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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, Hey, I'm in a good mood. Remember
Speaker 1: the other day we were talking about how people don't
Speaker 1: like Charlotte and so invariably everything is Charlotte's fault. Now
Speaker 1: we're getting the same thing with John Moxley. People don't
Speaker 1: like the death writer storyline. It's it's all his fault.
Speaker 1: It's not everyone. Let me tell you something. If you're
Speaker 1: watching AW and you think something is awesome, then you
Speaker 1: can thank Tony Kahan. If you watch AW and you
Speaker 1: think something sucks, you can blame Tony Khan. The big stars,
Speaker 1: you're John Moxley's, you're Chris Jericho's, you're Adam Copeland's. They
Speaker 1: all have a lot more influence than, for example, a
Speaker 1: private party. You're MJFS for example, But they ain't running
Speaker 1: the show. There's one guy running the show. His name
Speaker 1: is Tony Khan.
Speaker 3: The buck stops there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Tony, not the bucks. I realize there are
Speaker 1: people that people don't like, and so it's always like
Speaker 1: the people you don't like get the blame. But if like,
Speaker 1: if you like somebody thinks are going well, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know Tony's booking him well or whatever. No, it
Speaker 1: is Tony Khan. It is his company. He's always going
Speaker 1: to run the show. It doesn't matter who they hire,
Speaker 1: if they ever hire a new book or whatever, it
Speaker 1: is Tony Khan's show. He's running the show. If you
Speaker 1: like it, it's Tony. If you don't like it, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's Tony. That's the end of the that's the
Speaker 1: end of the story.
Speaker 3: There are you doing? Mid South nineteen eighty five? Is
Speaker 3: that what?
Speaker 1: Eighty four?
Speaker 3: Eighty four? Okay, see, you know you probably are never
Speaker 3: going to make it to nineteen eighty five where Mid South,
Speaker 3: after really doing well with smaller guys, the Rock and
Speaker 3: Roll Express, the Midnight Express, Terry Taylor, Bill Dundee as
Speaker 3: the booker, they started to get a little bit big
Speaker 3: again and he started to see guys like the Nightmare
Speaker 3: came in and he was the champion, and they started
Speaker 3: going back. I think Bob Sweetan may have come back
Speaker 3: at that point, sadly enough. But I look at AEW's
Speaker 3: tag team division and just kind of aw in general,
Speaker 3: and boy, they seem to be going big, aren't they?
Speaker 3: Because and I'm not gonna complain about.
Speaker 1: This big or old or most Look, here's.
Speaker 3: The thing there is I can understand some valid complaints
Speaker 3: about them being quote unquote old. The company has been
Speaker 3: around for five years, so there are a lot of
Speaker 3: people that could have gotten over bigger than some of
Speaker 3: the reactions that some of these old people like Bobby
Speaker 3: Lashley and Shelton Benjamin are getting right now. And Bobby
Speaker 3: Lashley and Shelton Benjamin as your tag team champions going
Speaker 3: up against Brody King and Buddy Matthews. I like that.
Speaker 3: I did notice on Collision that they made sure to
Speaker 3: have the Gates of Agony have a little promo. They're
Speaker 3: big dudes, and I have a feeling that we're going
Speaker 3: to be moving a lot more into that. So if
Speaker 3: you don't like old, you already don't like aw I guess,
Speaker 3: And if you don't like Big, well, you're probably not
Speaker 3: gonna like what's coming up.
Speaker 1: I think Big is the least of our problems.
Speaker 3: Big Bill and Chris Jericho. It's happening at some point.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm excited for Big Bill versus Hobbs. You know,
Speaker 1: but listen, hold on, need I got some stuff. We're
Speaker 1: getting way ahead of ourselves here. Okay, the big story
Speaker 1: today is not that they missed a shot on Dynamite.
Speaker 1: The big story here is is actually this NXT.
Speaker 3: Rating Mojoe missed a shot.
Speaker 1: Dude NXT at eight hundred and twelve thousand, viewers in
Speaker 1: a point two two Okay, do you know what was
Speaker 1: on NXT? Nothing? Well, like, they didn't promote anything. We
Speaker 1: had a Ridge Holland and Tony d for the North
Speaker 1: American title that was promoted. We had Lexus King and
Speaker 1: Charlie Dempsey in a Heritage Cup match. This feud must continue.
