1 00:00:17,242 --> 00:00:28,202 Speaker 1: Pushkin cast your minds back to the fall of twenty eleven. 2 00:00:29,082 --> 00:00:31,842 Speaker 1: If you were on a college campus anywhere in the country, 3 00:00:32,082 --> 00:00:34,682 Speaker 1: you were probably hearing something like this. 4 00:00:36,442 --> 00:00:36,762 Speaker 2: It's not. 5 00:00:57,002 --> 00:00:57,842 Speaker 3: Everyone there. 6 00:01:02,442 --> 00:01:05,562 Speaker 1: Occupy Wall Street protests weren't just happening on Wall Street 7 00:01:05,801 --> 00:01:09,521 Speaker 1: or in New York. They exploded everywhere. People were taking 8 00:01:09,562 --> 00:01:14,522 Speaker 1: to the streets to protest economic inequality. At Iowa State University, 9 00:01:14,642 --> 00:01:18,842 Speaker 1: student protesters began to focus on one particular example of 10 00:01:18,961 --> 00:01:22,041 Speaker 1: corporate greed by one of the university's board members. 11 00:01:22,842 --> 00:01:26,362 Speaker 4: Bruce Rastatter is not a stranger in Iowa. That's a 12 00:01:26,482 --> 00:01:29,922 Speaker 4: name that people who are involved in ag and food 13 00:01:29,922 --> 00:01:34,161 Speaker 4: systems are very familiar with already, and we were quite 14 00:01:34,202 --> 00:01:40,881 Speaker 4: concerned about the involvement of our institution in what seemed 15 00:01:40,961 --> 00:01:48,282 Speaker 4: like a very colonial agricultural development project, and immediately started 16 00:01:48,322 --> 00:01:49,522 Speaker 4: asking some questions. 17 00:01:50,082 --> 00:01:53,322 Speaker 1: This is Angie Carter. She was a student organizer with 18 00:01:53,482 --> 00:01:57,761 Speaker 1: Occupy at Iowa State University at the time, where Bruce 19 00:01:57,882 --> 00:02:02,522 Speaker 1: Rastetter was on the board of regents. The Oakland Institute, 20 00:02:02,602 --> 00:02:05,882 Speaker 1: a nonprofit policy think tank, had just released a report 21 00:02:06,002 --> 00:02:09,202 Speaker 1: about how Rastetter had wrote Iowa State into a land 22 00:02:09,242 --> 00:02:14,842 Speaker 1: deal in Tanzania. He'd initially pitched it as a sustainable 23 00:02:14,962 --> 00:02:19,882 Speaker 1: development project. Two companies related to Bruce's Summit Agricultural Group, 24 00:02:20,082 --> 00:02:23,602 Speaker 1: partnered with Iowa State University and wanted to buy some 25 00:02:23,682 --> 00:02:28,242 Speaker 1: land in Tanzania and use it to help bring modern 26 00:02:28,322 --> 00:02:32,402 Speaker 1: agricultural practices to the country. They would grow corn and 27 00:02:32,442 --> 00:02:36,002 Speaker 1: soybeans there and also teach the locals how to produce 28 00:02:36,242 --> 00:02:39,002 Speaker 1: added value products. Sound familiar. 29 00:02:39,762 --> 00:02:46,402 Speaker 3: Cycle one is deforestation in cattle. Cycle two is so 30 00:02:46,522 --> 00:02:50,602 Speaker 3: Cycle two point five is soy corn. Basically, you know, 31 00:02:50,962 --> 00:02:55,882 Speaker 3: the combination Cycle three now gets be what we would 32 00:02:55,962 --> 00:03:00,562 Speaker 3: say industrial, more added value, more different than ile. 33 00:03:01,122 --> 00:03:04,882 Speaker 1: That's Corey Melbe, the agricultural consultant we heard from in 34 00:03:04,922 --> 00:03:09,442 Speaker 1: Brazil last time. Anyhow, Bruce and his partners were hoping 35 00:03:09,482 --> 00:03:12,442 Speaker 1: Oakland Institute would sign on and lend their stamp of 36 00:03:12,482 --> 00:03:17,042 Speaker 1: approval to the project. Instead, the nonprofit brought global attention 37 00:03:17,162 --> 00:03:19,682 Speaker 1: to the fact that one guy sat at the center 38 00:03:19,722 --> 00:03:22,162 Speaker 1: of all of it. It seemed to be the only 39 00:03:22,202 --> 00:03:27,602 Speaker 1: one who would actually benefit, Bruce Restetter. Iowa State University's 40 00:03:27,722 --> 00:03:32,042 Speaker 1: involvement had also been brokeered by Bruce. He insisted that 41 00:03:32,122 --> 00:03:35,442 Speaker 1: while he wanted the project to be financially successful, he 42 00:03:35,522 --> 00:03:39,402 Speaker 1: saw it as largely a philanthropic one, and they. 43 00:03:39,362 --> 00:03:42,762 Speaker 4: Sent some initial researchers from Iowa stayed over, you know, 44 00:03:42,842 --> 00:03:45,922 Speaker 4: to do soil sampling and things. And he was proposing 45 00:03:45,922 --> 00:03:50,202 Speaker 4: that there would be opportunities to do development projects. And 46 00:03:50,242 --> 00:03:52,002 Speaker 4: it just seemed to us that this was all in 47 00:03:52,122 --> 00:03:55,522 Speaker 4: his interest right, that he was using the public university 48 00:03:55,562 --> 00:03:59,522 Speaker 4: to further his private interests. The Oakland Institute was also asking, 49 00:04:00,162 --> 00:04:03,602 Speaker 4: you know, if this is a true development project, you know, like, 50 00:04:04,202 --> 00:04:07,122 Speaker 4: where's the input of the folks on the ground, What 51 00:04:07,242 --> 00:04:08,242 Speaker 4: do they know about this? 52 00:04:08,442 --> 00:04:09,802 Speaker 5: When did they know about this? 53 00:04:10,082 --> 00:04:11,362 Speaker 4: How have they been in. 54 00:04:12,042 --> 00:04:15,362 Speaker 1: That was an important question because Bruce's company and the 55 00:04:15,402 --> 00:04:20,842 Speaker 1: Tanzanian government had been describing this land as empty and uninhabited, 56 00:04:21,322 --> 00:04:25,042 Speaker 1: but there were one hundred and sixty thousand Burundi refugees 57 00:04:25,282 --> 00:04:29,042 Speaker 1: living and farming on it. They'd been there for forty years. 58 00:04:29,442 --> 00:04:32,762 Speaker 1: Many members of the community had been born there, they'd 59 00:04:32,762 --> 00:04:35,802 Speaker 1: been born in Tanzania, but only the year prior, in 60 00:04:35,882 --> 00:04:41,002 Speaker 1: twenty ten, had been afforded citizenship rights. Sort of. Now, 61 00:04:41,042 --> 00:04:44,162 Speaker 1: the deal was agree to be evicted and we'll give 62 00:04:44,162 --> 00:04:45,762 Speaker 1: you the final papers. 