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Speaker 1: delicious podcast on this side of tim back too. I'm,

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Speaker 1: of course referring to Stradio Lab Welcome, Hunties, Hunts and Queens. Um, well, George,

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Speaker 1: did you have a gorgeous um Thanksgiving? With the listeners

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Speaker 1: are begging to know? Did you come out to Matthew's parents? Wait, okay,

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Speaker 1: I just watched um that lesbian Christmas movie? How was it?

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Speaker 1: It was awful? Um, you're of course referring to the

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Speaker 1: happiest seasons during Christmas, and so you does this? Is

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Speaker 1: this a notch against Kristin Stewart? Then no, because I

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Speaker 1: actually think she was fine. I truly think that everyone

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Speaker 1: Claia Duval. Okay, it was a movie that was like

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Speaker 1: written by an algorithm that was trained on other Christmas.

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Speaker 1: When you try to figure out what was wrong with it,

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Speaker 1: I feel like the premises like a good premise for

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Speaker 1: and it just like completely fell flat to me. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think it's pretty obvious that this is

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Speaker 1: just your auntie lesbian bias coming through, So you can't

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Speaker 1: still pitching it, and I think the window is still there,

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Speaker 1: like maybe a vulture or um, you know, a you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll go directly to substack to my followers, um well

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Speaker 1: I feel about Emily in Paris and the Queen's Gambit,

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Speaker 1: are Emilliam Paris? No, it's insane. It's like it's it's

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Speaker 1: worth watching because it's so dark. It really shows like, um,

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Speaker 1: like it's really worth seeing, um just without any charm

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Speaker 1: Netflix industrial complex, Like what is like, is our thing

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Speaker 1: there it is, So tell me what's depressing you? Well,

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Speaker 1: I got I got soft canceled this weekend. Well, that's right,

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Speaker 1: I um tweeted I watched um Lord of the Rings

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Speaker 1: it's a great story of um the little guys that could.

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Speaker 1: I watched it at a very um impressionable age, and

424
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Speaker 1: I actually think it had a huge impact on me.

425
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Speaker 1: I don't think it had a huge impact on me.

426
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: I remember scenes vividly, Yeah, And it felt incredibly subversive, right,

427
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: this is like coming off the heels of like the

428
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: Donnie Darko era. I vividly remember the split screen, the

429
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Speaker 1: split screen. Do you want to know a secret? That

430
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: split screen used to be my Facebook cover photo? Wow?

431
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: Wow wow wow wow wow. Ruff. I would say, if

432
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: you're talking Facebook cover photos, I've had some bad ones.

433
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: Just to give you an idea of Sam, of what

434
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about. The split screen is between Shannon Sessamon

435
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: aforementioned and James Vanderbeek. Oh god, um that it's a

436
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: different split screen that I remember. Oh well, I the

437
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: one I'm thinking of is it. There's a split screen

438
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: and the camera and each of the halves follows both

439
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: of them starting their day, so they wake up in

440
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: different beds, they go take a shower, breast or chief, whatever,

441
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: and then go about the days about their days, and

442
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: then it ends with them facing each other, and then

443
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: the split split screen becomes one screen. That's I remember

444
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: a smaller, briefer split screen that came later in that movie.

445
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: I remember the the James Vanderbeek in his dorm room

446
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: and the gay character fantasizing about hooking up with Oh yes,

447
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: and then sure lost and that was sort of one

448
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: could argue the the parent of the Five Days of

449
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: Summer Expectation reality split screen. Yes, absolutely so once against Sam.

450
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: What's happening in that split screen is that there is

451
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: a gay character and he's looking at James Vanderbeek, and

452
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: then one side of the split screen is like, what's happening?

453
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: I think, what's actually happening? And on the other side

454
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: is his fantasy of James Vanderbeek, like actually having sex

455
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: with him, but there was actually no sex. I think

456
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: that like one of them took their sweater off. Oh no,

457
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: and then made yes yes yeah wow, which is really

458
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: cool in Georgia's culture, that is sex. Yeah exactly wow.

459
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: Drag me anyway, I got sorry to talk about a

460
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: movie you haven't seen, Sam George, What do you eat?

461
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: What in the tinfoil behind you? What did you eat? Oh?

