Speaker 1: What Is Up?
Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets
Speaker 2: Up Podcast. As you can see, we are joined today
Speaker 2: by MLB insider Robert Murray, a fan sided. We're gonna
Speaker 2: be doing a little MLB trade deadline talk. The Mets
Speaker 2: are gonna be one of the biggest sellers at the deadline,
Speaker 2: and there's nobody better to bring in than Robert.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you.
Speaker 2: First off, house things been It's been a while since
Speaker 2: we've had John.
Speaker 3: No, it's it has been a while, but I appreciate
Speaker 3: you boys having me again. It's it's been relatively quiet,
Speaker 3: although I will say yesterday I finally got the first
Speaker 3: time of the entire deadline where I was walking up
Speaker 3: by a phone call, so that that was always fun.
Speaker 3: Although I was up until I was up at like
Speaker 3: one o'clock, did not go back to bed. But as
Speaker 3: of this point, a lot of teams are limbo, so
Speaker 3: it's like everyone's asking like, what are you hearing? What
Speaker 3: are you hearing? And basically what everybody's hearing at this
Speaker 3: point is teams are waiting until probably next week to
Speaker 3: determine what direction they go, and then after that all
Speaker 3: hell could break loose or it could end of being
Speaker 3: a relatively quiet deadline, and really nobody knows the answer
Speaker 3: to that as at this point.
Speaker 1: Definitely, and just the way that the playoffs are expanded now,
Speaker 1: in the way that these wildcard spots, especially in the
Speaker 1: American League, team as up for grabs as ever, the
Speaker 1: Red Sox rip off with fifteen in a row put
Speaker 1: themselves right back in the race. They were supposed to
Speaker 1: be sellers nationally. The Marlins have now lost nine in
Speaker 1: a row. They look like they were going to be
Speaker 1: buyers now. Who knows where they're at. The Orioles are
Speaker 1: staying in it. There's a lot of teams that are
Speaker 1: trapped in the middle, but we know one team that's
Speaker 1: not trapped in the middle is the Mets. And we
Speaker 1: do wish that we were coming to you with a
Speaker 1: happier tide things for the trade deadline, But this Mets
Speaker 1: team is going to sell, sell, sell, sell, So I
Speaker 1: think the first place we want to go is a
Speaker 1: place I don't want to be this time, Yere, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be here as a Mets fan in general,
Speaker 1: But there's just so much smoke right now around Francisco.
Speaker 1: Lindor to the point where it's gotten to an egregious, absurd,
Speaker 1: ridiculous level. We've spoken about this on our show, but
Speaker 1: is there any actual relative truth whether or not be
Speaker 1: the trade deadline or in the offsea until Lindoor waving
Speaker 1: know trade clause moving on from this money anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've checked on this a bunch, and I don't
Speaker 3: think a Lindor trade at this deadline is likely at all.
Speaker 3: I get the impression it's it's really unlikely, and the
Speaker 3: Mets want to keep him, they want to keep Wan Soto,
Speaker 3: and obviously there's been a bunch of smoke around their
Speaker 3: relationship and whether or not it's it's actually in a
Speaker 3: good place. It seems like it's better, And even Steve
Speaker 3: Cohen kind of said the same thing when he was
Speaker 3: on John Hayman's podcast, which is possibly a good sign
Speaker 3: here for the Mets. But in order for them to
Speaker 3: be successful, they need to have a good relationship. They
Speaker 3: need obviously those guys to stay healthy and perform at
Speaker 3: a high level. Same with Bobaschett here as well. I'm
Speaker 3: optimistic that they can figure this out, that they can
Speaker 3: turn it around, but they will not improve from where
Speaker 3: they're at or become like a legitimate playoff team until
Speaker 3: those two can figure it out and perform at the
Speaker 3: levels that they expected because they've invested what three hundred
Speaker 3: and forty one million in Lindor in almost eight hundred
Speaker 3: million in Juan Soto, Like, that's that's all. That's a
Speaker 3: lot of no and you got to making the season here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been talking about how even if there was
Speaker 2: some truth to like Lindor possibly getting moved at the
Speaker 2: trade deadline, now one who's gonna then take his money
Speaker 2: if he's such this undesirable player that you know, people
Speaker 2: on the social media and stuff would like to say,
Speaker 2: And then too, how do the Mets even move forward?
Speaker 2: It just doesn't really make sense for either side.
Speaker 1: A cool play shortstop, who's he actually waving a no
Speaker 1: trade clause for the whole thing seems incredibly complicated right now.