63 00:04:46,122 --> 00:04:49,442 Speaker 4: We were in the sustainable agriculture program, and I think 64 00:04:49,642 --> 00:04:53,002 Speaker 4: just the social justice implications both on the Iowa side 65 00:04:53,042 --> 00:04:57,082 Speaker 4: of abusing this public resource and of course on the 66 00:04:57,082 --> 00:05:01,601 Speaker 4: Tanzanian side, thinking about the human rights of the Burundi refugees. 67 00:05:01,162 --> 00:05:02,362 Speaker 1: Who were to be displaced. 68 00:05:02,882 --> 00:05:03,962 Speaker 4: We were really concerned. 69 00:05:04,642 --> 00:05:08,481 Speaker 1: The Tanzanian government's plan was to scatter these people throughout 70 00:05:08,482 --> 00:05:10,882 Speaker 1: the country, giving them no choice about where they were 71 00:05:11,122 --> 00:05:17,122 Speaker 1: located and only two hundred dollars to start over. Rastatter 72 00:05:17,122 --> 00:05:20,002 Speaker 1: and other executives involved with the project said the refugees 73 00:05:20,042 --> 00:05:23,562 Speaker 1: weren't their responsibility and they couldn't do anything about the 74 00:05:23,602 --> 00:05:28,442 Speaker 1: government's plan. But the students, local organizers and the Oakland 75 00:05:28,602 --> 00:05:33,082 Speaker 1: Institute thought that answer wasn't good enough. They campaigned against 76 00:05:33,122 --> 00:05:36,402 Speaker 1: the project and went to the media. They even got 77 00:05:36,482 --> 00:05:37,762 Speaker 1: Dan rather to cover it. 78 00:05:38,322 --> 00:05:42,682 Speaker 2: When we spoke to Agrosoft's business partners in Tanzania, they said, 79 00:05:42,802 --> 00:05:46,482 Speaker 2: what happens to the refugees should not be their concern. 80 00:05:47,602 --> 00:05:48,642 Speaker 5: What's your response to that? 81 00:05:49,602 --> 00:05:50,802 Speaker 1: You know they cannot get away. 82 00:05:50,842 --> 00:05:52,642 Speaker 2: In fact, that's actually one of the things I was 83 00:05:52,682 --> 00:05:56,482 Speaker 2: also told by mister Rastutter as well as by university. 84 00:05:56,882 --> 00:05:59,242 Speaker 2: Now you're hoping to make a lot of money by 85 00:05:59,282 --> 00:06:02,562 Speaker 2: moving into an area where somebody already lives. To put 86 00:06:02,602 --> 00:06:08,002 Speaker 2: on the entire responsibility and the blame onto the government 87 00:06:08,162 --> 00:06:12,361 Speaker 2: is extremely irresponsible, especially when the people who were involved 88 00:06:12,402 --> 00:06:16,002 Speaker 2: in it talk about it being a socially responsible investment. 89 00:06:16,842 --> 00:06:20,722 Speaker 1: That was Anorata Mittal, executive director of the Oakland Institute, 90 00:06:20,842 --> 00:06:25,162 Speaker 1: talking to Rather in twenty eleven. Had the Tanzania deal 91 00:06:25,322 --> 00:06:28,402 Speaker 1: been the only bad press Bruce Rastetter ever got in 92 00:06:28,442 --> 00:06:32,002 Speaker 1: his home state, it might have just blown over. But 93 00:06:32,122 --> 00:06:35,842 Speaker 1: Iowans were understanding it through the lens of past stories. 94 00:06:36,562 --> 00:06:39,481 Speaker 1: Here's former Iowa State student Angie Carter. Again. 95 00:06:39,962 --> 00:06:44,802 Speaker 4: A lot of farmers dislike him because he's described as 96 00:06:44,842 --> 00:06:48,442 Speaker 4: the person who consolidated the pork industry and then sold 97 00:06:48,442 --> 00:06:50,722 Speaker 4: all that to consolidate the ethanol. 98 00:06:50,402 --> 00:06:52,762 Speaker 1: Industry and has just been. 99 00:06:52,962 --> 00:06:57,082 Speaker 4: Really fueling the agricultural consolidation at the state level, which 100 00:06:57,122 --> 00:07:00,162 Speaker 4: has put a lot of farmers out of business. 101 00:07:00,922 --> 00:07:04,522 Speaker 1: By roping the state's public university into his business, Bruce 102 00:07:04,522 --> 00:07:10,402 Speaker 1: had really become a villain for some Iowans. I'm in 103 00:07:10,522 --> 00:07:13,522 Speaker 1: u Western and this is carbon Cowboys, the story of 104 00:07:13,562 --> 00:07:16,322 Speaker 1: how the ethanol kingpin of Iowa became the king of 105 00:07:16,402 --> 00:07:19,602 Speaker 1: corn in Brazil and what it tells us about the 106 00:07:19,682 --> 00:07:23,242 Speaker 1: limits of technology and markets to solve the climate crisis. 107 00:07:24,002 --> 00:07:27,522 Speaker 1: This season is a collaboration between Drilled and The Intercept Brazil. 108 00:07:28,042 --> 00:07:31,202 Speaker 1: You can get the Portuguese version hosted by Philippe Sabrina 109 00:07:31,402 --> 00:07:35,962 Speaker 1: over on the Intercept Brazil's feed. Bruce Rastetter and his 110 00:07:36,122 --> 00:07:39,962 Speaker 1: companies and their various pr people have declined our various 111 00:07:40,042 --> 00:07:43,002 Speaker 1: interview requests, though they did get on a background called 112 00:07:43,002 --> 00:07:45,522 Speaker 1: the Checks and Facts. So we had to talk to 113 00:07:45,562 --> 00:07:55,882 Speaker 1: other Iowans after the break a visit with Bruce's neighbors. 114 00:08:00,722 --> 00:08:03,482 Speaker 1: When most people think of Iowa, they think of people 115 00:08:03,802 --> 00:08:04,802 Speaker 1: like Kathy Carter. 116 00:08:05,722 --> 00:08:08,722 Speaker 6: Oh, excuse me, I just had a swallow pop here, And. 117 00:08:08,762 --> 00:08:10,842 Speaker 1: For a long time Kathy felt like she was living 118 00:08:10,842 --> 00:08:13,282 Speaker 1: the essentil Iowa country life. 119 00:08:13,762 --> 00:08:16,922 Speaker 6: I'm a farmer's daughter and a farm girl. My husband's 120 00:08:16,962 --> 00:08:20,602 Speaker 6: ideal situation is to be at the end of a 121 00:08:20,722 --> 00:08:23,242 Speaker 6: very long lane, surrounded by a bunch of trees with 122 00:08:23,282 --> 00:08:25,402 Speaker 6: a hungry bear tight at the end of the driveway, 123 00:08:25,522 --> 00:08:28,482 Speaker 6: is what he says. That's how isolated he wants to be. 124 00:08:28,682 --> 00:08:32,602 Speaker 6: So this acreach, he planted a bunch of trees around it, 125 00:08:32,722 --> 00:08:36,362 Speaker 6: and you know, windbreak and other trees, and this was 126 00:08:36,401 --> 00:08:37,362 Speaker 6: his little Paradise. 