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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolli. He is the Matt

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Speaker 1: and Williams and we were chatting there off the air.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it happens quite a bit. Yeah, you forget what we're.

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Speaker 1: Doing up here. But Matt, I'm looking here at the

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Speaker 1: draft scout dot com pre indie rankings of these guys,

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Speaker 1: and this is interesting because they have projective rounds. Okay

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Speaker 1: next to there's.

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Speaker 2: Not thirty two of there's not thirty two first round

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Speaker 2: or thirty two second round or I'm.

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Speaker 1: Just looking here to figure out where the depth, where

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Speaker 1: the clusters are, where the clusters are. Yeah, so looking

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Speaker 1: here is where you want to go fishing. Yeah, one, two, three, four, five,

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Speaker 1: potentially six quarterbacks with A or five of them have

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Speaker 1: a first round projective round rating on them, and then

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Speaker 1: Michael Pennings does a one to two, which means you're

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Speaker 1: looking at a guy who could go at the end

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Speaker 1: of the first round, early second round at some point.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Nick gets in? I'm I mean he

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Speaker 1: has decent size, you know, the number athlete, Yeah, pretty

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Speaker 1: good athlete. You know, potentially it's a quarter it's quarter

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Speaker 1: yeah back, you know, you just I don't know that

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Speaker 1: a playoff team would take him. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: the Vikings or a Broncos would take him in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the first I mean if somehow they traded

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Speaker 1: down or traded back in. I mean I could see

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Speaker 1: a Patriots don't take one at three, but they moved

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Speaker 1: to twenty nine to get one, or that type of deal.

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Speaker 1: Or you know, the Titans were calling the Steelers left

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Speaker 1: and right to get to thirty two last year, which

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Speaker 1: was a second rounder to get Levis. Well, the Steelers

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Speaker 1: in Budge and then they got Levis at thirty three.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe that's where he lands. No fullback's not surprisingly, sure,

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Speaker 1: a couple.

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Speaker 2: There there are draft worthy, but yeah, they'll get a

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Speaker 2: couple of pick maybe the Steeers even grab one and

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Speaker 2: undrafted free agents.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna have to add some kind of full back.

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Speaker 1: Running back not in the first round. But there's four

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Speaker 1: guys who have right round two type grades on them

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Speaker 1: or two to three. It's Trey Benson, Blake Corham, Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm hearing more and more that Day two, which

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Speaker 2: is great for the Steelers, could get flooded with running

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Speaker 2: backs pretty heavy, and they're not gonna be any in

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Speaker 2: the first round, but there's there was content kids supposed

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Speaker 2: to run like crazy at a heavyweight too, so and

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Speaker 2: we even talked about running back. I don't think the

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Speaker 2: Steelers will take one maybe until listed here at six

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Speaker 2: and they think he's gonna run under.

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Speaker 1: Four five monsters, right right, he's a freight track yeah

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Speaker 1: at tight end. Just one in the first round. That

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Speaker 1: has brought Bowers and he gets the TV and Sanders

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Speaker 1: as a second round guy, and then some more Day

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Speaker 2: The only take I have on that is you want

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Speaker 2: Bowers to go in the top nineteen, which you will,

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Speaker 2: and you want Sanders Sanders to go before the Steelers

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Speaker 2: picking the second round, which I think is a good chance.

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Speaker 1: And this is this group not nearly as deep as

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Speaker 1: as we've seen the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: I mean, again, it's not a position I've dugg heavy into.

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Speaker 2: But there's not a lot of round.

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Speaker 1: Three four sleeper project types, you know, wide receiver. This

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Speaker 1: is where it gets. So ye one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

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Speaker 1: eight guys who either have a first round projection where

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Speaker 1: he won two on their on their names, Jared that,

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Speaker 1: Martin Harrison, Malik Neighbors Romadounzier, Brian Thomas, Keon Coleman, Troy Franklin,

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Speaker 2: Okay, that all adds up. I mean there could even

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Speaker 2: be more. Who's right behind them.

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Speaker 1: Behind them, Xavier Worthy, Kai Corley Leguet, Ricky Pierre, Saw,

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Speaker 1: Jaylen Paul. I mean these are good players. Those are

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Speaker 1: good players.

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Speaker 2: So the Steelers are gonna take one in the second round.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think you'll get any of those

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Speaker 1: Pretty safe to say, Roman Wilson, devontees Walker, Johnny Wilson,

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Speaker 1: Brendan Rice, Jaylen, McMillan's remain Burton. I mean, there's there's

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Speaker 2: I like Wilson a time, And I was listening to

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Speaker 2: something this morning that they have video of him at Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's Michigan testers are bunkers. By the way, that he

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Speaker 2: could have the best short shuttle in Combine history.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's not just a possession guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh. And there's a deep that that position

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Speaker 1: goes deep into the draft center. Right now, they only

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Speaker 2: So they don't call Barton a center. They call Barton.

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Speaker 2: Barton is listed with the tackles, Okay, so they I'm

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Speaker 2: just curious that they have a first round on him.