Speaker 1: We they advertised the main event obviously with Oba Femi
Speaker 1: and Eddie Thorpe. But I looked at the quarters because
Speaker 1: you know, we always have these people on on Twitter
Speaker 1: or whatever that they're there. They got a meme. The
Speaker 1: meme this time is Eddie Thorpe is turning around NXT. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: that is why it's important to have the quarter hours.
Speaker 1: I can tell you what's what's turning around NXT. And
Speaker 1: it's just like they're they're whatever you think about the show,
Speaker 1: hold on, Mike, Gimi, Christmas, let me get through this.
Speaker 1: Whatever you think about this show, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot about this show, trust me, the fact of the
Speaker 1: matter is to this audience, they are getting p overs.
Speaker 1: That's literally the only explanation. You look at the quarters
Speaker 1: and it's relatively you know, a straight line. But there
Speaker 1: are certain things that did much better than usual. And
Speaker 1: one of them is the women they have done. Whatever
Speaker 1: you think of individual women, you know, we make fun
Speaker 1: of Kora Jade's interviews and you know Kilani's there's stuff
Speaker 1: you can like, but you know they're they're all learning.
Speaker 1: But the fact is they're getting these characters over. And
Speaker 1: that segment that had that, you know, all that heat.
Speaker 1: There was tremendous heat for Roxanne and Kora Jade when
Speaker 1: they came out to square off with Bailey and Julian.
Speaker 1: Obviously Bailey was there, but that segment did almost nine
Speaker 1: hundred thousand viewers. Trick Williams every time he came out,
Speaker 1: they did big numbers for Trick Williams. Let's see what
Speaker 1: did really well, the women's deal and also Trick was
Speaker 1: in that segment. We had Jada Parker and Carmen Petrovitch
Speaker 1: did very very well. But that was also a segment
Speaker 1: with like five thousand just characters in it. It was
Speaker 1: it was the end of the Parker match with Petrovich.
Speaker 1: A metaphor segment with soul Ruka Zaria and Gigi Dolan
Speaker 1: and Tatum again a bunch of women. We had the Brooks,
Speaker 1: Jensen and Niko versus di'angelo family and his segment with Axiom,
Speaker 1: Nathan Fraser, Josh Briggs and Inamura. So that did very well,
Speaker 1: and then like the main event, I mean it did
Speaker 1: good as well. It didn't do the highest thing on
Speaker 1: the show, So it's not Eddie, but you know, oba
Speaker 1: Feming Eddie Thorpe for the title did almost eight hundred
Speaker 1: thousand viewers, So it wasn't like the show opened gigantic
Speaker 1: and fell through the show, and that's why the number
Speaker 1: was up. You know, it opened it eight forty six
Speaker 1: and it just stayed there. It went up. When we
Speaker 1: had the women's segment, it dropped a little bit but
Speaker 1: not much. Went back up for the end of another
Speaker 1: women's match, dropped a tiny bit for like a double
Speaker 1: ad break. But by the way, that eight eighty for
Speaker 1: the for all of the women. That was a double
Speaker 1: AD break segment. Do you know how rare it is
Speaker 1: to have a double ad break segment be the highest
Speaker 1: rated quarter on the show.
Speaker 3: It's like seeing a double rainbow.
Speaker 1: So literally, without that double AD break, that would have
Speaker 1: easily done over nine hundred thousand viewers. So they're just
Speaker 1: getting people over. I mean that's it, so good for them.
Speaker 3: Good for them, it is, and it's another week like
Speaker 3: three or in a row that's up, and that's a
Speaker 3: good thing. But I also they often are under seven
Speaker 3: hundred thousand. They'll do like six ninety eight, And if
Speaker 3: they happen to do that next week, it's not an
Speaker 3: indictment on them not doing exactly what you've been saying
Speaker 3: that they've been doing. I just think that in this case,
Speaker 3: it could very well be just a little bit of
Speaker 3: a freaky high number. But we'll find out. But if
Speaker 3: it does drop next week, again people that want to
Speaker 3: point to it and say it's not working, that's not
Speaker 3: true because everything you said and you've been laying out
Speaker 3: is absolutely true.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also not doing that. The average over the
Speaker 1: last ninety days is slightly over seven hundred thousand viewers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you go back and you start ticking
Speaker 3: back a little bit, you see six thirty two and
Speaker 3: five ninety three.