462
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: I made um homemade spina copy does What's that? It's

463
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: like a spinach a savory spinach pie? Is it the

464
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: flaky kind? I made my own dough. Yeah, well the

465
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: one I made is less flaky than I think people

466
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: would imagine. I made kind of individual size ones that

467
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: are I would say, like phallically shaped. Um. But yeah,

468
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: I made my own dough and I made my own

469
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: filling and it took a day and it failed, and

470
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: then I made it again and it succeeded. It was

471
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: his Thanksgiving thing. Well, hello, thank you for asking. I

472
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: did make it. I did attempt to make it for Thanksgiving.

473
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: That was the time that failed, so I ended up

474
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: bringing wine. And then the next day I made it

475
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: only for myself and it succeeded. Was everyone tested at

476
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: your Thanksgiving? I was not. I yes, we all tested,

477
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a group. It was just me and

478
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: my boyfriend and his parents who live in Manhattan. Um,

479
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: and that that concludes a segment of my podcast. That's

480
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: how my podcast would go. That. That's a really incredible

481
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: I thought you were interested in my baking and cooking,

482
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: and I know I am really not interested in anyone's baking.

483
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: I thought I knew that about you. I thought that

484
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: you got had gotten like delivery from somewhere. Oh no, no, no,

485
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: which I think, Um, you know, because we back to

486
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: my point, yea who is always thinking about that food delivery.

487
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't care what you're baking, but he doesn't care

488
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: about the food delivery. Um. I think this actually is

489
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: a weirdly natural segue into what is potentially our topic today.

490
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: If we want to be so, we should probably not bad.

491
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, it is dropping fast, though honestly it's a

492
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: fickle like I had to go. I think it went

493
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: from a hundred to eighty much faster than from eight

494
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: to seventy one. It drops faster when we're being boring,

495
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: it slows down when we're being fun interesting because I

496
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: would actually say the eight we were being more fun

497
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: than me describing my spanic open. But that's just me. Sorry,

498
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: I took a leap and I guessed, um um, so

499
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: we you know, kind of forced this topic upon you,

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00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: um by virtue of knowing that you, uh despise many

501
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: of these things. Um, we have decided on holidays for you.

502
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: I would love to hear sort of your background on holidays, uh,

503
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: sort of your general mood towards them off the bat

504
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: okay uh which holiday specifically, because I don't love and

505
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: you don't dislike all holidays. Wait just very quickly to say,

506
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: I realized we never give any context for anything, and

507
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: that's fine because you know, we actually don't need to. Um,

508
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: but I did want to say, you know, this is

509
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: the part of the podcast where a guest discussed and

510
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: a guest with us. We all discussed a straight topic. George,

511
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You know what? I'm not being weird.

512
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: I realized that some people don't understand why we discussed

513
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: the topics we discussed, and I wanted to. And also

514
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: people don't know what the that It's not that it's

515
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: people think it's called stratio lab and they don't then

516
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: understand that it's about straight things. So I want to

517
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: establish clearly what the parameters are. If they're listening to

518
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: Julio up with for Success, I'm upset if they're listening

519
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: to this episode right now and they're like just now

520
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: learning what this all is about, that's insane. Counterpoint, counter detail.

521
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: What if they're listening because you know they are fans

522
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: of Julio's uh potentially he retweeted it wink wink, and

523
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: then they click on it and they have no idea

524
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: who we are. They say, I want to listen to

525
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: my favorite comedian, Julio torres I. This is very helpful

526
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: because I did not know that those were the parameters

527
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: or the lens through which this point, I mean, a

528
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: great example of someone who's never listened to the podcast Julio,

529
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: or any podcast or any podcast Julio. What did you

530
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: think the context for having a topic was, Oh, just

531
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, Sam and George want to talk about something.

532
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: That was the initial title of the podcast actually, and

533
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: I would say that's a more accurate that's a more

534
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: accurate title. But we were we hired a consultant, but

535
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: we're still you know, or in a lot of debt

536
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: because of that. Um. But it was a consult it

537
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: was someone imagine kind of um Catherine Hahn playing uh

538
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: like a like a funny version of a of a

539
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: political consultant. And let's say Parks and Recreation. We hired

540
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: that and she said you have to not name it.