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Speaker 2: Uh he is a one two that that thing that's

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Speaker 2: about right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh? At guard just one, that's Troy Fatanhu out

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Speaker 2: It's funny to me they Barton a tackle and Fatanu

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Speaker 2: other guys. I mean, Barton could play right tackle. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure he could. I'm sure he could.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at that tackle position one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

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Speaker 2: Round Wow, Like that's rare. Yeah, I mean that's rare,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think i'd have yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And there'll be some of these guys with the with

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Speaker 1: up going sliding into the end of the first round.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you got Alt Joe Alt for shawnu Vuaga,

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Speaker 1: Jaycee Latham, Amarus Mans, Tyler Geyton, and then Graham Barton.

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Speaker 1: Are they are the guys who he has a one

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Speaker 1: two on him, and then right after that Jordan Morgan

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Speaker 2: And see Matthiah. I mean we might say in a

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Speaker 2: couple of days, oh he's got in the first round.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he might. He might test ridiculously. I think he will. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that's rare. Yeah, No, I'm really rare. You know.

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Speaker 1: There's a few guys in that round three four range,

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Speaker 1: but not not many.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you better act quick. I mean they're still

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Speaker 2: gonna go quick. I mean a lot of tackle needs

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Speaker 2: around the league. Yeah, so I mean I should take

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Speaker 2: advantage of that deep pool of one guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, defensive tackle, three guys with round one grades on it.

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Speaker 1: Because they're saying that Darius Robinson, oh okay is a DT.

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Speaker 1: talking about this. Jers On Newton six. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: the round two guys on that crowd? Then you're looking

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Speaker 1: at Chris Jenkins, tov Andre Sweat, Rue Corrojo, and Brandon Dorius.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and those first three would all be of interest

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you also have Braden Fist there as

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Speaker 2: You consider him the third round? I kind of want

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Speaker 2: to like go big or go home on that position.

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Speaker 2: But he would jumpstart a lot of aggression and he

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know some other guys in that one. Mason

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Speaker 1: Smith we talked about six five three fifteen, that's the

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Speaker 1: one that intrigues me. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean he was a dude. He was a to

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Speaker 2: had some bumps in the road.

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Speaker 1: When you when you look at this group, there just

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Speaker 1: aren't a bun. A lot of those guys gets a

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Speaker 1: you start a lot of them. I didn't realize Gabe

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Speaker 1: Haul six six two ninety, I didn't realize he was.

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Speaker 2: At it's the Baylor dude, Yeah, the bailer. Yeah, he

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Speaker 2: would fit the bill too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Pretty impressive to Senior Bowl. Yeah, he had a

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Speaker 1: good Senior Bowl defensive ends. You're looking at just four

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Speaker 1: lay two versus Trump, Robinson, Braylan Trice. I don't know

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Speaker 1: Trice gets Hi. Yeah, he's got a one two grade

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Speaker 2: So okay, and three of those there are two of

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Speaker 2: them lay two and Trice won't test great, Robinson will.

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Speaker 1: But this kind of shows you that's not the strength

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Speaker 1: of this No, it's not. It's draft. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: whole D line across the board is not throng. Inside

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Speaker 1: linebacker nobody was the first round. Yeah, Cooper's the only

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Speaker 1: one I think has a chance. Yeah, where did they

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Speaker 1: list I don't you see him listed on here?

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Speaker 2: They'd be like outside linebacker, inside line baker, outside outside backer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they still like them. They listen as an outside Okay,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, but you got Junior Colson. Jeremiah Trotter is

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Speaker 2: Those are names people should be paying attention to.

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Speaker 1: J Ford in the fourth round.

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Speaker 2: Ford seems to be maybe a good value for the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: One of those fourth.

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Speaker 1: Round packs, Jad bertrand out of Notre Dame. Another one

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Speaker 1: of those guys in that four type area. So there's

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Speaker 1: outside linebacker Dallas Turner Chris braswell out of both those

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Speaker 1: and you got Eddrian Cooper and Peyton Wilson as the second.

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Speaker 2: They're more like the last group we talked about.

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Speaker 1: Cornerback one, two, three, four, five six guys in the

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Speaker 1: first round. In the first round type guys, that's Terry

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Speaker 1: and Arnold Wiggins, Quinnya, Mitchell, Cooper, Dejen kool Aid McKinstry,

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Speaker 1: and Kamari Lassiter. They Race Straw is a second.

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Speaker 2: Round I say Racerow could be in that mix. He

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Speaker 2: they're always coveted. Then you're looking at guys like TJ.

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Speaker 1: Tampa. This is a guy that I haven't done a

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Speaker 1: lot of homework on yet that I need to is

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Speaker 1: the Cameron Richardson aut of Mississippi State six. That's about

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Speaker 1: all I know about him too. Yeah, this is kind

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Speaker 1: of a second round type guy like Santa stro We've

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Speaker 1: talked about him a lot. Might be the best nickel

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Speaker 1: in this draft. They call him a two or three,

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Speaker 1: or say he's a two to three Kaylin Carson at

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Speaker 1: Alwike Forest h DJ James. We'll see what he weighs

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Speaker 2: Those day two corners as a whole, I need do

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Speaker 2: more work on, But that might be a better group

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Speaker 2: than originally thought.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you get the Cam Hart, you got

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Speaker 1: the Kyrie Jackson's, you get the Johnny Dixon's out of

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Speaker 1: Penn State. I mean these are you know, we're in

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Speaker 1: the round four with some of the guys. That's a

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Speaker 1: Phillips another guy that's what I like to Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So that's it that group. Then it's safety, strong safeties.