Speaker 1: Oh, sure, those happen here and there, but that's more
Speaker 1: when they have a giant they have competition that does
Speaker 1: affect them. It doesn't affect them as much as other shows.
Speaker 1: But your ninety day average is over seven hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: so show's doing pretty well.
Speaker 3: It is well, and again for the reasons that you're
Speaker 3: laid out, and they do have intriguing characters and people
Speaker 3: that are easy to get behind. And we made fun
Speaker 3: of sometimes some of the colors and things like that,
Speaker 3: but everybody, for as many generic blonds as we say
Speaker 3: that they have, everybody does have somewhat of a unique look,
Speaker 3: at least the people that matter.
Speaker 1: And then a couple of notes. Rende Thurston had the
Speaker 1: SmackDown quarters and if you look at SmackDown, I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's that last hour dies. It doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: show it is. I mean, the last hour dropped all
Speaker 1: the way down to a one point one million.
Speaker 3: That late NBA game is always going to.
Speaker 1: That was a double but it was a double ad
Speaker 1: break segment. But the fact is, like the first two hours,
Speaker 1: the first two hours of SmackDown do well. And you
Speaker 1: know the segment where they had Jimmy and Carmelo and
Speaker 1: the Bloodline. I mean, whatever people think about the Bloodline,
Speaker 1: it's still did one point six million. It was like
Speaker 1: the highest rated thing on the show. So anyway, more
Speaker 1: news after the break Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simper viv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: This guy goes, what's turning around NXT, my friend, is
Speaker 1: the fact that they actually have somebody who knows how
Speaker 1: to book coherently. And the pro promotion is the promotion?
Speaker 1: Is it run by? He's trying to say the promotion is.
Speaker 3: Not run Is he throwing shan by?
Speaker 1: Infantile behavior? But you won't put this on the show today? Wow?
Speaker 3: Was he talking about He actually.
Speaker 1: Talked about infantile behavior? No, he's talking about aw of
Speaker 1: course talked about infantile behavior and then dared me to
Speaker 1: put this on the show. That was kind of funny.
Speaker 1: But listen here, listen, Okay, I gotta say this about
Speaker 1: NXT all right. I don't know, man, the show is
Speaker 1: very hit and miss. Okay, I know this is another
Speaker 1: one of those memes. Sean Michael's Booker of the Year.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's stuff that he does. Is it's great,
Speaker 1: He's doing a good I will say he's doing a
Speaker 1: good job. But man, if you watch this show, just
Speaker 1: the booking of the Heritage Cup alone this year should
Speaker 1: disqualify him from best booker. Like, I don't know, if
Speaker 1: you guys know this or not, but this so they
Speaker 1: bring the Heritage Cup from nxt UK to nxt here
Speaker 1: in the US. And at the beginning, there's just this
Speaker 1: presumption that we all watched nxt UK and we all
Speaker 1: know everything about the Heritage Cup. Okay, So like every
Speaker 1: now and then they'll throw up a screen with like
Speaker 1: all these like it's a screen like this is big
Speaker 1: of all the Heritage Cup rules. It'll flash up there
Speaker 1: for a second and they get going, and I think
Speaker 1: there's an assumption that, like, we all know the Heritage
Speaker 1: Cup rules, and so after we see a bunch of
Speaker 1: Heritage Cup matches, then we start to think that we
Speaker 1: actually might know the Heritage Cup rules. And then we
Speaker 1: have just like this whole thing. I've ranted about it before.
Speaker 1: It's like Ava screws or ay Thorpe gets screwed in
Speaker 1: a match. Ava says, I can't reverse the decision. The referees'
Speaker 1: decision is final. Then you know, we have a segment
Speaker 1: where Jada Parker wants a match and she goes, I
Speaker 1: can't let you wrestle twice on one show. Then literally
Speaker 1: the next two shows she forces the tag team champions,
Speaker 1: one of them to wrestle twice on the same show.
