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Speaker 2: You're at the volume heavy Wednesday, everybody, hope if you

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Speaker 2: guys are having a great week, we have a double

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Speaker 2: episode day. We're going to be breaking down the national

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Speaker 2: TV site from last night. I'm excited to talk about

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Speaker 2: the Spurs and the Celtics, as well as the Lakers

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Speaker 2: team that could compete in a playoff series, which did

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Speaker 2: not look like the case for most of the season.

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Speaker 2: But we're gonna wait and talk about that in a

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Speaker 2: second episode that's gonna be coming out just a little

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Speaker 2: bit later today. Bam Adebio scored eighty three points last

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Speaker 2: night in one of the wildest high scoring performances in

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Speaker 2: the history of the NBA. Carson, my buddy from nerd SESSH,

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Speaker 2: was kind enough to donate some of his time to

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Speaker 2: us this morning. And I'm bringing Carson on because last

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Speaker 2: night he had a tweet like I viewed one and

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Speaker 2: a half million times where Carson said, and to be clear, Carson,

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Speaker 2: you did backtrack this just a little bit. You toned

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Speaker 2: it down a little bit, and I'm gonna give you

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Speaker 2: a chance to kind of frame it. But you said,

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Speaker 2: Bam just had the grossest historic game ever. He became

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Speaker 2: the first player, first ever player to score seventy while

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Speaker 2: shooting under fifty percent on field goals twenty for forty three.

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Speaker 2: He attempted forty three free throws and made thirty six,

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Speaker 2: both the most ever, and he played forty two minutes

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Speaker 2: and his team intentionally fouled to prolong a thirty point blowout.

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Speaker 2: So what I would like to do today is just

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Speaker 2: take you know, about twenty minutes. You just debate this

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Speaker 2: Bam out of bio performance, because I think people are

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Speaker 2: overreacting to it a little bit. Carson, We've had some

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Speaker 2: fun debates over the years. This is a very different

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Speaker 2: Why don't you just kind of frame that tweet and

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Speaker 2: give us your perspective on how you're feeling after BAM's

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Speaker 2: performance last night. I should also say, really quick, we're

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Speaker 2: they have one nine out of eleven. They have him

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Speaker 2: playing some pretty good basketball, and this kind of distracts

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Speaker 2: from that a little bit. We'll talk about that some

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Speaker 2: other time. But Carson, what did you think about BAM's

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Speaker 2: night last night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Heat fans, before you get mad. I mean, my

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Speaker 3: co host Logan had the Heat ranked above the Pistons

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Speaker 3: as a contender on the show yesterday, which I was

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Speaker 3: not expecting. He's drinking the Heat kool aid, and I

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Speaker 3: think he is now going to take credit for summoning

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Speaker 3: a Bam eighty three point game with his optimism. I

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Speaker 3: really do stand by what I said in that tweet.

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Speaker 3: The only shift that I've had in my view of

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Speaker 3: that game is sort of going from like disgust watching

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Speaker 3: it in real time to just more of an appreciation of,

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Speaker 3: like how funny it was, how absurd it all was,

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Speaker 3: like people enjoying it. From that perspective, I really do

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Speaker 3: get it is hilarious that of all people to top

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Speaker 3: the eighty one point mark the Kobe set in two

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Speaker 3: thousand and six, bam Adebayo is the one who did it.

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Speaker 3: It is hilarious that he did it on a Tuesday

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Speaker 3: night game against the tanking Washington Wizards, in a game

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Speaker 3: in which they were forcing him touches every single possession

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Speaker 3: and the word and the Wizards were triple teaming him,

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Speaker 3: and they still couldn't keep from fouling him and like

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Speaker 3: that being as gross and nasty and just stupid as

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Speaker 3: it was. Is really funny that being said, people treating

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Speaker 3: this as though it is like the performance of the year,

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Speaker 3: as though it is one of the greatest scoring performances

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Speaker 3: of all Timey, that's just insane considering I know that

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Speaker 3: we all just watched the same thing and it was absurd.

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Speaker 4: It was a clown show.

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Speaker 3: It was a singular effort to get a guy to

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Speaker 3: a single point total. I have people telling me that

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Speaker 3: was the best basketball performance of the year. That wasn't

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Speaker 3: even a basketball game, man, Like it was a joke.

