Speaker 1: It's eleven fifty p m. In the snowy autumnal forest
Speaker 1: of Cruise, AWA, and you're listening Tonight Call. Welcome to
Speaker 1: Night Call, a podcast for your strange days and lonely nights.
Speaker 1: My name is Emily Rashida. I'm in New York and
Speaker 1: with me on the other end of the line on
Speaker 1: the other coast are Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch. Hey, Hey, gang, guys,
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Speaker 1: you can always be anonymous. Ask us stuff or tell
Speaker 1: us things that you think will be interested in. So
Speaker 1: we all were very very sad, as was pretty much
Speaker 1: all of l A and many people who enjoyed the
Speaker 1: writing of Jonathan Gold to find that he had passed away.
Speaker 1: Um this past weekend. By the time you listen to this,
Speaker 1: that the news will be a week old. But um,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Gold meant a lot to each of us. I
Speaker 1: think we all had kind of different personal connections to
Speaker 1: him and his writing, and he was one of the most,
Speaker 1: if not the most talented food writer. He was. He
Speaker 1: had his beginnings as a music writer at l a weekly,
Speaker 1: and he was also just a very generous person when
Speaker 1: it came to encouraging younger writers. Um. I was looking
Speaker 1: through my old g chats and I found one with
Speaker 1: Molly from ten years ago when she was telling me
Speaker 1: that Jonathan Gold had gotten in touch with her and uh,
Speaker 1: we were all kind of like scrambling for jobs and
Speaker 1: it meant so much, and I was like, who's Jonathan Gold.
Speaker 1: It was so weird reading a g chat from ten
Speaker 1: years ago because I didn't know. I mean, I was like,
Speaker 1: on some level aware we could do that, but you
Speaker 1: were like, hey, here's the g chat from when you
Speaker 1: were going to meet Jonathan at a restaurant top lunch,
Speaker 1: and you were so nervous that I was reading it.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is very weird. Also weird that
Speaker 1: the chat mentioned Mama Mia and turtles, and Molly saved
Speaker 1: a turtle from crossing the road that same day. But
Speaker 1: that's beside the point. I want to know how how
Speaker 1: you first got in touch with Jonathan and how you
Speaker 1: got that connection. He's a family friend and my friend
Speaker 1: Vanessas and she told me that she had been at
Speaker 1: a dinner with him, her family and his family had
Speaker 1: dinner together a lot, and that she had mentioned me
Speaker 1: and he had been like, oh, you know, Molly Lambert.
Speaker 1: I was like, why how does he know who I am? Um?
Speaker 1: But he read my old blog, this recording um, which
Speaker 1: was really cool, and you know, I was doing it
Speaker 1: for free, so it was obviously like very gratifying to
Speaker 1: hear that somebody who was a huge hero of mine
Speaker 1: like liked what I was doing at all, and it
Speaker 1: really like gave me a lot of it get pushed
Speaker 1: me through just like several more years of like not
Speaker 1: getting paid to write because I was like, hopefully I'm
Speaker 1: doing something that like somebody will want someday professional acceptance
Speaker 1: from the people work up to. Yeah. I mean he's
Speaker 1: such like a sweet person and so generous and like
Speaker 1: a lot of people have said this, but like he
Speaker 1: and Lorio Chowa, who was the editor of The l
Speaker 1: A Weekly for a really long time, we're just like
Speaker 1: so welcoming to young writers, which is like not how
Speaker 1: most people are at all, you know. And they were
Speaker 1: so like genuinely interested in like nurturing people's talent and
Speaker 1: like encouraging people to write about things they were actually
Speaker 1: interested in. Um. And one of the things that sucks
Speaker 1: so bad about The l A Weekly getting bought by
Speaker 1: this right wing company and firing everybody and becoming sort
Speaker 1: of a zombie version of itself is like there are
Speaker 1: really just no local publications left in l A that
Speaker 1: cover the kinds of things that like Jonathan Gold covered,
Speaker 1: you know, and there are lots of great writers in
Speaker 1: l A that, you know, want to write about l
Speaker 1: A and have things to say and maybe don't have
Speaker 1: a place to do that because there's so much national news.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, very difficult to get people to
Speaker 1: care about local stories. But local news is so important,
Speaker 1: and I feel like what made him such a great
Speaker 1: voice is that it was so local and so specific. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, between him and Laurie, I feel like if
Speaker 1: there was enough of a nurturing If there wasn't enough
Speaker 1: funding and just like enough space, you could even easily
Speaker 1: imagine many more kind of mentors and editors and just
Speaker 1: just like I don't know, uh, intellectual, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what you would call what they do. They're just
Speaker 1: like the people who care about writers in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and want there to be a really strong community and
Speaker 1: tradition of writing about Los Angeles, whether they're actually doing
Speaker 1: reporting or if you're writing about culture or food or
Speaker 1: And there's something about that where maybe it's because there's
Speaker 1: less of us, are the people that are really competitive
Speaker 1: and petty or you're all like only trying to make
Speaker 1: TV and film, you know, but like there's something about
Speaker 1: just journalism in Los Angeles where it's like everybody, because
Speaker 1: we're so spread out, everyone just like bands together and
Speaker 1: encourages each other, uh, you know, and and it's nice.