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Speaker 1: I like how they they they do. Break them down.

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Speaker 1: Break it down up here a little bit. So Jayden

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Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland, who is the analytics guru and NFL dot

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Speaker 1: Com does a great job with that stuff. And you know,

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Speaker 5: But like, no, he's super fun.

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Speaker 4: He's very he's a great teacher, like he like he

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Speaker 4: he has a strategy and he stays true to it. Okay,

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Speaker 4: And and I love the fact that, like especially with

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Speaker 4: you know, younger players or players who like you know,

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Speaker 4: they'll all get to make decisions out who they want

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Speaker 4: to be. But he makes it clear that like this

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Speaker 4: is what we're trying to do, here's the path to

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Speaker 4: do it, and we're not going to stray from that.

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Speaker 4: Like we're not gonna it's not gonna be quarter two

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Speaker 4: and it's not working, and we're gonna.

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Speaker 5: We have five plans.

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Speaker 4: We'll go to plan two, but we're not going to

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Speaker 4: go to plan sixty four in.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, like a very he stays on schedule.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he stays, but he's and very even keeled and

449
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Speaker 4: like super dry sense of humor. So it all goes together.

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Speaker 4: When you have your Shirley Temple with him, you'll notice.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's just got this great sense of very

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Speaker 4: smart and him and Tomlin together that's gonna be like

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you like know this. I like

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Speaker 4: love my Tomlin. I went up to him at Honors

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Speaker 4: and I was like, you know, you're like my favorite coach.

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Speaker 4: He's like, he's like what, nos, Like, I just feel

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Speaker 4: like you're so underrated in terms of like the amount

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Speaker 4: of BS that you've seen this And he's like, ah,

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Speaker 4: is this And he's like shrugs it off and like, no,

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Speaker 4: you're incredible, Like how you make you spin gold out

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Speaker 4: of everything, Like it's it's incredible.

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Speaker 1: So you're in analytics driven, that's what you do. You're analytics.

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Speaker 5: That's what I do.

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Speaker 1: In some ways. Mike defies the analytics in many cases.

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Speaker 5: I guess.

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Speaker 4: So here's what it is that this presupposed is that

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Speaker 4: I'm going to tell someone what to do, Like you

468
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Speaker 4: can make a higher or lower probability decision, whether like

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Speaker 4: I just give you lay out the framework.

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Speaker 5: You got to make the decision, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean though in terms of like if you look

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Speaker 1: to how the Steelers started last year, Oh yeah, when

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Speaker 1: people were all they were out gained it every game,

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Speaker 1: and you know, if you look at the analytics, the

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Speaker 1: analytics said, well they should be like three and seven

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Speaker 1: one score games.

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Speaker 4: You know, yeah, yeah, well once more games are a

478
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Speaker 4: tough one because that can go the other way. But like, no,

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Speaker 4: they definitely defied the odds in any ways about any

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Speaker 4: things last season. But on some level, I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: not that I know anything about what happens in Vegas,

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Speaker 4: but you know, we do some TV shows about it,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, ain't no way that it's going to

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Speaker 4: be under eight and.

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Speaker 5: A half wins, just so we're clear.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like I don't I don't exactly know how we're

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Speaker 4: gonna get there, but it might be on like the

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Speaker 4: defensive front.

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Speaker 5: It's just like it's not gonna.

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Speaker 1: Write it in now. It's gonna I don't care how.

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Speaker 4: But it's gonna happen because there's like a don't quit factor.

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Speaker 4: Like some teams, like you see people lose interest in

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Speaker 4: the four people do not quit for that coach, and

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Speaker 4: it's a it's a big it's a big difference maker.

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it. And then and you know, the

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Speaker 1: one score game stuff. It should be returned to the

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Speaker 1: mean at some point, but every year it seems like

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Speaker 1: it's he's got a better record doing that than everybody else,

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Speaker 1: or most everybody else.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think a lot of it is again

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Speaker 4: I think he selects for people who he can teach well,

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Speaker 4: you know, and I think that they get in those

503
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Speaker 4: nuanced situations, and by the way, they do a really

504
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Speaker 4: good job of when is there, when are they using timeout?

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Speaker 4: People don't give him enough credit for clock management, time out,

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Speaker 4: like in like the way that it's done, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: not just clock manager like run versus pass on whatever down,

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Speaker 4: but also like you know, timeouts, management of the two

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Speaker 4: minute warning and doing that also in the first half.

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Speaker 4: Like people you know, the end of games is one thing,

511
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Speaker 4: but like you don't set yourself up for a single

512
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Speaker 4: possession game in many when you're maybe sometimes under like

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Speaker 4: maybe not the best Dealers team of all time last year, right,

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Speaker 4: Like if you're not necessarily going into that game as

515
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Speaker 4: the favorite and you're really good at clock management, you

516
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Speaker 4: can see what happens here.

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Speaker 5: You get that coin flip weighted a little bit more

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Speaker 5: in your favor.