127 00:08:37,602 --> 00:08:42,041 Speaker 1: About twenty years ago, things started to change. 128 00:08:44,202 --> 00:08:48,002 Speaker 6: Well, my husband was on an acreage in Hamilton County, 129 00:08:48,242 --> 00:08:53,722 Speaker 6: and Hamilton County borders Harden County. O Harden County is 130 00:08:53,761 --> 00:08:57,002 Speaker 6: Bruce rested Or's home territory. That's where he was born 131 00:08:57,002 --> 00:08:59,442 Speaker 6: and raised and where he has his big estate and 132 00:08:59,561 --> 00:09:04,041 Speaker 6: where he has his Summit Egg headquarters. And from our 133 00:09:04,122 --> 00:09:07,682 Speaker 6: living room window we could see the Summit Egg Headquarters 134 00:09:07,921 --> 00:09:09,922 Speaker 6: east of us, just a mile down the road. 135 00:09:10,401 --> 00:09:14,081 Speaker 1: Suddenly there were factory farms in every direction around Kathy 136 00:09:14,122 --> 00:09:17,602 Speaker 1: and her husband's home, with thousands of animals confined in 137 00:09:17,681 --> 00:09:18,722 Speaker 1: small pens. 138 00:09:19,681 --> 00:09:22,122 Speaker 6: Once in a while, in a nice quiet evening, we 139 00:09:22,161 --> 00:09:23,842 Speaker 6: could try and open a window and get a little 140 00:09:23,842 --> 00:09:26,682 Speaker 6: fresh air. We'd be sitting there watching TV and my 141 00:09:26,761 --> 00:09:30,962 Speaker 6: husband would sniff and he'd say, you better go close 142 00:09:31,002 --> 00:09:34,122 Speaker 6: the windows because the wind had shifted one tiny little 143 00:09:34,161 --> 00:09:36,282 Speaker 6: bit and the odor came in. We didn't dare go 144 00:09:36,322 --> 00:09:38,682 Speaker 6: to bed with the windows open because during the night, 145 00:09:38,921 --> 00:09:41,362 Speaker 6: you know, we'd get the smell, and once it's in, 146 00:09:41,561 --> 00:09:43,921 Speaker 6: it's really hard to get it out. It's just trapped. 147 00:09:44,401 --> 00:09:47,681 Speaker 6: I love to hang laundry outside. Well, I'd go out 148 00:09:47,722 --> 00:09:49,482 Speaker 6: and I'd stick my wet finger in the wind. You 149 00:09:49,482 --> 00:09:51,002 Speaker 6: know the old tricks, See, which was the way the 150 00:09:51,002 --> 00:09:53,922 Speaker 6: wind's coming. Yeah, Well, I'd go out and check the wind, 151 00:09:54,202 --> 00:09:57,641 Speaker 6: and oh, I can go hang out close today, and 152 00:09:57,681 --> 00:09:59,561 Speaker 6: I'd get a load of laundry done, and I'd walk 153 00:09:59,602 --> 00:10:03,202 Speaker 6: outside with my basketful of wet clothes and the wind 154 00:10:03,202 --> 00:10:07,962 Speaker 6: had shifted. We used to have a motorcycle, and it 155 00:10:08,041 --> 00:10:10,322 Speaker 6: got to the point where every direction is no matter 156 00:10:10,322 --> 00:10:13,602 Speaker 6: where we went, had to drive down the road through 157 00:10:13,681 --> 00:10:16,482 Speaker 6: a cloud of something, and so Way finally sold the 158 00:10:16,482 --> 00:10:18,681 Speaker 6: motorcycle because we just never used it. We never went 159 00:10:18,722 --> 00:10:19,762 Speaker 6: anywhere with it anymore. 160 00:10:20,362 --> 00:10:23,362 Speaker 1: Eventually, Kathy inherited a small plot of land about an 161 00:10:23,362 --> 00:10:25,082 Speaker 1: hour north where she'd grown up. 162 00:10:25,842 --> 00:10:28,402 Speaker 6: Dad and Mom had sold off the crop ground but 163 00:10:28,561 --> 00:10:31,442 Speaker 6: retained what used to be cattle pasture, and there's a 164 00:10:31,442 --> 00:10:33,322 Speaker 6: lot of woods at one end, and there's a creek 165 00:10:33,401 --> 00:10:34,002 Speaker 6: running through it. 166 00:10:34,362 --> 00:10:36,282 Speaker 1: There was no house or any buildings at all on 167 00:10:36,322 --> 00:10:39,482 Speaker 1: the property, but Kathy's husband Lou liked to drive up 168 00:10:39,521 --> 00:10:42,681 Speaker 1: there and go deer hunting, and after a few years 169 00:10:42,722 --> 00:10:45,281 Speaker 1: of driving back and forth, they found a house nearby 170 00:10:45,442 --> 00:10:47,442 Speaker 1: and moved there permanently. 171 00:10:47,521 --> 00:10:50,641 Speaker 6: And in August of twenty twenty one, I got this 172 00:10:50,761 --> 00:10:54,602 Speaker 6: letter from Summit Carbon Solutions saying that they were going 173 00:10:54,641 --> 00:10:57,362 Speaker 6: to do this CO two pipeline and it was going 174 00:10:57,442 --> 00:11:01,201 Speaker 6: to go across my property west of town, that old 175 00:11:01,242 --> 00:11:04,161 Speaker 6: pasture area where Lugo's hunting. That ground. It's not a 176 00:11:04,161 --> 00:11:07,562 Speaker 6: big piece of ground, but it's my ground and they're 177 00:11:07,561 --> 00:11:09,242 Speaker 6: going to put a CO two line across it. 178 00:11:10,442 --> 00:11:15,922 Speaker 1: What Cathy said, she felt like she'd left one part 179 00:11:15,921 --> 00:11:19,242 Speaker 1: of the state to escape Bruce's hog farms, only to 180 00:11:19,281 --> 00:11:21,282 Speaker 1: have him try to take her land for his carbon 181 00:11:21,362 --> 00:11:24,761 Speaker 1: pipeline in another part of the state. For its part, 182 00:11:24,881 --> 00:11:28,321 Speaker 1: Summit says its preference is to work out voluntary easements 183 00:11:28,401 --> 00:11:31,881 Speaker 1: with landowners, but it's also trying to build over one 184 00:11:31,921 --> 00:11:34,721 Speaker 1: thousand miles of pipeline, and it argues that giving too 185 00:11:34,761 --> 00:11:38,722 Speaker 1: much power to holdouts would make it impossible for any 186 00:11:38,761 --> 00:11:44,041 Speaker 1: big infrastructure project to be built. In July twenty twenty five, 187 00:11:44,322 --> 00:11:48,602 Speaker 1: Summit Carbon Solutions brought in a new CEO, Joe Griffin. 