Speaker 1: Episode three oh two, How decluttering saves You Money with
Speaker 1: Ingrid Jansen.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Brugal Friends podcast, where you'll learn to
Speaker 2: save money, embrace simplicity, and live your life. Here your
Speaker 2: hosts Jen and Jill.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast. My name is Jen,
Speaker 1: my name is Jill, and today we are talking with
Speaker 1: one half of the declutter Hub podcast, Ingrid Jansen, about
Speaker 1: decluttering and specifically how it saves you money. Because she's
Speaker 1: worked with a ton of one on one clients, she
Speaker 1: has a decluttering membership, so Ingrid has really seen a
Speaker 1: lot of people decluttering and how it's affected their finances.
Speaker 1: So we're really excited to share her insight with you guys,
Speaker 1: along with a lot of great tips.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know how you were gonna do that, and
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Speaker 1: live to impress you, Jen you do every day without
Speaker 1: even trying. Well. So something else that's impressive is Ingrid's
Speaker 1: tips to correlate decluttering and emotions and capacity with saving money.
Speaker 1: So we're not going like full send minimalists over here.
Speaker 1: We're not going full send og Marie Condo. We are
Speaker 1: going really attainable, We're going really practical. We both loved
Speaker 1: so many of the things that she said. But if
Speaker 1: you specifically are interested in decluttering and you just like
Speaker 1: you love the topic, we do have a ton of
Speaker 1: episodes on decluttering. We have a lot on minimalism. But well,
Speaker 1: I mean we'll talk about this in the interview, that
Speaker 1: minimalism and decluttering are not the same. So to eighty one,
Speaker 1: how to cure rate a life with Less, less stuff
Speaker 1: and more intention with Christine Platt was a recent episode,
Speaker 1: just very just a few weeks ago, it feels like.
Speaker 1: And then episode one forty four Creative Ways to Declutter,
Speaker 1: so we talk about really the correlation between decluttering and
Speaker 1: frugality in those episodes, So those are really good ones
Speaker 1: to queue up after this one.
Speaker 3: This is such a good interview. I cannot wait for
Speaker 3: you all to hear all of the words of wisdom
Speaker 3: and tips Ingrid has to share.
Speaker 1: So let's do it. Ingrid, Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast.
Speaker 1: We are so excited to have at least one half
Speaker 1: of the Declutter Hub with us today. So thank you
Speaker 1: so much for hanging out with us.
Speaker 4: I love it. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4: I'm delighted. I'm Dutch. I love saving money, so being
Speaker 4: frugal is completely up my street. So I'm like, yes,
Speaker 4: let's talk about money. We should not be shy about this.
Speaker 4: And I think Dutch people anyway are quite direct talking
Speaker 4: about stuff anyway, so maybe that's a good thing. I
Speaker 4: don't know, but I appreciate you having you invited me.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, You're not afraid to jump into the hot topics
Speaker 3: of decluttering and finance, which is so excellent.
Speaker 1: We know this is such.
Speaker 3: A well loved topic of our listeners and we're so
Speaker 3: looking forward to hearing what you have to say on
Speaker 3: the topic because you are far more expert than we are.
Speaker 1: So thanks for being here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker 1: So I know you've spent a lot of time working
Speaker 1: with clients and decluttering. So can you start us off
Speaker 1: with how have you seen clutter negatively impact people's finances?
Speaker 1: What's the correlation there?
Speaker 4: Oh wow, Okay, that could be a whole podcasting itself,
Speaker 4: jed because clutter impacts people's lives tremendously. I mean not
Speaker 4: even money alone. It impacts children and partners and family
Speaker 4: and family life and spending and shopping habits. I mean
Speaker 4: money has a massive impact I think on people's lives.
Speaker 4: And having a lot of clutter, of course, costs a
Speaker 4: lot of money. And that's definitely what I wanted to
Speaker 4: talk about in this podcast, is like, how how can
Speaker 4: the cluttering help you save money? Because I've seen the
Speaker 4: impact of people who have a lot of clutter not
Speaker 4: only on their lives, but also on their finances because
Speaker 4: you know, you see a lot of over buying a
Speaker 4: lot of overshopping, a lot of just out of control paperwork,
Speaker 4: So people have no idea where they are, what the
Speaker 4: status is, how much money they have, what they are
Speaker 4: spending their money on. I mean, because the clutter creates
Speaker 4: so much care and people's houses, but also in their heads,
Speaker 4: in their minds, it all becomes this like this blurry mess.
Speaker 4: And then the overwhelmed creeps in. And when people start
Speaker 4: to be overwhelmed and they start to kind of panic
Speaker 4: a little bit, and then it's panic stations all around,
Speaker 4: and then you can't see clearly anymore, so you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just surviving here.
Speaker 4: And it can really kind of spiral into even more clutter.
Speaker 4: And what is very interesting is that people who have
Speaker 4: a lot of clutter, sometimes you would think they would
Speaker 4: spend less money because they have a lot of clutter,
Speaker 4: but what we actually see is that they spend more
Speaker 4: money because they can't find what they have amongst all
Speaker 4: their clutter, so they have to keep buying stuff over
Speaker 4: and over and over again because they actually can't find it.
Speaker 4: Then an excellent example of that is strangely enough, underwear
Speaker 4: and socks, so a lot of families who have one
Speaker 4: to three children, or a larger fam or even you know,
Speaker 4: just two or three people in the house. If there's
Speaker 4: a lot of clutter and the laundry gets behind, because
Speaker 4: the laundry is amongst all the chaos, then you don't
Speaker 4: know anymore what's clean, what's dirty, what's half worn. So
Speaker 4: there's a spiral of clothing everywhere. Let's just buy a
Speaker 4: new pack of seven pairs of underwear, because then at
Speaker 4: least we know that we're covered for this week, while
Speaker 4: actually there's probably one hundred and fifty pairs of underwear
Speaker 4: in the house somewhere, but nobody knows where they are,
Speaker 4: so they kept keep buying it over and over again,
Speaker 4: and you actually then perpetuate the clutter, and the more
Speaker 4: clothes you have, the worst it gets, which sounds so
Speaker 4: crazy because you would think if you have more clothes,
Speaker 4: you solve your problem, but it's actually the other way around.