Speaker 3: No, it's totally complicated. And like, honestly, I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: surprised if he just was just wanted to be in
Speaker 3: New York if I'm being honest, because it's a great
Speaker 3: place for him to be and he elected to be
Speaker 3: there when he's signing that mega deal and he knew
Speaker 3: exactly what he was going to be signing up for. Obviously,
Speaker 3: when it comes to the Mets, there's going to be
Speaker 3: Low's and they're currently going through a low right now.
Speaker 3: But I've not gotten the impression at all that he's
Speaker 3: like wanted to be out of New York. So I like, again,
Speaker 3: he controls where he wants to be, and I think
Speaker 3: he wants to be in New York, and I would
Speaker 3: just I would be really surprised if he is moved,
Speaker 3: But I would image there's gonna be plenty of other
Speaker 3: teams that would also want Lindor on their team, but
Speaker 3: would probably require the Mets to pay on some of
Speaker 3: that salary. And I just don't get the impression that's
Speaker 3: just that's a scenario that's even remotely on the forefront
Speaker 3: of the Mets' minds.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 1: Well, good, we got that out of the way.
Speaker 2: We don't need to talk about silly Francisco indoor rumors.
Speaker 2: One guy who's almost guaranteed to not be on the
Speaker 2: Mets come August fourth, Freddy Peralta. He has been statistically
Speaker 2: one of the worst pitchers in baseball this year. Some way, somehow,
Speaker 2: this has happened despite being really good for like the
Speaker 2: last five years. What can we expect on a return
Speaker 2: from Freddy Peralta. Are teams really scared off by what
Speaker 2: he's done so far this season?
Speaker 3: No, I still get the impression is desirable around the league.
Speaker 3: And obviously you mentioned the past five years when he
Speaker 3: was in Milwaukee, he was super consistent. He's also one
Speaker 3: of the best clubhouse guys in baseball, like I was
Speaker 3: around him when I cover the Brewers and everyone, whether
Speaker 3: it's players, coaches, front off of scouts like player development
Speaker 3: like whoever. They love Freddy Peralta. And also too, eight
Speaker 3: milllion dollar contract for this season, obviously it's gonna be
Speaker 3: pro rated, makes him super like desirable for teams, so
Speaker 3: I expect him to be drawing a bunch of interest.
Speaker 3: I think a return for Paralta could end up surprising
Speaker 3: some people considering just the overall, just the overall performance
Speaker 3: that he's had this year, because it's just not been
Speaker 3: anything close to what he did in Milwaukee. But he
Speaker 3: like I feel very confident that he is going to
Speaker 3: be traded. I think there's gonna be a bunch of
Speaker 3: interest lead widen him, even from teams that could be
Speaker 3: small market big market, mid market like you name it,
Speaker 3: his salary and that performance allows every team to be
Speaker 3: in it. But that being said, I wouldn't expect a
Speaker 3: return close to what they ended up getting or what
Speaker 3: they ended up getting to get Paralta. It's not going
Speaker 3: to be like a Jet Williams and a Brandon Sprout
Speaker 3: anything like that. But I do expect them to do
Speaker 3: pretty well here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair on thinking about the money in terms
Speaker 1: of peralta. That keeps a lot more teams involved invested.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times as fans forget that
Speaker 1: these pro rated salaries are something, I mean money. Both
Speaker 1: does such a great job of it of describing how
Speaker 1: much money you're willing to accept. That the deadline for
Speaker 1: a small market team, and I think that another player
Speaker 1: who's really at the top of mind for Mets fans
Speaker 1: his trade deadline season, Luke Weaver, that could possibly work
Speaker 1: against his market something we're afraid about because Luke Weaver
Speaker 1: on his twenty one million dollar contract payroll wise was
Speaker 1: nine and a half million this year, has twelve and
Speaker 1: a half million next year. Is that second year of
Speaker 1: his contract non option? Nothing? There a purely guaranteed second
Speaker 1: year of his contract, could that work against Weaver as
Speaker 1: a trade candidate this deadline?
Speaker 3: Also, I'll go back to something about par Alta real quick,
Speaker 3: because I was talking about it with an executive recently
Speaker 3: and he ended up mentioning to me that you have
Speaker 3: such a better opportunity or better chance if you're an
Speaker 3: organization of having ownership approval of adding that salary as
Speaker 3: opposed to a guy like a Trek scoobl because his
Speaker 3: salary is so big, it automatically limits the amount of
Speaker 3: suitors in there. So I'm telling you, I think Paralta,
Speaker 3: despite that performance, is gonna have a super robust market
Speaker 3: here for sure. But going back to Luke Weaver, he
Speaker 3: is I don't think that works against him at all.