Speaker 1: And I have met a lot of people doing the
Speaker 1: boycott l A Weekly stuff, um, a lot of great
Speaker 1: writers and people like Jeff Weiss obviously we've known for
Speaker 1: a long time who covers local rap in l A.
Speaker 1: And a lot of stuff that ends up becoming a
Speaker 1: big story later, you know, because nothing starts as like
Speaker 1: a big story. Things start as like people start locally,
Speaker 1: um and Captain Spires, Yeah, Katherine Spires, who was the
Speaker 1: food reviewer after Jonathan Gold in the l A Weekly,
Speaker 1: who I think is just like brilliant and a great writer.
Speaker 1: And there's all these people and there's just no publications
Speaker 1: serving that need. And yeah, I think we all just
Speaker 1: probably grew up thinking of like, oh, it would be
Speaker 1: great to work at a magazine and have like a
Speaker 1: magazine family, you know, like a Mary Tyler Moore thing
Speaker 1: of just like a group of people that are all
Speaker 1: interested in what each other are doing, and competitive, and
Speaker 1: like a healthy way that is good for the greater,
Speaker 1: good for the work everybody's doing, right, competitive and a
Speaker 1: like you want to be better because your peers are
Speaker 1: doing so well, not in a like you don't want
Speaker 1: anyone to succeed because that you can't wait, which is like,
Speaker 1: you know what a lot of things feel like because
Speaker 1: everything is so bad in journalism. I was just going
Speaker 1: to ask, what if you guys had any favorite Jonathan
Speaker 1: Gold reviews or pieces or moments or anything like when
Speaker 1: you first discovered him. Yeah, I mean, I you know,
Speaker 1: I grew up reading him in the weekly, and getting
Speaker 1: the weekly it was like a religious experience, you know,
Speaker 1: like it would come out. It was before the Internet,
Speaker 1: before I think there were just calendars even for things.
Speaker 1: You know. I would go look through show listings and
Speaker 1: be like, someday I'll be old enough to get into
Speaker 1: these class believably too soon, you were. Even then, I
Speaker 1: was still excited about it. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: like cut out the schedules and put them on my wall.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I would just like devour the whole thing,
Speaker 1: you know. I would read the old comics and the
Speaker 1: back page classifieds and all the phone sax ads for
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Yeah, I mean for me having moved there,
Speaker 1: not growing up with the weekly, but it being there
Speaker 1: when I moved at seventeen years old and being a
Speaker 1: college student and also really not having that much money.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to be said for reading you can do,
Speaker 1: and journalism you can read, and any kind of writing
Speaker 1: that was free. But yeah, but it was I mean,
Speaker 1: just the whole all weekly model has obviously kind of collapsed,
Speaker 1: you know, And part of it is because you know
Speaker 1: somebody who's saying they were, like, journalism is not dying,
Speaker 1: like rich people are killing it. It's not passively dying.
Speaker 1: People are stuff. People still want to know about shows
Speaker 1: and places to eat. There's obviously a huge audience for that.
Speaker 1: People spend tons of money on that stuff every year.
Speaker 1: It's just that on a local level, it's not being
Speaker 1: valued or it's not it's not going to make you
Speaker 1: a billion dollars, so therefore it's not considered worth anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean news newsroom resources are spread so thin and
Speaker 1: there's so much there's such a glut of national news
Speaker 1: that people don't want to cover local news because they
Speaker 1: have to cover the national news. But you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: like there is a big news story in l A
Speaker 1: yesterday with a hostage situation at a Trader Joe's. That
Speaker 1: was was a few days ago, but it was the
Speaker 1: same day, a really bad day, and I'll uh yeah,
Speaker 1: but people are saying, like, the only place you can
Speaker 1: find information about this right now is like on Twitter.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, I mean, I think that's the one
Speaker 1: thing about l A coverage is that you can find
Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff in a hyper hyperlocal sense,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean the East Sider was covering it.
Speaker 1: The east Sider covers just a small group of neighborhoods
Speaker 1: and the Sider. I know, you've got to they're friendly
Speaker 1: East Sider. But I think one of the great things
Speaker 1: just going back to Jonathan Gold, Um, I didn't start
Speaker 1: like I I was looking at the l a weekly
Speaker 1: for like just mostly the like creepy porn and the
Speaker 1: like terrifying news stories. I was like death Murder, like
Speaker 1: it's free paperback. Thank used to write on Attack. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: those are my stops. But I after Molly was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, Jonathan Gold emailed me. I looked him up
Speaker 1: and I was like this is this is amazing. So
Speaker 1: I came to him kind of late. It was only
Speaker 1: ten years ago, but um, I mean, I think one
Speaker 1: of the best things that he did was to push
Speaker 1: you out of your neighborhood and out of you know,
Speaker 1: your regular haunts and and to you know, I probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't have gone to the San Gabriel Valley ten years
Speaker 1: ago to just be like, oh, I just want to
Speaker 1: try like this little restaurant. It's like forty minute drive.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go and try it, or like going,
Speaker 1: you know, driving to Encino and like you know, taking
Speaker 1: the time to kind of like find these places that
Speaker 1: he would recommend oftentimes I thought he was wrong. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say it. I was like, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not feeling that you're not going to have the like
Speaker 1: blood cubes or whatever, not gonna have the blood cubes.
