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Speaker 2: Danny Parkins co host breakfast Ball, the winner of the
Speaker 2: mythical FS one NFL Picks Championship. It should be noted
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Speaker 1: It is definitely true that I only made it a
Speaker 1: competition between you, me and Nick once I started to
Speaker 1: crush it and distance myself off the field. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: you know, going into next year, if I start four
Speaker 1: and nine, you know, it's just luck. But when I'm
Speaker 1: crushing it, it's skilled and you guys are in a
Speaker 1: competition you didn't even know you had entered.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, I have had the
Speaker 2: last three shows in a row. I've had about as
Speaker 2: much fun as I can have at this point of
Speaker 2: thirty years doing it. So because I love free agency,
Speaker 2: I love the movement. I love when stuff breaks on
Speaker 2: the show. You know, I just I sometimes I think,
Speaker 2: you know, the audience thinks we love football and football season,
Speaker 2: but I actually find it more challenging when the season's
Speaker 2: over and we have to sit there for two hours
Speaker 2: in the morning and figure out ways to be compelling,
Speaker 2: and there's not a lot out there. So this week
Speaker 2: it's basically you've got B level players sometimes C plus
Speaker 2: players transitioning.
Speaker 1: To bad teams.
Speaker 2: And yet I had so much damn fun this week,
Speaker 2: and I want to start with the Bears because I honestly,
Speaker 2: and I don't remember the last time I thought this.
Speaker 2: I it's obvious Ben Johnson now runs the organization because
Speaker 2: he basically by acquiring a guard a center, a guard
Speaker 2: is telling Ryan Poles, your picks were not good? You
Speaker 2: know the organization? Well, that's that's my take is is
Speaker 2: are certain coaches. Rabel in New England is running the show.
Speaker 2: Belichick for years ran the show. Mcveay's got a lot
Speaker 2: of power in Los Angeles, whereas Brett Veat really runs
Speaker 2: personnel because Andy Reid doesn't want to do it. Sean
Speaker 2: Payton's running Denver. Didn't it feel like to you this
Speaker 2: is all Ben Johnson's stamp.
Speaker 1: So I've heard you say this, and I think that
Speaker 1: you're like eighty five to ninety percent correct. Ben Johnson
Speaker 1: clearly now outranks Ryan Poles. And it's not a straight
Speaker 1: like who makes more money, but it kind of is.
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson makes considerably more money than Ryan Poles, and
Speaker 1: obviously Ryan poles Is stock is down and Ben Johnson's
Speaker 1: stock could not have been higher. So Ben Johnson has
Speaker 1: more say. And the Jonah Jackson move is directly tied
Speaker 1: to Ben Johnson. And that was the first move that happened.
Speaker 1: They traded a late round pick for a guard from
Speaker 1: the Rams who had been a former pro bowler, but
Speaker 1: before he was with the Rams, he had been with
Speaker 1: the lo and Ben Johnson obviously the Lions have the
Speaker 1: best offensive line them and the Eagles in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He knows how valuable that is. I think Ryan Polls
Speaker 1: has taken a little too much heat in this regard.
Speaker 1: He was Matt Ryan's offensive lineman at BC. He is
Speaker 1: a former offensive lineman. He was on a practice squad
Speaker 1: in the NFL as an offensive lineman. His first ever
Speaker 1: first rounds pick because the first year he didn't have
Speaker 1: a first round pick because the previous regime had traded
Speaker 1: one away to acquire justin fields. So his first year,
Speaker 1: his first raft, he had two second round picks and
Speaker 1: he took Kyler Gordon and Jakwan Brisker, who are both
Speaker 1: starting players in the secondary. And then the next year
Speaker 1: when he had the ninth overall pick. He traded down
Speaker 1: one spot, passed up Jalen Carter. I disagreed with it,
Speaker 1: but he didn't think the organization was ready for the headache.
Speaker 1: And he took Darnell Wright, who looks like he's going
Speaker 1: to be the right tackle for the team for ten years.
Speaker 1: Maybe not an All Pro, but he looks damn good.
Speaker 1: But he he's going to get as And some of
Speaker 1: the draft people were like, should it have been Broderick Jones,
Speaker 1: the guy who went I think seventeen to the Steelers,
Speaker 1: who wasn't able to start for a year plus and
Speaker 1: definitely is not guaranteed to be a ten year starter
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And then so I think first time
Speaker 1: he had a first round pick, he drafted a tackle.
Speaker 1: He gave Nate Davis money. Nate Davis had a pretty
Speaker 1: good reputation. Mark Schlrath has told me that he's like,
Speaker 1: Nate Davis was one of my favorite guards in the
Speaker 1: NFL when he was in Tennessee Atlanta. Taper off a
Speaker 1: little bit, Bear's paid him, and it looks like Nate
Speaker 1: Davis got paid and stopped trying. Yeah, but it's not
Speaker 1: like that guy didn't have good tape, and it's not
Speaker 1: like people didn't like him, and it's not like that
Speaker 1: wasn't a significant investment in the offensive line. Tevin Jenkins
Speaker 1: was a former second round pick as a tackle who
Speaker 1: he moved to left guard Ryan Poles did, and he
Speaker 1: was a better guard than tackle, but then he got
Speaker 1: hurt and he can't stay on the field and he
Speaker 1: never invested in center, which was has been a disaster.
Speaker 1: That Bears literally haven't had a good center since Olin Krutz,
Speaker 1: and left tackle is Braxton Jones, who I would not
Speaker 1: say is good, but I would also not says bad.
Speaker 1: He's a replacement level player that Ryan Poles drafted in
Speaker 1: the fifth round out of Southern Utah. That's a draft win.
Speaker 1: What happened last year was a mediocre offensive line got
Speaker 1: hurt with a rookie quarterback, and you fired your play
Speaker 1: caller and your head coach so you couldn't scheme around it.
Speaker 1: The offensive line was a disaster year. Your quarterback got
Speaker 1: hit sixty eight times, and it became a fire alarm,
Speaker 1: like this is we are going to get Kayleb Williams killed.
Speaker 1: We are like, really with David Carr level of sabotage
Speaker 1: here if we don't overhaul it. So that's long winded
Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit more in the weeds than
Speaker 1: people that don't follow the Bears want to know. But like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that Ryan Poles doesn't prioritize the
Speaker 1: offensive line. I think it's that when he took over,
Speaker 1: he had such limited resources with draft capital that it
Speaker 1: took a while. And last year was never supposed to
Speaker 1: be a good offensive line, but it wasn't supposed to
Speaker 1: be that bad. And I think that anybody would have
Speaker 1: spent on the offensive line this offseason, but Ben Johnson
Speaker 1: kind of turbo charged it, and so he gets credit
Speaker 1: for it. But I can't. I have a hard time
Speaker 1: believing that. A smart guy who came up under Brett Vick, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, I'll add one more detail. He was
Speaker 1: the director of college personnel in Kansas City when they
Speaker 1: lost that Super Bowl to Tampa, and in the off
Speaker 1: season they signed Jokes, they drafted Creed Humphrey, and they
Speaker 1: drafted Tray Smith. Creed Humphrey now set the market at center,
Speaker 1: Trey Smith set the market at guard, and now Joe
Speaker 1: Tooney's a Bear, and he was an All Pro for
Speaker 1: a couple of years in Kansas City. So he was
Speaker 1: in Kansas City when Mahomes got killed in a Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: they brought in three new offensive linemen. He's the GM.
Speaker 1: In Chicago, when KAYLEB Williams got killed, they brought in
Speaker 1: three offensive linemen, one of whom is literally the same
Speaker 1: guy they brought in Kansas City. So I think Ryan
Speaker 1: Pohls knows about the offensive line, cares about the offensive line,
Speaker 1: prioritizes the offensive line. He just made a couple of
Speaker 1: bad mistakes. Nate Davis most principally not investing in a
Speaker 1: real center probably right behind it, and he underestimated how
Speaker 1: little depth he had to protect Kayla Williams last year.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's interesting about you know, as I
Speaker 2: you know, moved my operations primarily here in the next
Speaker 2: six weeks, primarily to Chicago.
