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Nate 0:00:44.752 --> 0:00:47.592 Thompson just getting worked right now, the late night NHL 0:00:47.632 --> 0:00:49.832 Tonight shift. So in the midst of having to break 0:00:49.872 --> 0:00:52.192 down what happened the avalanche in the wild, Nate along 0:00:52.232 --> 0:00:54.112 with me and JD and telling everybody else going what 0:00:54.712 --> 0:00:57.392 the leaves get the number one pick? The fix is in, Nate, 0:00:57.712 --> 0:01:01.272 The fix is in unbelievable shades of Austin Matthews number 0:01:01.312 --> 0:01:03.152 one pick, Wendell Clark a number one peck back in 0:01:03.192 --> 0:01:04.872 the day. The rest of the top five, we'll get 0:01:04.872 --> 0:01:07.352 to San Jose. JD's guys moving up seven spots in 0:01:07.392 --> 0:01:09.711 the lottery, Vancouver are the best odds to win. I 0:01:09.711 --> 0:01:12.871 want him mckennatha. Vancouver doesn't happen. Canucks are going third 0:01:12.872 --> 0:01:16.872 in Chicago and the Rangers again tumultuous week. Nate here 0:01:16.872 --> 0:01:19.631 for the leaves. After the press conference, Steve Simmons gonna 0:01:19.631 --> 0:01:21.952 after Jaka, Pelly, et cetera, just your thoughts on the 0:01:22.032 --> 0:01:24.071 draft because a lot of people seem pretty pissed off. 0:01:24.592 --> 0:01:28.752 Yeah, it's a joke. Lease, it's crazy. I mean the 0:01:28.792 --> 0:01:32.551 pressure's on though from John Jaika. I mean, now, now, 0:01:32.551 --> 0:01:34.831 what are you gonna do. You're gonna take the first pick? 0:01:34.831 --> 0:01:36.352 You canna take the second you're traded. 0:01:36.392 --> 0:01:36.752 I don't know. 0:01:36.792 --> 0:01:39.191 I mean, he well, let's see what he's made of 0:01:39.271 --> 0:01:41.431 now with you know, having the first overall pick. But 0:01:41.472 --> 0:01:44.752 I mean, this is it's insanity to me that the 0:01:44.831 --> 0:01:47.791 least got this. I mean, it's not rig though. We 0:01:47.872 --> 0:01:49.432 know that it's just random. 0:01:49.952 --> 0:01:52.231 Because Toronto's pick JD was in the top five. Twenty 0:01:52.272 --> 0:01:54.472 twenty seven and twenty twenty picks go to Boston and 0:01:54.512 --> 0:01:56.992 Philly thanks to Brandon Carl and Scott Lawton. 0:01:57.032 --> 0:01:57.392 Trades. 0:01:57.472 --> 0:02:01.072 Love that now mckinna is the top ranked North American skater. 0:02:01.272 --> 0:02:02.792 You got Chase Reed in the mix as well. But 0:02:02.832 --> 0:02:05.352 I know, Jedd, you've talked about Steenbroock top of the 0:02:05.392 --> 0:02:08.112 list of international skaters. The Swedish phenom our friend Lawrence 0:02:08.192 --> 0:02:10.431 Goldsien is a phenomenal Joon Michel Neborg. He said to 0:02:10.472 --> 0:02:13.272 me Stembrick might be the most player ready guy tomorrow. 0:02:13.552 --> 0:02:14.952 So what do you make of the results and is 0:02:14.952 --> 0:02:17.272 it a fedcon bleu that McKenna goes number one. 0:02:18.311 --> 0:02:21.151 Well, they need a winger for Matthews, so that kind 0:02:21.151 --> 0:02:25.032 of solves that problem. But man, when you go to 0:02:25.072 --> 0:02:28.992 the casinos, sometimes you win big. Listen. They lose their 0:02:28.992 --> 0:02:31.872 two picks in the first round the next two years, 0:02:32.431 --> 0:02:35.351 so the clock is ticking. It's a very difficult situation. 