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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast, HET's your team more than

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Speaker 1: any other. From the Chris Westling podcast studio, It's Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Dan Hans is here. I got Ah Hero

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Speaker 1: back from the Islands in the middle of the Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, that was quick enough. Welcome back. How was

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Speaker 1: it was? Like our former president Barack Obama used to say,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna bringing that totally chill mental vibe to

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Speaker 1: my podcasting and personal relations wow for the next year.

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Speaker 1: I like this. I like this, Greg. We had people

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Speaker 1: gregging for you while you were gone, don't worry. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we had a whole pan of Greg Lets holding down

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Speaker 1: That's too demeaning for the quality of guests that you

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Speaker 1: guys have that Greg Let's hey, just be chill, okay,

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Speaker 1: remember oh yeah, let's get thirty seconds. Let's see what

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Speaker 1: happened while you were gone. I feel like you were

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Speaker 1: way because you and I had overlapping vacations. Did you

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Speaker 1: know the Browns traded for Deshaun Watson? I do know that. Um,

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Speaker 1: I hope it works out well for them. I think

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Speaker 1: went to London a couple of times. Oh your wife

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Speaker 1: moved out? That that has been my fear and I

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Speaker 1: very blessed. What a family, What a ride life has

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Speaker 1: been for Greg Rosenthal. Mark Sessler not with us today,

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Speaker 1: he'll be back next week. And today's show, good one,

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Speaker 1: Good one. Um, it's time to get back into some

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Speaker 1: draft talk. So we have one of the very best

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Speaker 1: on the subject, Eric ed Holme. He works for US.

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Speaker 1: He's also our lead draft writer. Did you know that

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Speaker 1: our lead draft analyst? I didn't know that was dot com.

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Speaker 1: I was rein Eric at home back when he was

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Speaker 1: which is nice. So right away bonus points for Ed

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Speaker 1: For those chord cutters, look out all right. Also, you

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Speaker 1: maybe even by the time this podcast is up. Ranking

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Speaker 1: Bower already has a running back. No, I'm kidding, but yeah,

427
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean it just right. I think you're right. I

428
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: think if you are that team that feels like and yet,

429
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: out of one corner of my mouth, I'll also argue

430
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: I don't think the Eagles should draft him unless it's

431
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, lower than the tenth pick or something like that,

432
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: because I think they can They can still do better

433
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: with that pick and in certain ways as far as

434
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: the immediate need, but because they have such a good

435
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: in my opinion, running a run blocking group. You can

436
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: put a Boston Scott in there. You can put a

437
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: Kenneth Gainwell in there and do pretty well for yourself. Uh.

438
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: You know, Miles Sanders is a good player, but he's

439
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: not I don't think he's a true difference maker or

440
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: anything like that. So they let him go and you

441
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: can find another guy of similar quality in my opinion,

442
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: So maybe for a team that doesn't quite have the

443
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: stout offensive lineup front, but is in that situation. I

444
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: know that limits are our list a little, but maybe

445
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: that's the team you start pegging Robinson to. I don't

446
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: think ten is too early. I mean, if he's a

447
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame type of player, and to me just

448
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: watching him, my very amateur eyes feel like he's an

449
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: even better prospect than say Quon coming out like in

450
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 1: terms of his natural movement skills, I think he's just

451
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: like a little bit smoother that he he could be

452
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 1: up there with the greats, and then what are we

453
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: talking about here? Of course that's worth drafting anywhere in

454
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: the top ten. And I'm not saying that you would

455
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: want to take him too overall, but if you felt

456
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: like confident and and you just didn't like the people

457
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: around you, just just for sake of argument, here's some

458
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: number two overall picks in the last decade alone, not

459
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: like not like I think John Robinson should go too,

460
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: but you have him too, So that's just the number

461
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: I was thinking of. Zach Wilson, a quon. That's why,

462
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: that's why it's on my mind. Mitchell Trubisky, Marcus Mariota,

463
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 1: Greg Robinson, Luke jokel. I mean, it's like, what are

464
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: we talking about here? This whole like the process has

465
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: to be a certain way because certain positions have to

466
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: be taken first. The whole reason why running backs stopped

467
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: getting taken first, other than the fact that it was

468
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: like Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams and who else was

469
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: in that draft, in the top five of that draft

470
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: where it just got a little out of control, is

471
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: that positional value, you know, matters, but it doesn't like

472
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,239
Speaker 1: you should have to have exceptions for every rule, and

473
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: you can't be that hard and fast. If he's a

474
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: great player, he deserves to go in the top fifteen,

475
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: and I think he will. I think I think you

476
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: might go as high as ten to the Eagles if

477
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: he's Ladanian Tomlinson right? Right, what are we talking about?

478
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: Why are we passing on him? Right? Just because he's

479
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: a running back. I mean it's tricky with tight ends too,

480
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think running back has gotten got way

481
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: more attention because of this this debate. So I was thinking,

482
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: like what players make a marek Ed Holmes stay up

483
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: at night? You know, like you're you're worried about the evaluation.

484
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: You're worried about where he's gonna go. You're worried if

485
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: you're right or wrong about this player, even despite all

486
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: the work that you've put in, Like which player? What

487
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: are some players are? Give me one to start that

488
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: keeps you up at night? Two? And and this is

489
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm expecting a lot of hate mail from from Tennessee folks,

490
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: But I have my reservations with Jalen Hyatt and to

491
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: a lesser degree, head and Hooker because of the offense

492
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: in which they are used. Right, I mean Josh Hypel.

