1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: You're listening and waiting on reparations production of iHeart Radio. 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: This means a point point go support man other way 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: from Kenosha, Wisconsin over there to Portland. It's Athens, Shorgeia. 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: We were importing in. We got to be out here 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: marching the importing man doing it. I'm important these ideas 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: to all the people who have such fear from the 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: cops when they come near with the gun. Strong. But 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: it's okay because I'm gonna tell them, get up off 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: of my lawn, get a buffer by law, and I'm 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: taking your back. You don't listen to them, and they're 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: shooting you in the back of like funk that, and 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: you know I'm about to attack. I'm about to go 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: and just dunk on them like our name was Shock 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: and this is not basketball and make a fall when 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: they got to grab the fucking phone and call them 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: black carrot. You about to raise a red Harry. And 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: now I'm about to go and just show you that 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm piercing because I'm the dope knife and this is 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: Lingua rank everybody coming, thank God when I come up 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: in the place. So yeah, I'm about to hit you 21 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: in the face, make you feel like you're a lazer. 22 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm more lazy on the feat when I slightly haven't 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: done it lately. It's all right because I'm skate team 24 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: so smoothly. She's skate teas all these motherfucker's seat he 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: hate team. Now I gotta show you how we're about 26 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: to do the late thing. Get up on the microphone 27 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: recording late at night. Everybody know we be the illest 28 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: with the mic device and we hold it down. We're 29 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: coming around with that bomb fast. Motherfucker's get on the mic. 30 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: Listen to our podcast. You better call us god fast 31 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: because I got robs in it. Out last something that salvageable, 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: like the first part I did, hold the whole first two. 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: Whole first two was fine. Okay, we are waiting onations. Hurry, 34 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: So how's everybody doing out there? Can hear? You'll give 35 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: you three seconds. It feels like the nap thing to ask, like, 36 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, now that we're getting the groove of it, 37 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, I got my sunglasses on at night, I 38 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: feel like I should like break the freestyle with, Hey, 39 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: how's everybody doing out there? I said, how's everybody doing 40 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: out there? You know? Oh man, don't get me reminded 41 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: about being on stage. I know, I know, I know, 42 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: I know. So how was your week? It's good. I 43 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: actually just got back from a rally in solidarity with 44 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: Jacob Blake, who we're going to talk about a little 45 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: bit today at City Hall. About a hundred people showed out, 46 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: and we kind of put it together pretty last minute, 47 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: I mean, because this is like breaking news. Um. There 48 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: were like four counter protesters. There were wearing maga hats, um, 49 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: no maga hats that didn't have Jesus related signs, and 50 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: one of them kept yelling like y'all, Like what was 51 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: he saying? It was like black babies don't matter, that's 52 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: why y'all support abortion. And they called me out by 53 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: name on some ship, but we were like just chanting, 54 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: like chanting too loud for anyone to actually hear them. 55 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,839 Speaker 1: That allortion one actually might be fresh in their head 56 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: because the Republican National Convention things going on right now, 57 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: and they had this anti abortion lady who was talking 58 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: about how plant parenthood was racist, eugenics campaign to destroy 59 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: the black community and stuff. Yeah, because you know, the 60 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: maggots are the most concerned with what's going on in 61 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: the black community. But that's I've been, you know, doing 62 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: my political junkie thing and watching the these conventions and 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: the coverage and analysis and stuff like that. Just say, 64 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: it's very difficult to do. But I've been doing it 65 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: since I was like sixteen, so I might as well 66 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: just keep tradition going. But it's sucking, yo. I mean 67 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: we were talking about a little bit earlier. But people 68 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: who were you know, I guess of the left persuasion, 69 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: it would serve them well to not completely be in 70 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: the dark about what's going on on the other side 71 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: because they're fucking nuts. I mean, that ship is like 72 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: fucking trap music for white people. Yo. They are just 73 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: soaking it up and reveling in some pretty ugly stuff 74 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: over there. But um, speaking of ugly stuff, the shooting 75 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: at Jacob Blake. Yeah, let's go ahead and get into 76 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: some of that. So on Sunday, uh, as many of 77 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: us know by now, twenty nine year old father Jacob 78 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: Blake's breaking up a fight in this neighborhood and Conoshal, Wisconsin. 79 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: When the cops arrived on scene, and subsequently social media 80 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: video circulated of Blake walking away from the cops, who 81 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: had their guns drawn while attempting to get into his vehicle, 82 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: and the cop pulled on the back of his shirt 83 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: and fired his gun seven times, point blank into Blake's back. 84 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: Three of his kids were in the car when the 85 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: shooting occurred, and in fact, it was one of the 86 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: children's birthday. Seeing that on your birthday, that's gonna Yeah, 87 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: it's gonna change that child's life forever. I mean yeah, forever. Ever, 88 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: straight up traumatized. I mean, how do you feel that 89 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: the whole thing terrible? I mean, I know it's it's 90 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: like another one in a long string of cases. But 91 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: does this strike you in any particular way at the 92 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: same time, Like, I feel like, you know what happened 93 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: if Jacob is terrible, and I'm really glad that he's okay, 94 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: even though he is less on the ways down from 95 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: what I've heard. Um, Like, this kind of has to 96 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: keep happening in order for people to continue to push. 97 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: Like there was a really big explosion of energy earlier 98 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: in the summer. In some places it's been sustained through 99 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: the summer, and other places they've taken early losses and 100 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: kind of picked up their ball and gone home. In 101 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: places like Athens, for example, where people feel kind of 102 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: discouraged when their initial efforts were thwarted by some of 103 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: their city officials, etcetera. Um, And so I'm glad people 104 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: are back in the streets. I'm glad people are margining 105 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: and protesting and you know, taking up this mantle again. 106 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: It's so sad it takes this to happen for us. 107 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: You get back that out there and keep fighting. But 108 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: maybe it has to be this way. There are martyrs 109 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: for the cause of drawing people's attention to the the 110 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: deeply just deep down in its core, rotten nous of 111 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: our system of policing. I just don't understand if you're 112 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: gonna be that scared of ship, Like why are you 113 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: even a cop in the first place, Like, I mean, 114 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: the police job is supposed to be. Is it a 115 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: thirst for violence? I really know. I think it's like 116 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: if you want to be treated as a hero, then 117 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: the whole thing about it is that you're like not 118 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: supposed to react like a normal motherfucker with the situation. 