1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: On this episode of Newsworld, what really happened in the 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty election. Millions of Americans who experienced the most 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: troubling election of their lives really want answers. In her 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: new book, national bestselling author an award winning journalist, Molly 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: Hemingway reveals the stories that affected the outcome of the election. 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Her book Rigged, How the Media, Big Tech, and the 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: Democrats Seized our Elections is a thorough accounting of how 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: the left wing media, democratic leaders, and big tech oligarchs 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: colluded to create an election system designed to defeat Trump 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: and future Republican candidates. And I'm really pleased to welcome 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: my guest, Molly Hemingway. She's a co author of the 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: national bestseller Justice on Trial, The Kavanaugh Confirmation, in the 13 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: Future of the Supreme Court. She's a senior editor of 14 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: the online magazine which I recommend highly, The Federalist, which 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: she helped launch, and she's a Fox News contributor. Molly, 16 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. Thank you so much. Speaker Ingrid, 17 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: I'm curious you're one of the few members of the 18 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: media who was able to obtain multiple interviews with former 19 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: President Trump. Can you tell us about some of the 20 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: other sources you spoke to in developing this. Yeah, when 21 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: I wrote Justice on Trial with my co author Kerrie Saverino, 22 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: we interviewed more than one hundred people to get the 23 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: story of how that confirmation went down, and I knew 24 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to do a similar approach with the twenty 25 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: twenty election, even as crazed and nationwide and complicated as 26 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: it was. And so I did get to interview President 27 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: Trump three times, and that was very high helpful. But 28 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: also just many people in the campaign, the Republican National Committee, 29 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: and then quite a few people at the state level 30 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: and local election officials, because so much of what happened 31 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: occurred at the state and local level, and it was 32 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: important for me to understand what they were dealing with. 33 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: And so I found that insight from these people, whether 34 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: they were really high level or whether they were local 35 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: election attorneys figuring stuff out in Philadelphia, the whole thing 36 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: was helpful. Yeah, it's really interesting as I think back 37 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: over the years, I think the last time Democrats actually 38 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: accepted the legitimacy of losing in a presidential campaign was 39 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight, when George H. W. Bush won 40 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: by a huge margin. The fact is that in two 41 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: thousand they smeared President George W. Bush and kept saying 42 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: that he was selected, not elected. When Bush won reelection 43 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: in two thousand and four, many on the left claimed 44 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: that voting machines in Ohio had been rigged to deliver 45 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: fraudulent votes. And after the twenty sixteen election, the political 46 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: and media establishments claimed Russian collusion as to why Trump won, 47 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: which I always thought was because nobody could actually walk 48 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: in and tell Hillary to her face that she was 49 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: a terrible candidate. Why do you see this constant pressure 50 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: on the left to not accept election outcomes. Well, this 51 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: situation has been bad for a while, as you know 52 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: that Democrats haven't fully accepted election results for presidential elections 53 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: they've lost. But the twenty sixteen situation really deserves focus. 54 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: That was one where they couldn't accept that they lost, 55 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: to the point that they spread this completely insane conspiracy 56 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: theory that they hadn't lost, that Donald Trump had colluded 57 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: with Russia to steal the election. And this wasn't something 58 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: that was just a fringe theory that a few people 59 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: held to. This was embraced by the entire corporate media environment. 60 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: The entire Democrat Party, even some squishy Republicans were buying 61 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: into this. They kept that drum beat going for years. 62 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: It was based on nothing, and it was very damaging 63 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: to the republic. And then these same individuals who did 64 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: this four years gave each other awards for how they 65 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: spread this conspiracy theory. Then said that in twenty twenty, 66 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: an election unlike any one we've ever seen in this country, 67 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: with hundreds of changes to laws and procedures, with COVID, 68 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: and with the media going from bias to outright propaganda, 69 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: with tech companies meddling in the election in so many 70 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: horrifying ways. Then they said you can't have any questions 71 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: about the election. And it's that combination of how crazed 72 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: and conspiratorial they were from twenty sixteen through November twenty twenty, 73 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: combined with their refusal to allow any discussion of very 74 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: real shenanigans and problems that I think is so striking well. 75 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: And their reaction to all this was to write what 76 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: they call HR one, which would actually make the whole 77 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: election process more corrupt. It's striking to me that both 78 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: the Caltech MIT Voting Technology Project back in two thousand 79 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: and one said that the greatest fraud problems may lie 80 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: in absentee balloting, and in two thousand and five of 81 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: bipartisan commission, ironically co chaired by Jimmy Carter, found that 82 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: absentee balloting was the largest source of potential fraud in 83 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: American elections. And the reaction the Democrat says to maximize 84 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: the likelihood of millions and millions of people voting absentee. 