188 00:11:49,161 --> 00:11:52,442 Speaker 1: Griffin previously ran a natural gas company that was backed 189 00:11:52,482 --> 00:11:57,161 Speaker 1: by one of Summit's primary investors, Harold Ham. His first 190 00:11:57,362 --> 00:12:01,321 Speaker 1: order of business was repairing the company's relationships with landowners, 191 00:12:02,082 --> 00:12:06,522 Speaker 1: especially after both South Dakota and Iowa passed statewide bands 192 00:12:06,602 --> 00:12:10,282 Speaker 1: on eminent domain. South Dakota's band was signed by the 193 00:12:10,281 --> 00:12:14,681 Speaker 1: governor and is in place. Iowa was was ultimately vetoed 194 00:12:14,722 --> 00:12:19,441 Speaker 1: by Governor Kim Reynolds. Pipeline opponents point to her long 195 00:12:19,482 --> 00:12:24,681 Speaker 1: standing relationship with Rastetter, the top individual donor to her campaigns, 196 00:12:25,322 --> 00:12:28,802 Speaker 1: as a driver of that veto, but Reynolds insisted that 197 00:12:28,881 --> 00:12:32,641 Speaker 1: it was poorly written legislation that targeted just one type 198 00:12:32,641 --> 00:12:37,482 Speaker 1: of project, carbon capture pipelines. Opponents of some its Midwest 199 00:12:37,521 --> 00:12:40,922 Speaker 1: Carbon Express proposed two other versions of the bill in 200 00:12:41,002 --> 00:12:45,362 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Some at Carbon Solutions points to various 201 00:12:45,401 --> 00:12:47,322 Speaker 1: reasons that they got off on the wrong foot with 202 00:12:47,442 --> 00:12:50,521 Speaker 1: community members, from the fact that they had to submit 203 00:12:50,641 --> 00:12:53,801 Speaker 1: a proposed route as part of the permitting process before 204 00:12:53,842 --> 00:12:56,641 Speaker 1: they were even allowed to reach out to landowners, to 205 00:12:56,761 --> 00:12:59,482 Speaker 1: the fact that they were a new company just getting 206 00:12:59,521 --> 00:13:03,082 Speaker 1: their feet under them. Under Griffin's leadership, they've had at 207 00:13:03,161 --> 00:13:06,722 Speaker 1: least a dozen public meetings to try to repair relationships, 208 00:13:06,761 --> 00:13:10,722 Speaker 1: and even drafted a community and land ownership partnership program 209 00:13:11,082 --> 00:13:14,602 Speaker 1: and a series of commitments. They might have had an 210 00:13:14,641 --> 00:13:18,282 Speaker 1: easier time had they not been named Summit and had 211 00:13:18,322 --> 00:13:21,282 Speaker 1: rested or not been doing business a particular way in 212 00:13:21,362 --> 00:13:26,042 Speaker 1: Iowa for decades. Thanks to his early involvement in confined 213 00:13:26,041 --> 00:13:30,362 Speaker 1: hog farms and industrial scale corn and ethanol, rast Utter 214 00:13:30,482 --> 00:13:33,722 Speaker 1: is connected with the state's shift from family farming to 215 00:13:33,881 --> 00:13:39,961 Speaker 1: industrial agriculture for a lot of Iowans. One neighbor of Bruces, 216 00:13:40,002 --> 00:13:43,242 Speaker 1: who asked to remain anonymous and have his voice disguised 217 00:13:43,242 --> 00:13:46,521 Speaker 1: for fear of retaliation, described Bruce as more of a 218 00:13:46,561 --> 00:13:48,322 Speaker 1: businessman than a farmer. 219 00:13:49,122 --> 00:13:52,122 Speaker 7: He has a hunting preserve behind his house. He'll put 220 00:13:52,202 --> 00:13:54,362 Speaker 7: up a food plot and then go back and shoot 221 00:13:54,401 --> 00:13:57,441 Speaker 7: his record deer. That's really not hunting. If you ask 222 00:13:57,561 --> 00:14:01,402 Speaker 7: me his fish feeder, you know on his deck, Well 223 00:14:01,881 --> 00:14:04,682 Speaker 7: you go fishing and pull out some really nice pass. Well, 224 00:14:04,801 --> 00:14:06,802 Speaker 7: is it fishing if you feed him all the time. 225 00:14:07,602 --> 00:14:10,961 Speaker 7: He has a horse stable has these big, black, beauty, 226 00:14:11,122 --> 00:14:14,521 Speaker 7: full perk dron horses and he has a semi Summit 227 00:14:14,561 --> 00:14:16,681 Speaker 7: farms on it and the picture of a horse and 228 00:14:16,681 --> 00:14:19,802 Speaker 7: they go down the state fair. Bruce don't know how 229 00:14:19,842 --> 00:14:22,441 Speaker 7: to handle those horses. He has an amish guy to it. 230 00:14:25,402 --> 00:14:28,522 Speaker 1: Rest Atter hosts legendary parties in the large barn on 231 00:14:28,602 --> 00:14:33,962 Speaker 1: his property, often related to fundraising or campaigning for conservative politicians. 232 00:14:34,602 --> 00:14:37,842 Speaker 8: It's a big compound with a big party barn and 233 00:14:37,962 --> 00:14:39,122 Speaker 8: a huge house. 234 00:14:39,922 --> 00:14:42,962 Speaker 1: That's Jess Missouri again, the Sierra Club organizer you heard 235 00:14:42,962 --> 00:14:44,282 Speaker 1: from last episode. 236 00:14:44,362 --> 00:14:47,922 Speaker 8: He hosts an annual summer party. And this party is 237 00:14:47,962 --> 00:14:50,402 Speaker 8: like a political party, and people like Chris Christy and 238 00:14:50,642 --> 00:14:53,242 Speaker 8: Head Cruz, you name it, like all of the political 239 00:14:53,322 --> 00:14:56,162 Speaker 8: big wigs from across the country come to his summer party. 