1 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls podcast, a weekly 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: decisions we can make to become the best possible versions 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy hard and Bradford, 5 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: to find a therapist in your area, visit our website 7 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: at Therapy for Black Girls dot com. While I hope 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: you love listening to and learning from the podcast, it 9 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: is not meant to be a substitute for a relationship 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: with a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so 11 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: much for joining me for a special bonus episode of 12 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: Therapy for of Black Girls. We'll get into our conversation 13 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: right after a word from our sponsors. Before we get 14 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: into it, please note that this episode does include spoilers 15 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: for the new Peacock series The Best Man final chapters, 16 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: so if you haven't had the opportunity to watch, please 17 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: put this episode on pause and return once you've had 18 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: your time to enjoy the series. Since its theatrical premiere, 19 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: the Best Man franchise has been a beloved staple within 20 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: our community. It was the talk of the town once 21 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: again when the sequel, The Best Man Holiday, debuted in 22 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: t and now twenty four years later, under the direction 23 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: of Malcolm D. Lee and featuring the original acclaimed cast 24 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: a k a. The Justice League of Black Hollywood. The 25 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: Best Man Final Chapters has once again ignited our conversations 26 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: on what it means to be in community with friends 27 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: and family, the kind of into personal relationships that know 28 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: you well enough to tell you all about yourself, and 29 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: whole space for you when you've lost who you are. 30 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: To discuss The Best Main Final Chapters in depth this week, 31 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm in conversation with my beloved TVG team members, content 32 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: director Cameron Taylor and content specialist Gorgeous West. In our conversation, 33 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: we explore how the limited series met and missed our expectations, 34 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: which character dynamics we were most enthralled by and disappointed in, 35 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: and how we feel knowing that these are our final 36 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: moments with Quentin Shelby, Harper, Robin Merch, Candice Lance in Jordan's. 37 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: If something resonates with you while enjoying our conversation, please 38 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: share with us on social media using the hashtag tv 39 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: G in Session, or you can come on over and 40 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: join us in the sister circles. To talk more in 41 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: depth about the episode, you can join us at community 42 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: that Therapy for Black Girls dot com. Here's our conversation. So, 43 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be joined by two new members 44 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: of our team today. So Gorgeous West and Cameron Taylor 45 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: are joining me today to talk about one of our 46 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: new favorites, The Best Man Final Chapter. So, Cameron and Gorgeous, 47 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: do you want to share who you are and what 48 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: you do here Therapy for Black Girls. Yes. So my 49 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: name is Cameron Taylor, as you mentioned, and I am 50 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: the content director for Therapy for Black Girls. My name 51 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: is Gorgeous West, and I'm a confidence specialist or Therapy 52 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: for Black Girls. Very excited to have both of you 53 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: joining us. So I think, like many people, you both 54 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: were spending some of your holiday break binging the Best 55 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: Man Final chapters. So I do want to get started 56 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: by just talking. So I love that we are also 57 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: at different points in our own lives because I think 58 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: that lends a bit of diversity to how we are 59 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: entering into the Best Man universe. Right, So tell me 60 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: how were you introduced to the very first The Best Man. 61 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: So that came out originally in n So where were 62 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: you in your life? Did you Were you even watching 63 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: The Best Man in nineteen ninety nine? Probably not, I 64 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: think for me, Dr Joy, I was young at the time, 65 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: so I was one of those kids by default that 66 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: had to go with their mom and sister so the 67 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: movie theater to watch the film, and then whenever the 68 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: scenes were inappropriate, that's when they covered my eyes. But 69 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: that's when I was first introduced to The Best Man, 70 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: the whole series and platform. And when did you watch 71 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: it again, like as an adult, like when you understood 72 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: what was happening. I was in college. I watched it 73 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: in in college and what about you, Cameron? Yeah, So 74 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: I actually can't even remember when it was like introduced 75 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: to me. I think I just always knew of it 76 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: as like a classic and obviously like my parents were like, 77 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: there are a few like movies that you must have 78 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: under your belt, and The Best Man was of course 79 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: one of them. So it's just always been in my life, 80 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: in our family's lives for years. Got it and I 81 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: was in college, so I was a junior in college, 82 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: so I saw it in real time, and so I 83 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: definitely feel like I have grown up with the character 84 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: as you know, it definitely felt good to see we 85 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: had the first one of course in ninety nine, and 86 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: then the holiday in and then we were reintroduced to 87 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: the characters all grown up and in really into their 88 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: lives with the Best Man Final Chapters. So tell me 89 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: about your experience of watching The Best Man Final Chapter. So, first, 90 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: what was your reaction to even finding out that we 91 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: were getting the final chapters as a special or limited 92 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: run series on Peacock. I'm not even gonna lie. I 93 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: was a little curious. It's like how they were going 94 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: to do this, Like The Best Man to me just 95 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: stands alone like the original movie, and I was like, 96 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna do a whole series? What is this gonna 97 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: even look like? So after watching it, I was like, ah, like, 98 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: I see there's a lot of character development, which was very, 99 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: very very pleasant to see that they did all of 100 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: the characters justice. I think for me Dr Jordan, I 101 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: was hesitsying. So I'm one of those people if it 102 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: ain't broke, don't fix it. So I was like, are 103 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: they really about to do this? Are they going to 104 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: do it correctly? To it? It doesn't feel fresh. I 105 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: had a lot of questions going into it. Because it's 106 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: one of those sayings the best way is a classic 107 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: within itself, so it's like, if you mess it up, 108 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: then it's like this to mess up the whole, like 109 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: nostalgic assett of it for me, and so I was like, Okay, 110 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it a shot, and that's what I did. 111 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: So once I watched it, I was like, Okay, if 112 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: they hit that, I was very impressed. Yeah, I think 113 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: like both of you, I was also a little apprehensive, 114 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: but I think also just more excited to see, Okay, 115 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: where are we going to be with these character storylines 116 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: like this many years later and what is going to 117 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: be the progression of the stories since we first saw 118 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: them in n I was also particularly i think encouraged 119 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: because like the original showrunners and like the executive producer 120 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: was still involved, right, So I think it would have 121 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: been a little bit more concerning to me if either 122 