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Speaker 1: Guess what decision we're about to make.

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Speaker 2: Horrible decision.

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Speaker 3: May the fifth, we are pulling.

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Speaker 1: Up to London, y'all's the day you need to block

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Speaker 4: Europe, wherever you at, it's your chance. That's right.

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Speaker 3: We're super excited to be bringing the last portion of

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Speaker 3: the Climax tour to London. If you came to our

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Speaker 3: show last year, this will be a completely different show.

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Speaker 4: Wilder, more fun. Well, I did get on top of

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Speaker 3: And there was a woman who stapled money to her

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Speaker 4: But we gotta step it up to London.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna step it up, So head on over to

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Speaker 3: hohorhive dot com and get your tickets now. Hey guys,

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Speaker 3: welcome to another episode of Horrible Decisions. Sorry, I have

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Speaker 3: to work on I have a day later. Anyway, I'm

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Speaker 3: your girl man aka. They had the sagon AKA deb

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Speaker 3: the first thing. I mean just no, I am down

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Speaker 3: to sick on the first day. So are you really

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Speaker 3: If the vibe is there, yeah, you.

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Speaker 4: Go through so many phases. I mean bitch I because

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Speaker 4: let us play back. You're ready a few months ago?

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Speaker 2: Ready, like I am you ready? Yeah? Who I am

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Speaker 2: today is not who I was yesterday?

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Speaker 4: Who beat the bar?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Hello, going to introduces.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not I'm weazy many four And we have

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Speaker 4: It was almost one.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 4: Lovely ladies in the building.

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Speaker 2: That's right, y'all.

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Speaker 3: We have Daniell Aquarda and Dominique Sova I met last

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Speaker 3: summer because they are also the stars, well two of

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Speaker 3: this of Cocomo City, which is a documentary of the

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Speaker 3: lives of four black trans sex workers and just their lives.

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Speaker 2: They have a lot of other i would say supporting.

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Speaker 3: Uh people that are a part of the documentary as well,

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Speaker 2: But it's just it's just get.

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Speaker 1: I've been really excited to see this doc by the way,

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Speaker 1: because and it's just done from high level, like because

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Speaker 1: my favorite documentary is to watch when I was younger

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Speaker 4: And obviously there's a dark side to sex work, as

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Speaker 1: But when I saw your dark and again, I didn't

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Speaker 6: No, for sure, I haven't seen hookers on Point, but

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Speaker 6: Point no check out.

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Speaker 1: But you know, they only showed like drug addicts. They

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't see. I didn't do drugs or know

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Speaker 4: Yeah? What is the point where area is?

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Speaker 2: Damn, I used to go to jazz Jazz Bitch's point.

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Speaker 2: They got all the shop.

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Speaker 3: And when I lived in park Chester, Okay, on the blot,

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Speaker 3: So being a part of Cocomo City, why why tell

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Speaker 7: I feel like Cocomo City was a chance for me

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Speaker 6: So what do you mean you have a daddy, a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, daddy and the name A couple of daddy's

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Speaker 6: You know, well, I was in relationships and got rings

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Speaker 1: Something really curious about Do you think that there's a

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Speaker 7: To find y'all, just trans women in general, because they're

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean, You're being fetishized because the

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Speaker 7: They're selling you a dream, they're leaving you high end.

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Speaker 7: There's no exchange. At the end of the day, you

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Speaker 7: I'm going to use this to survive.

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Speaker 7: This is what I have, This is all I have

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Speaker 4: How old are about it, I'm curious because twenty eight

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Speaker 2: I know, she looked the fuck good.

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Speaker 7: I'm just happy to say I am forty five and alive.

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Speaker 7: I know that, Okay, amazing, I'm forty five and alive,

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Speaker 6: And what about you, well, if you actually are we

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Speaker 2: I feel pre historic.

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Speaker 6: I've been through, but I guess in human every day years.

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Speaker 1: When meeting a trans woman that is, you know, got

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Speaker 6: So okay, so I came out fairly young, so I

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Speaker 6: I guess that young queen that older queens kind of

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Speaker 4: You don't need the sponsor for.

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Speaker 3: If you guys actually look into it, it's a city

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Speaker 4: What it was long talk.

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Speaker 1: What do women do? The dries trans women crazy?

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Speaker 6: I mean just the thought that because we're trans women,

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Speaker 7: Tell me, I feel the thing that I don't like

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Speaker 7: Like I don't know why you're talking to them.

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Speaker 1: Like people find that women are the ones who are

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Speaker 7: What it is is they create shame for the men. Okay,

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Speaker 4: And we have to stop this people.

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Speaker 7: We just need to let people be who they are

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Speaker 6: Only because I feel like to a certain extent where

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Speaker 2: So it's like I don't believe that, No, I don't care.

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Speaker 4: Really really think girls have a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not gay. I don't really don't care.

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Speaker 8: Nobody gotta say it because me personally, like if anybody

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Speaker 8: Like for me, I don't think I'm gad or like

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, yeah, this is this is their conversations.

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Speaker 6: I feel like that might be yes for some men,

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Speaker 6: how does it feel to like be out and be queer?

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Speaker 6: He doesn't identify as queer, like he identifies as a

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Speaker 3: Does they bother you though? That there is an offense?

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Speaker 3: And I know a lot of people just hate the

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Speaker 4: Going on, But.

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Speaker 3: Your partner knowing that you identify within the community.

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Speaker 2: Well, some days I identify within the community.

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Speaker 3: We all identified with it, like because there's all the

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Speaker 3: like they all identified.

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Speaker 3: I guess for other people in their political correctness, I

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Speaker 3: But what I know is if you have the titty

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Speaker 3: wherever you fall. It won't work for me. Okay, but

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Speaker 7: Well, now I'm I'm post operative, and I feel way

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Speaker 7: I feel like I don't want to fit in the

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Speaker 7: binary of what people want to put me in the

442
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Speaker 7: box because I have made my own self. I took

443
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Speaker 7: myself on this own journey. I medically did what I

444
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Speaker 7: had to do to feel complete in my skin, so

445
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Speaker 7: I don't need anybody's labels to find me. Yes, I'm

446
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Speaker 7: presenting as a female. I am pen sexual. I'm attracted

447
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Speaker 7: to people and energies.

