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Speaker 1: It's the son of which podcast. I'm your host Claude Harman.

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Speaker 1: This week solo episode of the pod. I am back

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Speaker 1: on the road currently in Adelaide, Australia for Lives in

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Speaker 1: Saudi last week Underneath the Lights, but just kind of

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about the off season. I mean, just

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Speaker 1: like the players, I got an off season and just

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Speaker 1: want to kind of talk through some of the stuff

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Speaker 1: that I did on my off season, which is always

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Speaker 1: good to kind of recharge, live a normal life, get

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Speaker 1: off the road. I think I did twenty two weeks

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Speaker 1: on the road last year or so it's always nice

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Speaker 1: to have an off season. One of the big things

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Speaker 1: I did off season was I went to the PJ

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Speaker 1: Merchandise Show, which is always, I think, a really interesting

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Speaker 1: kind of state of where professional golf is. And I

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Speaker 1: was really impressed with the crowds that I saw up

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Speaker 1: in Orlando. I think there were some big manufacturers that

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Speaker 1: came back to the PGA show and you kind of

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Speaker 1: get a good buzz of kind of finger on the

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Speaker 1: pulse of what's going on people, and I saw a

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Speaker 1: lot of people really excited about golf. One of the

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Speaker 1: big things I think I saw at the PGA show

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Speaker 1: was It seems like there was a lot of tech,

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Speaker 1: a lot of simulator tech. Obviously, TGL launched in the

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Speaker 1: off season, and yeah, I watched some of it and

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Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked what I saw. I thought

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Speaker 1: the venue looks amazing down there in Palm Beach Gardens.

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Speaker 1: I thought the way it looked on television was really

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Speaker 1: really cool. I know they're having some issues with the

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Speaker 1: technology and stuff like that, but I do think that

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Speaker 1: there is a place for that kind of golf. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many people are watching or what

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Speaker 1: other people are thinking, but I liked it. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was interesting, the team concept of it. I talked

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Speaker 1: to Adam Scott in November. He was in Dubai. I

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Speaker 1: was in Dubai. He was doing some practice at my

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Speaker 1: academy and got to catch up with him and we

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Speaker 1: talked about it and got to watch him play on

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Speaker 1: his TGL team. You know, over the last three years,

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Speaker 1: Live has made the move to go to team golf.

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Speaker 1: And find it interesting that the PGA Tour is going

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Speaker 1: to the same thing. Yeah, it's in a simulator, but

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Speaker 1: it's cool. I mean, I think the guys really they

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Speaker 1: look like they like it. I saw Matt Fitzpatrick at

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Speaker 1: the Grove down in Jupiter a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: and he had played in the TGL, and DJ and

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Speaker 1: I were there. We were asking him about it and

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Speaker 1: what he thought about it, and so I do think

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Speaker 1: there is a place for that, and I think Lives

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Speaker 1: has shown that team golf has a place. It's fun,

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Speaker 1: and I think the guys you've watched on the TGL broadcast,

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Speaker 1: to me, they look like they're having fun. And that's

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Speaker 1: always been one of the things that I think has

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Speaker 1: been hard for a lot of people to understand that

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Speaker 1: haven't been, you know, a part of Live. I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's twenty twenty five and everybody has talked

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Speaker 1: about it. I've talked about it, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: think everybody's tired of talking about it. But the team

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Speaker 1: stuff is fun and it has been fun over the

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Speaker 1: last three years for those of us that have been

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Speaker 1: on Live and have been part of kind of a team.

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Speaker 1: You know, the practice round, the way that the players travel,

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Speaker 1: the way the players practice together and play together and

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Speaker 1: hang out together. So in that respect, I think it's

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Speaker 1: been cool to watch TGL kind of have that same

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Speaker 1: concept and I think they're taking some of their cues,

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Speaker 1: you know, from Live, which, hey, imitation is very flattering.

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Speaker 1: So I think Team Golf is here to stay. I

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Speaker 1: think it's here to stay on Live. I think it's

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Speaker 1: here to stay in TGL and we'll see where it goes.

