WEBVTT - Mets Trade Deadline Plans with MLB Insider Robert Murray | 593 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:09.040 What Is Up? 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:11.360 Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.200 Up Podcast. As you can see, we are joined today 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:18.279 by MLB insider Robert Murray, a fan sided. We're gonna 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.040 be doing a little MLB trade deadline talk. The Mets 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:23.760 are gonna be one of the biggest sellers at the deadline, 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.040 and there's nobody better to bring in than Robert. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:27.360 Thank you for joining us. 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:27.960 Appreciate you. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:29.880 First off, house things been It's been a while since 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:30.440 we've had John. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:32.839 No, it's it has been a while, but I appreciate 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.800 you boys having me again. It's it's been relatively quiet, 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.400 although I will say yesterday I finally got the first 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.640 time of the entire deadline where I was walking up 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.240 by a phone call, so that that was always fun. 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.559 Although I was up until I was up at like 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:47.880 one o'clock, did not go back to bed. But as 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.600 of this point, a lot of teams are limbo, so 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:52.800 it's like everyone's asking like, what are you hearing? What 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.120 are you hearing? And basically what everybody's hearing at this 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.320 point is teams are waiting until probably next week to 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.680 determine what direction they go, and then after that all 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:03.720 hell could break loose or it could end of being 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.679 a relatively quiet deadline, and really nobody knows the answer 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:07.640 to that as at this point. 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.679 Definitely, and just the way that the playoffs are expanded now, 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:12.840 in the way that these wildcard spots, especially in the 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.120 American League, team as up for grabs as ever, the 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.200 Red Sox rip off with fifteen in a row put 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:18.920 themselves right back in the race. They were supposed to 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.319 be sellers nationally. The Marlins have now lost nine in 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.160 a row. They look like they were going to be 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.600 buyers now. Who knows where they're at. The Orioles are 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:27.120 staying in it. There's a lot of teams that are 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.319 trapped in the middle, but we know one team that's 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:30.959 not trapped in the middle is the Mets. And we 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.120 do wish that we were coming to you with a 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.280 happier tide things for the trade deadline, But this Mets 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.520 team is going to sell, sell, sell, sell, So I 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.760 think the first place we want to go is a 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:42.520 place I don't want to be this time, Yere, I 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.160 didn't want to be here as a Mets fan in general, 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.119 But there's just so much smoke right now around Francisco. 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:51.160 Lindor to the point where it's gotten to an egregious, absurd, 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.440 ridiculous level. We've spoken about this on our show, but 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.280 is there any actual relative truth whether or not be 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.080 the trade deadline or in the offsea until Lindoor waving 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.400 know trade clause moving on from this money anything. 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:07.200 Yeah, I've checked on this a bunch, and I don't 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.359 think a Lindor trade at this deadline is likely at all. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:13.920 I get the impression it's it's really unlikely, and the 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.240 Mets want to keep him, they want to keep Wan Soto, 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.240 and obviously there's been a bunch of smoke around their 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.400 relationship and whether or not it's it's actually in a 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.720 good place. It seems like it's better, And even Steve 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:24.680 Cohen kind of said the same thing when he was 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.119 on John Hayman's podcast, which is possibly a good sign 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.720 here for the Mets. But in order for them to 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.520 be successful, they need to have a good relationship. They 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.560 need obviously those guys to stay healthy and perform at 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.600 a high level. Same with Bobaschett here as well. I'm 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.840 optimistic that they can figure this out, that they can 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.720 turn it around, but they will not improve from where 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.560 they're at or become like a legitimate playoff team until 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.600 those two can figure it out and perform at the 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.520 levels that they expected because they've invested what three hundred 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.080 and forty one million in Lindor in almost eight hundred 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.720 million in Juan Soto, Like, that's that's all. That's a 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.079 lot of no and you got to making the season here. 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.080 Yeah, we've been talking about how even if there was 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.280 some truth to like Lindor possibly getting moved at the 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.760 trade deadline, now one who's gonna then take his money 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.720 if he's such this undesirable player that you know, people 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.000 on the social media and stuff would like to say, 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.000 And then too, how do the Mets even move forward? 