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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Happy Friday, Helpe.

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Speaker 1: All of you are having a fantastic start to your

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Speaker 1: weekend and we hopefully will make that a little bit

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Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

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Speaker 1: We have got a lot of interesting stories to dive

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Speaker 1: in with you. We certainly want to thank all of

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Speaker 1: our veterans out there that are listening. We will have

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Speaker 1: special veterans related activities and events that will be taking

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Speaker 1: place during the course of today's program, and so we

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Speaker 1: thank you right off the top. The news that we

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Speaker 1: broke yesterday of Joe Manchin not running for re election

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Speaker 1: in West Virginia has continued to reverberate throughout the political landscape.

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Speaker 1: We will not only think about what the impact of

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Speaker 1: Joe Manchin not running in West Virginia is going to be,

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Speaker 1: but also what that means for the Senate map and

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Speaker 1: what that could mean for Joe Manchin as he explores

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Speaker 1: potentially running as a no labels candidate as a party

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Speaker 1: Jill Stein. Many of you will remember Jill Stein, formerly

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Speaker 1: of the Green Party, still of the Green Party. I

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Speaker 1: guess they kept her off the ballot for twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: She may well have cost Hillary in twenty sixteen the

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Speaker 1: election in many close states. She's now going to be

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Speaker 1: running back on the ballot. Theoretically, we'll see whether she

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Speaker 1: can make it on in any contested states. It's starting

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Speaker 1: to look like everyone's presidential ballot is going to have

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Speaker 1: maybe more options than we have seen in most of

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Speaker 1: our lives.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that, but Buck, I wanted to start.

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Speaker 1: We talked earlier this week about the New York Times

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Speaker 1: Swing State Pole, which showed that Trump was up in

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Speaker 1: five of the six swing states that the New York

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Speaker 1: Times polled, and Wisconsin was the only one that Biden

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Speaker 1: was winning and it was very close. There now is

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Speaker 1: another pole that is out from a totally different place,

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Speaker 1: bloom and The Morning Consult, I believe is where that

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Speaker 1: is the overlap. And what is intriguing here is guess

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Speaker 1: what it's showing almost the exact same results. Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: reacted to that. I'll play that for you in a moment.

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Speaker 1: But here is that poll result. Georgia Trump is up seven,

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Speaker 1: Arizona Trump is up four. This is according to Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Morning Consult Pennsylvania, Trump is up three, Nevada, Trump is

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Speaker 1: up three. Wisconsin, they have Trump up one. North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: they have Trump up nine. Michigan they have dead. Even

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Speaker 1: So in those seven states, according to Bloomberg and the

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Speaker 1: Morning Consult Buck right now, Joe Biden is not leading

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Speaker 1: in any of them. The best result he has is dead,

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Speaker 1: even in Michigan. I'm gonna play Biden in a moment,

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Speaker 1: but I want to let you react to this.

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Speaker 2: Is it fair to say, based.

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Speaker 1: On Bloomberg now in the New York Times, I think

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Speaker 1: two outlets that you would say are not predisposed to

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Speaker 1: be favorable towards Trump that at this moment in time,

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Speaker 1: as we sit here a little bit less than a

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Speaker 1: year from the twenty twenty four election, Joe Biden is

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Speaker 1: in really difficult shape and all these swing states, and

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Speaker 1: if the election were today, Trump would have a very

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Speaker 1: good chance of winning.

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Speaker 3: So here are the takeaways that I have from at Clay,

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Speaker 3: given where we are in the timeline, because all this

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Speaker 3: is prefaced with the elections a year out and a

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Speaker 3: year is an eternity in politics, and we all know that, right,

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Speaker 3: But why does it really matter? Why is it really

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Speaker 3: catch a lot of attention right now that the polls

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Speaker 3: show what they show even at this early juncture, right,

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Speaker 3: I think, on the one hand, it is the strongest

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Speaker 3: proof we have to date that not only have the

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Speaker 3: indictments against Donald Trump strengthened him with the Republican base,

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Speaker 3: there seems to be an even broader revolt from the

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Speaker 2: Right He's he's.

