were by those real people. And
Speaker 1: while you're at it, give us five stars on Apple Podcasts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's always a nice thing to do, And be
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Speaker 1: we will We'll see you next week. Bye bye,