1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Papa's Perspective, brought to you 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: by Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store and a 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Mattress partner of the New York Giants. The one hundred 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: season celebration continues, and you know, we're bringing on various broadcasters, 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: and we said, you know, super Bowl forty two, Troy 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Aikman was behind the mic for Fox, why not bring 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: him on board to talk about it. Troy, thank you 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: so much for a couple of minutes. First and foremost, 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: You're welcome. Yeah, glad to be on Bob. 10 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 2: Thank you. 11 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 12 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: So, you know, the Giants did their top one hundred countdown, 13 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: and a guy you know, all too familiar, Lawrence Taylor, 14 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: finished first in the voting, and it's been a you know, 15 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: it's a special season for the Giants, and I don't 16 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: think there's anything more special than Super Bowl forty two. 17 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: As you look back on it, Having done the NFC 18 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: Championship game and having done the game where the Giants 19 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: played the Cowboys in the divisional round, did you get 20 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: a sense going into this that they had more of 21 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: a shot than most people thought. 22 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? 23 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: I think so. 24 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 4: I mean they Obviously they had a lot of good 25 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 4: things going for him, the way that they played through 26 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 4: the postseason and into that Super Bowl, you know, but 27 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 4: New England that they. 28 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: Had a lot going for them as well. 29 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 4: You know, But I don't know that a lot of 30 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 4: people gave them much of a chance going into that 31 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 4: ball ball game. But I think the fact that I 32 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 4: had seen them, you know, throughout the regular season, but 33 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 4: then also more importantly once they got into the postseason 34 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 4: and the role that they got on and the way 35 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 4: that they were able to carry themselves, I thought they 36 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 4: did have a shot. And it was a team they 37 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: were familiar with based on the way that they finished 38 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: the regular season as well. So I think there was 39 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 4: some familiarity, but a lot of good things had to 40 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 4: go their way in that game, and they did. 41 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: Obviously, they were able to get a lot of pressure 42 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: on Brady, right. I mean, the Patriots are leading seven 43 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: to three through three quarters, and this is a team 44 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: that had set every NFL scoring record. What was the 45 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: in your opinion, the key to their success? So being 46 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: able to hang with New England sort of not allow 47 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: New England to play the game they were accustomed to playing. 48 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was the entire key, Bob. I 49 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 4: mean the fact that they go into that game New 50 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 4: England with this high octane arsenal, and yet the Giants 51 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 4: were able to keep the score down and I feel 52 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 4: like that was that was the key, and giving them 53 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 4: an opportunity to win that game. That there was no 54 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: way that the Giants wanted to get into this shootout. 55 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 4: And the defensive front for the Giants, they dominated the 56 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 4: line of scrimmage. They continually harassed Brady throughout that game 57 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: and and that's why they were That's why they were 58 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 4: where they were late in the game with an opportunity, 59 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 4: you know, within scoring distance to win it. But yeah, 60 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 4: probably as people look back on that, it's a great 61 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 4: point that you make, and even bringing it up because 62 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 4: people remember a lot of things about that game, But 63 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 4: I don't know that that that stands out as much 64 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 4: as some of the big plays of course, that happened 65 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 4: down the stretch. 66 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: Think about even late in the first half, Brady hits 67 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: a couple of passes. They're driving, I think they're at 68 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: plus forty two or whatever it was, and then you 69 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: know Brady gets sacked and he fumbles the football away. 70 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: You know, they were really good at taking away opportunities 71 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: with the pressure on the quarterback. Tuck had a couple 72 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: of sacks, Strayhan gets a sack, o Sie with the 73 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: fumble recovery. That team, you know, you played on some 74 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: great teams, some powerhouse teams loaded with Hall of famers. Conversely, 75 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: you know, you look at that Giants team, it was 76 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: really a sum of the parts when you think about 77 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: the guys that wound up playing roles for them. Obviously 78 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: everyone remembers Tyree, but whether it's a mod Bradshaw stealing 79 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: a ball away underneath a pile to keep a possession, 80 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: Kevin Boss, a rookie tight end, you know, with that 81 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: big play to start the fourth quarter. It was an 82 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: interesting team, the Giants, because it wasn't loaded with a 83 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: lot of household names. 