Speaker 3: I think that actually helps the Mets in a potential
Speaker 3: return because I think teams are going to really want
Speaker 3: to have some certainty going into next year just considering
Speaker 3: the overall CBA situation. And it also too like they
Speaker 3: signed him to that two year contract in the winter.
Speaker 3: It's looked that's been one of the very rare moves
Speaker 3: that's actually worked out far. Like props to David Stearns
Speaker 3: for that, and like that extra year could end up
Speaker 3: getting them much more in return for him as well.
Speaker 3: And you look at the rest of the market here,
Speaker 3: like you have our oldest chabin probably unlikely to go
Speaker 3: Mason Miller. There's been a bunch of smoke about that.
Speaker 3: It seems like I'm on an islander where I think
Speaker 3: that's unlikely. I don't think he's going to be traded
Speaker 3: unless some team like Knox Ajproler socks off, which I
Speaker 3: guess you can never really rule that out. So is
Speaker 3: it possible that Luke Weaver would end up being the
Speaker 3: best reliever potentially available, So then in that case you
Speaker 3: can end up having a team blow you away with
Speaker 3: an offer. And also too, like every contending team is
Speaker 3: looking for high leverage bullpen like it's crazy, So the
Speaker 3: Mets could be in a position there to capitalize on
Speaker 3: Weaver for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something to note. Like with Peralta, how you
Speaker 2: mentioned before, Robert the money being so cheap. Even like
Speaker 2: us me and James when we've talked about we've probably
Speaker 2: missed on the fact that because that contract's gonna be
Speaker 2: so affordable for every team of the deadline, there actually
Speaker 2: shouldn't be a single team that wouldn't be interested in
Speaker 2: bringing him in, and especially when you talk about even
Speaker 2: just starting pitcher versus reliever like we would for Luke Weaver.
Speaker 3: That's a nice rhyme right there.
Speaker 2: Like he's just he's got more value to teams. He's
Speaker 2: gonna bring back probably a pretty nice haul for the Mets,
Speaker 2: which would be shocking based on how we've seen him perform,
Speaker 2: especially compared to how Luke Weaver's performed for the Mets
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's crazy, but it's it's such an opportunity
Speaker 3: where the Mets. And also like it's not like there's
Speaker 3: a bunch of guys that are gonna be on this
Speaker 3: market here either, so like they just have such an
Speaker 3: opportunity to be here to really cash in. So obviously,
Speaker 3: like this season's gone to absolute pooh pooh, Like I
Speaker 3: mean that's by a technical baseball term right there.
Speaker 1: It's gone to shit fair right yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But it's like they can take advantage of this thing.
Speaker 3: They can add people who are close to major league ready,
Speaker 3: and then they can be in a better position to
Speaker 3: possibly compete next year. But I think David Stearns has
Speaker 3: to take a pretty long look in the mirror here
Speaker 3: and see exactly how he can approve whether it's like,
Speaker 3: obviously he let go of a lot of that core
Speaker 3: that he had brought in some new guys and it
Speaker 3: took a long time for them to gel. But do
Speaker 3: you change how you view like the injury risk when
Speaker 3: it comes to free agency through trade, Like, well, there's
Speaker 3: a bunch of different things that I think he needs
Speaker 3: to look at because what the season's become is just
Speaker 3: simply not good enough at all. I have one more
Speaker 3: thing real quick.
Speaker 2: Do we you mentioned like that you think most teams
Speaker 2: are probably gonna start to evaluate whether they either buy
Speaker 2: or sell in the next week or so, like next week,
Speaker 2: would the Mets have sort of like an advantage of
Speaker 2: trying to move off from these guys earlier and set
Speaker 2: the market or you think that they're going to be
Speaker 2: patient to and wait.
Speaker 3: That's a great question because I've asked teams that are
Speaker 3: kind of in a similar situation to the Mets, where
Speaker 3: they like are definitive buyers or definitive sellers, I should say,
Speaker 3: And it seems like they're just teams currently are just
Speaker 3: kind of nibbling and seeing exactly what's on the market's
Speaker 3: what it's going to take. It's kind of in the
Speaker 3: kicking the tires phase. So maybe there's a team that
Speaker 3: ends up coming to David Stearns and is like, Okay,
Speaker 3: like let's get this thing done. We're going to give
Speaker 3: you exec what you want, and then maybe they pull
Speaker 3: the trigger on it. But I would expect most, if
Speaker 3: not all, of the movement to come next week, just
Speaker 3: because the market seems relatively quiet right now, even more
Speaker 3: quiet than usual. It's just a very bizarre market overall.