119 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: You know, like your job is supposed to be to 120 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: risk your life, to protect everybody, that risk everybody's life, 121 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: protect yourself, Like like I mean, obviously we don't know 122 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: why the cops had their guns drawn in the first place, 123 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. Why do you have fucking guns drawn? Like, like, 124 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: I mean, there's just there's no there's no explanation that 125 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: could come out of it that justifies shooting somebody seven 126 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: times in the back. There's nothing. Nothing. Even if they 127 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: were to say, like we were afraid that he was 128 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: reaching into his car to get a gun, it's like, 129 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 1: then fucking get shot. You signed up for this job. 130 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you signed up for this job to put 131 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: your life on the line for the citizenry of Kenosha wherever. 132 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: Like why, Like I don't understand. It's ill. How when 133 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: when you don't want the motherfucker's to use any for us, 134 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: then they're beating people's ass. Yeah, when they should just 135 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: beat somebody's ass or rough them up, they're shooting them 136 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: seven times, you know. I mean, it's like, what the 137 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: there's never like, there's never like proportionate for It's never 138 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: a proportionate I mean, like, in all honesty, if that 139 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: had been hey don't go to your car, Hey, don't 140 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: go to your car, and then they grab them and 141 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: stopping him from getting getting his car, we're having a 142 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: completely different conversation right now, completely different conversation, and somebody's 143 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: not paralyzed from the waist down. And I mean, I 144 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: hope he gets a grip of money from those motherfucker's, 145 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: you know. But when he does get a grip of 146 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: money from those motherfucker's, it's gonna come out of the 147 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: city's budget that could be otherwise spent. It's not gonna 148 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: come out of the police pension. It's not gonna come 149 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: out of the police budget. Is going to come out 150 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: of their general fund um that could otherwise have been 151 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: spent on youth development programming, on cultivating community gardens. And 152 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: so that's problem with I mean, like, yes, get the money, 153 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: but like we gotta fix the way that city governments 154 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: do that ship too, Like the Kenosho City Council. Whoever, 155 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: when when they paid out that money for Jacob Blake, 156 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: they need to take it out of the police budget 157 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: or the police pension. Well, we talked in a earlier 158 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: episode and I kind of mentioned how just personally I 159 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: didn't think that defund the police was necessarily the best 160 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: slogan as it were. But if you want like an 161 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: idea that I think a majority of people could get, 162 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: get you know easily get on board for as if 163 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: you make when cops get sued for misconduct and stuff 164 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: and police departments get sued if it comes out of 165 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: their pension, like more like that'd be like if you'll 166 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: suck around one more time, like if something like that, 167 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: if something like that did pass, watch how quick stuff 168 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: would be. They'd be more hesitant to pull out their 169 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: gun on somebody. So in response, connotions took to the streets, 170 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: knocking an officer at the scene of a shooting out 171 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: with a brick to the head, arching on, breaking into 172 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: the police department and ransacking it, setting fire to the 173 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: county courthouse, as well as a garbage truck that have 174 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: been positioned as a barricade. UM. I believe it later 175 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: exploded um in addition to several dozen cars at at 176 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: least one auto dealership. And that was just Sunday night, Okay, 177 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: So Monday night protests continued with about a thousand, two 178 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: thousand people taking to the streets, setting fire to the 179 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: Department of Corrections, provoking cops to deploy tear gas second 180 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: night in a row to disburse the crowd. Echoing seems familiar. 181 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: As protests reached their ninetieth Day. Yeah, I saw at 182 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: least one Portland based organizer tweet out for weeks people 183 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: all of the world marched in solidarity with Portland. Tonight, 184 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: Portland marches with Kenosha, which brings us to our topic 185 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: of today, Portland, Oregon. Portland quickly blew up and somewhat 186 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: faded from the national consciousness as earlier the summer they 187 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: fitted off federal troops deployed there to quell the uprising. 188 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: But we're left with some lingering questions, particularly what is 189 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: really at the root of the Portland protests, How does 190 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: Portland hip hop community feel about the Portland uprising, and 191 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: how has it taken part and a little bit we're 192 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: gonna be talking with Max Smith, Portland based hip hop 193 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: journalists and police abolitionists. But first some background in the 194 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: Portland City Council budget talks of the summer, and some 195 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: lessons other municipalities can gain from the work they've done. 196 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: Their work. Many would argue still have a long way 197 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: to go to Portland's seventies percent white, but it's no 198 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: stranger to cops gutting down black Portlanders in the last decade. 199 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: Former Portland in a CP president and the first ever 200 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: black women elected to the Portland City Council. Commissioners Joe 201 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: and hard to See called out white Portlanders for their 202 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: silence around the slayings of Kendrick James in two thousand 203 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: and three, Aaron Campbell in two thousand and ten, and 204 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: other black residents in recent years. Now mid that silence. 205 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: The Portland Police Bureau's budget has gone from two hundred 206 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: and fourteen point nine million in two thousand seventeen to 207 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty one point six million twenty eighteen 208 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: to two hundred and forty one point five million twenty nineteen. 209 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: In May, the Portland City Council unanimously approved the city 210 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: budget that included amendments allocating six hundred thirty three thousand 211 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: dollars to the Portland Street Fund, a city contract police 212 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: alternative that we'll talk about a little bit later, as 213 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: well as five hundred and forty seven thousand dollars in 214 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: local cannabis tax dollars to fund social equity grants. Together, 215 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: fire and police makeup about six of the half a 216 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: billion dollars city budget. But then just a couple of 217 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: days later after they approved this initial budget, the uprising 218 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,239 Speaker 1: began costing them word to go back to the negotiating 219 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: table and trying to meet public demands, which at the 220 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: time community consensus was a call for a fifty million 221 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: reduction in their children forty something million dollar police budget. 