240 00:14:56,202 --> 00:14:59,122 Speaker 8: And that's where he winds and dines. And we've protested 241 00:14:59,162 --> 00:15:02,362 Speaker 8: a few times at his summer parties. But he's been 242 00:15:02,442 --> 00:15:04,922 Speaker 8: named in the news here in Iowa. Was the Iowa 243 00:15:05,442 --> 00:15:09,282 Speaker 8: political kingmaker. At our Iowa State Fair, one of the 244 00:15:09,282 --> 00:15:11,162 Speaker 8: buildings is called Rastetter Hall. 245 00:15:11,962 --> 00:15:15,602 Speaker 1: So Bruce was already disliked for his smelly hog farms 246 00:15:15,642 --> 00:15:18,122 Speaker 1: and for being the sort of farmer whose jeans are 247 00:15:18,162 --> 00:15:21,201 Speaker 1: just a little too clean, and then came the bad 248 00:15:21,322 --> 00:15:23,122 Speaker 1: breast for the Tanzania land deal. 249 00:15:23,322 --> 00:15:27,081 Speaker 8: So since twenty twelve, since that big land grab attempt 250 00:15:27,082 --> 00:15:30,922 Speaker 8: in Africa, he has become a dirty word in Iowa. 251 00:15:30,962 --> 00:15:35,802 Speaker 8: I think anyone who remotely followed politics or agriculture, you 252 00:15:35,882 --> 00:15:37,802 Speaker 8: say rast Set or you're going to get a response. 253 00:15:39,082 --> 00:15:42,602 Speaker 1: After the Tanzania story made global headlines, Bruce laid low 254 00:15:42,681 --> 00:15:50,962 Speaker 1: for a bit. But while the Tanzania project had imploded, 255 00:15:51,402 --> 00:15:55,042 Speaker 1: Bruce's interest in expanding his ZAG business beyond the US 256 00:15:55,602 --> 00:15:58,402 Speaker 1: had been peaked. He wasn't going to just let it 257 00:15:58,442 --> 00:16:01,442 Speaker 1: go so easily. Plus he had to have learned a 258 00:16:01,482 --> 00:16:04,162 Speaker 1: few key lessons. Make sure you get in business with 259 00:16:04,242 --> 00:16:07,162 Speaker 1: people who know the local land setup. Get to know 260 00:16:07,242 --> 00:16:09,522 Speaker 1: the people and the place a bit before you commit, 261 00:16:10,202 --> 00:16:14,242 Speaker 1: and find local bag partners and managers, not just local spokespeople. 262 00:16:15,122 --> 00:16:18,882 Speaker 1: Maybe don't be a pioneer. Go where others have gone before. 263 00:16:23,122 --> 00:16:25,642 Speaker 9: You know, eight Am, Cargo, Bungie, all the US companies 264 00:16:25,681 --> 00:16:28,282 Speaker 9: have done businesses you know, in Brazil for a long time. 265 00:16:28,922 --> 00:16:31,441 Speaker 1: But the idea of going into a foreign market and 266 00:16:31,561 --> 00:16:34,762 Speaker 1: modernizing it, that was still very much part of Bruce's 267 00:16:34,802 --> 00:16:37,762 Speaker 1: game plan for Brazil. This is Bruce on the Land 268 00:16:37,842 --> 00:16:40,002 Speaker 1: Ledger podcast in twenty twenty four. 269 00:16:40,242 --> 00:16:42,922 Speaker 9: We believe Brazil was going to raise a significant amount 270 00:16:43,042 --> 00:16:46,482 Speaker 9: of second crop corn. At the time, it was smaller 271 00:16:46,561 --> 00:16:50,722 Speaker 9: corn crop and twenty eleven and second crop hadn't caught on. 272 00:16:50,922 --> 00:16:54,162 Speaker 9: It was sunflowers and cotton this term. 273 00:16:54,042 --> 00:16:57,802 Speaker 1: He uses second crop corn. It's how people in the 274 00:16:57,802 --> 00:17:02,282 Speaker 1: corn ethanol business talk about sustainability in Brazil. If you 275 00:17:02,362 --> 00:17:06,282 Speaker 1: plant corn as the second crop after soybeans, for example, 276 00:17:06,561 --> 00:17:10,962 Speaker 1: then on paper, at least it's responsible for fewer environmental impact. 277 00:17:12,162 --> 00:17:15,921 Speaker 1: It's something corn ethanol guys need to do to qualify 278 00:17:16,121 --> 00:17:19,441 Speaker 1: for the lucrative sustainable aviation fuel market. 279 00:17:20,202 --> 00:17:22,722 Speaker 9: But it was clear to me that Mana Grosso would 280 00:17:22,722 --> 00:17:27,601 Speaker 9: outpace the US in not only soybean production like they have, 281 00:17:27,722 --> 00:17:30,042 Speaker 9: but they will produce more second crop corn in the 282 00:17:30,081 --> 00:17:34,202 Speaker 9: future than Minnesota and and soon to be than Iowa. 283 00:17:34,722 --> 00:17:36,642 Speaker 9: So we believed it was a good spot to build 284 00:17:36,682 --> 00:17:39,802 Speaker 9: a corn ethanol plant. So we built Brazil's first modern 285 00:17:40,121 --> 00:17:41,322 Speaker 9: corn ethanol plant. 286 00:17:42,002 --> 00:17:45,162 Speaker 1: This time there were no student protests or bad press 287 00:17:45,202 --> 00:17:49,082 Speaker 1: to stop them. Meanwhile, back in Iowa, with a steady 288 00:17:49,121 --> 00:17:53,442 Speaker 1: supply of cheap Brazilian corn and ethanol, Rastutter said about 289 00:17:53,442 --> 00:17:59,362 Speaker 1: expanding his business once again into a new added value product, carbon, 290 00:17:59,882 --> 00:18:00,321 Speaker 1: you can. 291 00:18:00,202 --> 00:18:01,722 Speaker 3: Almost say carbon questration. 292 00:18:01,882 --> 00:18:05,762 Speaker 1: It will be single or Corey was cutting out there 293 00:18:05,762 --> 00:18:08,522 Speaker 1: a little bit, but he said you could almost say 294 00:18:08,601 --> 00:18:13,802 Speaker 1: carbon sequestration would be cycle. For now, carbon sequestration is 295 00:18:13,882 --> 00:18:18,242 Speaker 1: checking a lot of boxes for corn ethanol. Guys, corn 296 00:18:18,282 --> 00:18:21,361 Speaker 1: ethanol has too high a carbon footprint to qualify as 297 00:18:21,402 --> 00:18:25,282 Speaker 1: sustainable aviation fuel. But if you attach a carbon capture 298 00:18:25,321 --> 00:18:29,561 Speaker 1: and storage project to an ethanol refinery, you can remove 299 00:18:29,601 --> 00:18:32,882 Speaker 1: that problem and create not just sustainable jet fuel, but 300 00:18:32,922 --> 00:18:37,681 Speaker 1: also a whole new revenue stream. That captured carbon can 301 00:18:37,722 --> 00:18:40,641 Speaker 1: be sold either as a carbon credit to a company 302 00:18:40,682 --> 00:18:44,482 Speaker 1: looking to offset its emissions or to an oil company 303 00:18:44,522 --> 00:18:48,042 Speaker 1: looking to inject it underground to help extract more oil. 304 00:18:48,642 --> 00:18:52,802 Speaker 1: It's a process called enhanced oil recovery. That's even before 305 00:18:52,841 --> 00:18:55,561 Speaker 1: you cash in on the tax brakes for both carbon 306 00:18:55,601 --> 00:19:00,242 Speaker 1: capture and sustainable aviation fuel. I was main competitor for 307 00:19:00,282 --> 00:19:03,722 Speaker 1: that market is Brazil, but now some it could play 308 00:19:03,762 --> 00:19:07,362 Speaker 1: both sides, cutting its costs for ethanol by producing more 309 00:19:07,402 --> 00:19:11,002 Speaker 1: of it in Brazil, refining it into sustainable aviation fuel 310 00:19:11,121 --> 00:19:15,081 Speaker 1: in the US, and capturing and selling carbon in both countries. 