Speaker 1: How bad all the teams are?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yet either the Bulls have led the NBA in
Speaker 2: attendance three or four straight years. So the passion the bears,
Speaker 2: the passion the Bulls people, I don't have it completely
Speaker 2: committed to that. I mean, the Bulls have led the
Speaker 2: attendance like twenty of the last twenty five years since
Speaker 2: I mean, it's legitimately crazy, Like I can look it
Speaker 2: up or one of your producers can look up.
Speaker 1: Since Jordan left, like nineteen ninety nine till now, they've
Speaker 1: literally led the NBA in attendance more than eighty percent
Speaker 1: of the years. It's insane. Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a sports town that has it's the
Speaker 2: opposite of Los Angeles. In LA, our owners are the richest,
Speaker 2: Steve Balmer, Stan Cronkey. In Chicago there's some of the
Speaker 2: poorest are Our owners are in there sort of earning prime.
Speaker 2: A lot of the Chicago ones outside of rickets are not.
Speaker 2: Our teams are all hyper aggressive, and we have star
Speaker 2: coaches everywhere. You know, Chicago does not. The difference is
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, if teams aren't really good, people stop going.
Speaker 2: In Chicago they don't. So I've always said, and you've
Speaker 2: never lived in LA, but I've always said LA it's
Speaker 2: a double edged sword, is that you have to be
Speaker 2: aggressive because our weather's so good, We've got beaches, and
Speaker 2: Vegas is so close. Like people just say we're not interested,
Speaker 2: Like the Dodgers are great, and they're like, yeah, we
Speaker 2: just won the World Series. We're going to spend four
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million more and put one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty into our clubhouse. Because in Los Angeles it's like
Speaker 2: people move on. I mean, Steve Balmer was rolling, he
Speaker 2: builds a new facility, people are like, yeah, Lucas in town,
Speaker 2: there's other stuff, Whereas in Chicago there and I haven't
Speaker 2: been there enough, but there, I feel like there is
Speaker 2: a real pride in the city. People in Chicago kind
Speaker 2: of kind of look at you sideways. If you even
Speaker 2: mention the weather, It's like, yeah, you know our winners,
Speaker 2: you wear a coat. It's just funny. I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm moving to a city that is sort of diametrically
Speaker 2: different in terms of ownership, teams, star power, and loyalty.
Speaker 2: And I do think LA is a great sports town.
Speaker 2: It's better than Miami, which also has beaches and weather.
Speaker 2: But people here are really really distracted in Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: and they're not as much in Chicago.
Speaker 1: I think that you're one hundred percent spot on. I like,
Speaker 1: there's not a ton to add. I mean, I can
Speaker 1: go deep on like any of those topics. But like
Speaker 1: you know, Jerry Reinsdorf owns the bulls in the White
Speaker 1: Sox and he cares way more about the White Sox
Speaker 1: than the Bulls. His son, Michael Reinstore basically runs the Bulls,
Speaker 1: but both teams have a bunch of minority partners. He
Speaker 1: doesn't own over fifty percent of them. It's just it's
Speaker 1: like a bunch of rich guys that own one percent
Speaker 1: five percent, and they cobble it together and they go
Speaker 1: from there. And he, you know, it looks like he's
Speaker 1: getting right, even though he loves baseball, but he's the
Speaker 1: diehard baseball fan. He hates spending money they have. There's
Speaker 1: a crazy thing going around Ishpia. You know, the guys
Speaker 1: who on the sode you know, yeah, yeah, they're apparently
Speaker 1: they're apparently buying up minority ownership in the White Sox
Speaker 1: and they're reportedly in line to be next. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: White Sox fans are cautiously optimistic because there's this like
Speaker 1: funny thing going around Chicago in the you know, in
Speaker 1: one of the towns in the north shore of Chicago
Speaker 1: where I was from, where a lot of the wealth
Speaker 1: in Chicago lives, like on Lake Michigan, Ishpia is building
Speaker 1: a mega mansion on Lake Michigan that is estimated to
Speaker 1: be worth more than any single contract with the White
Speaker 1: Sox have ever given out in team history. It's estimated
Speaker 1: to be like aet eighty six million dollar mega mansion compound.
Speaker 1: And I believe the largest contract the White Sox have
Speaker 1: ever given out is still the seventy five million dollars
Speaker 1: because it was Yasmani Grondal and then it was the
Speaker 1: left fielder whose name I can't remember because the White
Speaker 1: Sox are terrible, but the biggest one ever is seventy
Speaker 1: five million. The Cubs ownership and the Cubs organization is excellent.
Speaker 1: They frustrate some people because they are top ten and
Speaker 1: spending and people think they should be top three. But
Speaker 1: they make a ton of money and they spend them
Speaker 1: a lot of money, but they don't really operate.
Speaker 2: People and people I know in and out of Chicago,
Speaker 2: like the Rickets.
Speaker 1: Tom Ricketts. Tom Ricketts is as normal of a billionaire, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he sits. He doesn't sit in the suite even though
Speaker 1: he has won most of the games. He sits in
Speaker 1: the second row or the first row behind the Hubs
Speaker 1: on deck circle, and he shakes hands and takes pictures
Speaker 1: and signs autographs, and you know, the Cubs make a
Speaker 1: lot of money, and they put a lot of money
Speaker 1: into the team. They break even, is like what they say.
Speaker 1: But the rest of the ownership is pretty brutal. It's
Speaker 1: pretty brutal. The mccaskee family wealth is all the bears,
Speaker 1: and there's a million of them, so in terms of
Speaker 1: kids and grandkids, and so they don't all want to
Speaker 1: be in it. And yeah, Chicago is an amazing city.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned like the pride thing, like pride in
Speaker 1: the city. I've only I listened. I've lived in New
Speaker 1: York where there's a ton of pride, Kansas City a
Speaker 1: ton of pride, Syracuse college Town, and Chicago. That's where
Speaker 1: I've lived. I've traveled all over the world, So I
Speaker 1: am definitely bias. Chicago's my home. But people in Chicago,
Speaker 1: chicagoan's man. They take so much pride in the city,
Speaker 1: the people, the neighborhoods, being Chicago tough but Midwest nice,
Speaker 1: capital of the Midwest. And it's said that like Chicago
Speaker 1: became a like political lightning rod word for people around,
Speaker 1: like the gun debate and all of these things when
Speaker 1: it's so unfair and we don't have to get into it.
Speaker 1: We can, but we don't have to get into it.
Speaker 1: And so I think that also kind of like hypercharged
Speaker 1: Chicagoans in the last call it ten plus years, where
Speaker 1: it's like, we know, we got some problems, and we
Speaker 1: know we have some gun violence and some poverty, and
Speaker 1: we got problems, but we have a lot of hard
Speaker 1: working Chicagoans who are working on it and caring about
Speaker 1: it and not moving out of the city and doing it.
Speaker 1: And it just seemed like people were who don't give
Speaker 1: a shit about Chicago at all, We're using it to
Speaker 1: score cheap political points. And I think that even though
Speaker 1: the city's always had a tremendous amount of pride, in
Speaker 1: the last just how is our political cycle and the
Speaker 1: Internet has like polarized us even more. I think it's
Speaker 1: like rallied Chicagoans together even more to have like a
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of pride and like protectiveness over the city.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I have pretty good taste,
Speaker 2: and my wife's got remarkable taste. Is I mean, our
Speaker 2: favorite North American city is Chicago. The people I know
Speaker 2: that live in Chicago, it's one eight. It's been the
Speaker 2: best city in America, like eight straight years. Conde nas
Speaker 2: like it's great. I always said this, if the parents
Speaker 2: were the federal government and all fifty states were kids,
Speaker 2: California is the best looking and the richest and gets
Speaker 2: the most criticism. They have to literally pay into the
Speaker 2: federal government every year because they make so much money.