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Speaker 4: You know.

449
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Speaker 7: I'm attracted to brains. I'm attracted to you know, I

450
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Speaker 7: don't I'm attracted to whoever is a person. At the

451
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Speaker 7: end of the day, I don't have labels. I don't

452
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Speaker 7: have any judgment. I'm open because I'm comfortable in my

453
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Speaker 7: skin and I can I know who I am and

454
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Speaker 7: I know what I bring.

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Speaker 4: To the table.

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Speaker 3: So how long did that take you? It took a

457
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Speaker 3: long time. Shout out to you. You were going through

458
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Speaker 3: that journey as well on Cocomo City.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Are you comfortable talking about a little bit about your

461
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Speaker 1: process and your motions duringey?

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Speaker 2: Of course?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I have a I love that you asked.

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Speaker 3: That because we've had conversations where sometimes you feel like

465
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Speaker 3: you don't know what to ask because it's genital. But

466
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Speaker 3: it is also a right. It is offensive and like

467
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Speaker 3: what you got.

468
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Speaker 4: Even on a podcast that is too much.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm lokey over your gag and talk about.

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Speaker 7: I may they don't seen my other in the comosa,

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Speaker 7: so it's like they was.

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Speaker 2: A fully functioning.

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Speaker 7: I'm about the ask question that you didn't expect.

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Speaker 4: Did you need to have a last moment with your peanut?

475
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Speaker 4: Of course? And in that last moment, was there like

476
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Speaker 4: things you felt like you needed to get out?

477
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Speaker 5: And what were those things? Because I feel like it's

478
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Speaker 5: like I had to, like, you know, have my organized

479
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Speaker 5: scored on the wall one time. Had I had to

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Speaker 5: mid o trade. I had to trade some ass, I

481
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Speaker 5: had to penetrate some vagina. I had to do what

482
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Speaker 5: I had to do. And then I was like, I

483
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Speaker 5: put it all on the Cocomo City. I did another

484
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Speaker 5: magazine Come Call Richardson where I was fully nude, and

485
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Speaker 5: then I was like, okay, I did every I.

486
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Speaker 7: Did porn for twenty years. I said, I think I'm

487
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Speaker 7: done here. Okay, cocker right on up.

488
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Speaker 1: And when when going through it, because I have a

489
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Speaker 1: trans friend that literally deleted socials, she was like really

490
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Speaker 1: going through it and she's not like an influencer.

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Speaker 4: I know most people know me. I hope you's all

492
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Speaker 4: coolist shit. It's not.

493
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Speaker 1: But another friend of mine who's like, girl, I can't

494
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Speaker 1: believe I don't have this nigger pay for the shit.

495
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Speaker 1: And now I don't know if I'm doing the right thing.

496
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Speaker 1: And I'm curious, like how long were you thinking about

497
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Speaker 1: it and what got you there?

498
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Speaker 7: So I've always thought had the thought of it. I

499
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Speaker 7: always wanted to have surgery, but like survival had me,

500
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Speaker 7: you know, into sex work, and I got comfortable in it,

501
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Speaker 7: and I was thriving and I made a name for myself.

502
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Speaker 7: So I said, Okay, I can maintain this. But then

503
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Speaker 7: after a while, like the dysphoria started to kick in,

504
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Speaker 7: and it was it didn't connect.

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Speaker 4: But in sex work it's better to be pre op before.

506
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah it is. And so I was more like,

507
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Speaker 7: you can you make so much money? Yeah? And I

508
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Speaker 7: got this point. I'm like directing, I'm shooting, I'm like starring.

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Speaker 7: I'm moif go to be a top two though.

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Speaker 4: Oh wait, oh wait wait wait wait that's interesting too.

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Speaker 2: Yeahs.

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Speaker 7: In terms of sex work, for the most money is

513
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Speaker 7: predominantly yes, they want you to top, top, top top.

514
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Speaker 6: You could be pre up and be a bottom and

515
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Speaker 6: be broke boots because you're not swinging to day.

516
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Speaker 7: Want you to top for all day and night. That's

517
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Speaker 7: what like my specialty, which is totally the opposite of

518
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Speaker 7: who I am in my personal life. But you gotta

519
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Speaker 7: you know, you gotta do what you gotta do.

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Speaker 2: And I ain't gonna hold you. I'm probably someone helping.

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Speaker 2: That be the case. All the girlies I follow on

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Speaker 2: OnlyFans bottoms take it.

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Speaker 1: I don't you know what it is because I do.

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Speaker 1: And as someone that's like strapped up with my ex

525
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Speaker 1: and ship like for some reason, I don't like seeing

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Speaker 1: women beings hugged.

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Speaker 4: Well, clearly I'm pegged this down here.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I mean my Dick, I can't feel ship.

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Speaker 3: It, don't squirt out it, don't do none of the

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Speaker 3: cool ship that I don't really like about it, Dick,

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Speaker 3: So I'll just bel.

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Speaker 4: I will do it. But no.

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Speaker 1: But so for me, I think it's really getting to see,

534
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Speaker 1: especially the moaning to write, because you're looking at something

535
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Speaker 1: different that's not necessarily like you, but it's womanly and

536
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Speaker 1: beautiful most of the time. Especially the website what is

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Speaker 1: it dream Training?

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Speaker 4: They define us.

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Speaker 3: Well one moment actually I just want to run off,

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Speaker 3: just just real quick.

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Speaker 2: These are the ones I support.

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Speaker 3: UH on only Fans, So the Shaye Barbie Beautiful only one,

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Speaker 3: ts Kendle and if you beat with any of these,

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Speaker 3: we could beleep the name. Sorry, uh I finished it.

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Speaker 3: My favorite is Rikaya or ts Paris. We had Paris

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Speaker 3: on right and big Bugatti.

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Speaker 2: No, we have Paris on.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, oh you're thinking of Jamie Paris, Jamie pars Yeah,

549
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Speaker 1: no Paris.

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Speaker 4: You need to get into Vanil. You know Vanil?

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Speaker 7: No set Okay, I'm shooting her actually tomorrow. B A

552
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Speaker 7: N N I A L L. I'm actually directing her

553
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Speaker 7: tomorrow for Evil Angel. She's like a black, beautiful, big

554
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Speaker 7: girl and she puts it down.