84 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 4: No, it was and I mean the you talk about 85 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 4: straight Han and and Talk and you know, guys like that. 86 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously they they had great years and straight hands, 87 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 4: a Hall of Famer, and you know, I'm sure Eli will. 88 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: Be as well. 89 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 4: I think there there obviously were some really talented players. 90 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 4: But I've always felt and I think maybe I think 91 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 4: maybe it's a product of the way Tom Coughlin handled 92 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 4: things as a head coach. I just feel that during 93 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 4: his tenure and that year in particular, that the Giants 94 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 4: were you say that some of their parts, I just 95 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: feel like they were the They were the consonmate team 96 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 4: and and and teams are what wins championships, and the 97 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 4: Giants proved that. And I think that I think Tom 98 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 4: Coughlin's teams, by and large, each and every year, really 99 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,119 Speaker 4: reflected what it meant to be part of a team. 100 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 4: I think he preached that, I'm sure each and every day, 101 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 4: and and those Giants players, I feel were very unselfish. 102 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 4: I think back to the teams that I was a 103 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 4: part of that one championships, they're unselfish teams. The Giants 104 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 4: were unselfish during that year and then put it together 105 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 4: and it paid huge dividends for them once they got 106 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 4: into the biggest game of the season. But they represented 107 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 4: that and it was reflected I think throughout the season 108 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 4: and especially in the postseason. 109 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: I you know, I look back. 110 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 4: On that run for them, and I would put that 111 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 4: run and Eli's play during that postseason up against anyone's. 112 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 4: I just thought it was really magical what they were 113 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 4: able to do, and then to cap it off against 114 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 4: a team like the Patriots who were trying to make 115 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 4: history of their own. It was quite an accomplishment and 116 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 4: a tremendous way to end the year. 117 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's human nature when we're working an event. 118 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: You're working the event, you're focused on the event as 119 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: you're broadcasting it, but you also get caught up in 120 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: it a little bit as it starts to unfold. At 121 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: some point during this game, as you're looking at the 122 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: scoreboard and you see it's seven to three through three, 123 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: and then Tyree gets the touchdown Cats to start the fourth, 124 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: and suddenly the Giants are up ten to seven, you're 125 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of sitting there saying yourself, they may actually pull 126 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: this out. 127 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: No, you're right. 128 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 4: I mean, I think the fact that it was close 129 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 4: as late as it was, you start thinking, you know, 130 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 4: in the back of your mind, you're kind of waiting 131 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 4: for things to kick in and for the Patriots to 132 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 4: do what they had done throughout the year. And like 133 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 4: you said, the Giants were opportunistic. They just didn't allow 134 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 4: it to happen. And then as the game continue to 135 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 4: roll on and you start, you know, Joe and I 136 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 4: we go to commercial break and we're thinking, man, this, 137 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 4: they just might. 138 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: Do this, you know. 139 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 4: I mean, as crazy as that sounds, it looks like 140 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 4: they might be able to pull this off. 141 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 2: And then they were able to. 142 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 4: So that was you know, We've called a few Super Bowls, 143 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 4: and that one is the one that certainly stands out 144 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 4: for me amongst all the ones that I've called. 145 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: We continue our celebration of one hundred years of the 146 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,119 Speaker 1: New York Football Giants, and the Giants captured their first 147 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: Super Bowl in the nineteen eighty six season. And who 148 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: better to have on than the man who presented Wellington 149 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: Mara the Super Bowl Trophy for the first time you 150 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: are looking live. Brott Mussberger of CBS and then later 151 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: ABC joins us for this episode. Brent, thank you so 152 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: much for a couple of minutes today. 153 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: Uh. 154 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 5: You know, it's a pleasure to go back and talk 155 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 5: about some of the great moments in the history of 156 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 5: the NFL, and that. 157 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: One was so big I must tell you about. 158 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 5: I was disappointed in the performance of John Elway and 159 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 5: the Broncos, but on the other hand, the Giants that defense, 160 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 5: that defense was unbelievable. And then your quarterback Phil Simms 161 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 5: has the greatest day of his career, three touchdown passes, 162 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 5: no interceptions, on target all day long. It was a 163 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 5: It was a great, great performance and Sims so richly 164 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 5: deserved the MVP Award, Brent. 