Speaker 3: That's amazing to me that it'd be underwear and socks,
Speaker 3: like that's that's yeah, that's what people.
Speaker 1: Are buying a ton of. But I could absolutely see this.
Speaker 3: I particularly will recognize this in my own self when
Speaker 3: it comes to food, because we can have clutter in
Speaker 3: a lot of different ways, clutter in our pantry, so
Speaker 3: then we don't know what we have, so then we're
Speaker 3: buying more. I classically for a while was constantly buying
Speaker 3: shredded cheese, mostly because I wasn't checking.
Speaker 1: Before I would go out to.
Speaker 3: The store, and then I just had so much shreded
Speaker 3: cheese just up to my eyeballs because I wasn't I
Speaker 3: wasn't organizing, I wasn't looking, I wasn't planning ahead. And
Speaker 3: a lot of times when we feel chaotic or our
Speaker 3: environment is chaotic, we're not as motivated to be planful
Speaker 3: about what it is that we're buying, how we're spending
Speaker 3: what we have on hand, or taking care of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, And I think that's definitely what I
Speaker 4: want to talk about as well, is that meal planning
Speaker 4: that will definitely come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think so much about the like the bills,
Speaker 1: like the forgotten bills, because yeah, I will do that
Speaker 1: when there's like and then build this pile of paper clutter,
Speaker 1: and I'll have a bill that I mean to pay
Speaker 1: and then totally forget about it in all the paper clutter.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's not just the buying stuff. It's
Speaker 1: also forgetting to pay stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then of course you incurre a fee. We're
Speaker 4: gonna talk about that for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So let's start to talk then, Angert, about the
Speaker 3: positive correlation between decluttering and the positive benefits that that
Speaker 3: has on finances.
Speaker 1: What have you seen there?
Speaker 4: Oh amazing? I mean, one of our members in our membership,
Speaker 4: she started doing her house. She followed our process to
Speaker 4: followed our plan, and one of the later steps in
Speaker 4: our membership is you have to do your paperwork. You
Speaker 4: go through your paperwork. You don't start with that because
Speaker 4: it's really hard to do. You need to get other
Speaker 4: areas in your house under control first. But at a
Speaker 4: certain point you're ready to do your paperwork. She did
Speaker 4: then found out she could finally find out her insurance
Speaker 4: documents for her car and her holiday and her house
Speaker 4: and her and she just did a price comparison on
Speaker 4: a car insurance and saved four hundred and fifty pounds.
Speaker 4: And she was like, I've actually just paid for my
Speaker 4: membership now, how is that possible? Just because she was
Speaker 4: more organized, she was able to do that price comparison
Speaker 4: that saved her so much money. I mean I've seen
Speaker 4: it with clients time and time again because I both
Speaker 4: we have I have the membership with Leslie as did Cloptrap,
Speaker 4: but I also still work with clients one to one
Speaker 4: in their homes. And the amazing things that we find,
Speaker 4: I mean even in cash, you know, in coins and
Speaker 4: paperwork and change and other currencies from when they've been
Speaker 4: on a holiday and puts a little trace of little
Speaker 4: change that we've you know, in pocats and everything. It's
Speaker 4: it's amazing. So it's really really satisfying. Vouchers, you know,
Speaker 4: from presents that people have been sending over Christmas or birthdays.
Speaker 4: They send a voucher in the car the car and
Speaker 4: it's laid somewhere, or vouchers or a little you know,
Speaker 4: credit card type with like some money to spend at a
Speaker 4: sort of shop, get put somewhere and not in people's purses.
Speaker 4: Then it gets lost somewhere in the house. It's very satisfying.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love finding a gift card. Yes, money ain't
Speaker 1: gift cards. I love finding both.
Speaker 4: Yes. Yes, I've recently found a very expensive bracelet that
Speaker 4: my client had lost. And we're not talking about a
Speaker 4: couple of hundred pounds we're talking about a serious, beautiful
Speaker 4: diamond bracelet. And she makes place that she put it
Speaker 4: in a safe place, and then I couldn't remember where
Speaker 4: a safe place was, so that.
Speaker 1: Actually story right. Always I put it someplace where I
Speaker 1: wouldn't lose it. Then I asked it.
Speaker 4: Yes, the same with some actually some jewelry as well,
Speaker 4: some gold and jewelry from another client that actually at
Speaker 4: some point she was like, it's been thrown away or
Speaker 4: maybe you know, I have had builders of people and
Speaker 4: cleaning people in my house. Maybe maybe they saw it
Speaker 4: and they took it. I don't know. And then we'll
Speaker 4: moved something and sunny boom there it drops out. Well,
Speaker 4: we did the happy that the two of us, because
Speaker 4: you know, those are the important stuff, you know, the
Speaker 4: special occasion jewelry and things like that. You know. But
Speaker 4: I mean some people, you know, when you find ten
Speaker 4: or twenty dollars, they're super happy, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it sounds like there's an inverse happening here too.
Speaker 3: Not only is there the possibility of finding money as
Speaker 3: you declutter, but the inverse of the negative impacts of
Speaker 3: having clutter.
Speaker 1: It's it's the opposite.
Speaker 3: Then, yeah, and you know where things are and your
Speaker 3: bills are paid on time, and you're not buying extra
Speaker 3: of these different items, and you're not feeling as chaotic,
Speaker 3: so you're making wiser decisions. There's so many things I'm
Speaker 3: hearing you say of having less clutter. That doesn't mean
Speaker 3: that our houses are going to look exactly the same
Speaker 3: to one another, But whatever less clutter is to us
Speaker 3: can really help our budgets.
Speaker 4: I think what's really important. I think that's a very
Speaker 4: big part of our message is that there's not a
Speaker 4: one size fits to all. We don't expect that even
Speaker 4: our members have houses like we have because everybody's got
Speaker 4: a different type of house. Their sizes is different, the
Speaker 4: amount of people and their family is different. Some people
Speaker 4: like more stuff around than others. You know, some people
Speaker 4: are just I mean, I'm a professional organizer, but I'm
Speaker 4: not a minimalist. I still have picture frames and books
Speaker 4: and stuff. But the difference is that I can find everything.