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: like the people who were writing the storylines weren't the 123 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: same are if they had changed any of the characters, right, So, 124 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: if we had not seen some of the characters who 125 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: were in that original film, I think it would have 126 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: felt a little bit more like I don't know, but 127 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: I definitely was very excited, and I also think that 128 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: they did it justice. So tell me any storylines, any 129 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: particular characters that you felt very strongly about. Either you 130 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: were very pleased with the story or you were like, 131 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: they didn't do this person justice. Any people stand out 132 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: for you, Yes, I was in a positive way, Like 133 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: in a positive light. I was really pleased with the 134 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: way that they developed Quentin and Shelby. At first, I 135 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: thought like, these are kind of like superficial characters, got 136 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: the player. Then you have Shelby, who's like very again, 137 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: like I said, superficial, But the depth that they went 138 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: into their character development throughout the series was like probably 139 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: the biggest surprise, like learning so much about them and 140 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: then all are just seeing like Terrence Howard, like his 141 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: acting chops. I mean, obviously we've always known that he's 142 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: a great actor, but seeing him in this role was 143 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: like really truly amazing to me. So those two definitely 144 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: stand out in like a positive way. Yeah, And I 145 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: would agree with you, Like I was not really a 146 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: fan of Shelby like coming into this right because I 147 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: think she was more of a like Outskirts kind of character, 148 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: and I was not expecting to really enjoy her as 149 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: much as I did, But I did really love where 150 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: they went with that storyline. I though I was confused 151 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: about why Nicole Ari Parker's character was introduced anyway, right, 152 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: because it felt like we only had her for a 153 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: very short time before they put Quentin and Shelby together, 154 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: and so I'm guessing that was maybe a part of like, Okay, 155 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: this is how we get introduced to Lance's eventual nubu, right, 156 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: But it did feel like a little confusing to me, 157 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: like why we introduced Nicole Are Parker's character in the 158 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: first place when she really wasn't a part of the 159 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: story for very long. I think Nicolari Parker her role 160 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: is there just so that we could see that back 161 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: and forth at the resort between Nicolari Parker and Shelby, 162 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: like when she's talking about her being with her man 163 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: and it's just like very in your face, Like for me, 164 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: that was just like such a pivotal scene and also 165 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: a scene where I started to see like Shelby's maturity was, 166 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: like when Nicolary Parker was about to leave. I think 167 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: that one of the last episodes where we see Shelby 168 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: is looking at Cholary Parker and She's like, you know, 169 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: if you hurt him, it's gonna be over for you. 170 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: And that's what really kind of like settled. And I'm like, okay, 171 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: so there's gonna be some depth to Shelby this go around. 172 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: I think for me, I felt like that was a 173 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: representation of her and day, like how relationships and couples 174 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: when people get with new people and you're like, well, 175 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: wait a minute, I remember you being like this back 176 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: in the day. You've been with this parson and now 177 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: you didn't switched up, and so you remember in the series, 178 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: but Harper, everybody was like, quin is not the same, 179 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: He's not the same, and they were trying to contribute 180 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: that to his relationship with her, And in that sense, 181 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: that switch up, of that shifting him kind of made 182 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: his friends kind of question who he was currently because 183 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: he was doing things differently. He was like this whole 184 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: new holistic person with his new energy, and they were 185 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: all contributing that to that relationship. So I felt like 186 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: that was like a representation of current day. How sometimes 187 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: when your friends and people you know they have known 188 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: for a long time, when they get into new relationships, 189 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: they change and they shifted and the person he wants 190 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: to know them to be might not be that same 191 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: person anymore. You bring up an interesting point. They're good 192 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: just and I wonder if we can talk a little 193 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: bit about like how that might play out in the 194 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: real world, right, because you know, I think for most 195 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: of it, we saw them continuing to be supported, right, 196 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: so it very much felt like they had concerns about, like, Okay, 197 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: who is this new person Quentin is with, but they 198 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: were like, Okay, well, if he's happy, we're gonna go 199 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: along with it. Right. But in the real world, if 200 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: you have a friend who you know is engaged, or 201 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: you know, in a long term relationship with somebody who 202 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: you are looking at a little questionable, how might you 203 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: handle that. I want to say that I would be 204 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: as supportive as all of the other people were, and 205 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: I think some elements of support would be there, But 206 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: I do think that there would be an element of 207 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: me that, you know, just very direct with that friend, 208 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: kind of like, I don't know how I feel about this, 209 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: And especially if I found that it was impacting their 210 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: character in some way, impacting the human that they are 211 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: and the person that I'm friends with, then I think 212 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: I could see it going a little different. I think, 213 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: Dr George, that's something you would have to tread very 214 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: lightly because you can be considered the hater, right, the 215 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: hater friend if you frank that friend, what are you on? Like? 216 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: You man, who I know you to be? But then 217 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: it's like you have to let people grow and elevated, right, 218 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: So it's like who I know you to be, you 219 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: could have grown to this new version of itself, So 220 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: I have to be open to that. But I also 221 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: agree with your camera Mike addressing it or you know, 222 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: having a conversation about it but being very tactful and 223 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: how you do it. And it really feels like that's 224 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: the role Harper head from most of it, right, Like 225 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: I think he was the one who was most skeptical 226 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: of who Quentin had become in this new relationship. But 227 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: he also was the one who like drove the getaway 228 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: called when he was like, Okay, do you want to 229 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: go to the airport to make sure she's getting on 230 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: the plane? Right, So it's like, Okay, I'm gonna be 231 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: open to this, but I'm also gonna give you an out, 232 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, if at any moment you decide that you're 233 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: ready to roll, Okay, so let us talk about Merch 234 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: and Candice, who we see now they have a whole family, 235 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: They're settled into their family life. Candice, it sounds like 236 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: after the wedding experience has opened up this whole new 237 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: interest into it sounds like more traditional healing and like 238 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: alternative medicine kinds of thing. So we see her going 239 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: back to school, and we do see it to me, 240 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: feels like a little bit of like an identity crisis 241 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: kind of situation with Merch. So to share any thoughts 242 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: that you have about Candice and Merching what we saw 243 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: of them throughout the series, I'm so glad that you 244 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: brought that back to Joy because that was one of 245 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: the notes that I mentioned. Innocence of that shift, especially 246 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: with Candice. In the very first Best Man, she was 247 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: the dancer for the bachelor party, and so to see 248 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: her character evolved to now being a wife, a mother, 249 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: a scholar, you know, pursuing her education and then you know, 250 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: working with the schools and then with the children, it 251 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: was a huge shift as to who you first saw 252 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: her as to the woman you know she has become. 