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Speaker 3: Getting numbers beyond just the Trump base, if he's crushing

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Speaker 3: Biden in swing states, that's right, That's so. That is

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Speaker 3: one I think really important data point that the that

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Speaker 3: least is worthy of discussion, is what we talk about

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Speaker 3: and have been talking about frequently, which is, are Democrats

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Speaker 3: hitting the panic button on Biden as the nominee? And

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Speaker 3: if so, what does that mean? What do they do?

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Speaker 3: This is I think a somewhat fluid situation, meaning I

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Speaker 3: still believe although now I'm sweating a little bit on

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Speaker 3: enough prominent Democrats out there who are concerned that they're

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Speaker 3: probably considering options and thinking what is the break the

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: I still believe there is a constitutionally mandated plan b

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Speaker 3: obviously don't like that very much, although I believe she

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Speaker 3: does a little better than Biden. And polling recently, am

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Speaker 3: I wrong in thinking that the New York Times everybody

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Speaker 3: did better than Biden? Which is really undercutting the argument

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Speaker 3: of only Joe Biden can beat Trump. It's actually the

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Speaker 3: case according to some of the New York Times data,

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Speaker 3: that that's not true at all, and and so so

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Speaker 3: the But going back to the first point, the strategy

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Speaker 2: Indicting him so many times.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that is going to I don't

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Speaker 3: know if that's going to work with the Democrats wanted to.

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Speaker 3: There was that poll that showed a huge change in

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Speaker 3: the Swing States if Trump is convicted.

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Speaker 2: I just don't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't buy that either. So that's really

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Speaker 3: it hinges on these two. Whether you've got these two

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Speaker 3: massive questions that this surgeon really bad bad data for Buyden.

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Speaker 3: Did we play his clip his response yet or no,

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Speaker 3: we have no, Peter Doucey asked him, All right, listen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you think it is you're trailing Trump

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Speaker 2: and all these swing state polls because.

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Speaker 5: You don't read the polls. I'll get there in this

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Speaker 5: ten poles, eight of them, I'm beating him in those states,

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Speaker 5: eight of them. You guys only do two CNN and

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Speaker 5: New York Times. Check it out, check it out. We'll

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Speaker 5: get the copy of all those that polls.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see that copy of the polls that

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Speaker 1: they're giving Joe Biden. But again, the Bloomberg Pole and

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Speaker 1: the New York Times poll have almost identical results. And

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Speaker 1: listen to this, buck. This is also from the Bloomberg Pole.

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Speaker 1: Swing state voters. Who do you trust on the economy?

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Speaker 1: Trump plus sixteen? Who do you trust on immigration? Trump

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Speaker 1: Trump plus twenty? Who do you trust on prices? Trump

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Speaker 1: plus nineteen. And I'm about to hitch you with some

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Speaker 1: plus thirteen? Cost of Everyday goods Trump plus fourteen, interest

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Speaker 1: digit they trust Trump. Here's what would make me a

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Speaker 1: little nervous. Also, if I'm Biden. Who do you trust

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Speaker 1: on democracy? Swing state voters? Biden plus three only plus three?

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Speaker 1: Another one here? Another one here? Who do you trust

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Speaker 1: on abortion? Biden plus four one more? Who do you

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Speaker 1: trust on labor and unions? Trump plus one? Like these

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Speaker 1: are if Biden's only going to be a little bit

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Speaker 1: buck in these swing states, he has no chance to win.