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Speaker 1: Was your general sense on the market, even compared to
Speaker 1: something like last year, where it did take until I
Speaker 1: think it was like two days before the trade deadline
Speaker 1: was the Mets made the first move that was that
Speaker 1: was Tyler Rogers from the Giants. Then everything started kind
Speaker 1: of trickling down, like forty eight hours in advance. But
Speaker 1: just the huge cost for starting pitchers last year again,
Speaker 1: as pertains to Freddie pral To and Clay Holmes, possibly
Speaker 1: as he comes back from injury, you see possibly getting
Speaker 1: similar exorbitant prices like even like a Shane Beeper going
Speaker 1: with like a fringe top bunch of prospects last year
Speaker 1: when he hadn't pitched in a year. Is it still
Speaker 1: very starting pitcher crazed and focused.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would definitely say that's accurate. It's gonna be
Speaker 3: very hefty, like the prices here, and we also might
Speaker 3: have some different guys come on in the market here
Speaker 3: as well. Obviously we lost Sunny Gray, but we might
Speaker 3: have like a Kevin Gosman type or a Trevor Rodgers
Speaker 3: or I mean some different names that are going to
Speaker 3: be possibly emerging here in the coming days as well.
Speaker 3: So I think the prices are going to be very high.
Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be teams, especially the Mets, like
Speaker 3: to keep it Mets focused, like Clay Holmes, like they
Speaker 3: don't have to move him, They're going to try to
Speaker 3: extend him. But from what I'm told, it's unlikely obviously
Speaker 3: that can change. But they can be in a real
Speaker 3: position here to capitalize on both. And also like it's
Speaker 3: not like out of the realm of possibilities that they
Speaker 3: can trade these guys and then possibly bring them back
Speaker 3: like we've seen that scenarios happen before. And Paralta has
Speaker 3: a really good relationship with David Stearns. He's acquired him
Speaker 3: twice and I don't know if the Mets would be
Speaker 3: in a hurry to bring him back. I don't know
Speaker 3: Mets fans wouldn't necessarily like that concerning performance, but like
Speaker 3: it's possible money talks when it comes to free agency.
Speaker 3: So like I would imagine you boys would probably prefer
Speaker 3: to have Clay Holmes come back in for agency. Maybe
Speaker 3: maybe they can end up trading him and then bringing
Speaker 3: him back, who knows. I think that should be something
Speaker 3: we should we should consider here for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean i'd take both back. It's a great time
Speaker 1: to buy a loan for they prolative. Was he asking
Speaker 1: for like one hundred and eighty million a few months ago?
Speaker 1: We're not getting that anymore.
Speaker 3: Than Yeah, I will say, I think that was a
Speaker 3: bad report. Yeah that's too Yeah, that was yeah. I
Speaker 3: saw that number, and I'm like, yeah, I was, I
Speaker 3: didn't think that was right.
Speaker 1: No, it's also like that. I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: helped him be vilified a little bit by Mets fans
Speaker 1: as well. You start to pitch mediocrely to start your
Speaker 1: career with the team, then a rumor leaks out, whether
Speaker 1: it be true or not, to ask for a monster
Speaker 1: extension and then you completely shit the bed, Like now
Speaker 1: you're really Mets fans can't wait to watch that door
Speaker 1: hit you on the way. Don't give us an excuse
Speaker 1: to get mad at you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mets fans, they can get mad. And I didn't
Speaker 3: learned something to.
Speaker 1: These Mets fans were now even mad about the possibility
Speaker 1: of trading Clay homes just because he's become such a
Speaker 1: fan favorite. And he's a weird case just not pitching
Speaker 1: since late may coming off like a fair line fracture
Speaker 1: in his leg. It's weird. But do you do you
Speaker 1: still get the sense that he has a robust mark as.
Speaker 3: Well, super robust. He is going to have a ton
Speaker 3: of interest. And I believe he's throwing a rehabs out
Speaker 3: in today at three innings. Is that right? My days
Speaker 3: are all scripted. I wasn't sure if today was Thursday, Tuesday,
Speaker 3: or Friday or whatever it was. But like I can
Speaker 3: confidently say there are going to be an absolute ton
Speaker 3: of scouts there, Like people are going to be evaluating
Speaker 3: that trying to see if he's going to look like
Speaker 3: a pre injury form, if his stuff is crisp, if
Speaker 3: he looks like he's one hundred percent and if that
Speaker 3: is the case, and maybe teams can see him again
Speaker 3: before obviously the trade deadline and everything, but I would
Speaker 3: imagine he's going to have a very active market. Like
Speaker 3: the Mets, they were one of the teams that wanted
Speaker 3: to convert him to the rotation after being in the bullpen,
Speaker 3: and that's looked like an absolutely masterful move by that organization.
