1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 2: Welcome in. 4 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: I hope all of you had fabulous weekends. We are 5 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: ready to have a fun Monday with all of you, 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: break down the latest stories out there and help to make. 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: The world a little bit more. 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: I would say, basically saying, in an insane world, as 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: you've heard us talk about for a very long time, 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: we got a lot to dive into. Donald Trump currently 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: testifying in a civil trial in New York City. 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: He is on the witness stand. We'll let you know 13 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: how that is going. 14 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: There is a manifesto at least a few of the 15 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: pages from the trans shooter in Nashville, and spoiler alert, 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: turns out the trans shooter actually not a big fan 17 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: of white kids. And many more details I think are 18 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: going to come out, but the first few pages of 19 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: the trans shooter manifesto being released. But we begin buck 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: with what is at the top of the New York Times. 21 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: There are two polls that came out over the course 22 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: of the weekend. One CBS News has Donald Trump up 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: three points fifty one to forty eight. As we are 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: essentially sitting at one year until the twenty twenty four election. 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: And by the way, before we get into the twenty 26 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: twenty four election, if you are listening to us right 27 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: now in Kentucky, in Mississippi, in Virginia, and probably in 28 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: other states as well, there are major elections taking place 29 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: in your states tomorrow. 30 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 2: Go vote, get. 31 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: Out, and make sure that you make a difference in 32 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: the elections that are taking place tomorrow. In particular, the 33 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: closest election statewide is expected to be in the state 34 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: of Kentucky. You need to go vote for Daniel Cameron, 35 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: and you need to get out, and you need to 36 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: do what Democrats do. Vote early and often all day 37 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: tomorrow and make sure that Kentucky does not have a 38 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: Democrat governor by the time we are talking to you 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. So Buck, here are the results front page 40 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: News New York Times of the battleground poll. In Nevada, 41 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: Trump is up ten. In Georgia, Trump is up six, 42 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: In Arizona, Trump is up five. In Michigan, Trump is 43 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: up five, and in Pennsylvania Trump is up for Biden 44 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: only leads in the six battleground states in which they 45 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: polled one year out. In Wisconsin, where Biden is up two. 46 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: I looked at these results, and I want to hit 47 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: you with the thing that jumped out to me the most, 48 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about this later. Certainly a big part 49 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: of this is Biden hemorrhaging support among minority voters. But here, 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: to me is the essence of the entire race right now. 51 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 1: Do you think that Biden's policies have helped you personally 52 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: or hurt you personally? On an economic basis, Biden helped 53 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: thirty five percent, hurt fifty three percent. Donald Trump helped 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: fifty three percent hurt thirty four percent. To me, that 55 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: is the essence of the race right now. We basically 56 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: have two incumbents. People remember Donald Trump's presidency as helping them, 57 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: and right now they see Joe Biden's presidency as hurting them. 58 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 3: So there's this phrase that appears in a few places 59 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: with regard to the latest polling data about Trump vi Biden. 60 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 3: It's a five alarm Biden reelection fire. 61 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: That's what the Wall Street Journal says. 62 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: I saw it also in the right up of the 63 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: Siena College polling, and what they're saying is based on 64 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: these numbers. Going into this election year, the Democrat incumbent 65 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: is in a far weaker position than they anticipate. 66 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: And this is real. 67 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: This is Notuplicans are seizing on one poll or this 68 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: is some you know, aberrant data collection that they can ignore. 69 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: This is where the country looks to be right now. 70 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: In terms of who would win if the election were 71 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: held tomorrow. I would be very confident that Donald Trump 72 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: would actually defeat Joe Biden if the election were held tomorrow. Now, 73 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: as we all know, the election is going to be 74 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 3: held in a year, and that's an eternity in politics. 75 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: What does this mean though for Biden? And well, is 76 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 3: it Biden? That's the question that people are still putting 77 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 3: out there. I think this was in the New York Times. 78 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: It might have been Wall Street Journal. The twenty twenty 79 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 3: four election rematch that Americans dread looks likely. Democrats are 80 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 3: recognizing Clay that the time, as we've said all along, 81 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: to qualify for state ballots is almost gone. There is 82 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: a Democrat primary that is technically underway, but there's an 83 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 3: incumbent president's no process, there's no infrastructure. So what ends 84 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 3: up happening, Well, what ends up happening is if you 85 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: don't get somebody that's on the state ballots, you're not 86 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: going to be able to mount a realistic presidential campaign. 