Speaker 4: I know. I think just about a ninety nine nine
Speaker 4: percent of stuff that's in my house. I mean, we
Speaker 4: had a repair on our fridge at one point, and
Speaker 4: the fridge guy, the Fitz repairman, asked me for something.
Speaker 4: He went, do you happen to have a souldering iron,
Speaker 4: and I went, I do, and I know why it
Speaker 4: is as well, And you're like he nearly collapsed the floor.
Speaker 4: He was like what, I'm like, it's in my garage,
Speaker 4: I think if I have if, knowing my husband, it's
Speaker 4: been one of these two or three drawers and low
Speaker 4: and behold. So you know, it's it's very satisfying to
Speaker 4: be able to grinding and know what you have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, finding money and knowing where your things are,
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, so let's dive into the real nitty
Speaker 1: gritty fun stuff that everyone's gonna love. So most of
Speaker 1: our listeners are listening to us to improve their spending,
Speaker 1: improve their financial life, lower their spending. So if someone
Speaker 1: wants to declutter with that in mind, yeah, where are
Speaker 1: they going to start? What are your best tips for
Speaker 1: for that?
Speaker 4: Okay, no, there's of course you need. I'm going to
Speaker 4: give you some overall took tips first, and then I'm
Speaker 4: going to dive into some more meaty kind of ideas.
Speaker 4: First of all, you need to start small, so don't
Speaker 4: go I'm going to do a whole room this weekend.
Speaker 4: It's too much. If you have a lot of clutter.
Speaker 4: Start small, Start with one drawer, one cupboard, one shelf.
Speaker 4: Start somewhere that's easier. So don't go my worst room
Speaker 4: in my house is my spare bedroom because that's my
Speaker 4: dumping ground. Let's start there, because it's probably one of
Speaker 4: the hardest rooms to do because it's got stuff from everywhere,
Speaker 4: So you need to start somewhere easier. Normally, a kitchen
Speaker 4: is an easier place to start for several reasons, unless
Speaker 4: you are a I want to be a Michelin Star chef.
Speaker 4: The kitchen has mugs and glasses and topperware and pull
Speaker 4: some pants and so it's not so emotionally challenging to
Speaker 4: do kitchen items. And the kitchen already has small cupboards. Well,
Speaker 4: a bedroom has a big wardrobe, which a really can
Speaker 4: feel quite overwhelming, and a kitchen has already small cupboards,
Speaker 4: so you can go, I'm gonna just do the cupboard
Speaker 4: that has my topperware or the drawer that has my cutlery,
Speaker 4: and it's already kind of you break it up this way,
Speaker 4: so that really helps. You need to start small, and
Speaker 4: you need to start easier, and you build it up.
Speaker 4: But if you want to save money, and that's what
Speaker 4: we all want to do. Is also in the same time,
Speaker 4: if you're thinking, okay, yes, I need to do lots
Speaker 4: of stuff in my house, start using up what you have.
Speaker 4: Let me explain that we all and I think, well,
Speaker 4: lots of us have lots of toiletries, lots of cleaning products,
Speaker 4: lots of makeup, lots of perfume, lots of laundry cleaning
Speaker 4: stuff and all of that kind of thing, and we
Speaker 4: buy loads and we stick it in cupboards and then
Speaker 4: it doesn't fit anymore in the cupboard where it normally lives,
Speaker 4: so we create an overflow somewhere else, and then we
Speaker 4: forget what we have, and then we have our standards
Speaker 4: shopping list and we think, oh, yeah, I need to
Speaker 4: have a bleach today, or I need to get cleaning
Speaker 4: spray or whatever, and we buy a new one and
Speaker 4: before you know it, you've got four, six, eight of
Speaker 4: the same thing all sitting there, costing you money. And
Speaker 4: that goes for everything. So start to gather these things
Speaker 4: like with like, get it all together, look at what
Speaker 4: you have. Don't go oh, just I'm just gonna take
Speaker 4: my one cupboard. No, if you're gonna go, oh, I've
Speaker 4: got some cleaning stuff in that cupboard as well, and
Speaker 4: I've got some in the other room, and there's some
Speaker 4: in the upstairs. Get it all together and see what
Speaker 4: you have, because it's incredible what we have, honestly, Yeah,
Speaker 4: amount that stuff.
Speaker 1: We so smart. Yeah, that's so smart because I have
Speaker 1: cleaning products under every sink. I just realized that just now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and that's okay. But the thing is what
Speaker 4: sometimes happens is that cleaning products that you don't really
Speaker 4: use in that room end up in that cupboards and
Speaker 4: then you forget because you're not looking for that cover there.
Speaker 4: So you just need to do a bit of a
Speaker 4: little sort out these gather it all together, walk around
Speaker 4: your house and go right, let me get it all together,
Speaker 4: and let's look what I have and use it up
Speaker 4: because it will go out of dates. We can't keep
Speaker 4: all this stuff forever. You know, there is some sort
Speaker 4: of shelf life. Now we can debate about, you know,
Speaker 4: how long can you use a bleach from five years old?
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure, but it's all sitting there being
Speaker 4: lost money. So you can really lower your current bills
Speaker 4: if you're struggling at the moment by just coming on
Speaker 4: let me just use it all up, and you can
Speaker 4: then make a bit of an inventory of those toilet
Speaker 4: trees and that cleaning products and those craft items and
Speaker 4: the stocks and all of that. The gathering like will
Speaker 4: like what we will help you to see the volumes
Speaker 4: of stuff, because that will then help you with Number
Speaker 4: two is stop buying what you already have. Because you
Speaker 4: have lots of stuff, you can shop from your own
Speaker 4: house for a while, and that way you can save
Speaker 4: lots of money because we change how we feel about things.