Speaker 2: Like twenty eight of the states are more need a
Speaker 2: check to pay their bills, and those are the states
Speaker 2: that often criticize the good looking kid in the family,
Speaker 2: California more. And the second most criticized state is Chicago,
Speaker 2: which gets voted best North American city over and over.
Speaker 2: So you know, I've always said this that you know
Speaker 2: I've traveled abroad. Mom was British. London is my favorite
Speaker 2: place on earth. And then you know, Los Angeles and
Speaker 2: Chicago I love because there are just lots to do.
Speaker 2: Some people want to live in small towns. I grew
Speaker 2: up with one. It bored to live in hell out
Speaker 2: of me. There's just not enough stimulation for me to
Speaker 2: each their own. I'm not into hunting, you know, it's
Speaker 2: not my thing, but it is. It is funny that
Speaker 2: I tell Anne, we keep picking these cities that everybody
Speaker 2: tells us are awful, and we absolutely love them.
Speaker 1: Chicago in the summer like I'm a year round Yes,
Speaker 1: for sure, I'm a year round Chicagoan Like, that's for me,
Speaker 1: that's my happy spot. I'm incredibly jealous of what you
Speaker 1: have set up right now at our network. I'm incredibly envious.
Speaker 1: But there's just something about the world class international city
Speaker 1: where you can do anything at any time relative to
Speaker 1: some places. It's all so affordable. Yes, it's beautiful. And
Speaker 1: while the traffic with the construction right now on the
Speaker 1: on the Edens is hillacious, like when they're doing the construction, generally,
Speaker 1: like outside of that, it's pretty easy. Like, it's a
Speaker 1: pretty easy it's a pretty great public transportation or lane
Speaker 1: you know, or lane roads like in downtown. Yeah, alleys
Speaker 1: for like the trash isn't on the street, plenty of
Speaker 1: you know, you can take a train into Midway, into
Speaker 1: O'Hare too, Wrigley two White Sox Stadium. Basically you have
Speaker 1: a zoo in your downtown. It's awesome. Yeah, Millennium Park
Speaker 1: relatively new, beautiful ton of green space. Yah. Done. It's
Speaker 1: the lake is the water supply to the city. You
Speaker 1: have a beach with a skyline behind you and a
Speaker 1: fresh body of water.
Speaker 2: And by the way, not just a beach. Even my
Speaker 2: little area where I live has three public beaches.
Speaker 1: Yeah. All the north shore suburbs yeah, well, met Wanetka,
Speaker 1: Glencoe are all awesome beaches. Awesome there. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we could do this for hours. Man,
Speaker 1: I get sports, music, culture, food, cost of living, accessibility, cleanliness. Uh.
Speaker 1: You can fly anywhere in the world NonStop, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Fly to Tokyo NonStop, can fly to
Speaker 1: Hawaii non stop, can fly to anywhere obviously in Europe,
Speaker 1: most places in Asia. It is, it's the best. It's
Speaker 1: it's the best. I love it. I love it so much.
Speaker 2: But circling back, it is completely polar opposite of Los
Speaker 2: Angeles AND's.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah yeah no. And but listen, I
Speaker 1: think that that, like I love you giving Chicago credit
Speaker 1: for it. I think that. And we've talked about this
Speaker 1: a little bit, like as both just like guys who
Speaker 1: love radio and you still do it. Cleveland, Detroit, Minneapolis, Chicago,
Speaker 1: New York, Philly, Boston, Kansas City. These are great sports
Speaker 1: radio towns, great sports towns, and they have a through
Speaker 1: line of cold weather like great Sportstown that is warm
Speaker 1: weather town are outliers and often you know, like Dallas
Speaker 1: obviously Cowboys obsessed. I think Mavericks fans are a little
Speaker 1: underrated in the ecosystem of the NBA. Fans like Mavericks
Speaker 1: playoff games kind of jump off the screen. But like
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a great sports town. Miami, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, not a great sports town. Obviously, La good
Speaker 1: sports down, but they can lose interest in those the
Speaker 1: cold weather cities. You're not losing interest. You don't lose interest,
Speaker 1: and the people from the warm weather cities like because
Speaker 1: there's less to do there. Yeah, that's probably part of it,
Speaker 1: but I think there's also just a little bit of
Speaker 1: a like, man, we all are alling this together, like
Speaker 1: these are our teams. We rep it the city pride,
Speaker 1: and so I loved doing local sports in Chicago and
Speaker 1: Kansas City because it really was in the fabric of
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Speaker 2: You know, we'll talk some free agency here. You know
Speaker 2: what's really amazing. So and I always give NBA executives
Speaker 2: a bit of a break. You get maximum these days,
Speaker 2: like two years of college tape and a guy you
Speaker 2: have to go back to high school tape because and
Speaker 2: the truth is, you could be at Gonzaga and a
Speaker 2: guard Jalen Suggs, and you only face an NBA guard
Speaker 2: in your out of conference games. I get very little
Speaker 2: to work on. In the NFL, you have often four
Speaker 2: years and three years of tape, and there's NFL bodies
Speaker 2: everywhere in the big ten in the SEC. I'm getting
Speaker 2: NFL dude on NFL dude, multiple years of it. Yet
Speaker 2: this is astounding. The hit rate on draft picks, like
Speaker 2: playing for a few years is fifty one percent.
Speaker 1: It's just interesting.
Speaker 2: Steve Kai, my buddy, always says, if you can get
Speaker 2: three starters a draft like the Vegas Dealer Boom, you're good.
Speaker 2: Is that you get to the fourth round and all
Speaker 2: my gms or like you get to the fourth rounds
Speaker 2: probably not a starter. If you have the right system
Speaker 2: and you draft for the system, you have a much
Speaker 2: better chance. That's why continuity is so important in this
Speaker 2: league because Andy Reid, I mean even with Mahomes and
Speaker 2: Andy Reid and Brett Veach, they have missed on multiple receivers.
Speaker 2: Now just think about that. They are I mean Veach's
Speaker 2: first or second best GM. Andy's brilliant who can make
Speaker 2: anybody work. He got sky Moore wide open in the
Speaker 2: red zone in the Super Bowl for a Cats like
Speaker 2: the literally nobody on him in a congested area, and
Speaker 2: sky Moore didn't work. And I can mention multiple other
Speaker 2: receivers there didn't work, and I wonder not to, you know,
Speaker 2: catch off guard. But with all the tape, I think
Speaker 2: the reason that that draft percentage is so low, and
Speaker 2: I think it's harder is because the NFL pension for
Speaker 2: coaches is really good, and there's a lot of money
Speaker 2: in this NFL business, and virtually everybody feels like they're upgrading.
Speaker 2: I think in the NBA, assistant coaches know, if you're
Speaker 2: an assistant under Steve Kerr, you might as well sit
Speaker 2: there for years until the job opens, Like right right,
Speaker 2: Like theude, everybody knows if you don't have two stars,
Speaker 2: you're not going to win. In the NFL, there is
Speaker 2: this sense, hey, is I can make this thing work.
Speaker 2: I mean, I draft a quarterback every year, and so
Speaker 2: every assistant in the NFL, every coordinator, wants to be
Speaker 2: a head coach as soon as possible, and it creates
Speaker 2: this transitional league.
Speaker 1: And that really hurts drafting. It really hurts drafting.
Speaker 2: And the money now is so great as head coach
Speaker 2: that the money is now so great in college and
Speaker 2: pro in coordinator job that everybody is trying to upgrade.