0:02:35.952 --> 0:02:38.392 But I mean to fucking you know Tree Living. I 0:02:38.431 --> 0:02:41.591 heard he's a great guy, but not just destroy this 0:02:42.112 --> 0:02:46.431 franchise fairly quickly, pretty damn quick. He blew this thing 0:02:46.512 --> 0:02:49.911 up and just rode off into the sunset. So good 0:02:49.912 --> 0:02:52.511 for him. He'll be on a beach somewhere. But yeah, 0:02:52.591 --> 0:02:55.192 I listen, it's gonna be it's gonna be difficult because 0:02:56.031 --> 0:02:58.872 anything he does right now, you know, there's no rose 0:02:58.912 --> 0:03:03.151 colored glasses on Chica or Sunday, Like, I think he's 0:03:03.192 --> 0:03:05.871 gonna really not be in the public eye. I think 0:03:05.871 --> 0:03:07.552 it's gonna be more Sundean, and that's gonna be the 0:03:07.591 --> 0:03:10.191 more forward facing guy. I think he's going to kind 0:03:10.192 --> 0:03:12.032 of hide in the background and be more of the 0:03:12.871 --> 0:03:16.832 you know, the pulling the strings and making the moves. 0:03:16.912 --> 0:03:19.712 But Sunday's gonna kind of be the face, and you know, 0:03:20.311 --> 0:03:23.832 hopefully he's able to kind of figure out if McKenna 0:03:23.992 --> 0:03:26.512 is the guy. I do think you have to go McKenna. 0:03:26.992 --> 0:03:29.552 You know, I love Stenberg too. I think Stenberg's kind 0:03:29.552 --> 0:03:33.752 of the To me, he is the most ready person 0:03:33.832 --> 0:03:37.032 out there. But they need a winger for Matthews. This 0:03:37.152 --> 0:03:40.192 could be the guy. And also this could be you know, 0:03:40.232 --> 0:03:42.272 Matthews could turn around and be like I want out 0:03:42.272 --> 0:03:44.952 of here, you know, because I've had enough and I 0:03:44.952 --> 0:03:47.272 don't know where the franchise is going. But you know, 0:03:47.352 --> 0:03:49.112 he's in a good position where he's going to go 0:03:49.112 --> 0:03:51.632 to them and be like, prove to me that I 0:03:51.632 --> 0:03:54.912 should stay here, Like, prove to me what is your plan? 0:03:55.752 --> 0:03:57.352 And they're gonna have to deal with that plan. But 0:03:57.352 --> 0:04:00.112 I do think you got to go McKenna. A dynamic 0:04:00.192 --> 0:04:03.432 winger like that for Amats could really help him. He's 0:04:03.472 --> 0:04:08.312 never had a a lefty on his on his on 0:04:08.432 --> 0:04:13.632 his wing, that's that skilled and offensively adept. It's always 0:04:13.632 --> 0:04:15.912 been usually righty, So I think, yeah, to the point. 0:04:15.952 --> 0:04:17.832 But Matthews and the clock ticket though, j D. That's 0:04:17.832 --> 0:04:19.472 what a lot of people were saying in Toronto. Matthews 0:04:19.472 --> 0:04:22.072 apparently said, like, I want to see significant changes made 0:04:22.072 --> 0:04:23.952 to this roster in the next few months. So I 0:04:23.952 --> 0:04:25.832 wouldn't say he's holding the team of hostage. What other 0:04:25.832 --> 0:04:28.072 player wouldn't want his team to be significantly upgraded. But 0:04:28.152 --> 0:04:30.392 now there's starts to get more scuttle about that. Maybe 0:04:30.432 --> 0:04:32.512 Matthews wants out and a couple months maybe him and 0:04:32.512 --> 0:04:33.632 Bruce Cassidy going to LA. 0:04:33.912 --> 0:04:36.312 What do you think of that? 0:04:36.312 --> 0:04:38.991 That's number one for me, Jesse Is Matthews. 0:04:39.272 --> 0:04:40.712 Yeah, we had it Matthews La. 0:04:41.671 --> 0:04:44.392 No, I mean just in general, like they have to 0:04:45.712 --> 0:04:48.712 like Chaka and Sundin to me like that's their first 0:04:48.752 --> 0:04:51.832 phone call, Like all right, we got the first pick, Austin. 0:04:51.952 --> 0:04:54.952 What do you think what should we do? Should we 0:04:54.952 --> 0:04:56.192 get on the same page? We got to get on 0:04:56.192 --> 0:04:57.751 the same page here. I mean, I don't know that 0:04:57.832 --> 0:04:59.792 that to me because if I'm Austin and all this 0:04:59.832 --> 0:05:01.431 is going on, I'm. 0:05:01.272 --> 0:05:01.952 Like, hmm. 0:05:03.392 --> 0:05:07.152 Hmmm, Like he's Oero for two in the press conferences. 