85 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: What do you ascribe to their underlying passion for trying 86 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: to create the maximum opportunity for vote theft? Right up 87 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: until about a year ago, everyone acknowledged that mail in 88 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: balloting was the largest source of fraud or just other 89 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: election irregularities. That was true in the United States, where 90 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: the New York Times and the Washington Post used to 91 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: say it. It's true in France where they actually banned 92 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: mail in balloting because of so many problems with and 93 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: then it became Democrats strategy. And I think the strategy 94 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: has a few different reasons behind it. One is that 95 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: there really is a partisan divide in willingness or eagerness 96 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: to vote by mail. I don't fully understand why this is, 97 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: but it is very striking that Republicans are extremely hesitant 98 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: to trust a vote by mail process, whereas Democrats tend 99 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: to have confidence in it. And so if you privilege 100 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: vote by mail and its insecurity over other forms of voting, 101 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: you're really privileging the Democrat Party. And there is also 102 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: the issue that it became strategy just because the chaos 103 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: is actually the point. Mark Elias, Who's someone that I 104 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: talk a lot about in the book, is this Democrat attorney. 105 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: He was at Perkins Coupi, this very big Democrat firm 106 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: that was the pass through for the Russia hoax. They're 107 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: the ones who hired the people who created the Russia hoax. 108 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: They took Hillary Clinton's money, Democratic National Committee money, and 109 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: they invented this false and damaging smear that did so 110 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: much damage to the country. Mark Elias is also the 111 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: guy who ran the strategy to wildly expand mail in 112 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: balloting at the same time that scrutiny of mail in 113 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: ballots was eliminated or seriously decreased. And I think it's 114 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: because that's the point. They want to create chaos. They 115 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: want to have uncertainty, they want to have a much 116 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: larger sphere of litigation where they can battle things out. 117 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: Elias has a history of winning races that he lost, 118 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: by which I mean if you remember the Al Franken 119 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: Senate election where he lost that race, but Mark Elias 120 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: came in and was able to litigate his way into 121 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: a victory. That was a significant victory because it gave 122 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: Democrats the supermajority they needed to pass Obamacare. And so 123 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: it's a feature for them. The chaos, the confusion, the disruption, 124 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: the illegality is a benefit. That's what they're going for. 125 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: It's fascinating. I mean, Elias himself is one of the 126 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: central figures in the corruption of the American system. His 127 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: fingerprints are almost everywhere. They were, certainly in Georgia. He 128 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: apparently is sort of the chief lawyer for creating corrupt 129 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: elections and gem across across the country. Recognize his importance, 130 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: and I think that's his focus. It's absolutely his focus. 131 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: He has a long history of doing it. He's been 132 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: involved on a lot of races. He has no qualms 133 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: about taking completely contradictory positions. For instance, when he was 134 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: trying to steal Claudia Tenny's victory in a New York 135 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: congressional race in twenty twenty, he was claiming that dominion 136 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: voting systems were hackable and corrupt, But then he'll mock 137 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: people who say that on the other side of things, 138 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: because his goal is simply winning for Democrats. If he's 139 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: on the upside of a close recount, he will denounce 140 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: recount efforts. If he's on the downside of a recount, 141 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: he'll be very tenacious in his fight to enable a recount. 