Speaker 1: I think it was I think I even can blame
Speaker 1: him for pie and burger, which I still everyone does
Speaker 1: but me. But look, I'm gonna it's my hill to
Speaker 1: die and burgers only know because of Jonathan Golden. I've
Speaker 1: never eaten there, but I'm just like, like, I know
Speaker 1: that name because of like, well, you would like the
Speaker 1: vibe anyway, because it's really great. But I don't think
Speaker 1: I mean I So I was saying like coming there
Speaker 1: as a newcomer to the city but not having a
Speaker 1: lot of money, and and just like also not being
Speaker 1: honestly that psyched about Los Angeles when I moved there,
Speaker 1: I the tables have turned. I told you, I've told
Speaker 1: you guys. You know, like I I thought that I
Speaker 1: was going to move to New York and I was
Speaker 1: going to go to film school in New York, and
Speaker 1: that did not end up happening. I ended up coming
Speaker 1: to l A instead, and so I definitely had a
Speaker 1: period of like it's so spread out, like every single
Speaker 1: complaint that everybody's ever had about l A. And I
Speaker 1: think that Jonathan Gult writing which I immediately just like
Speaker 1: I can't remember not reading it as soon as I
Speaker 1: got there. I think there was something where when it's
Speaker 1: something as kind of um uh, deceiving the deceivingly minute
Speaker 1: as food or or contained as food, you can find it.
Speaker 1: It's it's more approachable. So it's like I can't learn
Speaker 1: everything about everything in Los Angeles and the entire history
Speaker 1: of it, but I can start by learning about the
Speaker 1: food and what food you can get in each neighborhood,
Speaker 1: and and what these different cultures are that like have
Speaker 1: formed this history, this like food history in these different
Speaker 1: areas of Los Angeles. And that kind of became a
Speaker 1: way for me to make sense of what arriving there
Speaker 1: was just like this Hodgepodge and I posted h I
Speaker 1: posted his review of Oky Dog, which I've always loved.
Speaker 1: I always remember the line about like not being able
Speaker 1: to eat it unless you have the time of a
Speaker 1: sixteen year old. But that's how I felt about Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Moving there, is like it was so overwhelming. I ate
Speaker 1: so much junk food, and horrible stuff like okay dog
Speaker 1: and every single hot dog in Los Angeles, I think
Speaker 1: at some point and uh, and kind of found a
Speaker 1: way to find the joy and being like overwhelmed by
Speaker 1: the unfamiliar. Yeah, I mean again, it's like he and
Speaker 1: I talked about it because we're both locals, and it's
Speaker 1: like one of the things I loved about the way
Speaker 1: he wrote was that he didn't write about Los Angeles
Speaker 1: to address like an He didn't write about it in
Speaker 1: a way that's like for people who don't know, or
Speaker 1: he wasn't like trying to convince you that it's good.
Speaker 1: He's like everybody who lives here who's like a regular
Speaker 1: person knows it's good. It's only people who come from
Speaker 1: other places and tell us what they think it's like
Speaker 1: in an annoying way. It's like, yeah, yeah, we know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like people who want to be actors,
Speaker 1: but there's also a lot of people who are just
Speaker 1: like regular working class people who live all over Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: And food is like a way that people, you know,
Speaker 1: bond and socialized. Well, speaking of that, speaking of how
Speaker 1: and I just say something really hatery really quickly, and
Speaker 1: I'll keep this. I'll I'll tell you guys who I'm
Speaker 1: talking about when I when we go up the air.
Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody who lives partially in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles and um, we're talking about Jonathan Gold. And she
Speaker 1: has a job in the entertainment business and said that
Speaker 1: nobody that she worked with, who are all people who
Speaker 1: came out there to work in the entertainment business somewhat
Speaker 1: recently in the last few years, Uh, none of them
Speaker 1: knew who Jonathan Gold was, uh and didn't understand why
Speaker 1: he was important. And this is just like again, like
Speaker 1: he contains this microcosm of every single problem or thing
Speaker 1: that that is in Los Angeles. Because that just made
Speaker 1: me feel like, you don't know who Jonathan Gold is,
Speaker 1: Like you're not You're you don't care about living in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. I feel like like, especially being a privileged
Speaker 1: person with a in entertainment industry income, you're not going
Speaker 1: to find out about let You're not going to go
Speaker 1: and read some of his old columns or something like.