541
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: Sam and George talk about something, and she came up with,

542
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: what is the opposite of you think of what the

543
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: opposite of? You think of what the extreme is? And

544
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: and you were like straight, okay, okay, and then that's

545
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: how there. Okay, Yeah, so you know it's our podcast

546
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: being about straight topics is like barely you know, like

547
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: I I don't need to like lean on it hard,

548
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: Like I don't feel like we need to give context

549
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: to the listeners because it's like they if they actually

550
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: come here for that, they'll probably be disappointed. Yeah if

551
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: I come here. But I mean, first of all, our

552
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: podcast in general is I would say, a study in

553
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: media literacy, because it's like, can you tell that advertising

554
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: is fake? Like can you read this podcast description? And no, okay,

555
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm smart, this is this does not describe what I'm about.

556
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: It's like it's you know, it's like um, it's a

557
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: way to weed out the absolute morons. And I was

558
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: gonna say, uh, the it's fine if you had had

559
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: like very narrow parameters for the podcast in the first

560
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: couple of episodes and then it just sort of became

561
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: about what you want to do. Um And the only

562
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: example that comes to mind of something that has done

563
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: this is how um uh Pink chose her name to

564
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: be Pink, and she started out with pink hair, but

565
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: soon it was really neither here nor dare whether her

566
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: hair remained pink or not. That's a very good that's

567
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: a really good point. We kind of did the opposite.

568
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: We started out cookie I didn't define our parameters at all,

569
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: and now we're trying to retroactively make it all makes sense. Yeah,

570
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of other examples, much like Pink,

571
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: who started with a specific idea and then it became

572
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: too broad. Imagine if the show Friends, like after the

573
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: first season, like they all stopped being friends and it

574
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: just followed each of them in their own individual lives

575
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: many ways. HBO's Girls feels like that because they were

576
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: actually new. You know, it wasn't growing there for like

577
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: a decade, right, you know, so Juli Lee Wood Dryfus

578
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: was not the VEEP. She eventually actually became president, and

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00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: they didn't change the name of the show to the Pread.

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00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: There you go. That's a really great, great example. I

581
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: would say, you know Duncan donuts, Um, they breakfast foods

582
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: and h Bagels. Well, they abandoned donuts. They abandoned donuts.

583
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: That's on their knee. Yeah, yeah, KFC. Any other example,

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00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: Sam that you want to add Burger King Burger King. Now, Sam,

585
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: you're not understanding what we're doing, Sam, Sam food restaurant exactly. Yeah, Sam,

586
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: you've gotta you've gotta fail a little more attention to

587
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: your podcast. Burger King, you gotta stuff more than just

588
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think burger King is less like

589
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: Pink and more like has failed this critical thinking exam hard.

590
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: It's just not fair. The rules are for shaking this

591
00:39:52,280 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: other stuff. I am circling your answer in red. I

592
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: have to come to your office, and I am concerned.

593
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: I am I am concerned that after the master you're

594
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: still not understanding it is basic, basic analogies. I would say,

595
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: you would not do well on the verbal section of

596
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: the SAP, not at all. Oh my god. But Burking

597
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: does other stuff. One of the worst examples building right,

598
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: we were also technically listening buildings. But that's not that's

599
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: not what that was. Oh god? Okay, So Julio, which

600
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: holidays do you dislike? Which ones do you like? And

601
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: which ones are straight test h and which ones are

602
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: what straightest? Straightest straightest? I like Halloween? Okay, I like

603
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: New Year's. I like New Year's, Um, that might be it.

604
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: I dislike Thanksgiving and I dislike Christmas? Got it? What

605
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: are your parameters? What makes you like or dislike a holiday? Um,

606
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't like that. Uh. Thanksgiving and Christmas both have this,

607
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: I think very Uh. They are rooted in things I

608
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: don't like to celebrate or believe in. Their their histories

609
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: are rooted in things that I don't feel comfortable observing.

610
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: And they are also observed in a way that uh,

611
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: I straight up don't enjoy meanings sitting around the table

612
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: and eating, and yet you're always ordering food, So I

613
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,479
Speaker 1: think that's really interesting. But then I'm always ordering food

614
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: for one at a time where no one else is eating.

