WEBVTT - Thrilling Thursday - All Things Dynamite

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network, live.

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<v Speaker 2>From San Francisco. I'm a sports byline broadcasting network. You

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<v Speaker 2>are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with your hosts Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Alvarez and Mike sempervb.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, you're ready, When you're ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get it off.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going, everybody? Brian Alvarez here on or Wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>it is Thursday here on the show, and I am here,

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<v Speaker 1>and we got a lot to talk about here today,

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<v Speaker 1>not really a lot of news, but I think we

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of fun things to discuss on this show.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll also be taking your feedback as all ways, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to mention that yesterday we did, in fact

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<v Speaker 1>pull off after Dark Radio successfully went off without a hitch,

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<v Speaker 1>But I did set up an after dark email address,

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<v Speaker 1>is the after Dark email. So we'll start going through

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<v Speaker 1>those next week on the show as well. This week,

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<v Speaker 1>and Blue Sky and you can text us today four

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<v Speaker 1>two five seven eight zero seven five sixty six. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not fun Friday, but we may we may open up

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<v Speaker 1>those phone lines because really, all we got to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about today is the Dynamite Show and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff surrounding the Dynamite Show, gigantic ratings for NXT, the

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<v Speaker 1>likely imminent return of Nikki Bella and TNA heading to

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<v Speaker 1>Full Sail to do a live show, and also some

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<v Speaker 1>tape shows as well, and you'll probably be seeing more

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<v Speaker 1>of that in the future. There is a Live Impact

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight Live and plenty more. So we're gonna get into

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<v Speaker 1>everything after the break. Gonna be a fun day, thrilling

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 2>and Mike semper Vivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up everybody, Hey, I'm in a good mood. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>the other day we were talking about how people don't

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<v Speaker 1>like Charlotte and so invariably everything is Charlotte's fault. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting the same thing with John Moxley. People don't

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<v Speaker 1>like the death writer storyline. It's it's all his fault.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not everyone. Let me tell you something. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>watching AW and you think something is awesome, then you

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<v Speaker 1>can thank Tony Kahan. If you watch AW and you

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<v Speaker 1>think something sucks, you can blame Tony Khan. The big stars,

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<v Speaker 1>you're John Moxley's, you're Chris Jericho's, you're Adam Copeland's. They

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<v Speaker 1>all have a lot more influence than, for example, a

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<v Speaker 1>private party. You're MJFS for example, But they ain't running

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<v Speaker 1>the show. There's one guy running the show. His name

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<v Speaker 1>is Tony Khan.

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<v Speaker 3>The buck stops there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with Tony, not the bucks. I realize there are

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<v Speaker 1>people that people don't like, and so it's always like

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<v Speaker 1>the people you don't like get the blame. But if like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you like somebody thinks are going well, it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know Tony's booking him well or whatever. No, it

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<v Speaker 1>is Tony Khan. It is his company. He's always going

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<v Speaker 1>to run the show. It doesn't matter who they hire,

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<v Speaker 1>if they ever hire a new book or whatever, it

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<v Speaker 1>is Tony Khan's show. He's running the show. If you

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<v Speaker 1>like it, it's Tony. If you don't like it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's Tony. That's the end of the that's the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the story.

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<v Speaker 3>There are you doing? Mid South nineteen eighty five? Is

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<v Speaker 3>that what?

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<v Speaker 1>Eighty four?

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<v Speaker 3>Eighty four? Okay, see, you know you probably are never

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<v Speaker 3>going to make it to nineteen eighty five where Mid South,

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<v Speaker 3>after really doing well with smaller guys, the Rock and

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<v Speaker 3>Roll Express, the Midnight Express, Terry Taylor, Bill Dundee as

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<v Speaker 3>the booker, they started to get a little bit big

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<v Speaker 3>again and he started to see guys like the Nightmare

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<v Speaker 3>came in and he was the champion, and they started

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<v Speaker 3>going back. I think Bob Sweetan may have come back

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<v Speaker 3>at that point, sadly enough. But I look at AEW's

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<v Speaker 3>tag team division and just kind of aw in general,

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<v Speaker 3>and boy, they seem to be going big, aren't they?

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<v Speaker 3>Because and I'm not gonna complain about.