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Speaker 1: But at the PJ Merchandise Show, I saw a lot

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Speaker 1: of simulator tech. It seems like every simulator company is

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Speaker 1: coming up with some sort of putting articulated floor, kind

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Speaker 1: of where the floor can move, where you can put

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Speaker 1: a monitor in the ceiling and kind of show you

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Speaker 1: the line of the putt platform. Golf is a new

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Speaker 1: company that I started doing some work with. They're going

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Speaker 1: to be putting in some of their units in my

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Speaker 1: academy in Dubai and in Thailand, and they've got an

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Speaker 1: moves different lives uphill, downhill, side hill, something that's been

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Speaker 1: very difficult for a lot of people to simulate if

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Speaker 1: thought that putting from an instruction standpoint, and we've been

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Speaker 1: part of the problem as instructors, has been kind of

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Speaker 1: taught backwards, right. We teach stroke first and then then

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Speaker 1: work on feel. And I try with a lot of

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Speaker 1: players now that are that are starting out juniors, beginning golfers,

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Speaker 1: to mechanics first. Let's go ahead and look at what

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Speaker 1: your feel is like onlaw pots, what your perception of

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Speaker 1: the speed. I think that's huge, and I think all

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Speaker 1: whether they're in an academy or a studio type situation,

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Speaker 1: lesson type situation, there is products out there. There are

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Speaker 1: saw a lot of that at the PGA show. I

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Speaker 1: got to spend some time with Greg Rose and Dave Phillips,

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Speaker 1: both from TPI, co founders of the titles Foremust Institute.

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Speaker 1: It's always a great opportunity for me to catch up

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Speaker 1: with them. I've had them on the pod and kind

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Speaker 1: There seems to be a lot of companies out there

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Speaker 1: right now trying to do three D tech with just

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Speaker 1: your camera, sports Box AI. I mean they're on the

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Speaker 1: broadcast now on PGA Tour. It's an app you can

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Speaker 1: put on your phone and kind of film yourself and

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Speaker 1: then it puts mark on your body stuff. So I

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Speaker 1: think we are going to see more of that, more

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Speaker 1: think they're trying to figure out how accurate it is.

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Speaker 1: But my view on technology for golfers is I think

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Speaker 1: these PGA merchandise shows and we look at new tech,

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Speaker 1: it's always funny to me that within the instruction community

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Speaker 1: various products, talking about new technology, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: times it's a lot of guys and people arguing over

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Speaker 1: the tech. Who's got the right tech, who's got the

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Speaker 1: I look at technology and I think that technology can

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Speaker 1: help the majority of golfers get better. I think launch

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Speaker 1: monitor technology, I think three D technology. I think all

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Speaker 1: golfers get better. So I think we are going to

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of AI and what AI can do

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Speaker 1: excited to kind of see where that goes. But it's

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Speaker 1: always fun for me to just walk around the show

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Speaker 1: and see what's out there. The companies that I work with, Cobrapuma,

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Speaker 1: got to spend some time in their booths looking at

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Speaker 1: all their new product and listen, if you listen to

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Speaker 1: the podcast, you know that I'm a Cobrapuma guy. But

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Speaker 1: when you get to see all the products from whatever manufacturer,

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Speaker 1: For me, it's always fun to kind of talk to,

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Speaker 1: got some really innovative tech. Their new driver. You've heard

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Speaker 1: scene players put it in the bag, and then they're

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Speaker 1: three D printing with their irons. Kyle Westmoreland, who I've

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Speaker 1: iron on the corn Ferry, and I think that technology

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to see. You know what that could look like.

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Speaker 1: Is there a world if the companies can three D

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Speaker 1: to go online and say, Okay, this is what I

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Speaker 1: want my iron to look like. Do I want offset?

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Speaker 1: I think all of that is we're just touching the surface.

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Speaker 1: So it's going to be cool to see where that goes.

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Speaker 1: On the Puma side, Puma's shoe company first and foremost,

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Speaker 1: So excited to see all of that stuff. Later this year,

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Speaker 1: got to hang out with Steve Malbone from Malbon Golf,

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Speaker 1: who you know, he's he's a friend. I think he's

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Speaker 1: doing some really cool stuff. We kind of talked about

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Speaker 1: all the craziness in what surrounds kind of the stuff

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Speaker 1: there's space for everybody, and I think there are a

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I think I saw more

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Speaker 1: regular PGA pros. You know, normally when you go to

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Speaker 1: the PGA Merchant Show, merchandise show, it's khakis, it's blue blazers,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's very much old school. But this

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the YouTube golf stuff is here

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Speaker 1: to stay. Like I said, I'm down here in Adelaide

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Speaker 1: at the Live event and today Rick Shields was out.

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Speaker 1: He signed a big deal with Live. You know, YouTube extraordinaire.

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Speaker 1: It's got a huge channel, huge following, and he's now

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Speaker 1: doing content for Live. We've seen the PGA Tour do that.