0:05:07.472 --> 0:05:13.392 Oh he's he's an AI guy. He can't Well. The 0:05:13.472 --> 0:05:16.512 tough thing about it is that Peka came out and 0:05:16.552 --> 0:05:19.912 said that his first order of business is to like 0:05:19.952 --> 0:05:21.952 rebuild the back end and then you get the first 0:05:21.952 --> 0:05:23.112 overall pick. He's probably like. 0:05:23.112 --> 0:05:25.671 Fuck he wanted wingers. 0:05:26.312 --> 0:05:29.192 Yeah, he probably was hoping he'd get like three or 0:05:29.231 --> 0:05:31.272 four and then you could because there's a couple of 0:05:31.272 --> 0:05:34.472 good d in there. Chase Reid, you know, Fairhawk defense. 0:05:34.592 --> 0:05:37.952 Albert Schmidt's is a sneaky one for lat Via. They 0:05:38.032 --> 0:05:43.072 watching during the Olympics. He's a big, big, big, brooding defenseman. Huge. 0:05:43.632 --> 0:05:46.231 So I feel like he's like, fuck, he might trade down. 0:05:46.832 --> 0:05:50.152 You know, if I'm him, I point he might get magic. 0:05:50.351 --> 0:05:51.832 I'm gonna pick. You know, I'll trade down. I'll get 0:05:51.832 --> 0:05:52.952 the defense when I want. 0:05:53.192 --> 0:05:55.672 Yeah, trade down, laughing pick. 0:05:56.112 --> 0:06:00.872 San Jose's laughing right now, laughing, laughing, right now. Second pick. 0:06:01.032 --> 0:06:03.592 Just sit back in their lawn chair and just wait. 0:06:04.512 --> 0:06:04.792 That's it. 0:06:04.952 --> 0:06:09.551 I loved it that San Jose got number two, So 0:06:09.552 --> 0:06:12.672 I'm gonna take my my my trip around the sun here. 0:06:12.671 --> 0:06:13.952 That's a beautiful, beautiful thing. 0:06:13.992 --> 0:06:16.032 Which defenseman jd or is it? 0:06:16.112 --> 0:06:16.272 Like? 0:06:16.832 --> 0:06:20.671 That's where I texted Samina right after, and I was like, 0:06:21.192 --> 0:06:23.072 I was like, dude, I was like, do we get 0:06:23.072 --> 0:06:25.392 a demon? And I'm like, I know Stenberg's the guy, 0:06:26.192 --> 0:06:30.512 but you know, you got Misa, you got you know Maclin. 0:06:31.231 --> 0:06:34.392 I mean, you could build this roster up front in 0:06:34.512 --> 0:06:38.232 fucking an instant with Stenberg and you have you have 0:06:38.312 --> 0:06:40.912 a forward group that's set for the next eight to 0:06:40.952 --> 0:06:44.392 ten years. It feels like but then, you know, I'm 0:06:44.392 --> 0:06:47.312 also looking like, you got Chase Reed, He's a bona 0:06:47.351 --> 0:06:51.552 fide you know, first power play defenseman. You got bear Hoff, 0:06:52.392 --> 0:06:53.232 you got Schmidt. 0:06:54.152 --> 0:06:54.351 You know. 0:06:54.392 --> 0:06:57.192 I'm like, do you go off the board? Do they 0:06:57.231 --> 0:06:57.791 trade down? 0:06:57.872 --> 0:06:58.152 Maybe? 0:06:58.152 --> 0:07:01.512 But San Jose, I mean, god damn it, are we 0:07:02.272 --> 0:07:03.432 sitting pretty right now? 0:07:04.472 --> 0:07:05.192 Ready right now? 0:07:05.872 --> 0:07:07.952 Like quit the network and just go work full time 0:07:07.992 --> 0:07:08.552 for the Sharks. 0:07:08.552 --> 0:07:12.032 Now, that's the first thing I thought of what I saw. 0:07:12.112 --> 0:07:15.192 I was like, oooh, San Jose, San Jose looks nice 0:07:15.272 --> 0:07:16.072 right now right there. 0:07:16.872 --> 0:07:18.872 Just because everyone's had an opinion on the press conference, JD. 0:07:18.952 --> 0:07:20.112 I do want to get your thoughts on this a 0:07:20.152 --> 0:07:22.392 little bit, John Jake, as you said recently, I think 0:07:22.432 --> 0:07:23.792 you were on the fan in Toronto saying, you know, 0:07:23.872 --> 0:07:25.392 he traded for me, had a good relationship with him, 0:07:25.432 --> 0:07:27.432 nothing bad to say, but the guy obviously went through 0:07:27.472 --> 0:07:29.152 a lot of things there. I'm not going to dispute that, 0:07:29.312 --> 0:07:31.072 you know, a situation with Shane doone, which is why 0:07:31.192 --> 0:07:33.432 biz Nasty is out turning on the leaves, very memorably 0:07:33.632 --> 0:07:36.152 telling Leaf fans he's out, he's down on them, which 0:07:36.152 --> 0:07:39.352 has been very entertaining on social medium press converence itself. 