142 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: But he has this whole army of help too. It's 143 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: kind of easy to win when you have a lot 144 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: of money and power behind you. And because he's been 145 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: general counsel for so many prominent Democrats and so many 146 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: democratic organizations, and he has all of these left wing 147 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: groups that are willing to he'll file the lawsuit, but 148 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: he'll just take one of their names off the shelf 149 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: and get them to pretend that they're the ones who 150 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: are actually fighting to decrease election security. And Republicans really 151 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: have not done that. Now, partly they haven't done that 152 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: for reasons of their own failure, but partly I also 153 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: get into this in the book. They've had some legal 154 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: challenges that made it impossible for them to do election 155 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: day operations and oversight for nearly forty years and I 156 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: know you probably are aware of this, but I had 157 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: no idea that they were under this consent decree arising 158 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: from a conflict in the early nineteen eighties in New 159 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: Jersey where they weren't allowed to do any election day 160 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: oversight until twenty eighteen. They kept on having this continued 161 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: because there was this very lefty judge who kept keeping 162 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: them under this consent decree and he even took senior 163 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: status where he retained some of his old cases just 164 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: so he could keep it going. And it's just insane. 165 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: Republicans were fighting with both hands tied behind their back. 166 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: They had no ability to do litigation until twenty eighteen. 167 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: They almost had it continued even at that point because 168 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: Sean Spicer literally was on the wrong floor of Trump 169 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: Tower one day and they almost extended the consent decree 170 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: even longer. So there just wasn't that muscle memory with Republicans. 171 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: There's not the money that Elias and his team of 172 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: Democrat attorneys have, and also there was a lack of 173 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: creativity and innovation and strategy behind it too. Yeah, I mean, 174 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm very struck that the Democratic lawyers tend to be 175 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: tougher and more ruthless and more experienced and candidly just 176 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: smarter than the Republican lawyers. It's kind of odd. They're 177 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: willing to do things that Republicans aren't. That might be 178 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: too Republicans credit. But this is warfare and it's politics, 179 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: and you have to be tough. Well, I mean in 180 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: Georgia where you look at the consent degree there in 181 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: the agreement that they got who Stacey Abrams which was 182 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: Mark Elias. Again, you have a national level player coming 183 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: in dealing with Georgia Republican lawyers who are simply out 184 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: of their league. They're not ready to deal with somebody 185 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: of his experience and his power. And I talked with 186 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: some of them about why they agreed. So what happened 187 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: there is Mark Elias came in and sued the Secretary 188 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: of State. It's a common strategy Elias and other Democrats use. 189 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: All election law changes are supposed to happen through the 190 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: state legislature, but sometimes you don't have a friendly state 191 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: legislature who will be willing to go along with your plot, 192 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: and so he would sue a state official and get 193 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: them to settle. Now, usually he was doing that against 194 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: Democrat state officials in Georgia. He did it with a 195 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: Republican state official, and the Republican agreed to it. And 196 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: that was one of many things where Georgia was a 197 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: frustrating mess compared to other states. And partly though, it 198 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: wasn't just Raffensburger who agreed to that, there were other 199 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: Republicans who counseled him to agree to it. Their thinking was, 200 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: and I think this really speaks to what you're saying. 201 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: If we agree to this, then judges will go easy 202 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: on us in later battles. I mean, this is not 203 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: an approach that Democrat attorneys take. They go for the 204 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: jugular every single time, and then they win. You know, 205 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: however many they win. Republicans sort of take this defensive 206 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: posture like there's something wrong with election security, when in 207 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: fact it actually is very important for the survival of 208 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: the republic. They apologize for it, or at least they 209 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: did in Georgia. I talked with Florida officials and they 210 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: said that when people came after them to weaken their 211 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: election integrity and they claimed that election integrity is racist, 212 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: they told them all to buzz off. But in Georgia, 213 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: for some reason, it worked and they all kind of 214 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: coward and decided to agree to a weakening of mail 215 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: in balloting verification. I don't think they realized at the 216 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: time how many ballots would come out that way. But 217 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: then they did other stuff they weren't even being asked 218 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: to do, like mailing out to every single address on 219 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: the list an application for a mail in ballot. They 220 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: didn't need to do that, or if they did it, 221 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: they could have combined it with some kind of security measure, 222 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: like the applications could have come back if the address 223 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: was undeliverable. You know, they were sending them out first 224 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: class mail. This should have been something they could have done. 225 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: There's just a lot of really weird and frankly stupid 226 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: decisions made by the Georgia Secretary of States Office, and 227 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: I get into it in great detail in the book. 228 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: But it was frustrating because I think they should have 229 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: known better. Well, that's what I'm struck with the Georgia. 