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Speaker 2: I know you need to run in your in demand,

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Speaker 2: but I also know you did a lot of work

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Speaker 2: on play action, and the Steelers have been at the

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Speaker 2: bottom of the league and Smith it at the top.

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Speaker 1: Of the league.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna be very honest with you. I was like,

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Speaker 5: please do warmly action.

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Speaker 2: It's common, it's coming, it's.

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Speaker 5: Coming to you. I love it.

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Speaker 1: And it's a.

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Speaker 2: Drastic change in terms of efficiency, don't you think.

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Speaker 5: I Oh huge.

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Speaker 4: By the way, I had my first so I did

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Speaker 4: the preseason game against the Bills this year. That was

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Speaker 4: my first time going to to your stadium. Okay, I'm obsessed.

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Speaker 4: It was so much fun. I like loved the security guards.

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Speaker 4: Like that is such a good I was. Everything was

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Speaker 4: and that was a preseason game.

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Speaker 5: Let's be clear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, stop buying the regular seasons.

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Speaker 6: Even I know.

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Speaker 5: That's the whole thing, not the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me appreciated. He is Matt Williams

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Speaker 1: and I'm Dale Lawlly. You're listening to the drive here

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get to a break. We'll be back with more here

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Speaker 1: right after this.

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Speaker 3: My from about twenty twenty four NFL combine these Steelers

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Speaker 3: Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Okay, welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is Dean

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Speaker 1: Matt Williams, and we are live at the NFL scouting

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Speaker 1: Combine and we're pleased to be joined now by Tony Pauline.

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Speaker 1: He joins us every year, and Tony is have our

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Speaker 1: longest streak going mayes so maybe so A consulting editor

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Speaker 1: and draft analyst for Sportskida dot com Sports key to.

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Speaker 1: That's a new one for you, right it is.

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Speaker 7: It's basically the parent company that bought Pro Football Network

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Speaker 7: And oh okay, he asked me to come over and

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Speaker 7: that's okay.

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Speaker 6: It's work for progress. But it's great to be back

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Speaker 6: with you guys.

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Speaker 2: And you're digging into the draft as much as ever.

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Speaker 7: Right, not enough if it gets up as far as

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Speaker 7: I'm concerned, But then not enough. We'll ever get up

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Speaker 7: as far as I'm yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Tony the we've talked a lot about this draft

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Speaker 1: and the depth of this draft. Offensive tackle, corner back,

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Speaker 1: maybe as deep as those two positions have been in

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Speaker 1: several years. Maybe not the top end talent at cornerback,

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Speaker 1: but that just the depth of players available.

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Speaker 7: You know, I like this draft in the sense that

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Speaker 7: every year I struggle to get eighteen guys with pure

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Speaker 7: first round grades on them.

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Speaker 2: We were just talking about, just curious what you think,

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Speaker 2: and I.

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Speaker 7: Think this year I've got like twenty four first round grades.

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Speaker 7: Now the flip end of that is I'm struggling to get.

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Speaker 1: Two hundred yet.

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Speaker 6: With draftable grades.

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Speaker 7: That's going to change next year because the COVID year

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Speaker 7: ends next year, and what's going to happen is there's

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Speaker 7: going to be a flood of players who have no

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Speaker 7: eligibility left.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and not many juniors declared this year either.

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Speaker 7: Because nil that is the COVID plus the NIL deals

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Speaker 7: have kind of changed the landscape. So but I like

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Speaker 7: the time hurt.

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Speaker 1: The depth is you think more than anything.

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Speaker 7: Correct, But they end next year, Okay, because that COVID

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Speaker 7: ends next year.

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Speaker 2: If you were done with six of your players, crazy

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Speaker 2: seventh year sera.

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Speaker 7: Is exactly so if you were a fresh if you

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Speaker 7: played as a freshman in twenty twenty one, you don't

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Speaker 7: get that COVID year extra year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we're out of the woods on that finally correct. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it makes sense, So go ahead. A twenty corner seems

596
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Speaker 2: very in play for the Steelers. Would you have a

597
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Speaker 2: pecking order with your corners.

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Speaker 7: Still to be determined. I still like kool aid mckisstry one.

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Speaker 7: I think the guy to watch for the Steelers and

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Speaker 7: a guy that's moving up boards is Quion Mitchell of Toledo.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he's not a flash in the pan. He's

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Speaker 7: been a good cornerback for several seasons at Toledo, had

603
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Speaker 7: a great Senior Bowl, phenomenal senior bawl phenomenal. Got me

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Speaker 7: once in one on ones at the end of practice

605
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Speaker 7: when he slipped out of his transition and Roman Wilson

606
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Speaker 7: made a catch that really wouldn't have been a catch

607
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Speaker 7: because he was out of bounds. So the only time

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Speaker 7: I saw him. And the thing about Mitchell is if

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Speaker 7: you watch him at Toledo, sometimes it's tough to scout

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Speaker 7: him because no one threw in his direction. Yeah, and

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Speaker 7: he was playing backed off the line of scrimmage. And

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Speaker 7: one of the things about the Senior Bowl is to

613
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Speaker 7: have you playing press, have you playing man play on Sunday, right,

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Speaker 7: he did a great job of it.

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Speaker 1: That was the only question coming Steenable.