165 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: When you think about the NFL today on CBS till 166 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: this day, pregame shows are trying to find the magic 167 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: that you had with your group, and the NFC, after 168 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: so many dormant years in the seventies, became dominant in 169 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: the eighties. And that was the conference that CBS covered, 170 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, between the Giants and Niners in Washington and 171 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: all those great teams. It was an electric time at CBS, 172 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: wasn't it. 173 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: Oh it really was. 174 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 5: Hey, you overlooked by the Dallas Cowboys. 175 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: That's right, the Dallas Cowboys. But by the mid eighties 176 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: they were starting to fade a little. 177 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 5: Bit, Yeah they were. But of course it was a 178 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 5: Giant coach Landry who put the show on a road. 179 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 5: When you look back and you think about the history 180 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 5: of the Giants and you're doing it, and I think 181 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 5: about Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry coming from that coaching 182 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 5: staff and then they went on to have such great 183 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 5: success with Green Bay and Dallas. 184 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 2: What the Giant. 185 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 5: Met and they were part of this revival in the eighties. 186 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: You mentioned it. 187 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 5: We were extremely fortunate. First of all, I had great 188 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 5: people job working with me, Phyllis George obviously Dallas Cowboys 189 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 5: IRV Cross, who had played and who I knew at 190 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 5: Northwestern before we went to the National Football League. Then 191 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 5: we added Jimmy the Greek, and it was kind of 192 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 5: it was just kind of the mixture of personalities that worked. 193 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 5: But then along came the NFC revival. Okay, the Giants 194 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 5: were part of it. Let's not overlook what the Chicago 195 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,239 Speaker 5: Bears were doing. When you take New York and Chicago, 196 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 5: those two huge TV markets, and you have them winning 197 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 5: football and people looking forward to their games on Sunday, 198 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 5: it just meant so much more success for the NFL today. Okay, 199 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,119 Speaker 5: and the Rams got a member out in Los Angeles. 200 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 5: They were playing pretty well too, so I think we 201 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 5: were lucky as well as being good. 202 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: But certainly the. 203 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 5: Giants what coach Parcells meant to that team. I told 204 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 5: you when you called me on the phone about this, 205 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 5: I said, you know, there's one anecdote that I've never 206 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 5: spoken about about that game out at the Rose Bowl. 207 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: It was about I don't know. 208 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 5: Maybe five hours before we were to go on the air. 209 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 5: It was very early in the morning, LA time, and 210 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 5: I was going through the two locker rooms to see 211 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 5: whether the stage would be set up for the presentation 212 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 5: of the trophy. And when I went into the Giants 213 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 5: locker room, it was completely empty except for one person, 214 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 5: and sitting all alone on a player's bench in front 215 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 5: of a locker reading the program for the Super Bowl 216 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 5: was coach Bill Parcells. And of course we had covered 217 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 5: him so much. I went over and asked him, a coach, 218 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 5: anything I could do for you, a cup of coffee, 219 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 5: water or anything. 220 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: No, Brent, he was so nice. 221 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 5: He said, I can't sleep a night before games, he said, 222 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 5: so I just ad somebody take me out real early 223 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 5: getting ready for the game. And we talked about a 224 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 5: lot of things, you know, about the whole year in 225 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 5: general of his great defense, and he was so great, 226 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 5: like a lot of coaches, you get him right before 227 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 5: the game, and as Lombardi used to say, the Hayes 228 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 5: in the barn and so there's nothing more with preparation, 229 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 5: and they're quite willing to sit there and tell you 230 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 5: about what they think is going to happen. And that's 231 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 5: when Bill said he thought that his defense could handle 232 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 5: John Elway in that game and handle him. 233 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: They did. 234 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 5: They had a safety in that game, and it was 235 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,119 Speaker 5: just a great, great performance. 236 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 237 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: And earlier in that season and what was being dubbed 238 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: as a Super Bowl potential preview, the Giants beat the 239 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: Broncos at Giants Stadium. Then there was the NFC Championship 240 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: game seventeen to nothing over Washington and the wind is blowing. 241 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: And now you're in Pasadena, and you know, you've got 242 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: the dulcet tones of summer, Al and Madden, who really 243 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: were like a symphony for football at that point in time. 244 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: You had the perfect recipe at CBS. 245 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we really did. 246 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 5: You know, John and Pat made such a great team. 247 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: It was firsty. I haven't told many people, but. 248 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 5: Internally we actually had a vote as to who John 249 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 5: Madden was going. 