615
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: I could never imagine Julio ordering and saying and looking

616
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: at me and saying, do you want anything? No, I've

617
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: done that. I have been there. I have literally been there,

618
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: he said, I got at a mom a for the table. Huh. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of a mini holiday. In many ways, that's

620
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: a holiday. In many ways, it's a holiday, I guess. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I don't like, uh, Thanksgiving. And sort of that's

622
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: different because it's new to me because I have only

623
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: I've been in the US for like ten years, so

624
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: I have only ever had the ability to observe it

625
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: for like the last ten years. But I I really

626
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: dislike it. Yeah, and I don't. And what the other

627
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: thing I don't like is this sort of like compromise,

628
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: like wink wink versions of it. It's like, no, we

629
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: know that that actually didn't happen in Thanksgiving, and no,

630
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: we know that histories actually was actually very unfair and

631
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: more complicated than that. And but we can you know,

632
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: it's a about your friends, and we can make it, Vegan,

633
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: and we can make this Vegan said, No, I don't

634
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: want any of it that you're kind of all or

635
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: nothing like. Since you don't believe that Thanksgiving is literally

636
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: about pilgrims and Native Americans coming together for a feast,

637
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: then it has no value to me. Yeah, sure, but

638
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: you do believe in um the virgin birth right. Absolutely yes,

639
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: an angel came to her, uh and and and and

640
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: announced it. Um that one's true, right, guys, uh and

641
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: I dislike Christmas for the for the same reason. And

642
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: I also like, I'm realizing that both of these holidays

643
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: are like riddled with like clutter. There's so much like stuff,

644
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: there's so much don't like clutter that much, I know

645
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: about you like that. There's there's just so much like

646
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: like paths, like like pots and and pants and and

647
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: and Uh. I hate Christmas that care aations. I hete

648
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: how clutter they are. I hate all the It's just

649
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: just just messy. I don't like it, you know. I'm

650
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you can't even like a Christmas decoration. I mean,

651
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: I know you love a glitter, a sparkle. What about Yeah,

652
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: what about one of those kind of silver Christmas trees

653
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: that seems like something you would like? No, I guess

654
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't respond to pines. Really, yeah, I don't.

655
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: That makes one of us. Um, you said that in

656
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: a tone that implies it's a double entendre. But I

657
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: think maybe you're just literally saying you like pines more

658
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: than Julio. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm literally just saying

659
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: I like pines. You know, I'm trying to inject a

660
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: touch of fun, and you know I have I have it.

661
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: I have an idea for injecting a touch of fun.

662
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: And feel free to shut me down completely. I have

663
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: in front of me the Wikipedia page for list of

664
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 1: national holidays in the United States. I think it would

665
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: be fun to go through them and assign each of

666
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: them on a on the Kinsey scale, whether they are

667
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: one heterosexual through six homosexual. Okay, sure one. One very

668
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: last thing about Christmas and Thanksgiving, that sort of sort

669
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: of bouncing off of what you're about to do, is uh,

670
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: they both in my mind. And I know that I

671
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: am objectively wrong because everyone in the US observes these holidays.

672
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: But in my mind, Thanksgiving it's a conservative holiday and

673
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: Christmas is a centrist slash neoliberal friendly holiday. Whoa and that,

674
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: And I am talking about my feelings. I am not

675
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: talking about fact. I am so I so believe the

676
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: opposite is true. I feel like Christmas is the ultimate

677
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: conservative holiday because it's the less secular one, and I

678
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: think Thanksgiving is neoliberal because it is like secularly religious

679
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: in a way. It's like all it's essentially all the

680
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: elements of a Christmas, but superficially taking God out of it.

681
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: But when I think about, like who defends them? I

682
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: think I think is the lens that Williams through which

683
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Sam, what do you think? I was reflecting

684
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: back on that burger king line again? Um, you still

685
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: not know why you got that wrong? I think, Um no,

686
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: I think everything you're saying is making sense. I feel

687
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: like which one of us were disagreeing? This is so unfair, Sam,

688
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: I swear to God I'm a smart person. I swear

689
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: to God I'm a smart person. Is your breakdown is

690
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: just you saying I swear to God I'm a smart

691
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: person and then you break down? This is so I think.

692
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: I think that I think that people can be smart

693
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: in different ways. Oh my god, you know when people

694
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: are like some people are emotionally intelligent, others are real intelligent.

695
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: Um well, I think I switched back and forth on

696
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: which holidays are like, I don't know, neoliberal or whatever.

697
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: Like I like, sometimes I'll be like, Okay, Thanksgiving is

698
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: the good holiday because it like isn't about God, and

699
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: it like is like just about like getting together. Like well,

700
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: I guess the part that I don't like about Thanksgiving

701
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: is uh that it uh puts forward the myth of

702
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: the goodness of American history. Right, It's like it just

703
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: keeps saying No, everything good, everything, everything fine, everyone happy? Sure, right?