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Speaker 6: Really that's it now.

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Speaker 7: The thing about it, we interviewed him, I was interviewed

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Speaker 7: him with with the New York Giants, and he said

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Speaker 7: he was he was outspoken about it. He was very

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Speaker 7: calm about So he's coming to combine to set world records.

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Speaker 7: So let's see what his forty time is. Let's see

622
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Speaker 7: his vertical jump is. Because he's got the size, you know,

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Speaker 7: he's got the ball skills and all of his testing

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Speaker 7: numbers match up. He could and I wrote about this

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Speaker 7: at the Seat Bowl, he could eventually be the number

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Speaker 7: one cornerback selecting the dress.

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Speaker 2: That's as could he pass Arnold dejene all the I

628
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Speaker 2: mean they're kind of clustered down to begin with.

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Speaker 6: Correct, Yeah, Wiggins as well from Clinton right.

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Speaker 7: His eye is on the upswing, and you know, cornerback

631
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Speaker 7: is a prior to position, as you well know. Steelers

632
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Speaker 7: just stole a corner back at the top of round

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Speaker 7: two last year. So I think it's a definite possibility.

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Speaker 1: I still like.

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Speaker 7: Kool Aid mckistory. I know people are down on him,

636
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Speaker 7: but Mitchell's have got to watch.

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Speaker 2: We've had a man crush on the gene for since

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Speaker 2: the process, since we started learning about him.

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Speaker 7: The thing about the Gene is, I mean, he didn't

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Speaker 7: get he didn't play a senior, he was injured. I

641
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Speaker 7: don't know if he's going to be a cornerback or safety.

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Speaker 7: He looks a little stiff to me.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I saw him at the podium. I don't know if

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Speaker 7: he's gonna do the position drills here. I know he's

646
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Speaker 7: not doing the testing, but you know it's you want

647
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Speaker 7: to see the hit movement, you want to see the flexibility.

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Speaker 7: Can he transition without losing any momentum. I don't know

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Speaker 7: if Degene was a great cornerback and call or an

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Speaker 7: opportunitisic quarterback in college. And I think there's a difference.

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Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, I just think that's a guy you can

652
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Speaker 1: you can add to the equation and figure it out.

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Speaker 1: He'll he'll play somewhere, sure, because of the ball skills.

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Speaker 6: As well as the return skills.

655
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

656
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 7: So, yeah, he's a great athlete who is developing as

657
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Speaker 7: a defensive back, as a cornerback, you know, maybe safety,

658
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 7: but I think right now Mitchell's got it all going on.

659
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: Okay, in terms of the offensive tackles, how do you

660
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: have those guys kind of We also think that could

661
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Speaker 1: be a play at twenty.

662
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Speaker 6: Absolutely. I mean I still like Fisciano. I know a

663
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Speaker 6: lot of people like Gold. I like Gold.

664
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Speaker 7: I just like Ficiano better because I those mobile, athletic

665
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Speaker 7: left tackles. I like Tyler Goyton, who had a good

666
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Speaker 7: Senior Bowl. Uh forega of Oregon State.

667
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: Then, I mean, you know, someone said is a guard

668
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Speaker 1: I don't see that at all.

669
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Speaker 6: Well that's only probably because he's not six six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know he's.

671
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Speaker 7: But I mean if you watch them on tape, you

672
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 7: watch them at the senior. But the only time those

673
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 7: guys got beat at the senior was by Dee Isaac

674
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Speaker 7: of Penn State. Then the question is, you know, if

675
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Speaker 7: all those guys are going to twenty and the Marius

676
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Speaker 7: Mims of Georgia.

677
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: Still to face. We've kind of gone back and forth

678
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Speaker 1: on him.

679
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Speaker 7: You know, he doesn't have a big body of work.

680
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 7: I think he only started eight games.

681
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Speaker 1: Yeah that's what that's that's what kind of scares me

682
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 1: a little bit.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but he was dominant those eight games.

684
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Speaker 1: He's got traits like and you can then.

685
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Speaker 7: May you know, move Roderick Jones back to his natural

686
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 7: position at left tackle. Keep mims it at right tackle.

687
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 7: I like his film. When there is film, there's just

688
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 7: not that much of it.

689
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Speaker 2: I mean, back to back super talented Georgia tackles could

690
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Speaker 2: go a long way.

691
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Speaker 7: And he said, you know, he's basically Rodery Jones with power.

692
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 7: He's a powerful guy. He's probably not as good on

693
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Speaker 7: the second or third level. He's not bad blocking emotion.

694
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: Okay, but the I mean Jackson powers. Johnson was. I

695
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: think he has to be in play at twenty as well.

696
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 7: If he's not playing, you know, it's or the Dolphins

697
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 7: will take him. I think where they select. I mean

698
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 7: he was and he was hurt when he played the

699
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 7: see he came to Senia bolel injured. He had the

700
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Speaker 7: dominant first day, he was good the second Day's out

701
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 7: the third day. But let's forget about the Senior Bowl

702
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 7: for a while. Twenty twenty two, he was a terrific

703
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 7: right guard at Oregon. He kicked inside to center after

704
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 7: Forsyth left. The Forsyth had a good season, was outstanding.