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<v Speaker 1>This big or old or most Look, here's.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing there is I can understand some valid complaints

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<v Speaker 3>about them being quote unquote old. The company has been

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<v Speaker 3>around for five years, so there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people that could have gotten over bigger than some of

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<v Speaker 3>the reactions that some of these old people like Bobby

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<v Speaker 3>Lashley and Shelton Benjamin are getting right now. And Bobby

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<v Speaker 3>Lashley and Shelton Benjamin as your tag team champions going

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<v Speaker 3>up against Brody King and Buddy Matthews. I like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I did notice on Collision that they made sure to

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<v Speaker 3>have the Gates of Agony have a little promo. They're

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<v Speaker 3>big dudes, and I have a feeling that we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be moving a lot more into that. So if

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<v Speaker 3>you don't like old, you already don't like aw I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>And if you don't like Big, well, you're probably not

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<v Speaker 3>gonna like what's coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Big is the least of our problems.

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<v Speaker 3>Big Bill and Chris Jericho. It's happening at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm excited for Big Bill versus Hobbs. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>but listen, hold on, need I got some stuff. We're

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<v Speaker 1>getting way ahead of ourselves here. Okay, the big story

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<v Speaker 1>today is not that they missed a shot on Dynamite.

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<v Speaker 1>The big story here is is actually this NXT.

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<v Speaker 3>Rating Mojoe missed a shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude NXT at eight hundred and twelve thousand, viewers in

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<v Speaker 1>a point two two Okay, do you know what was

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<v Speaker 1>on NXT? Nothing? Well, like, they didn't promote anything. We

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<v Speaker 1>had a Ridge Holland and Tony d for the North

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<v Speaker 1>American title that was promoted. We had Lexus King and

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Dempsey in a Heritage Cup match. This feud must continue.

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<v Speaker 1>We they advertised the main event obviously with Oba Femi

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<v Speaker 1>and Eddie Thorpe. But I looked at the quarters because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we always have these people on on Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever that they're there. They got a meme. The

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<v Speaker 1>meme this time is Eddie Thorpe is turning around NXT. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that is why it's important to have the quarter hours.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you what's what's turning around NXT. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like they're they're whatever you think about the show,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, Mike, Gimi, Christmas, let me get through this.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever you think about this show, and I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about this show, trust me, the fact of the

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<v Speaker 1>matter is to this audience, they are getting p overs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's literally the only explanation. You look at the quarters

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<v Speaker 1>and it's relatively you know, a straight line. But there

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<v Speaker 1>are certain things that did much better than usual. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of them is the women they have done. Whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you think of individual women, you know, we make fun

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<v Speaker 1>of Kora Jade's interviews and you know Kilani's there's stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you can like, but you know they're they're all learning.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact is they're getting these characters over. And

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<v Speaker 1>that segment that had that, you know, all that heat.

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<v Speaker 1>There was tremendous heat for Roxanne and Kora Jade when

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<v Speaker 1>they came out to square off with Bailey and Julian.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously Bailey was there, but that segment did almost nine

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand viewers. Trick Williams every time he came out,

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<v Speaker 1>they did big numbers for Trick Williams. Let's see what

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<v Speaker 1>did really well, the women's deal and also Trick was

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<v Speaker 1>in that segment. We had Jada Parker and Carmen Petrovitch

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<v Speaker 1>did very very well. But that was also a segment

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<v Speaker 1>with like five thousand just characters in it. It was

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<v Speaker 1>it was the end of the Parker match with Petrovich.

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<v Speaker 1>A metaphor segment with soul Ruka Zaria and Gigi Dolan

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<v Speaker 1>and Tatum again a bunch of women. We had the Brooks,

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<v Speaker 1>Jensen and Niko versus di'angelo family and his segment with Axiom,

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan Fraser, Josh Briggs and Inamura. So that did very well,

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<v Speaker 1>and then like the main event, I mean it did

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<v Speaker 1>good as well. It didn't do the highest thing on

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<v Speaker 1>the show, So it's not Eddie, but you know, oba

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<v Speaker 1>Feming Eddie Thorpe for the title did almost eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand viewers, So it wasn't like the show opened gigantic

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<v Speaker 1>and fell through the show, and that's why the number

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<v Speaker 1>was up. You know, it opened it eight forty six

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<v Speaker 1>and it just stayed there. It went up. When we

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<v Speaker 1>had the women's segment, it dropped a little bit but

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<v Speaker 1>not much. Went back up for the end of another

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<v Speaker 1>women's match, dropped a tiny bit for like a double

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<v Speaker 1>ad break. But by the way, that eight eighty for

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<v Speaker 1>the for all of the women. That was a double

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<v Speaker 1>AD break segment. Do you know how rare it is

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<v Speaker 1>to have a double ad break segment be the highest

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<v Speaker 1>rated quarter on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like seeing a double rainbow.