230 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: A series of agreements were like amateur city. I mean, 231 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: you couldn't quite figure out why they would agree to 232 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: set up to rig a game. I tell people, I 233 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: don't believe the election was stole on election Day. I 234 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: think the whole election was rigged, and the rigging was 235 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: like a year long process. I mean, that's where your 236 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: book is perfect and as actually what Trump should pick 237 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: up on. I mean, you know, instead of talking about 238 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: stealing the election on election Day, he really ought to 239 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: be talking about this was the most rigged election in 240 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: American history. And I think your book really helps make 241 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: that case. And it's not just what we're talking about 242 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: with elias and weakening protections. It's so much more and 243 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: it was all coordinated. I'd talked in the book about 244 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: how Mark Zuckerberg, one of the world's wealthiest and most 245 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: powerful men, spent four hundred and nineteen million dollars to 246 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: do a private takeover of government election offices. This is 247 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: another issue where Georgia plays a huge role, because Georgia 248 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: got more funding than any other state relative to its population. 249 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: It gets forty five million dollars in what are called 250 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: Zuckerberg Bucks or Zuckbucks. And what he did is he 251 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: funded these left wing organizations and then they in turn 252 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: funded produc dominently democrat counties in swing states. They brought 253 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: in an army of people to do voter registration, targeted 254 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: voter registration in Democrat heavy areas, ballot design, ballot translation, 255 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: ballot counting, ballot harvesting, ballot everything, and they went into 256 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: a system that is supposed to be scrupulously nonpartisan. And 257 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: you again compare, just because it's easy. Example, you compare Florida, 258 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: which got a little bit of Zuckerberg funding but not 259 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: nearly as much as Georgia. That state goes two points 260 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: to the right for Republicans. Trump won by one, he 261 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: wins by three. In twenty twenty. Georgia goes from what 262 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: five points for Trump to one point for Biden. It's 263 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: a massive change. It doesn't make any sense unless you 264 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: understand that they were embedding into the system, that they 265 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: were artificially driving up votes in blue areas and not 266 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: read areas, and that this was a very partisan takeover 267 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: of government election offices. And I just want to say again, 268 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: unlike every other state where you see this, it was 269 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: the Republican Secretary of States office that thought it would 270 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: be a great idea to bring these people in to 271 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: run Democrat get out the vote operations from inside the system. 272 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: It's just mind boggling. Having been active in campaigns for 273 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: a very very long time, I don't understand how somebody 274 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: can spend over four hundred million dollars to effect an election, 275 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: and it's not a violation of campaign law. So there 276 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: were some challenges before the election where people suspected something 277 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: was wrong, but judges tended to say, well, they're funding 278 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: both Democrat and Republican counties, and that was true. In Pennsylvania. 279 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: They funded Republican counties to the tune of like five 280 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: thousand dollars literally five thousand dollars, Philadelphia ten million dollars, 281 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: so technically bipartisan, but not in any meaningful sense even 282 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: when you adjust for population. They were strategic in how 283 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: they did it, but it was hard to detect because 284 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: a lot of this information only became clear after the election. 285 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: And now researchers are looking into what the effect of 286 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: this partisan funding was, and they are finding a very 287 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: partisan effect. So there was this team of researchers in Texas. 288 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: They were really interested because they are Texas based, so 289 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: they were interested in how it affected Texas. They did 290 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: Bayesian analysis. These economists did a very highly sensitive way 291 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: of analyzing the data to determine what the effect of 292 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: this funding was and determined that it yielded two hundred 293 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: thousand more votes for Biden than if it hadn't happened. 294 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: And you think, well, Texas safely for Trump and Republicans. 