Speaker 1: I feel a lot of rich people who moved to
Speaker 1: l A aren't interested in like in particiscattering l A
Speaker 1: anticipating they just want to turn it into like what
Speaker 1: they wanted to do, which is why then when like
Speaker 1: the hills are on fire and they're like, we didn't
Speaker 1: move to New York for this, I'm always like, go home,
Speaker 1: go back home, don't come here, but also don't come here.
Speaker 1: We're full exactly. Okay, Emily, you can take a night
Speaker 1: call about food. Hey, night call, ladies. It's PM in
Speaker 1: Hot Austin, Texas, and I've got a question for you.
Speaker 1: My name is Maggie, and I just found out what
Speaker 1: muck bang is in the U K B A n G.
Speaker 1: It might be nuke thing, and I want to know
Speaker 1: what you girls think of it it because I think
Speaker 1: it's horrifying and I also feel that it's a tool
Speaker 1: that anorexics could use to, you know, essentially get their
Speaker 1: fixed without eating food. Um. Yeah, So if you guys
Speaker 1: can weigh in on muk bang or muke than, I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Thanks. Bye. Had you guys heard about muck
Speaker 1: bang or muck bang before, but I've heard of like
Speaker 1: I feel like eating interviews or feeder porn. Yes, I
Speaker 1: would say, first, I don't think that it would be
Speaker 1: something that you would use for eating disorders, because like,
Speaker 1: doesn't seeing someone eat just make you want to eat.
Speaker 1: Like when people see someone smoke on screen, it makes
Speaker 1: them want to smoke. It doesn't make them go like,
Speaker 1: oh god, you're saying, it's not it's like the opposite. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. I think when I when I saw that
Speaker 1: she before I looked it up, I thought that she
Speaker 1: was talking about one of these like kinds of calorie
Speaker 1: free noodles that you can get. Yeah, yeah, me too, zoodles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, it's like that kind of thing
Speaker 1: that just fills up your stomach. But no, it's it's
Speaker 1: so so can some of these people eating like a
Speaker 1: grip of spaghetti on camera and camera with its streamed
Speaker 1: live to write and people it's not it's not competitive eating.
Speaker 1: It's like just people doing like a live stream like
Speaker 1: a twitch of them eating. Well this on on the Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: it says that the hosts call themselves b j's Broadcast Jockeys,
Speaker 1: and they interact with people who are watching the broadcast
Speaker 1: through chatting. Bj bj is sometimes claim to be the
Speaker 1: audiences avatar and will exactly follow what people ask them
Speaker 1: to do. So in that sense, I kind of could
Speaker 1: see someone with an eating disorder be like stuff yourself
Speaker 1: like eat pizza like I could see that. Well, that's
Speaker 1: feeder porn, right, it is feeder porn. I mean, is
Speaker 1: everything that involves live streaming yourself like a form of
Speaker 1: cam girling? I am? I mean, how far do you
Speaker 1: want to stretch the definition? I mean I guess not, Like,
Speaker 1: how is it different from like somebody being like, here's
Speaker 1: me playing video games, like watch me play video games,
Speaker 1: which like tons of people watch. I mean, I remember
Speaker 1: where I was when I worked at a camera store
Speaker 1: and one of my one of my coworkers, would like
Speaker 1: you borrow the cameras on the weekend to help his
Speaker 1: friends shoot these videos. I think he did some for
Speaker 1: suicide girls, which dates this, but um where it was
Speaker 1: just like videos of girls smoking, like that was it? Okay,
Speaker 1: Well that's a fetish. So I'm sure there's people who
Speaker 1: have a fetish for like girls eating, but this doesn't
Speaker 1: even sound like it's just hot girls. It's just like
Speaker 1: they thought it was like for people who live alone
Speaker 1: and are lonely and want to like feel like they're
Speaker 1: sharing meals with somebody. I mean, to be fair, When
Speaker 1: I was in college and I was living by myself,
Speaker 1: which was great, but I would cook and then I
Speaker 1: would eat and I was like, it felt like I
Speaker 1: had to either be like watching TV on the internet
Speaker 1: because you're like it's kind of weird, just like and focus.