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Speaker 3: So the democracy poll number there really steps out to me,

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Speaker 3: because here's what I think is going on. They've had

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Speaker 3: this whole narrative of January sixth, Trump is a threat

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Speaker 3: to democracy, you know, the insurrection, all this stuff, And

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Speaker 3: there was some residents that I think we saw with

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Speaker 3: Trump supported candidates. Some people disagree with that analysis, that's fine, whatever,

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Speaker 3: but it certainly was what the Democrats thought. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they were supporting even with dollars some of the more

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Speaker 3: maga candidates in some close elections. But here's what's happened

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Speaker 3: since then, the people that have been lecturing everybody about democracy,

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Speaker 3: who are also the people who are lecturing us all

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Speaker 3: about Russia collusion, which they were all wrong one, but

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Speaker 3: now they've been lecturing us about the threat to democracy,

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Speaker 3: and they have Joe Biden's DOJ covering up for Hunter,

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Speaker 3: which we've all seen it's very obvious, while at the

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Speaker 3: same time launching four I mean, I know it's only

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Speaker 3: two of them are federal, but the system, you could say,

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Speaker 3: the Democrat system launching four criminal indictments against Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: with ninety one total counts that theoretically would send him

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Speaker 3: was convicted in any of these cases. Yes, I think

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Speaker 3: people look at that and they say, you're not allowed

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Speaker 3: to lecturer us about democracy anymore. I think some people

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Speaker 3: see this and there's a bit of a pushback. There's

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Speaker 3: a bit of Hold on a second. You're the ones

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Speaker 3: who are weaponizing the justice system against a political candidate.

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Speaker 3: What could be a more obvious political question than who

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Speaker 3: should be the president of the United States? Meaning what

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Speaker 3: could be the more clear answer? Then let the people decide,

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Speaker 3: Let the people vote. These efforts clear to knock him

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Speaker 3: off the ballot. In some of the states they just failed.

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Speaker 2: And what was it?

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Speaker 3: Minnesota? Was its right Minnesota? That Minnesota said no, sorry,

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Speaker 3: you can't kick Trump off the ballot. But they're trying

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Speaker 3: to abuse the system in every way possible against Trump

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Speaker 3: while they say they're saving the system. Some people obviously

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Speaker 3: they're people that Democrats need to vote for them.

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Speaker 1: I think people can simultaneously believe that January sixth a threat.

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Speaker 1: They can buy the Democrat argument. Who are swing voters

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about, not most of you that are out

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Speaker 1: there listening to us, that it wasn't we know it

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Speaker 1: wasn't an insurrection, or the.

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Speaker 3: Most deadly riots are bad. Breaking federal property is bad,

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Speaker 3: hitting the police is bad.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you should be prosecuted when you, and regardless of

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Speaker 1: your politics, engage in violent behavior.

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Speaker 2: So I think most people who are listening to us

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Speaker 1: But you can simultaneously have bought that argument on some level,

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Speaker 1: but then also believe that what Democrats are doing is

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Speaker 1: as bad, or I think a lot of them believe

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Speaker 1: far worse. And so if Biden's only up three on

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Speaker 1: democracy and if he's only up four these are swing

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Speaker 1: state polls from Bloomberg. And if he's only up four

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Speaker 1: on abortion, I don't think he has anything else to

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Speaker 1: run on.

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 1: The only thing he can run on is abortion and democracy.

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Speaker 2: I think that's it.

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Speaker 1: And if that those allegations aren't resonating against Trump, and

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Speaker 1: I do. I think Trump is protected on the abortion

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Speaker 1: level argument on some level because he's never been a

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Speaker 1: zealous abortion focused politician. Right, He's been a border guy,

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Speaker 1: he's been an economy guy. Obviously he appointed the justices

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Speaker 1: that overturn Roe v. Wade, but his position has been, hey,

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Speaker 1: we put it back to the states.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to.

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Speaker 1: See Donald Trump run aggressively on an abortion related political calculus.

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Speaker 1: And if it doesn't work on democracy, what arguments does

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden have. He doesn't have the border, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have crime, he doesn't have inflation, he doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: point to peace.

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Speaker 2: We got war in the Middle East and war in Europe.

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Speaker 3: How much trouble enough that they're thinking about something else.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about my theory that there is

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Speaker 2: It was quite a night.