253 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: And then also from Merch in the sence of like him, 254 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: his development of character is becoming more of like okay, yea, 255 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna keep playing me like this whimp or 256 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: this soft person. He definitely you can see him not 257 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: wanting experience to hold him back as the version of 258 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: himself he once was in you know, really invites me 259 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: is now. So I think there's a couple they both 260 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: representing kind of like they change, or like the world 261 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: development change from who we find solid ads who we 262 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: now see them as you know in this scenario Assement. 263 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: I love how deep they went with Merch's character just 264 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: in terms of that shift, and like you see the 265 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: way that that old identity and the way that his 266 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: friends have been treating him, the way that society is 267 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: treating him, the way that just culturally our world treats 268 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: black men. Like I love the way that they investigated 269 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: that and really did show how much it was deeply 270 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: affecting him, like in that scene where he's going through 271 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: all of the different ways that he would approach the 272 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: white woman when he finds her having lunch with her friends. 273 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: Like we were able to see that side of Merch, 274 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: but I think all of us could kind of identify 275 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: with a little bit of what he was going through, 276 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: Like all of the different things that you would say 277 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: to somebody who made you feel a type of way. 278 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: And then also we're able to see like how that 279 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: impacted like the relationship with his kids as well, again 280 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: like as a black man, like how do you as 281 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: a father, as a parent, all of these things, like 282 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: how are you showing up for your kids knowing that 283 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: there is this like hierarchy in society. I thought that 284 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: was really awesome and I'm proud of them for kind 285 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: of like delving into that. And I think related to 286 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: the identity piece, you know, it feels like it started 287 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: when he was not chosen to be Quentin's best man, right, 288 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: So there was something very much wrapped into who he 289 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: thought he was in the circle that I think we 290 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: then saw play out in other areas of his life, right, 291 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: And so I think it showed up there. But then 292 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: it also showed up when Candice was going back to 293 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: school and he became more of the like stay at 294 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: home dad in a lot of ways, right, And so 295 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: then started doing you may may fighting, I guess is 296 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: what it would be captured as an outlet, right in 297 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: kind of to to have something for himself. What did 298 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: you all make of him? Struggling so much with not 299 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: being chosen to be Quentin's best man. I think for me, 300 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: it was one thing that he tried to downplay, right, 301 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: So he was trying to make it not be such 302 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: a big deal, but it really was a big deal 303 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: to him. And I think essentially in friend groups and 304 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: frank circles, you want to be that chosen one. You 305 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: want to feel like you have that level of important 306 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: as significance in your friends lives, and so to not 307 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: be chosen, I think that might have felt like a 308 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: blow for him, essentially based on the history with Harper 309 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: being the previous best man and what his past, you know, 310 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: doing his murder in the first film, so feeling like, well, Dann, 311 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: how do you get it again? You know what about me? Right, 312 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: and not to mention he wasn't that successful of the 313 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: best man given all the history that Harper had, right, 314 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: So I can imagine Merche being like, what in the world, like, 315 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: why would he get chosen again? And ultimately we do 316 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: see that he is eventually given a title, but it 317 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: definitely seemed like something he was struggling with, you know, 318 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: at least in the beginning that we saw come out 319 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: later in the film as well. Yeah, like I think 320 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: I mean back into like unpacking merchant identity. I feel 321 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: like there's a part of him that just needed to 322 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: feel needed, not just in his friend group and then 323 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: in his family as well, and like when he's not 324 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: needed or that role shifts in any way, like you 325 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: can just see the spiral just sort of take place. 326 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: And again, I think that's something that like like just 327 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: applying to that practically to anyone's life, Like you can 328 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: struggle with I'm not needed in this way? What does 329 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: that mean for me as a person? And that could 330 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: be very scary to like actually confront with yourself. Yeah, 331 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: And I think in some ways Candice was having some 332 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: of that same like internal conversation, right, Like it definitely 333 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: felt like when she stumbled upon this alternative medicine on 334 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: the wedding trip, it feels like it was something that 335 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 1: she felt like a whole finally, like I have this 336 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: thing that like is really speaking to me, Like I 337 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: found the thing that really lights me up. And so 338 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: we didn't see very many conversations between the two of 339 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 1: them about you're going to go pursue this while I 340 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: kind of take a step back, But I would imagine 341 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: those were some interesting conversations, right, you know, to kind 342 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: of say she's gonna go full force into being back 343 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: in school as opposed to being more the primary parent 344 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: and doing more of the day to day kind of 345 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: child rearing responsibilities. So the other thing that I think 346 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: we see a lot, I think from the beginning, so 347 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: when Lance was first introduced to us, in the final chapters, 348 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: we see that he is continuing to struggle with significant grief, right, 349 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: And I think that this is one of the things 350 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: that the show did really well was to talk about 351 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: and to really display like how grief can look lots 352 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: of different ways. And so from the movie to this series, 353 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: it looks like it has been about two years since 354 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: me Is death, so we see that he is still 355 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: reeling from the loss of Mia and who she was 356 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: as his partner as well as his children's mom. So gorgeous. 