Speaker 3: So I give Stern's credit. Like obviously it's like it's
Speaker 3: easy to beat him while they're down, but he has
Speaker 3: made some good moves in between Luke Weaver and then
Speaker 3: also Clay Holmes, like those two have panned out and
Speaker 3: those two could really stockpile their farm system and have
Speaker 3: him better prepare for next year as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean for every Clay Homes and Luke Weaver.
Speaker 2: We remember the other games that.
Speaker 1: It's been such a roller coaster with David Stearns.
Speaker 2: Didn't expect it like this the bullpend though, Mets have
Speaker 2: so many pieces besides Luke Weaver that are also definitely
Speaker 2: going to be on the move. Aj Minter Brooks, Raley
Speaker 2: kind of being a part of that second tier of
Speaker 2: left handed relievers where you're not a Josh hater, rolled
Speaker 2: as Chapman type, but you're still very capable yet more,
Speaker 2: ahone very capable, good baseball player. Is their market super
Speaker 2: active right now? And what could Mets fans maybe expect
Speaker 2: back for them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, those two are definitely going to be drawing interests,
Speaker 3: and I'm pretty confident they've already been drawing interest as
Speaker 3: team's trying to evaluate who is going to exactly be
Speaker 3: out there. And obviously you can't trade everyone. I mean
Speaker 3: maybe you could, I don't know, but I think both
Speaker 3: of those guys are super desirable because teams are always
Speaker 3: looking for left handed relievers here, and if you can
Speaker 3: end up having those two guys, veteran guys who have
Speaker 3: performed at the major league level, I think that's something
Speaker 3: that's super valuable there. And I'm glad you did mention
Speaker 3: Josh Hater. This is a name that I'm not, like
Speaker 3: totally convinced he's not going to be moved, Like I
Speaker 3: think there's a chance, Like here's okay, So here's my logic.
Speaker 3: Is the Houston Astros in the offseason they were trying
Speaker 3: to shed a bunch of payroll. Hater is signed for
Speaker 3: nineteen million dollars. He's signed for two more years nineteen
Speaker 3: million per year, I should say, could they possibly move
Speaker 3: a gully Hater and then use that money saved and
Speaker 3: to throw it back into the roster in a different way?
Speaker 3: I like, again like, that's my own speculation. It's not
Speaker 3: something that I've heard, but I think it sounds like
Speaker 3: something that they could try to do. And the Brewers
Speaker 3: even tried doing that when they moved Hater in the
Speaker 3: first place. They tried for a couple of different guys.
Speaker 3: Obviously that failed and they missed the postseason. So there
Speaker 3: is risk, but I think Houston should and probably will
Speaker 3: at least consider that. But I would imagine the Mets
Speaker 3: are gonna be in a really good position here where
Speaker 3: they can, like with they're both with both of those
Speaker 3: left handed guys, to take advantage here.
Speaker 1: For sure, we were kind of wondering about something similar
Speaker 1: to what you just said about the Astros and hay
Speaker 1: the whereas this Mets team seems like they're motivated to
Speaker 1: still compete at a high level in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: So with that, seeing that we actually do have payroll flexibility,
Speaker 1: especially if we move on some of these guys for
Speaker 1: the rest of the season, is there a world where
Speaker 1: the Mets do try to actually kind of make a
Speaker 1: measured by take on pictures with team control like Jose Soriano,
Speaker 1: Redetmers floating around or a couple other astros corner infield
Speaker 1: just because the Mets need help there. And Isach Pretus
Speaker 1: or Christian Walker UIs Corstia juniors under contract next year
Speaker 1: fourth year arbitration with the Nationals opposition of need for
Speaker 1: the Mets, like is there any world where they look
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty seven in a significant way at this deadline?
Speaker 3: I definitely think it's something that Sterns will consider. Is
Speaker 3: it something that I've heard? Not on my end, as
Speaker 3: at this point, everything that I've heard surrounding the Mets
Speaker 3: has just been either Freddie Peralta, Clay Holmes or those
Speaker 3: relievers or I mean Luke Weaver as well. I should
Speaker 3: mention him. I don't want to forget him, but I
Speaker 3: David Sterens always has an eye on the present but
Speaker 3: also the future as well. So if he's got an
Speaker 3: opportunity where you can go out and get those guys,
Speaker 3: I think that would make a ton of sounds. Like
Speaker 3: you add a Redetmers type. I can confidently tell you
Speaker 3: he has been the most basketball player on my end
Speaker 3: from other teams across, Like, it's crazy, teams love read
Speaker 3: Detmers and I could see Sam being the under there
Speaker 3: you go, you say, we got another fan right here
Speaker 3: with James. But it's like, I wonder if Stearns can
Speaker 3: see Debtmers, see the underlying numbers and expect him to
Speaker 3: possibly get more out of him. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I know teams just absolutely love read det Meers.