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Speaker 3: Reasonably funny, I would say, Jimmy Fallon seems like he's

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Speaker 1: But there actually are starting to be somewhat even jokes now,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, BERGHATSI host at SNL, and you and

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Speaker 3: this speaking of the Robiswami stuff. Do you remember that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when we were sitting watching that, he said it,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying there's obviously there's some.

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Speaker 3: But you talk to anybody the northern border versus the

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Speaker 2: If you line them up the numbers, it's not even

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems particularly inefficient to create finannyl in the

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, that is probably something that's going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fifty five hundred miles of wall is what that

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Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you.

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Speaker 1: For those of you missed it, We do have the

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Speaker 1: cut of the vegue saying, hey, we need a wall

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Speaker 7: Here it is listen, We'll use our own military to

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Speaker 2: Build both walls.

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Speaker 1: A lot of things out there, people want to react to.

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Speaker 1: But I was like, this is kind of fun right,

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Speaker 6: Just your guys's emphasis on the polls there. Rush always

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Speaker 2: I think it's important.

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Speaker 3: Everything can change. But here's why the polls now matter.

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Speaker 1: So who's your who's your candidate? Who's your candidate that

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Speaker 6: Uh uh, Desanta SERVERSK.

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Speaker 2: So you don't think Trump can win?

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Speaker 6: I do. I don't think he'll be able to win.

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Speaker 6: He won't be able to get something new.

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Speaker 1: So that's why there's frustration because he's a solid perspective.

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Speaker 2: But that that's my point.

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Speaker 1: When we share polls that are favorable to Trump right now,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people come out and they say they

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Speaker 1: don't believe them at all. So I I you're everybody's

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Speaker 1: opinion is valid. My mom taught me at a young

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Speaker 2: Opinions are like butts. Everybody's got one, right.

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Speaker 1: So, but what Grant wants to say is anecdotally, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't believe that Trump can win, and he can point

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Speaker 1: to conversations that he has had with different people around

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Speaker 1: the area that would reinforce potentially his opinion. I think

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Speaker 1: it's important to look at poles and consider them as

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Speaker 1: part of your analysis of the current political environment. And

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Speaker 1: if Trump were down eight points in every swing state,

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Speaker 1: that would be a huge topic of discussion. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think the anti Trump contingent would be upset that

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Speaker 1: about us talking about the polls. What I see is

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Speaker 1: when you don't agree with what a poll says, you

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Speaker 1: aren't happy to have the poll discussed. And I talked

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Speaker 1: about this also in the context buck of looking at

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Speaker 1: gambling odds. Everything is probability in life. Every single thing,

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Speaker 3: Right, well, I mean the gambling odds obviously reflect the sentiment,

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Speaker 3: which is also reflected in the poll. So these things

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Speaker 3: are generally going to be mirroring each other. I would

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Speaker 3: just say, I mean, if somebody could disagree with my

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Speaker 3: contention that this shows us that the indict Trump's strategy

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Speaker 3: isn't working because we haven't seen it. There are convictions

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Speaker 3: and although we've brought that up, but I do think

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Speaker 3: that right now there is And you mentioned this, we

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Speaker 3: didn't get to it because of the numbers today, and

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Speaker 3: this is why I think it's so valid to talk

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Speaker 3: about them today. I mean, I would say today, I mean,

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Speaker 3: at this point, you know, generally speaking in politics, there's

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Speaker 3: a real possibility that there's a panic among Democrats that's

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Speaker 3: not just playing out on the editorial pages of the

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Speaker 3: New York Times, but a panic that is leading them

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Speaker 3: to think, what are we going to do?

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Speaker 2: We can't win with this guy.