555
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Speaker 3: Can I ask that question, because that's what I see

556
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Speaker 3: is the most difference in in heterosexual porn, everybody's hanging right,

557
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Speaker 3: and in the trans women porn specifically, they be sometimes

558
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Speaker 3: real little.

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Speaker 4: Is there a difference in how is that from hormones? Okay?

560
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Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: Now only because.

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Speaker 7: After after twenty years on hormones, there's no I mean,

563
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Speaker 7: because that looks like I know.

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Speaker 3: A girl that has been on hormones for twenty years,

565
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Speaker 3: she's hanging hello.

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Speaker 7: So I mean, I guess it's like the Chinas. They're

567
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Speaker 7: all different.

568
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Speaker 2: They are all Some are.

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Speaker 4: Big, some are little, some starting off big.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 4: Okay, now this question is crazy but I gotta know. Shoot,

572
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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. She is so excited to challenge.

573
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Speaker 4: Okay for audition.

574
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Speaker 1: When I got my titties done, I saw five titties

575
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Speaker 1: and I showed them to doctor, like, these are titties

576
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Speaker 1: I want.

577
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Speaker 4: Did you the pussy you wanted?

578
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Speaker 2: No? Actually I didn't. I didn't.

579
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Speaker 1: I'm serious, not thinking to myself if you know people

580
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Speaker 1: are with you pre I was like, you look how.

581
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Speaker 4: Hard you were.

582
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Speaker 1: It's like, well, what if I'm not as impressive on

583
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Speaker 1: the other side.

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Speaker 7: That was, and that was the big gamble that I

585
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 7: had to take. I literally felt when I had surgery.

586
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 7: I jumped off of cliff because it was my safety

587
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Speaker 7: net was having a penis, Like, I know what a penis.

588
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 7: I can go anywhere and make money as a post stop.

589
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Speaker 4: You know.

590
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 7: I had to be more creative, and luckily I had

591
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 7: opportunities arise. But yeah, I was just like, Okay, I

592
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 7: don't know what it's gonna look like. I don't know

593
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Speaker 7: if it's gonna work, I don't know how it's gonna feel,

594
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 7: but I know this is what I've dreamed of my

595
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 7: whole life, and I'm ready to whatever comes with it.

596
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Speaker 4: How hard was it were you, Because I mean I

597
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Speaker 4: heard catheter, Like.

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, girl, it was like, honestly the worst

599
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Speaker 7: two months of my life. But to two and a

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Speaker 7: half years two yeah, two years later. Yeah, you can't,

601
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Speaker 7: like you literally cannot leave the house. I was talking

602
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Speaker 7: about it the other day. Okay, just imagine this. You

603
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Speaker 7: have surgery. Okay, you have surgery. They cut you out,

604
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Speaker 7: they turn you out, you have stitches everywhere, and you're

605
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Speaker 7: in the hospital for three I think you're in the

606
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Speaker 7: hospital for five days. Right after you get out of

607
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Speaker 7: the hospital, they take the packing and everything.

608
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Speaker 2: You with your.

609
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Speaker 7: Whole open wound with stitches and blood and everything, have

610
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Speaker 7: to dilate with this plastic raw that's hard as fuck

611
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Speaker 7: for fifteen minutes, four times a day. Imagine the psychological

612
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 7: of that. Like I literally disconnected from my body for

613
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Speaker 7: six months. I'm not even gonna hold you.

614
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Speaker 2: I could.

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Speaker 7: I was not here. I was, you know, doing everything

616
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Speaker 7: that I had to do, but I wasn't in my

617
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 7: body because I was shook. I saw that the first time.

618
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Speaker 7: When I first saw that and the stitches and the blood,

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Speaker 7: I checked out. I was like, oh my god, what

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Speaker 7: is this.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 7: It did not look cute. My girlfriend's like, yeah, it's

623
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Speaker 7: got to be cute. I'm like, what is this?

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Speaker 2: What is this?

625
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Speaker 7: So it took me like six months to like, did

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Speaker 7: you mean on women with that were cis gender? No,

627
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Speaker 7: it wasn't a friends of mine that had sartain before.

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Speaker 4: Can I ask you.

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Speaker 2: Last inappropriate question? Promised last one?

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Speaker 4: No, last two.

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Speaker 2: Do you orgasm differently? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Girl?

633
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Speaker 4: Do you orgasm like a like a woman?

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Speaker 7: Are you orgasm like orgasm like you know, like five

635
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Speaker 7: ten minutes organism?

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Speaker 4: Are you getting wet? Because I hear that, I get

637
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Speaker 4: what is it?

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Speaker 7: I guess it's like the I don't know, like the

639
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Speaker 7: whatever fluid that you would produce that pre comes.

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Speaker 4: One of my.

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Speaker 1: Friends recently had sex with a woman in Thailand, and

642
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Speaker 1: he said in the morning she asked him if he'd

643
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Speaker 1: ever had sex with a trans girl, and he said,

644
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Speaker 1: My reaction was super chill. I was like, no, she said.

645
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Speaker 1: He said, why, she's like, you know that storism here,

646
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Speaker 1: he said.

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Speaker 4: I started looking at her.

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Speaker 3: So she she was five eleven, which is pretty tall

649
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Speaker 3: for a woman. It's pretty tall for Thailand. This air

650
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Speaker 3: about it, but.

651
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Speaker 4: And I'm like, babe, I don't think a trans pussy

652
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Speaker 4: can't get wet. And he's like, wow, are you sure

653
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Speaker 4: it was really wet?

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Speaker 7: And I was like, oh yeah, they have techniques that

655
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Speaker 7: they use, like your parts of your colon that like

656
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Speaker 7: stay wet. But then there's like it's complications because there's

657
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Speaker 7: like a little bit smelly, but it lubricates naturally and

658
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Speaker 7: the way and the way, yeah, you prepare before and

659
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Speaker 7: also if you're turned on for some reason, you get wet.

660
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Speaker 7: I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 4: Good shit, good.

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Speaker 2: Shit, Yes, that's good shit. Now.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to get back to sex work real quick

664
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: because our vanilla shit. There was something that went viral

665
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, this is b sand.

666
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk about smells since you just brought

667
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: up smells.