311 00:19:15,841 --> 00:19:18,482 Speaker 1: It was a win win. And how could anyone argue 312 00:19:18,522 --> 00:19:20,922 Speaker 1: against all that green entrepreneurship. 313 00:19:21,482 --> 00:19:25,842 Speaker 3: You got to give Bruce the guy's credit. They there 314 00:19:25,841 --> 00:19:28,042 Speaker 3: were all kids. They don't give a shit about any 315 00:19:28,042 --> 00:19:33,202 Speaker 3: of this now, But you know, I've got probably here 316 00:19:33,442 --> 00:19:36,162 Speaker 3: the three hunters and the liberals created this shit. 317 00:19:39,682 --> 00:19:43,922 Speaker 1: Then Bruce's carbon dreams began to turn into a nightmare 318 00:19:44,282 --> 00:19:51,162 Speaker 1: back home in Iowa in twenty twenty one, ten years 319 00:19:51,202 --> 00:19:55,282 Speaker 1: after he made front page news for a suspicious, supposedly 320 00:19:55,361 --> 00:20:00,282 Speaker 1: sustainable development in Tanzania. Maybe rast Utter thought organizers had 321 00:20:00,321 --> 00:20:04,402 Speaker 1: forgotten about him in Iowa, or maybe he thought environmentalists 322 00:20:04,442 --> 00:20:07,482 Speaker 1: would be thrilled about a big carbon capture project and 323 00:20:07,522 --> 00:20:10,202 Speaker 1: no one else would fight him on it. Whatever the case, 324 00:20:10,402 --> 00:20:14,802 Speaker 1: rast Utters company seemed wholly unprepared for the backlash against 325 00:20:14,841 --> 00:20:18,682 Speaker 1: their carbon pipeline project In the past few years. Even 326 00:20:18,762 --> 00:20:22,921 Speaker 1: Rastutter's conservative political allies have been turning on him over it. 327 00:20:26,042 --> 00:20:31,641 Speaker 10: Hi, everybody, welcome, Welcome, So I'd like to want you, 328 00:20:31,642 --> 00:20:34,002 Speaker 10: and we're going to just get started real quick with 329 00:20:34,042 --> 00:20:37,002 Speaker 10: our with our prayer, our father and haven. 330 00:20:37,442 --> 00:20:39,882 Speaker 1: In the summer of twenty twenty four, our reporter Molly 331 00:20:40,002 --> 00:20:42,762 Speaker 1: Taft took a field trip to Iowa. She went there 332 00:20:42,841 --> 00:20:46,282 Speaker 1: to cover what was happening with the Summit pipeline. She'd 333 00:20:46,282 --> 00:20:49,762 Speaker 1: head to public meetings, often held at the county fairgrounds, 334 00:20:49,841 --> 00:20:51,881 Speaker 1: down at the end of a country road between a 335 00:20:51,882 --> 00:20:53,641 Speaker 1: couple of cornfields. 336 00:20:55,042 --> 00:20:59,442 Speaker 9: So, yeah, it is packed, I thought the Guthrie County 337 00:21:00,202 --> 00:21:01,522 Speaker 9: Fairground event. 338 00:21:01,682 --> 00:21:02,082 Speaker 10: Sometime. 339 00:21:03,202 --> 00:21:06,921 Speaker 1: Those meetings often started with prayers like this one. 340 00:21:07,402 --> 00:21:12,002 Speaker 6: Our hearts are heavy with a burden, the threat a 341 00:21:12,121 --> 00:21:14,321 Speaker 6: gift st our rights to the property wheel. 342 00:21:15,442 --> 00:21:18,282 Speaker 1: She found a broad spectrum of people at these meetings 343 00:21:18,361 --> 00:21:21,841 Speaker 1: who really hated the idea of this pipeline. Dodging cows 344 00:21:21,882 --> 00:21:24,962 Speaker 1: down country roads. Mollie would head to the meeting location 345 00:21:25,242 --> 00:21:28,561 Speaker 1: expecting to find a small community center and a handful 346 00:21:28,561 --> 00:21:32,002 Speaker 1: of people, only to arrive and discover that it was packed. 347 00:21:32,522 --> 00:21:36,161 Speaker 1: One was even led by ultra conservative former Iowa Congressman 348 00:21:36,442 --> 00:21:37,082 Speaker 1: Steve King. 349 00:21:37,722 --> 00:21:39,682 Speaker 3: Thank Car, thanks all of. 350 00:21:39,642 --> 00:21:40,282 Speaker 7: You for being here. 351 00:21:40,361 --> 00:21:42,121 Speaker 11: A lot of you are here because we're the target 352 00:21:42,202 --> 00:21:45,881 Speaker 11: of SUN and it was the target of Larry Fink 353 00:21:46,162 --> 00:21:49,201 Speaker 11: and Navigators and Bruce rasted Or. 354 00:21:49,202 --> 00:21:53,682 Speaker 1: In summit Jess Missouri this year, club organizer gave presentations 355 00:21:53,722 --> 00:21:55,321 Speaker 1: at a lot of them too well. 356 00:21:55,442 --> 00:21:58,881 Speaker 8: SMIT, Carbon Solutions and the other carbon pipeline companies in 357 00:21:58,962 --> 00:22:01,242 Speaker 8: the country are telling us that this is how we're. 358 00:22:01,081 --> 00:22:02,522 Speaker 11: Going to solve climate change. 359 00:22:02,762 --> 00:22:04,682 Speaker 3: And whether you believe in climate change. 360 00:22:04,561 --> 00:22:07,122 Speaker 1: Or not, that is what Sun's going to Summit has 361 00:22:07,202 --> 00:22:10,321 Speaker 1: leaned into the idea of the pipeline as a lifeline 362 00:22:10,361 --> 00:22:13,641 Speaker 1: to the industry, and Molly talked to some ethanol folks 363 00:22:13,682 --> 00:22:14,682 Speaker 1: who agreed. 364 00:22:15,321 --> 00:22:18,482 Speaker 12: This opportunity of sustainable aviation fuel. 365 00:22:18,242 --> 00:22:20,402 Speaker 7: Is mind boggling. 366 00:22:20,722 --> 00:22:24,121 Speaker 1: Kelly Newan Hughes is a farmer in northwest Iowa and 367 00:22:24,162 --> 00:22:26,762 Speaker 1: a twenty year veteran of the ethanol industry. 368 00:22:27,402 --> 00:22:31,881 Speaker 12: It's a huge opportunity, but we won't qualify unless we 369 00:22:31,962 --> 00:22:33,642 Speaker 12: lower our carbon and sans city scores. 