WEBVTT - The Loneliest and the Most Abstract Sense 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.840 It's eleven fifty p m. In the snowy autumnal forest 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:26.319 of Cruise, AWA, and you're listening Tonight Call. Welcome to 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.840 Night Call, a podcast for your strange days and lonely nights. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.360 My name is Emily Rashida. I'm in New York and 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.839 with me on the other end of the line on 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:43.560 the other coast are Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch. Hey, Hey, gang, guys, 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.920 getting back in the groove. Still yeah, welcome, welcome back again. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:56.880 Still always be celebrating every week. It's the eternal return. 0:00:57.560 --> 0:00:59.800 Give us a call, guys at to four oh for six. 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.080 You can also text us at the same number or 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.520 email us at night Call podcast at Gmail. No topic 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.800 is too weird, well summer and that's okay. We screen 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.000 those out, so go nuts. Well, we'll just group chat 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:18.120 about them the necessarily, but yeah, but some of them will. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:19.840 But we will never make fun of you for asking 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.680 like a question. Now, and you can be anonymous, Yeah, 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.679 you can always be anonymous. Ask us stuff or tell 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.240 us things that you think will be interested in. So 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.880 we all were very very sad, as was pretty much 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.679 all of l A and many people who enjoyed the 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.920 writing of Jonathan Gold to find that he had passed away. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.440 Um this past weekend. By the time you listen to this, 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.200 that the news will be a week old. But um, 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.760 Jonathan Gold meant a lot to each of us. I 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.080 think we all had kind of different personal connections to 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.720 him and his writing, and he was one of the most, 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.480 if not the most talented food writer. He was. He 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.000 had his beginnings as a music writer at l a weekly, 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.200 and he was also just a very generous person when 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.720 it came to encouraging younger writers. Um. I was looking 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.600 through my old g chats and I found one with 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.359 Molly from ten years ago when she was telling me 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.680 that Jonathan Gold had gotten in touch with her and uh, 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.040 we were all kind of like scrambling for jobs and 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.240 it meant so much, and I was like, who's Jonathan Gold. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.200 It was so weird reading a g chat from ten 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.720 years ago because I didn't know. I mean, I was like, 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:25.680 on some level aware we could do that, but you 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.000 were like, hey, here's the g chat from when you 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.160 were going to meet Jonathan at a restaurant top lunch, 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:33.720 and you were so nervous that I was reading it. 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.000 I was like, this is very weird. Also weird that 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:40.480 the chat mentioned Mama Mia and turtles, and Molly saved 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.840 a turtle from crossing the road that same day. But 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.560 that's beside the point. I want to know how how 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.239 you first got in touch with Jonathan and how you 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.280 got that connection. He's a family friend and my friend 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.000 Vanessas and she told me that she had been at 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.160 a dinner with him, her family and his family had 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.480 dinner together a lot, and that she had mentioned me 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.519 and he had been like, oh, you know, Molly Lambert. 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:06.760 I was like, why how does he know who I am? Um? 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:11.280 But he read my old blog, this recording um, which 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.360 was really cool, and you know, I was doing it 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:18.520 for free, so it was obviously like very gratifying to 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.480 hear that somebody who was a huge hero of mine 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.720 like liked what I was doing at all, and it 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.640 really like gave me a lot of it get pushed 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.480 me through just like several more years of like not 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.679 getting paid to write because I was like, hopefully I'm 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:36.000 doing something that like somebody will want someday professional acceptance 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.920 from the people work up to. Yeah. I mean he's 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.640 such like a sweet person and so generous and like 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.720 a lot of people have said this, but like he 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.040 and Lorio Chowa, who was the editor of The l 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:48.960 A Weekly for a really long time, we're just like 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:53.280 so welcoming to young writers, which is like not how 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.120 most people are at all, you know. And they were 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:00.080 so like genuinely interested in like nurturing people's talent and 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.520 like encouraging people to write about things they were actually 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.360 interested in. Um. And one of the things that sucks 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.960 so bad about The l A Weekly getting bought by 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.680 this right wing company and firing everybody and becoming sort 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.200 of a zombie version of itself is like there are 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.400 really just no local publications left in l A that 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.159 cover the kinds of things that like Jonathan Gold covered, 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.440 you know, and there are lots of great writers in 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.400 l A that, you know, want to write about l 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.279 A and have things to say and maybe don't have 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.760 a place to do that because there's so much national news. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.560 It's like, you know, very difficult to get people to 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.960 care about local stories. But local news is so important, 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.640 and I feel like what made him such a great 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.680 voice is that it was so local and so specific. Yeah, 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.120 I mean, between him and Laurie, I feel like if 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.440 there was enough of a nurturing If there wasn't enough 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.360 funding and just like enough space, you could even easily 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:58.880 imagine many more kind of mentors and editors and just 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:03.760 just like I don't know, uh, intellectual, I don't even 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.000 know what you would call what they do. They're just 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.520 like the people who care about writers in Los Angeles 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:13.160 and want there to be a really strong community and 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.520 tradition of writing about Los Angeles, whether they're actually doing 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.800 reporting or if you're writing about culture or food or 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.320 And there's something about that where maybe it's because there's 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.600 less of us, are the people that are really competitive 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.880 and petty or you're all like only trying to make 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.440 TV and film, you know, but like there's something about 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.920 just journalism in Los Angeles where it's like everybody, because 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.320 we're so spread out, everyone just like bands together and 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:39.000 encourages each other, uh, you know, and and it's nice. 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.120 And I have met a lot of people doing the 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.680 boycott l A Weekly stuff, um, a lot of great 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:48.159 writers and people like Jeff Weiss obviously we've known for 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.800 a long time who covers local rap in l A. 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:52.800 And a lot of stuff that ends up becoming a 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.560 big story later, you know, because nothing starts as like 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.799 a big story. Things start as like people start locally, 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:04.359 um and Captain Spires, Yeah, Katherine Spires, who was the 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.800 food reviewer after Jonathan Gold in the l A Weekly, 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.200 who I think is just like brilliant and a great writer. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.800 And there's all these people and there's just no publications 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.520 serving that need. And yeah, I think we all just 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.240 probably grew up thinking of like, oh, it would be 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.280 great to work at a magazine and have like a 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:24.159 magazine family, you know, like a Mary Tyler Moore thing 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.240 of just like a group of people that are all 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.560 interested in what each other are doing, and competitive, and 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.400 like a healthy way that is good for the greater, 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:37.160 good for the work everybody's doing, right, competitive and a 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.120 like you want to be better because your peers are 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.000 doing so well, not in a like you don't want 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.200 anyone to succeed because that you can't wait, which is like, 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:46.599 you know what a lot of things feel like because 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.880 everything is so bad in journalism. I was just going 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:53.680 to ask, what if you guys had any favorite Jonathan 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:59.400 Gold reviews or pieces or moments or anything like when 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:03.800 you first discovered him. Yeah, I mean, I you know, 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:07.240 I grew up reading him in the weekly, and getting 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.960 the weekly it was like a religious experience, you know, 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.560 like it would come out. It was before the Internet, 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.559 before I think there were just calendars even for things. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.080 You know. I would go look through show listings and 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.640 be like, someday I'll be old enough to get into 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:26.640 these class believably too soon, you were. Even then, I 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:28.680 was still excited about it. I was like, you know, 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:30.760 like cut out the schedules and put them on my wall. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.640 But yeah, I would just like devour the whole thing, 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.360 you know. I would read the old comics and the 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:40.640 back page classifieds and all the phone sax ads for 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.040 the whole thing. Yeah, I mean for me having moved there, 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.320 not growing up with the weekly, but it being there 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.520 when I moved at seventeen years old and being a 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.160 college student and also really not having that much money. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:56.160 There's a lot to be said for reading you can do, 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.840 and journalism you can read, and any kind of writing 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.280 that was free. But yeah, but it was I mean, 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:06.760 just the whole all weekly model has obviously kind of collapsed, 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:08.640 you know, And part of it is because you know 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.720 somebody who's saying they were, like, journalism is not dying, 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.440 like rich people are killing it. It's not passively dying. 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:18.600 People are stuff. People still want to know about shows 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.880 and places to eat. There's obviously a huge audience for that. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.120 People spend tons of money on that stuff every year. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.840 It's just that on a local level, it's not being 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.040 valued or it's not it's not going to make you 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.760 a billion dollars, so therefore it's not considered worth anything. Yeah, 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.880 I mean news newsroom resources are spread so thin and 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.960 there's so much there's such a glut of national news 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.640 that people don't want to cover local news because they 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.679 have to cover the national news. But you know, obviously, 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.760 like there is a big news story in l A 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.960 yesterday with a hostage situation at a Trader Joe's. That 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.240 was was a few days ago, but it was the 0:08:55.320 --> 0:09:01.480 same day, a really bad day, and I'll uh yeah, 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:02.960 but people are saying, like, the only place you can 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.240 find information about this right now is like on Twitter. 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.719 You know. Well, I mean, I think that's the one 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.880 thing about l A coverage is that you can find 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.440 a lot of good stuff in a hyper hyperlocal sense, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.600 you know. I mean the East Sider was covering it. 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.199 The east Sider covers just a small group of neighborhoods 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.680 and the Sider. I know, you've got to they're friendly 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.320 East Sider. But I think one of the great things 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.880 just going back to Jonathan Gold, Um, I didn't start 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.120 like I I was looking at the l a weekly 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.559 for like just mostly the like creepy porn and the 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:37.080 like terrifying news stories. I was like death Murder, like 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:41.400 it's free paperback. Thank used to write on Attack. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.959 those are my stops. But I after Molly was like, oh, 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.160 you know, Jonathan Gold emailed me. I looked him up 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.240 and I was like this is this is amazing. So 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.200 I came to him kind of late. It was only 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.719 ten years ago, but um, I mean, I think one 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.320 of the best things that he did was to push 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.480 you out of your neighborhood and out of you know, 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.480 your regular haunts and and to you know, I probably 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.200 wouldn't have gone to the San Gabriel Valley ten years 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.000 ago to just be like, oh, I just want to 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.719 try like this little restaurant. It's like forty minute drive. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.000 I'm just gonna go and try it, or like going, 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.560 you know, driving to Encino and like you know, taking 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.320 the time to kind of like find these places that 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.520 he would recommend oftentimes I thought he was wrong. I'm 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.920 just gonna say it. I was like, I'm not I'm 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.920 not feeling that you're not going to have the like 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.760 blood cubes or whatever, not gonna have the blood cubes. 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:30.600 I think it was I think I even can blame 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.680 him for pie and burger, which I still everyone does 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.599 but me. But look, I'm gonna it's my hill to 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.040 die and burgers only know because of Jonathan Golden. I've 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.120 never eaten there, but I'm just like, like, I know 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.520 that name because of like, well, you would like the 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.680 vibe anyway, because it's really great. But I don't think 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.640 I mean I So I was saying like coming there 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.000 as a newcomer to the city but not having a 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.280 lot of money, and and just like also not being 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.160 honestly that psyched about Los Angeles when I moved there, 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:03.120 I the tables have turned. I told you, I've told 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.440 you guys. You know, like I I thought that I 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:06.920 was going to move to New York and I was 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.200 going to go to film school in New York, and 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.000 that did not end up happening. I ended up coming 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:12.840 to l A instead, and so I definitely had a 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:16.320 period of like it's so spread out, like every single 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.680 complaint that everybody's ever had about l A. And I 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.560 think that Jonathan Gult writing which I immediately just like 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.160 I can't remember not reading it as soon as I 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.280 got there. I think there was something where when it's 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:34.880 something as kind of um uh, deceiving the deceivingly minute 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.080 as food or or contained as food, you can find it. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.520 It's it's more approachable. So it's like I can't learn 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.760 everything about everything in Los Angeles and the entire history 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:45.760 of it, but I can start by learning about the 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.439 food and what food you can get in each neighborhood, 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.080 and and what these different cultures are that like have 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.160 formed this history, this like food history in these different 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.640 areas of Los Angeles. And that kind of became a 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.680 way for me to make sense of what arriving there 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:03.440 was just like this Hodgepodge and I posted h I 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.640 posted his review of Oky Dog, which I've always loved. 