222 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: On the second go around, the Portland City Council passed 223 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: a budget that redirected more than fifty million dollars from 224 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: the police bureau to other city programs and initiatives. The 225 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: cuts included disbanding police units that work in schools, that 226 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: investigate gun violence, and those that patrol the regional public 227 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: transit system, bringing the police budget down to about two 228 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: d million dollars. Now that reduction on police that investigated 229 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: gun violence, is that necessarily a good thing, though, so 230 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: I believe. I read that they had done an audit 231 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: of the work that this task course had under undertaken 232 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: in recent years and found that, you know, it was 233 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: over policing black Portland, it was discriminatory. And so I mean, sure, 234 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: investigate gun violence generally, but if the system you have 235 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: in place isn't working and echoes calls that you know 236 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: have been become common across the country at this point, 237 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: that you disband the rotten system and put something new 238 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: in place that actually gets the work done. So from 239 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: the way that you're talking about, it sounds like it 240 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: might have been one of those like rogue you know, 241 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: rogue units that they create, like the crash unit in 242 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: l A that went rogue, and it was pretty much 243 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: being drug dealers themselves, like pretty much just abusing the 244 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: part when you have these little you know, special task 245 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: force within police departments and they have like special powers 246 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: and special you know privileges that kind of get away 247 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: with things and then start going overboard with us. So 248 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: I would argue that in this case, it's not even 249 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: going rogue enacting what police departments do effectively, but when 250 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: you actually like get into the data of that looks 251 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: like on the department department or you know, are they 252 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: actually are they actually stop? Yeah, so um complicated vote. 253 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: You know, some folks that research and our practitioners and 254 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: alternatives to policing have found that with particularly gang violence, 255 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: having um former gang members mediate gang conflicts as a 256 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: way is can be a very effective way of like 257 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: producing at least gang related gun violence. And so there's 258 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: alternatives that exist that maybe can get funded in their 259 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: next year's budget. But I think cracking down on in 260 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: like you know, wiping out uh sub department that's not 261 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: working like kindative is in line with this abolitionist way 262 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: of that is resting all across the country anyway. So 263 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: Commissioner Hardesty had harsh words for the folks who have 264 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: said it isn't enough. I want you to know that 265 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: it is not appropriate for you to say that I 266 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: have not gone far enough. She said, you don't know 267 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: the shoes that I've walked in for over the thirty 268 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: years that I've lived in Portland. And I understand where 269 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: she's coming from. I mean, cop between the seemingly utopian 270 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: demands if a radicalized public and the dead end realities 271 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: of governance, like when you like the police of the 272 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: police to bureau is going to argue that every single 273 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: dime they get is essential and that there can't be 274 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: any budget cuts anywhere. And so that's the nature of 275 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: like most government agencies. They're gonna they're going to argue 276 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: for their survival by any means necessary. And so it 277 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: it hinders our ability to think critically and creatively about 278 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: where cuts are possible, because if someone's telling you, if 279 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: you're asking supposedly the experts on how a department is run, 280 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: where can we cut the fat? And they're not giving 281 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: you anything, Like you're not the expert. How are you 282 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: supposed to know? Like how are you supposed to call 283 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: them bullshit? And so I run into issues like that 284 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: all the times, where like the framing of the debate 285 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: of what is possible, Like like we we turn to 286 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: these experts, these engineers, these you know, traffic designers, these 287 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: steward experts, and you you like want to like rely 288 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: on their expertise, but you don't know, um uh, you 289 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: don't have any specific what do you can talk about? 290 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: Do you specific example? I mean like, um, I mean 291 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: the police department here? Yeah, fucking police department here. Um. 292 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: When we're designing anything from like sidewalks, you're leaning on 293 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: the expertise quote unquote of like these uh design contractors, etcetera. 294 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: Like I don't have a background of that. I have 295 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: to most of the time trust that their calculations and 296 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: their estimates and they're all that stuff is you know, 297 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: informed by you know, is data driven and informed by 298 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: like really robust educational background. But what if they're fucking around? 299 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: What if they're fucking line to mean, what are they 300 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: funk about? To me about how much sidewalk costs. How 301 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: might I supposed to another line to me about how 302 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: much the sidewalk costs. And so you know, that's what 303 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: we run into all the time with civil servants that 304 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: have to be these jack of all trades for this 305 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: variety of kinds of public good the government is in 306 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: charge of delivering. So let's talk a little bit about 307 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: Portland Street Response. Yeah, so they up their investment in 308 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: their police alternative program in the Portland Street Response to 309 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: four point eight million in this revised budget. Now. PSR 310 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: is modeled after a program in Eugene, Oregon known as 311 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: CAHOOTS or Crisis Assistants Helping Out on Our Streets, which 312 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: is run by um an organization called the White Bird Clinic. 313 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: So Whitebird Clinic launched CAHOOTS as a community policing initiative 314 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: in That's all right, thirty one years ago, before we 315 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: were even having this conversation in the main stream, the 316 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: HOOTS was operating as a police alternative that the city 317 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: contracts with the handle crisis related to homelessness, intoxication, and 318 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: substance abuse. The program mobilizes two person teams consisting of 319 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: a medic there's a paramedic getting at something like that 320 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: um as well as a crisis worker who has to 321 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: stand till training and experience in the mental health field. 322 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: The COHOPS teams deal with a wide range of mental 323 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: health related crises, anything from conflict the resolution the substance abuse, 324 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: to welfare checks, suicide threats, and more, reling on a 325 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: trauma informed de escalation and harm reduction technique. Now, according 326 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: to the newspaper The Oregonian, CAHOOTS, the o G version 327 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: of PSR fields about of all calls to nine one 328 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: one another non emergency lines to the Greater Eugene, Oregon 329 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: area in two thousand eighteen. Of the twenty two thousand 330 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: calls the CAHOOTS responded to, less than a hundred and 331 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: fifty led to CAHOOTS requesting police for backup. Program leaders 332 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: estimated that it saves the city of Eugene seven million 333 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: dollars annually in medical costs and an estimated eight point 334 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: five million dollars in public spending every single year because 335 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: so many of the people that the non police teams 336 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: help would otherwise end up in emergency rooms or you know, 337 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: in jail. So how so that's been going on for 338 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: a while. Thirty one years they've been doing it in 339 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: Eugene and I'm not sure how recently they piloted it 340 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: in UM in Portland the PSR version that's sort of 341 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: modeled after cahoots. But uh, with the additional funding that 342 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: was approved for it in their second round of their 343 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: budget talks, they're able to to like spread it out 344 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: over wider area in the city UM And uh, yeah, well, 345 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's interesting. I wonder if the police 346 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: backup comes with them on the scene or if it's requested, 347 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: like after they got check out after Okay, I was 348 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: I think I was reading or watching something with someone 349 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: who was a social worker who that they were talking 350 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: about defunding the police, and they were making that case 351 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: that they were like, well, would I be able to 352 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: have back up with me just in case I needed it? 353 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: Because they were talking about how domestic domestic disputes usually 354 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: kind of do end with violence that they might Yeah. 355 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: So the way it works here, we have mental health 356 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: UM response teams that consist of a mental health professional 357 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: and a police officer that are floyd when there's suicide 358 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: threats or someone having some sort of mental health breakdown. 