370 00:22:33,882 --> 00:22:37,242 Speaker 1: The sustainable aviation fuel market is expected to grow from 371 00:22:37,361 --> 00:22:40,482 Speaker 1: under three billion dollars in twenty twenty five to more 372 00:22:40,522 --> 00:22:44,321 Speaker 1: than three hundred and fifty billion by twenty thirty five, 373 00:22:45,242 --> 00:22:48,002 Speaker 1: and all corn ethanol companies need to do to be 374 00:22:48,121 --> 00:22:51,321 Speaker 1: part of that is install carbon capture on their facilities. 375 00:22:52,202 --> 00:22:55,321 Speaker 1: Kelly said, despite all those packed public meetings and people 376 00:22:55,321 --> 00:22:59,601 Speaker 1: opposing the pipeline where he's based, just as many or 377 00:22:59,601 --> 00:23:02,922 Speaker 1: more have quietly sold their land to summit for it. 378 00:23:03,482 --> 00:23:07,202 Speaker 12: In our area, roughly eighty percent of landowners have signed 379 00:23:07,242 --> 00:23:11,881 Speaker 12: ease months. And the situation is we have the loud 380 00:23:11,922 --> 00:23:16,802 Speaker 12: minority and the silent majority because people that are supportive 381 00:23:16,841 --> 00:23:18,762 Speaker 12: of it from the most part don't want to be 382 00:23:19,482 --> 00:23:23,882 Speaker 12: tackled or you know, don't have to want to deal with. 383 00:23:25,642 --> 00:23:26,561 Speaker 5: Negative people. 384 00:23:27,042 --> 00:23:30,561 Speaker 1: Kelly was opposed though, to the idea of imported Brazilian 385 00:23:30,601 --> 00:23:34,242 Speaker 1: ethanol being turned into sustainable aviation fuel in the US. 386 00:23:35,162 --> 00:23:38,522 Speaker 1: He views it as a threat to American producers like him. 387 00:23:38,642 --> 00:23:42,082 Speaker 12: The sustainable aviation fuel plant that's in Georgia right now, 388 00:23:42,121 --> 00:23:47,722 Speaker 12: it's producing sustainable aviation fuel with Brazilian ethanol. They're important 389 00:23:47,922 --> 00:23:49,162 Speaker 12: and that shouldn't be happening. 390 00:23:54,642 --> 00:23:57,682 Speaker 1: In addition to Brazilian ethanol being cheaper, some of it 391 00:23:57,762 --> 00:24:00,762 Speaker 1: has been working to make it lower carbon. I have 392 00:24:00,802 --> 00:24:04,361 Speaker 1: a producers can't compete with that. Corey Melby talk to 393 00:24:04,442 --> 00:24:05,202 Speaker 1: me about this too. 394 00:24:05,882 --> 00:24:09,601 Speaker 3: It's all the same shit, right because of private the 395 00:24:09,642 --> 00:24:14,482 Speaker 3: Brazilians you can get at a premium brush just overall 396 00:24:14,722 --> 00:24:15,441 Speaker 3: to the stage. 397 00:24:16,162 --> 00:24:19,641 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, some Iowans aren't worried about the long term environmental 398 00:24:19,642 --> 00:24:22,802 Speaker 1: impact of the pipeline or how it would affect the 399 00:24:22,841 --> 00:24:27,482 Speaker 1: ethanol industry. They're worried about its immediate health impacts. If 400 00:24:27,482 --> 00:24:30,321 Speaker 1: these pipelines and storage facilities are going to be built 401 00:24:30,361 --> 00:24:34,642 Speaker 1: around their homes, what if there's a leak. The example 402 00:24:34,762 --> 00:24:38,921 Speaker 1: everyone always points to on this is the town of Starsha, Mississippi, 403 00:24:39,282 --> 00:24:43,121 Speaker 1: where a small leek caused what sounded like a zombie apocalypse. 404 00:24:43,922 --> 00:24:47,242 Speaker 8: The town of Satarsha was guessed over. 405 00:24:47,321 --> 00:24:48,762 Speaker 3: Forty people went to the hospital. 406 00:24:49,081 --> 00:24:52,401 Speaker 4: People were passing out, going unconscious, foaming at the mouth, 407 00:24:53,081 --> 00:24:53,561 Speaker 4: and to. 408 00:24:53,482 --> 00:24:55,042 Speaker 8: This day they still have major. 409 00:24:54,802 --> 00:24:59,641 Speaker 1: Health impacts, memory loss, reading issues, and other neurological problems. 410 00:25:00,121 --> 00:25:03,442 Speaker 1: But the biggest concern for folks in Iowa the one 411 00:25:03,442 --> 00:25:06,682 Speaker 1: we heard about over and over again, it was land. 412 00:25:07,442 --> 00:25:10,322 Speaker 8: Summon egg and it's still in like the top ten 413 00:25:10,402 --> 00:25:12,682 Speaker 8: landowners of in Iowa. 414 00:25:13,361 --> 00:25:17,161 Speaker 12: He's trying to put this carbon pipeline through the state 415 00:25:17,642 --> 00:25:21,242 Speaker 12: take in other people's land by force, so basically they. 416 00:25:21,162 --> 00:25:23,722 Speaker 3: Own your land. They can do whatever they want with it. 417 00:25:24,442 --> 00:25:26,682 Speaker 1: Someone needs a certain amount of land to build the 418 00:25:26,722 --> 00:25:29,962 Speaker 1: pipeline along its preferred route, and if it can't buy 419 00:25:29,962 --> 00:25:33,122 Speaker 1: that land, it will resort to taking it with eminent domain. 420 00:25:33,962 --> 00:25:36,641 Speaker 1: Back at the public meeting in Iowa, our reporter Molly 421 00:25:36,762 --> 00:25:40,362 Speaker 1: caught up with Steve Kinkel, a former county supervisor who 422 00:25:40,482 --> 00:25:44,002 Speaker 1: unexpectedly found himself in the middle of this controversy. 423 00:25:44,882 --> 00:25:47,482 Speaker 11: And I actually brought it up to one of the 424 00:25:47,522 --> 00:25:51,161 Speaker 11: i Utility board members was moderating the meeting for summit 425 00:25:51,962 --> 00:25:54,481 Speaker 11: and I asked him. I said, so does a county 426 00:25:54,522 --> 00:25:56,601 Speaker 11: have any say in this? When are you going to 427 00:25:56,682 --> 00:25:58,841 Speaker 11: sit down and talk to us? Do we have a 428 00:25:58,922 --> 00:26:01,282 Speaker 11: say where it might go or whatever? And all I 429 00:26:01,321 --> 00:26:02,361 Speaker 11: got was a shrug of. 430 00:26:02,361 --> 00:26:04,601 Speaker 3: The shoulder, literally. 431 00:26:04,482 --> 00:26:06,202 Speaker 11: Literally in the meeting. 