493
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm not anti Josh Hypel, not anti Vall's been to

494
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: a game there. It's a great place. You know, I

495
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: love love Rocky Top right, but I think there's reasonable

496
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: suspicion about that kind of offense and what those players

497
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: are when they come into the league as far as

498
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: their their mental preparedness and things like that, how it

499
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: translates and everything else, you know. I mean, like I

500
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: guess he gets credit for Sam Bradford at Oklahoma Andrew Jones.

501
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean, other than that, Drew Locke is the other

502
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: top quarterback that he's developed. So you know, you can

503
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: see it's a little bit of a pattern there, and

504
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: the same thing with the receivers as well. I mean,

505
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: I think Gabe Davis would probably be you know, he

506
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: had a couple years with him UCF. But Jamon Moore,

507
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, Trey Nixon, Villis Jones last year. I mean,

508
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's not the most illustrious group of all

509
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: time in terms of you know, early in to mid

510
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: round picks translating to the NFL. Plus with Hooker, you've

511
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: got the injury and the age. I mean, he's got

512
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: an ACL He's twenty five years old, So as much

513
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: as I like him, when I watch him, I think

514
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: to myself, he's got a few strikes against them, and

515
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: high at kind of a one trick pony. So he's

516
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: a speed guy who reminds me way too much a

517
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: Will Fuller to be comfortable with. So with both guys,

518
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: I had to kind of water it down a little

519
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: bit to where I'll take the scrutiny for having them

520
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: lower than where they're probably going to be drafted, because

521
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: I just I think there are enough pitfalls with each

522
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: of them. And you know, on jail and Harder's a

523
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: big one. Quentin Johnston from TCU, I get a little

524
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: nervous about because of the drops. And you know, he

525
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: could be Mike Williams or he could be Kevin White,

526
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: you know. I mean that's that's kind of where I

527
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: fallen on some of these guys. Man will Fuller, I

528
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: forgot about will Fuller. Yeah, he just dropped out the

529
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: radar um. Yeah. On the subject of the wide receivers,

530
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: because another bit of conventional wisdom is like this is

531
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: not the year to find a superstar wide receiver, right,

532
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: and yet like nothing's money in the bank when it

533
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: comes to drafting. But in the NFL in recent years,

534
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: it feels like these wide receiver it's becoming safer and safer.

535
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: Bets that is there somebody that could actually be a superstar,

536
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: And again, buck conventional wisdom and be that dude. I

537
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: know you have jsn In from Ohio State there in

538
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: your top ten, so I guess he would be sensible.

539
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: You think he could be a guy that's like a

540
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl year one talent year one. I don't know,

541
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: But then again, I mean I think I when I

542
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: saw him peak performance prior to last season, when he

543
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: only you know, played like three games or whatever, you know,

544
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: I would have said he's a better player than Garrett Wilson.

545
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean I would have just said, if you if

546
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: I have to choose between the two of them and

547
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: I only get one, I think I'm taking Jackson Smith

548
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: and Jigba a little bit longer, maybe not quite as fast,

549
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: but he's got elite short area quickness, even compared to

550
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: a guy like Garrett Wilson, who's you know, thrives in

551
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: that area as well. So you know, I've heard the

552
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: slot only argument. I mean I don't. I don't see

553
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: it just because he you know, isn't a Blazer. I

554
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: think he can win on the outside. I mean he

555
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: could be, you know, a beautiful Cooper Cup sort of guy.

556
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: You know, that type of performer. Are we complaining about

557
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: Cup speed? Now we're saying he's an elite route runner

558
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: with great change of direction skills, outstanding hands. I think

559
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: that's what he is. If there's a guy that I like,

560
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, not quite as much because of the size concerns,

561
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: but I'm a bigger's a Flowers fan than other people

562
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: might be. I mean, you know, at five eighty two

563
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: with short arms, I get the concerns, right, but it's

564
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: a big name. I'm ready. I'm not scared. I see

565
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: some Antonio Brown in his game. I really really think

566
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: he has some of that in him. And as you

567
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: guys know, Brown didn't test grade, he didn't produce at

568
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: an elite level in college. He just had this skill

569
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: set that wasn't fully you know, developed and put it

570
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: all together in Pittsburgh. Yeah, I think the receiver things

571
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: strange in this draft that there's this idea, well, if

572
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: you're looking for the top type of guys, this is

573
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: not the draft for you. And yet I'm with you.

574
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: Tom Smith and Jigba has incredible upside and ceiling if

575
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: he Cooper Cup is the name that he reminds you of.

576
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: And I look at Addison and I don't I don't

577
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: see why he's in such a different tier of prospect

578
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: than Olave and Garrett Wilson going out. You have him

579
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: a little lower, you have him down it at twenty eight,

580
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: but just in terms of everything but his size, and yes,

581
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: he's like a hunt He's a slight guy, but his

582
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: movement and you can just see those routes working at

583
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 1: the pro level. And then Quentin Johnson, who I have

584
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: less of a feel on, but he he's a huge

585
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: guy in his ceiling at least is high. And I

586
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: like Cedric Tillman from Tennessee too. So receivers have come

587
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: into the league so so good lately. I don't see this.

588
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: The top of this class is like miles different from

589
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: a year ago. But that's why I don't get paid

590
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: to be the draft analysts like big lead draft analysts.

591
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: Eric at Home, Yeah, I mean that the lead park

592
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: kind of kind of separates us a little bit. I

593
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: guess what do you think of Schrager? Do you respect

594
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: Schraeger in his draft right, because because he does other

595
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 1: stuff throughout the year. But then he swoops in and

596
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: he's a draft guy. You have to respect to those guys.