668
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: And this one actually led to a text message thread

669
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: this person tweeted, so I link with this dude, and

670
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: when it was time to do the do he smelled

671
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: funny down there. I don't know if I worded this

672
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: wrong or what, but considering he's twenty five, I definitely

673
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: expected him to take the constructive criticism better.

674
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: Pretty much.

675
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: This is how it read. Not trying to be rude

676
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 3: or nothing, but definitely needed to shower. Hold on you

677
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: saying I stink? She said, stick is not the word.

678
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: He said, watch your mouth. You try, And she said,

679
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: but I could tell you didn't shower. You want me

680
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: to lie to you. If you felt like I needed

681
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: a shower, I would want you to tell me. You

682
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: don't have to be offended. You didn't stink, but you

683
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: need a shower. You've been at work all day and

684
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: I could tell, he said, I don't know what you're

685
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: talking about. Definitely showered. You just run in your mouth,

686
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: but you enjoy the rest of your night. Or you

687
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: got me confused with another dirty dick nigga? You fucking

688
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: that was Dan Yella?

689
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: Tell me right now, one out of ten, how many

690
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: of the clients be funking a boody?

691
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: Ah not no booty. I'm not a toperd.

692
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 6: You're not at all. Well, I would say, I don't know.

693
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 6: I don't have those type of dates. I mean, I've

694
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 6: had a young date that probably smells like that.

695
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: Did you tell them, like what is the conversation? How well?

696
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 6: I would see, I'll probably be nice about it about

697
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 6: it because I would just like, hey, baby, let's go

698
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 6: take a shower, Like I just want to, but then

699
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 6: I would also want to tip because you use my shower,

700
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 6: so that.

701
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: Way you could ask for a tip myself is extensive. No, damn,

702
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: this is not the hotel baby.

703
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 7: You know, you know how I used to turn it

704
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 7: in Europe and London and I'm Germany iron.

705
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: And those day bodies, this is what they.

706
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 7: Cheese the foreskin like. They would come in and then

707
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 7: you would.

708
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 4: Just you're not.

709
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: Baby.

710
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 7: I would be like I would meet the greet them

711
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 7: at the door and my little outfits.

712
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: I would say, hi, baby, how are you? My god

713
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 2: great great.

714
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 7: Money in and I will walk them right to the

715
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 7: shower before anything.

716
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 4: So you don't even know. I don't care.

717
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 7: You got to get in that shower before you because

718
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 7: I already know it's giving because you have you know.

719
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 4: And you men just because you want to circumcised, you need.

720
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 7: And you men are not clean, so I need you

721
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 7: to take a shower before anything.

722
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: And they would all get into.

723
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 4: Wait overseas, was that just overseas or is that.

724
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 2: It was in general?

725
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 7: Because I'm wondering more overseas because they it was the

726
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 7: uncircumciseness and the pungentness of.

727
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: The was a lot. It was a lot, but wait.

728
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 6: You don't charge more because for me it's like so

729
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 6: for me, I didn't mind the itemization and for real though,

730
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 6: because it's like I'm okay too, and I'm actually happy

731
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 6: when they come and eat the shower because that takes

732
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 6: up the time.

733
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

734
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 7: I don't answear tip because then by the time they

735
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 7: do all that, I do that, So you're.

736
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 3: Not even gonna get so I guess it's.

737
00:34:59,080 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 4: Because you do.

738
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want you to get the full spot of

739
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 3: treatment though, no shade in my bathroom because I need

740
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 3: you to really stay there.

741
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: So like I'm going to break out the there's an

742
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 2: hourly f no for real, Oh damn, that's the only

743
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: way you came in.

744
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 4: Can you tell me? And a deposit have to happen

745
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 4: an ideal.

746
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: Client like ooh, start to end for the girls listening,

747
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: because I remember once when I went on a what's your.

748
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: Price date and I was literally like, when is he

749
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 4: gonna pay me?

750
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 5: Oh?

751
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: Oh, I did it, and I was like really scared.

752
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: When I was young, I was just finding sites to

753
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: make some cash on and I remember thinking like WHOA

754
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: like is it?

755
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 4: Because he that I liked him? Like I don't get it.

756
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 6: That's the thing though, too, that's very real that you

757
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 6: can lose a date if he feels like you like

758
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 6: him too much.

759
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: Oh I never now for real, but I mean I have.

760
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 3: I had a date and I was so mad because

761
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: he told me right like when we first met, he

762
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want a girl who falls for me,

763
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 3: like this has to be transactioning, like you need to

764
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 3: come in and handle my needs and get your money

765
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 3: and just go.

766
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: But the type of guy he was, it was hard

767
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: not to fall for him.

768
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: Like for me, he was my Christian gray, like he

769
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 3: was like very young, light eyes, body for days and

770
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: the only thing that was mixed it he did want

771
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: to get taped, and I didn't live for that because

772
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 3: like I felt soaked every time I saw him, and

773
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 3: it was like this is ideal.

774
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 6: You look good, you're young, and it's a fab coin.

775
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 6: No shade, because I'm not going up in nobody house

776
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 6: for nothing less. Yeah, but it's like for me, it

777
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 6: was like I got emotionally attached and then it was

778
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 6: like okay, now I'm late. I got a sickening coin

779
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 6: and the day used to get me strung out. No shade,

780
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 6: so to the girls don't do drugs, but today it

781
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 6: is not it. You're gonna lose your tip.

782
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 4: Girl, no shade, order, don't due. So he was cuddling,

783
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 4: you said, I used to lay.

784
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 6: Up, Yeah, cuddle down the views. It was literally for me,

785
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 6: it was everything got no shade. This person was so

786
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 6: fab that recently I guess after he's are giving the

787
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 6: girl so much coin he became the person pulling coins

788
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 6: and sex worker because he was literally on the shape

789
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 6: room for marrying a.

790
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: Second in person.

791
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 6: But I also want him to know if you come

792
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 6: a Chris, is you owe me a tip for even

793
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 6: turning it like that?

794
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: After? Like, how's the date that it turned into uself?

795
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: So let me ask you because this is actually something

796
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 3: I experienced in in whole friendships. I like to call

797
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: like when I would let my homegirls know that a

798
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: nigga was a super easy trick, or he the sex

799
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 3: was good, he was fun, there was a lot of money.