357 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: I definitely want to hear your thoughts about what grief 358 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: looked like throughout the series, especially related to Lance's character. Yes, 359 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: initially you could tell challenge of the struggle, of course 360 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: the lots of me and was impactful for the whole 361 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: collective of the group, but you know, especially for him 362 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: because I was his partner and like you said, his wife, 363 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: someone that he enventtionedly living life with, and now he 364 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: has to show up amongst his friend group as a 365 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: solo and he doesn't have that partner, and that alone 366 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: to be you know, challenging hints. When they were talking 367 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: about going to Quentin's wedding, he was kind of like, well, 368 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: and anyone who talk to lands like is he going? 369 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: It was kind of up in the air because it 370 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: was like, we all come together, but he's gonna have 371 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: to come alone. What does that mean? What does that 372 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: look like? And in that sense, it's like adapting to 373 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: this now new normal. And I think there might have 374 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: been a lot for him initially and going to the island, 375 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: it was a lot for them to process his his 376 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: excursions and extracurricular activities. But that was his way of copy. 377 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: That was his way of navigating and processing through his 378 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: feelings of grief from wanting to have some type of 379 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: attachment or connection with someone because he has a bad 380 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: that I think it reminded me of one of my favorites, 381 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: Cranes in the Sky, where he was trying to sex 382 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: it away. So you know, I think, to expand on 383 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: your point, I don't even know that he was necessarily 384 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: craving attachment. I think he just wanted to try to 385 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: feel anything right like it. It felt like he was 386 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: very much in a denial. I don't really want to 387 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: deal with the fact that she's not here, and so 388 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw myself into all of these, you know, 389 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: different sexual relationships just to try to feel something or 390 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: two really kind of numb the pain that I'm feeling 391 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: from her laws. You bring up a good point because 392 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: I imagine that this probably was the first big friend 393 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: group thing that they had all done, probably since me 394 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: it had passed, and so the idea that now they 395 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: are all even gathering for this big you know, women's 396 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: occasion without somebody who was so incredibly important in their circle. 397 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: So what did they mean for all of them? But 398 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: also in particular, what did you mean for land? Who 399 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: are your thoughts, Cameron? I'm happy, he asked, Like I 400 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: looked at that part of the series, and I was like, 401 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: I totally understand grief, or I can understand like wanting 402 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: to feel something, But then there was just like a 403 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 1: subtle part of me that was a little like disappointed 404 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: or like a little like okay, well, why does he 405 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: have to grieve in such a way that a little 406 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: bit of objectifying, not even a little like a lot 407 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: of bit like especially when like Merch and I think 408 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: it was Merching Harper, like walking on him in the 409 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: hotel room. He's got like three different ladies, two different 410 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, jeez, like back to back to 411 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: back to back to back. When you juxtapose like Mia 412 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: and who she meant, what she meant to him to 413 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: that depiction, it's a little cringing. So I will say 414 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: I cringed at that part. I mean again, you know, 415 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: gorgeous your explanation of it. You know, it makes sense. 416 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: I can understand and I can sympathize with it. And 417 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: I think like essentially, grief was a lot they played 418 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: a lot until his role just within the series, even 419 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: in connection to his son LJ. There was grief experience 420 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: and that relationship dynamic to in regards to who he 421 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: wanted his son to be, that identity of one in 422 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: the past and like the legacy of football and you know, 423 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: him following his father his footsteps and then that not 424 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: being the case. So it was like he was getting 425 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: hit with grief in different ways. So I think we 426 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: should then switch gears to talk about that storyline. Right. 427 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: I definitely wasn't expecting that, but I am glad that 428 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: they included it because I do think it is I 429 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: think the way that they included it is a typical 430 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: what you would see in a black friend group, like 431 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 1: of the most up different kinds of reactions. Right. So, 432 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: we saw Jordan's being like the cool antoe, like I 433 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: got your back if you need me to sit down 434 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: and help you talk to your dad about this guy 435 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: got you, Quentin trying to figure it out, but but 436 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: mostly being very affirming, right, And it felt again like 437 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: I think, an accurate depiction, and also like his dad 438 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: not necessarily being on board in the beginning but eventually 439 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: kind of coming around. What thoughts did you all have 440 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: about the including of that storyline and how it was portrayed. 441 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: I personally thought that they did it really well. And 442 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: I'll say the reason why is because I was watching 443 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: this with like my parents, and we both were exposed 444 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: to the Best Man Like franchise different times, you know, 445 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: and obviously we represent different generations as well. But like 446 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: some of the like minor details depending upon who you are, 447 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: like some of the minor details that they like addressed 448 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: and they unpacked during that part. We're so well done 449 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: to me, like for example, when Quentin was like struggling 450 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: with the pronouns, like that part was hilarious to us 451 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: in so many ways because it's like a very real 452 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: part of our culture right now, like especially when you're 453 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: like weighing the dynamic between like one generation and the 454 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: other one. So we were just laughing at that being 455 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: just the reality of the situation. But then too, like 456 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: I was sort of like laughing at my parents, was like, 457 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 1: y'all have a hard time. Like I loved the way 458 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: that they analyze that, and then they brought that to 459 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: the forefront, and I think that it made sense to 460 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: utilize Lances character to be the person that went through that, 461 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: especially when you consider all of the other kind of 462 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: like you could say, maybe even toxic masculinity that was 463 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: happening at the beginning of the series. Good point I 464 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: agree with you is weel Cameron in regardless of lot 465 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: how just the development was definitely hit on and point on. 466 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: I think one part that really stood out was when 467 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: we were on the group FaceTime hall and so it's like, 468 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: this is the whole thing everybody is in the knowledge 469 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: is well, don't you tell? Don't you tell him? And 470 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: then the way he ends up finding out everybody's oh 471 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: now he knows that he was the shocking in the 472 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: disappointment because everyone knew but him. So it was kind 473 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: of like, Okay, we tread the water of holding this 474 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: because we feel like it gives LJ the chance to 475 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: come up trying to tell his father, or do we 476 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: show up as friends and you know, take this wrole. 