0:07:39.392 --> 0:07:41.152 I'll say this, JD. And you know this, if someone's 0:07:41.152 --> 0:07:43.432 gonna criticize you, I always think a little humor goes 0:07:43.472 --> 0:07:45.952 a long way. So when Steve Simmons goes at you, 0:07:45.992 --> 0:07:48.032 there's no way. Keith Pelly and Shake these guys don't 0:07:48.032 --> 0:07:49.872 know it's coming. Like at some point someone's gonna go, hey, 0:07:50.032 --> 0:07:52.592 you hired this guy, like seriously. But I would have 0:07:52.632 --> 0:07:55.952 thought when Steve again, Steve is certainly has a strong 0:07:55.992 --> 0:07:57.672 reputation and he's come out and he was with our 0:07:57.672 --> 0:07:59.032 buddy E. J. E. Radachis, he goes this is I 0:07:59.072 --> 0:08:01.112 wasn't trying to be insulting. I was being blunt, Like 0:08:01.352 --> 0:08:03.872 the hockey world is astounded by this decision, Like he goes. 0:08:03.872 --> 0:08:05.792 People still reaching out to me, Like I reached up 0:08:05.792 --> 0:08:07.432 to a couple and they said, gay, wait wait, dude, 0:08:07.472 --> 0:08:09.672 Chake is no good. He sucks, he's this he's a conman. 0:08:09.712 --> 0:08:11.472 He goes, that's why I said that stuff. I'm like, 0:08:11.512 --> 0:08:13.392 I wasn't. I'm thinking of everyone is just in shock. 0:08:13.392 --> 0:08:15.592 I'm saying what everyone else is thinking. Which I appreciate 0:08:15.792 --> 0:08:18.032 that kind of honesty. But Pelly's response to dating, he 0:08:18.072 --> 0:08:20.552 just kind of goes, Okay, that's it. Like that, that's 0:08:20.552 --> 0:08:22.632 your response to it. I think a little humor there 0:08:22.672 --> 0:08:24.472 would have been helpful. So if I say to you 0:08:24.512 --> 0:08:26.752 tomorrow's well, you're gonna hire Nate. This guy's a conman, 0:08:26.832 --> 0:08:28.592 he's and liars of shit like Nate Thompson. Are you 0:08:28.592 --> 0:08:30.792 out of your mind? And you go give me the 0:08:30.872 --> 0:08:33.192 nineteen names all happy to have a conversation with them 0:08:33.192 --> 0:08:35.192 and we'll get after it, like something like just something 0:08:35.232 --> 0:08:37.112 on those lines where you know, just a guest. We've 0:08:37.112 --> 0:08:39.872 talked to different people. Now I talk to Freebry about 0:08:39.872 --> 0:08:41.712 it and Frieze goes, I've been around corporate people and 0:08:41.752 --> 0:08:44.392 their their view is nothing to see here, just don't. 0:08:44.152 --> 0:08:44.872 Give them anything. 0:08:45.392 --> 0:08:47.112 I don't know if that's the right approach, but the 0:08:47.192 --> 0:08:49.392 least certainly got blasted for the way they handled the 0:08:49.392 --> 0:08:49.992 whole situation. 0:08:51.552 --> 0:08:53.552 Or Matt Sunde and I saw him at the Olympics, 0:08:53.592 --> 0:08:56.992 you know, with his entourage doing Swedish radio, and then 0:08:57.032 --> 0:09:00.032 now he's saying he's in the next he's in the 0:09:00.232 --> 0:09:02.272 for Toronto, and then shit eating grin when they got 0:09:02.272 --> 0:09:07.512 the first overall peg just you have unbelievable Yeah, yeah. 0:09:07.632 --> 0:09:10.872 Either way, they didn't seem prepared necessarily for what was coming. 