597
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: I've only been here a little while. Guys, I don't

598
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: want to start trashing everybody in the company. Yeah, Jeremiah

599
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: is safe. Yeah, have me on next week and Schreeger um,

600
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: you know on Good Morning Football of course. Uh, the

601
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: peacemaker swoops in. He put out his if you know

602
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: you know list. Okay, you know about that, uh, and

603
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: you know take that as you as you will. But

604
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: his his five if you know no list, Nolan Smith Edge, Georgia,

605
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: uh Pit tackle, uh, Kalia Cancy h Tyreek, Stevenson corner

606
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: at Miami, Christian Guy, Christian Gonzalez corner Oregon, and Emmanuel

607
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: Forbes corner of Mississippi State. Stevenson is a guy at

608
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: that list that really jumps out to you. Well, I

609
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: have him, I don't know. I like him a lot,

610
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: and I think he's being kind of undersold a little bit.

611
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: You know, he's he plays zone offman, press man. I mean,

612
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: you know, he's not perfect, but I think athletically and

613
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: just mental toughness wise, he's gonna gonna fit in really well,

614
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: just a little surprise. It's a deep corner class. I

615
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: mean there's some good names. You mentioned Gonzalez on Peter's

616
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: list there, he's gonna go hi, Devin Witherspoon ran well

617
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: the other day, he's gonna go hi, Joey Porter Junior.

618
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: We have the name value and the athlete, so it's

619
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: a loaded position. In fact, Manuel Forbes also on that

620
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: list too. Fascinating debate because he's a one hundred and

621
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 1: sixty six pound you know, over six foot two. This

622
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: is not just like a slot corner. I mean, this

623
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: is a guy who line up outside six pick sixes

624
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: in his career, fearless out there. I think if you

625
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: like Sauce Gardner's tape, you're gonna like his stay too.

626
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: You know, there's a little freelancing, but boy, he does

627
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: the job for me. The question is you have toothpick

628
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: ankles and that smaller frame. Are you gonna survive in

629
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: the NFL. He's unprecedented. He's on my life. I tried

630
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: to guess who would be on your make at home,

631
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: stay up at night or maybe who would make me

632
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: stay up at night less, and Forbes was at the

633
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: top one hundred and sixty six pounds as like a cornerback.

634
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: If you look at you know, how they have the

635
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: you know percentage in terms of other prospects, and they

636
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: show the three cone rights in the eighty seven percent

637
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: out and you know, arm length, he's in the fiftieth

638
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Speaker 1: percent down this and that for wait, he's in the

639
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Speaker 1: one percent own, and that's only because they can't put

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Speaker 1: zero mathematically. There's literally never been a cornerback that tall

641
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: and that light. And yet when you watch him, if

642
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Speaker 1: you if you ignored that, and you shouldn't because he

643
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: probably will get overpowered in certain but you're gonna have

644
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: to have some guys to cover these other lightweight wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: So it kind of makes sense to me that the

646
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: whole game is getting lighter and he would keep me

647
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Speaker 1: up at night. But he seems like he's like an

648
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: incredibly high ceiling guy. It's just everyone's going to be

649
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: afraid that he's one hundred and sixty six pounds. That

650
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: you boiled it down perfectly there. I mean, that's exactly

651
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: kind of how you the production is off the charts good.

652
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: It really is that that exciting. You know, he's a

653
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: little on the older side, he'll be twenty three, I

654
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: want to say, by the end of the season. So

655
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a little bit of you know,

656
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: limitation as far as how much more you know, upside

657
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: and growth and development he has. But still, I mean,

658
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: I I see a guy who's got rare instincts. I

659
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: think he's a first round pick. Now I think, you know,

660
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Speaker 1: I was sort of putt him in that early second

661
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: round range, but I think he's going to go in

662
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: the first I think Tyreek Stevenson should be a second

663
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: round pick, but we'll see. I don't know exactly where

664
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Speaker 1: he's gonna go. But Forbes is the one who I

665
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: think is causing people to kind of have some serious debates.

666
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: We had Cordell flot last year ago in the third round.

667
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: He's abuse like six foot one seventy five. So statistically,

668
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: I want to say, height and weight wise, that's the

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00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: closest comp we've had in recent years. Otherwise you got

670
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: to go back a long ways to find somebody with,

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Speaker 1: you know, these Spinley dimensions like he has. All right,

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Speaker 1: last thing I have for Yericum connor Or was on

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Speaker 1: our program earlier this week and he had done some digging.

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Speaker 1: Now he said, it's an exclusive that is dropping on

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Speaker 1: SI dot com later this week. It's up, It's there,

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00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: it's up. Okay, go check it out everyone. All Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask me. We're just gonna say, as the

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Speaker 1: lead writer, if he knows like he uh, Connor, using

679
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: ancestry dot com, had identified a draft prospect that actually

680
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: had Norse god blood, which feels like a nice um

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00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: attribute that you would put in as a bullet in

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Speaker 1: the draft profile. Do you know who that might be?

683
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: Trying to think of? There any like Scandinavians Cody Mock No,

684
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that's too on the nose. I think, yeah, yeah,

685
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: that would be like the obvious answer that makes it.

686
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Speaker 1: Ah jeez. Tyler van Ness, he has got that kind

687
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: of square jaw and like the you know, the the

688
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: ice man from Top Gun haircut. Tyler S final answer,

689
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: all right, it's all I got. All Right, what do

690
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: you got? Justin? Should I spoil it? I feel like

691
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: our listeners should do Connor a favoring. They're gonna go

692
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: read it, they will trust me. It's Tyler Vaness, Lucas Vaness, Sorry,

693
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Speaker 1: I'm Lucas Vanes. Yeah, yeah, that's all I got it

694
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: is Holton Hollurs oh, a literal of Viking legend Ragnar Lothbrock.