477 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: So it was kind of like seeing how they navigated that, 478 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: because that's a real thing when it's very hurtful when 479 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: everybody's gonna know about something and then you're not gonna know, 480 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: and then you find out everyone knew. You could feel 481 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: the trade, and so seeing kind of how that navigating 482 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: and being such a significant thing when it comes to 483 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 1: his son. I like how they displayed that. And I 484 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: also like how blance met with Lj's friends parents and 485 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: had that sit down so he could hear other parents experience. 486 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: I think that showed a connection at a community. That's important, 487 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: especially for parents who have children that are like the 488 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: l g B t Q plus community and they're having 489 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: challenges favoring out what this means for them. So to 490 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: hear another parents experience and perspective and see how they 491 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: are navigating it was really good to see, especially with 492 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: another black family. I thought that was really good. More 493 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: from our conversation after the break, I also loved how 494 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: we saw a bit of the next generation of the 495 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: circle in that LJ was so close to Quentin and 496 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: Shelby's baby. It definitely reminded me of like my own 497 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: friend group. A lot of us have kids at the 498 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: same age, and so we're basically raising them as cousins, right, 499 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: which is what this kind of felt like. That they 500 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: had such a close connection, Like LJ clearly felt very 501 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: comfortable being who they were with Quentin and Shelby's child, 502 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: and so I really enjoyed that too and thought like, Okay, 503 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: so we're also getting to see like how they are 504 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: forming connections with one another in the week of the 505 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: close relationships that their parents have with one another, And 506 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: we saw some of that with Candice Emerchant children also, 507 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: but it seemed like they were I think the ages 508 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: are a little different, right, and so they weren't quite 509 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: as close, but we definitely saw it between Quentin and 510 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: Shelby child and LJ. I really appreciated how they paralleled 511 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: lances perspective and position in both the original like Best 512 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: Man and then the Best Man series where he's out 513 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: of the loop, and then like if you paid attention 514 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 1: to the previous movie, and like here he is again 515 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: exposed to a son. Everybody knows about it, but he's 516 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: out of the loop yet again. It just hearkens back 517 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: to that feeling of oh my god, he's going to 518 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: be a mess. We don't know, like how he's going 519 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: to be able to navigate this. And I really appreciated 520 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: that juxtaposition. I thought it was really well done. How 521 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: did you feel about and I saw this? To me, 522 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: it was one of the worst kept secrets, Like it 523 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 1: was very clear that they were gonna have some kind 524 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: of low connection between him and the sister from the 525 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: resort at the end. So how did you all feel 526 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: about her kind of being the you know, the love 527 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: interests as we wrap up the series. I think for 528 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: me that to Jolie was one of those things. It 529 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: didn't make or break it. Like I didn't say I 530 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: was like rooting for and he needed it, But I 531 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: wasn't the gamest it. I wasn't opposed of it, especially 532 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: because they hadn't introduced any other character that he seemed 533 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: interested in throughout the rest of the series. So it's 534 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: kind of like, okay, well, just to wrap things up, 535 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: let's connect these to together. That's how I looked at it. 536 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: I agree. I think that inevitably when you have like 537 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: a series that has so much history and all of 538 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,959 Speaker 1: these relationships and bonds have been fostered and developed, and 539 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: then you bring this other character, she's new, and it's 540 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: not gonna be the same like level, Just to me, 541 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: when you compare like the level of history that we 542 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: have with all of the other characters, that felt a 543 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: little rushed. We could take it a wee could leave it, 544 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: especially when, like you know, she was engaged at the 545 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: beginning and then later all of a sudden she's like 546 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: free and like available. It just seemed a little I mean, 547 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: I understand it's all make believe in it, but that 548 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: felt forced a bit. So let's talk about my girl. 549 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: Jordan's So I feel like I probably was most disappointed 550 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: with where we saw her, right It definitely felt like 551 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: she was stuck in some ways to me, in who 552 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: she had been in the like the premiere of the movie. 553 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: So I see y'all shaking your hands, so maybe you 554 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: feel similarly. What were your thoughts about where we saw 555 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: Jordan and how we saw her in the series. I 556 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: agree with you back through joining the sense of her 557 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: like seeming stuck not well, yeah, because she was very 558 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: career driven and focused then and she was definitely there now, 559 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: and it was still a heightened level to where it 560 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: was practically she wasn't even putting herself in the care 561 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: of herself first. Her assistant has to ask her like, 562 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: do you like the self care? Which I think was 563 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: a good highlight for her to stop and pay attention 564 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: to that. She's just so driven on work, work, work, 565 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: and it was concerned I had health issues and scared 566 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: she was taking medication. There's a lot going on there. 567 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: And in the sense of her like pursuing anything outside 568 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: of her career, in the sense of relationship or just anything. 569 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: It was just everything was driven towards work and outside 570 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: of that, it was like when she realized, okay, well 571 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: what else could life bring her half from me? She 572 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: experienced a little bit about the light grief of missed 573 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: opportunities to have a different life per se. I think 574 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: Jordan's character is super complex. So just out of respect 575 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: to the series and everything, I will say this, I 576 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: like appreciated what Jordan represented from a mental health standpoint. 577 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: I really do. Again, like I said, appreciate the fact 578 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: that they brought up this concept of self care. I 579 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: think to a generation of folks that like, we're still 580 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: trying to get it together with self care and and 581 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, connecting it to her migraines. I felt like 582 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: that was good, that was powerful and happy that they 583 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: brought that to the forefront. I also think that Jordan 584 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: had some wins, and I appreciated the relationship that Shelby 585 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: and Jordan had from a career standpoint where she's putting 586 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: her friend on and just because the people in the room, 587 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: the people at the table didn't initially like Shelby on camera, 588 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: they didn't like her story arc or whatever, Like Jordan 589 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: didn't give up on her friend. I think that that's 590 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: still a very very very important dynamic that people need 591 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: to see. It's like more of that like a sister 592 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: helping a sister out like that where I just fall 593 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: off a little bit or I just felt a little 594 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: bit like kind of rolled my eyes. Was that like 595 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: the Harper Jordan's like saga still persists she don't need him, 596 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: like she don't need that man, like she she is good, 597 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And like I almost wonder 598 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 1: what it would look like, especially as so much of 599 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: like our audience, so much of the therapy for Black 600 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: Girl's cohort just looking at women like who do not 601 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: need to be with men? I almost like really kind 602 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: of wanted to see what it would look like if 603 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: she just that wasn't a part of the narrative anymore. 