Speaker 1: Then we have a Heritage Cup match that ends via
Speaker 1: DQ and a guy wins the title, and then Ava's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if the title can change hands
Speaker 1: on a DQ. It's uncertain. And so even though two
Speaker 1: weeks ago she said, you know, I can't you know
Speaker 1: the referee decision is final, she reverses the decision even
Speaker 1: though one of the performers says the referee's decision is final.
Speaker 1: And then the cup goes back and like, and then
Speaker 1: on top of that, some of you might remember this,
Speaker 1: some of you might not. There was a whole thing
Speaker 1: where everybody on the chat was looking back because everybody
Speaker 1: remembered that there was a match for the Heritage Cup
Speaker 1: and one of the participants won, but because he didn't
Speaker 1: have a corner person, it didn't count because allegedly the
Speaker 1: rules were you have to have a corner person, okay,
Speaker 1: And everybody was looking back to try to find out
Speaker 1: when or where it was. They all remembered this, even
Speaker 1: though I didn't remember it, and but Vinnie remembered it,
Speaker 1: but nobody could find it. And then like, after all
Speaker 1: of this discussion, well out comes the champion, the Heritage
Speaker 1: Cup champion came out this week with no corner man.
Speaker 1: It's not mentioned at all that you need a cornerman
Speaker 1: or you do not. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: why is this so hard? Why is this so hard?
Speaker 1: The answer is I don't know why this is so hard?
Speaker 3: Can I refresh your memory trying?
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear this.
Speaker 3: Charlie Dempsey wanted to know.
Speaker 1: This was much further back.
Speaker 3: Lexus King wanted to have the match, but he had
Speaker 3: no corner person, so one was assigned to him.
Speaker 1: No, he wanted one, No, he wanted one a signed,
Speaker 1: but Avas said, I can't assign you a cornerman.
Speaker 3: You have to find.
Speaker 1: You have to find when he found Regal Well, apparently
Speaker 1: that wasn't necessary because he came out with no cornerman
Speaker 1: this week and it was never mentioned. So no, this
Speaker 1: is not a perfectly booked promotion, not even close.
Speaker 3: Well, at least nobody is drinking bleach or getting tied
Speaker 3: up backstage. I guess I don't know, but I think.
Speaker 1: If you watched the show, do you know many people
Speaker 1: have been.
Speaker 3: Murdered, well literally murdered on allegedly allegedly, we do know
Speaker 3: they have a very dangerous parking lot, although they seem
Speaker 3: to have pivoted away from that. All the drama now
Speaker 3: takes place in that little kitchen area where everybody gathers
Speaker 3: there at the peach pit of NXD. And I think
Speaker 3: that's the thing about the show. It is like a
Speaker 3: teen NBC ninety show. It is saved by the bell.
Speaker 3: It is wrestling the college years. I mean, that's what
Speaker 3: makes the show what it is and what it's what
Speaker 3: also helps gloss over some of the fact that sometimes
Speaker 3: the wrestling is not good. Sometimes the angles and the
Speaker 3: stories are exactly the way you explain them, completely ridiculous.
Speaker 3: But it is an easy two hours to watch for
Speaker 3: the most part, and I think people give it grace
Speaker 3: and shoot it bail for that reason, because it's entertaining
Speaker 3: enough to get you through brother. But He's But here's
Speaker 3: the thing. The best stuff that's been going on, whether
Speaker 3: anybody likes it or not, until it is not, is
Speaker 3: still anything associated wrapped up with the bloodline right now.
Speaker 3: And if you are going to give out the you know,
Speaker 3: magical Booker of the Year award, it is really hard
Speaker 3: not to go and put it in the hands of
Speaker 3: the main roster of WWE, whoever you want to give
Speaker 3: all of that credit to.
Speaker 1: We didn't even mention that Lexus King won the Heritage
Speaker 1: Cup via DQ, and Ava ruled, I don't think the
Speaker 1: cup can change hands via DEQ, and so she reversed
Speaker 1: the decision and then announced a match for the Heritage
Speaker 1: Cup not under Heritage Cup rules.
Speaker 3: Fake. What's going on here?