295 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: Republicans had a great year in Texas. So what's the 296 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: big deal. Well, you might remember in twenty eighteen Ted 297 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: Cruz won by only just over two hundred thousand votes 298 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: a statewide race. Two hundred thousand votes is massive, and 299 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: all it takes in Georgia is eleven thousand votes, and 300 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: they spent forty five million dollars in Georgia. Do you 301 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: think it was enough to have the election go the 302 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: opposite way? It's not even in question. It's such a 303 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: big effect that this had. Well, and frankly, I'm worried 304 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 1: very much about the governor's race in Virginia for the 305 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: same reason. Fairfax County has already announced that they're going 306 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: to report late, which means, of course, they'll let the 307 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: rest of the state run up Junkin's majority, and then 308 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 1: they'll try to find enough extra votes to offset it, 309 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: even if those votes involve people who aren't real I 310 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: think Virginia has been a test case for Democrats in 311 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: many ways. They have this early off your election, and 312 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: so what happened four years ago was they took over 313 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: the state legislature through very targeted funding and voter efforts, 314 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: and sometimes they're doing it in violation of the law. 315 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: There are all sorts of lawsuits flying about right now. 316 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 1: Of course, judges don't like to get involved in election 317 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: disputes prior to elections, and then they also don't like 318 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: to get involved after elections, and it's creating a complete 319 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: mess because again the Democrat strategy is chaos and confusion, 320 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: and you need some of the Supreme Court opinions or 321 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: you know, when they would decide not to hear an opinion, 322 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: sometimes the judges would offer some thoughts on that, and 323 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: I think it was Thomas who said that he was 324 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: very opposed to not hearing a case. Their grounds were 325 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: that it was moot because it wouldn't affect the outcome 326 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: of the election in this particular case, and he said, 327 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: that's why we should hear it. We should, of course 328 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: clarify these issues when it's not going to have a 329 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: profound effect one way or the other, because there are 330 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: elections coming up where we need to clarify is it 331 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: legal to do this or not legal to do that? 332 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: And you have counties in states across the country where 333 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: you see a disparate reaction to the law. So again 334 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, they say you're not supposed to check ballots 335 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: before election day, but the Trump campaign figures out that 336 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: they are checking ballots before election day in some Democrat counties, 337 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: by which I mean they are looking at the outer 338 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: envelope to see if everything's filled out correctly and taking 339 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: it back to voters if it's not. Republican lead counties 340 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: viewed that as illegal. Democrat counties were able to do it, 341 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: that disenfranchises the voters in the Republican led counties, you know. 342 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: So it's all these problems where you need to clarify specifically, 343 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: can you do this or can you not do that? 344 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes Republicans would be fine with learning that the law 345 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: doesn't apply, so long as it's clear so that if 346 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: they do it, they don't get in trouble. When I 347 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: finally understood the scale of what Zuckerberg had done, it's 348 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: a breathtaking assault on the whole system. And it may 349 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: be technically legal because he has really good lawyers, but 350 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: it clearly goes against the entire spirit of the Constitution 351 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: and the entire spirit of American law. But what was 352 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: even more visible and obvious and is going on to 353 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: this very day. The degree to which the Silicon Valley 354 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: oligarchs are enthusiastic about censoring conservatives and censoring people that 355 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: they don't agree with. There's one thing when they knocked 356 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: Trump off before the election, even though he was the 357 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: incumbent President of States and went on to receive well 358 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: over seventy three million votes. So the Taliban as a 359 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: spokesman on Twitter, but Trump doesn't. If you think about it, 360 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of astonishing. It's such totalitarian and terrifying stuff 361 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: happening there. Again, I think back to the twenty sixteen election, 362 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: where the media and other Democrats claimed that the entire 363 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: election was in question because Russians had bought like one 364 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in Facebook ads, some of which targeted Trump, 365 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: some of which targeted Hillary Clinton. Compare that paltry spending 366 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: with what big Tech did when they all openly stated 367 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: after the twenty sixteen election that they would never let 368 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: what happened happen again. And what they meant by that 369 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: was because the media were so corrupt, Donald Trump was 370 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: able to take his message directly to the American people 371 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: through social media. So they felt guilty that if people 372 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: actually were able to hear from a candidate that they 373 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: might vote for him. So they said that they would 374 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: squash his messaging and they did, and they did it 375 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 1: in multiple ways. They censored and d platformed non leftist voices, 376 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: particularly the ones that were effective meme makers and publishers 377 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: and people that really are important for freedom of information. 