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<v Speaker 1>So literally, without that double AD break, that would have

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<v Speaker 1>easily done over nine hundred thousand viewers. So they're just

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<v Speaker 1>getting people over. I mean that's it, so good for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for them, it is, and it's another week like

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<v Speaker 3>three or in a row that's up, and that's a

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<v Speaker 3>good thing. But I also they often are under seven

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<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand. They'll do like six ninety eight, And if

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<v Speaker 3>they happen to do that next week, it's not an

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<v Speaker 3>indictment on them not doing exactly what you've been saying

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<v Speaker 3>that they've been doing. I just think that in this case,

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<v Speaker 3>it could very well be just a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a freaky high number. But we'll find out. But if

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<v Speaker 3>it does drop next week, again people that want to

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<v Speaker 3>point to it and say it's not working, that's not

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<v Speaker 3>true because everything you said and you've been laying out

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<v Speaker 3>is absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's also not doing that. The average over the

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<v Speaker 1>last ninety days is slightly over seven hundred thousand viewers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but when you go back and you start ticking

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<v Speaker 3>back a little bit, you see six thirty two and

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<v Speaker 3>five ninety three.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, sure, those happen here and there, but that's more

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<v Speaker 1>when they have a giant they have competition that does

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<v Speaker 1>affect them. It doesn't affect them as much as other shows.

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<v Speaker 1>But your ninety day average is over seven hundred thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>so show's doing pretty well.

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<v Speaker 3>It is well, and again for the reasons that you're

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<v Speaker 3>laid out, and they do have intriguing characters and people

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<v Speaker 3>that are easy to get behind. And we made fun

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<v Speaker 3>of sometimes some of the colors and things like that,

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<v Speaker 3>but everybody, for as many generic blonds as we say

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<v Speaker 3>that they have, everybody does have somewhat of a unique look,

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<v Speaker 3>at least the people that matter.

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<v Speaker 1>And then a couple of notes. Rende Thurston had the

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<v Speaker 1>SmackDown quarters and if you look at SmackDown, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's that last hour dies. It doesn't matter what

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<v Speaker 1>show it is. I mean, the last hour dropped all

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<v Speaker 1>the way down to a one point one million.

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<v Speaker 3>That late NBA game is always going to.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a double but it was a double ad

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<v Speaker 1>break segment. But the fact is, like the first two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>the first two hours of SmackDown do well. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know the segment where they had Jimmy and Carmelo and

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<v Speaker 1>the Bloodline. I mean, whatever people think about the Bloodline,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still did one point six million. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>the highest rated thing on the show. So anyway, more

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<v Speaker 1>news after the break Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 2>You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 2>and Mike simper viv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy goes, what's turning around NXT, my friend, is

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they actually have somebody who knows how

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<v Speaker 1>to book coherently. And the pro promotion is the promotion?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it run by? He's trying to say the promotion is.

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<v Speaker 3>Not run Is he throwing shan by?

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<v Speaker 1>Infantile behavior? But you won't put this on the show today? Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Was he talking about He actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Talked about infantile behavior? No, he's talking about aw of

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<v Speaker 1>course talked about infantile behavior and then dared me to

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<v Speaker 1>put this on the show. That was kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 1>But listen here, listen, Okay, I gotta say this about

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<v Speaker 1>NXT all right. I don't know, man, the show is

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<v Speaker 1>very hit and miss. Okay, I know this is another

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<v Speaker 1>one of those memes. Sean Michael's Booker of the Year.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's stuff that he does. Is it's great,

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<v Speaker 1>He's doing a good I will say he's doing a

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<v Speaker 1>good job. But man, if you watch this show, just

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<v Speaker 1>the booking of the Heritage Cup alone this year should

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<v Speaker 1>disqualify him from best booker. Like, I don't know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you guys know this or not, but this so they

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<v Speaker 1>bring the Heritage Cup from nxt UK to nxt here

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<v Speaker 1>in the US. And at the beginning, there's just this

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<v Speaker 1>presumption that we all watched nxt UK and we all