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Speaker 3: And if that's where they are, then they have to

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Speaker 3: start thinking about other options. That's not a next November

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Speaker 3: conversation or next October conversation. Oh the polls are bad

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Speaker 3: for Biden, right it's now. So I think that that's why,

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Speaker 3: more than even in a normal circumstance, like if this

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Speaker 3: were Obama running for his second term, and we were

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Speaker 3: talking about the polls a lot. Everyone knew Obama was

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Speaker 3: going to There was no conversation, but whether Obama wasn't

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Speaker 3: going to run for a second term. There is a

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Speaker 3: big conversation among Democrats and among the whole country. I

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Speaker 3: think as to whether Joe Biden is even capable of

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Speaker 3: doing it. I still think he will, but it is

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Speaker 3: certainly pushing the conversation that his numbers are so weak.

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Speaker 1: And I also think this is really important on why

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Speaker 1: I would give Poles more validity now a year out

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Speaker 1: than I would if it were Joe Biden running against

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Speaker 1: a non Trump like candidate. Let me explain why everybody

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Speaker 1: knows both guys right. So, if Joe Biden were the

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Speaker 1: incumbent president and Donald Trump were not running in this

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Speaker 1: race at all, I wouldn't give a lot of attention

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Speaker 1: necessarily to what the polls were saying about Vivek or

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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis, because all of those candidates

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Speaker 1: would be relatively undefined on the national scale, and you

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Speaker 1: would only be getting one real value point, which is, hey,

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Speaker 1: what if people think about Joe Biden because he's the

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Speaker 1: current incumbent president.

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Speaker 2: Here, you basically have two incumbents running.

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Speaker 1: And so whatever you think about Trump, and we get it,

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Speaker 1: half of you don't want him to be the nominee.

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Speaker 2: The other half love him.

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Speaker 1: And this is why I early on Buck, I said,

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Speaker 1: this is really just sports, right, because whenever I would

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Speaker 1: do a sports and I would say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I think, Michigan's gonna beat Ohio State this weekend, every

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Speaker 1: Ohio State fan loses their mind. Next year, if I

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Speaker 1: say Ohio State fan is gonna win, Michigan loses their mind.

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Speaker 1: This is basically fandom. Half of you are all in

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Speaker 1: on team Trump, and so anything we say that is

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Speaker 1: positive for Trump, You're gonna be like, yeah, Trump's the choice.

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Speaker 2: Everybody else needs to drop out.

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Speaker 1: And anything we say that that is positive about Ronda Santes, Ertiquo, Hlee,

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Speaker 1: those guys are all like. The Trump people are like,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know why you're talking about them.

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Speaker 2: They have no chance at all.

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Speaker 1: And so the question you have is who's more rational,

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Speaker 1: people who are die hard one side or the other,

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Speaker 1: or me and Buck who were looking at it and

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Speaker 1: trying to analyze it from a rational basis.

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Speaker 2: I would like to think it's us.

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Speaker 3: My favorite is when we post a photo after doing

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Speaker 3: an hour long sit down with Donald Trump where where

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Speaker 3: we both agree he did, you know, phenomenally well and

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Speaker 3: showed a tremendous both resolved to run and win again

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Speaker 3: and the fortitude necessary to go through the gauntlet that

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Speaker 3: he's being put through right now. I mean, you get

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Speaker 3: people that are arguing in the comments on these things, yeah,

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Speaker 3: they are a bunch of desceimpts, and then someone else

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Speaker 3: will come in, No, they're not. They're in the tank

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Speaker 3: for Trump. It's terrible, And I'm like, great, that's what

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Speaker 3: we want. We want people yelling at us that we're

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Speaker 3: in the tag for a whole variety of candiday And

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Speaker 3: I'm used to it because in sports, this is all

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Speaker 3: you get, right If you talk about Alabama, Auburn, anything

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Speaker 3: that you say that is negative about Auburn or Alabama,

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Speaker 3: you're totally bought off and paid for by the other side.

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Speaker 2: So I don't really give it a lot of attention.

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Speaker 1: I think it's entertaining, but the reality is you have

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Speaker 1: to an the data that is real right now, and

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Speaker 1: the data that is real right now, remember this buck.