695
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: And that's not Minnesota Vikings legend Ragnar, real Vikings, that's

696
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: the that's the Ragnar. It's the Vikings that have titles.

697
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: It's the original Ragner. I mean those those Vikings had rings.

698
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: This is you, you know where it's a tough world

699
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: back then. You know, you don't want to judge by

700
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: today's standards, but you know, not someone you want to

701
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: bring home to your to your just keep him away

702
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: from the yeah, the women and children in general. Anyway,

703
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: we talk about NFL bloodlines, I mean I'd rather have

704
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: the you know, the Norse god bloodlines. Myself, I don't know.

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00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Joey Porter probably true. Yes, anything else,

706
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you just a very quick rapid fire.

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Speaker 1: Give me like a yeah on the other players that

708
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Speaker 1: I think would that would keep me up at night? Okay, okay,

709
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: rapid fire here Brian Branch is he closer to Derwin

710
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: James or is he closer to like the do it

711
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: all thing that NFL teams fall in love with and

712
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: then doesn't work out when you draft him really high

713
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: closer to the ladder. The athletic testing, you know, put

714
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: a limit on his appeal. But he's so smart, so

715
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: I think it's more to the ladder, the do it

716
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: all guy who's you know, jack of all trades and

717
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: you're glad you have him, but he's not. I don't

718
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: think he's special athletically. Will Where are you on the

719
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: Will Levis discourse? I feel like now he's been pushed

720
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: down so far and you know, incredible body by the

721
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: media that now it's actually the backlash of the backlashes

722
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: here and everyone's now like, actually Will Levis to settle

723
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: it at home. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm on the I'm

724
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: pro Levis to a degree. Right, He's got his warts

725
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: and last year didn't do him any favors in a

726
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: lot of ways. But man, you look what he did

727
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: with Liam Cohen twenty twenty one, who they brought back

728
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Speaker 1: a zoc. I mean, that's a that's a strange but

729
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 1: but I think good move for Kentucky. They just didn't

730
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: have any talent last year. He had two injuries he

731
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 1: played through. You watch the twenty twenty one tape, there's

732
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: a lot of appealing stuff. I also hear from a

733
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: lot of Penn State fans who are like, no way

734
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: that dude should be in the draft, you know, or

735
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: in the in the first one hundred and fifty picks.

736
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: I think there's a too much of that bias going

737
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: on out there too. But I like the guy to

738
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: a degree for sure. Okay, I do have one more

739
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: than the Panthers regret it forever if they passed on CJ.

740
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: Strout regret it forever. No, because Bryce Young could be special.

741
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: I just man, he just has so how many the

742
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: margin for air is small with that arm, that size

743
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: and everything else. I just feel like he's he's gonna

744
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: be great. But we play seventeen games every year. That's

745
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: my biggest worry. We'll we'll get into all these questions.

746
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: We still got We still got about a week and

747
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: a half of draft build up to go. But I

748
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: as we get closer, I can't I can't quite buy

749
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: that Jalen Carter, who everyone sort of recognizes the best

750
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: player in the draft, is gonna go anywhere but very

751
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: close to the top. That's all we'll see. Mike require

752
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: ownership approval. But I but I hear you don't they

753
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: all don't They all at that point, I guess quarterbacks

754
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: in like situation. Uh, Eric, You've said it all. Thank

755
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: you very much. Continue to track everything Eric does on

756
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: NFL dot com. And Buddy, Uh, we enjoyed having you.

757
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: Thank you. And put Dale Murphy in the hall. And

758
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: how about this, Don Mattingley and Dale Murphy going in

759
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: the same class and you and I go to Cooper's

760
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: down together. Absolutely you kidd may I'm down man. You

761
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: let me know. All right, it's like, sorry, honey, I'm

762
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: going with Dan hands this to uh Cooper. I'll just

763
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: going with a fellow, like middle aged guy on a

764
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: private trip to upstate New York. Don't worry that I

765
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: don't know I'll be able to make it. Sorry, man,

766
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: damn it. You see Greg, you wrote everything all right?

767
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Eric, Kevin, go take it easy. Um uh

768
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: did good stuff like at home? I like at home.

769
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: I also two things two takeaways, Um the Texans, who

770
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: we made so much of it, and rightfully so, winning

771
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: that stupid game at the end of the season that

772
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: allowed the Bears to take number one pick. In some ways,

773
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: like if they are indeed going to take a quarterback,

774
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: which I think they will, they're kind of like chill.

775
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: They're like, we don't have to freak out about this.

776
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: If they're like caught in between on the quarterbacks, we'll

777
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: take the other guy. And it's like, no stress on us. Well,

778
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: we'll never know, we'll never know. I'm saying it's that's

779
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: potentially be the opposite of like, right, we want to

780
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: trade out, or we're not even gonna take a quarterback

781
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: because we like Bryce Young so much more than Stroud.

782
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: There there has been that that thought bubbling up, although

783
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: it's hard to say it's just other personnel that like

784
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: the Texans might take someone else number two, like Will

785
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: Anderson or Jalen Carter and then trade back up to

786
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: take like a Will Levis or Richardson or something who knows.

787
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: And my other thought out of that conversation, Uh, were

788
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: you attempting to retroactively cancel vikings there like the old ones? No?