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Speaker 1: We've seen the PGA Tour do their content creator. The

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Speaker 1: And I think that is here to stay. But you

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Speaker 1: another way to get the product out. So I think

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Speaker 1: that's here to stay. Night golf. I think we're going

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Speaker 1: back next year to do night golf. And it was fun.

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Speaker 1: It was a different atmosphere once a year. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with it, and I liked it. It was fun.

435
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Speaker 1: Sometimes the ball was hard to see in the sky.

436
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: I think maybe they had some more lights but I

437
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: think all the tours are trying to figure out a

438
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Speaker 1: way to kind of merge all of the kind of

439
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Speaker 1: things in twenty twenty five that are on social media

440
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Speaker 1: and how you can merge them into professional golf. And

441
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: then for Live, this is our biggest tournament of the

442
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Speaker 1: year here in Adelaide. Rumors one hundred thousand tickets have

443
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,959
Speaker 1: been sold. Concerts every night. We just saw the exact

444
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: same thing at Waste Management. So I think this is

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Speaker 1: the biggest tournament by far that Live has and I've

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Speaker 1: been down here for all of them and it's always

447
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: great to come down to Australia. The Australian sports fans,

448
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: the Australian golf fans are amazing and I can't wait

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Speaker 1: for the tournament to start. It's going to be bigger

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Speaker 1: this year than it was last year, and it was

451
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Speaker 1: bigger last year than it was the year before which

452
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,719
Speaker 1: the first year, everybody that was on Live that came

453
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: down here was just blown away by how crazy the

454
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: fans are for golf in Australia and the golf course,

455
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, the Grange Golf It's not one of the

456
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,239
Speaker 1: superstore Australian sand belt golf courses, but the bunkering in

457
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: this part of the world is second to none. It is,

458
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the best bunkering in golf. And the

459
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: fact that they're going to play a professional golf tournament

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Speaker 1: and showcase Australian golf and kind of the sand Belt

461
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: kind of design and stuff. I'm here for it. I

462
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Speaker 1: love it. It's hot down here. Last year Live came

463
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: down to Australia in April, so they were going into fall.

464
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: It's in the hundreds here. It's firm, it's fast, it's bouncy,

465
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Speaker 1: and it is going to play very very lynxy and

466
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Speaker 1: they are trying to put some water on the golf

467
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Speaker 1: course to try and soften it, just to try and

468
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Speaker 1: save it because of the heat. But I think the

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00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: greens are going to get very very firm, they're going

470
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Speaker 1: to get very very fast, and I think on Sunday

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a shootout and there's going to

472
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Speaker 1: be a lot of stuff going on. But this is

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Speaker 1: Live's kind of flagship. To me, it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: their Players Championship right Live doesn't have any majors. If

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Speaker 1: I said this was like a major for Live, everybody

476
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: would crush me. So this is like to me, it's

477
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 1: like it feels like the players, right, it feels like

478
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: this is one of the biggest tournaments. This is their

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Speaker 1: biggest tournament of the year so far, and it's one

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Speaker 1: that everybody you know that is associated with Live has

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Speaker 1: marked on their calendar. And it's a fan favorite down here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fans just come out and support this,

483
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Speaker 1: very similar to the way that the fans come out

484
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Speaker 1: and support Waste Management. You know, they have their watering

485
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: hole here down in Adelaide for Live and Waste Management.

486
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Speaker 1: Last week had the sixteenth hole. They're a purists that

487
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: hate that. They're a purist that thinks that goes too far.

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00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like to watch it. So I

489
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: do think that professional golf is changing. I think it's

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00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: changing really right before our eyes, and I'm interested to

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Speaker 1: see where the landscape and where we go in the future.

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Speaker 1: We're already seeing this week in the last week or

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Speaker 1: so and this week again USGA RNA trying to find

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Speaker 1: a way and having a qualification system for the live

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00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: players to play in some of these tournaments. So I

496
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: think you're going to see more crossover. You hear all

497
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: the rumors about what's going on with a merger. When

498
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: will the two tours come together? Will they come together?

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Speaker 1: What will that look like? That's above my pay grade.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody knows what that's going to look like.