800
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: My friends would then go after those niggas and he's

801
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 3: for everybody. So you can't really be mad even though,

802
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 3: did you get do you ever find yourself getting mad

803
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: for maybe over sharing how how fun a trick is?

804
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: And then people that you know.

805
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 6: Now, oh yeah, I definitely have cut a girlfriend off

806
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 6: about that, because so I used to have a client

807
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 6: and he was iconic for what my set was, which

808
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 6: is you didn't have to upset.

809
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: He gave you a couple of stacks and so.

810
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 6: You know, and literally any girl, I mean, like, if

811
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 6: I'm out and about, I'm like, oh, bitch, I'm outside.

812
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: We outside tonight, he's here.

813
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: So but I didn't like the facts, so I leave,

814
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 3: right and we had all just hung out, we all

815
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 3: got our pieces. But while I'm away, I noticed that

816
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, he's following her, and she's following him.

817
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: See what was wrong for me was that you that

818
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: she followed him back, right, Like, this is a trick,

819
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: so he's always going to be messy. But as your girlfriend,

820
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: like for you to go follow my trick, It's like, no, bitch,

821
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: this was never your ditch, right Like, this was my

822
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: date and whenever I'm ready to bring you in, then

823
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: you come.

824
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 2: In this.

825
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: And she literally, so I'm the mutual with who they followed, right,

826
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: some niggas proper bottles whatever, and literally it's her trick.

827
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: She saw what happened, She called me, and she said,

828
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: send me a nigga that she likes. I said, no, bitch,

829
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: what does she do? She said, I'm a fuck him.

830
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, please don't make me do because

831
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: I had more loyalty to the girl who called me.

832
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 4: She was like, I'm not playing, bitch, I'm going to

833
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 4: fuck it.

834
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: I mean, he was like it was.

835
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: It used to be hard for me with my friends

836
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 3: only because at the times this happened, bitch, we all

837
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: needed money and I never wanted to feel like I

838
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: was keeping my homegirls from paying their bills or taking

839
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: care of their kids and stuff like that. So like,

840
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: it was always really difficult for me to take it

841
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 3: personal or be upset. Like if it was a nigga

842
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: that I liked, that's different. So that's another thing. If

843
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: it wasn't tricks, there's still niggas would fuck It wasn't

844
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: like breaking bread. And if I brought them around homegirls

845
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: and they even thought to following it, Oh, it didn't

846
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: happen to me all the time. My niggas did hit

847
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: me up like yo, it was so and so, like

848
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: y'all really.

849
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 4: Cool because she done slid in my ship.

850
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: The niggas will tell oh, yeah, so you know, like

851
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: the men are messy and ladies if you think you'll

852
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: be a slick whether you think this nigga really fucked

853
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: with her or not, they tell every single time.

854
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 7: What well, I I'm a very private person.

855
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 4: After this document.

856
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 7: I was a very private person until my host pop

857
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 7: blowing up. And I'm also a generous person. So if

858
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 7: I did have like a customer or something that you know,

859
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 7: I would you know, navigate it to a certain way.

860
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 7: Like of course, if I'm eating, I want everybody to eat,

861
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 7: but I wouldn't. I've been burned so many times before too,

862
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 7: and like situations like that happened, so that just shows

863
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 7: me too. I eat for myself, you know what I mean.

864
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 7: I've helped out enough people. I did what I could.

865
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 7: I gave a lot of connections, and I got stabbed

866
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 7: in the back many times. So now I refuse which

867
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 7: mine is mine? And you know, I'm so sorry.

868
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: Now what is the safest way?

869
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 6: Oh No, I just want to speak to something too though,

870
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 6: because it's crazy. So I have a one of my

871
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 6: old friends actually fucked one of my people and basically

872
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 6: said to me like I was being selfish for not

873
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 6: letting her deal with him, and because so what's crazy?

874
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 6: These people ended up robbing me all the things, but

875
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 6: I just wanted to say too, like I have encountered

876
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 6: women who will say, if you don't give your partners

877
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 6: or the men you're dealing with somehow, you're selfish for that,

878
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 6: And it just fucked my head up because.

879
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 4: That's called manipulation.

880
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: No way saying that for it, because they won't what

881
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 3: you got, no of course, like he gaged that she

882
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: took him to Wendy's and I didn't even know he

883
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: ate Wendy's.

884
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: But I was just like, okay, that's some girls shoot that.

885
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 6: For them, they feel like you're being selfish, and for me,

886
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 6: I literally internalized it was like, you know what, it

887
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 6: kind of makes sense, like if you're not worth it

888
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 6: and I feel like you are disposable, then I will

889
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 6: give you to the group. But it's like, if you're

890
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 6: somebody that I feel like is lucrative.

891
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: Bring back gatekeeping, because.

892
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: I mean to be fair, because if they're spending money

893
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 3: on your friends, it's probably less money that's going to be.

894
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 7: Like that too, And I.

895
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: Don't want to be Saturday and then the next thing,

896
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm every other Saturday.

897
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 6: I want to be Sunday when they bring out the

898
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 6: offer and play.

899
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: Okay, this is what I was gonna ask.

900
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So to the women that are listening to the

901
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: podcast out calls and calls, can you tell us a

902
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: little bit about what you've seen has been safer and

903
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: maybe ways to protect yourself, whether there be sights, you know,

904
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: just anything you may have seen along the way that

905
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: could be a helpful tip and save somebody.

906
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 7: So when I before I stopped working, I would like

907
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 7: do like mister number, look up, you know, and search

908
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 7: the number for Yeah, after the whole thing, there's also

909
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 7: like network of like girls. There's blogs and just like

910
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 7: the clients have blogs about the girls. Because I know,

911
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 7: I'm like on a lot of blocks. People are telling Almighty,

912
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 7: my friends tell me, oh yeah, this and this and that.

913
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 7: The girls have blogs too, and you can like put

914
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 7: in a little number, put in a little name or something.

915
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 7: Ask one of your girlfriends, hey do you know this person?

916
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: You know?

917
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 7: Because the big one, the big fish, we've all they've

918
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 7: all stopped at sure on our station, you know. So

919
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 7: if you want to, if you're like, you know, open,

920
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 7: and you have friends and you say, hey, do you

921
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 7: know this person? Do you have any recommendations, you know,

922
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 7: in calls are very iffy because like for me, I

923
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 7: was like, I'm such an own person. I don't like

924
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 7: people to know where I live.