0:09:10.912 --> 0:09:12.632 But they're in it now. Everyone knows the leaves are 0:09:12.672 --> 0:09:14.512 in it now. And like Nate said, the ball's in 0:09:14.512 --> 0:09:15.912 your court now. Boys, you do what you gotta do. 0:09:15.912 --> 0:09:17.192 You want to trade down that pick, you want to 0:09:17.232 --> 0:09:19.392 take the pick. Shake is only thirty six years old, 0:09:19.432 --> 0:09:20.672 by the way, which is crazy to think about it. 0:09:20.752 --> 0:09:22.272 It's kind of been your point, Gad, he's saying he 0:09:22.312 --> 0:09:24.192 was only twenty six. We have the job again. Mistakes 0:09:24.232 --> 0:09:26.032 for makes everyone knows that he's been how the leagues 0:09:26.072 --> 0:09:28.752 is twenty twenty, but it's still shocking what's gone down. 0:09:28.912 --> 0:09:31.792 And well, if you were when we were twenty six, 0:09:31.832 --> 0:09:34.752 if we'd have got that much power, Yeah, you're bound 0:09:34.832 --> 0:09:39.472 to make a mistake. You're not immune to to you know, 0:09:39.712 --> 0:09:43.032 everything around. And I think he the biggest mistake was 0:09:43.072 --> 0:09:46.712 the Shane Doan and you know, not surrounding himself with 0:09:46.712 --> 0:09:50.232 with guys that had played in the league, Guys that 0:09:50.352 --> 0:09:53.792 loved the franchise, you know, are big reason the franchise 0:09:53.832 --> 0:09:55.792 state as long as it did with Shane Doan. So 0:09:56.152 --> 0:09:58.632 I agree with Biz on that of like, you know, 0:09:58.752 --> 0:10:00.592 the whole thing with Shikes. But again, he's a twenty 0:10:00.592 --> 0:10:02.312 six year old, Like we had a lot of guys 0:10:02.312 --> 0:10:04.072 on the team. I was older than Shikes when he 0:10:04.152 --> 0:10:07.552 was there, So it's like and I was thirty three 0:10:07.592 --> 0:10:11.072 making tons of mistakes, So it's like it's gonna happen. 0:10:11.272 --> 0:10:13.992 I mean, do I think he was there was a 0:10:14.032 --> 0:10:16.312 lot of other picks for that job. Yes, But do 0:10:16.392 --> 0:10:19.112 I think that somebody now that he has it, deserves 0:10:19.112 --> 0:10:22.352 to see what he can do. To Nate's point, like, hey, 0:10:23.152 --> 0:10:25.192 you got the first overall pick, you got your team, 0:10:25.312 --> 0:10:28.832 blank canvas, sort of go to work. Let's see if 0:10:28.872 --> 0:10:31.352 you can actually prove us all wrong. And I think 0:10:31.392 --> 0:10:33.952 if you know, he did a good thing by our 0:10:34.312 --> 0:10:36.272 you know, Toronto did a good thing by parking Matt 0:10:36.352 --> 0:10:38.632 Sundee next to him. So now you have a guy 0:10:38.672 --> 0:10:41.432 that's been there, a legend, that hopefully can help. And 0:10:41.472 --> 0:10:44.232 my thought is that he's going to handle all the 0:10:44.232 --> 0:10:46.752 big stuff, and Matt's is going to be around the 0:10:46.792 --> 0:10:49.512 team day to day, beyond the road. You know, He's 0:10:49.552 --> 0:10:52.032 going to be kind of the forward facing guy, which 0:10:52.152 --> 0:10:53.872 I think is what they should have done in Arizona 0:10:53.872 --> 0:10:58.752 with Chain. But again, twenty six years old, fucking mistakes 0:10:58.752 --> 0:10:59.192 were made. 0:10:59.392 --> 0:11:01.112 So now you do the same thing that Chake has 0:11:01.192 --> 0:11:02.912 running the team. But matts Adine will be the face 0:11:02.992 --> 0:11:04.392 up there. He'll take all the bullets, so to speak. 0:11:05.272 --> 0:11:07.272 I wonder because I mean, I don't know. I mean, 0:11:07.832 --> 0:11:09.752 when you do things like that in the past, obviously 0:11:09.832 --> 0:11:12.392 it affects your relationships with other gms around the league. 