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Speaker 1: I don't buy some of the people out there are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: they're just trying to build Trump up so he'll be

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Speaker 1: the nob.

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Speaker 2: That's the anti Trump group. Right.

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Speaker 1: Remember when the Washington we talked about this with Trump

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Speaker 1: on when he had him on a couple days ago.

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Speaker 1: The Washington Post had to apologize because the results for

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Speaker 1: Trump were so good in their in their poll that

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Speaker 1: they were they knew their audience was going to be

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Speaker 1: unhappy that they were essential.

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Speaker 3: This is essential when we're talking about some of this data.

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Speaker 3: I could understand people saying, oh, whatever if things were

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Speaker 3: in the margin of error, where if we're looking at

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Speaker 3: five points or ten points. But in some of these

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Speaker 3: polls and they mirror each other, so there are multiple

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Speaker 3: independents right now, you're seeing massive support for let's say

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Speaker 3: Trump visa be the rest of the field, or you're

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Speaker 3: seeing clear lead for Trump visa vi Biden in.

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Speaker 2: The Swing States.

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Speaker 3: And we've even said, Nick Nikki Haley, I think even

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Speaker 3: outperforms Trump in a matchup with Biden in those Swings states.

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Speaker 3: So yes, there's something up here, right. It's someone can

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Speaker 3: say to us, oh a Trump v DeSantis one v one.

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Speaker 3: You know, if Trump is at fifty two and disant

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Speaker 3: this is at forty eight. I'm just making up numbers here,

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Speaker 3: but I can see people saying, guys that, come on,

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Speaker 3: who cares like you don't know what that means? And

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Speaker 3: it's so early, But if one is at eighty and

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Speaker 3: one is at twenty, that's indicative of something.

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Speaker 2: There's something going on.

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Speaker 1: I also think again, there some conspiracies are true. This

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Speaker 1: is important in life. Not every conspiracy is true, so

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Speaker 1: everything is not some grand puppet master, you know, house

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Speaker 1: of cards level analysis.

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Speaker 3: Usually laziness and incompetence are actually the answer over grand conspiracy.

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Speaker 2: Just just putting that out there.

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Speaker 3: As a former CIA guy, I know, of course I've

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Speaker 3: been trained to say this, but it's usually laziness and

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Speaker 3: in competence that the fuddles that that blows the minds

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Speaker 3: of people who find out about it. That's actually more

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Speaker 3: the case than grand conspiracy well executed.

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Speaker 2: And what I would just yes, one hundred percent. And

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Speaker 2: what I would just point.

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Speaker 1: Out is almost always if we're discussing a poll that

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Speaker 1: you disagree with, you don't want that poll to be discussed.

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Speaker 1: So right now, the anti Trump faction is actually a

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Speaker 1: little bit wobbly because they're looking around and they're saying,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, Trump's actually looking really good against Biden,

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Speaker 1: and so they don't believe the poles. But if Trump

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Speaker 1: were down ten in those same poles, they would all

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Speaker 1: be saying, you know, this is just evidence of why

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Speaker 1: Trump can't be the nominee. Right, make your own choices,

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Speaker 1: but don't ignore evidence that challenges your choices. You have

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Speaker 3: next hour. I've got I've got more for you on

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Speaker 3: the Israel Hamas situation, but specifically uh Douglas Murray. We

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Speaker 3: played some of what he had to say for you

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Speaker 3: with Piers Morgan. I think making that essential point that

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Speaker 3: at some point, don't you know that when you're marching

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Speaker 3: with people, some of whom are calling for the.

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Speaker 2: Murder of of of.

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Speaker 3: All Jews, men, women, children, and the destruction of state

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Speaker 3: of Israel, at some point, don't you maybe think you're

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Speaker 3: probably on the wrong side of this issue with these

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Speaker 3: marches or rallies, which I thought was very well stated.