Speaker 1: It's like too much focused. So I could see how like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you just set it up like a
Speaker 1: bunch of people eating with all their webcams, just like
Speaker 1: we're sitting down eating having a virtual potluck. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of people also just like to have that sort
Speaker 1: of para social company if you are alone, which is
Speaker 1: why people like leave the TV on. That's why people
Speaker 1: like twitch is so popular. It's also like people like podcasts. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's that thing too of being like they are speaking
Speaker 1: just to me and then we are also come up
Speaker 1: again in our final topic for today, I was gonna say, yeah,
Speaker 1: but but we when we were doing girls and Hoodies,
Speaker 1: we would get some super creeps who would just be like,
Speaker 1: I like your cough, remember that, People who were like
Speaker 1: I like it when you clear your throat, And I
Speaker 1: was like, don't work that. Those were all the YouTube comments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the things I didn't even know you could sexualize,
Speaker 1: like somebody like sneezing, but like, of course you can,
Speaker 1: so like I wouldn't be surprised if people like were
Speaker 1: into eating videos for reasons other than just wanting to
Speaker 1: have a friend to eat with. Biological functions can be
Speaker 1: really big triggers for people who don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of like really intimate time with other people, Like if
Speaker 1: you're not in a close relationship with somebody or living
Speaker 1: with your family. I think that sometimes hearing, like if
Speaker 1: you happen to be standing in a train or something
Speaker 1: and you hear somebody cough, Are you still hear somebody
Speaker 1: sniffle or something? Sometimes it can be alarming because you're
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, I haven't heard another human
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Speaker 1: to be poisoned. Oh yes, Sorry to Bother You. This movie, um,
Speaker 1: so Sorry to Bother You is still in the process
Speaker 1: of being rolled out to multiple heaters, so check your
Speaker 1: local list. It's across this land spreading like a disease,
Speaker 1: which I love. I mean, it really is. Like I so,
Speaker 1: it's a film by Boots Riley, who it's his first film,
Speaker 1: but he's a musician and he has a band called
Speaker 1: the Coup Bear, a guy, super progressive, lefty socialist type dude. Um,
Speaker 1: and I have never I think maybe since Get Out,
Speaker 1: and I hate it. There's already been a controversy about
Speaker 1: comparing the two, Like obviously we can have to wildly
Speaker 1: creative debut films by black directors. Uh, we don't have
Speaker 1: to compare them directly to each other, but just in
Speaker 1: terms of like how much I've had people g chat
Speaker 1: me or text me and say, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: saw Sorry to Body, just like out of the blue,
Speaker 1: people I haven't talked to for a really long time.
Speaker 1: It's like a viral movie. Everybody who sees it tells
Speaker 1: everybody else to go see it. I saw it this
Speaker 1: weekend and the theater was totally packed, and I was
Speaker 1: just exciting that this movie was getting a packed theater.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think it's a very different movie
Speaker 1: from Get Out, Um, but it is also sort of
Speaker 1: a horror comedy, uh, a dark satire of what is
Speaker 1: going on. What's crazy to me is that apparently he
Speaker 1: wrote the screen plan but yes, and that was after
Speaker 1: I think there was a New York Times article about
Speaker 1: it that it sounds like we've all maybe read. But
Speaker 1: he was he wrote the screenplay, and then he snuck
Speaker 1: into a like NAPA Food and Wine private event because
Speaker 1: he wanted to give it to like Vigo Mortenson, but
Speaker 1: right and then he Vigo was like no, and then
Speaker 1: he emailed Vigo's resume. Well he may have been like
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I think like nobody you know.
Speaker 1: And and Boots Riley has been like I didn't expect
Speaker 1: anyone to take it, because it's like if a musicians like, hey,
Speaker 1: I have a screenplay, like everyone should run away. But
Speaker 1: then after Viego passed, he emailed Colin Firth's wife because
Speaker 1: I guess maybe Colin Firth was a fan of the coup,
Speaker 1: and Colin Firth was like, I don't know, and then
Speaker 1: he I think the first person he got was David
Speaker 1: Cross because they did a benefit together and David Cross
Speaker 1: is like, I'll do it, and then he Cross needs
Speaker 1: so bad really, and then Patton Oswald and then uh,
Speaker 1: and then Dave Eggers like made and published this greenplay
Speaker 1: as a book for mc sweeney's and now it's here.
Speaker 1: But it feels as though it could have happened, Like
Speaker 1: it feels as if someone wrote this like last month,
Speaker 1: and stuff has been happening for a long time. I
Speaker 1: think one of the amazing things I've seen him say
Speaker 1: on Twitter like he's a good fellow on Twitter right now,
Speaker 1: even though most of it is him retweeting people who
Speaker 1: are like, oh my god, I'm all sorry to bother you,
Speaker 1: but he is answering some people's questions and it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: And one thing was somebody asked him, like, did you
Speaker 1: write in that there were these tensities all over Oakland,
Speaker 1: because like that's the thing now, but I know that
Speaker 1: you wrote the script a long time ago, and he
Speaker 1: was like, originally it was sort of like, oh, five
Speaker 1: years in the future kind of postal apocalyptic type thing.
Speaker 1: And then it was like, well, no, they actually just
Speaker 1: like ended up being there, and we've used the actual
Speaker 1: tensities that are in Oakland. I just assumed intense tensities
Speaker 1: in Oakland always because we do in Los Angeles. I
Speaker 1: think I think that they're more like there are more
Speaker 1: of them now. Well, the Bay Area is obviously they
Speaker 1: have all the same problems that l A has in
Speaker 1: and they're bringing bringing some of them here now with
Speaker 1: tech and stuff. Uh, but you know, this is the
Speaker 1: movie about tech that needed to be made. Uh. I
Speaker 1: was so stoked coming out of it. And I was like,
Speaker 1: somebody made a postmodernist movie about something, you know, because
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like it reminded me of
Speaker 1: some other things like that, of like being John Malkovic
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I was like, not all of those
Speaker 1: movies were just about like, you know, man pain, and
Speaker 1: this is like a movie that actually has like a
Speaker 1: point and a purpose and it uses all those techniques,
Speaker 1: but it all feels very just like yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: one degree removed from how insane everything is. And then
Speaker 1: uh yeah, and it's just creative, like I mean, it's
Speaker 1: really I think, I think pulling off the thing where
Speaker 1: you do have a point to make and you are
Speaker 1: making a statement and a very political statement, but also
Speaker 1: being really creative and funny, funny and like staying light
Speaker 1: on your feet and continue, that's like a hard thing
Speaker 1: to pull off. I think it's a super hard thing
Speaker 1: to pull off. I mean, all the performances are so great.