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.680 It just doesn't really make sense for either side. 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.160 A cool play shortstop, who's he actually waving a no 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.480 trade clause for the whole thing seems incredibly complicated right now. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.200 No, it's totally complicated. And like, honestly, I wouldn't be 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.560 surprised if he just was just wanted to be in 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.639 New York if I'm being honest, because it's a great 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:36.760 place for him to be and he elected to be 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.160 there when he's signing that mega deal and he knew 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.240 exactly what he was going to be signing up for. Obviously, 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.040 when it comes to the Mets, there's going to be 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.480 Low's and they're currently going through a low right now. 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:47.520 But I've not gotten the impression at all that he's 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.960 like wanted to be out of New York. So I like, again, 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.040 he controls where he wants to be, and I think 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.240 he wants to be in New York, and I would 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.440 just I would be really surprised if he is moved, 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.040 But I would image there's gonna be plenty of other 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.240 teams that would also want Lindor on their team, but 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.760 would probably require the Mets to pay on some of 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.560 that salary. And I just don't get the impression that's 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.000 just that's a scenario that's even remotely on the forefront 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:12.800 of the Mets' minds. 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:13.000 Here. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.440 Well, good, we got that out of the way. 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.880 We don't need to talk about silly Francisco indoor rumors. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.680 One guy who's almost guaranteed to not be on the 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:24.000 Mets come August fourth, Freddy Peralta. He has been statistically 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.400 one of the worst pitchers in baseball this year. Some way, somehow, 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.640 this has happened despite being really good for like the 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.880 last five years. What can we expect on a return 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.479 from Freddy Peralta. Are teams really scared off by what 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:36.920 he's done so far this season? 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.520 No, I still get the impression is desirable around the league. 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:42.760 And obviously you mentioned the past five years when he 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.840 was in Milwaukee, he was super consistent. He's also one 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:47.760 of the best clubhouse guys in baseball, like I was 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.800 around him when I cover the Brewers and everyone, whether 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.560 it's players, coaches, front off of scouts like player development 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:59.720 like whoever. They love Freddy Peralta. And also too, eight 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.480 milllion dollar contract for this season, obviously it's gonna be 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.760 pro rated, makes him super like desirable for teams, so 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.280 I expect him to be drawing a bunch of interest. 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.800 I think a return for Paralta could end up surprising 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:16.279 some people considering just the overall, just the overall performance 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:17.920 that he's had this year, because it's just not been 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.400 anything close to what he did in Milwaukee. But he 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.520 like I feel very confident that he is going to 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.400 be traded. I think there's gonna be a bunch of 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.359 interest lead widen him, even from teams that could be 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.040 small market big market, mid market like you name it, 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.800 his salary and that performance allows every team to be 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.800 in it. But that being said, I wouldn't expect a 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:36.640 return close to what they ended up getting or what 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.480 they ended up getting to get Paralta. It's not going 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.640 to be like a Jet Williams and a Brandon Sprout 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.880 anything like that. But I do expect them to do 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:44.599 pretty well here. 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.320 Yeah, that's fair on thinking about the money in terms 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:49.960 of peralta. That keeps a lot more teams involved invested. 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:51.800 I think a lot of times as fans forget that 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.080 these pro rated salaries are something, I mean money. Both 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.159 does such a great job of it of describing how 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.240 much money you're willing to accept. That the deadline for 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.080 a small market team, and I think that another player 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.320 who's really at the top of mind for Mets fans 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.200 his trade deadline season, Luke Weaver, that could possibly work 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.119 against his market something we're afraid about because Luke Weaver 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.360 on his twenty one million dollar contract payroll wise was 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.240 nine and a half million this year, has twelve and 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.919 a half million next year. Is that second year of 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.479 his contract non option? Nothing? There a purely guaranteed second 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.000 year of his contract, could that work against Weaver as 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:24.400 a trade candidate this deadline? 