Speaker 2: Are the Mets actually considering trading Francisco Alvarez or is
Speaker 2: that just like kind of a like soft rumor and
Speaker 2: really more so considering trading Luis Terrenz if someone comes knocking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. Immediately after that came out,
Speaker 3: I checked and it's like, you know what, I think
Speaker 3: that's the case where the Mets just evaluate any and
Speaker 3: all options here. And I don't get the sense that's
Speaker 3: like a priority for them. Well, they listen for sure,
Speaker 3: because there's so many teams that need catching help. And
Speaker 3: now we've seen Shay langle Leers, We've seen Hunter Goodman,
Speaker 3: we've seen Ryan Jeffers, Ally Rushman, all those names mentioned.
Speaker 3: But I get the sense that all those big names
Speaker 3: that I mentioned, with the exception of Jeffers is probably
Speaker 3: unlikely the debut unlikely to be moved, so I would
Speaker 3: not expect Alvarez to be moved unless they just get
Speaker 3: blown away here.
Speaker 1: Catcher such a weird trade deadline position. Historically as well,
Speaker 1: you just never see teams move on starting catchers, and
Speaker 1: it's tough for playoff teams to be like, yeah, now
Speaker 1: go learn the whole pitching staff in three weeks. But
Speaker 1: something funny. As we go through all these Mets trade options,
Speaker 1: they weirdly line up super well as targets for some
Speaker 1: of the mets most heated rivals and hated other teams
Speaker 1: by our fans, Like the Phillies are so desperate for
Speaker 1: another trustworthy lefty or a right handed bat in the outfie,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Louis Robert in a second year.
Speaker 3: The Yankees could use.
Speaker 1: A catcher bullpen help, and the Braves are dying for
Speaker 1: not one, but probably two starting pitchers and they have
Speaker 1: the Mets pitching coach for last year, Jeremy Hefner. I'm
Speaker 1: sure wou'd love to work with Clay Holmes again from
Speaker 1: what you know about the past with David Stearns and
Speaker 1: what you're hearing right now, are the Mets actually going
Speaker 1: to open the door for some of these rivals that
Speaker 1: historically the organization hasn't been too keen on trading within
Speaker 1: the past.
Speaker 3: I think David Stearns will with an open mind here
Speaker 3: and I don't think he's gonna shut down any conversation.
Speaker 3: That being said, though, when it comes to dealing with
Speaker 3: the Braves and also Philadelphia, there's got to be an
Speaker 3: indivision tax, like you can't yes, yeah, you can't. Just yeah,
Speaker 3: it can't be like how the other teams operate here
Speaker 3: where it's like you have to get an increased value here.
Speaker 3: So if you're Stearn's, you got to get maybe a
Speaker 3: dollar twenty as compared to a dollar from those teams.
Speaker 3: So I definitely do think it will be having plenty
Speaker 3: of conversations because when it comes to the market, obviously
Speaker 3: I mentioned all the question marks that are that are
Speaker 3: currently here right now. But that being said, though, like
Speaker 3: those are the two teams, the Phillies and Braves, we're
Speaker 3: gonna be among the most motivated teams in the market,
Speaker 3: and possibly could they overpay. Like Dave Dombrowski, he is
Speaker 3: not afraid of moving prospects. If you want somebody, he
Speaker 3: will go out and get it. Like could you imagine,
Speaker 3: like after losing a guy like Brad Keller, you go
Speaker 3: out and get Luke Weaver. I mean, I think that
Speaker 3: makes a ton of sense for them. You can maybe
Speaker 3: Luis Robert Jr. I mean, they're looking for an outfielder.
Speaker 3: Could that end up being a fit there? Again, you
Speaker 3: mentioned Clay Holmes with a brave I think that would
Speaker 3: be a terrific fit. They needed to go go out
Speaker 3: and get a starting pitcher here for sure. So if
Speaker 3: it's Holmes or if it's somebody else, I definitely think
Speaker 3: Atlanta is going to get somebody for sure.
Speaker 2: It does feel like this is going to be the
Speaker 2: classic Dombrowski or where he was like, oh, you're a
Speaker 2: prospect available, Like he's going to do what he's done
Speaker 2: with every organization's ever been to tear down the minor
Speaker 2: leagues to try and get that ring.
Speaker 3: Oh hey, I'll tell you which I love, Like I
Speaker 3: want more executives to be like that. That's one of the
Speaker 3: reasons why I love aj Preller, Like the guy goes
Speaker 3: out if you want somebody, yeah, he'll trade anybody like
Speaker 3: it's like also like the Mason Miller stuff, I just
Speaker 3: I don't see it, but like I don't want to
Speaker 3: go and get distracted here when when it comes to that.