0:11:12.392 --> 0:11:14.952 And how is that gonna happen? How is that going 0:11:15.032 --> 0:11:16.672 to hang? Like? How is he going to handle that? Like? 0:11:16.752 --> 0:11:18.472 Is Matt's gonna have to get on the speakerphone with 0:11:18.552 --> 0:11:20.512 him when they call other gms to help him out? 0:11:20.912 --> 0:11:22.912 You know, because I mean, if I'm other GM, and 0:11:23.232 --> 0:11:25.792 that's got to be a that's got to be a 0:11:25.832 --> 0:11:28.272 point here, I would imagine for him. You know, I'm 0:11:28.312 --> 0:11:30.832 all for second chances, I am, But I think I 0:11:30.952 --> 0:11:34.152 wonder how, you know, John, if he calls a GM 0:11:34.192 --> 0:11:37.352 and he wants to make a deal, if some GMS 0:11:37.392 --> 0:11:39.392 are reluctant to talk to him, you know, I think 0:11:39.392 --> 0:11:42.672 that's going to be a big, a big point probably. 0:11:43.752 --> 0:11:46.832 Meantime Oilers eliminated in six games by Anaheim Connor mcdavidson. 0:11:46.872 --> 0:11:49.832 The team was average all season. Leon Dreysol said he 0:11:49.912 --> 0:11:53.472 was concerned the team and taking big steps backwards. Clock's 0:11:53.512 --> 0:11:55.432 ticking right now, Nate. When it comes to McDavid and Edmonds, 0:11:55.432 --> 0:11:58.552 and how they fix it is bowman out? Is comatos Chris, Chris? 0:11:58.592 --> 0:11:59.872 No block out? What's going on? 0:12:01.032 --> 0:12:02.992 Changes need to be made. I mean, they were right. 0:12:03.712 --> 0:12:06.712 I love that Connor and Leon came out and said this, 0:12:06.792 --> 0:12:09.512 and we're so candid and and Leon especially, I mean, 0:12:09.552 --> 0:12:12.232 he said it. He talked about I know, and JD's 0:12:12.272 --> 0:12:14.472 talked about before too. Like he said it. He talked 0:12:14.472 --> 0:12:16.872 about the guys that they've missed on and the guys 0:12:16.912 --> 0:12:18.352 that they've had in the past and you look at 0:12:18.392 --> 0:12:20.952 their roster when they went to the First Cup twenty 0:12:20.952 --> 0:12:22.832 twenty four. But I mean, just how much different it 0:12:22.872 --> 0:12:25.912 is now? And I mean it's not even comparable. Yeah, 0:12:25.872 --> 0:12:27.552 I mean you look at it and they are. They 0:12:27.592 --> 0:12:29.472 were average. They got beat by a better team than 0:12:29.512 --> 0:12:33.832 the Ducks. And I don't know I've for the Edmonton 0:12:33.872 --> 0:12:38.032 Oilers before. I mean, they they got some serious I 0:12:38.072 --> 0:12:40.792 think the other thing, that's another one is they have 0:12:40.872 --> 0:12:42.152 a lot of changes they have to be made. But 0:12:42.192 --> 0:12:44.032 they got to get on the same page with Connor 0:12:44.032 --> 0:12:47.152 and Lehon Now. I think that's probably because they're they're flustered, 0:12:47.192 --> 0:12:51.512 they're not happy and moving forward for the Oilers. Yeah, 0:12:51.552 --> 0:12:55.232 this is uh, this is another another so os out 0:12:55.232 --> 0:12:55.752 of Edmonton. 0:12:57.232 --> 0:13:00.712 Yeah there. I love what Leon said, I love what 0:13:00.792 --> 0:13:03.872 Connor said. Listen, they put pressure on the organization. I 0:13:03.872 --> 0:13:06.312 think you have to do that. You know, you put 0:13:06.312 --> 0:13:09.272 the ball squarely in their court. You know, Connor played 0:13:09.272 --> 0:13:12.232 through injury I think somewhat in the playoffs and you know, 0:13:12.352 --> 0:13:14.152 carried the team. They didn't have a great team all 0:13:14.192 --> 0:13:17.192 season long. They were average. They didn't go on any 0:13:17.272 --> 0:13:21.032 lengthy winning streaks. They were just kind of meh. All year, 0:13:21.112 --> 0:13:22.952 we're kind of always just like, eh, are they going 0:13:22.992 --> 0:13:24.752 to turn it on? It looks like they're going to 0:13:24.792 --> 0:13:27.792 turn on. Nope, they're not so But you know, I 0:13:27.792 --> 0:13:32.072 think it's it's time for them to to figure it out, 0:13:32.072 --> 0:13:34.192 and it's time for them to sit down with Connor 0:13:34.232 --> 0:13:37.072 and Leon and see what they want. And I do 0:13:37.352 --> 0:13:42.752 love the candidness by them of being listen, Leon going 0:13:43.272 --> 0:13:46.232 we got two years. It's like, we have two years. 