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.800 Also, I'll go back to something about par Alta real quick, 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.080 because I was talking about it with an executive recently 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.320 and he ended up mentioning to me that you have 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:37.840 such a better opportunity or better chance if you're an 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:42.120 organization of having ownership approval of adding that salary as 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.320 opposed to a guy like a Trek scoobl because his 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.120 salary is so big, it automatically limits the amount of 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.679 suitors in there. So I'm telling you, I think Paralta, 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.960 despite that performance, is gonna have a super robust market 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.719 here for sure. But going back to Luke Weaver, he 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.120 is I don't think that works against him at all. 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.800 I think that actually helps the Mets in a potential 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.960 return because I think teams are going to really want 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.799 to have some certainty going into next year just considering 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.920 the overall CBA situation. And it also too like they 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.080 signed him to that two year contract in the winter. 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.720 It's looked that's been one of the very rare moves 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.360 that's actually worked out far. Like props to David Stearns 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.520 for that, and like that extra year could end up 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.040 getting them much more in return for him as well. 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:23.960 And you look at the rest of the market here, 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.680 like you have our oldest chabin probably unlikely to go 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.200 Mason Miller. There's been a bunch of smoke about that. 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.080 It seems like I'm on an islander where I think 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.680 that's unlikely. I don't think he's going to be traded 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.920 unless some team like Knox Ajproler socks off, which I 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.080 guess you can never really rule that out. So is 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.360 it possible that Luke Weaver would end up being the 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.720 best reliever potentially available, So then in that case you 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.720 can end up having a team blow you away with 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.960 an offer. And also too, like every contending team is 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.800 looking for high leverage bullpen like it's crazy, So the 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:54.560 Mets could be in a position there to capitalize on 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:55.240 Weaver for sure. 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.600 Yeah, that's something to note. Like with Peralta, how you 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.640 mentioned before, Robert the money being so cheap. Even like 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:03.800 us me and James when we've talked about we've probably 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.640 missed on the fact that because that contract's gonna be 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.480 so affordable for every team of the deadline, there actually 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.880 shouldn't be a single team that wouldn't be interested in 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.200 bringing him in, and especially when you talk about even 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.040 just starting pitcher versus reliever like we would for Luke Weaver. 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:18.680 That's a nice rhyme right there. 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.120 Like he's just he's got more value to teams. He's 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.400 gonna bring back probably a pretty nice haul for the Mets, 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.800 which would be shocking based on how we've seen him perform, 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.320 especially compared to how Luke Weaver's performed for the Mets 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:31.680 this year. 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.040 No, it's it's crazy, but it's it's such an opportunity 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.040 where the Mets. And also like it's not like there's 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:38.440 a bunch of guys that are gonna be on this 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.480 market here either, so like they just have such an 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.559 opportunity to be here to really cash in. So obviously, 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.400 like this season's gone to absolute pooh pooh, Like I 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.120 mean that's by a technical baseball term right there. 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.479 It's gone to shit fair right yeah. 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.880 Yeah, But it's like they can take advantage of this thing. 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.079 They can add people who are close to major league ready, 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:58.719 and then they can be in a better position to 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.760 possibly compete next year. But I think David Stearns has 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.320 to take a pretty long look in the mirror here 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.920 and see exactly how he can approve whether it's like, 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.840 obviously he let go of a lot of that core 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.959 that he had brought in some new guys and it 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.840 took a long time for them to gel. But do 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:15.719 you change how you view like the injury risk when 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.520 it comes to free agency through trade, Like, well, there's 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.080 a bunch of different things that I think he needs 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.440 to look at because what the season's become is just 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.760 simply not good enough at all. I have one more 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:25.520 thing real quick. 