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<v Speaker 1>know everything about the Heritage Cup. Okay, So like every

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<v Speaker 1>now and then they'll throw up a screen with like

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<v Speaker 1>all these like it's a screen like this is big

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<v Speaker 1>of all the Heritage Cup rules. It'll flash up there

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<v Speaker 1>for a second and they get going, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's an assumption that, like, we all know the Heritage

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<v Speaker 1>Cup rules, and so after we see a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>Heritage Cup matches, then we start to think that we

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<v Speaker 1>actually might know the Heritage Cup rules. And then we

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<v Speaker 1>have just like this whole thing. I've ranted about it before.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Ava screws or ay Thorpe gets screwed in

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<v Speaker 1>a match. Ava says, I can't reverse the decision. The referees'

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<v Speaker 1>decision is final. Then you know, we have a segment

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<v Speaker 1>where Jada Parker wants a match and she goes, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't let you wrestle twice on one show. Then literally

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<v Speaker 1>the next two shows she forces the tag team champions,

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<v Speaker 1>one of them to wrestle twice on the same show.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we have a Heritage Cup match that ends via

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<v Speaker 1>DQ and a guy wins the title, and then Ava's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even sure if the title can change hands

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<v Speaker 1>on a DQ. It's uncertain. And so even though two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago she said, you know, I can't you know

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<v Speaker 1>the referee decision is final, she reverses the decision even

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<v Speaker 1>though one of the performers says the referee's decision is final.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the cup goes back and like, and then

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<v Speaker 1>on top of that, some of you might remember this,

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<v Speaker 1>some of you might not. There was a whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>where everybody on the chat was looking back because everybody

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<v Speaker 1>remembered that there was a match for the Heritage Cup

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the participants won, but because he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a corner person, it didn't count because allegedly the

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<v Speaker 1>rules were you have to have a corner person, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And everybody was looking back to try to find out

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<v Speaker 1>when or where it was. They all remembered this, even

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<v Speaker 1>though I didn't remember it, and but Vinnie remembered it,

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<v Speaker 1>but nobody could find it. And then like, after all

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<v Speaker 1>of this discussion, well out comes the champion, the Heritage

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<v Speaker 1>Cup champion came out this week with no corner man.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not mentioned at all that you need a cornerman

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<v Speaker 1>or you do not. I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>why is this so hard? Why is this so hard?

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<v Speaker 1>The answer is I don't know why this is so hard?

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<v Speaker 3>Can I refresh your memory trying?

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to hear this.

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<v Speaker 3>Charlie Dempsey wanted to know.

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<v Speaker 1>This was much further back.

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<v Speaker 3>Lexus King wanted to have the match, but he had

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<v Speaker 3>no corner person, so one was assigned to him.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he wanted one, No, he wanted one a signed,

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<v Speaker 1>but Avas said, I can't assign you a cornerman.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to find.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to find when he found Regal Well, apparently

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't necessary because he came out with no cornerman

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<v Speaker 1>this week and it was never mentioned. So no, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not a perfectly booked promotion, not even close.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, at least nobody is drinking bleach or getting tied

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<v Speaker 3>up backstage. I guess I don't know, but I think.

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<v Speaker 1>If you watched the show, do you know many people

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<v Speaker 1>have been.

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<v Speaker 3>Murdered, well literally murdered on allegedly allegedly, we do know

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<v Speaker 3>they have a very dangerous parking lot, although they seem

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<v Speaker 3>to have pivoted away from that. All the drama now

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<v Speaker 3>takes place in that little kitchen area where everybody gathers

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<v Speaker 3>there at the peach pit of NXD. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's the thing about the show. It is like a

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<v Speaker 3>teen NBC ninety show. It is saved by the bell.