Speaker 1: I love Tessa Thompson. I think the best line in
Speaker 1: it is when when he's he's introducing her, her name
Speaker 1: is Detroit and they were like other people in the
Speaker 1: car like Detroit and she's like, my parents wanted to
Speaker 1: name me something that sounded American, you know. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: it's that's just perfect. Obviously all of the names are
Speaker 1: a prime, isn't there Also at some point um in
Speaker 1: like a propaganda video, it's it's like directed by Michelle Dongrey,
Speaker 1: which yeah, yeah. That two felt like sort of like
Speaker 1: it was like a movie like just a huge leap
Speaker 1: forward for that kind of like postmodern joke exactly everything
Speaker 1: movie movie. Yeah, but I feel like something, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like we shouldn't give too much way. I saw
Speaker 1: some between the other point the other day there's like
Speaker 1: what's the what's the expiration date on talking about the ending?
Speaker 1: I sorry to bother you, because it is. It does
Speaker 1: have an insane ending that I somehow managed to partially
Speaker 1: forget and to all the trailer started coming out for
Speaker 1: a theatrical release because I saw this at Sundance and
Speaker 1: then I was like, I was totally I mean, it
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite films there obviously, and I
Speaker 1: remember a lot of like there was kind of a
Speaker 1: muted reaction among not everybody. I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: people there were very stoked on it, but there were
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are like, it's too much
Speaker 1: for me, And I'm like, I feel like, though, like
Speaker 1: we want this much stuff. Um. But I had kind of,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I guess this time, like forgotten or
Speaker 1: made myself forget about the ending of it. And then
Speaker 1: I remembered it a month before and just started laughing
Speaker 1: to myself because it's so insane. I was like laughing
Speaker 1: my brains out the whole movie, and not just because
Speaker 1: when I first walked into the theater, they were showing
Speaker 1: the trailer for A Star was Born, and I went
Speaker 1: like ha. I was just like I can't wait for
Speaker 1: that movie. I don't know either. I was just laughing.
Speaker 1: I know, the trailer is just amazing. I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: it big, and I was just laughing so hard. When
Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper shows up, look at all, looking all Chris Christophers, Um,
Speaker 1: everybody should go out and see Sorry, I see it.
Speaker 1: It's also a real I mean I I rarely go
Speaker 1: to the theater to see movies on opening weekend, and
Speaker 1: this I was very glad I did because it was
Speaker 1: great to see it with a crowd, and everybody should
Speaker 1: go see it and about it. Don't don't leave the
Speaker 1: theater right away, because that happened in my theater and
Speaker 1: I was like, no, yeah, don't do it. I hate
Speaker 1: to have to say that. Armie Hammer was amazing. He
Speaker 1: was I know, but you know he's been he's been difficult.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, god, damn it, he's perfect.
Speaker 1: And um, speaking of group experiences, you know, speaking of
Speaker 1: having a TV family, that you feels as real as
Speaker 1: real people. Um. I wanted to talk about terrace House
Speaker 1: before I left because I had just gotten into it
Speaker 1: and was like, what is this thing that I've been
Speaker 1: watching and it's your vander pump Rules. It kind of
Speaker 1: has become that I feel like it's my Maide in Chelsea. Um,
Speaker 1: for you, it's it's a little chillen than than vander
Speaker 1: Pump Rules. I think vander Pump Roules definitely has more
Speaker 1: of like a it's got that cokey glaze on it,
Speaker 1: people yell at each other. Made in Chelsea is like
Speaker 1: people are very polite because they're so posh and British.
Speaker 1: They would never like raise their voices, you know. So
Speaker 1: even when they're being very mean, they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: a count in it, they would never say in it
Speaker 1: because that's not posh. Um. But so terrace House, which
Speaker 1: I think the week that this comes out, there will
Speaker 1: be new episodes on Netflix, so you have enough time
Speaker 1: to binge watch the first two parts of the current
Speaker 1: season opening New Doors, um and terrace House is a
Speaker 1: reality show Japanese reality show that is on Netflix and
Speaker 1: it is also I think broadcast on for the TV
Speaker 1: in Japan. You and Brian Phillips are the only people
Speaker 1: only know who watch it, but you both watch it
Speaker 1: so much or no, Lindsay Webber too, Lindsay Webber, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I I know a handful of people who do.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. Bryan Phillips has been posting a lot of
Speaker 1: like Terrace House jips as they relate to soccer, which
Speaker 1: I feel like is a very specific ben diagram. There
Speaker 1: are so many. There's a really really good um Twitter
Speaker 1: account that's terrace House out of context that just has
Speaker 1: the subtitled like especially of the commentators. So so I'll
Speaker 1: explain the show for those who haven't seen it. It's
Speaker 1: just a reality show about um. They explained the premise
Speaker 1: in every episode, like six people are chosen to live
Speaker 1: in a house. To live in a house, all they
Speaker 1: provide the house and two cars and basically people just
Speaker 1: live their normal lives, like including having jobs. They don't
Speaker 1: give them money, they just give them a place to live.