789
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: I was saying, you know, you can't judge them by

790
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: today's standards and whatnot, right, um, But also like you

791
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: you probably you know, wouldn't want to have cross passed

792
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: with Ragnar loth Brock, that's all. No, probably not. You

793
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't want your daughter meeting Ragnar. No, no, no, no,

794
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: certainly not. All right, let's take a break and do

795
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: some GM talk. Keep him away from my girl. All right,

796
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: we are back. Lets get into Greg. You have a

797
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: article going up on NFL dot com ranking the gms.

798
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: I like this because you know the gms. Everybody, Oh,

799
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: let's rank coaches, let's rank teams, rank gms. It just

800
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: feels more personal. It feels like I feel like the gms.

801
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: Especially when it's going up on NFL dot com. I

802
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: feel like the gms are checking this one out. Yeah.

803
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: I've gotten some response over the years, and it's and

804
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: everyone is trying to keep relationships with front offices and whatnotum,

805
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: But luckily that's not a concern for me. I'm a

806
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: jerk and don't really have relationships to them. So there

807
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: you go. You can call it as you see it,

808
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: because they have. Why does it feel more relationship? I

809
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: think it's because they seem more like you could almost

810
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: imagine being one of them. Whereas you know they they

811
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: should have the tables turned on them. All they're doing

812
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: is making up big boards of players and ranking them

813
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: and talking about their butts and stuff. Let's turn the

814
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: table out them. Did you ever think like we never know,

815
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: you're still a relatively young man, Like, who knows what

816
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: if you did want to at some point your career

817
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: transitioned into getting a front office opportunity. I'm good, just

818
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you were ready to walk and become

819
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: Lamar Agents, Lamar Jackson's personal assistant. You you proposed that

820
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: the drop of a dime. You're like, yes, I'll take

821
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: the job. I mean that seemed more rewarding th the hours.

822
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: You know, I've got a young family, we're really in

823
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: our prime. I was thinking of that, you know, in Hawaii,

824
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: like we got to appreciate these times. These kids, they're

825
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: not too young, they're not too old. We're a nice unit.

826
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: You got to appreciate that. Yeah, can I do that

827
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: while um being a Jason Light's assistant for twenty three

828
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: hours a day? I don't think so. All right, So

829
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: you're you're just saying the Lamar Jackson gig would be

830
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: very kind of low stakes and low effort necessary for

831
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: a nice paycheck. Potentially, I don't know. Yeah, that could

832
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: that could do it. He could be a tyrant. You know,

833
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm happy we have we have a podcast. We've built

834
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: this into something We're not gonna build an NFL team

835
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: as successful as this body. All right, I like I

836
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: like that. I like that. Let's get to it. UM.

837
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: I overall think you did strong to quite strong work

838
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: on this UM I have. Unfortunately, I don't have too

839
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: many uh quibbles, which is a testament to the effort.

840
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: So let's go through it. Which did I mention? I

841
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: thought was strong? Okay, too quite strong. I don't deal

842
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: well with praise. I feel better when you here is

843
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: the top ten. I'm not perfectly on board, but here

844
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: we go. Howie Roseman won Bret Bret Beach to Duke

845
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: Tobin of the Bengals through let me just in case

846
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: there's some people that aren't as die hard in terms

847
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: of knowing the personnel the front office. Bret Veach, chiefs

848
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: general manager. Who what a ride? What a rocket ride?

849
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: Greggy from being my by Greg Rosenthal himself a few

850
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: years back to number two on the GM rankings. The

851
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Chiefs winning of Super Bowls many years back. Yes, two

852
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: super Bowls and four years will do that. Duke Tobin

853
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: of the Mangals three, Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott. Interesting

854
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: you give him the co power title? How do you

855
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: decide who gets that co slash? Well, the Bills got

856
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: it at four. Lynch and Shanahan same deal. Five, but

857
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: you have yeah, you have the GM first there good

858
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: U six, less sneed Sean McVay slash again. Interesting, Brad

859
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: Holmes h Dan Campbell, No slash, just Brad Holmes. Seven

860
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. Goody, now, goody. I would think there would

861
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: be a slash. Mark Murphy there, but no, he's not

862
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: making the big person out. Okay, okay. Eight. John Schneider Seahawks.

863
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: He probably should have a slash. They had a slash

864
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: in previous years. Pete Carroll Yeah, yeah, good slash and

865
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: Jarrah at ten again. I I liked the placement. Which

866
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: one was the most difficult for you to place of

867
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: this group, well, the Rams, because of how do you

868
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: evaluate what's happened to them. I didn't want to punish

869
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: them too much before seeing how this season's goes. I

870
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to pre punish, but you look at what's

871
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: happened over the last year. I think the biggest problem

872
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: was those contracts they gave out, which didn't give them

873
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: a lot of flexibility immediately to Donald, Stafford and Cup

874
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 1: and how many guarantees were in that. I also wanted

875
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: to recognize it was a five year run of the

876
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: most wins in the league other than Kansas City for

877
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: the Rams. So it wasn't just this tiny little windows

878
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: six year run before last year, and so I didn't

879
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: want to kill them too hard, but it was tough.

880
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: There was a big drop off after the top five.