Speaker 4: You know, we like the shampool we used for ages,
Speaker 4: and suddenly there's something new, we think, oh, that's nice,
Speaker 4: but we still have three or four of the old
Speaker 4: one that we then don't go back to, and that
Speaker 4: keeps cluttering up our covers, and then we can't put
Speaker 4: the stuff away that we actually want to buy, so
Speaker 4: we create a space somewhere else. So start by shopping
Speaker 4: from home, and when you do this, you create awareness.
Speaker 4: And awareness will help you change your clutter mindset because
Speaker 4: it will change the way you look at your shopping
Speaker 4: list and when you walk around and we're not so
Speaker 4: it's it tended them by all the marketing that happens
Speaker 4: in shops where they have like a nice music god
Speaker 4: and they've got nice displace. We think, oh, that's a
Speaker 4: new product. I need to try that, and we can
Speaker 4: go hold on a minute. But I've got something similar
Speaker 4: that I've bought already in my house. I need to
Speaker 4: finish that up first.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It might not be as exhilarating to use what you
Speaker 3: have at home, but it's certainly gonna save money. It's
Speaker 3: gonna build that contentment, that different mindset that may not
Speaker 3: be just for a time of wanting to save on finances,
Speaker 3: but just long term not being wasteful.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. And it's really nice
Speaker 4: to see when members and people in our Facebook group
Speaker 4: and podcast listeners start to make that change and go,
Speaker 4: it's so satisfying to use up what I have. We
Speaker 4: have so many half used items, like half used toothpastes.
Speaker 4: And you know when you go to like a way
Speaker 4: and you and you go to maybe a hotel or
Speaker 4: a nicer place, and they've got these little toilet trees
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, I'm going to take those home.
Speaker 4: And then we create and especially people who travel a
Speaker 4: lot for work, I find containers full of stuff. Use
Speaker 4: it all up. Because by it sitting there, it's it's
Speaker 4: not gonna go anywhere. It's just gonna long term, it's
Speaker 4: gonna go off and then nobody can use it anymore.
Speaker 4: So it's really nice to see we've got to like
Speaker 4: a create a use up container. And you can do
Speaker 4: that both with toilet trees, but also of course in
Speaker 4: the food in the pantry and all of those things.
Speaker 4: You can use use up container. And it's very satisfying,
Speaker 4: and people do start to get a bust from there, like, ah,
Speaker 4: have you stumping up? Or oh I had seven of
Speaker 4: these and now I only have two because two is
Speaker 4: plenty because the shops are open twenty four to seven,
Speaker 4: and I don't have to have seven in stock. Unless
Speaker 4: you like live in the middle of nowhere and your
Speaker 4: sohaps half an hour drive away, then you need to
Speaker 4: have some sort of pantry. But sometimes I see pictures
Speaker 4: on socials and I'm like, it looks beautiful, but why
Speaker 4: have you got so much stuff in your country? Why
Speaker 4: do you have five spars? Is one not not?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: You know when one is genty, you get the next one.
Speaker 4: Why do you have to have six lined up? Because
Speaker 4: they might be there for three years?
Speaker 1: Preach preach. I have fallen in that like algorithm on
Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok, and I'm like, why why do you
Speaker 1: need three spares? Why? Like I get it one? You
Speaker 1: need a spare? Why so many? It looks beautiful in
Speaker 1: your like plastic containers that you had to buy to
Speaker 1: store all your spares, But why it looks and then
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have had to buy all the containers?
Speaker 3: To me, Yeah, I love the you're saving money because
Speaker 3: you're using you're using it up like the use up bin.
Speaker 1: I love that concept. Yeah, I love that too.
Speaker 3: But then while you're doing that, you're also decluttering because
Speaker 3: you're you're slowly but surely dwindling down this whole pile
Speaker 3: of stuff that you have it to good use, not
Speaker 3: wasting it, also not buying more. It's like multiple things
Speaker 3: happening at once.
Speaker 4: I love that exactly. And what you then get and
Speaker 4: that's kind of the next step that's happened. You start
Speaker 4: to shop intentionally. It's much easier than to make the list.
Speaker 4: You're shopping because you're filling a gap of something, and
Speaker 4: you know that can go with clothes as well. You know,
Speaker 4: if you go close shopping without a list, you know
Speaker 4: it's of course, you know, you can go, oh, I
Speaker 4: see a lovely top. It's gonna look good at me.
Speaker 4: But we are creatures of habits, so we keep buying
Speaker 4: the same sort of thing over and over and over
Speaker 4: again because we feel good in it, because we.
Speaker 1: Love it, we like it.
Speaker 4: But then what happens is, have we for example, if
Speaker 4: we like like a cardigan, or here in in the UK,
Speaker 4: we wear cardigans a lot because it's chillier in this country,
Speaker 4: so we wear a lot of cardigans. And some people
Speaker 4: who love a cardigan will have twenty three different colors,
Speaker 4: some in the same because when they go to the
Speaker 4: shops and they go, oh, there's a card again. I
Speaker 4: like a card again, let me buy that again. Or
Speaker 4: if jeans or whatever it is that you go to
Speaker 4: item is so you start to shop with gaps in mind.
Speaker 4: You know, it's the same when when you look at
Speaker 4: your pantry, when you've used what you have and you
Speaker 4: can see ah, and you do, for example, use it's
Speaker 4: a lot of chunky tomatoes or something because you make pasta,
Speaker 4: sauce and things. If you know, okay, I'm going to
Speaker 4: go through a tray of those in the month, you
Speaker 4: can buy them all over because then you have a
Speaker 4: room to put them somewhere. But if everything is full,
Speaker 4: what happens. Things get put on top of the fridge
Speaker 4: and on the floor and in front of something, and
Speaker 4: then a cupboard can't open anymore. And then suddenly, if
Speaker 4: a door can't open anymore, then it's lost, it's gone.
Speaker 4: And that's what we see, for example, in bedrooms a lot,
Speaker 4: whether there's a floor drope things floor drope or chair drope,
Speaker 4: or exercise machine drobe, or a end of the bedrope
Speaker 4: thinks the wardrobes are full.