Speaker 2: It's like being in college with a girlfriend. You're like
Speaker 2: just you're looking at everything right, And I feel like
Speaker 2: in the NBA, assistants are like, hey man, wait until
Speaker 2: you get the right gig, you know. So that's my
Speaker 2: take is why this draft number is so low. There's
Speaker 2: too much money. I think that that's I think that
Speaker 2: there's probably like.
Speaker 1: A lot of factors and that is a good one,
Speaker 1: and I think that impacts It impacts everybody. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not the exact same, but we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: see it with Sam Donald, like situation matters. It just matters.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be worse in Seattle. He's like, oh, like Kobiak,
Speaker 1: like similar interestystem, good off, it's good. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Donald's gonna be much worse. He's gonna be much worse.
Speaker 1: And I know you love him and he's your guy.
Speaker 2: But I think he's gonna go twenty four and ten
Speaker 2: from thirty five and thirteen. I think he's gonna be
Speaker 2: about a twenty three twenty four, ten, twelve touchdowns. He'll
Speaker 2: be a He'll be a more athletic, cheaper, younger version
Speaker 2: of Gino.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's about right, and fourteen wins to seven and
Speaker 1: we won't talk about him and he will have gotten paid.
Speaker 1: And it's like situation just matters. We do it. We
Speaker 1: do it all the time. Like what would have happened
Speaker 1: if the Bears would have taken Mahomes instead of Trubisky.
Speaker 1: Would Trubisky have three super Bowls? I don't think so,
Speaker 1: but be much better and Mahomes would still be awesome,
Speaker 1: But he wouldn't have the MVPs maybe, or he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have all of the rings, like we don't. These are
Speaker 1: unanswerable sports talk questions, but like situation matters up and down.
Speaker 1: So if you want to pinpoint it on the draft,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely with you, and I'll go back to Ben
Speaker 1: Johnson in Chicago. Like Ben Johnson was one of the
Speaker 1: rare guys who was able to like have job offers
Speaker 1: and turn them down because he knew that they were
Speaker 1: going to be there again the next cycle. Because he
Speaker 1: was like, I've got Laporta and A'manra and Gibbs and
Speaker 1: Montgomery and a top two offensive line and a head
Speaker 1: coach that everybody loved. Like he knew his stock wasn't
Speaker 1: really going to go down. But then, like I wanted
Speaker 1: to believe though, when he took the Bears job, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, look at the Bears. Like he turned
Speaker 1: job down, turned jobs down two years ago, he turned
Speaker 1: jobs down last year. The Bears are the perfect job.
Speaker 1: This is amazing. And then when he did the interviews,
Speaker 1: he was like, I knew midway through the year that
Speaker 1: I was leaving, and the Bears were like the job
Speaker 1: that he wanted among the jobs this year. You know,
Speaker 1: he was just he was just ready to take a job,
Speaker 1: just ready to take a job. And so I think
Speaker 1: I don't think this is directly addressing your draft point,
Speaker 1: but I think it for all of these guys, rookies,
Speaker 1: free agents, assistant coaches. Steve Spagnolo is amazing, Dave Tobe's
Speaker 1: amazing is defensive coordinator and special teams coach. They also
Speaker 1: happen to coach with Andy Reid, and like they're not
Speaker 1: getting head coaching jobs. So Kansas City just benefits from, oh,
Speaker 1: you want to hire our offensive coordinator away? Who gives
Speaker 1: a shit? We have Andy Reid, but no one apparently
Speaker 1: wants to give Steve Spagnolo another head coaching job. That's
Speaker 1: just the Chiefs benefit. So the Chiefs benefit from continuity
Speaker 1: in more ways even than Mahomes and Reid and Veach.
Speaker 1: They benefit from continuity all throughout the coaching staff, and
Speaker 1: that has to have ancillary benefits on everybody draft picks.
Speaker 2: That's why when they miss on sky Moore, he still
Speaker 2: can have a touchdown in the Super Bowl. Like they
Speaker 2: squeeze the juice out of even their misses. By the way,
Speaker 2: the Rams with two to two out will has been
Speaker 2: a miss. They've squeezed every ounce an if you would
Speaker 2: have had a new coaching staff that have blown him
Speaker 2: out and you'd had to the Rams two two at
Speaker 2: is a great example. They're bring him back there, like, listen,
Speaker 2: we're gonna bring in DeVante, We're going to keep the kid.
Speaker 2: We think we got a year to two to win
Speaker 2: a super Bowl with Matt, Like, let's just keep the
Speaker 2: continuity to two out was a continuity signing.
Speaker 1: That's all he was.
Speaker 2: And I think and so it's funny when when people say,
Speaker 2: why do you like the Rams so much the last
Speaker 2: two years? Gm ops owner, quarterback coach, Like, it's all
Speaker 2: the same people. I mean, they go through defensive coordinators,
Speaker 2: but it's the same scouts. It's the same people. So
Speaker 2: I am my staff at FS one, it's it's I
Speaker 2: would argue, in the history of this business sports talk
Speaker 2: radio on the radio site, it's the greatest staff ever assembled.
Speaker 2: It's an incredible staff. I mean I have writers, I
Speaker 2: have guest bookers. My guys are could all have other
Speaker 2: jobs and we just have an incredible environment. Now I
Speaker 2: don't know about TV shows, you know, Steven A. Smith
Speaker 2: could have are thirty people. I don't know how any
Speaker 2: but I'm just as in terms of a radio staff
Speaker 2: and the humor and the writers and j Max, it's
Speaker 2: an incredible group of people from graphics on down audio.
Speaker 2: It's just really strong. And I've told people this before.
Speaker 2: They're like, they're like, how long do you think you're
Speaker 2: going to do it? And I'm like, I like everybody
Speaker 2: so much, and I'm like, it's like and part of
Speaker 2: the reason I like it is because I'm quirky and
Speaker 2: they all get my bullshit and there's like like that
Speaker 2: and that's why Andy Reid is a barker, but Spags
Speaker 2: gets it, Mahomes gets it, Kelsey gets so Andy like
Speaker 2: at the end of Philly can wear people out. And
Speaker 2: I think it's just one of those things where if continuity,
Speaker 2: Like I read a story the other day, fewer Americans
Speaker 2: are moving and I'm like, that's actually a good thing,
Speaker 2: Like mobility is for the young, Like I don't want
Speaker 2: a country where forty year old are like me and
Speaker 2: they're bouncing around. It's like it's probably not healthy for families,
Speaker 2: Like I can tell you.
Speaker 1: That it's the stretch was really stressful for mine. I
Speaker 1: can tell you that. I'm like we're back to like
Speaker 1: we just took a nice family vacation. We're looking forward
Speaker 1: to another one this summer, but like together as a
Speaker 1: family unit, Like I'm when I get to maybe even
Speaker 1: in your spot and we can have some time apart,
Speaker 1: that would be fine, But for now it's yeah, it's stressful,
Speaker 1: that's fucking So.
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting today where Adam Schefter was
Speaker 2: almost annoyed with Aaron Rodgers, where he came out and
Speaker 2: said pick a team. So I said this on the
Speaker 2: air today, if you ever tell a corporation listen, I
Speaker 2: need more time all get back to you. You have
Speaker 2: to have the self awareness to know how that lands
Speaker 2: to the corporation, especially if you're in a valuable position.
Speaker 2: It's a big fu. You're literally going back thinking what
Speaker 2: a what a prima donna. And it's where I usually
Speaker 2: tend to think really smart people have excellent self awareness.
Speaker 2: And I wonder sometimes with Aaron is he the rare
Speaker 2: smart dude doesn't read the room well? I mean he
Speaker 2: he goes on this darkness retreating Green Bay and then
Speaker 2: is shocked when they're like take a hike, like how
Speaker 2: can you be shot?