250 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: To work with his first year. 251 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 5: He was very fortunate to have worked with Gary Bender, 252 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 5: who was a very generous play by play announcer and 253 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 5: really taught John Madden the ins and outs of broadcasting 254 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 5: and the monitors and the replays and everything. But remember 255 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 5: we also had Vince Scully as one of our play 256 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 5: by play guys. 257 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: People forget he was on the call of the catch. Yes, yes, 258 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: Dwight Clark. It was Vince Scully who did that game. 259 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 5: It was his last game with us, and I've always 260 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 5: thought Vinnie was a good friend. But he kept a 261 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 5: lot of things to himself, I've always thought. But when 262 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 5: we didn't put Madden with him and shows some are 263 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 5: all instead that, Vince said, that's it. 264 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 2: I'm leaving, you know, and so he went on his way. 265 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 5: And of course one of the greatest, if not the 266 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 5: greatest baseball announcer of all time. But the reason why 267 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 5: it worked better with Summer All honestly is that John 268 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 5: Madden could have more airtime to make it as simple 269 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 5: as possible. Then a very elaborate, very great with details, 270 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 5: but Pat was much more succinct, and so John had 271 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 5: more room during the broadcast, and it showed in that 272 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 5: Super Bowl and that dominant win by the Giants over 273 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 5: the Broncos. 274 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: The celebration of one hundred seasons continues for the New 275 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: York Giants, and you know, as we're doing during the 276 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: course of the season, we're looking back at some great 277 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: moments in Giants history with various broadcasters that called some 278 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: of the games and were joined by ESPN's Joe Buck, 279 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: who sent so many years at Fox and doing all 280 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: those NFC Championship games. And Joe, first of all, thank 281 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: you for joining us here on the show. 282 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, I need Bob's discount furniture right now. I'm 283 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 6: in a hotel room. The video looks terrible. Maybe they 284 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 6: could give me a lamp to go on the other 285 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 6: side of my face so it don't look like I'm 286 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 6: in a floodlight right here to my left. But all 287 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 6: that being said, it's great to see you. I can 288 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 6: tell you've been either at camp or you have been 289 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 6: doing the golf tour because you look radiant. Your skin 290 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 6: color is absolutely gorgeous. I'm pale as could be and 291 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 6: it's the summer. 292 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: No makeup is necessary when you work. 293 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I mean you're glowing. 294 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 3: You're glowing on that Joe. 295 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: I want to take you to a time when there 296 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: was not a lot of sun out because you were 297 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: on the call for the two thousand and seven NFC 298 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: Championship game at lambeau Field, the Giants against the Packers. 299 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: We knew it was going to be cold, but when 300 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: you finally got to the sta Could you believe how 301 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: cold it actually was? 302 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 6: It's a great question. No, yeah, you can't describe it. 303 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 6: And you don't want to be the one. You never 304 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 6: want to be the one complaining. 305 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 2: About the weather. But it was part of the story. 306 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 6: And I remember when I was going to Louisville to 307 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 6: begin my broadcasting career and I was in the car 308 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 6: with my dad and he said, I want to tell 309 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 6: you a couple of things. One of the things was, 310 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 6: nobody cares if the announcer is cold. Nobody cares if 311 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 6: the announcer is hot, Nobody cares if the announcer played 312 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 6: golf that day. The fans are there to listen to 313 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 6: the game and they want to hear about their team, 314 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 6: and in this case, you know you have a massive 315 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 6: audience on this freezing day. 316 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: Green Baby. 317 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 6: Irony of it was my dad did the Ice Bowl, 318 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 6: and he did it with Ray Scott. And so when 319 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 6: you go back and you look at the highlights and 320 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 6: Ray Scott's like, well what do you think, Jack, And 321 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 6: my Dad's like, oh, I think it's cold, Ray. And 322 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 6: so there he is breaking his own rule. And so 323 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 6: you didn't want to complain about the cold as the announcer. 324 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 6: But you're right, I mean going down to the field. 325 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 6: I remember standing up there with Troy and he and 326 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 6: I going, we gotta go down to the field because 327 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 6: you got to just see what the footing's like, and 328 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 6: you got to get a sense of if you know, 329 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 6: it's that much colder down on the field. We went 330 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 6: down there. It was like the Griswolds at the Grand Canyon. 