Speaker 1: We love that one. That's okay, I will use that
Speaker 1: one for the rest of my life. Anger for drobe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So what happens because the cupboards are full, all
Speaker 4: the hangars are full, the the wardrobe is bursting at
Speaker 4: the seams, the clothes that actually are wearing washing ironing,
Speaker 4: trying to put back kongo in, so they get on
Speaker 4: a pile somewhere and then it ends up on the
Speaker 4: floor because the thing topples over. Or we find exercise
Speaker 4: machines with lots of clothes over them because the wardrobes
Speaker 4: are full and you can't open the doors anymore. And
Speaker 4: that's something Sometimes what people find a little bit scary
Speaker 4: is that they say, to us, but there's stuff everywhere.
Speaker 4: We want to we want the cloutroom, we want to
Speaker 4: organize and tidy it up. And I'm like, but you
Speaker 4: get nowhere to tidy too, because your cupboards are full
Speaker 4: you need at one point. And that's why it's again
Speaker 4: so nice to start in the kitchen. Because the cupboards
Speaker 4: are smaller. You can go, let's empty this cupboard, Let's
Speaker 4: see what we have, let's decide what we want to keep.
Speaker 4: That's what we're gonna could put back, and once we
Speaker 4: do a couple of more cupboards, then the stuff that's
Speaker 4: out on the kitchen counters can go somewhere. Yeah, there's
Speaker 4: stuff on the kitchen counters because it can't be put away.
Speaker 3: Oh I so I appreciate your focus on cluttering before organizing,
Speaker 3: because I think organizing that could happen.
Speaker 1: In a day, maybe a weekend.
Speaker 3: But if you've not gotten rid of the things you
Speaker 3: don't use or you have excess of, or really take
Speaker 3: an inventory, then it's just all gonna topple over again
Speaker 3: in that very week, and we're not actually getting to
Speaker 3: the root of the problem. Like organizing is great, but
Speaker 3: it sounds like as as the next step beyond the cluster.
Speaker 4: And funny thing is that you say that, because actually
Speaker 4: after the organizing then comes to storage. So a lot
Speaker 4: of people say to me and also Leslie, what do
Speaker 4: I need to buy to get organized? And we're like,
Speaker 4: you're not gonna buy anything. We first need to be
Speaker 4: clutter what you have there, you go. It needs to
Speaker 4: find the right place where the lives, where it makes
Speaker 4: sense for you to look for that item. We can
Speaker 4: put it in a shoe box, it doesn't matter. It
Speaker 4: can be an empty Amazon box for if there's loads
Speaker 4: of those. The storage is the last phase in May,
Speaker 4: almost kind of making it look pretty and containerizing it more.
Speaker 4: The decluttering comes first, then the organizing. Where do I
Speaker 4: find this item? And then okay, how am I going
Speaker 4: to find the right storage books? And but what a
Speaker 4: lot of people do they go, I'm so, okay, you'll
Speaker 4: take I see all these beautiful pictures. I need to
Speaker 4: have containers to buy and put all my cereals in
Speaker 4: my rises and pastising, because then I'm going to be organized.
Speaker 4: But actually you have to be super organized to have
Speaker 4: beautiful pantries. You see through containers with labels.
Speaker 3: And what happens with those anyhow, is typically the item,
Speaker 3: the food item doesn't all fit into the beautiful containers.
Speaker 3: Then you've got the container with the item on display
Speaker 3: and the box and the plastic somewhere else too, and
Speaker 3: you're just creating like doubles, triples, quadruples of everything.
Speaker 1: Might as well just keep it in the box.
Speaker 4: It's a cycle, it is, and you create a lot
Speaker 4: of work for yourself as well. And I'm not afraid
Speaker 4: to say, Jen and Jill, I am a professional organizer.
Speaker 4: I do not have containers for my cereals. They live
Speaker 4: in my original packaging.
Speaker 1: You know, because heard it here first.
Speaker 4: But I know, I know. And it was interesting because
Speaker 4: Leslie the other day said to me, he said, ing,
Speaker 4: but I think my life is getting a bit calmer.
Speaker 4: I'm considering buying some containers because I think I'm ready
Speaker 4: for this now my kids are all grown up. I
Speaker 4: feel like I'm yelling so funny, and.
Speaker 1: I think I'm ready. There containers that goes for me, yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely not.
Speaker 4: I don't want to spend that time. I just find
Speaker 4: other things more important. So for me, the container comes last.
Speaker 4: But you know, we might have some listener who are like,
Speaker 4: I'm studing out now, I can't listen anymore.
Speaker 1: No, I think everybody is going to resonate. The majority
Speaker 1: will resonate with this because we are all about the
Speaker 1: like the simplification of things, and sometimes organizing can feel complex.
Speaker 1: Decluttering we get that simplifying, but it's and I like
Speaker 1: say this all the time. I hate the show on
Speaker 1: Netflix from the Home Edit because it stresses me out
Speaker 1: because it is really just shifting things into pretty plastic containers.
Speaker 1: Like that is really complex. So I feel like you're
Speaker 1: giving people permission to simplify their decluttering and even doing
Speaker 1: a slow build by maybe like just first focusing on
Speaker 1: one room in the house, smallest drawers in the house,
Speaker 1: focusing on just using up first is to like giving
Speaker 1: permission to focus on one thing at a time and
Speaker 1: really simplify the process. So I love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, thank you. And it's I think in the beginning,
Speaker 4: people don't think about all the money they're gonna safe.
Speaker 4: They don't see that as a big reason why they
Speaker 4: want to decloter. They just want to have less overwhelmed.
Speaker 4: They want to have less cars in their head, in
Speaker 4: their house, and but lay to what they sees that
Speaker 4: benefits with money, with better time management, with being far
Speaker 4: back through on what priorities are longer term goals, because
Speaker 4: when you have a lot of clutter, life can be
Speaker 4: very stressful when you have to find your keys and
Speaker 4: your phone all the time, and when you have nothing
Speaker 4: prepared and you have to think at ten to six
Speaker 4: in the evening, what are we having for dinner tonight,
Speaker 4: and then you're missing a couple of ingredients, it gets
Speaker 4: very very stressful. And once you start to break through,
Speaker 4: slowly but surely, through that clutter a little bit and go, actually, wow,
Speaker 4: I'm going to think about what we're gonna have in morning,
Speaker 4: what we're gonna have this evening. So I have that's
Speaker 4: already can be a massive win, and then the next
Speaker 4: step can be actually, instead of shopping every day and
Speaker 4: driving past the shops, I'm going to try and only
Speaker 4: go two or three times a week. Wow, I'm saving
Speaker 4: so much time all of a sudden. Then I can
Speaker 4: do some other things, and then wow, I'm going to
Speaker 4: try this whole meal planning thing. So it's you can't,
Speaker 4: you know, run a marathon when you've never even walked
Speaker 4: around the block. That's why the starting smallest critical in decluttering.