Speaker 1: Man? I know that the text message Chaine, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get in like an hour. I don't care. I don't care. Now,
Speaker 1: Nikki Bella yes votes reporting significant discussions regarding her return
Speaker 1: to WWE. She was on TV like three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: She's she's ninety nine percent going to be in the
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble. So that's the story she's coming back. I
Speaker 1: don't know about Brie, but I guess we shall I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. We shall see. Now, before I get into
Speaker 1: the full Dynamite review, there are two things so we
Speaker 1: got to talk about.
Speaker 3: Is it possible?
Speaker 1: Number one?
Speaker 3: Fine?
Speaker 1: Number one? Why won't Tony have production meetings? This is
Speaker 1: the number one question. It's not just me asking. I
Speaker 1: hear wrestlers asking about it on a weekly basis. Why
Speaker 1: can't we just do a production meeting? So everybody's on
Speaker 1: the same page, and everybody knows what's happening. Tony refuses
Speaker 1: to have production meetings. I don't know why we only
Speaker 1: had time, but last night we had multiple. I mean
Speaker 1: last night, I was like, whatever you thought about the show.
Speaker 1: First off, you add two men doing dives off the
Speaker 1: balcony and the lighting rig moon salts. Both of them
Speaker 1: got missed by the camera. They then did not show
Speaker 1: a replay of it for an entire hour. It was
Speaker 1: an hour before he finally got a replay. Then we
Speaker 1: go to a match for the tag team titles and
Speaker 1: whatever you think about ad match, and I got a
Speaker 1: lot to say about not so much of the match,
Speaker 1: but like the title run of Private Party, they played
Speaker 1: the wrong music for the tag team champions as they
Speaker 1: came down to the ring. Yes, and that was a
Speaker 1: good one. And then you know, to their credit, they
Speaker 1: were like, hey, we had a big match last week.
Speaker 1: Hobbes faced John Moxley for the title and he got screwed.
Speaker 1: So they showed like a clip or two of it,
Speaker 1: and then they said the follow up was on Collision
Speaker 1: on Saturday night, and I'm like, oh my god, They're
Speaker 1: actually going to show the big win by Hobbes in
Speaker 1: that Collision twelve man tag, they literally cut to a
Speaker 1: clip of Hobbes and Big Bill having a stair down
Speaker 1: and they never showed the finish. Then we had a
Speaker 1: segment which I really liked with Chris Daniels and Hangman
Speaker 1: page where prior to the the uh, you know, the angle,
Speaker 1: they didn't bother showing one single solitary clip of Hangman
Speaker 1: ending Chris Daniel's career on the show last week, not
Speaker 1: one clip of it. He murdered this guy, and so
Speaker 1: you know, I had a friend who was there, not
Speaker 1: a wrestler but like a fan, and they were like, man,
Speaker 1: Chris Daniels came out and it was dead silent because
Speaker 1: likely a lot of the people who went to the
Speaker 1: show didn't watch Collision and they're like, okay, Chris is
Speaker 1: out here in a neck brace, like what's going on.
Speaker 1: They didn't understand the gravity of it. Nothing. He just
Speaker 1: came out and then he told Hangar that he had
Speaker 1: in his career and then like that was it, and
Speaker 1: there was no footage of it afterwards or anything. It's
Speaker 1: like these are all these are all on their own
Speaker 1: little things, but these little things all matter and there
Speaker 1: are little things that when there's four or five, six
Speaker 1: of them on a single show, it's like these all
Speaker 1: add up to what's happening here? Why aren't we, like,
Speaker 1: I like it, you showed a recap of something that
Speaker 1: happened last week, But show me the recap of what's important.
Speaker 1: Like obviously Hangman and Daniels. Something here is leading to something.
Speaker 1: Because when Daniels said, you know, you ended my career,
Speaker 1: and then he passed the guy and he goes, I
Speaker 1: hope you find happiness and he walks off, Hangman's virtually
Speaker 1: in tears about what he has done, like this is
Speaker 1: gonna be something. So how in the world do we
Speaker 1: not even get a clip of the match the murder
Speaker 1: of Daniels by Hangman. If you're gonna put Hobbs over,
Speaker 1: which I like, and you're gonna show a recap, how
Speaker 1: do you not show him actually winning the match? The
Speaker 1: only reason that we know that he he won the
Speaker 1: match if you didn't watch Collision, is because Jericho in
Speaker 1: a promo mentioned you won the match, but you didn't
Speaker 1: beat Big Bill. That's the only reason that we have
Speaker 1: any idea that Hobbs actually won that match. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think there's some little things that could be fixed.