0:13:46.312 --> 0:13:49.112 Connor is here is contracts for two years. I don't 0:13:49.152 --> 0:13:51.832 know what he's gonna do. We have two years, and 0:13:51.872 --> 0:13:53.872 what's to say in two years that Leon doesn't turn 0:13:53.912 --> 0:13:55.032 around and say fucking trade me. 0:13:55.272 --> 0:13:56.992 Well. The other party too, is when they say they 0:13:56.992 --> 0:13:59.112 have two years, you're right theoretically they do on paper, 0:13:59.232 --> 0:14:01.192 but almost feel like they have one year. Like this 0:14:01.272 --> 0:14:03.512 next year, damn to say I got what you left over? 0:14:03.592 --> 0:14:07.032 Right, he won't play. It's there needs to be significant 0:14:07.112 --> 0:14:11.072 change in terms of you know, and they've been everybody's been. 0:14:11.952 --> 0:14:15.232 Everybody's been yelling and moaning and groaning about the decoor 0:14:15.712 --> 0:14:19.072 and the goaltending. So it's like if you got to 0:14:19.112 --> 0:14:21.432 shoot the moon and get Jordan Bennington, because that's the 0:14:21.432 --> 0:14:23.832 only guy or you gotta find somebody else. It's time 0:14:23.872 --> 0:14:27.432 to do it now. But again it's tough. They're in 0:14:27.432 --> 0:14:31.672 a tough position. And the other the other funny thing 0:14:31.792 --> 0:14:34.272 about it is that now with Leon and Connor saying 0:14:34.312 --> 0:14:37.552 that every GM is probably licking their lips, being like, well, 0:14:37.592 --> 0:14:39.712 they're going to panic and they're going to make a move. 0:14:39.832 --> 0:14:43.912 So you know, sometimes when there's smoke, you know Bowman's 0:14:43.912 --> 0:14:46.392 gonna wait, maybe till a couple months into the season. 0:14:46.432 --> 0:14:49.352 But I mean the words out that those two guys 0:14:49.392 --> 0:14:52.992 aren't happy. So again you talk about Nate people not 0:14:53.032 --> 0:14:55.392 picking up the phone for Chika. They might look at 0:14:55.392 --> 0:14:57.392 Bowman and be like, let's just run this bitch out. 0:14:59.392 --> 0:15:02.112 We'll take a shot at Connor Wall take a shot 0:15:02.152 --> 0:15:02.912 at Connor Stan. 0:15:02.952 --> 0:15:05.712 Bowman's with a disaster. But this guy, he thinks he 0:15:05.712 --> 0:15:07.792 improves his goal to JD. He gives him when Skinner 0:15:07.832 --> 0:15:10.352 gets Jarry. Now you're handcuffed by a worse contract and 0:15:10.392 --> 0:15:12.752 you treated a pick for Dickinson. The team's gotten worse. 0:15:13.672 --> 0:15:18.552 Yeah, the Skinner trade is that one's gonna hurt. Oh, 0:15:18.672 --> 0:15:20.552 that was gonna sing. And then the fact that it 0:15:20.592 --> 0:15:24.552 doesn't look little by all accounts, it looks like they 0:15:24.552 --> 0:15:27.432 don't like him, like personally, and he doesn't like them. 0:15:27.512 --> 0:15:31.512 So it's like this weird, this weird fucking thing that 0:15:31.672 --> 0:15:33.472 like they just want to get rid of him. So 0:15:33.512 --> 0:15:36.272 I'm assuming they're gonna eat some money and he's going 0:15:36.352 --> 0:15:38.792 to go somewhere or he's gonna get sent down, But 0:15:38.912 --> 0:15:42.032 I can't see him being their starter come at the 0:15:42.032 --> 0:15:42.872 beginning of the year. 0:15:42.952 --> 0:15:44.632 Last team. Then we'll get to the actual hockey from 0:15:44.712 --> 0:15:46.232 last night. The Lightning failed to get out of the 0:15:46.232 --> 0:15:49.872 first round fourth straight season. Nikita Kuchrov from Braydon Point 0:15:49.912 --> 0:15:53.112 combined for two goals in seven games against the hap 0:15:53.192 --> 0:15:55.552 somehow Montreal with less than ten shots on goal nine 0:15:55.552 --> 0:15:58.192 shots on goal winning game seven. Victor had been missed 0:15:58.192 --> 0:16:00.912 the series against Montreal to attend to his mental health. 