Speaker 1: They have to buy their own groceries and stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know they get to live in this fabulous
Speaker 1: house and be on TV and um it's uh so
Speaker 1: it's about thirty forty minutes per episode, and the seasons
Speaker 1: instead of just having one cast that stays there the
Speaker 1: entire time. People can decide to leave at certain points
Speaker 1: and then they're replaced by somebody else. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of the feeling of like actually living in a house
Speaker 1: with housemates and then somebody decides to move out, and
Speaker 1: then you get a new roommate and and they is it.
Speaker 1: Is it boring? Well, you are kind of amused by
Speaker 1: it when you start watching it, because you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is so chill, Like I I love what counts
Speaker 1: for a conflict in this, you know, like like somebody
Speaker 1: is gossipated about how somebody's hot pot isn't as good
Speaker 1: as they expected it to be, or something, um like
Speaker 1: very very low stick stuff. But then I think, because
Speaker 1: it's almost like by turning down the volume, you start
Speaker 1: to be attuned to these little subtle dynamics and personality
Speaker 1: traits that I think that normally you don't get to
Speaker 1: really think about in much noisier and edited um reality shows.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it really replicates the stress of living
Speaker 1: in like a coopy environment people and I hate like
Speaker 1: I I have had roommates in the past when all
Speaker 1: of the experiences have been terrible, but in general. Having
Speaker 1: grown up as an only child, it's incredibly stressful to me.
Speaker 1: I think I feel like you can relate. Not a fan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a lot like even the slightest thing like
Speaker 1: that feeling of like somebody looked at me weird as
Speaker 1: I went up to my room after the kitchen, like,
Speaker 1: I bet they hate me. I bet they're thinking about
Speaker 1: me and how much they wish I would move out
Speaker 1: in their gospel. I was watching Interview with the Vampire
Speaker 1: the other day and I was like, this movie is
Speaker 1: about cohabitating for like hundreds of years, and how that's
Speaker 1: what it's like to live with people. It's just like weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I do think it's like in real roommate situations,
Speaker 1: the things that bother you aren't necessarily like the big
Speaker 1: crazy things. It's like some weird, little annoying things somebody
Speaker 1: does over and over again, and eventually you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to kill this person. It's when people leave glasses
Speaker 1: of water all over the house and then deny that.
Speaker 1: It's Oh, I'm a person in my relationship who does
Speaker 1: that because I need new Water's so weird because every
Speaker 1: room in these in the corner of every room is
Speaker 1: like this glass of water. You have no idea when
Speaker 1: it's from right, Like that seems like a real terrorist
Speaker 1: housey conflict, Like while they're cleaning up after themselves, like
Speaker 1: the water thing, I feel like it's very sure. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm so the current season takes place in
Speaker 1: this like semi rural like kind of ski resort type town.
Speaker 1: But then I went back and I'm watching Boys and
Speaker 1: Girls in the City, which is two seasons earlier and
Speaker 1: just takes place in Tokyo, and those kids are like
Speaker 1: they've been the waves of it, but like they tend
Speaker 1: to trend very sloppy MESSI millennials. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: there was a shift after maybe Jersey Shore. No shade
Speaker 1: to our friend Nicole, who I love, but of the
Speaker 1: like the grossness of the living spaces in Jersey Shore
Speaker 1: eventually just started stressing me out so badly. And then
Speaker 1: I felt like I noticed a shift of maybe other
Speaker 1: reality stars being like, oh, I can't be that gross,
Speaker 1: Like things got cleaned up. If you think of early
Speaker 1: Real World too, it was like, really is what happens
Speaker 1: when six people are picked to live in a house.
Speaker 1: It's like it's the tragedy of the comments. Everybody's like
Speaker 1: somebody else was supposed to clean the living room. Whatever
Speaker 1: does discussion of like house cleanliness makes me want to
Speaker 1: talk about since we don't have a lot of time,
Speaker 1: but I just want to highlight this character that has
Speaker 1: been really on my mind lately, and she left the
Speaker 1: show recently and where I am in Boys and Girls
Speaker 1: in the City, I mean, it's not summing. She's an
Speaker 1: aspiring actress from Osaka, shout out to Osaka and uh.