378 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: They gained their algorithms to suppress conservative speech and elevate 379 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: leftist speech, and they also did that most horrifying thing 380 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: or you know, and they're even like censoring the president 381 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: himself when he would say mail in balloting has some problems, 382 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: and they would censor it, and they would say, this 383 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: isn't true, even though it's true. You could have any 384 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: kind of crazy conspiracy theory on the left, like you 385 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: had prominent people claiming that the Post Office was engaged 386 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: in a conspiracy against Joe Biden. That wouldn't get flagged. 387 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: Only President tweets would be flagged. And the worst thing 388 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: for me was the hunter Biden's story, which is inarguably 389 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: something Americans had a right to know about before they voted. 390 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: This was about the Biden family business, which near as 391 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: we can tell is that foreign leaders and oligarchs give 392 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: lots of money to members of the Biden family and 393 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: we're really not sure or why, and that should raise suspicions. 394 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: You know, why is this crack adduled an income poop 395 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 1: getting so much money from foreign oligarchs? What are they 396 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: getting in return for it? That should have been a 397 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: major source of journalistic inquiry, and it was either a 398 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: minor source or ignored or brutally suppressed. And that alone 399 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: affects how many millions of votes by not sharing that information. 400 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: The degree to which the Biden families corrupt and the 401 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: degree to which the system is corrupt and protecting their 402 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: corruption is sort of a real challenge to the whole 403 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: basis of America. I think I find by the way, 404 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: if we send out pictures, which my wife Callisto, loves 405 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: to do, they get really big responses. If we send 406 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: out a thought piece, it gets a much smaller response 407 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: because it's suppressed. And they apparently for some reason, don't 408 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: suppress the pictures, but they do suppress the written material 409 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: that's going on right now. And it's a perennial fight 410 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: mostly with Google, but then secondarily with Facebook, not much 411 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: with Twitter at the present time for some reason, and 412 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: they're more powerful than the most powerful government in the world, 413 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: the United States. They were able to d platform the 414 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: sitting president and face no repercussions. And I think a 415 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: lot of Americans look at this. I mean even a 416 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: lot of foreigners looked at this and said, this is horrifying. 417 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: But they're not seeing an appropriate level of reaction from 418 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: the leadership that they think should be there. I understand 419 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: that Democrats, because of the way that they handled this election, 420 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: won the presidency, the Senate, and the House, but that 421 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that Republicans don't exist anywhere. A lot of 422 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: Americans are wondering, why are we not seeing more of 423 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: a pushback to some of these totalitarian measures, this dystopic 424 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: communication environment that you would associate more with Soviet Russia 425 00:24:52,280 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: than the United States of America. To what each stent, 426 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: Are you worried that in twenty two and twenty four 427 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: we're going to see the same kind of deliberate rigging 428 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: of the election? Well, I think it's important that people 429 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: think that way. Thinking forward. People say, oh, you shouldn't 430 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: talk about this, it's in the past, it's over. Well 431 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: it's not over a lot of the changes that they 432 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: made are affecting all elections going forward. And if you 433 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: want to have election security and confidence in elections and 434 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: a meaningful system where the entire system isn't rigged, you 435 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: have to care going forward. But I'm actually somewhat optimistic 436 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: about where we are now versus where we were a 437 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: few years ago. The awareness people have of how important 438 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: election integrity is is just off the charts compared to 439 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: where it was a couple of years ago. You're people 440 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: more involved, You're people actually working to ban certain practices. 