Speaker 4: You can't go overnight and change to all of these
Speaker 4: habits that haven't been ingrained in your life for such
Speaker 4: a long time. You can't all change it at the
Speaker 4: same time. And that's why we always talk about breaking
Speaker 4: it down all the time. And even when I'm gonna
Speaker 4: do my kitchen, okay, make that even smaller. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: look at my glasses today, or when you're doing your wardrobe. Today,
Speaker 4: I'm looking at my trousers, and tomorrow i'm gonna look
Speaker 4: at my tops, and next week i'm gonna look at
Speaker 4: my t shirts and then I'm gonna look at my
Speaker 4: pajamas or whatever it is. Keep breaking it down and
Speaker 4: going I'm gonna do all of the wardrobes. It can
Speaker 4: be too overwhelming and then people run out of steam
Speaker 4: and then they're like, oh, and I didn't finish this job,
Speaker 4: and then it becomes a negative experience. You're better off
Speaker 4: going I'm gonna set aside twenty or thirty minutes, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do a couple of bits and go go me,
Speaker 4: I actually did it, and then it's a positive experience.
Speaker 4: And you want to come back to something when it's positive,
Speaker 4: But when it's really negative experience. I'm gonna do a
Speaker 4: whole room. After one and a half hours, what have
Speaker 4: I done? The place is even more messy than when
Speaker 4: I started. And this is all gonna go wrong here
Speaker 4: and and then it's like and how do you come
Speaker 4: back from that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do you know what's always also a positive experience? And
Speaker 3: just like a walk around the park.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to start small. You can dive
Speaker 1: straight in.
Speaker 3: The bill of the week.
Speaker 5: That's right, It's time for the best minute of your
Speaker 5: entire week. Maybe a baby was born and his name
Speaker 5: is Williams. Maybe you paid off your mortgage. Maybe your
Speaker 5: car died and you're happy to not have to pay
Speaker 5: that bill anymore.
Speaker 1: Duck bills, butfalow bills. Bill clar this is the bill
Speaker 1: of the week, Ingrid. Every week we asked our listeners
Speaker 1: and our guests to share with us their bill for
Speaker 1: the week. We leave it very vague to give you
Speaker 1: a lot of freedom in this and I know you've
Speaker 1: been thinking about it, so let us know what your
Speaker 1: bill is.
Speaker 4: My bill. It's the restaurant. There is a restaurant chain
Speaker 4: here in the UK that's called Billsay.
Speaker 1: What do they serve? And are they good.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's really nice. The restaurants can be quite a
Speaker 4: bit quirky from the inside. It feels a bit. I mean,
Speaker 4: I haven't been to one in a while, but you know,
Speaker 4: because it just hasn't happened. You know, we've had a
Speaker 4: whole time that we couldn't go anywhere. But the bills
Speaker 4: that I went to where we're quite quirky from the inside.
Speaker 4: It had to feel a bit of an Italian field
Speaker 4: with like jars with olives and like garlic things, and
Speaker 4: it's like a bit of a shoult that you can
Speaker 4: buy some stuff as well. Busy, not push but good food.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's my bill.
Speaker 3: Oh, I love great Bill where you have paired the
Speaker 3: name of Bill with food that is, and some of.
Speaker 1: Our favorite food like garlic, carlic, ah is I'm imagining
Speaker 1: there's bread there. Quirky all that I need to Wow. Yeah, yeah, amazing.
Speaker 3: Oh, if you all listening happen to have restaurants and
Speaker 3: food or a person named Bill around your vicinity and
Speaker 3: you just want to call in and tell us about it,
Speaker 3: you know the Drill Frugal Friends podcast dot com slash Bill,
Speaker 3: leave us here, Bill. We're just we're ready to be
Speaker 3: shocked and surprised.
Speaker 4: If you ever come to the Ukgen and Jill, we
Speaker 4: need to meet up in a Bill's restaurant. Nothing.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my gosh, my new dream. Yes.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And now it's time for.
Speaker 6: We're really produced over here, highly edited and voices, so
Speaker 6: lots of budget for sound effects, hi high budget.
Speaker 1: So today's lightning round question that we're all going to
Speaker 1: take a turn in answering is what's the most embarrassing
Speaker 1: thing you've discovered when decluttering and ingrid? This can be
Speaker 1: for you or decluttering someone else's. You don't have to
Speaker 1: say names. The only you can be anonymous. Jill and
Speaker 1: I will obviously not be anonymous. But yeah, what's the
Speaker 1: most embarrassing thing?
Speaker 4: Oh? I don't know if I can tell. We do
Speaker 4: find interesting things. I always say it's a good thing.
Speaker 4: I grew up very close to Amsterdam, and then my
Speaker 4: parents both Amsterdam and and the and the and the
Speaker 4: Red Light District, so I'm not easily shocked. But I
Speaker 4: have found a thing or two. And one time I
Speaker 4: opened the bedstead draw and I went, that's not for me.
Speaker 4: You're not closed it again.
Speaker 3: There's not enough gloves in this world for me to
Speaker 3: interact with that.
Speaker 1: There you go, They're just they're living their lives. Oh man,
Speaker 1: what about for each chain? So I think, so it's
Speaker 1: not embarrassing. But I couldn't think of really anything embarrassing.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's just because I probably have said everything
Speaker 1: about my life on the show already. But I think
Speaker 1: the growth like when I clean out my pocket drawer
Speaker 1: in my kitchen, sometimes I will find a packet that
Speaker 1: has like opened and it has made all the other
Speaker 1: packets gross, like a condiment packet. A condiment packet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's never a Taco Bell hot sauce. It's always
Speaker 1: like a ketchup or something sticky, and it's like, oh
Speaker 1: now I have to rinse all my packets. No, you don't,
Speaker 1: you rinse your packets off? Wow, it's not a lot.