0:16:00.952 --> 0:16:02.552 That's wanted to ask you about, Nate. You and GD 0:16:02.632 --> 0:16:05.312 have spoken about mental health. It's important as former players, 0:16:05.352 --> 0:16:07.312 you know it. What happened to headman and what does 0:16:07.312 --> 0:16:08.632 this meaning for the team next season. 0:16:10.072 --> 0:16:12.512 I can't speak for Heady as far as what happened, 0:16:12.552 --> 0:16:14.832 but I mean, obviously you know there's a big mental 0:16:14.832 --> 0:16:17.392 health component here and he took time away which good 0:16:17.392 --> 0:16:19.312 for him. You know, you you got to take care 0:16:19.312 --> 0:16:23.392 of your head. I respect that. And then for the Lightning, 0:16:23.512 --> 0:16:25.272 I mean, this one's tough. I mean, four years in 0:16:25.272 --> 0:16:28.512 a row and you said it, you know, coach point 0:16:29.152 --> 0:16:31.992 kind of non existent in the series. You know, they 0:16:32.032 --> 0:16:34.672 and I would say this, if they played that game 0:16:34.712 --> 0:16:37.152 seven ninety nine out of one hundred times, damp is 0:16:37.192 --> 0:16:41.072 probably winning that hockey game. But that's game Seven's that's hockey. 0:16:41.112 --> 0:16:45.472 And Montreal found a way. And I actually I really 0:16:45.712 --> 0:16:50.152 liked what andre Vassilevski said in his postgame presser. You know, 0:16:50.192 --> 0:16:52.432 he was candid about it too. He just came out 0:16:52.472 --> 0:16:54.432 and said it. So it's not good enough. We we 0:16:54.672 --> 0:16:56.272 got to figure it out and we have to get 0:16:56.272 --> 0:16:58.472 the job done. And we didn't stay with Coochs he 0:16:58.512 --> 0:17:02.592 talked about too, We didn't produce. So yeah, this is 0:17:03.472 --> 0:17:06.032 there's gonna be some tweet for this team. I think that, 0:17:06.152 --> 0:17:08.632 you know, if you lose in the first round four 0:17:08.672 --> 0:17:09.872 years in a row, you got to you got to 0:17:09.912 --> 0:17:12.472 make a little bit of changes. The big question obviously 0:17:12.512 --> 0:17:17.232 is Darren Radish. How do they keep him? I mean 0:17:17.272 --> 0:17:19.192 I would think I mean, even from his post apress 0:17:19.272 --> 0:17:21.712 it seems like he's not coming back. It was more 0:17:21.752 --> 0:17:23.832 of like a thank you to the Tampa Bay Lighting 0:17:23.872 --> 0:17:25.792 for everything that he's done for the last however how 0:17:25.832 --> 0:17:28.912 many years he's been there, four years? Yeah, I don't know, 0:17:29.032 --> 0:17:34.232 so for the Lightning. Yeah, this is they got to 0:17:34.232 --> 0:17:37.952 figure it out because you know, you lose. Well, they're like, 0:17:37.992 --> 0:17:39.712 so I had him winning the I hadn't winning in 0:17:39.712 --> 0:17:40.632 the bracket. 0:17:41.792 --> 0:17:41.992 Done. 0:17:42.112 --> 0:17:43.392 Now I don't. 0:17:44.792 --> 0:17:44.912 Know. 0:17:45.032 --> 0:17:47.112 It's it's tough. 0:17:48.312 --> 0:17:53.232 Yeah, I listen again there if Radish leaves, it's like, well, 0:17:54.192 --> 0:17:57.872 who do you have coming in? You know, there's there 0:17:57.872 --> 0:18:00.992 are some guys available, but and they got a lot 0:18:00.992 --> 0:18:04.912 of question marks, a lot of question marks all over there. 0:18:05.032 --> 0:18:10.272 You know, you're you're now losing. I mean, man, it's 0:18:10.392 --> 0:18:13.912 it's tough because do I think that this is a 0:18:13.952 --> 0:18:16.992