Speaker 1: One of them would be new production meetings so we
Speaker 1: can all go through everything see what we need to do.
Speaker 1: But we're not getting that. We'll talk about the shoe
Speaker 1: after the break.
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Speaker 1: gotta get going. Yeah, now, some quick notes. As noted,
Speaker 1: the full review will be tonight, but we we open
Speaker 1: with like this opening segment. Aside from the fact that
Speaker 1: they missed the shots, this segment was so awesome where
Speaker 1: essentially Ospray and Omega are gonna have a face to face.
Speaker 1: Ospray wants Omega to help him in this battle for
Speaker 1: the world title because the show was being held hostage
Speaker 1: by Moxley. But Omega's like, dude, last time we were
Speaker 1: in the ring, you try to kill me with a
Speaker 1: move and a screwdriver. So dude, it ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And so Don Kallus comes out, Kenny goes after him,
Speaker 1: out comes his crew Archer, and Kay Takeshta and Kyle
Speaker 1: and we got this wild, wild brawl all over the
Speaker 1: building and the story of the building is sorry of
Speaker 1: the angle is in the brawl, well, Kenny and Will
Speaker 1: have to team up, and they managed to team up
Speaker 1: together and take out all the heels, and so they decide,
Speaker 1: you know what, we should be a team, and so
Speaker 1: they do a challenge for the Australia show of I
Speaker 1: think It's going to be Takeshta and Fletcher against will
Speaker 1: Ospray and Kenny Omega for Grand Slam. Segment was the
Speaker 1: best thing on the show by leaps and bounds. Great segment,
Speaker 1: great start. But how do you miss a double moon salt? How? How?
Speaker 3: I don't know? Then the thing, Hey, look, they their
Speaker 3: production has been very good for the past several weeks.
Speaker 3: They have been doing a lot that's been very good.
Speaker 3: It just happens that this was not a good show
Speaker 3: times for some things like this and for sound too.
Speaker 1: Then we had the Hurt Business and private party for
Speaker 1: the a W Tag Team titles. See this is why
Speaker 1: you need to subscribe, because I don't have time to
Speaker 1: give all of my thoughts on what happened here, but
Speaker 1: I will give you the short version. If you want
Speaker 1: the long version, you can sign up. No profanities exacts.
Speaker 1: The other problem. Okay, the two things are. I'm very
Speaker 1: happy the Hurt Business won the tag team titles because
Speaker 1: they come across as like a killer tag team. However,
Speaker 1: I cannot, for the life of me explain why they're
Speaker 1: heals and Private Party's aw tag title run, I believe
Speaker 1: was the worst title run anyone has ever had in
Speaker 1: the history of all elite wrestling. I will fight you
Speaker 1: if you believe otherwise. So it was. It was a
Speaker 1: travesty this tag team title rate for so many reasons.
Speaker 3: The top flight LEO and action stuff wasn't enough to
Speaker 3: set them up for Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'll talk about this more tonight, but
Speaker 1: you know what really irritates me about this Hurt business things.
Speaker 1: It grinds my gears because what is happening with the
Speaker 1: Hurt business is exactly It's not like it's something new.
Speaker 1: It is exactly what happened with Tony Storm when Tony
Speaker 1: Storm was a heel, but everybody loved her, and so
Speaker 1: every babyface that Tony Storm faced was just neutered, which
Speaker 1: is impressive because they were all women. But the point
Speaker 1: is they were all neutered because you had all of
Speaker 1: these like babyface women squaring off against heel Tony and
Speaker 1: all it did was kill every single one of these
Speaker 1: babyface women. Now it's the exact same thing the Hurt Syndicate.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the Hurt Syndicate. Not one time ever, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking like once or twice. Not one time
Speaker 1: ever has the Hurt Business or Syndicate been booed. So
Speaker 1: what they do is they go out there and every
Speaker 1: Babyface tag team that they face the fans, what happened
Speaker 1: in the match last night was exactly exactly what I
Speaker 1: told you was going to happen on Observer Live yesterday.