881
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: I also was, you know, wondering, is that is that

882
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: too high for for Duke Tobin the Bengals. But I

883
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: give them a little extra credit for as our friend

884
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: Solomon Wilcots, not really a friend, but someone I respect,

885
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: he said about Marvin Lewis raising the Titanic, And since

886
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: I appreciate the hyperlank here, I appreciate I give Duke

887
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: Tobin a little bit of extra credit for doing it

888
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, maybe without as many resources. And if you

889
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: look at his hit rate on the free agents that

890
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: they brought in, like DJ Reader and A Woozy and

891
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson and then the draft, and I liked the

892
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown move. And they have a number that they

893
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: go to and they stick with it. I think they've

894
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: done a great job. Yeah this is where and trust me,

895
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: as somebody does the power rankings. This is not a

896
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: shot out against the exercise. Sometimes it's all a little

897
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: bit silly because it's like Duke Tobin, Yeah, he's done

898
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: a good job, but the fact they got Joe Burrow,

899
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,959
Speaker 1: who was a no brainer number one overall pick at QB,

900
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: who changed the organization, so you don't really and they

901
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: got the number one pick because they were dreadful the

902
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: year before. It's Burrow who reset the organization more than

903
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin. But at the same time he did have

904
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: to turn in the draft card. Well, he also made

905
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: lots of those around him. He gets a little extra

906
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: pop for doing it two different times. He had a

907
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: very talented team under Andy Dalton. I said at the top,

908
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm ranking this mostly on what position they're in now,

909
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: but you get some credit of what you've done overtime

910
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: and just all the moves are smart sensive sense, like

911
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: like Brent Veach, like he gets credit for drafting Mahomes,

912
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: but he also gets credit for not being afraid to

913
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: move on from big names like Orlando Brown, Matthew and

914
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: Frank Clark. And the offensive line overhaul kind of it's

915
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: gotten overlooked. Remember their offensive line stinks. Their offensive line stinks.

916
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: He does that overall in twenty one, especially on the interior,

917
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: it leads to a title the very next year. The

918
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: other one I wasn't sure what to do with was

919
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: John Schneider, who was like at an all time low

920
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: a year ago right now, and maybe he should even

921
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: be higher. I don't know if a GM's ever had

922
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: a better month and a half than John Schneider. Trading

923
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson for all those draft picks at the exact

924
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: perfect time into one of the best draft classes of

925
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: the last five or six years. Two starting tackles Trek

926
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: will and the runner up for Rookie of the Year

927
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: Ken Walker, who could have been in the mix for

928
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year. And then two other pretty good players,

929
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: boy A Maffe and Kobe Bryant. That's six players in

930
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: one draft. That reminds me of that Saints draft back

931
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen or eighteen, which they lived off for years.

932
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the Jets in Joe Douglass and we can

933
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: get to them, they drafted two rookies of the year,

934
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: but I didn't even take the Seahawks draft maybe over them.

935
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,959
Speaker 1: They're they're close, They're well, I mean, yeah, they nailed

936
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: the draft, and like you said, the Wilson trade was

937
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: the move of the decade potentially. Just real quick before

938
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: we go, I will actually take a quibble. I think

939
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: Beach should be number one. Yeah, because and you didn't

940
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: make note of it, and you're right up that they

941
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: they won the Super Bowl last year and Mahomes Yeah,

942
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: oh yeah, they have Mahomes. So how much credit? Well, yeah,

943
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't the no brainer number one pick. They went

944
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: and they targeted Mahomes and got him win another Each

945
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: was the key guy in that by each, So Beach

946
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: will get forever credit for that. Like the idea Tyreek

947
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: Hill is maybe the greatest playmaker at wide receiver of

948
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: the last you know, ten twenty years, Like he is

949
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: that level to trade him and kind of retool the

950
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: roster and then also win the Super Bowl, I think,

951
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: and you know, beating Hollie Roseman's Eagles to do it.

952
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: I believe he should be number one for that reason.

953
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 1: But I think Roseman deserves a top two spot for sure.

954
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: No one brings in veterans like Roseman. I mean Hassan, Reddick, Bradberry, Gardner, Johnson.

955
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: None of those guys were on the team a year ago,

956
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: even Darius Slay a couple of years ago that trade.

957
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: They do a nice job in the draft planning ahead.

958
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 1: They have all these starters that are set up, Jordan

959
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: Davis and Jurgens and the Kobe Dean that are going

960
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: to fill in spots this year. There they're always good

961
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: playing now and later. But yeah, there's a big gap

962
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: between those two. You asked you I struggled the most.

963
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: It was actually Brad Holmes. I wasn't sure how to

964
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: hide put the Lions because he's done everything absolutely perfect.

965
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 1: It's it's hard to make the Lions into such a fun, relevant,

966
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: talented team in two years. So he's like Relding one

967
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: to one. That said, if you go back and look

968
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: at like Executives of the Year previously, like Sporting News

969
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: hounds a award. Here's some winners over the last decade,

970
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: Ryan Pace, go, Dave Gettlman with the Panthers, you go.

971
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: Reggie McKenzie won the award once the Raiders, Ryan Grigson.

972
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: So like the Mike mcagnet one. My point there is

973
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: kind of like the easy part is getting from the

974
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: two wins to the like eight wins and now you're

975
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: frisky and then everyone gives you a lot of pop.

976
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: Do you see? Do you see? So that's sort of

977
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: where Brad Helms is that now, but uh yeah, because

978
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: you need to kind of build off that initial making

979
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: moves that are kind of makes sense. Goody's two high, Yes,

980
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: two high. I think Goody and on some level, Um

981
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: squandered the end of the Aaron Rodgers era. He's number eight, right, Yeah,

982
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: you have him at eight here, Um because I do

983
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: think that he kind of he didn't give Rogers the

984
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: roster um in terms of play makers that he needed

985
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: last year, and I just can't I can't look past that.

986
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: I think he'd really ding him now. Watson was a hit,

987
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: but you know he was a rookie who developed late

988
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: in the year. You know, the move to move on

989
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: from Adams to not be able to land Darren Waller.

990
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: Although I don't know where Waller is at head wise,

991
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: whether he would have made a difference with the Packers.