705
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 7: He's smart, he's me, but he's also a mobile. He's

706
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 7: not a stiff.

707
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Speaker 1: For a guy that size to be as mobile as

708
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Speaker 1: he is is rare.

709
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Speaker 2: I was shocked what he weighed in at after watching

710
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Speaker 2: just on TV casually on Saturdays.

711
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Speaker 7: I will tell you a guy that the Steelers like

712
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 7: you're looking at day two and I've heard this for

713
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 7: a couple of months now, is Isaiah Adams of Illinois

714
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 7: also had a couple of real good days of senior ballplayer.

715
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Speaker 1: Give us something now on him. I don't think we've

716
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: brought him up yet. You should.

717
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 7: He played tackle and guard at Illinois. He was out

718
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 7: of place at tackle because he's not a He's not

719
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Speaker 7: a mobile guy. But you want to talk about tough,

720
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 7: nasty Pittsburgh Steeler type of interior offensive lineman that looks

721
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 7: to bury people into the ground, that's an outstanding run

722
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 7: blocker that has enough ability to get out on a

723
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 7: second level, redirect your linebacker, take him from the action.

724
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Speaker 7: That is a guy on day two to definitely look at.

725
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 7: And I've known that they like him. I mean, he's

726
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 7: a guy that has just grown on me the more

727
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 7: film I watch him. And then I when I watch

728
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 7: him three days at the Senior Bowl destroy everybody.

729
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: It's center too much of a projection for him. I

730
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: means he probably a guard right now.

731
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Speaker 6: I don't know that he's ever taken a snap right tackle.

732
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Speaker 7: I think more you know, people may project a more tackle,

733
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 7: but he's not not even that could he's he's a

734
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Speaker 7: real good power gap guard.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that would fit. Yeah, absolutely. This wide receiver group

736
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: is pretty deep as well. I mean you mention Wilson

737
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: from Michigan. He was great at the Senior Bowl, and

738
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Speaker 1: he's looked at as a round two type guy.

739
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Speaker 7: Right round two of round three. I mean, I guess

740
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Speaker 7: the first thing is still is going to keep the

741
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 7: ante Johnson?

742
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: I think so couldn't be block you keep hearing in it.

743
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: This doesn't add up, doesn't make sense. Why create another hole?

744
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 7: True, but I think it goes deeper than that. It

745
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 7: goes deeper than what goes on the field. So we

746
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 7: we'll see about that. But yeah, Roman Wilson I think

747
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 7: is indicative of what we're seeing at the at the

748
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 7: wide receiver position these days.

749
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Speaker 6: Marvin Harrison is who he is. He's a great prospect.

750
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 7: But you know, more and more you're seeing the receivers

751
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 7: become a little bit more compact, become a little bit smaller.

752
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 7: You don't have to be two hundred and fifteen pounds anymore.

753
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 7: You don't have to run a four to three. You

754
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 7: got to run great routes, and you got to separate,

755
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 7: and you got to get free, and you gotta be

756
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 7: able to create running after the catch. And Roman Wilson

757
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 7: does all that. Plus he brings the aspect of return specialists.

758
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: You mentioned Marvin. I mean, would would Roman Neighbors be

759
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: the first receiver off the board eight out of ten years?

760
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

761
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 6: Oh, definitely.

762
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

763
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 7: I would go Neighbors then Roma Duday because Neighbors is quicker,

764
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 7: he separates easier.

765
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Speaker 6: He's also better running after the catch.

766
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Speaker 2: More explosive to me, absolutely, yeah.

767
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 7: More of a downfield threat. Doosday is a terrific player.

768
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Speaker 7: I mean, when McMillan went down at Washington, he took over.

769
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 7: The only reason that probably in that championship game or

770
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 7: in the playoffs is because that fourth and twenty three,

771
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 7: that reverse he ran for a fourth down for twenty

772
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 7: three yards. So you know, he leads by example and

773
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 7: he's a real good receiver.

774
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Speaker 2: Okay, what's your pecking order with the quarterbacks? I don't

775
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: think that applies to the Steelers, to be honest with you,

776
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: But do you have a clear favorite?

777
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 7: Clear I like Williams more than Jayden Daniels, and then

778
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 7: Drake May.

779
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 6: Jadan Daniels.

780
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 7: You know, I liked him when I watched the film,

781
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 7: I absolutely loved him. I mean, he's a guy who

782
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 7: was a better quarterback in twenty twenty three than he

783
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 7: was in twenty twenty two, and even in twenty twenty three,

784
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 7: you saw him get better and better. He's smart, he's athletic,

785
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 7: he's got a big time warm, he can make all

786
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 7: the throws. He can run with the ball, but he's

787
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 7: not reckless running the ball. The only thing is he's

788
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 7: a skinny guy. He's not a big Ben Roethlisberger statuesque

789
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 7: in the pocket type of passer, which may turn some

790
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 7: people off. He's got to going on between the ears,

791
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 7: he's got the physical skills, and he's just shown such

792
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 7: tremendous progress, especially in the past two years. And then

793
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 7: it's Drake May who I think maybe you can make

794
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 7: the argument that two or three years, Drake may may

795
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 7: be a better quarterback than Jaden Daniels, but you can

796
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 7: also have to say that he's got a bigger bus

797
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:29,959
Speaker 7: factor than.