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Speaker 3: So I do not in any way hold it against

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Speaker 3: Bam that he went for this record. I do not

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Speaker 3: hold it against the heat that they went for it.

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Speaker 3: Like you are playing the Wizards on a Tuesday night,

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Speaker 3: meaningless game.

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Speaker 4: Like have some fun.

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Speaker 3: Man, you have a chance to break Kobe's record and

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Speaker 3: become the player to score the second most points in

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Speaker 4: Like, go do that, dude.

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Speaker 3: But the notion that we all have to revere this

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Speaker 3: in which Bam was seven of nineteen from the field

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Speaker 3: I admire the commitment of this effort to get him

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Speaker 3: that many points, but the first quarter was incredible, and

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Speaker 3: also when I tweeted that, and I acknowledged this at

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Speaker 4: The game from tip off.

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Speaker 3: I came in to watch the second half, and what

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Speaker 3: up garbage or getting fouled every single time that he

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Speaker 3: did ultimately score. So it was very unappealing to watch.

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Speaker 3: And ultimately I think it's more of like a funny,

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Speaker 3: like this incredible, incredible performance and like it's still obviously

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Speaker 3: by far the best scoring game of BAM's career, but personally,

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Speaker 3: it would have left a better taste in my mouth

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Speaker 3: if he got sixty just by like playing more within

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Speaker 3: the flow of a normal basketball game and not shooting

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Speaker 3: twenty of forty three from the field.

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Speaker 4: And taking forty three free throws.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's so many angles I want to get

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Speaker 2: into here. I first of all, if you were watching

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Speaker 2: that's Slate last night, I do feel bad for you.

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Speaker 2: We all kind of joined in at the end. I

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Speaker 2: did get a text from Jackson at one point as like, yo,

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Speaker 2: Bam had a thirty point first quarter, and I was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: that's interesting, Like I'm looking forward to watching that. Then

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the next time I checked, he

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Speaker 2: It got into it at the end, and of course

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Speaker 2: that was when it was super ugly. What I'd like

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Speaker 2: to do because there's a historical way to look at this,

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Speaker 2: because I think there's a big difference between the high

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Speaker 2: scoring games in NBA history that were bigs versus these

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Speaker 2: like pull up shooters, because there's a very specific type

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Speaker 2: can get red hot on pull up jump shots versus

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Speaker 2: like Bam who like hits a bunch of threes early,

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Speaker 2: But I do think the bigs it manifests in a

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Speaker 2: different way because, first of all, we have to acknowledge

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Speaker 2: the framework of most of these games. Almost every super

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Speaker 2: high scoring game in NBA history has been unserious in

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Speaker 2: large part because of the fact that a serious basketball

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Speaker 2: game is not going to allow a player to get

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Speaker 2: to that type of point total. And in the vast

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Speaker 2: majority of circumstances you dig back, the Knicks team that

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Speaker 2: Wilt scored one hundred on had like they were like

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Speaker 2: twenty games below five hundred.

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Speaker 1: That was a bad team.

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Speaker 2: The Raptors team that Kobe scored all of his points on,

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Speaker 2: that was a very bad defense. The like when Lucas seventy,

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Speaker 2: it was against the Wizards, this team against the Wizards,

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Speaker 2: the Devin Booker seventy, that was when the Suns were

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Speaker 2: a really bad team. So he was jacking up like it.

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Speaker 2: There's a certain air of unseerious basketball. You need to

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Speaker 2: assume these types of point totals. Now with this particular game,

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Speaker 2: it kind of reminds me of the storytelling surrounding the

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Speaker 2: Wilt game, because again, there's no video of the Wilt game.

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Speaker 2: It's all just what we've heard from stories. But famously,

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Speaker 2: he got fouled a lot. They were intentionally fouling to

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Speaker 2: get the ball back. A lot of like similarities to

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Speaker 2: what we saw at the tail end of the game.

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Speaker 1: The first piece of this, he goes twenty for forty.