604 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: And I get again like there's a legacy of that 605 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: relationship that this and we have to kind of analyze it, 606 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: but I think like three is the time to kind 607 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: of investigate whether or not she can just be whole 608 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: without that. Yeah, And I think that that's the part 609 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: that felt stuck to me, Like it felt very much 610 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: like like early two thousand's when I think was when 611 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: we work kind of first having these conversations around can 612 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: women have it all? Like black women especially right, And 613 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: it felt like she was still very much in that, 614 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: but sometimes it felt like, of course, like she used 615 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: this like VP level at a NBC, but we also 616 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: see her like is she interested in a significant relationship 617 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: or is she not right? So we see the introduction 618 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: of to me, he was Terry Silver because that's where 619 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: I saw him lands in power, right. So I don't 620 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: even know what the brother's name was in the show, Dmitri, 621 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, Glad, just right, So we see 622 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: the introduction of him, and so you know it's okay, 623 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: are they gonna be serious? You know, he makes some 624 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: significant efforts to try to like fit himself into her schedule, 625 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: but then that doesn't work out, and so in some 626 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: ways it kind of gave the impression that there was 627 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: still like a part of her that was like holding 628 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: a spot for Harper, right, because we see them kind 629 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: of flirt with like, okay, are they going to try 630 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: it again? Right? And so that to me, I think 631 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: was very confusing and unnecessary, like to of course get 632 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: it right, because as o G fans of The Best 633 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: Man like Harper and Jordan, are they are good? Are 634 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: they not? But I don't think it was necessary, Like 635 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: I agree with you, Cameron, and I feel like she 636 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: didn't to me feel as advanced as I think she 637 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: could have for a three kind of character. So I 638 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: think I was most disappointed, but huge love for me 639 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: a long, right, So I will watch whatever she is in, 640 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: but I would have loved, I think, to just see 641 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: a little bit more character development there with her. I'll 642 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: say this, I thought when she left her job, I 643 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: felt like that was like her staying like I'm a 644 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: man market the stands out. That was powerful. Just to 645 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: see her turn away and be able to do that. 646 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: We sometimes feel like as women when we reached a 647 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: certain level, we have to hold that and it's like, no, 648 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: I gotta stay up here because I'm gonna be the 649 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: gatekeeper and bring other people one and other women. And 650 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: she was just like, yeah, no, like nothing's enough. I 651 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: have to choose me. So seeing her choose herself in 652 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: that and walk away for of me, I think was 653 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: very opening, in a good pivot. More from our conversation 654 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:18,479 Speaker 1: after the break, Okay, so we can round it out 655 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: with Robin and Harper. So lots of lots of thoughts 656 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: I think about them. So what were your feelings around 657 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: like where we see Robin and Harper and their baby 658 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: now in the series as opposed to you know he 659 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: proposed at the end of the first movie, right, So 660 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: we have now traveled with them through marriage and starting 661 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: their family, different career moves. So what were your thoughts 662 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: around where we saw them in this series. I think 663 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: the biggest thing the word for Harper and Robin was communication. 664 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: I think that was just like the breakdown, and I 665 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: don't know that has been a theme and a lot 666 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: of the concepts and storylines that I has been seeing 667 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: and paying attention to, and you know, in the landscape 668 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: right now is communication and communication is key. And just 669 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: from my perspective, like I was really frustrated with Harper 670 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: for not like listening to Robin in certain you know, 671 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: situations and instances when she's talking about like the type 672 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: of poem she wants and just other things like I 673 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: was just like, man like, if only he could hear 674 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: what we hear, you know what I mean? If they 675 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: just fell out of communication with each other, And I think, 676 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: like for it to be just that one thing makes 677 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: it really sad. Had they only worked through that, like 678 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: maybe they would have still been together. Maybe not. Yeah, 679 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: I would just definitely attribute that whole entire relationship to 680 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: just to lack of communication. I agree with you American, 681 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,439 Speaker 1: We're not feel like communication was a thing. But then 682 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: also I feel like they developed and grou into two 683 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: different people. So initially who we saw them being in 684 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: the first best name like the data dynammate in that 685 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 1: early mayor it it was like okay. In the second 686 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: bastic Man the holiday, and but that was like okay, 687 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: now I'm growing in this direction, which was for Robbing 688 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: and Harper was growing in this direction. And so like 689 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: when you mentioned the communication, I don't think that they 690 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: had that foundation to say when the two of them 691 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 1: were growing and how it would impact the other person 692 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: or what support would look like in each growth direction, 693 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: and that made both of them made me feel like 694 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: one is not following up or supporting the other. As 695 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: well as when they went to therapy, I feel like 696 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: that was a huge thing and I'm glad that they 697 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: showed them in therapy. The therapist highlighted how Robbing had 698 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: a lot of things in her head that she thought 699 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: she said that she never said, and in that no 700 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: one can be a mind reader, and so that really 701 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: played a huge this advantage for Harper and being able 702 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: to show up for her and how she needed to 703 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: be supported or feel seen. There was an element to 704 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: Harper's character that was so frustrating to me, which was 705 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: like it was a lot of self importance. I mean, obviously, 706 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: the entire like series, the whole thing is built off 707 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: of like this book and then this book that is 708 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 1: going to become a movie. Oh my god. But at 709 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: a certain point, I was like, Harper, get over yourself. 