798
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: Jade Daniels his next year four McCarthy.

799
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 7: McCarthy, Yeah, JJ McCarthy, but I don't rate I mean

800
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 7: JJ McCarthy and Bone Nicks they could go first round.

801
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 6: I have second round grades on him.

802
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: Okay, there's a lot of buds about McCarthy's definitely on

803
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: the first round, and that seems like it's a stretch

804
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: to me.

805
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 6: It does.

806
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: It's quarterback, that's it.

807
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 7: There, you go, Yeah, I mean if he was a linebacker,

808
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 7: then no, right, I mean JJ McCarthy. He's got great Max,

809
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 7: he's got great conference. He's a tremendous quarterback on the

810
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 7: calls level, but you're projected to the NFL.

811
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 6: He's not a big guy. He does have a huge arm.

812
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 7: I watch a lot of the passes and a lot

813
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 7: of those risky passes he made on Saturday are gonna

814
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 7: be interceptions on Sunday.

815
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 6: And then, of course they really didn't rely on him.

816
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: He wasn't the engine of the offense, right, I mean, it.

817
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 7: Was it was that offensive line that went seven deep,

818
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 7: you know, which helped the running game, which helped protect McCarthy.

819
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes it. It makes it definitely interesting. Tony.

820
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna let you go here, so uh we can

821
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: finish up the show here. But we appreciate your time

822
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: as always. That is Tony Pauline of the sports key

823
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: det dot com check out that he is the draft

824
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: analyst for that consulting editor. Lots of good stuff total

825
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: every year. Appreciate him. Tony's been covering the draft well

826
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: since led Zeppelin was in their primell.

827
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: I get started, we can do a show on that.

828
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: You're good, there you go.

829
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: Uh, but we always appreciate Tony stopping guy and getting

830
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: his his thoughts on this particular draft and each year

831
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: and the good stuff as usual. Well, but uh, Matt,

832
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: we're just about ready to wrap up here as well.

833
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be back at two two to four, and

834
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: I'll be part of the blitz. We did the tradewitstening today.

835
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: I'll be joined when we like the upside down, get

836
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: to the break here. It is like kind of like

837
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: the upside down. When we take the break here.

838
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: We'll go to a lot of good stuff, jump out

839
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: and Jerry Dulux and Max Starks will jump in here

840
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: with us, and we'll take you up until two o'clock

841
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: and then Omar Kahn, the Steelers a general manager, so

842
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: you got to pack two hours coming up. Well, I'm

843
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: gone absolutely, we'll get to hear what what Omar has

844
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: to say about the teams. This is the first time

845
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: we've had a chance opportunity this offseason to hear from Omar,

846
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: so right right, and a lot going on. Yeah, looking

847
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: forward to to that as well. Matt. Thanks When when

848
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: the smoke clears from this week, what do you think

849
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: are our main takeaway from this whole process is going

850
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: to be?

851
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: Hmm, that's a big item there. But I think, you know,

852
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 2: we've been speculating for a while, what's the best path,

853
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 2: you know, in order to get everything you possibly can

854
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: and things like defensive linemen have tripped me up a

855
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: little bit, you know, how's the best way to address

856
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: that position group? But I think you'll see better clusters

857
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: kind of like we did last segment where boy, there's

858
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: four to seven second round linebackers. Let's go fishing there,

859
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 2: you know, and let's use free agency accordingly. This week

860
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: does makes that a lot clearer, you know, like where

861
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: the pockets are that you want to be fishing and

862
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: where you don't.

863
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we'll get a much better idea

864
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff. I like Tony had to

865
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: say there with twenty four guys at the first round

866
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: grade and usually you're looking at like.

867
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: Sixteen to eighteen that we've been mentioning that, but it

868
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: was good to hear from another source.

869
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just my thoughts on this. This This

870
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: is a guy who does this for a living. Yeah,

871
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: that you don't want eighteen when you're sitting at twenty.

872
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: You want to hear, right, you want to hear twenty three,

873
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: twenty four. And that's why I think this draft sets

874
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: up so well for the Steelers too. That's uh, you know,

875
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: no matter what seems to happen when we even when

876
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: we do our mock drafts, there's always somebody there.

877
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: That you're very comfortable with that yeah, yeah, yeah, And

878
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: that's where I's gonna go to is often there's three

879
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: or four yeah, Like I mean, who knows how it

880
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: goes and this will change, but moving from twenty to

881
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: twenty four.

882
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: Right goes in in that top fifteen or wherever, you know, Yeah,

883
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: that pushes somebody else. Now, if Troup Robinson happens to go, yeah,

884
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: therede you're right, you know, so, or another defense both

885
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, so I mean, I think you know they

886
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: were really did a nice job last year with that

887
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: extra pick, the Porter pick that if you could maybe

888
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: go from twenty to twenty three to twenty five and

889
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: pick up another day two pick, and you know they

890
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: packaged to move up at one point too. You know,

891
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: with Roderick Jones, it just I'd love to see him

892
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: add something else on Day two. I mean, if possible,

893
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: or just sit there and be very comfortable. Who falls

894
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: to you? Yeah, I mean I just think that in

895
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: this particular draft where you you know, it's not like

896
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: last year. If you look at what happened last year,

897
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: there were the I think three tackles I want to.