Speaker 1: It's not like the whole drawer is full of packets.
Speaker 1: It's you know, like they could all fit in a
Speaker 1: gallon size bag. So it's not like a you know,
Speaker 1: but I love them. They're mostly Taco Bell Hot sauce packets.
Speaker 3: For any Jen keeps all of her extra condiments from
Speaker 3: these fast food restaurants, and what reuses them?
Speaker 1: Just however you reuse them I use them once, Jill.
Speaker 1: It's like for the I don't I don't have like
Speaker 1: two Ketchup bottles, right, I have one Ketchup bottle, And
Speaker 1: when the Ketchup runs out, if I need a little
Speaker 1: extra that I go to the packet drawer and I'll
Speaker 1: get the extra Ketchup, you know, when I'm in a pinch,
Speaker 1: and then I'll just buy more Ketchup. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I use it for, not putting things to waste.
Speaker 1: I suppose I love obviously taco about hot sauces, and
Speaker 1: I don't I like, I get enough of those that
Speaker 1: I don't have to buy them in the sword. But
Speaker 1: there's also Wendy's has this ghost pepper ranch that you
Speaker 1: cannot buy in stores that I specifically will ask for
Speaker 1: extra of and save. So those are really those are
Speaker 1: the main ones. Yeah, So that's me. That's me. And
Speaker 1: maybe that fact right there, that that story, that dissertation
Speaker 1: on packet drawer accumulation and maintenance, maybe that's the most
Speaker 1: embarrassing thing, potentially, potentially, Jill, my middle school journal, I
Speaker 1: was decluttering at one point in the midst of a move.
Speaker 3: Moves are great for that if you allow it. To
Speaker 3: I know some people just throw everything and move it
Speaker 3: to the next spot, and it just gets shoved back
Speaker 3: into the closet. But I have taken opportunities when we've
Speaker 3: moved to get rid of cell, be kind to myself
Speaker 3: when we land in the next spot. And at one
Speaker 3: point I came across one of my middle school journals
Speaker 3: and it was just cringey. I just felt so deeply embarrassed,
Speaker 3: embarrassment to my core that it wasn't this keepsake for me.
Speaker 3: I definitely threw it out, if not like shredded it
Speaker 3: before throwing it out, because I'm like, no one should
Speaker 3: ever read this ever. I never want to read this again.
Speaker 3: I don't ever want anyone else to read this. It
Speaker 3: was just cringey. Oh my gosh, Oh that was embarrassing
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: What was the most important thing to you to middle school? Jill?
Speaker 4: The journal?
Speaker 1: About what was the biggest crist you're saying about it?
Speaker 3: I don't know what this says about me, So I
Speaker 3: analyze this if you want. I censored myself, as in
Speaker 3: I almost wrote as if someone else was going to
Speaker 3: find this journal and read.
Speaker 1: It, and so I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't use my journal for my truest of true thoughts,
Speaker 3: because I was always concerned someone else was going to
Speaker 3: find it and read it.
Speaker 1: So it was almost like.
Speaker 3: Like the embarrassing part to me is that I felt
Speaker 3: as though I couldn't use my journal to just write
Speaker 3: how I actually thought.
Speaker 1: So it sounded like I was trying to be this.
Speaker 3: Autobiographer about like the things that I thought worthy of
Speaker 3: writing about. That's what stood out to me is the
Speaker 3: most important thing is that I thought my life experiences
Speaker 3: needed to be censored for whoever might read it.
Speaker 1: Like you thought you were going to be the next
Speaker 1: Anne Frank, or you just thought your little brother was
Speaker 1: going to find it. Yeah, you know, like a family member,
Speaker 1: Like that's reasonable, that was a reasonable fear for you.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think I thought, oh, yeah, what if this finds
Speaker 3: itself in a cast I think it was family what
Speaker 3: a family ever found it?
Speaker 1: And then I think I also had.
Speaker 3: This idea that I was really dramatic as a child
Speaker 3: and probably as an adult, that maybe someday this journal
Speaker 3: is going to find itself in a capsule and people
Speaker 3: one hundred years from now are going to read this
Speaker 3: and look back.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, ward it out.
Speaker 3: Oh that's all there is, just saying no one will
Speaker 3: ever read what middle school Jill wrote.
Speaker 1: Ye oh yeah wow. Well, so if people want to
Speaker 1: read what you're writing, Ingrid, or hear what you're saying
Speaker 1: on your podcast, where can people get more from you?
Speaker 4: Couple of different ways. You can listen to our podcast.
Speaker 4: We've got the d Kluttrah podcast on any podcast player,
Speaker 4: or just go to the clutterho dot com and then
Speaker 4: you will find the podcast and you can listen, and
Speaker 4: or you can join our Facebook group. We've got a
Speaker 4: lovely Facebook group called the de Clutterhop Community Emotions based
Speaker 4: the clock Train, because we believe it's all about the
Speaker 4: emotions connected to stuff and not the stuff itself. You
Speaker 4: need to learn more about why the stuff is so
Speaker 4: hard and it's not just as simple as well, let's
Speaker 4: get it back and throw it all away. You need
Speaker 4: to learn from that. So yes, facebook group and the
Speaker 4: podcast definitely excellent.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Ingrid. We've learned a ton from
Speaker 3: you and had some laughs. Well more can we ask for?
Speaker 4: Well, it was absolutely a pleasure, and yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: would love you know, not enough time. I would have
Speaker 4: loved to spend im talking about paperwork and about meal
Speaker 4: planning and about saying goodbye to that storage unit. But
Speaker 4: you know, it's all about pairing it down just a
Speaker 4: little bit and hopefully that way you will get a
Speaker 4: better grip of this clutter in your house and make
Speaker 4: it make a little bit easier for yourself. You know,
Speaker 4: having a lot of clutter is hard work.