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:27.880 Do we you mentioned like that you think most teams 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.880 are probably gonna start to evaluate whether they either buy 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.640 or sell in the next week or so, like next week, 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.480 would the Mets have sort of like an advantage of 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.880 trying to move off from these guys earlier and set 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.440 the market or you think that they're going to be 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:42.320 patient to and wait. 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:45.920 That's a great question because I've asked teams that are 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.640 kind of in a similar situation to the Mets, where 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.960 they like are definitive buyers or definitive sellers, I should say, 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:56.120 And it seems like they're just teams currently are just 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.199 kind of nibbling and seeing exactly what's on the market's 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:00.640 what it's going to take. 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But 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.720 just the huge cost for starting pitchers last year again, 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.280 as pertains to Freddie pral To and Clay Holmes, possibly 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.959 as he comes back from injury, you see possibly getting 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.800 similar exorbitant prices like even like a Shane Beeper going 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.679 with like a fringe top bunch of prospects last year 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.960 when he hadn't pitched in a year. Is it still 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.480 very starting pitcher crazed and focused. 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.120 Yeah, I would definitely say that's accurate. It's gonna be 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.560 very hefty, like the prices here, and we also might 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.160 have some different guys come on in the market here 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.120 as well. Obviously we lost Sunny Gray, but we might 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.240 have like a Kevin Gosman type or a Trevor Rodgers 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:11.360 or I mean some different names that are going to 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.720 be possibly emerging here in the coming days as well. 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.120 So I think the prices are going to be very high. 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.680 I think there's gonna be teams, especially the Mets, like 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.640 to keep it Mets focused, like Clay Holmes, like they 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.600 don't have to move him, They're going to try to 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.040 extend him. But from what I'm told, it's unlikely obviously 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:29.600 that can change. But they can be in a real 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:33.520 position here to capitalize on both. And also like it's 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:35.720 not like out of the realm of possibilities that they 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.959 can trade these guys and then possibly bring them back 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.600 like we've seen that scenarios happen before. And Paralta has 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.880 a really good relationship with David Stearns. He's acquired him 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:45.800 twice and I don't know if the Mets would be 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.960 in a hurry to bring him back. I don't know 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.760 Mets fans wouldn't necessarily like that concerning performance, but like 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.520 it's possible money talks when it comes to free agency. 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.480 So like I would imagine you boys would probably prefer 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.280 to have Clay Holmes come back in for agency. Maybe 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.400 maybe they can end up trading him and then bringing 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.120 him back, who knows. I think that should be something 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:05.960 we should we should consider here for sure. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.319 I mean i'd take both back. It's a great time 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:09.920 to buy a loan for they prolative. Was he asking 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:11.640 for like one hundred and eighty million a few months ago? 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.320 We're not getting that anymore. 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.200 Than Yeah, I will say, I think that was a 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:20.240 bad report. Yeah that's too Yeah, that was yeah. I 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.160 saw that number, and I'm like, yeah, I was, I 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:24.079 didn't think that was right. 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:26.360 No, it's also like that. I think that's kind of 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.760 helped him be vilified a little bit by Mets fans 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.600 as well. You start to pitch mediocrely to start your 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.760 career with the team, then a rumor leaks out, whether 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.240 it be true or not, to ask for a monster 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.240 extension and then you completely shit the bed, Like now 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.280 you're really Mets fans can't wait to watch that door 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.040 hit you on the way. Don't give us an excuse 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:42.760 to get mad at you. 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.720 Yeah, Mets fans, they can get mad. And I didn't 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:47.680 learned something to. 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.760 These Mets fans were now even mad about the possibility 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.000 of trading Clay homes just because he's become such a 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.440 fan favorite. And he's a weird case just not pitching 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.840 since late may coming off like a fair line fracture 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.959 in his leg. It's weird. But do you do you 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:02.880 still get the sense that he has a robust mark as. 