925
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 4: What about if you get a hotel room.

926
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 7: Yes, so I would get a hotel room, like on

927
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 7: the other side of town, on the other side of town.

928
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 7: I was set up my custommers. Yeah, but she said.

929
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 3: New York and DC were her best. She would travel

930
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: from Florida. I would be candy ferocity. That way, it

931
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: would get me in my house because trust, yeah, I

932
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: don't feel comfortable in the hotel though.

933
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: Really I feel you feel more comfortable home. So I

934
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: don't know.

935
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 6: For one, I just feel like I feel protected in

936
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 6: my home simply because I know where my gadgets is

937
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 6: at hell, like I know where to get my peace.

938
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 6: You know what I mean if they come back to

939
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 6: your house, right, Oh they've done that too, But I mean, well,

940
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 6: at my place is like a bunch of cameras and

941
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 6: like you know, when you're walking, cause you to stick

942
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 6: by the door of the knife by the bed, like

943
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 6: you know, the pepper spray, like you're gonna see if

944
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 6: you jump or court too hard, you might not leave

945
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 6: the same way you can't, Mike. But I also don't

946
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 6: feel like for me honestly, Like I guess there's always

947
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 6: been to this thing. I'm uncomfortable with telling people that

948
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 6: I'm a sex worker. So it's like the fear of

949
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 6: being at a hotel, maybe being a part of a sting,

950
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 6: Like how do I explain that?

951
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: And then I don't want to get a huh you

952
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: know how big this podcast is.

953
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm fine with that now, but I'm

954
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: saying no, I'm saying back then we I'm in Cocona City.

955
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: And my titties out. No, but I but it was

956
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: for me too.

957
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: That's what it all like when into where I said,

958
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 3: like dealing with the imposter syndrome because right, like I'm

959
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 3: still showing up in certain spaces, especially corporate spaces, because

960
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 3: I was a part of like the not just said,

961
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: but like at a corporate ad agency, and so like

962
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: I was out here in these streets. So it's like

963
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: I had to try to disguise it anywhere I could.

964
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: So it was like I always wanted a daddy, you know,

965
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: to come to my house, and then I always played

966
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: the you know, I'm an aspiring black artists okay, narrative

967
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 3: to every day. It was like very much like give

968
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: me my coins so that I can get out of this,

969
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 3: because I wouldn't be your star.

970
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 4: I love.

971
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 7: That was a struggle, like you had to back in

972
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 7: the days, you had to have a mood lighting. You

973
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 7: couldn't say you were a sex worker, so you always

974
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 7: had to have another feel like, oh, I'm a makeup artist,

975
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 7: I'm a hair dresser, because back in the days, like

976
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 7: when I started, you couldn't be there was no podcast girl.

977
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 7: You were doing what you had to do on the low,

978
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 7: like you know what I mean. Now it's more common

979
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 7: and you can like, hey, you know, but back in

980
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 7: the days, I struggled because I'm there. You'll be like,

981
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 7: you know, you go to a club and you meet

982
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 7: a guy and you know you're sexyprogress, Oh what do

983
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 7: you do? Oh, I'm a model, not even not even.

984
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: To agent that that far back when I was in

985
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: high school, one of my good friends, her sister, worked

986
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: in me and to be very clear, the stigma around

987
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: just being a stripper none of not sex worker, you know,

988
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: and of course there's the hierarchy of sex work as well,

989
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 3: but a lot of women weren't even you know, cool

990
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 3: sharing that they're a stripper. And now everybody videos, everybody

991
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: is showing themselves in the locker rooms on the instagrams.

992
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 2: It's completely different than even what what I saw going.

993
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: But see to the difference was is that like we

994
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: have a place in New York City, there was like

995
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: the trans strip club, right, and so like for me,

996
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 3: that was the thing, Like yes, I would do inkuos,

997
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 3: but I guess I always had access to what was

998
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: like an outcool because I would go to the club, no,

999
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: in the club outside, you know.

1000
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 6: No, I'm like I can date it a little because

1001
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 6: I'm like just for the young girls, but it goes

1002
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 6: a little.

1003
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: Further back, like.

1004
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they got to see Tuesdays or te Thursdays.

1005
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: Oh no, I see every day. I've talked about that

1006
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: place on the shovefourdays and Thursday, but now I don't

1007
00:46:59,120 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: every day.

1008
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 7: I don't like these kind of places because like men

1009
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 7: go to meet trans woman and then they automatically get proposition,

1010
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 7: and so there is no places where like a girl's

1011
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 7: like us that maybe we are used to be sex workers,

1012
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 7: but now we want to meet someone, you know, and

1013
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 7: we want to have a normal conversation. There is no

1014
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 7: places like that, So I don't like to promote so

1015
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 7: much those kind of places because we need to have

1016
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 7: a place where we can be socialized and be and

1017
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 7: if you want to, you can, but it doesn't have

1018
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 7: to be the focus. When you walk in, like guys

1019
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 7: walk in, they're.

1020
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 6: Like But in terms of girls in sex work still

1021
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 6: when you think about in quoder alcohol, it's very much

1022
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 6: so in terms of safety, I think that is a

1023
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 6: safer way because I would rather meet you in person.

1024
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: You see me in person, so my rate don't shock you.

1025
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: I'm not sitting around nope, because there's a lot of

1026
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 3: like Russian roulette, and like for me, sitting at home

1027
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 3: and doing sex work at home, it's like sometimes a

1028
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: lot of wasted time, right because you're just like over selling,

1029
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 3: like marketing through the phone.

1030
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: This is who I love and.

1031
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 4: It was it really shows so much of comfortability.

1032
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 6: And I would rather get my coins in person. No

1033
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 6: shade too, because a lot of times the dates when

1034
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 6: I would use my photos would say that they didn't

1035
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 6: believe I was real. So when you see me in person,

1036
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 6: it's like, okay, babe, now you're not gonna play with

1037
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 6: me like you know what this is, and I guess

1038
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 6: I knew I could always make enough at night. So

1039
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 6: it's like, but the way that I would kind of

1040
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 6: like I guess police the situation or like safety measures

1041
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 6: is like I would ask them for my coins up

1042
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 6: front or Lisa deposit, and then I honestly knew to

1043
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 6: only go for a certain type of guy, like if

1044
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 6: you didn't have on a sue or if you didn't

1045
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 6: come across as that coinsy type of date like no

1046
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 6: shade shout out to Tay. Tay was a date, but

1047
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 6: I'm not going with you, like that's not what's happening.