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<v Speaker 3>It is wrestling the college years. I mean, that's what

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<v Speaker 3>makes the show what it is and what it's what

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<v Speaker 3>also helps gloss over some of the fact that sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>the wrestling is not good. Sometimes the angles and the

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<v Speaker 3>stories are exactly the way you explain them, completely ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>But it is an easy two hours to watch for

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<v Speaker 3>the most part, and I think people give it grace

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<v Speaker 3>and shoot it bail for that reason, because it's entertaining

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<v Speaker 3>enough to get you through brother. But He's But here's

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<v Speaker 3>the thing. The best stuff that's been going on, whether

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<v Speaker 3>anybody likes it or not, until it is not, is

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<v Speaker 3>still anything associated wrapped up with the bloodline right now.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you are going to give out the you know,

0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:15.440
<v Speaker 3>magical Booker of the Year award, it is really hard

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<v Speaker 3>not to go and put it in the hands of

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<v Speaker 3>the main roster of WWE, whoever you want to give

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<v Speaker 3>all of that credit to.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't even mention that Lexus King won the Heritage

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<v Speaker 1>Cup via DQ, and Ava ruled, I don't think the

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<v Speaker 1>cup can change hands via DEQ, and so she reversed

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<v Speaker 1>the decision and then announced a match for the Heritage

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<v Speaker 1>Cup not under Heritage Cup rules.

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<v Speaker 3>Fake. What's going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>Man? I know that the text message Chaine, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get in like an hour. I don't care. I don't care. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Nikki Bella yes votes reporting significant discussions regarding her return

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<v Speaker 1>to WWE. She was on TV like three weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>She's she's ninety nine percent going to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>Royal Rumble. So that's the story she's coming back. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about Brie, but I guess we shall I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. We shall see. Now, before I get into

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<v Speaker 1>the full Dynamite review, there are two things so we

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<v Speaker 1>got to talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it possible?

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<v Speaker 1>Number one?

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<v Speaker 3>Fine?

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<v Speaker 1>Number one? Why won't Tony have production meetings? This is

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<v Speaker 1>the number one question. It's not just me asking. I

0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 1>hear wrestlers asking about it on a weekly basis. Why

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<v Speaker 1>can't we just do a production meeting? So everybody's on

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<v Speaker 1>the same page, and everybody knows what's happening. Tony refuses

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<v Speaker 1>to have production meetings. I don't know why we only

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<v Speaker 1>had time, but last night we had multiple. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>last night, I was like, whatever you thought about the show.

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<v Speaker 1>First off, you add two men doing dives off the

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<v Speaker 1>balcony and the lighting rig moon salts. Both of them

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<v Speaker 1>got missed by the camera. They then did not show

0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:14.200
<v Speaker 1>a replay of it for an entire hour. It was

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<v Speaker 1>an hour before he finally got a replay. Then we

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<v Speaker 1>go to a match for the tag team titles and

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you think about ad match, and I got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to say about not so much of the match,

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<v Speaker 1>but like the title run of Private Party, they played

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong music for the tag team champions as they

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 1>came down to the ring. Yes, and that was a

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<v Speaker 1>good one. And then you know, to their credit, they

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<v Speaker 1>were like, hey, we had a big match last week.

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Hobbes faced John Moxley for the title and he got screwed.

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<v Speaker 1>So they showed like a clip or two of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they said the follow up was on Collision

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday night, and I'm like, oh my god, They're

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<v Speaker 1>actually going to show the big win by Hobbes in

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 1>that Collision twelve man tag, they literally cut to a

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<v Speaker 1>clip of Hobbes and Big Bill having a stair down

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<v Speaker 1>and they never showed the finish. Then we had a

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<v Speaker 1>segment which I really liked with Chris Daniels and Hangman

0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 1>page where prior to the the uh, you know, the angle,

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:18.920
<v Speaker 1>they didn't bother showing one single solitary clip of Hangman

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 1>ending Chris Daniel's career on the show last week, not

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 1>one clip of it. He murdered this guy, and so

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, I had a friend who was there, not

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 1>a wrestler but like a fan, and they were like, man,

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:34.959
<v Speaker 1>Chris Daniels came out and it was dead silent because

0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 1>likely a lot of the people who went to the

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 1>show didn't watch Collision and they're like, okay, Chris is

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 1>out here in a neck brace, like what's going on.

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 1>They didn't understand the gravity of it. Nothing. He just

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 1>came out and then he told Hangar that he had

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 1>in his career and then like that was it, and

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:53.400
<v Speaker 1>there was no footage of it afterwards or anything. It's

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>like these are all these are all on their own

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:03.119
<v Speaker 1>little things, but these little things all matter and there

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 1>are little things that when there's four or five, six

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:09.359
<v Speaker 1>of them on a single show, it's like these all

0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 1>add up to what's happening here? Why aren't we, like,

0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:17.679
<v Speaker 1>I like it, you showed a recap of something that

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:23.400
<v Speaker 1>happened last week, But show me the recap of what's important.