432 00:26:06,282 --> 00:26:10,402 Speaker 1: At the meeting, when Steve Kinkel and his fellow supervisors 433 00:26:10,442 --> 00:26:13,802 Speaker 1: passed an ordinance requiring that the pipeline be set back 434 00:26:13,802 --> 00:26:17,602 Speaker 1: from homes and schools in the county, somemit sued them 435 00:26:17,642 --> 00:26:21,722 Speaker 1: personally in their roles as supervisors, along with the county. 436 00:26:22,242 --> 00:26:24,722 Speaker 11: We revised our existing ordinance, you know, to put in 437 00:26:24,722 --> 00:26:28,362 Speaker 11: any other setbacks I talked about. We had three public hearings. 438 00:26:28,682 --> 00:26:30,641 Speaker 11: We could have waived two, but we made sure we 439 00:26:30,682 --> 00:26:33,202 Speaker 11: had three. Summit was at the meetings. 440 00:26:34,202 --> 00:26:37,482 Speaker 1: The ordinance restricted where carbon pipelines could be cited in 441 00:26:37,522 --> 00:26:40,842 Speaker 1: the county, but according to Kenkel, SMIT didn't file any 442 00:26:40,882 --> 00:26:43,762 Speaker 1: official comments about it, either in writing or at public 443 00:26:43,841 --> 00:26:45,482 Speaker 1: meetings held before it passed. 444 00:26:46,682 --> 00:26:49,681 Speaker 11: We had one hundred and some people either spoke for 445 00:26:49,841 --> 00:26:53,961 Speaker 11: the ordinance or had written comments favor the ordinance. We 446 00:26:54,002 --> 00:26:58,881 Speaker 11: had zero people submit anything against ordinance, including Summit, and 447 00:26:58,922 --> 00:27:01,921 Speaker 11: they were there, and I felt good after we passed 448 00:27:01,922 --> 00:27:06,601 Speaker 11: it because they had no questions, no comments, nothing about 449 00:27:06,601 --> 00:27:08,561 Speaker 11: the ordinance. And four days later they sue us and 450 00:27:08,601 --> 00:27:13,002 Speaker 11: sue us personally too. You're sued personal besides the county. Yep, 451 00:27:13,121 --> 00:27:14,081 Speaker 11: what's three supervisors? 452 00:27:14,121 --> 00:27:15,802 Speaker 6: So this is actually another one of my questions, what 453 00:27:16,242 --> 00:27:20,242 Speaker 6: on earth are we possibly serving for. 454 00:27:18,922 --> 00:27:23,882 Speaker 11: For suing us to stop us from enforcing the ordinances? Yep, 455 00:27:25,321 --> 00:27:29,161 Speaker 11: they're not serving us for damages. I didn't yet anyway. 456 00:27:32,561 --> 00:27:35,722 Speaker 1: At the same time, Bruce and his partner's carbon pipeline 457 00:27:35,802 --> 00:27:39,681 Speaker 1: was falling farther and farther behind schedule in Iowa. They 458 00:27:39,682 --> 00:27:42,841 Speaker 1: were selling the Brazilian government and local officials in Mato 459 00:27:42,962 --> 00:27:47,601 Speaker 1: Rosso on the many benefits of carbon capture. And it 460 00:27:47,722 --> 00:27:50,202 Speaker 1: worked and we've got pleasure. 461 00:27:50,282 --> 00:27:53,242 Speaker 8: Daniel Lopez from FS we'll talk to us about his 462 00:27:53,361 --> 00:27:56,602 Speaker 8: project is developing in. 463 00:27:55,522 --> 00:27:59,202 Speaker 1: In November five, I was at the annual UN Climate Summit, 464 00:27:59,361 --> 00:28:04,162 Speaker 1: the COP in Brazil, an event that was positively overflowing 465 00:28:04,522 --> 00:28:08,561 Speaker 1: with booths and talks and events about the marvels of 466 00:28:08,682 --> 00:28:12,722 Speaker 1: carbon capture. At one of them, Daniel Lopez, executive vice 467 00:28:12,722 --> 00:28:16,922 Speaker 1: president of Sustainability and New Business for Summits, Brazilian company 468 00:28:17,202 --> 00:28:20,841 Speaker 1: FS Fueling Sustainability presented a plan that sounded a whole 469 00:28:20,841 --> 00:28:24,242 Speaker 1: lot like Summits Iowa carbon capture plans, but this time 470 00:28:24,321 --> 00:28:27,602 Speaker 1: in Brazil. In fact, Lopez even called Mato Grosso where 471 00:28:27,601 --> 00:28:29,162 Speaker 1: the project is being built. 472 00:28:29,482 --> 00:28:31,321 Speaker 3: In Brazilian midwest. 473 00:28:31,922 --> 00:28:35,802 Speaker 1: That's right, the Brazilian midwest. And this time they'd learned 474 00:28:35,802 --> 00:28:40,602 Speaker 1: their lesson FS fueling sustainability would avoid having to take 475 00:28:40,642 --> 00:28:43,162 Speaker 1: farmers land for their carbon capture project. 476 00:28:43,642 --> 00:28:47,642 Speaker 13: This is a project that will be an ejected carbet 477 00:28:47,802 --> 00:28:50,402 Speaker 13: fo one hundred and twenty thousand tons per year, and 478 00:28:50,522 --> 00:28:53,282 Speaker 13: it's located inside with our four. 479 00:28:53,202 --> 00:28:57,602 Speaker 11: Uncle and all facilities or Brolian for pipelines, no impact 480 00:28:57,642 --> 00:29:00,562 Speaker 11: on farmers nearby and everything else. 481 00:29:00,882 --> 00:29:03,882 Speaker 1: According to Lopez, it wouldn't just create revenue for corn 482 00:29:03,882 --> 00:29:06,882 Speaker 1: ethanol producers, it would change the world. 483 00:29:06,962 --> 00:29:11,002 Speaker 12: Which genervating the first carbon negative at them of the world, which. 484 00:29:12,722 --> 00:29:14,522 Speaker 3: A protagonist on energy transition. 485 00:29:15,082 --> 00:29:18,322 Speaker 1: It helps that the FS carbon capture effort is funded 486 00:29:18,362 --> 00:29:20,122 Speaker 1: by the Brazilian government. 487 00:29:19,762 --> 00:29:24,042 Speaker 5: Which means we can move ahead and help with the government. 488 00:29:25,122 --> 00:29:27,242 Speaker 1: It's a little hard to hear him there, but he 489 00:29:27,322 --> 00:29:29,922 Speaker 1: says we can move ahead and help with the regulation 490 00:29:30,082 --> 00:29:35,602 Speaker 1: with the Brazilian government. Companies helping with regulation, It's not 491 00:29:35,922 --> 00:29:41,322 Speaker 1: historically resulted in great climate solutions. Next time, How Bruce 492 00:29:41,362 --> 00:29:44,802 Speaker 1: and the guys managed to take over the Brazilian Midwest 493 00:29:45,242 --> 00:29:52,882 Speaker 1: in just a decade. 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