Speaker 1: Go back and listen to it. I said, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you what's gonna happen. The Hurt Syndicate is gonna
Speaker 1: win the tag titles. They are going to work heels,
Speaker 1: but they will be cheered the entire time. The Babyfaces
Speaker 1: will make a comeback and be booed and like, exactly
Speaker 1: what I told you was gonna happen happened exactly, which
Speaker 1: is funny, by the way. Which is funny because on
Speaker 1: the chat they're like, well, you know, Tony doesn't want
Speaker 1: to do a he doesn't want to do a production
Speaker 1: meeting because like word will get and this word's gonna
Speaker 1: get out about what's gonna happen. I tell you what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen before every show. You looked at the lineup
Speaker 1: last night and you didn't know who was gonna win
Speaker 1: every match that was announced on that show. There was
Speaker 1: name one match last night where you were like, I
Speaker 1: think I know who's gonna win, but I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: and you were surprised you knew who was gonna win
Speaker 1: every single match. I told you not only who was
Speaker 1: gonna win the tag team titles, but exactly what was
Speaker 1: gonna happen in the match, exactly as it did. I
Speaker 1: don't need incide information for that.
Speaker 10: I just watched the show, so new a production meeting,
Speaker 10: so that everyone else on the show knows what's going on,
Speaker 10: and so like.
Speaker 1: It comes off great on television, it's not gonna leak.
Speaker 10: So anyway, not to mention, you tape collision half the time,
Speaker 10: so it's a tape show.
Speaker 1: Everything leaks, right. So I'll talk more about that tonight.
Speaker 1: I didn't even scratch this surface. Now, Tony Storm did
Speaker 1: a promo. We had two Harley Cameron segments. In this
Speaker 1: one she went back and forth with Australian slang Renee
Speaker 1: was baffled. The second one she wants a shot at
Speaker 1: Mercedes title and so I swear to God this happened.
Speaker 1: Mercedes goes. You have never won a match in aw
Speaker 1: not last year, not this year, So no, you don't
Speaker 1: deserve a championship match, and she walks away the announcers
Speaker 1: and ex Caliber goes, you know, Harley Cameron made a
Speaker 1: great case. Like, no, she didn't. She made a terrible case.
Speaker 1: Now it has been pointed out to me that Harley
Speaker 1: Harley has not lost every single solitary match. She did
Speaker 1: apparently win a couple of matches on Dark and she
Speaker 1: was on the winning side of a tag team match,
Speaker 1: but other than that, she's never won a singles a
Speaker 1: man John television, So no, that's not a good case.
Speaker 1: We had a Jeff Jared segment where he called out
Speaker 1: John Moxley because he wants the world title and fifty
Speaker 1: seven years old Claudio beats him up. But then Jared says, Claudia,
Speaker 1: how about this. If I beat you next week, I
Speaker 1: get a shot at John Moxley. So it's on Jared
Speaker 1: and Claudio next week. If Jared wins, he gets a
Speaker 1: shot at John Moxley. I do not expect him to win.
Speaker 1: Swerve an ar Fox because has noted yesterday. They have
Speaker 1: wrestled in the past. Thus we put this match together.
Speaker 1: Swerve he beats him.
Speaker 3: This took the place of Samoa Joe and Nick Wayne.
Speaker 1: And it's a good thing that we did not have
Speaker 1: a production meeting to leak Swerve defeating ar Fox, who
Speaker 1: has not had a match on Dynamite since November of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, not twenty twenty four, twenty three, in fact,
Speaker 1: Swerve one. And then afterwards Ricochet attempted to kill Prince
Speaker 1: Nana with scissors.
Speaker 3: Threatened.
Speaker 1: That's that's not nice, and Swerve then threatened to kill
Speaker 1: him in two weeks.
Speaker 3: Well, look, Brian, back to your point earlier about what
Speaker 3: fans will cheer. Remember what got Hangman Page into this
Speaker 3: rage in the first place. Fans cheered Swerved, Strickland and
Speaker 3: Prince Nana breaking into a man's house and draping his
Speaker 3: shirt over his newborn baby, which, by the way, still
Speaker 3: Hangman Page, He's still Where was your ADT security alarm?
Speaker 3: They're gonna take your dog next?