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<v Speaker 1>Like obviously Hangman and Daniels. Something here is leading to something.

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<v Speaker 1>Because when Daniels said, you know, you ended my career,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he passed the guy and he goes, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you find happiness and he walks off, Hangman's virtually

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<v Speaker 1>in tears about what he has done, like this is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be something. So how in the world do we

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<v Speaker 1>not even get a clip of the match the murder

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<v Speaker 1>of Daniels by Hangman. If you're gonna put Hobbs over,

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<v Speaker 1>which I like, and you're gonna show a recap, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you not show him actually winning the match? The

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<v Speaker 1>only reason that we know that he he won the

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<v Speaker 1>match if you didn't watch Collision, is because Jericho in

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<v Speaker 1>a promo mentioned you won the match, but you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>beat Big Bill. That's the only reason that we have

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<v Speaker 1>any idea that Hobbs actually won that match. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just think there's some little things that could be fixed.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them would be new production meetings so we

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<v Speaker 1>can all go through everything see what we need to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're not getting that. We'll talk about the shoe

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<v Speaker 1>the full review will be tonight, but we we open

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<v Speaker 1>with like this opening segment. Aside from the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they missed the shots, this segment was so awesome where

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<v Speaker 1>essentially Ospray and Omega are gonna have a face to face.

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<v Speaker 1>Ospray wants Omega to help him in this battle for

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<v Speaker 1>the world title because the show was being held hostage

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<v Speaker 1>by Moxley. But Omega's like, dude, last time we were

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<v Speaker 1>in the ring, you try to kill me with a

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<v Speaker 1>move and a screwdriver. So dude, it ain't gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Don Kallus comes out, Kenny goes after him,

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<v Speaker 1>out comes his crew Archer, and Kay Takeshta and Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>and we got this wild, wild brawl all over the

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<v Speaker 1>building and the story of the building is sorry of

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<v Speaker 1>the angle is in the brawl, well, Kenny and Will

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<v Speaker 1>have to team up, and they managed to team up

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<v Speaker 1>together and take out all the heels, and so they decide,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, we should be a team, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they do a challenge for the Australia show of I

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<v Speaker 1>think It's going to be Takeshta and Fletcher against will

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<v Speaker 1>Ospray and Kenny Omega for Grand Slam. Segment was the

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<v Speaker 1>best thing on the show by leaps and bounds. Great segment,

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<v Speaker 1>great start. But how do you miss a double moon salt? How? How?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know? Then the thing, Hey, look, they their

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<v Speaker 3>production has been very good for the past several weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>They have been doing a lot that's been very good.

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<v Speaker 3>It just happens that this was not a good show

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<v Speaker 3>times for some things like this and for sound too.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we had the Hurt Business and private party for

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<v Speaker 1>the a W Tag Team titles. See this is why

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<v Speaker 1>you need to subscribe, because I don't have time to

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<v Speaker 1>give all of my thoughts on what happened here, but

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<v Speaker 1>I will give you the short version. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>the long version, you can sign up. No profanities exacts.

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<v Speaker 1>The other problem. Okay, the two things are. I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>happy the Hurt Business won the tag team titles because

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<v Speaker 1>they come across as like a killer tag team. However,

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot, for the life of me explain why they're

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<v Speaker 1>heals and Private Party's aw tag title run, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>was the worst title run anyone has ever had in

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<v Speaker 1>the history of all elite wrestling. I will fight you

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<v Speaker 1>if you believe otherwise. So it was. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>travesty this tag team title rate for so many reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>The top flight LEO and action stuff wasn't enough to

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<v Speaker 3>set them up for Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I'll talk about this more tonight, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know what really irritates me about this Hurt business things.

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<v Speaker 1>It grinds my gears because what is happening with the

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<v Speaker 1>Hurt business is exactly It's not like it's something new.