704
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: I do wish there could just be like a you know,

705
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 1: a more realistic rebrand, Like I don't I like having

706
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: like a day to be like today we're gonna get

707
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: together and treat it like it's a different day. Can

708
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: I make a suggestion about that? Yes? Please? Straight up?

709
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: Any weekend? Oh my god, Julio. I love my weekends.

710
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: Of course I treat them like a holiday. But I

711
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: want it's just a special day, you know. I do

712
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: want to say there is a way to sub and

713
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: not to get too serious. But before my family moved

714
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: back to Grace, when we were still living in that's right,

715
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: New Jersey, we would often have Thanksgiving. It would be

716
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: our family, Greek immigrants, and a friend of my parents

717
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: whose family were all Indian immigrants, and so it was

718
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: a table of all immigrants coming together celebrating some idea

719
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: of Thanksgiving. But hopefully detached from all the toxic parts

720
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: of it. What do you have to say about that? Um,

721
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: I think that could have happened any day. Sure, but

722
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: everyone has like work off, like it's like, you know,

723
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: like scheduling wise, like having a holiday helps. I feel

724
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: they've never done it for best steal day. I mean sure,

725
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: if we want to scrap Thanksgiving and commit the best

726
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: deal day, I'm down for that. I just want us

727
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: all to pick a day. I want everyone to agree.

728
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: I like the Okay, Okay, wait, are we gonna run

729
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: through the holidays? Okay, let's we can do like Kinsey

730
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: scale one through six. One is heterosexual, six is homosexual.

731
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: And then if you have like a little, a little

732
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: reasoning behind it, that's okay too. If not, that's fine, Okay,

733
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: let's go. I'm sorry. In the Kinsey scales, zero or

734
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: one equals what one is straight, six is gay. I

735
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: thought zero was straight. Is that true? Hold on, let

736
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: me look it up. Uh, yes, zero to six, So

737
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: zero is straight, zero straight, six is gay? God, Okay,

738
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: Christmas three, there's so much costumery. I would yeah, I

739
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: would agree. I think a three. I think a three

740
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: makes sense. But at the same time, I wouldn't call

741
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: Christmas by, you know what I mean. I would call

742
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: Christmas by and Polly great. Thanksgiving very straight, the straight

743
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: as it can be. I would say Thanksgiving is very straight. Zero.

744
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: Mother's Day zero zero, Okay, I would say three, because

745
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: there's a feminine energy. Easter zero six. I think Easter's

746
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: in terms of pageantry coming back from the dead is

747
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: pretty up there. I would say like a five or

748
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: six negative six, Yeah, yes, correct, Father's Day that's a

749
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: tough one. Daddy's m m hot four zero, Halloween uh five, agreed, correct,

750
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day right in the middle. Three in the middle.

751
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: I would say like one. I would actually say Valentine's

752
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: Day is a zero. Sat Patrick's Day zero, New Year's

753
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: Eve three three or four h Labor Day right in

754
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: the middle. Three. Okay. That's all that they have on

755
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: this um, on this Wikipedia. It seems wrong because I

756
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: can think of other holidays off the top of my head, right. Well,

757
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Then we get into like religious specific

758
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, what's Ramadan. I don't know enough

759
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: about Ramadan me neither from where around Christmas? Maybe what

760
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: if I randomly knew a lot about Ramadon? What if

761
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: I after that whole burger king gaff I then and

762
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: uh fixed it all by knowing a ton about Ramadan?

763
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: What I'll say about Ramadan and about Hanka and about

764
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: holidays that last more than one days. I do think

765
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: that's generally I think of that as gay or longer. Yeah,

766
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: I think that's straighter. Really why, uh, I think of

767
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: things that drag on? That's straight straight? Yeah? Yeah, Well

768
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: but what about like you know, RuPaul's career, it's a

769
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: it's a straight straight and I guess that's true. Yeah,

770
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: would you describe it as dragging on? I feel like

771
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't describe it as such, But go off. I

772
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: think that I think that you were making ake that

773
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: you can drag pun. I know, I'm I'm you, guys,

774
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: this is unfair. This is unfair. I wait, why are

775
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: you mad? Now? Yeah? It's okay. Well, you know, I

776
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: feel like I'm miscommunicating over and over again, and um

777
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: it's jarring. Honestly, I feel a little um insane. And

778
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: you you started the podcast coming off of a frustration

779
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: of miscommunications, So it seems like this pattern you should

780
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: you should sit with it with the discomfort for a

781
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: little bit that's true, and try to think about now

782
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: you are, Julio, Now you are exactly in the zone

783
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: you were last time we recorded, where you're actually just

784
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: hurting Sam with your words. No. I just you know,

785
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: he is constantly miscommunicating or or constantly unable to express himself.