359 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: Our crisis and that model is okay. But like if 360 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: I am on the verge of killing myself and the 361 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: cops show up, it's like, that's a perfect I'm going 362 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: to provoke that motherfucker so that he'll shoot me and 363 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: it's suicide by cop. We've had that. I mean, we've 364 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: had people, you know, like one of the police murders 365 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: that happened last year, a gentleman had a knife and 366 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: he was shouting at the cops to do it, do it, 367 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: do it, and they did it, and they fucking shot 368 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: him dead. And so I mean the way that armed 369 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: response if any kind, escalates these kinds of situations, you know, 370 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: weighing that against yeah, what does what happens if it 371 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: does escalate. But in the case of who it's twenty 372 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: calls only a fifties, they need to call armed back 373 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: up and they were able to, you know, non violently. 374 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: Otherwise the escalate the situation. Um. So, I think this 375 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: is a really interesting example of expanding specialized responses to crises. 376 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: What police abolition could look like is piloting more and 377 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: more programs like these, tailored let's say, to domestic violence 378 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: or disputes, hiring former gang members, I go saying earlier 379 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: to de escalate gun conflicts until you've got this really 380 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: wide umbrella of crisis responses, in addition to, of course, 381 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: full funding for social services that help curb crimes of survival. 382 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: This month, Oregon Senator Ron Wyden has recently proposed a 383 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: national alternative to using police's first responders to mental health crisis. 384 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: The Cahoots Act is modeled after Eugene's eponymous program and 385 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: would provide medicaid match for local municipalities across the nation 386 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: that implements such program. Too bad they haven't expanded medicaid 387 00:21:47,359 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: in Georgia. Fucked again. Portland has surpass us it's eightieth 388 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: day of continuous protests since the George Floyd uprising began 389 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: in May. And today we're joined by Max Smith, Portland 390 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: hip hop journalists and promoter, an advocate for defunding and 391 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: abolishing the Portland Police Bureau. You're gonna talk to us 392 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: a little bit about the Portland hip hop scene and 393 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: its role in the uprising. There, Mac tell us a 394 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: little bit about who you are and how you got 395 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: where you are today, particularly your involvement in the Pacific 396 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: Northwest hip hop scene through projects like The Thesis and 397 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: We out Here Magazine. Yeah, I'm Max Smith. Um, I'm 398 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: a dad. I feel a concerts here called the Thesis, 399 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: and I've run We out Here magazine, which is an 400 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: online blog that focuses on hip hop culture for the 401 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: last think it or so, Um I've been I thought 402 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: what the Thesis for about five years until the COVID hit. 403 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: We had five years traded concerts and and most of 404 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: the things I do, the goal is to not really 405 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: become like a big corporation or a big you know, 406 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: a big organization, but rather to just try and bring 407 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: in profit or money and then it spread that throughout 408 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 1: our community. So like with a Thesis, it's a concert 409 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: that's completely um fueled by a door fees and so 410 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: it's a really no frills, no guest list type of 411 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: event that actually has a lot of of culture and 412 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: art involved in it. And we ensure that all the 413 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: artists are are are paid and so there's no money 414 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: that goes back to anybody. It just all goes to 415 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: the artists. So in most of the projects that I 416 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: work on, they kind of work in that way where 417 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: it generates income for people who are doing the work 418 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: and minimizes the incomfortable that are organizing. So with that, 419 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: um coming into this, all of this um protests life, 420 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm no stranger to dealing with the police and dealing 421 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: with the different city organizations that kind of have have 422 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: worked to oppress so over the years to just based 423 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: on working in music, not being a person that that 424 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: coordinate with the police has always been a thing in 425 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: my life. So UM, as this came up, I kind 426 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: of had a position already in that regard and people 427 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: already knew me in that regard, so um that allowed 428 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: me to do the work pretty well. How often have 429 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: you been out in the streets since everything started going 430 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: down and what type of things if you witnessed out there? UM, 431 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: I would probably say, without saying too much, I'm probably 432 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: out of the nights that we're out. Um the nights 433 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: I'm out. Um. All the work though, isn't done at 434 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: night at the protests, you know though, that's I think 435 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: a big thing to keep in mind that with the 436 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: protests being there, you know, the physical portion of being 437 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: there with the police and all that, that's really just 438 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: a small part of the protests. So I mean, realistically, 439 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm active every day, is there is there anything in 440 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: particular that you see that's kind of being misrepresented about 441 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: the protests just in the broader national media. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 442 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: that's a that's a deep one. Um. Pretty much everything 443 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: is being is being misconstrued about the protests. I mean, 444 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: from who's protesting to what we're protesting for. Um, it's 445 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: all been misconstrued. So when you think about it, this 446 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: is a protest of Portland, Oregon, a majority white city 447 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: where you have a lot of people all banding together 448 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: two to dismantle the police, um as they exist here. 449 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: So that's really the purpose of what we're here to 450 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: protest for. And UM, that's that's rarely represented in the 451 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: in the main media. I mean they're almost always just 452 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: saying that we're here for black lives matter, We're here 453 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: for um, you know, education reform, we're here for financial reasons, 454 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: and we're not We're here to disband the police and 455 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: and use that money for our communities. UM. I think 456 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: that's that's probably the main thing. The other thing that's 457 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: often misconstrued is that is who's running the protest, and 458 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: really it's a really multicultural assortment of people who are 459 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: into this. UM. But there's this idea that it's being 460 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: fueled by like Antifa, white kids who are definitely out 461 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: there part of the collective, But that's not the whole 462 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: story by any means. Um. There's also a lot of 463 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: stories about the violence that occurs. And um, the same 464 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: thing kind of happened in Seattle where people who really 465 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: weren't a part of the protests started doing crazy stuff 466 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: and then the police blame on the protest. So there's 467 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: a lot of that currently going on. And also they're 468 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: not talking about how we're being repeatedly attacked by white 469 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: supremacist in the streets and the police student do nothing 470 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 1: about it. In fact, a lot of them areful there 471 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: were shots fired. I actually had a bomb with the 472 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: recently and then and yeah, and so I follow a 473 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: lot of independent Portland journalists who cover that kind of thing. 