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<v Speaker 1>It is exactly what happened with Tony Storm when Tony

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<v Speaker 1>Storm was a heel, but everybody loved her, and so

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<v Speaker 1>every babyface that Tony Storm faced was just neutered, which

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<v Speaker 1>is impressive because they were all women. But the point

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<v Speaker 1>is they were all neutered because you had all of

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<v Speaker 1>these like babyface women squaring off against heel Tony and

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<v Speaker 1>all it did was kill every single one of these

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<v Speaker 1>babyface women. Now it's the exact same thing the Hurt Syndicate.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, the Hurt Syndicate. Not one time ever, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking like once or twice. Not one time

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 1>ever has the Hurt Business or Syndicate been booed. So

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 1>what they do is they go out there and every

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Babyface tag team that they face the fans, what happened

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<v Speaker 1>in the match last night was exactly exactly what I

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<v Speaker 1>told you was going to happen on Observer Live yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Go back and listen to it. I said, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what's gonna happen. The Hurt Syndicate is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>win the tag titles. They are going to work heels,

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<v Speaker 1>but they will be cheered the entire time. The Babyfaces

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<v Speaker 1>will make a comeback and be booed and like, exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what I told you was gonna happen happened exactly, which

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 1>is funny, by the way. Which is funny because on

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<v Speaker 1>the chat they're like, well, you know, Tony doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to do a he doesn't want to do a production

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<v Speaker 1>meeting because like word will get and this word's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get out about what's gonna happen. I tell you what's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna happen before every show. You looked at the lineup

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<v Speaker 1>last night and you didn't know who was gonna win

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 1>every match that was announced on that show. There was

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<v Speaker 1>name one match last night where you were like, I

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:19.720
<v Speaker 1>think I know who's gonna win, but I'm not sure,

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 1>and you were surprised you knew who was gonna win

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<v Speaker 1>every single match. I told you not only who was

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:28.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna win the tag team titles, but exactly what was

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 1>gonna happen in the match, exactly as it did. I

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 1>don't need incide information for that.

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<v Speaker 10>I just watched the show, so new a production meeting,

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.359
<v Speaker 10>so that everyone else on the show knows what's going on,

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:40.279
<v Speaker 10>and so like.

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 1>It comes off great on television, it's not gonna leak.

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<v Speaker 10>So anyway, not to mention, you tape collision half the time,

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:50.320
<v Speaker 10>so it's a tape show.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything leaks, right. So I'll talk more about that tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even scratch this surface. Now, Tony Storm did

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:05.400
<v Speaker 1>a promo. We had two Harley Cameron segments. In this

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 1>one she went back and forth with Australian slang Renee

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<v Speaker 1>was baffled. The second one she wants a shot at

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Mercedes title and so I swear to God this happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Mercedes goes. You have never won a match in aw

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<v Speaker 1>not last year, not this year, So no, you don't

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 1>deserve a championship match, and she walks away the announcers

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and ex Caliber goes, you know, Harley Cameron made a

0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:42.800
<v Speaker 1>great case. Like, no, she didn't. She made a terrible case.

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Now it has been pointed out to me that Harley

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Harley has not lost every single solitary match. She did

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:54.319
<v Speaker 1>apparently win a couple of matches on Dark and she

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:56.720
<v Speaker 1>was on the winning side of a tag team match,

0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 1>but other than that, she's never won a singles a

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:03.320
<v Speaker 1>man John television, So no, that's not a good case.

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 1>We had a Jeff Jared segment where he called out

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 1>John Moxley because he wants the world title and fifty

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 1>seven years old Claudio beats him up. But then Jared says, Claudia,

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<v Speaker 1>how about this. If I beat you next week, I

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 1>get a shot at John Moxley. So it's on Jared

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>and Claudio next week. If Jared wins, he gets a

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>shot at John Moxley. I do not expect him to win.

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<v Speaker 1>Swerve an ar Fox because has noted yesterday. They have

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<v Speaker 1>wrestled in the past. Thus we put this match together.

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<v Speaker 1>Swerve he beats him.

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<v Speaker 3>This took the place of Samoa Joe and Nick Wayne.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a good thing that we did not have

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 1>a production meeting to leak Swerve defeating ar Fox, who

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 1>has not had a match on Dynamite since November of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, not twenty twenty four, twenty three, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>Swerve one. And then afterwards Ricochet attempted to kill Prince

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<v Speaker 1>Nana with scissors.

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<v Speaker 3>Threatened.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's not nice, and Swerve then threatened to kill

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<v Speaker 1>him in two weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, look, Brian, back to your point earlier about what

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<v Speaker 3>fans will cheer. Remember what got Hangman Page into this

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<v Speaker 3>rage in the first place. Fans cheered Swerved, Strickland and

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<v Speaker 3>Prince Nana breaking into a man's house and draping his

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<v Speaker 3>shirt over his newborn baby, which, by the way, still

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<v Speaker 3>Hangman Page, He's still Where was your ADT security alarm?