992
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: I just think him for last year's disappointment to the

993
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: point where maybe would take him out of the top ten,

994
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: but not like a major free falls so I don't

995
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: have a major. Always rated him higher and get pushed

996
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: back on that, especially from Packers fans who don't like

997
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: him as much as I seem too. His drafts have

998
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: been good. They haven't spent any in free agency this year,

999
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: but previously they're targeted free agents have been really good.

1000
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: I guess I I think it's the GM's job to

1001
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: just keep him in the mix, get him close every year.

1002
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: He did a good job at the Lafleur higher Like, yeah,

1003
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: I hear you, though, Jared ten I'm cool with Belichick.

1004
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: I see, I know it was difficult for you, and

1005
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: you feel like this is an This is enough of

1006
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: a punishment to drop him out of the top ten.

1007
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: I think you've had him at number one in the

1008
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: past and always high up in the rankings. But they're

1009
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: just such, they're amid, they're they're there mid. What why

1010
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: is he not lower than eleven at this point? Did

1011
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: you watch the game on Monday like he did? You

1012
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: watch the games the last three years? Now? What what

1013
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: keeps him uh knocking on the door of the top ten?

1014
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: Other than name value? Uh? You know their drafts haven't

1015
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: been bad the last two years. They've gotten three good starters.

1016
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: I would say out of both if you count Mac

1017
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: Jones as a good starter. We'll see something pretty good.

1018
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: Pick uh. They're spending. It's hard to know how to

1019
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: separate Belichick the coach from the front office, but they,

1020
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: like you know, their defense, they make a lot of

1021
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: production out of questionable players. So do you give that

1022
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: credit to Belichick the coach or do you give that

1023
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: credit to Belichick the guy who's bringing in these low

1024
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: cost players. They're very middle of the pack. Eleven feels

1025
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: middle of the pack, But I guess you could you

1026
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: could knock them below like to LESCo and Da Costa.

1027
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: This group is is all close to me. But it's

1028
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: not like they've been bad. They're just mediocre. Yeah, yeah,

1029
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like, yeah, they've made the playoff

1030
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: once in the three post Brady years. The year they

1031
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: did make it, they got just that defense got absolutely

1032
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: bombed out by the Bills late in the season and

1033
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: then in the playoffs, and then you know, last year

1034
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: was kind of, let's face it, a disaster. But you know,

1035
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: do you the g that the head or the coaching

1036
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: staff decisions that he made. That's more bell Check the

1037
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: coach than the GM. So you got to kind of

1038
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: separate that. So now I was telling it, but I

1039
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: would maybe put him around thirteen or so, Okay, no

1040
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: big deal. You got Mickey Loomis. Let's see, is this fourteen,

1041
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: he's fourteen, he's fourteen. Let me just go through the

1042
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: next the rest of the ones that are eligible here,

1043
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: because you some guys aren't eligible until they have a

1044
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: couple of years under their belt. You got to LESCo

1045
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: at twelve of the Chargers, DA Costa, the Ravens at thirteen.

1046
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: That's kind of a tough one to judge right now.

1047
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 1: Loomis of the Saints at fourteen, Chris Greer the Dolphins

1048
00:55:55,239 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: at fifteen, Joe d of the Jets at sixteen. He

1049
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: was one of the toughest, tough They're thirteen and thirty

1050
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: seven in his first three seasons. It's not good. It's

1051
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: pretty good at all, just to look at that. But

1052
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: on paper they seem amazing. Other than his quarterback decision,

1053
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: which was a fiasco, right, maybe other teams would have

1054
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: made it. Supposedly the Eagles were trying to trade up

1055
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: for Zach Wilson's like, sometimes you just get lucky or unlucky.

1056
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: But this I couldn't give coming season will define I

1057
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: couldn't give him too much credit I thought that was

1058
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I think sixteen is totally fair.

1059
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: As I've said multiple times on this show, he has

1060
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: a been a two thirty five hitter with forty four

1061
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: home runs, like and if you could deal with the

1062
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: batting average being low but the hits being meaningful and important,

1063
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: then it works. But like I said, if if the

1064
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: Rogers deal doesn't turn into what Jets fans hope it

1065
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: will turn into, he's going to be gone, Like I

1066
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: think Douglas will be gone, and I think Salo will

1067
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: be gone. There's so much riding on this year because

1068
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: thirteen to thirty seven, he inherited rec yes and and

1069
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: really has built up this roster, as we've talked about

1070
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: pretty good. I was tempted to put him higher than that,

1071
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: but then you're getting with guys he's gone it before.

1072
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: Now if they go, if they go eleven and six

1073
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: or have a win a playoff game, I think he

1074
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: would deserve to be a top ten guy because he did.

1075
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: He showed that he built it into something tangible, and

1076
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: they're a playoff team again, but they're not there yet.

1077
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: They have to do it. So I think that's fair.