474 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: But that's not the type of thing you see on CNN, 475 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: not at all. Is the no. No is the protesters 476 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: defending themselves or they latch onto property damage and things 477 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: like that, rather than right the lives that are at stake. 478 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: When someone tries to drive their truck there a crowd. Yeah, 479 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: and that's and that's factual. That's factual. Um, that's what 480 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: they do. They allow these this violence to occur on 481 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: one side, and then they and then they on the 482 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: other side. They just don't even talk about it that 483 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: I think it's not even happening. It seems like there's 484 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: almost like an effort to push the narrative that there's 485 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: not many black voices that are behind the protests. Why 486 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: do you think that is? Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean 487 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: all of the attempts to change the narrative of what 488 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: the protests are about or who is behind it, I 489 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: believe are coordinated. I don't believe any of it's accidental. Um, 490 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: that's not how these things work. People don't just start 491 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: saying I'm going to go to the protest every single 492 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: day and cause problems like why would you do that? 493 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So I definitely think there's 494 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: coordination on all levels of it. Um. I think there's 495 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: coordination to try and change the narrative of who is 496 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: doing what and and also who's in charge of what, 497 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: because in real this is a very natural organic grassroot, 498 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: this thing that's occurring here. There's no one saying, hey, 499 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna meet every day at this place, and that's 500 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: what happens. It's literally people just deciding and going to 501 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: spot and that's why you're seeing protests, which they also 502 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: don't talk about. You see protests in different parts of 503 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: town every day, so the protestings aren't aren't huge, but 504 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: there's also like there might be thirty people at the 505 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: police station in the north, a hundred and fifty people 506 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: at the union office, and there might be another fifty 507 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: five people somewhere else that you know, a county building 508 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: of protesting and the police are dealing with all of 509 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: that as a result instead of just disbanding and and 510 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: re building. Can you talk to us a little bit 511 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: about some of the behind the scenes organizing that goes 512 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: on that doesn't catch the eye of the media that 513 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: you were referring to a little bit earlier. So, yeah, 514 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of organizing that occurs in the in 515 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: the form of mutual aid. So that's been that's been 516 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: a huge thing they've also not talked about much in 517 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: the media. And as well as that, they've also used 518 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:03,239 Speaker 1: um they've also at hacked our mutual aid. So there 519 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: have been a really some really good things. When the 520 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: protests first started and they were going downtown and whatnot, 521 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 1: especially after the East Side big parades kind of ended. Um, 522 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: there was a lot of mutual aid. A lot of 523 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: actually came out at the big place on the East Side. 524 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: But there were systems that were put in place for 525 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 1: medical care for the protesters. That's for your charge, uh, 526 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: food around the clock for the protesters, as well as 527 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: the homeless, and the and the and the medal care 528 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: also applied to the homeless. So over the first probably 529 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: a month and a half two months the protests, there 530 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: was a ton of mutual aid. Crime actually dropped around 531 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: the city. UM. And if you don't, if you don't 532 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: I know about I think like sixty percent of our 533 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: emergency calls go to work homeless situation. So when the 534 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: hobo started getting fed every day and eating every day 535 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: off of the donations from you know, just crowdsource the donations, UM, 536 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: that changed a lot, changed a lot, and it changed 537 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: our narrative that this this revolution really one of substances. 538 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: It is one that actually provides for the people where 539 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: the city and the government have not. There's never been 540 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: an end to hunger importland until we started protesting, and 541 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: we end hunger too early, and then we had a 542 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: free healthcare. We in fact, you still have a free 543 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: healthcare athority protest because we have so many doctors and 544 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: nurses and medics that have that are are volunteering that 545 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: they've just organized and created essentially free healthcare. I got 546 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: a shot in the face wearing a face shield and 547 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: unfortunately at a supper day a pretty good nod in 548 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: a concussion. And I didn't get any big, any bill 549 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,239 Speaker 1: for the chief that I got. And other people actually 550 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: shop like with bullets and they've actually pulled bulls out 551 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: of people, so you know, it's it's it's a real thing. 552 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: There's no ambulance views, you know, if they have to 553 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: take you to the hospital. And that's the whole thing 554 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: is like through the struggle, there's a lot of positive 555 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of positivity that can be enacted. 556 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: It took you know, Obama was elected twelve years ago 557 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: and obviously universal healthcare and and we did it in 558 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: two weeks. So it's really a mental will in a 559 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: manner of saying that if we are resisting, then we 560 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: are resisting everything. And as that grows, start to see 561 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: them attacking our mutual aid. They destroyed riot Race, which 562 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 1: was lighting the food. They they've tried to to destroy 563 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: the med trucks, the med cards, They've been popping the 564 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: tires on the snap bands, um, all those kind of 565 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: things that libor food and sustenance to the protesters. They've 566 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: attacked all of those things. So that's a really big 567 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: point is that they're they're not attacking those things because attacked, 568 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: but reason they're doing it because they don't want us 569 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: to be independent. Yeah that's right, that's right. Yeah, what 570 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: has what was the mood as the national media at 571 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,479 Speaker 1: the federal jack boots descended upon Portland, and what has 572 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: the mood been since those forces have retreated. I think 573 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: the big thing about the federal occupation was that it 574 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: was really unexpected and it was really violent. Um. I 575 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: really just feel like it was an escalation that was 576 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: intended in order to in order to be able to 577 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: de escalate later to the normal levels of a police 578 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: of violence and be able to consider that to be 579 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: a win. UM. So kind of you know, if someone's 580 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: bullying you and you could playing, they bully you harder 581 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: and then they go back to bullying you, you know 582 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: you normally and you just say that's as close to no, um, 583 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: But that's not something that we're falling for. The mood 584 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: just basically got more aggressive when they came. We just 585 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: became more upset. You know, as they escalated their tactics, 586 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: we escalated our defense tactics. And that's really what the 587 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: mood you know was. They really just got us tighter. 