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00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: But if the off season showed me one thing, it

502
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: showed me that the professional golf landscape is changing. But

503
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Speaker 1: as I've said before to everyone listening, professional golf is

504
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Speaker 1: a very very very small, small part of golf. It

505
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: really really is. It's a huge part of it. It's

506
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: probably the biggest, most recognizable part of it because it's

507
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: on TV, because of the PGA Tour and all the

508
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: various tours all around the world. But the way that

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00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: all of you listening consume and watch content and watch

510
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: golf is changing, and I think all of the tours

511
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: are scrambling to try and figure out how they keep

512
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: up with that. What is the demand? What do you

513
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: as the viewer, as the golfer, what do you want

514
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: to see? And I think we've never been in a

515
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: time where all of our voices are being heard. They're

516
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: being heard by the tours, right They're definitely being heard

517
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: by the PGA Tour. The PGA Tour is trying to

518
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: pivot again. If five seven years ago you told me

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00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: that there would be a team indoor golf league that

520
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: Rory McElroy and Tiger Woods would be fronting, and on

521
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: Tuesday Night it would be on ESPN and America, Scott

522
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: van Pelt and all of the superstars that they have

523
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: involved in this and they're bringing out to showcase it

524
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: would be involved. I just don't think people would buy it.

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00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: I just think they'd go nah. I mean, they're never

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Speaker 1: going to do that. So I think there's a lot

527
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: of different ways to consume content, and rather than look

528
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: at all of the negatives about where a lot of

529
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: people think the game is going, the state of the

530
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: game and stuff like that, I try and look to

531
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: the positives and say, Okay, we're getting more eyeballs on

532
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: maybe some different ways of consuming golf content. Maybe we're

533
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: looking at different ways of formatting professional golf. I don't know,

534
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: but I think there was no competition. It was the

535
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: PGA Tour that was it, and European Tour, Asian Tour.

536
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: They weren't necessarily big players. It was the PGA Tour.

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00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: And now I think there are alternatives, There are options,

538
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of different ways to consume,

539
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: watch and ob all of the content that is out there,

540
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: and I'm here for it. I've got a podcast. I

541
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: continue to be blown away that I can be in

542
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia and someone who lives in Rio walked up

543
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 1: to me and said, huge fan of the podcast. I mean,

544
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: if you told me five years ago that would happen,

545
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't believe you. So the golf Lands tape is changing.

546
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: But focus on the positives that are positives for you

547
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: as a as a consumer of golf content. Where you

548
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: watch it, how you watch it, what you pay for.

549
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: You have power you can vote with you know what

550
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: you choose to watch. And there's a lot of content

551
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: out there. There's a lot of great golf being played

552
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: all over the world on a bunch of different tours.

553
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: There are a lot of great young players. I got

554
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: to watch Tom McKibben hit a lot of golf balls

555
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: last week. I've known Tom. He made the choice to

556
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: go to live. He's young. A lot of people are

557
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: questioning that decision. I've known Tom a long time. He

558
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: used to practic just at our place at my academy

559
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: in Dubai. I've hosted him and he's practiced at my

560
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: place in Florida. I think he's a bright star. I

561
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: think he is part of this next wave of really

562
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: good young players and we are going to continue to

563
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: see them. And it's interesting the choice that Tom made

564
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: to choose live over playing on the PGA Tour. He's

565
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: one of the players that finished inside the top ten

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Speaker 1: on DP World would get you automatic status to the

567
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Speaker 1: PGA Tour. Matthew Pavaughan, who I've had on the pod,

568
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: he did that, got to the PJ Tour one last year.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing Thomas Dietree just winning waste Management. He played

570
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: the majority of his golf even though he played college

571
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: golf in America, played the majority of his golf in Europe.

572
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: He's just one on the PGA Tour. So I think, again,

573
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: it's easy to look at all the negatives. I think

574
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: there are some negatives in professional golf right now, but

575
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: there are positives, and there are a lot of them

576
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: out there. And I've been saying this for three four years.

577
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: You can choose to watch any tour that you want.

578
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: Just because you're watching one tour doesn't mean that you're

579
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: not a fan of the other. That there's some sort

580
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: of litmus tests. You have to be a PGA tour person,

581
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: you have to be a live person, all of that stuff.

582
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of great golf all over the world

583
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: on so many different platforms that you as a lover

584
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: of golf, as someone that wants to watch golf, There's

585
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: never been a better time for golf content. It's out there,

586
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: you find it, and I'm excited to see where all

587
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: of that goes. So just a little brief kind of

588
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: what I've been doing. It's my podcast, so I can

589
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: talk about that. We've got some really great guests coming up,

590
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: and we're going to continue to try and give you

591
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: as much great content as possible. Son of a Butch

592
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: comes to you most every week. I try and get

593
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: it out every week. My travel schedule sometimes that's tough,

594
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: but be patient. And I continue to be blown away

595
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: by how many people listen to the show. And I

596
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: can't think all of you enough for making the podcast

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00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: a success. Without you all listening, this doesn't happen. We

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Speaker 1: will see you next week.