1048
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 6: Like I need to feel like I'm leaving a very

1049
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 6: sickening set where you're gonna ensure my safety because you're

1050
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 6: even concerned about like somebody even knowing that right I'm

1051
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 6: trans and being in your building.

1052
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: So I needed they end date.

1053
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 4: You said you got to stick and pepper spray and

1054
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 4: this and that. So it's like, yeah, one of.

1055
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 7: These going out with what a bank I'll start, well,

1056
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 7: one of the I'll start with a bad time with

1057
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 7: the customer, and apparent sadly enough, it was a black customer.

1058
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 7: And this is maybe why a lot of trans women

1059
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 7: choose not to operate in that demographic. But it was

1060
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 7: a black customer. He came to my house. This is

1061
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 7: a long time ago, and he wanted to penetrate me,

1062
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 7: and I'm like, I don't offer that service, you know,

1063
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 7: or if you want, you have to give me more money. No,

1064
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 7: he didn't want to give me more money. He forced

1065
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 7: himself on me in my own apartment. And luckily I

1066
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 7: had like someone in the other room that I can

1067
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 7: call out to help with because it could have got ugly. Wow,

1068
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 7: So you had help, Yeah, I had. I always had

1069
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 7: like someone working with me in the bathroom or something,

1070
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 7: because me by myself one hundred and thirty pounds with

1071
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 7: these grown ass men until I started learning mixed martial

1072
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 7: arts and everything that I can feel confident now to

1073
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 7: protect my but back then I didn't have that.

1074
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 4: Now. Is that why some women choose to work with

1075
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 4: like a pimp.

1076
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 7: I guess it's the protection, Yeah, because these men they'll come,

1077
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 7: they'll try to get forget with you for free. They'll

1078
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 7: try to coerce you to do stuff by threatening to

1079
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 7: call the police on you if you don't do X

1080
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 7: y Z to them. Like it's really hard out here

1081
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 7: to protect yourself as a woman and as a business

1082
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 7: woman on top of that, in this whole and this shape.

1083
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: But to any bitch out there with aim, seek Jesus, right,

1084
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 2: I mean I don't.

1085
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 7: I would never say what.

1086
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 6: Because I just feel like to position yourself and depend

1087
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 6: on a man's safety when you're already you know, in

1088
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 6: survival or if you don't feel that what you do

1089
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 6: is survival, but to a certain extent, that's manipulation and

1090
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 6: he's taking away from like your sustainability because right, like

1091
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 6: in the end, you always get a short end of

1092
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 6: the stick. And when I think of pimps, that's usually

1093
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 6: some type of form of domestic violence. Right, So if

1094
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 6: it's not financial, then is definitely physical. And it's like

1095
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 6: if you're already in a position where that's how you

1096
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 6: choose to make your money, okay, cool, but then it's

1097
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 6: subjects yourself to that level of violence and then have

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00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 6: to like lose this sense of yourself because not only

1099
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 6: doing sex workn do that, right, like always having to

1100
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 6: constantly put the value on yourself that a man give you.

1101
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 6: But then now this man's beating you, abusing you, and

1102
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 6: it's like you deserve so much more than that, like

1103
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 6: even if you don't know how to invest your money,

1104
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 6: protect yourself. For me, it's I would rather be have

1105
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 6: my comrade be a woman, right, whether it's trans or sis,

1106
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 6: you know, like the girl in the bad from the

1107
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 6: person protecting me, then the man giving me just enough

1108
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 6: to look just enough good, you know, to maybe make

1109
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 6: a coin. And if I don't make that money, somehow

1110
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 6: I become the problem. Like I don't know, Like that's

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00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 6: a way, Like I've never understood it because I'm just

1112
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 6: like you know, I.

1113
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Speaker 1: Always thought it was because they either don't have the client,

1114
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: so the pimps telling them they're going to give you

1115
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: these people so you don't have to do it on

1116
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: your own the safety.

1117
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 4: But I didn't know that pimps take all your money.

1118
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought you worked for and they provide you

1119
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 3: a roof over your head, they feed you.

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Speaker 4: I thought like some pims take, most pims take. I

1121
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 4: thought some were like.

1122
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: No, we almost had a pimp on him, but we

1123
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: decided not to be because he was beating bitches.

1124
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: As literally, they were about to have a pimp on here,

1125
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 3: and then he's on the internet where like they're outing

1126
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 3: him because he's been out here beating bitches asses.

1127
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 4: It was like videos from him in the Walmart beating

1128
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 4: bitches up.

1129
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh yeah, that nigga can't come

1130
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: on this podcast.

1131
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 4: He was like it was maybe an hour he interview.

1132
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: I said, bro, cancel on that, and he can't come

1133
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 3: up here. Literally, I said, girl, you've seen this. Ain't

1134
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: this the guests coming home? I said, telling him goodbye.

1135
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 3: You thought he was gonna come get up? Where can

1136
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 3: the people follow you? See you support you? Let's get witty.

1137
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Speaker 6: Well, you can follow me on the Instagram, Daniella Carter,

1138
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 6: Welldella period Carter said, there's that part. And I also

1139
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Speaker 6: have a film festival platform for bipop artist Knell's guestbook.

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Speaker 7: You can find me on Instagram, Dominique Silver, I N

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Speaker 7: t L and in campaigns and magazine.

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Speaker 3: Honey, those will uh, those apps and all your socials

1143
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Speaker 3: will be in the description of this episode. But also

1144
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 3: if you loved our guest today and want to see

1145
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 3: them be a part of Cocomo City, you can now

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Speaker 3: So it is all over the place, AP and Apple

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Speaker 3: TV Hello World, Like just it's everywhere, So make sure

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Speaker 3: y'all catch that it is k O k O Emma.

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Speaker 2: There we got city. Thank you so much. Well, what's

1151
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: the surprise.