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.520 Well, super robust. He is going to have a ton 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.960 of interest. And I believe he's throwing a rehabs out 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.760 in today at three innings. Is that right? My days 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.079 are all scripted. I wasn't sure if today was Thursday, Tuesday, 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.360 or Friday or whatever it was. But like I can 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.880 confidently say there are going to be an absolute ton 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.520 of scouts there, Like people are going to be evaluating 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.480 that trying to see if he's going to look like 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.840 a pre injury form, if his stuff is crisp, if 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:26.520 he looks like he's one hundred percent and if that 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.840 is the case, and maybe teams can see him again 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.880 before obviously the trade deadline and everything, but I would 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.400 imagine he's going to have a very active market. Like 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.520 the Mets, they were one of the teams that wanted 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:42.640 to convert him to the rotation after being in the bullpen, 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.800 and that's looked like an absolutely masterful move by that organization. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.600 So I give Stern's credit. Like obviously it's like it's 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.680 easy to beat him while they're down, but he has 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.560 made some good moves in between Luke Weaver and then 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.680 also Clay Holmes, like those two have panned out and 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.560 those two could really stockpile their farm system and have 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:00.000 him better prepare for next year as well. 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.680 Yeah, no, I mean for every Clay Homes and Luke Weaver. 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.200 We remember the other games that. 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.320 It's been such a roller coaster with David Stearns. 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.520 Didn't expect it like this the bullpend though, Mets have 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.120 so many pieces besides Luke Weaver that are also definitely 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.320 going to be on the move. Aj Minter Brooks, Raley 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.680 kind of being a part of that second tier of 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.000 left handed relievers where you're not a Josh hater, rolled 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.840 as Chapman type, but you're still very capable yet more, 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:26.400 ahone very capable, good baseball player. Is their market super 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.800 active right now? And what could Mets fans maybe expect 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:29.320 back for them? 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.520 Yeah, those two are definitely going to be drawing interests, 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.640 and I'm pretty confident they've already been drawing interest as 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.720 team's trying to evaluate who is going to exactly be 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.640 out there. And obviously you can't trade everyone. I mean 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.240 maybe you could, I don't know, but I think both 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.040 of those guys are super desirable because teams are always 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.440 looking for left handed relievers here, and if you can 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.800 end up having those two guys, veteran guys who have 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:52.960 performed at the major league level, I think that's something 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:54.960 that's super valuable there. And I'm glad you did mention 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:59.080 Josh Hater. This is a name that I'm not, like 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.400 totally convinced he's not going to be moved, Like I 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.800 think there's a chance, Like here's okay, So here's my logic. 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.240 Is the Houston Astros in the offseason they were trying 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.360 to shed a bunch of payroll. Hater is signed for 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.440 nineteen million dollars. He's signed for two more years nineteen 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.280 million per year, I should say, could they possibly move 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:21.200 a gully Hater and then use that money saved and 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.480 to throw it back into the roster in a different way? 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.840 I like, again like, that's my own speculation. It's not 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.040 something that I've heard, but I think it sounds like 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.360 something that they could try to do. And the Brewers 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:33.040 even tried doing that when they moved Hater in the 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.560 first place. They tried for a couple of different guys. 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:37.960 Obviously that failed and they missed the postseason. So there 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.840 is risk, but I think Houston should and probably will 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.240 at least consider that. But I would imagine the Mets 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.000 are gonna be in a really good position here where 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:46.800 they can, like with they're both with both of those 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:48.720 left handed guys, to take advantage here. 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.560 For sure, we were kind of wondering about something similar 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.040 to what you just said about the Astros and hay 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.800 the whereas this Mets team seems like they're motivated to 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.560 still compete at a high level in twenty twenty seven. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:04.160 So with that, seeing that we actually do have payroll flexibility, 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:05.919 especially if we move on some of these guys for 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.080 the rest of the season, is there a world where 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.119 the Mets do try to actually kind of make a 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.920 measured by take on pictures with team control like Jose Soriano, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:18.119 Redetmers floating around or a couple other astros corner infield 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.280