441 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: Is that threatened the integrity of the system, like the 442 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: private takeover of government election offices or decreased scrutiny for 443 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: mail in ballots. So these issues aren't new. You think 444 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: about the Democrat Party disenfranchised an entire race of people 445 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: in the South Jim Crow laws where they didn't want 446 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: black people voting, and so they had all these means 447 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: of manipulating the system. And we targeted it and we 448 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: worked on it, and we fixed it, and so people 449 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: shouldn't despair over it. This is a part of our 450 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: history that people with power like to disenfranchise other people 451 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: and call it election integrity when it's not. And so 452 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: people are aware and working on it, and there's a 453 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: lot more interest and even money, because I think money 454 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: is required for this battle. I hope the money is 455 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: being spent smartly. But Democrats really have a really great 456 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: coordinated system in place to weaken election integrity, and it's 457 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: important that the rest of the country have resources to 458 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: fight it. You look back at the totality of your research, 459 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: do you think it's fair to say that the two 460 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: twenty election was in fact rigged? I love the title, 461 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: and I had actually thought before the election that the 462 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: corruption of the media and big tech alone created a 463 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: system that was not free your fare. And you look 464 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: at international election observers and they say that if you're 465 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: in a propaganda environment, if people don't have freedom of information, 466 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: if they are threatened physically for their political views, you know, 467 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: all things that we experienced in spades in the years 468 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: prior to twenty twenty, then you don't have a free 469 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: and fair election. Once I actually researched what happened with 470 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: the election laws and processes and private funding, I mean, 471 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: it's not even close to being in question. It was 472 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: no way to run an election. We cannot have a 473 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 1: country survive if we do this in the future, and 474 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: it's very important that people do what it takes to 475 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: clean things up. I had talked with President Trump about 476 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: changing from stone to Rigged before your book came out, 477 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: as he talked to you about it. Your book is 478 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: the perfect text for what I think he should say, 479 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: which is on behalf of the American people. He had 480 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: challenged the entire national establishment, and the national establishment literally 481 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: from election night on in twenty sixteen set out to 482 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: destroy him. I think you have to go back to 483 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: Andrew Jackson to see a fight this deep, not counting 484 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: the Civil War, which is a different kind of animal, 485 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: but a power struggle between the establishment and a genuine 486 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: upsurge in populism. And obviously he's not going away. And 487 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: I think as people read your book and begin to 488 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: really think about you've got to be very angry that 489 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: people like Zuckerberg think that they have the right to 490 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: dictate to the American people and to rig the game 491 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: on behalf of their ideology and their values. It's exactly 492 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: the opposite of the American model. So what I found 493 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: it interesting about interviewing President Trump is that and I 494 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: know you probably know this better than I do, he 495 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: actually understands all these issues and talks about them. He 496 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: knows in detail what they did, and he knows why. 497 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,239 Speaker 1: He understands the big picture that they were willing to 498 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: do whatever it took. When that Time magazine article came 499 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: out that confessed the crime, you know, they called it 500 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: election fortifying, but of course it's election rigging. It was 501 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: about the cabal of left wing elites who did everything 502 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: it took and threw out every norm in order to 503 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: ensure that Donald Trump wasn't reelected. He gets all of that, 504 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: He understands the complexity of the situation, and then when 505 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: he publicly talks about it, he puts it in terms 506 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: of theft. And I understand that he likes to simplify arguments. 507 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: And I don't give advice to politicians, that's not my role. 508 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: But I think partly the problem is the accurate story 509 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: is such a complicated story, but it's actually really important because, 510 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: like we're talking about, they're going to keep doing it 511 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: going forward. But that's why your book's helpful, because your 512 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: book begins to make obvious and begins to have the 513 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: factual presentation that you can't had. In a thirty second 514 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: television commentary, I'm curious what's your advice to both conservative 515 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: activists and publications and to conservative candidates for twenty twenty 516 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: two given what you've learned. One of the big problems 517 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: right now is that corporate media have successfully kept people 518 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: from talking about what really happened, and I personally believe 519 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: that's because they want to run the same operation again. 