588 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: You know. Well, since the fans have left, a lot 589 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: of the people are out of the battle. You know, 590 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people really came out because before the 591 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: fence came, there were a few hundred people every night. 592 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: I've just centered, you know, protesting and get mad whatever else. 593 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: But um, when the fans came there with thousands, everyone's like, no, 594 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: screw that, They're not gonna come occupied, you know what 595 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: I mean. So that brought out a different contingent oftentimes. Um, 596 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: and when the fans left a lot of those people 597 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: went home. Okay, we've fought off the fans and we're done. 598 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: So we kind of expected that, like you had to 599 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: expect that drop off. Some people came out because the 600 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: Feds were here that they don't actually have a big 601 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: beef with the police. They might support it, but the 602 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: fans are are I'm going outside. So a lot of 603 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: people now are back in their homes and they're still supporting. 604 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: Some people have states since the fans came because they 605 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: just saw how bad it was and they realized the 606 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: whole game plan. But the the the numbers are lower 607 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: now and at this point right now, UM, we're really 608 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of the counter insurgency stuff with um, 609 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: you know, again the protests that are not a part 610 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: of the protests that are attacking people downtown and doing 611 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: things that the nature that get really bad press. Um. 612 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: You know, if you see a black guy downtown and 613 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: he attacks somebody, then all of this and it looks 614 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: like a black you know, Lives Matter protest or whatever 615 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: is doing something. So there's a lot of bad right now. 616 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: And so the the mood right now is very tentative, 617 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: especially with the fact that we have white supremacists coming 618 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: down armed this weekend that they have you know, and 619 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: they did last weekend and shot at people with with 620 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: with a paint balls and plastic balls and pepper balls 621 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: and all kind of other things and bear mason people public. 622 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: So when you have that kind of stuff as well, 623 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: then people start to escalate. So the mood right now 624 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: is very tentative. People aren't sure if they want to 625 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: come against the white supremacists with their own weaponry, or 626 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: are they going to you to be defensive or at 627 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: what point does it escalate to these random citizens are 628 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: shooting at us and we're gonna start shooting them back. 629 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of questions right now that they're 630 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: going on. There's a lot of conversations about why we're here, 631 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, are we here for a peaceful thing? You know, 632 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: for not a peaceful thing, because there's no justice, so 633 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: there's no peace. But are we here to be non violent? 634 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: Are we here to be aggressors? Are we here to 635 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: push that? So there's a lot of conversation around that, 636 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: and people have different opinions. Obviously, people have different levels 637 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: of hatred for the police. Um I, personally, I am 638 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: not a person that believes in hating people, but we 639 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: definitely don't agree with the system of policing and we're 640 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: definitely remitted to dismantleft by enemy is necessary. So um 641 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot in there, and there's a 642 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: lot where is it a point where people are really 643 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: are actually wondering what's next? And the mood is very 644 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: very uh, it's it's very tentative. Where do you think 645 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: Portland's unique resiliency in this battle against um, the police 646 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: state comes from. This is Portland's you know, if you've 647 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: ever seen a movie like you know, uh, what's that 648 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: movie where they avery what's called all those movies where 649 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: folks like you know, uh, the terrorists come and and 650 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: the and the and the white man go to the 651 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: mountains and become you know, mountain minute fight back. That's like, 652 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, that's how they think out here. Like you know, 653 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: when the fans come or the government comes for us, 654 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: we're gonna arm up. This is the Northwest. Like guns 655 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: are very easy to get. There's not a whole lot 656 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: of laws about that kind of stuff. You can get 657 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: away with a lot in the Northwest. So there's a 658 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: lot of you know, it's very a pioneer state. UM. 659 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: And over the years they've heard they tried hearts to 660 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 1: not let the black folks be a part of that, 661 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: but we've become a part of that too. And just 662 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: the culture here in Portland is to always protests. They've 663 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: been calling us a little the bey routs since I 664 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: think the eighties. You know, Um, this is a place 665 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: where if there's injustice, then people hit the streets Director 666 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: of Democracy is a very very real thing here. So 667 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: this is nothing new for us. The duration is new, 668 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: but you gotta keep in mind like we had the 669 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: Occupy a High thing here forever, we had the w 670 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: h O protests, We've had the Trade on Martin protests, 671 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: we had the Donald Trump a protest. We've had I mean, 672 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: I've been in more put the back and I can 673 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: think of I've been a going protests for almost twenty years. 674 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 1: So this is definitely it's it's it's nothing new. So 675 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: with um Portland's having a lot of protests like that 676 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: is the uh is the hip hop scene politically active 677 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: there as well? A little bit differently seeing here is 678 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: definitely political and that's part of why I've been involved 679 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: for years. We had to fight at the cops here 680 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: a few years ago, I think five or six years ago, 681 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: we had to actually do a bunch of stuff and 682 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: the police were shutting down all the venues. That or 683 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: the police in the five department we're working together with 684 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: with O L's sec fueled the Liquor Commission here to 685 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: shut down hip hop shows, hip hop parties at any 686 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: clubs that played hip hop music. People that wore black 687 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: looking clothes all that stuff. So we had to fight 688 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: a lot of battles with the media and with the 689 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: police and in city hall to try and get this 690 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: stuff done and it hasn't been easy, but we definitely 691 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: are getting it done. So it's so yet the politics 692 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: here in the hip hop scene are definitely evident. All 693 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: the hip hop artists are not into politics, and I 694 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't say that, but there's actually definitely a strong um 695 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: hip hop under a current that that follows these protests. 