786
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: He is constantly miscommunicating or unable to explore, unable to

787
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: express Um. That is interesting, Um, you know, just just

788
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: for real time's sake, Um, Julio, I'd love for you

789
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: to just sort of describe um our pros and cons

790
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: as podcast hosts. Uh, it's I actually don't remember doing

791
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: this at all, Okay, so it's kind of a vision

792
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: kind of black out, your eyes rolled back in your

793
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: head and you decided to just that I have to

794
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: take them down and not I Uh, I think that

795
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: there are a lot of there are a lot of

796
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: gray areas in in your guys opinions about what this

797
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: podcast you read. Okay, I would love to hear more.

798
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: It seems like there are a lot of blanks that

799
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: that I think that maybe with time it doesn't have

800
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: to be a hard conversation, but uh, a different point

801
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: of views are are are the how do I put

802
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: this there's a negative space. Sure. Uh. That was sometimes

803
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: you often wander into and they're like, what's this and

804
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: then the question is not answered and then you move on. Okay,

805
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say about that. Do you do you

806
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: find I kind of think it's like fun to be um,

807
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: a little messy and a little um deconstructed. Uh. And

808
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: I think we sort of do that that gray stuff

809
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: on purpose, um, because we like to be a little undefined,

810
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: because we think it makes it interesting. Have you even

811
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: heard of come to Garson? Well, I was gonna say,

812
00:55:52,800 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: there's uh uh, there's this like project runway. Ask uh

813
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: that I'm I mean inside of here nor there. But

814
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: one of one of the one of the contestants kept

815
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: pinning the dress as opposed to actually sewing it, and

816
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: she kept beings and she kept being questioned about it. Uh,

817
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: and she she kept arguing that it was it was intentional,

818
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: which might be true or not, but at the end

819
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: of the day that the dress was still fabric pinned. Uh. Yeah.

820
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: So so that so that is my my counterpoint to you, Sam.

821
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: So your kind point is that though it may be

822
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: on purpose, it is not necessarily effective, yes, which is

823
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: uh an argument that I'm making not about the podcast,

824
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: but about your point in the abstract. I'm lost. So

825
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: you mentioned in negative space. Do you think what's an

826
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: example of a negative space that we get lost in?

827
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: Maybe in this episode? Uh, the whole idea of what

828
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: the title means and how much it informs what the

829
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: what the content of the podcast is. Also, I might

830
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: argue you are fishing for these you are you are

831
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: going going out of your way to put me in

832
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: the position of the critic. Uh, And I am. I

833
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: am simply answering questions that, well, you certainly fit the part. Yeah,

834
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: have the shoe fits? I sell. I celebrate this. I'm

835
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: not a critic. I'm I'm celebrating it. Well, Julio, after

836
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: that rousing analysis, who would you say is less good

837
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: at expressing themselves? You or Sam? Sam? No, this is

838
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: so messed up. You know, I'm trying to be a buffer.

839
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be you know, I'm doing the hard job,

840
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: which is, you know, bringing the the joy, the energy. Um.

841
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: You know, without me, this all falls apart. I'm I'm

842
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Speaker 1: the foil um. I'm uh. And in that sense, I say,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not a glamorous position. And sometimes I

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Speaker 1: look a fool, But I would argue that I I

845
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Speaker 1: do think now you're overthinking it. Oh um, well something

846
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: about all that stuff. Okay, Jul, your thoughts again again.

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Speaker 1: I am concerned about the I am concerned about your answers. Okay,

848
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Speaker 1: how how come? Well, there's just sort of a it

849
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Speaker 1: is concerning. Um, you know how if you if you

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Speaker 1: were to be a teacher, right and you get like

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Speaker 1: a student that clearly didn't study and it clearly just

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Speaker 1: like phoned it in, and then like another student that

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Speaker 1: troyed really hard wait and this and no not it in.