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Speaker 2: Three from the field. When I went back and watched

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Speaker 2: the game this morning, he came out early and was

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Speaker 2: whether it was on a post up, whether it was

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Speaker 2: the Wizards were straight up like bear hugging him and

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Speaker 2: they just conceive more of those as layups than he's

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Speaker 2: probably thirty for fifty three, and we're not having the

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Speaker 2: eighty three was down the stretch. He was just super

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Speaker 2: just kept fouling him. So like I think, because it

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Speaker 2: was a big man, high scoring game, it was not

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Speaker 2: esthetically appealing. That is the biggest thing that I agree

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Speaker 2: with you. It was not an esthetically appealing performance after

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Speaker 1: My whole thing is like, I just think.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of selective outrage because I would imagine

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Speaker 3: So the Warriors in that game literally intentionally fouled to

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Speaker 3: prolong the game to get Will to one hundred, just

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Speaker 3: like the Heat did in this one. Now, I don't

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Speaker 4: I think that's good. But some of the nonsense I've

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Speaker 4: A game that is ultimately supposed to be fun.

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Speaker 4: And if people really enjoyed it, that's okay. That was

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Speaker 2: some have been less ugly. The Kobe one is less

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Speaker 2: it's against the Hawks not the Wizards, that that game

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Speaker 3: He had sixty two scoring attempts in this game. Kobe

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Speaker 3: one last massive scoring performance in there, and then, as

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Speaker 3: you mentioned, he caught fire at the right moment. If

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Speaker 3: anybody is trying to rewrite history and say that was

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Speaker 3: a masterful scoring performance, and then that was a pretty

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Speaker 3: large Like No, that game was another like side show joke.

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Speaker 3: But ultimately Kobe did at least catch fire at the

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Speaker 3: right time, and we're judging him by a totally different

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Speaker 3: standard because it was a retirement celebration we all knew

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Speaker 3: that going in as opposed to this sort of like

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Speaker 3: changing meaning as the game went along, because it went

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Speaker 3: from being a basketball game to being all about let's

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Speaker 3: get bam Adebayo as many points it wassall. That's a

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Speaker 3: great point. And I do think there's an angle here

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Speaker 3: that like, this is just on the Wizards. This is

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Speaker 3: the fault of nobody but the Washington Wizards. And what's

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Speaker 3: the most incredible to me is obviously you can say,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, well they should have gotten way more

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Speaker 3: aggressive with their coverages early in this game. Once they

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Speaker 3: were triple teaming him, they still couldn't stop fouling. They

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Speaker 3: that's incredible incompetence.

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Speaker 4: It is. Maybe maybe this is the answer to tanking.

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Speaker 4: Once a year, you just.

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Speaker 3: Need to call in the seventy bomb eighty bomb and say,

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Speaker 3: let's shame this team out of it.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna work, but the Wizards something else, man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, last thing we'll hit before we get out of here.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: I did find the reaction to this incident to be

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Speaker 2: very fascinating in how like it evenly split the entire

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Speaker 2: basketball world, because like it truly felt like half the

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Speaker 2: people were like this is bullshit, and then it truly

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Speaker 2: felt like the other half of the people were like,

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Speaker 2: whoa cool bam Manebios coordinator's three points, Like I've seen

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Speaker 2: a lot of like the Laker fans in particular, are

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Speaker 2: the ones that cracked me up because I'm like, Kobe

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Speaker 2: was one of the most shameless shot chuckers and literally

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Speaker 2: the history of the NBA, so like now, it never

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Speaker 2: was this bad to your point, right, Like I do

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Speaker 2: think Kobe would have been more amenable to this just

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Speaker 2: simply because he did this kind of shit from time

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Speaker 2: to time. But like it has been really fascinating to see,

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Speaker 2: like this was the issue, like the fifty yard line

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Speaker 2: issue that would just drop right in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the basketball world and split everybody.

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Speaker 1: Like the amount of people that.

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Speaker 2: Were so upset last night, like really upset, like just

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Speaker 2: just just tweeting through it, like it was so funny

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Speaker 2: how many people were so upsetless.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do want to be clear about that. I'm

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Speaker 3: not mad about this. I just didn't enjoy watching it.

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Speaker 4: That was my take.

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Speaker 3: I'm like it sucks to watch in my opinion, not

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Speaker 3: because I'm a Kobe guy.

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Speaker 4: I am not a Kobe guy.