Speaker 1: But here's the thing with Rogers, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of it. He talks a lot, but do we believe
Speaker 1: anything he says, like, what do you mean he said
Speaker 1: he didn't have cell service? Like he's like he's like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: can you live in Malibu and like a twenty five
Speaker 1: million dollar house? You have cell service? Like it was
Speaker 1: just I think that he has a lot of narcissism
Speaker 1: to him, and he's like, I love the silence. And
Speaker 1: then he brought a film crew like what do you
Speaker 1: These things are just in conflict with each other. I
Speaker 1: just you know what I mean. I think that he
Speaker 1: is a so I don't know that he knows exactly
Speaker 1: what he wants. And I think he loves attention, and
Speaker 1: I think that he he told Mark Schlareth and Stink
Speaker 1: has told the story publicly. He did like a week
Speaker 1: sixteen or seventeen Jets game and he stinks that they
Speaker 1: talk for almost thirty minutes twenty something was about the
Speaker 1: running game because Stink's insane, and he's like five or
Speaker 1: ten minutes was about his future and he's like Aaron
Speaker 1: told me point Blake, like, I'm only going to keep
Speaker 1: playing if the situation is perfect. Well, now apparently it's
Speaker 1: down to the Steelers and the Giants. Imperfect imperfect. Now
Speaker 1: at least the Steelers to me makes perfect sense. That
Speaker 1: one makes perfect sense. He loves Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin
Speaker 1: loves him. Mike Tomlin. Apparently it's impossible for this guy
Speaker 1: to have a losing season. Mason Rudolph, Kenny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky,
Speaker 1: Duck Hodges. It doesn't matter. It's for this guy to
Speaker 1: have a losing season. So obviously you're hyper relevant. The
Speaker 1: fans care. You'll look good in the iconic jersey. You'll
Speaker 1: get to play against Joe Burrow, You'll play against Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: The AFC North plays the NFC North this year, so
Speaker 1: the Steelers host the Packers, they go to Chicago. Aaron
Speaker 1: will eat that shit up like that. To me, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. He can have an expectation of playing in
Speaker 1: a playoff game and maybe winning a playoff game that
Speaker 1: Tomlin hasn't done since twenty sixteen. They're not going to
Speaker 1: win a super Bowl, but that makes sense. If he
Speaker 1: comes back and he plays for the Giants. It's just
Speaker 1: pure vanity. It's just pure I want.
Speaker 2: To Okay, So I'm gonna argue because this was a
Speaker 2: discussion today on the show, and I said, because I've
Speaker 2: moved so many times that I get a yellow patout
Speaker 2: person cons and I said, I'm going to be Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I don't have to move.
Speaker 2: I get an offensive coach, I get neighbors and a
Speaker 2: really good left tackle, and I'm gonna have more juice
Speaker 2: in the building because the coach and the GM are
Speaker 2: getting fired or they had lost Nausee Harris in their
Speaker 2: left tackle. They're completely toned af to offense. I'm old
Speaker 2: and don't want to get hit, and they haven't had
Speaker 2: a good line for seven years. I'll have really no
Speaker 2: power in the building, and I'm gonna have two guys
Speaker 2: that are both gonna demand the ball and neither one
Speaker 2: runs a complete route tree. I can make an argument selfishly,
Speaker 2: like every time I've ever thought about moving. My take is,
Speaker 2: who is my Spengali in the building? Will somebody get me?
Speaker 2: Brian Dables work with Daniel Jones, He's worked with Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: Brian Dables been around forever. Man Jeanie calls him one
Speaker 2: of his best assistants he's ever known. Like, you go
Speaker 2: into a building with a guy you can literally be
Speaker 2: on the same wavelength. I mean, Arthur Smith does not
Speaker 2: appear to be likable and Mike Tomlin does not appear
Speaker 2: to care about offense, and you got two receivers who
Speaker 2: want to be ones. I look at Pittsburgh and think
Speaker 2: this is a powder.
Speaker 1: Kick to two things. One I could be wrong. I
Speaker 1: obviously don't know the man. I don't think he cares
Speaker 1: about moving.
Speaker 4: He'll like, come on, he travels to Tahiti in Thailand,
Speaker 4: and he lived for fifteen years in Green Bay, Wisconsin,
Speaker 4: and you know he'll be fine for eight months in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: I have a hard time believing that that is going
Speaker 4: to be a.
Speaker 1: Determining factor for him. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just
Speaker 1: I think he'll be fine. He's a very well traveled individual.
Speaker 1: He'll have as much power in the offensive side as
Speaker 1: he wants. Who knows, maybe he'll fire Arthur Smith and
Speaker 1: they'll hire Nathaniel Hackett Like he's an He is the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in and of himself. I think he loves Tomlin.
Speaker 1: I think that they've flirted with each other. They wink
Speaker 1: at each other on the sideline. He shouts him out
Speaker 1: when he does the McAfee interviews. I think he's got
Speaker 1: a respect for him. Conspiracy theory. McAfee today retweeted a
Speaker 1: video of Rogers talking about Tomlin from like twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: I think it's happening. I think it's happening. I think
Speaker 1: he's going to announce it on that show. McAfee is
Speaker 1: a Pittsburgh guy or a Pennsylvania guy, whatever he is.
Speaker 1: He's doing some show in Pittsburgh coming out soon. He's
Speaker 1: going it big night act. I don't fully understand the
Speaker 1: McAfee universe, but like I think Rogers, who's apparently making
Speaker 1: seven figures from the guy, which is amazing, good gig
Speaker 1: if you can get it. I think he's announcing that
Speaker 1: he's going to Pittsburgh with McAfee at his show in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: and he's a Steeler. That's what I think's happened, all right,
Speaker 1: And you're probably right.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you the stuff that matters to me,
Speaker 2: which is, don't have to worry about moving left offensive coach,
Speaker 2: great weapon, and I'm going to have power in the building.
Speaker 2: I'll get a stay in the building. Where do you
Speaker 2: think he wins more football games.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh? Yeah, so I guess. Okay, And this the other
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to say to you, And this is
Speaker 1: like a like developing more as my media career continues
Speaker 1: to just get older or whatever. I root for interesting
Speaker 1: powder keg great, awesome. It is so much more interesting
Speaker 1: if Aaron Rodgers is in Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin that
Speaker 1: you know what point, Like I've said it, I had
Speaker 1: our guys work up a photoshop of him in a
Speaker 1: Steelers uniform the day the season ended. Like to me,
Speaker 1: it's made. Obviously, if Minnesota wants him, that's a better
Speaker 1: situation obviously. So I see him holding I can see
Speaker 1: him holding out for that. I think they're going to go.
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy will see but and the Steelers would be
Speaker 1: on national TV six times. They would be hyper relevant
Speaker 1: and hyper interesting, good or bad, good or bad. So
Speaker 1: I am if he's gonna play and we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about him and he's gonna suck all the oxygen out
Speaker 1: of a room, I would much rather him do it
Speaker 1: on a ten or eleven win team than a five
Speaker 1: or six win team. So I'm personally am rooting for Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting, you and I both. That's you know.
Speaker 1: I like fresh produce. I'm a chef. Just give me
Speaker 1: the best ingredients. That's all I care about.
Speaker 2: Jmack last year before the season said Chicago's the most
Speaker 2: interesting team, and they were early until they were just,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously bad, and then by week like ten,
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, they're not interesting. Let's think about this
Speaker 2: the three most interesting teams next year. So I think
Speaker 2: this year the Bears are really interesting because if Caleb
Speaker 2: struggles again, he may not be the guy.
Speaker 1: In fact, he's probably not so rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I never think the team is too interesting because it's
Speaker 2: going to be ugly and you can't make any stern judgments, like,
Speaker 2: obviously Jane Daniels is terrific, he's Lamar Jackson, NFC.