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Speaker 1: You're the one song really hard and doesn't seem to

855
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Speaker 1: again because I I still I'm still concerned that you

856
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: don't understand why burger king was a wrong answer. I

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Speaker 1: I worry that you think it was the wrong answer,

858
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Speaker 1: because I'm telling you it was the wrong answer, but critically,

859
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Speaker 1: you don't understand why it was the wrong answer. I

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00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: was thinking specifically of that. You know, burging makes like

861
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: chicken fries now you know, like they're known for other stuffs.

862
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: Were still and you are now defending yourself. I did

863
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: not know this was coming. I thought this was a bit.

864
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: I did not know that this entire time you have

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Speaker 1: felt slighted. I do, I do I, And I will say, Julio,

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Speaker 1: you are very much the teacher that um you know,

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Speaker 1: a student makes one innocent mistake once and then you

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01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: brate him for the entire Yeah, it's like it's two

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01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: equals and then the student says five, and then for

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Speaker 1: the rest of the forty five minutes of the class

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01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: you keep coming back to and yeah, I remember when

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01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: Timmy said five? What the funk was up with that? No?

873
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: I would. I would never be that confrontation. I would

874
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 1: never use that language. Okay, great, I would. I would.

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01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: I think if I were that math teacher and I mean,

876
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: what great is this? I was? Okay, if if if

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01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: I was this first grade teacher and I said two

878
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: plus two and Timmy said five, I would instead of

879
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: saying no, it's four, I would be like, okay, everyone

880
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: closed your books. Uh, we need to circle around Timmy

881
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: an unpacked what about his life led to him answering this,

882
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: And then we're going to try to see if Timmy understands.

883
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: We're going to post the question to Timmy again, and

884
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: we're not going to leave the room until Timmy. But

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01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: not not just says it's for but believes it's for

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01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: Za pedagogical outlook of like private schools in Brooklyn Heights.

887
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: That would be like, if someone thinks two plus two

888
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: is five, you have to then dig deeper into finding

889
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: out why they think that based on their life experiences

890
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: for them, it could be the two plus two is five.

891
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: Well that that I think it's an exaggeration on on

892
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: that train of thought. Sorry, I didn't realize we were

893
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: suddenly back on the ground, on the ground I was sorry,

894
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: exaggerated on this on this podcast based on only facts

895
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: and law. Jake, Oh my god. You know, here's what

896
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: I will say. I remember leaving the last episode frustrated. Um,

897
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: but I remember thinking, you know, this will be a

898
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: fun episode for people to listen to you. That is

899
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: not your assessment. Well, you know I didn't. I didn't finish.

900
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: I didn't finish. Um. And my point is, um, this one.

901
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: I am also frustrated, But um, I also feel worse,

902
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: come off worse. I feel um, I feel um yeah,

903
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: like genuinely, like I'm kind of having that thing of like, wait,

904
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: what did I say? What was I thinking? You you

905
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: ever do that? I would say that, Uh, every single

906
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: episode of your podcast shouldn't be reinforced of your personality,

907
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: but it's interesting to see different shades of it. I

908
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: just want to say, I can't I can't tell how

909
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: serious for being, but I want you to know you

910
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: have not said anything that everyone is on the same

911
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: we are. This is good, This is good. I think

912
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: that you're still in your head about being uh dragged

913
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: on Twitter for eraising a fictional characters presumed sexuality. Honestly,

914
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: you're right. I think that's what it is. They broke

915
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: you down and now and now this is like you know,

916
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: you think you're on trial the whole time. It's true. Yeah,

917
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: that it really is. That's what it is. You're interpreting,

918
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, Julio's friendly suggestion that you have no idea

919
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: how to communicate or express yourself as somehow an attack.

920
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: You're so right, I'm being overly sensitive. Yeah yeah, yeah,

921
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: try to fix that. I'll put that on the list. Yeah,

922
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: oh my god. Well do you think we've unpacked holidays?

923
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: Unpacked holidays? Julio? What's the battery life on that computer? Like?

924
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: We really, we really did it. I mean, honestly, I

925
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: think we're ready maybe for a final segment. I think

926
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: so too, Um, Julio, I don't have one. So this

927
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: segment is called shout outs. I mean give us shout

928
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: out to something that we like. UM, sort of in

929
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: the style of dare I say, two thousand one t

930
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: r L times square. You're shouting out to your squad,

931
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: um and yeah, George, do you can't sure? What's up? Listeners?

932
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: I want to give a quick shout out to logical frameworks.