520 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: So I think reframing the conversation around what actually happened 521 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: and being bold in defense of the idea that elections 522 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: have to have security if you have a republic, you know, 523 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: democracy depends on the consent not of the winners, but 524 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: of the losers. Winners always accept election results. Losers need 525 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: to have confidence in the election results in order for 526 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: the republic to survive. So I think focusing the conversation 527 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: on what actually can be done and getting it done, 528 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: and also just reminding people the consequences of not having 529 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: election integrity we have because of the way we ran 530 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: this election, uniparty control in the country. It has not 531 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: even been a year and the country is really suffering, 532 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: and so all of these issues are connected and they 533 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: need to be thought through in a connected fashion if 534 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: people want to save the republic going forward. I just 535 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: have to ask you before I let you go, have 536 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: you picked a new book yet? I actually just had 537 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: this realization after this book. This book is selling well, 538 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: and so I thought, oh, I've co authored a book 539 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: that was a bestseller, and now I've authored a book 540 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: that's a bestseller, and I guess I'm an author now. 541 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: It took me two books to realize that I write 542 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: books right. Well, for me, it's like after having a baby, 543 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: you say I'm never going to do this again, and 544 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: then a little while later you're like, one't another baby? 545 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: Be nice? So in this case, I'm at the point 546 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: of thinking I'll never write another book, but we'll see 547 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: what happens. In a year. I wrote a lot on 548 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: the Russia collusion hoax. As a reporter. I researched that, 549 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: and I'm very proud of the work I did and 550 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: the work we did at the Federalist. I kind of 551 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: am waiting for that story to conclude so that I 552 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: can write a book about the whole thing and make 553 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: sense an order of it. But it just dragging on, 554 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: so I don't know how long I'm gonna have to wait. 555 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you could write a book called 556 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: the Hoax about the Russian hoax. It really is sort 557 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: of a variation on Churchills and enigma wrapped in are riddled. 558 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: It is unbelievable that the country endured that it's the 559 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: journalistic story of the millennium, and people just aren't covering 560 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: it because they were participants in it. And so those 561 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: of us who did figure it out pretty early that 562 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: it was a hoax and that it was a lie, 563 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: we had to do a lot of work with not 564 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: a lot of resources, but we were able to get 565 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: the true story out and I'm so proud to have 566 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: been a part of that. But it reminds you of 567 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: how corrupt some government actors are, some politicians are, and 568 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: how they engage in this corrupt behavior. It wasn't just 569 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: a one off. It's literally the same team that did 570 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: that that did to our twenty twenty elections. What they 571 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: did right, and the depth of just raising dishonesty by 572 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: some of the members of Congress, for example, it's breathtaking 573 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: how willing they were to go out and lie and 574 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: make no bones about it. Why not have there been 575 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: any repercussions. Adam Schiff claimed that he had evidence of 576 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: collusion between Trump and Russia that was a lie, and 577 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: he has not been held accountable, and the corporate media 578 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: still reward him and treat him as if he's a 579 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: credible source. There's no downside to lying in this country. 580 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: They operate on the premise that the narrative is more 581 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: important than the fact. Yeah, it's amazing. They have the 582 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: political power to show for it too. Listen, I want 583 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: to thank you for joining me if you've done something 584 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: really important and really complicated. The fact that you slowed 585 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: down actually took apart what happened put it together in 586 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: an understandable form. I think everybody who has any doubt 587 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: about the twenty election or to purchase a copy of 588 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: Rigged how the media, big tech on the Democrats seized 589 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: our elections. But we're gonna have a link to the 590 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: book on our show page. I look forward to whatever 591 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: you write next, and I look forward to everything you 592 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: write at the Federalists and seeing you on Fox. So 593 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,239 Speaker 1: it's really only a terrific thing that you would come 594 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: and be willing to share with us. 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