331 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 6: We went down on the field. It was like, okay, 332 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 6: let's go back up. It was freezing, and I just did. 333 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 6: I had never experienced cold like that. As you know, 334 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 6: your fingers don't really work right. You're trying to write 335 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 6: with a pen and the ink's not coming out. It 336 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 6: was just it was a great night for football. I'm 337 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 6: glad I could say I was there. 338 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you think about you know, the offensive linemen 339 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: usually come out in short sleeves and the whole macho thing, 340 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: and you know, I know, the Giants players came out 341 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: for their normal kind of in shorts, running around, loosening up. 342 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: Most of the guys went right back in. They're like, 343 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: the heck with this, Like this is brutal, this is 344 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: not the time to act like the tough guy. 345 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: No, But I do. 346 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 6: Think if my memory is right, Plexico came out with 347 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 6: at least short sleeves pre game when we were down there, 348 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 6: and I just remember looking at Troy, and Troy was like, 349 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 6: my god, I don't know how anybody could be standing 350 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 6: down here with short sleeves on. But you know, they're 351 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 6: running around and the juices are flowing and what have you. 352 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 6: But it was, uh, it's a night I'll never forget. 353 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 6: And it was a It was an incredible game and 354 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 6: worthy of kind of the aura and mystique of lambeau 355 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 6: Field on a you know, negative temperature night. 356 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because going into the game, Eli 357 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: obviously having played his college ball at Old miss you know, 358 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: and although Farv was from Mississippi, you know, having played 359 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: in so many important games in that cold weather, everyone 360 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: thought that it might favor Farv and Eli Manning had 361 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: one of his greatest games ever two hundred and fifty 362 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: one yards. Plexico had eleven catches for a buck fifty one. 363 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: They were kind of throwing it around as if it 364 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: wasn't minus twenty three below. 365 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 6: I agree, it was stunning. It was stunning to watch. 366 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 6: It was I felt like, you know, just on the 367 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 6: first glance, Green Bay was more affected by the cold 368 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 6: and farv was than the Giants, where in Eli was. 369 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, it was a remarkable. 370 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 6: Game in what was basically a perfect postseason for Eli Manning. 371 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's easy to. 372 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 6: Forget yet you know the two thousand and four draft, 373 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 6: and then you know the taking over for Kurt Warner 374 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 6: and everything that happened in the beginning of his career. 375 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 6: But now he went to a different level in that postseason. 376 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 6: I mean, you know it better than I. You know 377 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 6: the stats better than I, but I just remember seeing 378 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 6: kind of fits and starts of his early part of 379 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 6: his career, and then that postseason he just hit it 380 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 6: and went to a different Eli than I think any 381 00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 6: of us had ever seen. 382 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: Did you get a sense the Packers were the number 383 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: one seed the Giants or the number two seed or 384 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: the number one seed? Yeah, the Giants had beaten the 385 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: Cowboys the week before in Dallas. But when Brandon Jacobs 386 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: knocks the logo off of Charles Woodson's helmet, did you 387 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: kind of get a sense in the booth that man, 388 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: these guys came to play in are not intimidated at all. 389 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: Despite the fact that the Packers had routed them earlier 390 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: that season in MetLife Stadium or Giants Stadium at the time. 391 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 2: I think that delivered a message. 392 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 3: I do. 393 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 6: I think that was symbolic of the way that team 394 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 6: came in there, that Giants tea team came in there 395 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 6: ready to go. And I think that reflects on Tom Coughlin. 396 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 6: You know, I think history at least for Troy and me, 397 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 6: and I know I think you did this with Troy, 398 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 6: but he would tell you that of all the guys 399 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 6: he would think would be tight liped when we would 400 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 6: sit down with a head coach prior to a game 401 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 6: and not reveal anything, Belichick absolutely didn't say anything. 402 00:19:59,040 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: Tom Coughlin was. 403 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 6: Great and gave you everything you needed to know. I 404 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 6: think trusted us, probably because of Troy and his integrity, 405 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 6: but he was wide open and I felt like I 406 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 6: walked out of our meeting with Tom knowing that Tom 407 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 6: thought his team was ready to go, and to me, 408 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 6: if that's the case, then I thought they would play well. 409 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 6: I didn't know that they would be ready for that 410 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 6: kind of a fistfight, in that kind of cold I 411 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 6: think it says everything you need to know, and probably 412 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 6: as we talk about it this way thinking about what 413 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 6: was to come in the Super Bowl. It shouldn't have 414 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 6: been so surprising, and they probably shouldn't have been such 415 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 6: a big underdog going into that Super Bowl. For having 416 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 6: gone through Green Bay, that team had to feel like 417 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 6: behind closed doors they were a team of destiny. 