933
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: You know, you get a bad rap and often I

934
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: feel like we should always question you, or interrogate you,

935
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: or kind of put you on your head. In fact,

936
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: my entire career is it's estimate to that feeling. But

937
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: after the last hour, I say, let's bring back logical frameworks.

938
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: Let's talk in simple terms that have clear definitions, and

939
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: maybe that is the only route to true social justice. Whoa, um, okay,

940
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: I can go. Um, what's up? Listeners? Um. I just

941
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: want to give a huge shout out to Sam Wise gamgee. Um,

942
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: you are um a bisexual, polyamorous king, and it was

943
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: wrong with me to assume otherwise. I think you are

944
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: the hottest hobbit by far. Um. Part of me wants

945
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: to um have a lord of the Rings wedding because

946
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: I think it would be so funny and psychotic that

947
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: I kind of have to do it. Come on, how

948
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: funny would that be? And what's crazy is that my

949
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: name is Sam, but actually I am the photo in

950
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: my relationship and I'm uh and Misha is the Sam

951
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: wise and that is just how it is. Um XO

952
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: x O, two l O t R and all of Twitter.

953
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: I love you, I want to say. I actually I

954
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: laughed when you said you want to have a Lord

955
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: of the Rings wedding, But after thinking about it for

956
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: all of thirty seconds, I think that is the best

957
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: thing do you've ever had. I was gonna say a

958
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: shout out to um Sam's upcoming Lord of the Rings wedding. Great,

959
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: I would I would be very very excited about Is that?

960
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: Is it just the two of you doing the costume?

961
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: You you? I think, Hulu, you would have to come

962
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: as an elf. Honestly, I could see that elf and

963
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: in the who are the Elves? Is that is that

964
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: like Legalis okay? Okay? Sure? Yeah, I would do that.

965
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm coming as um Professor McGonagall. No, I'd be so

966
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: pissed if you rolled up in a Harry Potter drag

967
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: as that my Lord of the Rings named wedding. Tell

968
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: me like a storyline in the Real Housewives where it's like, yeah,

969
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: I showed up as Professor McGonagall at her Lord of

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01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: the Rings wedding. I'm gonna be uh uh Madman, Jon Hamm,

971
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be Davids Pumpkins. Come to your Lord of

972
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: the Rings wedding as a as a flapper because it's

973
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: a general flapper tiny stuff. I'm going to, Um, Julio,

974
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: did you um, do you have a shout out that

975
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: you would like to Normally we put like music under it,

976
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: so if it goes for maybe thirty seconds, that's a deal. Um,

977
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: just a little behind the scenes, um, if you want

978
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: to do one, and also if you really don't want

979
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: to again, shout out to your Lord of the Rings

980
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: Wedding to please score it with Lord of the Rings

981
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: store the segment shout out. Shout out to uh the

982
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: person who is getting you married, who I hope is

983
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: dressed as that like scary eye h and and shout

984
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: out to uh, you guys tossing the rings into the

985
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: eye instead of wearing them already. This is a great wedding.

986
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: It sounds a great wedding and also maybe a look

987
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: spooky storyline. Truly is I want to I definitely want

988
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: to planet Wow, Well, expert, you're inviting the mail. I

989
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: just want to say, hullo. You broke us apart and

990
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: put us back together again, and for that we are

991
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: so grateful you. You you asked for it. And we're

992
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: closing on victim blaming. It's sort of like like you

993
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: gave me a piece of pie, and then I was

994
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: having the pie. I was get the pie, and then

995
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: you you were like, okay, no, but list precisely how

996
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: you feel about the pie. Well, since you're asking, yeah,

997
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: but I love I'm loving the pie. Well that's not

998
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: what you were saying before, but that's definitely and you

999
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: before you're saying the I had a lot of gray areas, um,

1000
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: a lot of negative space, neither of which I think

1001
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: sounds very appetizing for a pie. Yeah, it was kind

1002
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: of well it was intentional but ineffective. Um pie, right,

1003
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: this actually sounds like a terrible pie, just going off

1004
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: of your description. No, no, no, it's wonderful. Well, um,

1005
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: thanks for doing the pod, you for having me. Maybe

1006
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: we'll put this one in the garbage too, and we

1007
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: can have you back. No, I would gladly do it

1008
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: a third time, and you will, and you will. In

1009
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: the third time. We are not allowed to stray from

1010
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: the topic one second. The topic will be Katie Perry

1011
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: and you have to earnestly talk about for an hour

1012
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: and a half. Yes, yes, okay, Well by