87 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 3: And that's they got a month. They got a month, 88 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: give or take. Where now you're talking about, Oh, I'm 89 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: gonna run against Donald Trump, but I can't even get 90 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 3: on all the ballots. Well, good luck with that one. 91 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: So then that brings me to the other thing that 92 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 3: was interesting in all this data because it looks great 93 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 3: for Trump vi Biden. Generic Democrat according to you know, 94 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 3: the same numbers that were coming out over the weekend 95 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 3: that we're looking at, generic Democrat beats Trump pretty handily. 96 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: Yes, So where does that leave you? 97 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 3: And does that mean that Kamala Harris, as much as 98 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: we all think she's terrible and we do, is Kamala 99 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 3: Harris actually a better option for Democrats than Joe Biden? 100 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: And does that become a conversation that they have to have. 101 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: So when I looked at all this data, I think 102 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: you can ask the question, is this. 103 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: More an endorsement of Trump or repudiation of Biden. I 104 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: think it's a. 105 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: Repudiation of Biden because it's not like Trump's favorability numbers 106 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: are skyrocketing. Buck most people really kind of don't like 107 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: Trump nationwide we like Trump, but nationwide most people. 108 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 3: About half the country loves Trump and about half the 109 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: country uh does not love him, but. 110 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: His favorability isn't changing. What's happened is Biden has tanked. 111 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: And here's my thing I don't understand. I hope let me, 112 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: let me take a step back. I agree with the poll. 113 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: I think Biden is the weakest candidate that Democrats can 114 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: put forward. I know you buy in on the incumbency 115 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: and all of that. I think the problem with Biden 116 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: is people have made up their minds and there's nothing 117 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: he can do to change the fact that he is 118 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: old and he isn't mentally or physically capable of doing 119 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: the job. 120 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna change their mind on that. 121 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: To me, Clay, it's like they're releasing a big movie 122 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: and they've already made the movie and they've done some 123 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: screen testing, and the lead actor for the Democrats that's 124 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: supposed to carry the movie is doing really badly. But 125 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: at this point, the only option would be to cgi 126 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: in some other actor, right or like AI, I mean, 127 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: it's that's a worse option even than what they have. 128 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: That's kind of the way I view this. It's they 129 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: recognize that they're leading. Man is not getting it done, 130 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: but to replace him is a worse option than because 131 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: of what it would require than what they currently have. 132 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: Although those numbers that show generic Democrat beating Trump, I mean, 133 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: here you go, unnamed democrat leads Trump by eight points, 134 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: and they say that this is in part reflecting that 135 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: seventy one percent of voters say Biden is too old 136 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: to run again. 137 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: Including Yeah, that's the key fifty Democrats and Buck, that's 138 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: the part where I keep coming back to this, and 139 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: I know we got a stake bet on this. 140 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: I just I can't believe. 141 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: I know, what's what's the guy's name, Phillips or whatever 142 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: his name who's running from Minnesota. Uh, that's Ryan Philape 143 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: or who's that guy who's running for Minnesota. 144 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: That's what everyone's saying. 145 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, why wouldn't somebody like JB. Pritzker or Gavin Newsom 146 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: actually run? Because Buck, I think if one big name 147 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: Democrat actually ran or even called Joe Biden and said, hey, 148 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm just giving you a heads up, I'm jumping in 149 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: this race. I'm concerned by the numbers that we're seeing 150 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: beating Trump is too important to give him a chance 151 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: to win, and I think you're going to give him 152 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: a chance to win. I think if one big name 153 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: Democrat said he was running, I think Joe Biden would 154 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: come out and announce he's not running because and then 155 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: I think they'd all jump in. 156 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 3: The only way and this is you know, David acts 157 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: Rod has a piece and he's probably thought of still 158 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 3: I mean him, Valerie Jarrett, but you know, really among 159 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: the most senior Obama world advisors, you know, Axel Rod, Jerrett, there's. 160 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: A couple of them, Susan Rice. 161 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 3: But he says that the only person who can stop 162 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 3: Joe Biden is Joe Biden, meaning if Biden wants to 163 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 3: be the nominee, He's going to be the nominee. Right, 164 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: So to your point, it would have to be that 165 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: someone gets in and Biden allows that to be the 166 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 3: moment that he steps back and says I'm out and 167 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 3: throws his back into that person. Because here's what