Speaker 1: Good word. Yes, we could have gone so much more.
Speaker 1: There's there is so much said. Yes she had. She
Speaker 1: literally had like seven points, she said, like script it out,
Speaker 1: and so we didn't want to like take you on
Speaker 1: a two hour journey of decluttering. But I'm sure she
Speaker 1: talks about them and her and Leslie's podcast, the Declutter Hub,
Speaker 1: So definitely check that out if you are interested in decluttering.
Speaker 3: That's what happens when you have a powerhouse in the
Speaker 3: space with her own podcast and group and still doing it,
Speaker 3: still going into people's homes and helping to declutter. So
Speaker 3: woman knows what she's talking about, which is amazing.
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't wait to meet her at Bills. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't wait.
Speaker 3: That's going to be a good restaurant experience. I've heard
Speaker 3: that you gained some tips and seriously check out her
Speaker 3: podcast declutter Hub for more tips. If this is the
Speaker 3: space you're in right now, you really want to declutter,
Speaker 3: you're in that zone, do it. Spring springs here, spring
Speaker 3: is in the air, So good timing on that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still need to get to my piles. I mean,
Speaker 1: hopefully by the time this episode airs, I will have
Speaker 1: gotten to my paper piles, because I'm planning to do
Speaker 1: it in about a month after the baby comes. So
Speaker 1: but currently, right now I'm sitting staring at them. So
Speaker 1: if you are also staring at paper piles and you
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Speaker 3: Okay Jen In the interview during the interview with Ingrad
Speaker 3: and we were talking about finding money and how amazing
Speaker 3: that is and how fun that is.
Speaker 1: I know you do find money in your clothes. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: and I love it when that happens.
Speaker 3: It hasn't happened in a really long time because I
Speaker 3: am very I am too organized at this point.
Speaker 1: Nothing surprises me. But like winter jackets, right, you said
Speaker 1: you found money in a winter jacket?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So what I thought about doing this past holiday season?
Speaker 3: As we were putting our Christmas tree away, I got
Speaker 3: the idea I should hide a twenty dollar bill in
Speaker 3: with the Christmas tree. And I said it to Eric
Speaker 3: and he laughed, and I thought that that meant, yeah,
Speaker 3: go do it. And I like, I run to go
Speaker 3: grab a twenty dollars bill and he's like, what are
Speaker 3: you doing. I'm like, I'm putting money in here with
Speaker 3: the Christmas tree. He's like, why would you do that? Like,
Speaker 3: so it'll be nice for me when I open it
Speaker 3: next year and I find a twenty dollars bill. Like,
Speaker 3: this is where we're at now. It's not accidentally gonna
Speaker 3: happen anymore. I've got to be intentional about it. He's like,
Speaker 3: you're not thirteen again, where like a twenty dollars bill
Speaker 3: is gonna make a big difference in your life. I'm like,
Speaker 3: but it will make me happy with like, you know,
Speaker 3: it's the holidays and you're buying gifts and if I
Speaker 3: find an extra twenty dollars bill, that's gonna be really
Speaker 3: exciting for me. He just he thought it was the
Speaker 3: weirdest thing, and you know what peer pressure. I didn't
Speaker 3: do it. I didn't put the twenty.
Speaker 1: He just thought it was so weird, Like what is
Speaker 1: with you?
Speaker 3: He says he knows a lot of people with this
Speaker 3: like obsession with like stashing money. I think his mom
Speaker 3: is that way too, Like she'll just like stash money
Speaker 3: like random places throughout the house. It's like, are you
Speaker 3: afraid things are just gonna be like taken away from you?
Speaker 3: And really, like my grandmother did that too, it must
Speaker 3: be embedded in me. I just want to like squirrel
Speaker 3: away cash and random places mostly I think because I
Speaker 3: like finding it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can see why it would be if
Speaker 1: it makes you happy, do it, is my opinion.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go back out to the garage and shove
Speaker 3: some money in the Christmas.
Speaker 1: Tree there you go. Yeah, well, I think watch a
Speaker 1: mouse will go in and like chew it up. That'd
Speaker 1: be depressed. It doesn't make sense, but it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to make sense if it makes you happy, like it's
Speaker 1: just twenty dollars.
Speaker 3: But the thing about it is I need to do
Speaker 3: it secretly to myself, you know, like this thing that
Speaker 3: hardly I thought and it just happens, because otherwise.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remember what my right hand's doing.
Speaker 3: Exactly Otherwise, like now that I've had this whole conversation
Speaker 3: about it, I'm gonna remember although or I'm setting myself
Speaker 3: up for extreme disappointment because I talked about it so
Speaker 3: much that I'm gonna think that I did it and
Speaker 3: then I go to open the Christmas tree and there's
Speaker 3: no money in there.
Speaker 1: The Christmas tree has given me nothing what to do? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing how you just have to
Speaker 1: handle that. Also, did you ever use up all the
Speaker 1: shredded cheese?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, yeah, eventually I got it in my thick
Speaker 3: brain that I had shreadedy.
Speaker 1: Do you now think you have shredded cheese all the time?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 1: When you don't? Okay, I can't geese. I was like,
Speaker 1: one day, she's gonna think she has shredded cheese and
Speaker 1: she's not going to have it. Yeah, what a sad day. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that you have You've gone through the
Speaker 1: cheese I know, and sad for the times where you
Speaker 1: think you have it. You don't know.
Speaker 3: Cheese was wasted because I freeze cheese. I don't know
Speaker 3: if other people do that, but I do. I freeze
Speaker 3: shudded cheese, freeze cheese. I say that five times fast.
Speaker 3: I free shded cheese.
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I can't even do it once.
Speaker 1: People definitely do that. Yeah, well, good, okay. I'm glad.
Speaker 1: However life ends up for you, Jill. I'm glad because
Speaker 1: I know it's going to be good. Whether you find
Speaker 1: twenty dollars or don't find it, whether you have cheese
Speaker 1: or not, Life's going to work out for you in
Speaker 1: the end. Thanks for your half used perspective.