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Speaker 3: Like it's not some particular effort to be like we

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Speaker 3: have to preserve the legacy of that game, Like no,

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to see somebody do it legitimately, and

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Speaker 3: that was not it. And now the other thing that

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Speaker 3: I do think is going to be an unfortunate byproduct

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Speaker 3: of this, and we should probably all just ignore it.

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Speaker 4: But it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: Is the takes we're going to see from the national

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Speaker 3: media today about everything this says about today's NBA. There's

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Speaker 3: no defense unserious teams. Anybody can score X if they want. Dude,

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Speaker 3: Bam out of Bio, who's that he did that? Like

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Speaker 3: it's just gonna be the worst. And again that's not bamfal.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy for Bam, like he's clearly loving this as

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Speaker 3: he should. It is hilarious, it's incredible. It's Bam out

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Speaker 3: of Bio who did it. But watching the second half

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Speaker 3: of that game was gross. That was really my only

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Speaker 3: complaint about it.

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Speaker 1: It was gross.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was gross. You're right, today's media cycle is

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Speaker 2: going to be gross. The last thing I'll say is

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Speaker 2: I do think that when we talk about scoring, this

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Speaker 2: particular record is just a novelty, Like Kevin Durant is

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Speaker 2: arguably a top two or three scorer of all time.

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Speaker 2: That dude never hunted shots to the extent where he

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Speaker 2: could hit massive scoring totals.

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Speaker 4: He's scored sixty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like when I think think of Kobe as a scorer,

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Speaker 2: I think about some of the things he did in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs or extended runs of scoring, like when he

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Speaker 2: had that one stretch where he went like sixty to fifty,

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Speaker 2: sixty sixty or whatever it was that he did that

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Speaker 2: four game stretch. Like when I think about, you know,

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Speaker 2: even like Lebron James as a scorer, I'm not thinking

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Speaker 2: about the all time scoring record. I'm thinking about like

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Speaker 2: him routinely for years and years being twenty seven points

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Speaker 2: per game in the postseason on sixty percent shooting plus,

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Speaker 2: or like you know, when I think if Donovan Mitchell

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Speaker 2: as a scorer, I literally think about him being the

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Speaker 2: most reliable thirty point per game, sixty sixty percenter shooting

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Speaker 2: guy the last few years. Devin Booker, I think about

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Speaker 2: him hitting tough pull ups over Drew Holliday and the

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Speaker 2: NBA Finals. Like, guys, when we're talking about scoring, this

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Speaker 2: is just a novelty. It just is it's a novelty record.

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Speaker 2: It was from the beginning when there's all we have

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Speaker 2: of the record as a dude holding a piece of paper,

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Speaker 2: like I do think there's a certain amount of like

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Speaker 2: this is. This is gimmicky by design, like no real

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Speaker 2: basketball game wherever we'll ever have people hitting these kinds

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Speaker 2: of totals. But Carson, I appreciate you taking a couple

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Speaker 2: of minutes out of your morning to come hang out

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Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 1: This was fun.

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Speaker 2: Bam Ada Bios Recording eighty three was fun. It was

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Speaker 2: ugly but fun. I'm glad we were able to get

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Speaker 2: into it a little bit really quickly. Before we get

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Speaker 2: out of here, Can you just shout out Nerd sess

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Speaker 2: and tell everybody where they can find your stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely appreciate you having me on as always. Man,

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Speaker 3: This was a ton of fun. You can find all

548
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Speaker 3: of our stuff on YouTube, Nerd sessh. We do NBA stuff.

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Speaker 3: We've got an NFL offseason show going today too. If

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Speaker 3: Jason isn't scratching your itch there with the NFL, then

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Speaker 3: come on over.

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Speaker 4: We've got that as well. But yeah, I appreciate you

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Speaker 4: as always. Man.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to bam at a bio shout out to

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Speaker 3: heat Culture. Heat Culture.

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Speaker 4: I guess now they are all about getting dudes eighty points. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: thank you, do it again.

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Speaker 2: Let's get here next shameless stat padding for meat culture.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, that's all we have for the first

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Speaker 2: episode this morning. We'll be back briefly here in like

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Speaker 2: an hour or so with another episode that's breaking down

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Speaker 2: the national TV slate from last night. As always, we

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Speaker 2: appreciate you guys for supporting us and sporting the show.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you guys in a little bit. F