Speaker 3: But like Preller, I love how aggressive he is. De
Speaker 3: Poto super aggressive, Dombrowski is super aggressive, but we have
Speaker 3: more executives like that. Like I don't know, Like I
Speaker 3: don't know if you guys are into football, but I'm
Speaker 3: a diehard Philadelphi Eagles football fan, and I see how
Speaker 3: Howie Roseman. Yeah, dude, how he like he's he will
Speaker 3: trade anything and it's awesome. He's so active and like
Speaker 3: it makes it more fun as a fan. So I
Speaker 3: just wish the other twenty seven gms across ball would be.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Mets fans can say that this
Speaker 1: past offseason David Searns was aggressive. He just probably picked
Speaker 1: the wrong spots for the aggression. And that is kind
Speaker 1: of the game you played. The Bross keeping so good
Speaker 1: at this over the years, and I I would love
Speaker 1: to see another Mason Miller trade just because of what
Speaker 1: he fetched last year and where the Padres are right
Speaker 1: now is an organization and the fact that similar to
Speaker 1: what we've talked about with teams be concerned with the money,
Speaker 1: like it's got three years of team control, like you
Speaker 1: could pull like if you look at if you grab
Speaker 1: the Pirates and you're like, hey, this is this is
Speaker 1: all you need right now to actually get into a
Speaker 1: playoff series and compete with this is alat to your
Speaker 1: last piece. Give us everything you got. Like, I would
Speaker 1: love to see just the leverage be built for these
Speaker 1: small market teams try and see what they can do
Speaker 1: with Mason Miller.
Speaker 3: Oh, I totally agree. Like I think teams are gonna
Speaker 3: be trying here and as they should. Like you imagine,
Speaker 3: like as you said, imagine Mason Miller on the on
Speaker 3: the Pirates, imagining on any other contending YA is probably yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it would be. It would be incredible. And I I
Speaker 3: think people still don't realize just how good Mason Miller is.
Speaker 3: Like he's got an era under one. He's been unbelievable
Speaker 3: this year. And that's another thing with aj Preller too,
Speaker 3: is he likes unique talents. He likes superstar players, and
Speaker 3: obviously you got the expensive guys with Jackson Merrill's, Andrew Bogart's,
Speaker 3: Manny Machado Tatist Junior, like so on and so forth. Miller,
Speaker 3: as you said, he's ConTroll over for three more years
Speaker 3: at a super affordable rate. I just like I'm never
Speaker 3: gonna rule anything out with Aj Preller, like the guy
Speaker 3: will trade any anybody at any time. But I just
Speaker 3: don't see him being in a hurry to move Miller
Speaker 3: unless he's totally blown away. So that's why I'm skeptical.
Speaker 3: It seems like I'm on an island here, so I'm
Speaker 3: kind of I don't know. It's fun, but I feel
Speaker 3: confident in my stance there for sure.
Speaker 2: Until Aj Prelller sells, I'll never believe that he says
Speaker 2: that guy, that guy is ready to try and win
Speaker 2: a World Series every single year.
Speaker 3: There you go. They are only three games out of
Speaker 3: a wild card spot entering today, so I mean they're
Speaker 3: definitely in it, and they don't need to move Miller
Speaker 3: by any means here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be funny to see if they pull that off, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many of the guys in this
Speaker 1: mess roster. I'm sure that's fans would be what's what's
Speaker 1: a nice way to put this? Really really really excited
Speaker 1: to trade like the bad contracts we have in the
Speaker 1: books next season that Mark and I've been talking about
Speaker 1: a lot in the show. Between Jre Polanco and Marcus Simon,
Speaker 1: there seems to be. It's hard to be optimistic about
Speaker 1: either for them as we go to the lengths of
Speaker 1: their contracts with this team, there's basically no way to
Speaker 1: get off those, right, No, I don't figured.
Speaker 3: Out the way, and and that wasn't like obviously both
Speaker 3: Bachette has got his big contract and that's gonna be
Speaker 3: super difficult to move Polanco. I don't see like maybe
Speaker 3: maybe the marriage would want him back, but I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't see that necessarily with that contract there. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I think the Mets are gonna be on the on
Speaker 3: the books for both for all those guys there. And
Speaker 3: also like that, also like they prioritize run prevention in
Speaker 3: the offseason, and then they get Polanco, they put him
Speaker 3: in his body's not familiar with bringing Bichette and put
Speaker 3: him in a new spot. Like That's just it didn't
Speaker 3: seem like it was very well thought out there either.