710 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: Get over yourself. And to your point Gordon's, I was 711 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: wondering if, like, yeah, he did change into a different person, 712 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: but did he change so much that he became a 713 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: person that can't listen to someone. It's like not in 714 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: tune with another human being, someone that he's been with 715 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: for so long. That's where I ultimately like ended up. 716 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: And so that's also just to kind of tie it 717 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 1: back to Jordan's, I was like, yeah, it definitely doesn't 718 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: make sense for him to then go over here. There's 719 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: like a an insecurity there, Like it's just like a 720 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: self importance there that he needs to like work through 721 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: before he goes to any of these characters that we 722 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: like have developed this connection to any relationship that he 723 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: goes to, now, it's not gonna work. At least That's 724 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: how I felt with Harper at the end of the day. 725 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: I did think the scene where like all of his 726 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: boys come in there and support him I loved that. 727 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 1: That was probably one of my favorite scenes, despite my 728 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: feelings for Harper towards the end, because it was like, 729 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: no matter how like down bad you are, like, at 730 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: least you have your boys, at least you have your 731 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,720 Speaker 1: support system, at least you have your community. But still 732 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: I was like, dang, he just cannot get over himself 733 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 1: in a way, you know, Camon, I would argue that 734 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 1: self importance really has been there with Harper since the 735 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 1: first Best Man. So when I hear you say did 736 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: he change that much? Like, I feel like Harper is 737 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: who Harper has always been, and I feel like, yes, 738 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: communication definitely was a big issue between Harper and Robin, 739 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: and I agree with you, Gorge, just like I loved 740 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: seeing the snippets of therapy, and because I think that 741 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: is very a real right, like when you are with 742 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: your partner and like you are imagining like that you 743 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,399 Speaker 1: have said this thing and that they know this thing, 744 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 1: and then the therapist actually like what have you said? 745 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 1: Then this will know duh, So they don't know, right, 746 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: So I thought that was a very realistic picture. But 747 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: I also feel like Harper and Robin probably never should 748 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: have gotten together because in some ways as I look 749 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,439 Speaker 1: back on like the original Best Man and then where 750 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: we saw Robbin in the final chapters, it always feels 751 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: like she has been on the outside of the circle, right, 752 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: and so even in a way that like Candice and 753 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: Shelby did not like they to me felt very much 754 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: like they were in the circle, whereas Robin always felt 755 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,240 Speaker 1: to me a more peripheral character. So in the first 756 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: Best Man, you know, we kind of see her kind 757 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: of she comes to the wedding later, right, so after 758 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: all this drama has gone on, and like she is 759 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: trying to pull Harper together, like Okay, you gotta fix 760 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,439 Speaker 1: it kind of thing. So she's on the outskirts there, 761 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: and then even in the final chapters, we see her 762 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: kind of being the one like at the house with 763 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: the other kids while everybody else is out looking for LJ. 764 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: And to me, she has always felt like a supporting 765 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: character as opposed to like this is Harper, Like Harper 766 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,760 Speaker 1: is like almost central to the circle, but his partner 767 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: feels outside in a way that I don't think she 768 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: should be because of who Harper is, right, and so 769 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: I also think that they probably shouldn't have gotten together 770 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: because it doesn't feel like he has ever really like 771 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: gotten over this thing with Jordan's right, And so in 772 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, Robbin it always felt was like 773 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: a second place. And even though I'm sure day to 774 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: day it didn't feel that way, like in the moments 775 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: that counted, it always felt like there was an opening 776 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: for Jordan's. I can't imagine in my own relationship like 777 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,359 Speaker 1: feeling like I was not like the first choice, right, 778 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: I feel like that would take a toll on me. 779 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: So I don't know. We didn't hear a lot of 780 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: that with Robin, but in a lot of ways it 781 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: felt like that played out any thoughts they are about, like, okay, 782 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: should they even have been together in the first place? 783 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: You really hit the nail on the head with that one, 784 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: because if you think about it, essentially she was kind 785 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 1: of like third because Mia. He was in a dynamic 786 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 1: with Mia, then it was this dynamic with Jordan's and 787 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: then it was her. So really what space because she 788 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: had in the inner circle when Harper had already had 789 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: engagements and you know, dynamics with the people within the circle. 790 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: So it's like she didn't really send a chance to 791 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 1: have a space designated for her like candidates and Shelby 792 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: because of his doings with the Inner Circle, within the 793 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: foundation of the circle. Good point. So it's like her 794 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: name and outsider. That's the only space I feel like 795 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: she could have had for some sense of normalcy. And 796 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: this is why I love creatives, because both of y'all 797 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,919 Speaker 1: said outsiders, Like she was outsider, she was on the outskirts. 798 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: And then she goes abroad with her daughter, with her baby, 799 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: and she led her is outside of it. She's as 800 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: far as away as she possibly can be. And so 801 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,359 Speaker 1: I think that like part of that was very intentional 802 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: on behalf of the writers to kind of like make 803 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: us feel that way, because I felt the same way. 804 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: It's just like there's something out of place about Robbin's character. 805 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: Can't really pinpoint what it is. Are they supposed to 806 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,760 Speaker 1: be together, and like you're questioning that the whole time, 807 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,919 Speaker 1: and then eventually like just culminates in her just saying 808 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,280 Speaker 1: deucees and leaving. Okay, So let's talk about that, because 809 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: that I think was a lot of the conversation that 810 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,240 Speaker 1: I saw in our community and even otherwise on social 811 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,280 Speaker 1: was her making the decision to move to South Africa 812 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,800 Speaker 1: and take the baby, and we saw his friend group, 813 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,280 Speaker 1: which I was a little surprised by, honestly rarely around 814 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: her making this decision right and telling him like, stop 815 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: being selfish for once, and you know, like this kind 816 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,359 Speaker 1: of thing. So did y'all agree or not with her 817 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: decision to move and take a little meal with her? 818 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: I thought it was a trump card for sure, and 819 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,799 Speaker 1: I'd feel like it could have gone either way. I 820 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: know that's sort of a cop out answer, but I 821 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: think for where their story ultimately ended, I think that 822 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,319 Speaker 1: I understand the choice that the writers made to have 823 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: the baby go with her, because it does it marks 824 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,359 Speaker 1: this time, in this stage where Harper has to be unselfish, 825 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,200 Speaker 1: he has to think of like other people outside of himself. 