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.360 I always remember the line about like not being able 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:10.960 to eat it unless you have the time of a 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:15.120 sixteen year old. But that's how I felt about Los Angeles. 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.560 Moving there, is like it was so overwhelming. I ate 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.360 so much junk food, and horrible stuff like okay dog 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.839 and every single hot dog in Los Angeles, I think 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.760 at some point and uh, and kind of found a 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.600 way to find the joy and being like overwhelmed by 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.360 the unfamiliar. Yeah, I mean again, it's like he and 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.880 I talked about it because we're both locals, and it's 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:37.600 like one of the things I loved about the way 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.960 he wrote was that he didn't write about Los Angeles 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.960 to address like an He didn't write about it in 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.120 a way that's like for people who don't know, or 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.080 he wasn't like trying to convince you that it's good. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.520 He's like everybody who lives here who's like a regular 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.720 person knows it's good. It's only people who come from 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.800 other places and tell us what they think it's like 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.760 in an annoying way. It's like, yeah, yeah, we know 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.800 there's a lot of like people who want to be actors, 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:02.480 but there's also a lot of people who are just 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:07.280 like regular working class people who live all over Los Angeles. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.320 And food is like a way that people, you know, 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.640 bond and socialized. Well, speaking of that, speaking of how 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.440 and I just say something really hatery really quickly, and 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.840 I'll keep this. I'll I'll tell you guys who I'm 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:21.800 talking about when I when we go up the air. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.720 I was talking to somebody who lives partially in Los 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:30.959 Angeles and um, we're talking about Jonathan Gold. And she 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.480 has a job in the entertainment business and said that 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.200 nobody that she worked with, who are all people who 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.720 came out there to work in the entertainment business somewhat 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.360 recently in the last few years, Uh, none of them 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.600 knew who Jonathan Gold was, uh and didn't understand why 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.400 he was important. And this is just like again, like 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:53.240 he contains this microcosm of every single problem or thing 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.600 that that is in Los Angeles. Because that just made 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:57.800 me feel like, you don't know who Jonathan Gold is, 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.560 Like you're not You're you don't care about living in 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:04.520 Los Angeles. I feel like like, especially being a privileged 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:09.400 person with a in entertainment industry income, you're not going 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.080 to find out about let You're not going to go 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:12.960 and read some of his old columns or something like. 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:14.840 I feel a lot of rich people who moved to 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.720 l A aren't interested in like in particiscattering l A 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.480 anticipating they just want to turn it into like what 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.000 they wanted to do, which is why then when like 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.120 the hills are on fire and they're like, we didn't 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.680 move to New York for this, I'm always like, go home, 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:32.280 go back home, don't come here, but also don't come here. 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.720 We're full exactly. Okay, Emily, you can take a night 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:43.360 call about food. Hey, night call, ladies. It's PM in 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.320 Hot Austin, Texas, and I've got a question for you. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.440 My name is Maggie, and I just found out what 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.960 muck bang is in the U K B A n G. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.720 It might be nuke thing, and I want to know 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.200 what you girls think of it it because I think 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:08.240 it's horrifying and I also feel that it's a tool 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.600 that anorexics could use to, you know, essentially get their 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.320 fixed without eating food. Um. Yeah, So if you guys 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.480 can weigh in on muk bang or muke than, I 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:25.440 appreciate that. Thanks. Bye. Had you guys heard about muck 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:31.080 bang or muck bang before, but I've heard of like 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:36.760 I feel like eating interviews or feeder porn. Yes, I 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.600 would say, first, I don't think that it would be 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.960 something that you would use for eating disorders, because like, 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.320 doesn't seeing someone eat just make you want to eat. 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.720 Like when people see someone smoke on screen, it makes 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.280 them want to smoke. It doesn't make them go like, 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:54.160 oh god, you're saying, it's not it's like the opposite. Yeah, 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.400 I think. I think when I when I saw that 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.600 she before I looked it up, I thought that she 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.200 was talking about one of these like kinds of calorie 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:07.960 free noodles that you can get. Yeah, yeah, me too, zoodles. Yeah, 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:09.840 And I was thinking, it's like that kind of thing 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.800 that just fills up your stomach. But no, it's it's 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.720 so so can some of these people eating like a 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:18.760 grip of spaghetti on camera and camera with its streamed 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.400 live to write and people it's not it's not competitive eating. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.480 It's like just people doing like a live stream like 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:30.400 a twitch of them eating. Well this on on the Wikipedia, 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:35.320 it says that the hosts call themselves b j's Broadcast Jockeys, 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.760 and they interact with people who are watching the broadcast 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.560 through chatting. Bj bj is sometimes claim to be the 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.240 audiences avatar and will exactly follow what people ask them 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.400 to do. So in that sense, I kind of could 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:50.320 see someone with an eating disorder be like stuff yourself 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.800 like eat pizza like I could see that. Well, that's 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.800 feeder porn, right, it is feeder porn. I mean, is 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.920 everything that involves live streaming yourself like a form of 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:03.560 cam girling? I am? I mean, how far do you 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:06.840 want to stretch the definition? I mean I guess not, Like, 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.159 how is it different from like somebody being like, here's 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.240 me playing video games, like watch me play video games, 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.119 which like tons of people watch. I mean, I remember 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.400 where I was when I worked at a camera store 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.280 and one of my one of my coworkers, would like 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:22.879 you borrow the cameras on the weekend to help his 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.679 friends shoot these videos. I think he did some for 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:29.639 suicide girls, which dates this, but um where it was 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.440 just like videos of girls smoking, like that was it? Okay, 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.280 Well that's a fetish. So I'm sure there's people who 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.240 have a fetish for like girls eating, but this doesn't 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.399 even sound like it's just hot girls. It's just like 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:42.760 they thought it was like for people who live alone 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.600 and are lonely and want to like feel like they're 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.040 sharing meals with somebody. I mean, to be fair, When 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.160 I was in college and I was living by myself, 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:55.000 which was great, but I would cook and then I 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.520 would eat and I was like, it felt like I 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.040 had to either be like watching TV on the internet 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.600 because you're like it's kind of weird, just like and focus. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.680 It's like too much focused. So I could see how like, 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.199 you know, if you just set it up like a 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.639 bunch of people eating with all their webcams, just like 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.919 we're sitting down eating having a virtual potluck. Like a 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.160 lot of people also just like to have that sort 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.399 of para social company if you are alone, which is 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.320 why people like leave the TV on. That's why people 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:28.919 like twitch is so popular. It's also like people like podcasts. Hey, 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.400 it's that thing too of being like they are speaking 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:35.360 just to me and then we are also come up 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:39.000 again in our final topic for today, I was gonna say, yeah, 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:43.160 but but we when we were doing girls and Hoodies, 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.280 we would get some super creeps who would just be like, 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.959 I like your cough, remember that, People who were like 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:51.840 I like it when you clear your throat, And I 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:56.000 was like, don't work that. Those were all the YouTube comments. Yeah, 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.840 that's the things I didn't even know you could sexualize, 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.480 like somebody like sneezing, but like, of course you can, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.280 so like I wouldn't be surprised if people like were 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.399 into eating videos for reasons other than just wanting to 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.600 have a friend to eat with. Biological functions can be 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.920 really big triggers for people who don't have a lot 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.679 of like really intimate time with other people, Like if 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:20.960 you're not in a close relationship with somebody or living 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:25.320 with your family. I think that sometimes hearing, like if 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.280 you happen to be standing in a train or something 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.680 and you hear somebody cough, Are you still hear somebody 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.400 sniffle or something? Sometimes it can be alarming because you're 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:34.960 just like, oh my god, I haven't heard another human 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.560 sound in a second. I think especially in like bigger 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.760 cities too. In um in college, there was this girl 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:43.800 who wrote an op ed for the paper that was 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:48.879 called touch the Loneliest and most abstract sense. What we'll 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.600 talk about that after the podcast. I just I always 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:53.960 think about it. It was like, you know, a girl's 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.879 like freshman year like essay about like sometimes you just 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.760 touch someone's hand, and like, isn't it weird to touch 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:05.720 some I totally agree. I'm not a fan. You crave 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:07.960 it so badly, but then when you get it, you're 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.639 like why can't I have this? 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