Speaker 2: What's funny is Bashett's actually been desa a third talking
Speaker 2: about it yesterday. Hory Blanco's only played twenty innings at
Speaker 2: first base for the Mets this year. That alone just
Speaker 2: feels like an insane sentence, Like we thought it was
Speaker 2: a lot higher than that. Yeah, the offseason for the
Speaker 2: Mets this year was a complete disaster and then.
Speaker 3: Oh, it couldn't have gone worse. And like, the thing
Speaker 3: is is, like David Stearns is really smart, Like those
Speaker 3: off season has been an absolute disaster for him. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm still confident he can figure this thing out because
Speaker 3: get like, obviously his back is against the wall, but
Speaker 3: he's got Steve Cohen's support, he's got his pocketbooks. I
Speaker 3: think I think he will figure it out. But boy,
Speaker 3: is he is feeling the eat right now in New
Speaker 3: York for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why there's so much pressure this deadline
Speaker 1: for him to get this right and last deadline again,
Speaker 1: I don't think it was really his fault, but it
Speaker 1: was also a complete disaster.
Speaker 2: All the trades we loved were like, these are such
Speaker 2: great moves.
Speaker 1: But guys like Ryan Helsing and Freddie Perl to show
Speaker 1: up in Queens and forget how to pitch. It's you
Speaker 1: kind of start to wonder something cosmic going on here,
Speaker 1: like why are these not working? He's have worked everywhere else,
Speaker 1: not here. I think the last I specifically want to
Speaker 1: ask you about was just if there was any smoke
Speaker 1: around Devin Williams. No, he's not a three year deal.
Speaker 1: It is relatively afford the bule. We know that so
Speaker 1: many teams want relievers. Everything underlying, just like we said
Speaker 1: last year, still lose good for Devin Williams despite the
Speaker 1: adda Nathan and Grand Slam. So anything around him or
Speaker 1: just too long of a contract, I.
Speaker 3: Would say teams are probably gonna check, but I'd put
Speaker 3: him in the more unlikely category. As of this point,
Speaker 3: I would imagine a Luke Weaver, Clay Holmes, par Alto
Speaker 3: types are much more likely going to be moved. So
Speaker 3: I think Williams is probably gonna be in Queens after
Speaker 3: the deadline here. But again, this could be a case
Speaker 3: where the limited bullpen options, especially the high leverage guys,
Speaker 3: could result in a team trying to get Williams. But
Speaker 3: I'm just not hopeful about that. If I was, you guys,
Speaker 3: are the Mets for in that spot? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think last question here before we let you go,
Speaker 2: are there any unexpected teams or even players on the
Speaker 2: Mets roster that you feel like aren't getting enough attention
Speaker 2: right now that could be interesting at the deadline.
Speaker 3: I would say I think we covered all of them
Speaker 3: because those are the names that are on my list here,
Speaker 3: Like maybe there could be a surprise, but I think
Speaker 3: Luis Robert Jr. Is definitely going to be somebody who's
Speaker 3: going to be asked about a lot, and I would
Speaker 3: not be surprised at all if he's moved. Despite like
Speaker 3: obviously the injuries and the inconsistent performance there from him,
Speaker 3: teams still love him. They believe there's more in the
Speaker 3: tank there, so I think they're gonna have a chance
Speaker 3: of moving him. The pitching guys, though, that's going to
Speaker 3: be the focus for the for the Mets and just
Speaker 3: everyone across baseball. They're pitching both starter and bullpen is
Speaker 3: plenty of desirable, So I think Sternce is gonna be
Speaker 3: plenty busy there for very busy over like the next
Speaker 3: tennish eleven days. Here.
Speaker 1: We were hoping that he said someone was kicking the
Speaker 1: tires on code. I'm saying it, but yes, I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess not for that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Unfortunately I can. I got bad news there,
Speaker 3: so I just let you down. So that's that's expected.
Speaker 2: Robert, Thank you so much for coming on talking some
Speaker 2: Mets trade rumors with us. Let the people at home
Speaker 2: know where they can find you and everything you're working
Speaker 2: on right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I appreciate you boys having me. You can
Speaker 3: find me on Twitter at by Robert Murray, can read
Speaker 3: me on fan side of dot com, and hopefully on
Speaker 3: my Twitter you'll see me break plenty of trades. I got,
Speaker 3: I got, my my phone is blowing up. I've got
Speaker 3: a bunch of text and they need to respond to
Speaker 3: which is always fun. So hopefully we've got something coming
Speaker 3: across the pipeline soon, but again, I think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be closer to next week. Yeah, guys.
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