696 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: In fact, like every other Friday or so, there's like 697 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: a hip hop stands up event. It's like a protest 698 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: where there's a concert involving. There's been a lot of 699 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: of of music, especially black music um played here. There's 700 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: artist here named named uh Na a Swiggle Mandela and 701 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: he's got a song called uh Deer Portland Police that 702 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: he put out a few years ago, and it's really 703 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: become like the unofficial anthem of the protest. People just 704 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: walk around with speakers and play on loop and you know, 705 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: during the protests. So and in the Star Wars death 706 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: Mark kind of like our yeah quick aside, every episode 707 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: we do a music discussion and so we'll definitely be 708 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: playing that and uh uh that's acting. That is a 709 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: part of this episode. Anything else, do you want to 710 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: shout out or highlight? Um, while we've got your what 711 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 1: got you here? I would say, you know, shout out, 712 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: shout out everybody black. I'm rooted for all of us. Um, 713 00:38:54,120 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, I would definitely say Harris m aggress right. 714 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: You know that being said, I I do think that 715 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: as people, as a people, as black people, UM, we 716 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: definitely oftentimes fall for the performative, you know, and the 717 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: goal of hey we got something, and I think that's 718 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: really been to our detriment historically. So um, you know, 719 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: I know that there's no control over the national politics 720 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: at this level, so you know, I definitely support the 721 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: better of the two evils at this point, I guess. 722 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: But Um, the biggest thing is that here important we 723 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: understand that a democracy can be a direct it can 724 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: happen directly in the streets. Um. We don't have to 725 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: wait for everyone to understand what's going on. We can 726 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: just start teaching them and making the difference to ourselves. 727 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: And that's I think is what makes this whole thing 728 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 1: here in Portland, this whole revolution here in Portland a 729 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: last so long is that people are seeing the long 730 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: and story and not just you know, getting stuck in 731 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: the day to day. As as long as we can 732 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: do that, then I think it is gonna continue on 733 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: for for quite a while. Well, hey man, thank you 734 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: for taking the time. I'm sorry about the technical difficulties 735 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,479 Speaker 1: at the all right, thank you, all right, we'll happen. 736 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: Good night, Thanks so much. Now let's turn to our 737 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: music discussion for this week, focused on on Portland's hip 738 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: hop artists, particularly who've been involved in the movement there. 739 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: So up first we have artists Swiggle Mandela and his 740 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: track which is part of his Dear series. This one's 741 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: called do you Know Where You At? Has there ever 742 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: even been a governor over a mayor that was black? 743 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 1: That's definitely got like a really strong, like spoken word vibe. Yeah, 744 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: I like that. I like that. It's a real smooth 745 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: on this rective meditative yeah. Um. It covers a lot 746 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 1: of issues. Opens with your why Portland, why can't it 747 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 1: afford a house in Alberta, addressing issues of gentrication and 748 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: rising housing costs. Um. I think it's really interesting, he says, 749 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: how come I couldn't sell weed? But you can kind 750 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: of touching on equity issues in marijuana legalization because of 751 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: prohibition for so many years, was particularly used to target 752 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: black folks. Uh, what happens now that giant you know, 753 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: we entrepreneurs, conglomerates and stuff. Yeah, with their trust fund 754 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: seed money for these giant grow operations are the ones 755 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: that are really cashing in. We're going to change. We're 756 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: going to cover that definitely in our Weed episode. Yes, Um, 757 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,919 Speaker 1: I like the use of breaking up pretty much every 758 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: line with that flow. So like you were saying, it 759 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: has a sort of spoken wordy sort of quality to it, 760 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: and because it has that broken up aspect to it, 761 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: but when a line sticks with you, it really sticks 762 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: because you have that room for it to breathe after 763 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: he says it. So like that part where he was 764 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: like a dear white Portland, why won't you treat me 765 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: like a man, and it just you know, you just 766 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: get the beat playing after he says it, with an 767 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: echoing like, I love that. I love that. So Swiger 768 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: Mandell also, you know, part of his Dear series, this 769 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: is the one um Max Smith was talking about the 770 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: kind of it's become like a protest anthem in the 771 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: streets of Portland. It's called Portland Portland Police. I just 772 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 1: want my peace. They don't free little swag, keep back 773 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: on the street. Street. They traded and they she stay 774 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: traded and they we don't fun. You don't want to 775 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: beat fucking bangs? Actually, hey, hey dear Portland police. Hey, 776 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: that's cool. That's cool, and I think that so it 777 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: premiered earlier this month and ship bangs. Honestly, I mean 778 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: that's definitely is part of that, uh you know the 779 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 1: ongoing theme that we're always talking about, which is if 780 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 1: you have a message and you put it into the 781 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 1: right rhyme or the right song and right beat, it 782 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: makes them usage just so much more so much more. 783 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: I feel palpable and like translatable, you know what I'm saying. 784 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: I feel like you could put this on for somebody 785 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 1: who's not even necessarily up to speed of what's going on. 786 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: It's just like your poor little police. You know, there's 787 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: this aesthetic overlap between hip hop and like protest culture 788 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: with like really catchy call it responsor. It's like if 789 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: you can figure out, you know, just how to encapsulate 790 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 1: something in like three words where that that were like 791 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: that that base is sort of implied and and all, 792 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: like all the weight of the message just behind like 793 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, a simple like slogan. It's so good. Imagine 794 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: what that ship is like when they're like actually bumping 795 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: it like on the street and you're just like surrounded 796 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: by people. Yeah, yo, yo, this is an interesting one. 797 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: So this is Mike Crenshaw, rapper, activist, an educator. He's 798 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,959 Speaker 1: originally from Chicago, but he's been living in Portland since 799 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: the nineties. Now we're gonna listen to a bit of 800 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: his song and then get our reaction to it. But 801 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you a little bit more about 802 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: him afterwards because it leads into the artist that we 803 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: have after him. So this is Mike Crenshaw with the 804 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: track heavy Bag. Saw something that always raised this struc 805 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: being totally producted heavy Heavy Bag with this heavy I 806 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: was bumping this like multiple times in the room. Yeah, 807 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 1: like in a row. The beat is ill. I like 808 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: how in the video he's wrapping this whole verse like 809 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 1: a a fucking clans dude that you got held up? 810 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: Oh Portland, y'all do that? Y'all got that right there? 811 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's a good one. He's the 812 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: founding member of the Anti Racist Action, which is a 813 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,280 Speaker 1: decentralized network of anti fascist and anti racist in North America, 814 00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,280 Speaker 1: which has existed from nineteen seven up until two thousand 815 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 1: and thirteen. Mike Crenshaw worked with a global group of 816 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: artists to found Africa Hip Hop Caravan a mission. Their 817 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 1: mission is to connect artists across Africa and the dispora 818 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: through annual performance and tours through Eastern Southern Africa. The 819 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: white guy gets to be strong, like yeah, and it heavy. 