Speaker 1: It's over. We don't have to argue about that.
Speaker 2: So I think Chicago is my most interesting team.
Speaker 1: Well, then let's get those weekly hits on the TV
Speaker 1: show going Buddy, let's go Chicago. Let me think about
Speaker 1: Let me think about this for a second. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Washington's pretty high on the list.
Speaker 2: I I will say this, I think Kansas City pulling
Speaker 2: back for a year because the offensive line is absolutely
Speaker 2: in flux. Their left tackle has never been a starting
Speaker 2: left tackle. It's like boys, That's honestly, like having a
Speaker 2: Bentley and finding the cheapest insurance on the.
Speaker 1: Market for it.
Speaker 2: It's like, now, just just call progressive or something. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's not go discount insurance. So I think Kansas City.
Speaker 2: I predicted the Niners in Dallas would pull back last
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: They did.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Kansas City is gonna pull back for
Speaker 2: a year. Their offensive line is in flux. I mean,
Speaker 2: if this kid from San Francisco to left tackle doesn't move. Also,
Speaker 2: Joe Tooney may have been the most had more dexterity
Speaker 2: than any offensive lineman in the.
Speaker 1: League last year.
Speaker 2: He's gone. So Chicago Kansas City are fascinating. How about
Speaker 2: this Green Bay. I loved Jordan Love last year. Gave
Speaker 2: me pause. What if Jordan Love struggles this year? Like,
Speaker 2: what if it's about Chicago's better Detroit's really good. As
Speaker 2: long as Kevin O'Connell's coaching Minnesota, they're viable. I like,
Speaker 2: I really like Jordan Love. And then there were times
Speaker 2: I watched them last year and I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 2: don't know if the coaching staff right now trust Jordan Love.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not sure they do. So I'm gonna go Chicago,
Speaker 2: Kansas City, Green Bay, and and and we'll do four,
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, And I don't know how interesting
Speaker 2: they'll be. I think New England Vrabel Drake may A
Speaker 2: basically at thirty percent new roster. I do think you'll
Speaker 2: get Travis Hunter. I think that's going to be a
Speaker 2: pretty damn interesting team. Those are my four Bears, Chiefs, Packers, Patriots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's revisit this after the draft, because I'm
Speaker 1: not at all convinced that the guy that the Chiefs
Speaker 1: paid is for sure the left tackle. I think it's
Speaker 1: for sure the left tackle now, But I could see
Speaker 1: them this is the last year of Kelsey. He's made
Speaker 1: it clear. We don't know how much more Chris Jones
Speaker 1: has in him. Obviously, Mahomes is going to be there,
Speaker 1: and Reed will be there, and they're going to be
Speaker 1: good for a long time. But I could see the
Speaker 1: Chiefs trading up in the first round for a tackle.
Speaker 1: I could see that happening, or end or a tight end. Yes,
Speaker 1: I just think I could see a big draft day
Speaker 1: move for the Chiefs to try to inject a blue
Speaker 1: chip offensive player. So you know where should door Sanders gos?
Speaker 1: How far he falls? Is Dion Sanders like coach in
Speaker 1: waiting like like that? Does your door Sanders fall to
Speaker 1: twenty one and he goes to Pittsburgh and he goes
Speaker 1: to Mike Tomlin and he sits behind Aaron Rodgers then
Speaker 1: they're really damn interesting. Or does he go to the
Speaker 1: Giants and it feels like a mortal lock that Brian
Speaker 1: Davile gets fired and they hired Dion Sanders. Pretty damn
Speaker 1: interesting either way. So I think that we're going to
Speaker 1: change a little bit of this out of the draft.
Speaker 1: I loved what urban Meyer said on your show. By
Speaker 1: the way side, note parenthetical on Travis Hunter. If you
Speaker 1: believe cam Ward is a superstar, then cam Ward's the
Speaker 1: number one pick in the draft. If you have any doubt,
Speaker 1: then clearly Travis Hunter's the number one pick in the draft.
Speaker 1: In my opinion because it's just a value proposition. Like
Speaker 1: if you think he can be a Pro Bowl corner,
Speaker 1: well that's twenty five million a year. And it he
Speaker 1: can also be a slot receiver, well that's fifteen million
Speaker 1: a year, even if he's a slot receiver for twelve
Speaker 1: snaps a game. So I love it, and so I
Speaker 1: think wherever Travis Hunter goes, his team immediately becomes interesting.
Speaker 1: But we's remove the draft from it to get back
Speaker 1: to your point. Obviously, I'm with you on the Bears.
Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs in an all in situation is
Speaker 1: a great pick. The thing that I don't agree with
Speaker 1: on the New England point is is that all the guys,
Speaker 1: the guys that they added are new but not terribly interesting.
Speaker 1: And while I love Drake May, I think he looks
Speaker 1: like Justin Herbert. To me, I was disappointed that they
Speaker 1: didn't figure out a way to get him a number one.
Speaker 1: He has nobody to throw the ball to. And yeah,
Speaker 1: even if the line is better and Morgan Moses upgrades
Speaker 1: their left tackle situation, no doubt, Rabel, they spent all
Speaker 1: that money on like Colin Davis and Splaine and Milton Williams,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, help your quarterback with a rocket arm, please,
Speaker 1: Like now I know God who went back to Tampa.
Speaker 1: They can't help that. I know the Bengals franchise tagged
Speaker 1: T Higgins can't help that. You couldn't beat the fifty
Speaker 1: eighth pick for DK Metcalf like Cooper Cuff. Better be
Speaker 1: a patriot, like do something to help out Drake May
Speaker 1: in terms of pass catchers because he has nothing in
Speaker 1: that regard. So to me, they need some weapon to
Speaker 1: totally get there, and Green Bay is just not new enough,
Speaker 1: like everyone's back Watson Dobbs wis read. They're so young,
Speaker 1: you know, they're so young that there's just not a
Speaker 1: lot of turnover there to make them all that interesting. Though,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely rooting against Jordan Love and the Packers in general,
Speaker 1: just like the Chicago in in me kind of think
Speaker 1: who you let doubt? So, I think Washington. The reason
Speaker 1: I said Washington while you were thinking about it is
Speaker 1: I think Jaden Daniel said the best rookie quarterback season
Speaker 1: of my lifetime. Yes, I think it was better than
Speaker 1: Herbert who set the touchdown.
Speaker 2: Record, better than Andrew Luck three Cam Newton, especially if
Speaker 2: you look at his third down and fourth quarter numbers.
Speaker 2: It's in their Joe Montana his eleventh year in the league,
Speaker 2: they let They led.
Speaker 1: The league in fourth down conversions, fourth down with a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback, they led the league. It was it was remarkable,
Speaker 1: and then he won playoff. He went to the NFC
Speaker 1: Championship game. But the guys who've had amazing rookie seasons recently,
Speaker 1: justin Herbert, it's been up and down.
Speaker 2: C J.
Speaker 1: Stroud this past year he won another playoff game. I
Speaker 1: don't think it was all his fault. He was staring
Speaker 1: at the sky so much as offensive line as the disaster.
Speaker 1: Diggs got hurt, Dell got hurt, Nico Collins got hurt
Speaker 1: at various points. But c J. Stroud did not take
Speaker 1: another step from his rookie year. Well we could say plateaued.
Speaker 1: If Jaden Daniels takes another step like the year two
Speaker 1: in the system, year two in the league jump, well,
Speaker 1: then he's gonna win MVP. He's that he will win
Speaker 1: m VP like Mahomes won m VP his second year
Speaker 1: in the league, like Lamar Jackson won MVP his third
Speaker 1: year in the league. Second year in a system, like
Speaker 1: he will he will be the MVP of the league.