1078
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: You have Jason light of the Bucks at seventeen, Chris

1079
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: Ballard the Colts at eighteen interesting, Andrew Barry of the

1080
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: Browns at nineteen. This one I would I would have

1081
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: a little pushback on as well. Now I know that

1082
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson trade you're not a fan of. Nobody was

1083
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: really a fan of it, and the subsequent contract that

1084
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: Barry was involved with handing to Watson had turned the

1085
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: league upside down and mess things up for a lot

1086
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: of people. But Barry, I think, I think the I

1087
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: think the Browns have um although they had a down

1088
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: year last year. I think he continues to make overall

1089
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: strong moves and if the quarterback move hits, I think

1090
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: or a power player in the AFC. So I think

1091
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 1: maybe Barry, based on his track record of the last

1092
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: three or four years, should be higher. Look, he's been

1093
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: in the job officially for three years. The third year

1094
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: is when you're supposed to really make a move. In

1095
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: years two and three of his ten yere they were

1096
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: eight and nine and seven and ten. The one year

1097
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: that they had a lot of success when he was

1098
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: the GM was mostly with the players that were already there,

1099
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: so they've their record as mediocre. The Watson trade. If

1100
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: you take out all the off field stuff, has was

1101
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: a fiasco. Last year he was a disaster. I mean

1102
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: that that was You can keep saying like, Okay, we

1103
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: gotta wait till next year. It's like, okay, but you

1104
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: gave all that up. It's a fiasco because of the

1105
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: off the field stuff. But it was a fiasco because

1106
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: of the on the field stuff that he was so bad.

1107
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: He was one of the worst quarterbacks in the league.

1108
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: Struggled in like five starts, right, six starts, that's a

1109
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: third of the season. He was one of the worst

1110
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league. And you gave up all that

1111
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: for him, and you went seven and ten. In your defense,

1112
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: I just think when you're connecting the other stuff when

1113
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: you say that, but he's year three in your defense,

1114
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: which he's responsible for, was terrible. Uh. You know, like

1115
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 1: year three is kind of the move year, and they

1116
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: were in a worse position in year three than they

1117
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: were in their first year. So that doesn't it doesn't

1118
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: reflect great. Yeah, but I agree when you look at

1119
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: the move to move to move, it looks a little

1120
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: bit better. I was deplorable the way it all played out,

1121
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: but that his year three is different than other year

1122
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: three is because the centerpiece of the organization, whether you

1123
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: like it or not, that they traded for was suspended

1124
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: for most of the season. So it made his year

1125
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: three kind of like almost hitting pause on it and

1126
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: be like my real year three quote unquote is when

1127
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: Watson is my week one starter, and I think, like

1128
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: with the guy a little bit above him, Joe Douglass,

1129
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: like yeah, Deshaun Watson has to play well and they

1130
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: need to be a team this year or that ownership,

1131
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: like in New year work is a little temperamental. That

1132
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: might everybody might be out of that building as well

1133
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: if Watson falls on his face this year. A lot

1134
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: of pressure, I agree, a lot of pressure. Terry Fatno

1135
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: from Atlanta at twenty kind of like what he's done.

1136
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: He didn't really have a choice to do much the

1137
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: first two years quarterback I don't love, but these are

1138
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: the guys just like it's kind of like, man, it's

1139
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: hard to have a hard take. Ronderver and Martin Mayhew

1140
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: of Washington at twenty one. Scott Fitterer Carolina rounds out

1141
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: the list. And these guys not Cassio and George Peyton

1142
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: are second to last and last. Oh Okay, I missed that.

1143
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: Nickossario twenty three, George Paytonto, I mean, just get buried

1144
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: for Russell Wilson. And now, like, when you do this

1145
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: list next year, it's gonna be George Peyton slash Sean.

1146
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: It might just be Sean Payton. I don't even know,

1147
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, you gotta give George the credit. I don't

1148
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: know if George will be there next year. We'll see

1149
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: too early to rank t Trent Balki, Ran Carthon, Omar

1150
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: con Quessi, Adolpho Mensa, Monte Assa for it. Can I

1151
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: you didn't get to hear this? Uh? I love Jonathan

1152
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: Gannon's uh on Aussie like wondering what they're gonna do

1153
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: with the third pick. I just want to hear this again.

1154
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm into this Jonathan Gannon era. Every day I ask Monnie.

1155
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, Monie, what you're doing with that pick? What

1156
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: you're doing with that pick? He's like, you know what

1157
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing with that pick? I don't know what you're

1158
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: doing with that pick? Where is that from? Said an

1159
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: NFL network? One's good? Yeah. At the owners meetings, that's funny.

1160
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: Ryan Poles, Joe Shane and David Zigler. Yeah, that's about

1161
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: the ranking more. You know, check out the analysis way

1162
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,479
Speaker 1: too much, four thousand words too many, NFL dot com

1163
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: slash Rosenthal. Good work, Greggy, Uh okay, anything else. We've

1164
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: done it. I think we've done it. We're back to

1165
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: three shows a week next week, yes, and then the

1166
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: week after that is the Draft, which will the coverage

1167
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: will be. We're gonna tell again we're gonna do something

1168
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: little different with the draft this year. Um, we're gonna

1169
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: share details of that next week. We can't. We can't

1170
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: have the conversation without Mark. I don't even know the details.

1171
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to. This is unbelievable. Greg's been out.

1172
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: He doesn't even know where it was, Greg. He was

1173
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: in Hawaii. It's the new Greg. This Greg was very

1174
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,919
Speaker 1: similar to the old Greg. I gotta say not. That's

1175
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: not a takedown. That's just like felt verries after. Other

1176
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: than the first thirty four seconds when you were saying

1177
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a new Greg, this felt like

1178
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: the same Greg. Well maybe on air, you know you,

1179
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to change who I am, um, but

1180
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: hopefully in my Oh okay, so I treat people's right.

1181
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: Did you find like an ancient medallion or something in Hawaii.

1182
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: I feel like there's something about that trip that changed you. Yeah.

1183
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: I think it was cranking through Love Is Blind season

1184
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: four and just seeing what matters in life. You know,

1185
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: I hear you on that. All right, that's it, that

1186
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: is it will be in Taosh. Well the in Toush

1187
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: got it. That's my big takeaway from today's episode. Until

1188
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,959
Speaker 1: next week. Read the Call