418 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: As we continue celebrating one hundreds of seasons of Giants football, 419 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: who better to have on than the man who was 420 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: arguably the greatest NFL played by playman on TV, Al Michaels, 421 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: who called superuper Bowl twenty five as well as Super 422 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: Bowl forty six. We're going to focus on twenty five 423 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: a little bit. Al, thanks for a couple of minutes 424 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: for joining us here on this celebration of one hundred seasons. 425 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 7: You know my pleasure, Bob, because you know a lot 426 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 7: of fan bases aren't too excited with me. Certainly the 427 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 7: Buffalo Bills fan base no good wide right, But with 428 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 7: the Giants, I'm two and zero perfect. 429 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: Well, let's go back to Super Bowl twenty five because 430 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we've become a little bit desensitized by 431 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: world conflict, but you know, the United States was in 432 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: a world conflict and just getting into that Tampa stadium 433 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: and the security around the stadium. It was kind of 434 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: a surreal experience and something that we weren't really accustomed. 435 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 3: To first time. 436 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 7: I can remember driving up to a stadium and you 437 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 7: had concrete barriers surrounding the stadium, so you had security 438 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 7: of a on a different level at that particular point. 439 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 7: One of the things that we weren't able to do 440 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 7: at ABC is fly a limp or a helicopter above 441 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 7: the stadium for the aerial shots. So what we had 442 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 7: to do is I think they found a hotel about 443 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 7: a half mile away with a you know, a great 444 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 7: lens and put it up on the roof and shot 445 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 7: Tampa Stadium from that angle. 446 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 3: And that was that. 447 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 7: And then the night before the game, Dennis Swanson, who 448 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 7: was the president of ABC Sports, called Dan Dieroff and 449 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 7: Frank Gifford, with whom I called the game into a 450 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 7: meeting with a local swat team, And they came into 451 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 7: the meeting and told us what we should do if 452 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 7: we were held hostage in the booth. Now I'm sitting 453 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 7: there and I'm thinking, really, you know, I mean, the 454 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 7: terrorists are going to come into the broadcast booth and 455 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 7: kidnap us and hold us hostage, and they made it 456 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 7: seem very scary. And I walked out of the meeting 457 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 7: and I looked at ian Dan Dierdorf was looking at 458 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 7: me and he goes, wow, you know this is this 459 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 7: is really something. And I walked out with Frank alone 460 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 7: and I said, Frank, you do know what this is 461 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 7: a bunch of guys want to get into the game 462 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 7: for free with a good vantage point. 463 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: And Frank shared one hundred percent. So that's so many. 464 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 7: Of my memories of that game, Bob deal with, you know, 465 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 7: the things that took place around the game. And it 466 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 7: was also if you recall a very it was a murky, 467 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 7: cloudy day. I don't think the sun ever came out 468 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 7: that day, and it kind of befit the mood of 469 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 7: the country at that point because we had invaded a 470 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 7: Rock trying to you know, free up Kuwaid whom a 471 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 7: Rock had invaded. So we were only about ten or 472 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 7: twelve days into into this war. Scenenn had blanket coverage 473 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 7: all the networks and here in fact, our pregame show 474 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 7: are a halftime show. 475 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: In fact, we didn't cover the entertainment. 476 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 7: We wound up going to Peter Jennings in New York 477 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 7: for a thirty minute report or whatever length. 478 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 3: Of time it was. 479 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 7: But one of my other memories about this game, I 480 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 7: mean so many, as I say, before the game, around 481 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 7: the game. So of course Phil Simms had gotten hurt 482 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 7: late in the season, Jeff Hostetler had taken over as 483 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 7: the quarterback would lead the Giants to the Promised Land. 484 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 7: And I'm down on the field about two hours before 485 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 7: the game, just walking around talking to some of the guys, 486 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 7: and I'm talking to Simms, and Phil is standing there 487 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 7: on the sideline, and then parcelswork by and Bill acknowledged me, 488 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 7: how are you didn't acknowledge Simms at all? And I 489 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 7: looked at Phil and I said nice, and Phil said, 490 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 7: if you're not playing, you might as. 491 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 3: Well be dead. 492 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 7: And as I say, the sidebar stories to that game 493 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 7: will live for with me. 494 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,959 Speaker 1: Now, because you were