Speaker 2: Well, also, if he's great, not dinner up. But if
Speaker 2: he's great again, then we have found our top five
Speaker 2: quarter corrects. Mahomes Allen Lamar, Burrow, Jaden because we all
Speaker 2: like Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: But we're like, well, the line that I think it's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous. Still, I Eagle Stans got Eagle
Speaker 1: Stans kind of bothered me with this.
Speaker 2: But I don't remember a time most of my life
Speaker 2: there have been three great quarterbacks maybe four in the league,
Speaker 2: and then it kind of peters out and to have
Speaker 2: five first ballot level Hall of Fame talent. If Jayden
Speaker 2: comes out and even duplicates last year with much better
Speaker 2: players around him, then we've got five first ballot guy.
Speaker 2: And by the way, now I'm moving because of his mobility,
Speaker 2: I'm moving Stafford to six. And he I believe he
Speaker 2: especially if he could get in that Super Bowl circle
Speaker 2: again winner lose, You're gonna have a hard time keeping him.
Speaker 1: All I think Stafford, now that he has a ring,
Speaker 1: is pretty I will be shocked if he's not a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer with.
Speaker 2: Where I mean, just think about this, He's not far
Speaker 2: from his prime. Okay for him to be the sixth
Speaker 2: best quarterback in the league, mostly because he doesn't move
Speaker 2: and the other guy's move. The NFL, like I've said this,
Speaker 2: we're in the golden age of quarterbacking, folks. If he's six,
Speaker 2: if Herbert and her seventh, we don't forget about her
Speaker 2: at all time. Hi, by the way, do you have
Speaker 2: a line to Harbaugh?
Speaker 1: Can you like, yeah, can you tell him to throw
Speaker 1: a little bit more? Please? Dude? Yeah, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 1: But you use the Bentley analogy. I know that the
Speaker 1: winning went up, and I know the passer rating was
Speaker 1: very good, and I know he loves to run the ball.
Speaker 1: Can you just from the Football Appreciation Society, don't my guy, well,
Speaker 1: my guy justin Herbert not be twenty sixth in the
Speaker 1: NFL and attempts again or whatever he was. Please?
Speaker 2: Well, they lost Palmer, so now they have lad mcconky.
Speaker 2: They need to tie it end in the first round
Speaker 2: and a receiver in the third. Like it's one of
Speaker 2: those things where and I've said this about Jim Harbaugh,
Speaker 2: it's kind of fascinating. San Francisco Yead Michael Crabtree. It
Speaker 2: was an online d line physicality. John Harbaugh is the
Speaker 2: same way. What's the one thing the Ravens haven't had
Speaker 2: wide receiver talent. They've always been a little shy, the Harbaughs,
Speaker 2: it's their nature. He could have taken Michael Thomas, who
Speaker 2: he loved. It took Joe Old. It's who they are.
Speaker 2: Their DNA is we want to intimidate you, We want
Speaker 2: to physically like like listen, they let go of Mike
Speaker 2: Williams and Keenan Allen. They kept mosting Khalil Mack. That
Speaker 2: was very clear their DNA.
Speaker 1: I know, I just as a guy who loves Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: I want to see the guy throw a little bit more.
Speaker 1: What were we just talking about. I'm sorry, I feel
Speaker 1: like I lost my train of thought on Oh, but
Speaker 1: so Jamee's but Washington. What Houston did off of c. J.
Speaker 1: Stroud's rookie year was correct. Oh my god. We have
Speaker 1: a quarterback. He turned our franchise around. We won a
Speaker 1: playoff game. We have a ton of cap space and
Speaker 1: a stud quarterback who we know we have to pay
Speaker 1: on a cheap deal. Let's go all in and Stefan
Speaker 1: Diggs was crazy expensive. Daniel Hunter was crazy expensive Hey Mixon,
Speaker 1: like Mixon didn't really work. He was fine. It wasn't
Speaker 1: really his fault. The offensive line was a disaster. Diggs
Speaker 1: was working then got hurt. Daniel Hunter was fantastic. Washington
Speaker 1: is in the exact same spot, and we've now seen
Speaker 1: what they've done. Like they debo, we're going to give
Speaker 1: Kingsbury and Terry McLaurin and Jade and Daniels, We're going
Speaker 1: to give them a toy and see how it works.
Speaker 1: We are going to trade a ton of capital for
Speaker 1: one of the best pass blocking left tackles of his
Speaker 1: generation to protect our investment. And then they paid kin
Speaker 1: Law I think too much money, but they didn't want
Speaker 1: to get too much weaker on the defensive line when
Speaker 1: they lost Allen and they brought in Kinlaw. So maybe
Speaker 1: they'll do one more trade or for a move or whatever.
Speaker 1: But they're going to maintain Catholics. But but we've seen their
Speaker 1: moves detackle, left tackle, Deebo Samuel, plus what they had
Speaker 1: in the draft, they're better. And Philly got worse. Now,
Speaker 1: Philly got worse by design and we know it and
Speaker 1: they should because they didn't want to pay Williams one
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars so they could pay Jalen Carter one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars next year. Philly's top ten
Speaker 1: players are still all excellent. They deserve to be the favorite.
Speaker 1: But I think that what Jaden Daniels did, and like
Speaker 1: year two, does it plateau, does it go down? Does
Speaker 1: it go up? Because he's got way more talent and
Speaker 1: he should be only more comfortable in the NFL. So
Speaker 1: of the to me, they are very high on my
Speaker 1: list of interesting, the division, the teams they play, sleeping vans,
Speaker 1: the ownership change, like Washington's very high on my list
Speaker 1: of interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jade and Daniels the quarterback reminds me of Sean
Speaker 2: McVay the coach. Like you're like a month in and
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, he's way ahead of where he should be.
Speaker 2: Like McVeigh was going up against good coaches and you're like,
Speaker 2: how are they so bad last year? And how are
Speaker 2: they like going when he had golf go toe to
Speaker 2: toe with Mahomes at the Coliseum, remember because there was
Speaker 2: going to be a game in Mexico, and you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: we're looking at maybe the greatest young coach by far
Speaker 2: in league history. Maybe John Madden, Sean McVay. You know,
Speaker 2: people have said, you guys are getting high on him.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, Like like I can remember Jordan's
Speaker 2: rookie year and it's like, oh, that's I haven't seen that,
Speaker 2: Like the hand size, his just his ability to just
Speaker 2: play hard every second on the floor, which urban Meyer
Speaker 2: says that about Travis Hunter. It's like sixty fifth snap,
Speaker 2: he's literally racing down the field blocking people, like he
Speaker 2: has a motor that never stops. I think Jayden Daniels
Speaker 2: is one of those, Oh yeah, this is this is
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. I watched Lamar his first year. He started
Speaker 2: week eleven. They got to the playoffs, and I went
Speaker 2: and watched him in person. I think it was against
Speaker 2: the Chargers.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't know how to defend him.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, everybody was like on eggshales, like
Speaker 2: don't commit.
Speaker 1: It was the non committal defense like he was. He
Speaker 1: was terrifying people. The rookie quarterbacks who have won at
Speaker 1: a very high level. You know, Dak Prescott had that
Speaker 1: awesome winning rookie season where he didn't really throw any interceptions,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, big Ben, every rookie quarterback who's won big
Speaker 1: in my lifetime. They weren't the reason, none of them
Speaker 1: like they weren't, except but chance's my point. That's fine
Speaker 1: and luck, but one big like they in the NFC
Speaker 1: Championship game. They won nine one score games this year.
Speaker 1: He was like fourth quarter comebacks, third down, fourth down passing,
Speaker 1: running playoff wins. Now like listen, the counter argument is
Speaker 1: nine to one score playoff game, not nine to one
Speaker 1: score wins. And they beat Tampa by three in the
Speaker 1: wildcard round. They lose that game, we are at least
Speaker 1: having a little bit more doubt about about Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1: But I just I'm I'm not going to invoke Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: But I also was two when Michael Jordan was a rookie,
Speaker 1: So I'm not completely dismissing what you're saying, but I
Speaker 1: just I'm with you. I'm pretty positive he's great and
Speaker 1: his team should be much better in terms of around him,
Speaker 1: when again.