1152
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 3: Bottom ta y'all so much for joining us, and y'all,

1153
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: if you want to continue supporting Horrible Decisions, make sure

1154
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 3: you join our patreon as Patreon dot com back slash

1155
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1156
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: Thank y'all so much. And this is me get another

1157
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 2: episode of Horrible Decisions.

1158
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Speaker 4: Pas y.

1159
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: I call him crying again, and I was like, bro, like,

1160
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm just feeling real fucked up because I'm so confused. So, like,

1161
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: what happened when you hung up with me after me

1162
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: crying for three hours? You got on the phone with her?

1163
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 4: He was like, yeah, her and I decided to be friends.

1164
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:29,959
Speaker 4: We had always been friends.

1165
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: Like, she wasn't as mad as you were, obviously because

1166
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: you and I were actually dating her and I've just

1167
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:34,959
Speaker 1: been friends.

1168
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 4: That took it too far. Took it too far basically

1169
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 4: mean kissing.

1170
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: But y'all wake up yesterday morning and I see a

1171
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: text message or an Instagram message at six am?

1172
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: Yo?

1173
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 4: Did you get this too?

1174
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: Can we talk?

1175
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 5: So?

1176
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: I wrote her back and was like, hey, I don't

1177
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: really know what else to say. Clearly he was dating

1178
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: both of us.

1179
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 2: It is what it is. It's fine.

1180
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to like anger myself and anymore. So

1181
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: now she's calling me on Instagram and I was like,

1182
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: do I answer? Type shit bitch?

1183
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 4: I was on that phone for three hours day ruined.

1184
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: What's ironic about her hitting me up? Because that's how

1185
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: the universe works. My mom was supposed to get surgery

1186
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: yesterday for a pacemaker, but she didn't. They're rescheduling it.

1187
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: So about six that morning, I texted him. I was like,

1188
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: I'm so fucked up about my mom. I really want

1189
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: to talk to you, but I know we're in this

1190
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: weird place, like I don't know what to do. That's

1191
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: what I said, and he was like, Yo, where are you?

1192
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: Like literally the second I saw the message was in

1193
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: the same time I texted him, and I was like,

1194
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: oh my god. So he might think me and my

1195
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: mama did because I never wrote him back. But anyway,

1196
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Speaker 1: get on the phone with her. She was really sweet.

1197
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 4: She was like hey.

1198
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, I feel like Loki's still loyal

1199
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Speaker 1: to this nigga, Like I don't want to get on

1200
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: the phone with you and just be talking and talking like,

1201
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: I don't see the point, and she was like listen.

1202
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: She was very honest too, Like I told her how

1203
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: he came to visit me, how he bought me shit

1204
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day, how he bought me gifts my birthday.

1205
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 4: She was like, Okay, no, he didn't do that for me.

1206
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 4: But we have been doing X y Z. We've been

1207
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 4: planning a trip here, blah blah blah.

1208
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: Girl told us the same shit, told us both he's

1209
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: had a dream about us having his daughter, told us

1210
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: both about what if we were gonna enough together, told

1211
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: us both this shit made up the same wedding plans.

1212
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 4: Bitch kids. I had niggles, and then HI knew this

1213
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 4: bitch was right and real as fuck. The first question

1214
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 4: she asked me, like listen, I've been listening to your podcast.

1215
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 4: I just want to know, are you fucking him? Did

1216
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 4: y'all do this?

1217
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: I said, why, I'm fuckinghi Bitcherre you fucking him? She

1218
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: was like no, but I've been trying to do X

1219
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: y Z with him. Girl, the same shit, heavy, making out,

1220
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: heavy petting, spooning, touching each other, and then it gets nowhere.

1221
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: I can't believe I got played by a nigga that

1222
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: I ain't never gave me no dick.

1223
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 4: And what kills me.

1224
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: When I was on the phone with him, he was

1225
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: trying to say all these things about that wasn't well,

1226
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: it was this with you, but not her fed her

1227
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: the same line and it was like really tough, and

1228
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: it really fucked me up because I just kind of

1229
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: what is okay?

1230
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Speaker 4: What is the toughest part.

1231
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: To you.

1232
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: About feeling like a nigga told you the same thing

1233
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 3: he told someone else.

1234
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 4: There's two things. It one felt special with what I

1235
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 4: had with him, Oh bitch. Hold on.

1236
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: When he came back from Hawaii, the nigga went on

1237
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: a vacation. I was like, yo, he just bought me

1238
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: a necklace.

1239
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 4: I took it off.

1240
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: I've been wearing it, this turquoise necklace. If anybody sees

1241
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: it in my pictures, I've been wearing it. She's like, girl,

1242
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: I saw him wearing that recently. She's like, so, how

1243
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: the fuck y'all broke up? But he's still doing this,

1244
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: like obviously he still has feelings for you. And I'm like,

1245
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: has he ever bought you jewelry? She's like, yeah, you

1246
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: bought me this pearl bracelet from Hawaii, bitch. The night

1247
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: he came back from Hawaii, he slept in my house

1248
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: and gave me that same sheet. So but anyway, it

1249
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: hurts because I thought what I had with him was special,

1250
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say this, I think he was in

1251
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: love with both of us.

1252
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: So this is really like a bit triggering.

1253
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 4: Because it's triggering bitch, well me, well me.

1254
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: And when I had the woman a woman call two

1255
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 3: months ago, he was telling us a lot of the

1256
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 3: same things, and so it was like, oh, you know,

1257
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 3: because we were just in the studio and we on Patreon.

1258
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 3: So the bartending Stephanie saw me a Mexican restaurant. I

1259
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 3: didn't tell the.

1260
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: Bitch you knew because I came in the next day. Wow,

1261
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: And I don't know if this is Karmic.

1262
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 3: I actually felt worse because she was getting a different

1263
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 3: story than I was. So first off, he was going

1264
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: by a different name with her, but she was aware

1265
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: of all his lovers, including me. I knew none of

1266
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 3: his other lovers, So hey, maybe this is karmic. Y'all,

1267
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 3: y'all know how I used to talk about being a

1268
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: side chick and knowing everything.

1269
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: So I thought, like a nigga fucked with.

1270
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 4: Me more, do you know? She sat across from me.

1271
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 3: And said, well, I think he loved me more because

1272
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 3: I knew about all his other lovers.

1273
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: You and the other girl didn't