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<v Speaker 3>They're gonna take your dog next?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then we had MGF doing a promo, thankfully much

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<v Speaker 1>shorter than last week. He's still bearing MJF. And then

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<v Speaker 1>that's when Hangman came out and we had the segment

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<v Speaker 1>with Chris Daniels where Hangman was very, very very sad.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, it is nice that they crossed paths MJF and

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<v Speaker 3>Hangman because again it links those two together at least

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<v Speaker 3>with a little bit of a thread for something possibly later.

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<v Speaker 3>So I do like that when all the main avendors

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<v Speaker 3>have some sort of contact with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy thinks Jared's gonna win because otherwise the story

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<v Speaker 1>is dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, like, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get it, dude. He didn't say he needs

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<v Speaker 1>to win the title in the next month. He said

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna win the title this year. Last year, Moxley

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<v Speaker 1>already has a title challenger, Cope Coland and obviously they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing something with m JF and Jared. So m jff's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna screw Jeff Jarrett and Jeff Jared will need to

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<v Speaker 1>continue his path, which I believe will end with him

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<v Speaker 1>winning the Owen and that's how he gets his championship match,

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<v Speaker 1>because Jeff Jarrett has to win the Owen Hard Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever you think of the guy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a feel good story for a feel good tournament.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not the Continental Classic. You can do good

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<v Speaker 3>stories and happy stories related to the Owen and Jeff

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<v Speaker 3>Jarrett winning the Owen standing there next to Martha makes

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<v Speaker 3>sense to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we had Jamie Hayter Julia Hart, which.

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<v Speaker 3>You didn't know who's gonna win that one?

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<v Speaker 1>It's one and one and we'll have a third match

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<v Speaker 1>down the road. That's the story. And then the main

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<v Speaker 1>event was Copeland Cope and Pac Cope versus Pac.

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<v Speaker 3>With PA's picture that he has where he stare at all?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't know so uh, I had no inside information,

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:38.759
<v Speaker 1>but I knew Cope was gonna win. He did. And

0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 1>then afterwards we had the big schmas with the death

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<v Speaker 1>writers coming out to Uh to kill Cope.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get it. I understand why Swerve wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>any friends. Why does Adam Copeland?

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<v Speaker 1>No, they they played up that he has friends. It's FTR.

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<v Speaker 1>They got murdered and the Rock and Roll Express and

0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 1>they got murdered. And then finally Jay White came out.

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<v Speaker 3>He is not connected with young people on the roster.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, You're right? Maybe it is the olds

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<v Speaker 3>that are causing all the problems. There got no friends.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of old wrestlers on this show,

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<v Speaker 1>and or not old older, No, they're old?

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 3>Are we old?

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<v Speaker 1>I am old? And if they're older than me. I'm

0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:25.799
<v Speaker 1>afraid they are old so and there are many on

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<v Speaker 1>this show that are older than me, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't look. I don't hate it. I love what

0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:33.360
<v Speaker 3>he's doing. I think he looks great all that stuff.

0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if copin mox is what they are

0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:40.800
<v Speaker 3>going to want it to be now. Lashly and Shelton

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:44.239
<v Speaker 3>Benjamin being older, they're over like Gangbusters. I think if

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<v Speaker 3>you did Moxley and Lashly or even copin Lashly, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if the mox Cope scenario right now, with

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<v Speaker 3>how weak FTR was leading into all of this stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it's going to be that interesting

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<v Speaker 3>of a match.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see, though, well we will see. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know when, but we will see at some point

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<v Speaker 1>down the road. Out all right, let's see, persays. I

0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 1>wish it would have done a different prediction this year.

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:18.600
<v Speaker 1>I would have said Jeff Jarrett wins at all In

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<v Speaker 1>Texas to immediately lose postmatch to Christian cashing In. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think here here I will say this. If Jarrett

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<v Speaker 1>wins the Owen, I do not think they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>announce the winner gets the shot at all In, because

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<v Speaker 1>I do not see Jarrett fighting for the world titlet

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<v Speaker 1>all in. I think it'll be a TV special or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that where he gets his title shot. I

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<v Speaker 1>do not think it's going to be it all in.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't see anything, but.

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<v Speaker 3>I like Rick Tittle and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Tittlating sports is not on right now?

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