Speaker 2: Well, they won't be in as many one score games.
Speaker 2: So the truth is, you go, oh, they were nine
Speaker 2: and one in one score games. They will not be
Speaker 2: in ten one score games, and so.
Speaker 1: To me, that's that's They're just again the whole premise
Speaker 1: was like most interesting. I'm with you on Bears, I'm
Speaker 1: with you on the Chiefs, I'm less so Patriots, and
Speaker 1: and I know we're just doing this off the top
Speaker 1: of our head, but Washington is very, very high on
Speaker 1: the list. Trying to think of the AFC team that
Speaker 1: you left out, I mean, listen, I think I do
Speaker 1: think Harvall Herbert is incredibly compelling. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: win their division. You think they're gonna beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Chiefs. Listen, I I think, I
Speaker 2: mean yeah, I think, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But you know, there were static in his ear.
Speaker 1: He didn't really have it.
Speaker 2: But I do think to win like they did last year,
Speaker 2: they went from the worst defense to like the third best.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, that was all coaching. It was the
Speaker 2: exact same players, and you know that they not every
Speaker 2: defensive player knew that system. Wrote like some of these
Speaker 2: young guys are like, hey man, we are learning on
Speaker 2: the fly here. So I just think they also will
Speaker 2: draft as well as anybody in this sport for the
Speaker 2: next two years because of Harbaugh's connection to college football.
Speaker 2: So I think they're gonna go get four to five
Speaker 2: I mean last year they went in the fifth round
Speaker 2: and got two corners, Like both can play. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: they're gonna draft different than everybody else. It's the Pete
Speaker 2: Carroll out of USC. The first four years they hit
Speaker 2: on everybody, Like third, fourth, fifth, sixth, they were hitting
Speaker 2: on everybody. It's one of those built in advantages and
Speaker 2: I think it will pay dividends again this year.
Speaker 1: Are you a believer in Pete Carroll? This time around?
Speaker 2: There are ceilings with Pete. His fascination with Gino Smith
Speaker 2: is his ceiling. He doesn't care enough about quarterbacks as
Speaker 2: I don't think. I think the difference between offensive coaches
Speaker 2: and defensive coaches in this league is the urgency at quarterback.
Speaker 2: I mean Andy Reid's moving off a pro bowler, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Sean McVay is moving off Jared Goff. Defensive coaches, you
Speaker 2: get me Gino Hey, I can win a lot of
Speaker 2: games with Gino, and I think I mean, I mean
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn, Hey, I can win a lot of games
Speaker 2: with Justin Field. I think defensive coaches think differently. It's
Speaker 2: in their DNA, and I think Pete looks at Gino
Speaker 2: as hey man, he'll he'll complete a bunch of passes,
Speaker 2: stay out of trouble. And I just so I think
Speaker 2: Pete that's the ceiling for Pete, that that would infuriate me.
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlins got a lot of this. He just I mean,
Speaker 2: right now Steters don't have a quarterback Ron Revere. In Washington,
Speaker 2: I got Sam Howe.
Speaker 1: I think Gino's underrated because he was under pressure more
Speaker 1: than basically any quarterback in football the last three years
Speaker 1: and still completed sixty eight percent of his passes and
Speaker 1: won a bunch of games and threw for a bunch
Speaker 1: of yards. So I think Geno's underrated. But he's obviously
Speaker 1: not great, and he's older. And I'm with you in
Speaker 1: your overall premise. There's obviously a million differences between someone
Speaker 1: like me and these athletes and coaches. Obviously that doesn't
Speaker 1: need be said, but I'll say it anyway. But one
Speaker 1: of the biggest differences beyond the athleticism is I would
Speaker 1: be like, I'm gonna go coach against Andy Reid, Sean
Speaker 1: Payton and Jim Harbaugh and Bo Nicks, Justin Herbert and
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, like the right the path to winning seems
Speaker 1: borderline impossible. Like borderline impossible. These guys clearly don't think
Speaker 1: that way. They clearly have such ego belief confidence. Wherever
Speaker 1: that line blurs between delusion and confidence, all of these
Speaker 1: guys seem to have it. They are the one percent
Speaker 1: of the one percent. But like when people like Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers should go quarterback the Raiders, I was like, I
Speaker 1: think he's smarter than that. I don't think he wants
Speaker 1: to go to a team with a ceiling that is
Speaker 1: seven wins, Like what is the best? And I'm rambling.
Speaker 1: But when Max Crosby was like, I want to be
Speaker 1: a Raider for life, a small part of me I
Speaker 1: think less of you. Like it's cool, it's cool, it's admirable.
Speaker 1: Your name will be in the Ring of Honor. But
Speaker 1: I'm bummed. I want to see Max Crosby in his
Speaker 1: prime on a great team. Miles Garrett, it was just
Speaker 1: about the money. You could have gotten the money without
Speaker 1: saying you didn't want to go from Cleveland to Canton.
Speaker 1: They were gonna pay you. You said you wanted to win,
Speaker 1: and then you're back in football. I want to see
Speaker 1: these guys be straight mercenaries and see the best players
Speaker 1: in their prime play on the best teams, and I
Speaker 1: know that these guys don't run from challenges, but I
Speaker 1: was like Pete Carroll at his age thinks he can
Speaker 1: turn the Raiders into a winner in that division with
Speaker 1: no quarterback, Like, I think you're crazy. I think he's crazy. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way he wins big in that spot.
Speaker 2: Right, He'll argue, we got to play these guys anyway.
Speaker 2: If we're any good in the AFC, you're gonna might
Speaker 2: as well face them two times, have them have our
Speaker 2: kind of you know, I think. I mean, Chip Kelly
Speaker 2: told me he looked at the Raiders Chiefs games every
Speaker 2: play and he told me we can match up with him.
Speaker 2: He goes, if we get a good quarterback, we can
Speaker 2: match up with him. He goes, We had them beat twice,
Speaker 2: So I think, and I do think Kansas City last
Speaker 2: year was beeatable.
Speaker 1: So I know. Listen, the league is designed for parody,
Speaker 1: and a big favorite in the NFL is ten points,
Speaker 1: so of course there's there is there is some truth
Speaker 1: to it. But you got a cleaner path in the
Speaker 1: AFC South. You know, you just like like teams most
Speaker 1: likely to host the playoff game next year, if you
Speaker 1: had to, there's one hundred grand on the table. You
Speaker 1: get to pick it up if you're right.
Speaker 2: Buffalo, Buffalo, Baltimore, Houston, Philadelphia, let's see.
Speaker 1: I think Ragget, but I think Baltimore and Philly like
Speaker 1: at least in those situations, it's like, well, Burrow is there,
Speaker 1: Jayden is there, like they there's those. They've real other
Speaker 1: teams like Buffalo's the number one pick. Buffalo's won the
Speaker 1: division five years in a row. They've got the MVP
Speaker 1: of the league, They've got the most talent. No other
Speaker 1: team is particularly compelling. I think Houston might be my
Speaker 1: number two pick. Rest of the AFC South sucks, and
Speaker 1: I think Kansas City should still be there. Like I'm
Speaker 1: surprised to hear you having the Chargers catching them, But
Speaker 1: it's just I would be looking for do I have
Speaker 1: a quarterback, like if I was looking for a job,
Speaker 1: Do I have a quarterback? And do I have a
Speaker 1: path to winning? Like a reasonable path to winning? And
Speaker 1: I was so I don't think that there is really
Speaker 1: one in Vegas. Danny Parkins, that was a good hour anytime, buddy.
Speaker 1: This was fun as always. The volume