calling Monday Night Football during that stretch. Obviously, 495 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: the Giants got a really strong football team, so you 496 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: had a familiarity with Parcels and with this team. You know, 497 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: this matchup, with this k gun offense and the Bills 498 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: having scored a billion points in the AFC Championship game, 499 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: did you think that the Giants had a legitimate shot 500 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: to win going into the game. 501 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 7: Well, the Bills beat a team in the Oakland Raiders 502 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 7: at that point of the Los Angeles Raiders, I think 503 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 7: fifty one to three. So I kind of threw that 504 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 7: off to the side. Not necessarily indicative of the strength 505 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 7: versus the Giants in this particular game, but I will 506 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 7: tell you this. So, and I think Wednesday or Thursday 507 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 7: before the game, it's time for our production meeting with 508 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 7: Bill Parcells. And I got along for the most part, 509 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 7: great with Bill. But Bill wanted us to be in 510 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 7: his office at six point thirty in the morning at 511 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 7: the facility, and that's the only time he could meet 512 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 7: with us. So nothing like getting up, you know with 513 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 7: my West Coast body at you know whatever. It was 514 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 7: five forty five, go down there. And the one thing 515 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 7: that Bill emphasized over and over and over was to 516 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 7: control the ball, win the time of possession. Clearly that 517 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 7: was the that was the mo and clearly that was 518 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 7: probably the most important factor in that game. Used the 519 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 7: Giants control the ball for over forty minutes, which left 520 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 7: Kelly and Company and Thurman Thomas and Andre Reid with 521 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 7: less than twenty minutes of possession time. So when you 522 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 7: look at it at the end of the day, that's 523 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 7: exactly what Bill said. He emphasized it over and over 524 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 7: in that meeting, and that's what happened. 525 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: It's interesting they go on that drive at the end 526 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: of the half, Stephen Baker catches the touchdown, Giants get 527 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: the ball to start the third quarter, and they go 528 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: on this epic drive in the third quarter, and the 529 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: people forget that mark Ingram's play. Wi turns out to 530 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: be a huge factor because the Giants wind up chewing 531 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: off more clock in that drive in the third quarter 532 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: and eventually score a touchdown. If he doesn't convert that 533 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: third down play, it's a field goal, and there's a 534 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: lot more time on the clock for Buffalo in the game. 535 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: It's one of these great effort plays that kind of 536 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: signified what a Parcels team was all about. 537 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 3: I remember that play very vividly. 538 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 7: I also remember this is the day before technologically we 539 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 7: could do the first down line, so you didn't know 540 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 7: if he could. So I'm looking at it and I'm 541 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 7: calling it, and i can see the stick on the 542 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,239 Speaker 7: other side, and I said, he's got it, you know, 543 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 7: And then it's one of those moments where you go, oh, 544 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 7: if they move the ball back a couple of dimensions, 545 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 7: I've blown that cold. But I remember that played perfectly. 546 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,239 Speaker 7: He reached out, you know, got it, buy whatever. It 547 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 7: was a couple of diventions, and you're right, that sustained 548 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 7: what turned out to me. I think about about a 549 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 7: nine and a half minute drive. 550 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, a drive for the ages. Now Buffalo finally decides 551 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: at some point in this game to start running it 552 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: because at points in the game the Giants had one 553 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: down defensive lineman and then I think it was Everson 554 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: Walls makes the tackle on Thurman Thomas that forced the 555 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: field goal of Norwoods to be the length that it was. 556 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: But you know that whole game and it felt like 557 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: it was margins of inches that decided a lot of. 558 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 3: Things, no question. 559 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 7: So now you know you're setting up the Norwood field 560 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 7: goal attempt grass field forty seven yards. 561 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: You know, the air is a little heavier than it. 562 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 7: Might normally be on the sunny day, and the great 563 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 7: Steve Hurt, who was our top research man and still 564 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 7: works with me on on Thursday Night Football to this day, 565 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 7: Steve put up a graphic Norwood Lifetime one four five 566 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 7: from forty plus on grass fields had the distance, but 567 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 7: not the accuracy. Yeah, And of course you know, when 568 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 7: I'm calling that play, I'm not going to embellish it. 569 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 7: I mean it's it's a real simple call, no good 570 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 7: wide right period. 571 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 3: Let it go. Let the pictures tell the story. 572 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 7: And of course you know they want to kill me 573 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 7: in Buffalo every time they see me. 574 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 3: I didn't kick it. What can I tell you