Speaker 1: Yeah, then we had MGF doing a promo, thankfully much
Speaker 1: shorter than last week. He's still bearing MJF. And then
Speaker 1: that's when Hangman came out and we had the segment
Speaker 1: with Chris Daniels where Hangman was very, very very sad.
Speaker 3: Now, it is nice that they crossed paths MJF and
Speaker 3: Hangman because again it links those two together at least
Speaker 3: with a little bit of a thread for something possibly later.
Speaker 3: So I do like that when all the main avendors
Speaker 3: have some sort of contact with each other.
Speaker 1: This guy thinks Jared's gonna win because otherwise the story
Speaker 1: is dumb.
Speaker 3: Now, like, no, no.
Speaker 1: You don't get it, dude. He didn't say he needs
Speaker 1: to win the title in the next month. He said
Speaker 1: he's gonna win the title this year. Last year, Moxley
Speaker 1: already has a title challenger, Cope Coland and obviously they're
Speaker 1: doing something with m JF and Jared. So m jff's
Speaker 1: gonna screw Jeff Jarrett and Jeff Jared will need to
Speaker 1: continue his path, which I believe will end with him
Speaker 1: winning the Owen and that's how he gets his championship match,
Speaker 1: because Jeff Jarrett has to win the Owen Hard Cup.
Speaker 1: Whatever you think of the guy.
Speaker 3: It's a feel good story for a feel good tournament.
Speaker 3: This is not the Continental Classic. You can do good
Speaker 3: stories and happy stories related to the Owen and Jeff
Speaker 3: Jarrett winning the Owen standing there next to Martha makes
Speaker 3: sense to me.
Speaker 1: And then we had Jamie Hayter Julia Hart, which.
Speaker 3: You didn't know who's gonna win that one?
Speaker 1: It's one and one and we'll have a third match
Speaker 1: down the road. That's the story. And then the main
Speaker 1: event was Copeland Cope and Pac Cope versus Pac.
Speaker 3: With PA's picture that he has where he stare at all?
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know so uh, I had no inside information,
Speaker 1: but I knew Cope was gonna win. He did. And
Speaker 1: then afterwards we had the big schmas with the death
Speaker 1: writers coming out to Uh to kill Cope.
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I understand why Swerve wouldn't have
Speaker 3: any friends. Why does Adam Copeland?
Speaker 1: No, they they played up that he has friends. It's FTR.
Speaker 1: They got murdered and the Rock and Roll Express and
Speaker 1: they got murdered. And then finally Jay White came out.
Speaker 3: He is not connected with young people on the roster.
Speaker 3: You know what, You're right? Maybe it is the olds
Speaker 3: that are causing all the problems. There got no friends.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of old wrestlers on this show,
Speaker 1: and or not old older, No, they're old?
Speaker 3: Are we old?
Speaker 1: I am old? And if they're older than me. I'm
Speaker 1: afraid they are old so and there are many on
Speaker 1: this show that are older than me, and.
Speaker 3: I don't look. I don't hate it. I love what
Speaker 3: he's doing. I think he looks great all that stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't know if copin mox is what they are
Speaker 3: going to want it to be now. Lashly and Shelton
Speaker 3: Benjamin being older, they're over like Gangbusters. I think if
Speaker 3: you did Moxley and Lashly or even copin Lashly, I
Speaker 3: don't know if the mox Cope scenario right now, with
Speaker 3: how weak FTR was leading into all of this stuff,
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's going to be that interesting
Speaker 3: of a match.
Speaker 1: We'll see, though, well we will see. In fact, I
Speaker 1: don't know when, but we will see at some point
Speaker 1: down the road. Out all right, let's see, persays. I
Speaker 1: wish it would have done a different prediction this year.
Speaker 1: I would have said Jeff Jarrett wins at all In
Speaker 1: Texas to immediately lose postmatch to Christian cashing In. I
Speaker 1: don't think here here I will say this. If Jarrett
Speaker 1: wins the Owen, I do not think they're going to
Speaker 1: announce the winner gets the shot at all In, because
Speaker 1: I do not see Jarrett fighting for the world titlet
Speaker 1: all in. I think it'll be a TV special or
Speaker 1: something like that where he gets his title shot. I
Speaker 1: do not think it's going to be it all in.
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