898
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 2: Say that Johnson, Jones, and right, and.

899
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: There was another one that went Roderick Jones was the

900
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: fourth tackle taken.

901
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: He was Yeah, Johnson went to the Cardinals, Right went

902
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: to the Bears. What's his face with the Titans that

903
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: they call tackle.

904
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think that's what kind of precipitated the

905
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: Questern the Steelers moving up because they looked at us. Okay,

906
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: there's these four tackles that we would take in the

907
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: first round, and the Jets were looming and it may

908
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: have only been three because you know a lot of people, uh,

909
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: look a Scrotsky as a as A, as an interior guy.

910
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: They usually go super quick. Ye, why this year is insane?

911
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: This year? You know, you could be sitting here and going,

912
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: we got six or seven tackles that we think are

913
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: first round guys.

914
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean hypothetically, you know, Mims is your number six,

915
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: but okay, that's not so bad.

916
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: In some years he might be number two, right.

917
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 2: I mean, did you neat to be interesting to put

918
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: this group of tackles mixed in with prodercts class and

919
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: rank them one to ten?

920
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: You know, I mean it's pretty strong, absolutely, seven tenths

921
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: of the same thing with the cornerbacks. Porter last year

922
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: was the fourth cornerback taking at thirty two. Okay, he's

923
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: picked at thirty two. There'll be more than four taken

924
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: before the first forty thirty two picks.

925
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: This year, I think so too, And I wanted to

926
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: ask more about it, but Tony's top guy was still

927
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: kool Aid. And that's one of the few people I've

928
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: heard say that. Not that he's right right or wrong,

929
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: but I mean, if he's right there with the the

930
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 2: Jeans and you know, Mitchell's and those guys too, I

931
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: think you're I think you're definitely a five.

932
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so. Again, you know when you start counting

933
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: off those picks, you know, nineteen picks before the Steelers pick, well,

934
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: he got six or seven offensive tackles, you got four

935
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: or five cornerbacks and quack. You know the quarterbacks are

936
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: going to go, you know, the wide receivers are going

937
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: to go. Fills those spots up pretty quickly, and you're like, okay, yeah, yeah,

938
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: twenty is a player. You can get a good player

939
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: at twenty.

940
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, twenty is much worse than fifteen, yeah,

941
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: or all that much better than twenty three years And.

942
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: That's the that's the beauty. The other beauty of this

943
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: draft is I don't I don't know that. I think

944
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 1: when you're talking about that line of delineation, when you're

945
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: talking about the true first rounders, usually like, okay, these

946
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: are the blue chip guys, and then there's there's some

947
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: guys here. These are the next group, and they're not

948
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: quite as good. I think everybody's kind of in that

949
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: same oh yeah class.

950
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not trying to like embellish this, but

951
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: a Guidon, for example, or a Mimes could be right

952
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: there with Darnell. Right, yeah, you know, I mean they

953
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: really that much different. I mean, they're just happened to

954
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: be fewer of them last year. Yeah, and so you know,

955
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: I think that's it's the ball. But again, the draft

956
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: itself not as deep.

957
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: No overall.

958
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: I mean, the late rounds I think are going to

959
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: be like you're scraping the bomb.

960
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: The Bear, twenty five and forty players that and.

961
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: Maybe teams will draft long snappers and punters and things

962
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: like that.

963
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: Trade away picks this year for next year for you know,

964
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: teams that are looking to the teams that are we

965
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: still need another safety. Let's let's get another pick here

966
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: and see if we can. Yeah that guy.

967
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: It wouldn't shock me if the Steelers end up drafting

968
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: a punter or a running back or something that you

969
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: don't think is a draftable position for where they're at,

970
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: just because there's a lot of them, and as opposed

971
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: to taking an undrafted, undraftable type player.

972
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah guy, may not make your roster. Take a guy

973
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: that's at least going to contribute some way.

974
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, which again is another reason I'd love to

975
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: get a Day two pick somehow if possible, because I

976
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 2: don't know that you can count on hitting gold.

977
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: You know, five you or you know, if you're sitting

978
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: there in the you know, you didn't get somebody in

979
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: the first three rounds and you have those two fourth

980
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: round picks. If you can package a four and a

981
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: six to move up a lottle, but it's somebody that

982
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: you really covet go get a receiver that you like

983
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: or whatever. That extra fourth goes a long way too. Yeah. Absolutely,

984
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: But Matt, that's good. That's going to do it for

985
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: our version or our part of the day here. H

986
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: So that's going to do it for the drive for today.

987
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow to finish up our cover here

988
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: at the NFL Scouting Combine. But Matt's gonna jump out.

989
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: We'll have Jerry Dulac and Max Starks jumping in here.

990
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: And as I said earlier, we'll hear from Steelers General

991
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,959
Speaker 1: manager Omar Kahn later on this afternoon, so I can't

992
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: wait for that. But that's going to do it for

993
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: the drive today here on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox

994
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: Sports Pittsburgh. We are live at the NFL Scouting Combine.

995
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more here, but not with Matt.

996
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: Right after this