Speaker 1: She she brings the drama she does. And I was
Speaker 1: so refreshed by her because everybody on this season had
Speaker 1: been kind of boring up until when she showed up,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, she's fun. She's like a
Speaker 1: little more like direct with people and tells them that
Speaker 1: they need to clean up like on her first day,
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. And I've been reading the
Speaker 1: reddit for terrorist how as I go through this and
Speaker 1: trying to protect myself from spoilers and realize that like
Speaker 1: almost everybody thinks that she's just a complete sociopath and
Speaker 1: her last her last uh kind of blowout before she
Speaker 1: leaves is genuinely scary. She has this thing where she
Speaker 1: gets drunk and you can see like this raged thing
Speaker 1: turn on in her where it's like it's like her
Speaker 1: personality leaves her body. And the commentators that like comment
Speaker 1: throughout the episode, which is the other reason why the
Speaker 1: shows so weird. There's comment. You know, it's incredible. It
Speaker 1: is the smartest thing. It makes it so that you
Speaker 1: really feel like you could binge five episodes because you
Speaker 1: have a break because you're like talking to your friends
Speaker 1: about the show. Are they going to wash that dish
Speaker 1: or what we'll find out? It's it's really yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so addictive. But anyway, I actually like talk to my
Speaker 1: therapist about Natchan not to me because I was like
Speaker 1: I had this like experience where I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: finally somebody who feels like I feel like I can
Speaker 1: like get with her, like I understand her thought process,
Speaker 1: Like everything she did, even if it was bad, made
Speaker 1: total sense to me. And then everybody was like, she's
Speaker 1: a ceopath, she's a psycho. You know, some people just
Speaker 1: don't like a bossy lady, and it sounds like she
Speaker 1: came in with a strong personality and tell people just
Speaker 1: didn't like that. There's a type a type a lady.
Speaker 1: But It is interesting because in reality shows it's not
Speaker 1: always the leader types who succeed. Test says the world's
Speaker 1: foremost scholar on Survivor, It's well, if you bring too
Speaker 1: much attention to yourself competitive situation and you're putting a
Speaker 1: target on your back, right, it's often like the people
Speaker 1: that you think are gonna win or like be the
Speaker 1: best at it, like they are perceived as threatening by
Speaker 1: other people and taking down and the person who like
Speaker 1: is behind the scenes stirring the pot and being like,
Speaker 1: you go, you should be mad at them for this.
Speaker 1: That generally ends up success. That's on a on a
Speaker 1: like vote amount kind OF's there, yeah, but people will
Speaker 1: kind of decide it's their time to go, usually when
Speaker 1: they don't have to boyfriend or girlfriend and they are
Speaker 1: not interested in anybody else in the house or like
Speaker 1: their romantic prospects are over. It sounds kind of like
Speaker 1: the Japanese version of the long forgotten favorite starting over
Speaker 1: house that I feel like I've talked about on podcast,
Speaker 1: Just when people wanted to start over and they'd all
Speaker 1: moved together into this house, and then when they felt
Speaker 1: like they had like their ship together and they figured
Speaker 1: out like a halfway House. No, it was starting almost
Speaker 1: like people at all moments in their lives. I mean
Speaker 1: that is kind of what Terrace House is accept it's
Speaker 1: mostly twentysomethings. Um. Yeah, wow, I've heard we should all
Speaker 1: watch Love Island. Oh yeah, I'll watch. Love has been
Speaker 1: saying Love Island. He just has been doing tweets that
Speaker 1: are like straight people are insane. Yeah, that's agree. Do
Speaker 1: you guys remember a show, another like mostly forgotten reality
Speaker 1: show called Forever Eden. Yes, I didn't. I didn't watch
Speaker 1: much of it, but there's still a seed of whatever
Speaker 1: it was that was like in the it like kind
Speaker 1: of theoretically never ends, like it just keeps. I mean
Speaker 1: it did end because it wasn't very popular, I know
Speaker 1: what you want. The premise was that that it would
Speaker 1: just keep going until everybody found you know, I was
Speaker 1: a big fan of Utopia Utopia Do And when they
Speaker 1: canceled Utopia, I was like, I hope they just keep
Speaker 1: living on this commune and then we find them like
Speaker 1: twenty years later and they've just made a society outside society.
Speaker 1: You guys, we have to wrap it up. But I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that because we're talking about this, that we should
Speaker 1: ask our call our our listeners to be our callers
Speaker 1: and call to four oh four six Night with your
Speaker 1: favorite reality shows, whether or not there could be a
Speaker 1: reality show that goes on forever. And and yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say if you if you've watched terrace House,
Speaker 1: is not Sumi a sociopath? And what you would like
Speaker 1: to see us eat? And for how much? Yeah, mook,
Speaker 1: bang we're taking bits. We're taking bits on the book. Bang.
Speaker 1: I don't like blue cheese or olives, so those are
Speaker 1: off the table. Molly doesn't eat meat, but she will
Speaker 1: eat fish. I don't know what Emily dietary restrict You
Speaker 1: don't like cheese either, Emily, I can't have cheese. But
Speaker 1: everything else all right? Any much? What anything else is okay?
Speaker 1: All these rules are off the table. If the prices,
Speaker 1: the prices, throw it all that. Thank you so much
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