820 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: And this first guy is Mica Fletcher. He was a 821 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,320 Speaker 1: survivor in the two thousand seventeen Portland train attack. So 822 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: pretty much this white supremacist was on a train and 823 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 1: he was yelling anti Muslim slurers two teenage black girls, 824 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 1: and he got confronted by three men and he stabbed 825 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,399 Speaker 1: and killed two of them and stabbed Mica, and Mica 826 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: survived and he teamed up with Mike Crenshaw and they 827 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: recorded this album together as a duo, The Last of 828 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: a Dying Breed. So this is one of the tracks 829 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 1: from it. Let's listen to Mika's part. I hope I'm 830 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: saying that right. It could be Mica, but his MC 831 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 1: name is cool chief Rockers, so let's listen to his 832 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:10,760 Speaker 1: pro every day. Up next, we have C three, the Guru. 833 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't find much as far as his music online, 834 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: but he has been a fixture around the protests for 835 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: the last few weeks. He's a performer and activist. Let's 836 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: check out a little clip from him actually on the 837 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:30,800 Speaker 1: scene and approaches women. We're not going down down, down 838 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 1: down down. Okay, Okay, that's right. And he's been doing 839 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: that like live on the scene, so you know, I mean, 840 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: it sucks that I couldn't find more of his music. 841 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's you know, it's probably out there somewhere. 842 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: It just wasn't easy to find and I didn't have 843 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: enough time to find it. But that clip is enough 844 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 1: to get me to be a fan. And plus C 845 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 1: in an m C like actually pulled the microphone especially 846 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, if you could find no way to do 847 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 1: it in these times, you might as well do it 848 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: for a cause of seeing MC like in a crowd 849 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: just getting busy on the mic for like a purpose 850 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,439 Speaker 1: is that's a beautiful, a beautiful thing to see you. Next, 851 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,439 Speaker 1: we got Karma Rivera with Can't trust Now Karma thinks 852 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: joy is essential to keeping everyone engaged in the movement, 853 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: and recently performed at a Black Lives Matter protest organized 854 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: by nonprofit snack Block. Started the set with the song 855 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: Can't Trust, and at first Rivera said that she was 856 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 1: nervous that it didn't match the serious tone of the protest. 857 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,720 Speaker 1: But as soon as that, as soon as the record dropped, 858 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 1: it was like everybody's energy change. It went from super 859 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,360 Speaker 1: serious to like everybody's dancing at least, this is what 860 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 1: she told pops think out loud. Um, that's kind of 861 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,760 Speaker 1: where I fit in, she said. My music isn't overtly political. 862 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: It kind of tends to disregard respectability, politics affairs, using 863 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 1: music to support local organizers and activists to her building 864 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 1: spaces where protesters can let loose. It is crucial to 865 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter momentum. Celebrations sustains activism ship and 866 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,319 Speaker 1: that's what I was selling people tonight at the protest downtown. Um. 867 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: It's also it's not just about like lamenting the loss 868 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: of life. It's all about celebrating the lives that were 869 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 1: lost because they were all beautiful lives. Celebrating the fact 870 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 1: that Jacob Blake is still alive today celebrating um our power. 871 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: And so I think that non overtly political jams like 872 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: these are very important for the movement. We need to 873 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: sustain our energy. We need to have a little bit 874 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 1: of fucking fun because this ship is really stressful and depressing, 875 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: and if you're you know, it's good to remind everybody 876 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: that ultimately we're there for like love. Yeah, I mean, 877 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,239 Speaker 1: I'm all about my bread like a methodist. I keep 878 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 1: the most seen in the messages, and you know I'll 879 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,359 Speaker 1: be looking like the estimate I can't trust. I can't 880 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,879 Speaker 1: trust all about my bread like a methodist. Okay, girl, 881 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,320 Speaker 1: I hear you. It's cool. It's a nice little pop wrap. No, 882 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,880 Speaker 1: it's good to break to break up some of the 883 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 1: tension and bring some levity in some of these like 884 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,640 Speaker 1: very heavy process. That's interesting thing that she brings up though, 885 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: because especially since I started uh hanging with you and ship, 886 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:21,040 Speaker 1: I get approach to do events that um just you know, 887 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,919 Speaker 1: things where I personally have to ask myself, well does 888 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: my music fit in at those things? Seems like everyone 889 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 1: to hear about some some other ship, you know. But 890 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,360 Speaker 1: it was it was cool reading about her saying that 891 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 1: that sometimes it not even sometimes it's a necessity that 892 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 1: these things aren't mired in just darkness, you know what 893 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, sometimes you need things to come enlighten. 894 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,439 Speaker 1: The tone in the mood to that put it puts 895 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: everybody in a positive headspace. Yeah, I do. On that note, 896 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 1: maybe we'll leave everybody with some some flex bars. Oh yeah, 897 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: the episode and heard how this ship started. We got 898 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,759 Speaker 1: that into the rab abile. Let's fit. Let's get a 899 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 1: beat ah ah, waiting a reparaceous Yeah, we're waiting a reparationous, 900 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,799 Speaker 1: so better take a pick up a visis NI can 901 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,880 Speaker 1: get missing in this slericisn't the missrs is freaking ripping? 902 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,920 Speaker 1: It lifted on the slip of the sticky. They call 903 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,400 Speaker 1: me kick a rest for the flow warm of the 904 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: glot or but but chick a resk had his whiskers 905 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: crips and then think us skip them total since a 906 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 1: fist cross the river six and sist and someone's mike, Kate, 907 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 1: how my phone to leave your pistol? Win? But I 908 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,040 Speaker 1: ain't trying to kick your kids. I'm just trying to 909 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 1: elevate you out, like come mine, he might without a 910 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: switching flick flings and all the other witches on the 911 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,640 Speaker 1: quidditch pitcher. It's got nothing to do with fashion, is 912 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,640 Speaker 1: stacking up intimates. It's a prigate ripping Pakistan, and it's 913 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: so syntactically disid it's practically since it's like, what end 914 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,200 Speaker 1: this way? God MC, that could only be one. You 915 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,839 Speaker 1: need run cutter Rapper's hand off and leave him. I'm 916 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,439 Speaker 1: all the power of course. I saw see the beast done. 917 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,799 Speaker 1: I'm a fat rap nut. You ain't even peak. Come 918 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: you see son. You never see sun when you're buried 919 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,359 Speaker 1: beneath dumb if you're skirt of my speech? Ever heard 920 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,439 Speaker 1: of streets that I'll beat from watching Murder? Will beat 921 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: when I heard him season release. Some they just person 922 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,640 Speaker 1: to streets, some emergency kick trito. My chadhood was shaped 923 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,279 Speaker 1: by West Africa Massaca. Now one days it pays if 924 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,239 Speaker 1: your less than half spectacular. The cameras wrappings a stuck 925 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,480 Speaker 1: faster than Dracula are wrapping too. The day that my 926 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,480 Speaker 1: face is packed with the capita. All right, I'm lingo franca, 927 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,719 Speaker 1: I'm dope knife. We're waiting on reparations, see you next week. 928 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 1: Waiting on reparations, as a production of I heart Radio. 929 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,279 Speaker 1: Listen to Waiting on Reparations on the I heart Radio app, 930 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,000 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.