826 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: And I'm happy that it ultimately happened that way because 827 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: I think that if it happened the other way and 828 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: he got to keep their daughter in the States with him, 829 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,320 Speaker 1: then I think all of us would be like, Okay, 830 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: well did you learn anything? Whether or not I agree 831 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 1: that she should have like ultimately in real world, in 832 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: the real life, I'm not sure I understand why that 833 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,439 Speaker 1: is a point of contention. For sure. I think from 834 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: a for rental as that as well as from a 835 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: co parents Incazack paren we call parents. Oh. I think 836 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,320 Speaker 1: that was a hard one, especially in the sense of 837 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: kind of impactful it was for him and for the 838 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: both of them. I think that she was very driven 839 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 1: on what this experience meant for her and what it 840 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,399 Speaker 1: looked like for their daughter, especially when they went over 841 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: and visited for the summer and they had a good 842 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: time and all of that. But in a sense of 843 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: just the shift, I think that it could have been 844 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,919 Speaker 1: played out differently. I would have wanted it to look 845 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: more cohesive, with them coming together in agreement, but again, 846 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it don't happen that way, So I'm indifferent. 847 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: I have feelings on both ends. Also say that, like 848 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: to counter what I was saying earlier that I think typically, 849 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: or the majority of the time, we do see the 850 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: situation where the mom wins out and ends up taking 851 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 1: custody or ends up being the like soule provider or 852 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,840 Speaker 1: the same other. So I feel like they perpetuated that 853 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,800 Speaker 1: narrative just a little bit. But again, in this particular case, 854 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: I supported because of some of the stuff that Harper's 855 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 1: character needed and some of the ways that Harper's character 856 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: needed to develop so I did not like, I did 857 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,360 Speaker 1: not like that angle at all, and I agree with 858 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: you Cameron, like it definitely was the big joker, right, 859 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 1: this was the Okay, I finally am doing something for myself, 860 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 1: like I am going completely against anybody I have ever 861 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: been in this relationship with this person. I thought that 862 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: was harsh though, like you gorgeous, if that became the 863 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: ultimate decision, I would have preferred to see some conversation 864 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 1: about like this is what I want to do, you know, 865 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 1: this kind of thing, and like for them to arrive 866 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: to that decision together as opposed to her kind of 867 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,919 Speaker 1: taking the baby and like, okay, you just gotta deal 868 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: with it, right, and so you know, it wasn't as 869 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: if he was an uninvolved father. So I thought that 870 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 1: was drastic. And like I said, it was very surprised 871 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 1: to see the way that the friend group rallied around 872 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 1: her like that to me didn't feel in character with 873 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 1: who they had been to harbor before. So it kind 874 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 1: of felt like everybody was taking me aside. But also 875 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: maybe it just felt bad for her, right because like 876 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,520 Speaker 1: he has been so ridiculous the whole relationship, right, So 877 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: I could also see why people felt like Okay, yeah, 878 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,360 Speaker 1: you know, like, hey, let her have this round. But 879 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,840 Speaker 1: to me, that felt very drastic. To move the child 880 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,399 Speaker 1: to a whole different continent without some discussion and for 881 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: him to just kind of find out in that meeting, 882 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: that felt very drastic to me. I also think that 883 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: models though a lot of real life experiences where that 884 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,920 Speaker 1: happened in the sense of, like, can we mentioned that 885 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: Trump card? And so that probably connected with a lot 886 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: of people's narratives while going through divorces or separations with 887 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: families and children's where there's one parent that just comes 888 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: in and blindside you essentially, and then what do you do? 889 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: How do you deal with that? So what are your 890 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 1: feelings about where we have left off? So do you 891 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: feel settled? In complete? So this is called the final chapter, 892 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 1: So I do not think we're getting anymore. So do 893 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,319 Speaker 1: y'all feel complete with where we have left off with 894 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 1: these beloved characters for everyone but Harper and Jordan. I 895 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: do I think that they've like sort of let the 896 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,439 Speaker 1: door open with Jordan's character specifically, at least I want 897 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: to hope so, because like again, like part of me 898 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: wants to see her have it all, Like is she 899 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: really just going to beat this boss lady that isn't 900 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: ever complete romantically or at least feeling complete. So like 901 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,319 Speaker 1: even if she's a single woman like tie that up 902 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,880 Speaker 1: for us, she's happy, right, she feels whole right, or 903 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: if she's with someone. For me, as it stands right now, 904 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,360 Speaker 1: theyre always will be that question of whether, like Jordan's 905 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: ever got what she deserves as a human being, and 906 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 1: that is just like wholeness and peace. I think for me, 907 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm okay with how it ended where the storylines ended 908 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 1: for everyone because I think essentially it allows you to 909 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 1: just accept who they are and the storyline is an 910 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,880 Speaker 1: accept kind of where the story all in place for 911 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: them individually, and sometimes we want that closure, but we 912 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: don't always get it. So it's like having to accept 913 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,879 Speaker 1: that and just see it for what it is like 914 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: for your case, I point and Cameron, maybe we can envision, 915 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 1: you know, Jordan's outcome could look like this, because look 916 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 1: like this, it could be this, and maybe them leaving 917 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,920 Speaker 1: them open like that, it's for there to be like 918 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 1: this whole. There is no perfect ending. Whatever the ending 919 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 1: is is what it could be. And then for harperre 920 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: he just his own care. I think again, the development 921 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: of him and having to grow and continuing to grow. 922 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: It's that's kind of where they left off for me, 923 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: for him, but I think everybody else storyline was ended 924 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 1: and wrapped up. Well, yeah, I would agree. I feel 925 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,719 Speaker 1: complete with where we left soft Like I don't feel like, oh, 926 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 1: I would love to hear a teen year reunion kind 927 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: of thing. Like I feel like if we don't see 928 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,279 Speaker 1: these characters in this iteration anymore, that I feel good 929 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: about where we kind of closed the door with them. 930 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,920 Speaker 1: So I agree with you both there, All right, y'all, well, 931 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 1: thank you all so much for sharing your thoughts with me. 932 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 1: We will have to come back when we find a 933 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,839 Speaker 1: new favorite show to kind of deep dive into and discuss. 934 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,840 Speaker 1: Do you want to share your social media handles for 935 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,440 Speaker 1: anybody who wants to follow you or keep up with 936 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: whatever you have going on? Sure? I am on Instagram 937 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 1: at Cameron and Taylor. 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Thank you all so much for joining me 957 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,840 Speaker 1: again this week. I look forward to continue with this 958 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,080 Speaker 1: conversation with you all real soon. Take get care