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Speaker 3: He's got more though there was even more in that

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Speaker 3: interview that is going viral. We have reached out. I

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Speaker 3: was in touch with Douglas. He's over in Israel right

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Speaker 3: now and we'll see if we can get him to

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Speaker 3: join on the show next week. I've also reached out

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Speaker 3: to Vivake, and we'll have Viveke on because his feud

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Speaker 3: with Nicki Haley is not stopping, and it is there's

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Speaker 3: something going on here that's more than just the debate

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Speaker 3: stage two people trying to one up each other. I

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Speaker 3: think I think there's a legitimate there's a there's a

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Speaker 3: deeper issue, a deeper beef. If you will, going on here,

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Speaker 3: and we can also will reach out to Nicki Haley's team.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if they're if they're willing to come on here,

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Speaker 3: we will ask her some questions about some of the

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Speaker 3: things that Viveke is.

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Speaker 2: Raising when it comes to War Incorporated, if.

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Speaker 1: You will, yeah, and also why she thinks Viake should

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Speaker 1: because I think it's going both ways. I think sometimes

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Speaker 1: you have people who are grading on each other. If

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Speaker 1: I were summarizing what I think is going on here,

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Speaker 1: I think the Veke feels like Nicki Haley has grifted

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Speaker 1: based on her political ties to make millions of dollars.

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Speaker 2: And I think.

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Speaker 1: That the Veke that strikes him as particularly pernicious because

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Speaker 1: he in the private sector, made himself wealthy by building

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Speaker 1: something new, whether you agree with it or not, as

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Speaker 1: opposed to just trying to make money off of existing

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Speaker 1: businesses based on his connections. Flip side, I think Nicki

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Speaker 1: Haley looks at Vivek and says, this dude's a thirty

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Speaker 1: eight year old knucklehead. He has no experience whatsoever in politics,

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Speaker 1: and he's going to suddenly parachute in and try to

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Speaker 1: win the Republican presidential nomination with virtually no record of

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Speaker 1: political detail in his past at all. And so I

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Speaker 1: think she's insulted by the fact that he feels like

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Speaker 1: he should be able to run for president and even

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Speaker 1: stand on the stage with her, And I think, you

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Speaker 1: look at the way that she's responded, and then I

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Speaker 1: think Vivek is like Nikki Haley hasn't ever accomplished anything,

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Speaker 1: and she's just grifted. She is a part of the

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Speaker 1: Washington swamp. She's everything that I despise. This is why

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Speaker 1: I'm running. And then buck I think also the fact

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Speaker 1: that they both have Indian connections, and Haley does not parriage.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't talk very much about her Indian heritage. Vivek obviously,

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Speaker 1: based on his name, it's impossible for him not to

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Speaker 1: do so. And I do think there's some tension over

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Speaker 1: that because they have that in common and they're almost

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Speaker 1: different generations even though they're running for the same office.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes closeness or similarity can can create friction.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: People always assume that different and create but no, actually,

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Speaker 3: sometimes if something or someone feels very familiar, you can

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Speaker 3: actually end up being a little bit of competition.

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Speaker 2: And I mentioned this too Buck yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I would say it again, if we have Indian listeners

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Speaker 1: right now who pick up on some of that tension

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Speaker 1: in a way that we might not, I would actually

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Speaker 1: be interested to hear whether that might be existing here

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Speaker 1: as well, or conversations that are taking place, because it

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Speaker 1: is a big deal to have two different people of

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Speaker 1: Indian descent running for president.

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Speaker 3: I think we've had a couple of VIPs right in

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Speaker 3: to say to weigh in on that issue. We'll see

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Speaker 3: if we can we can dig those up from yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Also in the next hour, some good news to share

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Speaker 3: with all of you the Senate, especially with the Mansion

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Speaker 3: no go on running again.

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Speaker 2: Senate's looking pretty good for Republicans. How do you know this?

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Speaker 3: Democrats are freaking out about it already. They're worried, which

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Speaker 3: is great, a great sign for America. We'll talk about that.

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Speaker 3: Let me come Back

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Speaker 2: Four