they 168 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 3: can have, and this goes to the incumbency issue. What 169 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: you can have is a serious challenge from within the 170 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: Democrat party against Joe Biden, who then makes the case 171 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: against Biden that he's too old. It's not gonna work. 172 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: He's a crepit, et cetera. And maybe it's unsuccessful, but 173 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: he wounds the Biden presidency in the process. And you 174 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 3: don't have to do that much given the numbers we're seeing, 175 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: and then you're effectively handing the election to Trump, right, 176 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 3: So it would have to be almost a choreographed The 177 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 3: Democrat comes in, Biden accepts it. 178 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: And Clay, let's look at these politicians we've. 179 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: Seen, whether it's Feinstein or Pelosi or McConnell or go 180 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: down the list. They never want to give it up. 181 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 3: They never step away from power, and I don't think 182 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: Joe Biden's about to, certainly now with the sun facing 183 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: federal prison. 184 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: Which well, yeah, which in Politico suddenly said, hey wait, 185 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff here. 186 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 2: You see that story suddenly coming out. 187 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: But I think it almost has to be like an 188 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: intervention buck, you know how Unfortunately I've never had to 189 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: be involved, but I've seen enough stories about them. Somebody 190 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: has an alcohol or drug problem, and you know, they 191 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: walk into the living room and suddenly they are twenty people. 192 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: We've all seen it, We've all seen how it's structured. 193 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: Sure, I think that you would need multiple Democrat contenders 194 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: to all say Joe, we're getting and in the race. 195 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, JB. Pritzker, Gretchen Whitmer, and they all say, 196 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, we're going to enter the race, but 197 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: we don't want to be seen as forcing you or 198 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: even running against you. We want you to have the 199 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: opportunity to step out first. 200 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 3: It turns into like the end of Game of Thrones, 201 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: which unfortunately you really just should have stopped watching after 202 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: the stat of the Battle of the Bastards and like 203 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 3: the last two seasons, just don't even waste your time. 204 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: But it's the end of Game of Thrones. It's like, well, 205 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: who's going to be the king now? Because you've got 206 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 3: all these people who all think they should be the 207 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 3: king in this process that you're talking about, where you 208 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: have a bunch of Democrats that let's say, do the 209 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 3: intervention with Biden. First of all, I don't believe Joe Biden. 210 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: Will listen to them. 211 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 3: I think Joe Biden still thinks he's got more in 212 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 3: the tank, and if that's. 213 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: His position, that's his position, right. 214 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: I think that he views it as in his mind, 215 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: he pushes through for one more year and he gets 216 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 3: to pass the torch. He gets to pass the mantle 217 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 3: of democracy to the first black female president of the 218 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: Democrat Party, and that becomes a Biden legacy that will forever. 219 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 3: All the Hunter Biden stuff and all that that all 220 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 3: just gets, you know, pushed aside, and Biden becomes the 221 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 3: Trump Trump defeature and the first, uh, you know, effectively 222 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: the man who brought about the first black female presidency 223 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 3: in America. I think that he views that as his 224 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 3: legacy and he's not going to give that up for anything. 225 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 3: Clay that All said, that all said, let's come back. 226 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 3: We gotta be talking about it. We got to be 227 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 3: talking about this. Let's come back into this. Also want 228 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 3: to hear from all of you on this one. I 229 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: know a bunch of you are. 230 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: Going to agree with Clay. 231 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 4: You're gonna say, oh, it's gonna be Gavin Newsomer, Michelle Obama. 232 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 2: Get ready for you today, folks, because I'm feisty on 233 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 2: this one. 234 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 3: So if you're gonna call in and make that case, 235 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 3: you better be ready for the buckster eight hundred two 236 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: A two two eight eight two. You worked hard to 237 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: build your retirement savings. You deserve an investment that delivers 238 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: consistent returns without compromising your financial security. 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This is an incumbent president everybody with 256 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: ninety percent, ninety five percent of the media in his 257 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: back pocket, and he's down in all the keyswing states. 258 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,239 Speaker 3: A year out from election day. It is certainly a 259 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 3: five alarm fire, as the Wall Street Journal called it. 260 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: It is a wake up call, as ABC's Jonathan Carl says, 261 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 3: for Democrats, this is five play it. 262 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: Look, this is a wake up call. 263 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 5: This is frightening for not just the Biden Whitehouse, not 264 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 5: just for Democrats, but for anybody who fears what a 265 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 5: return to a Trump presidency would mean. 266 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: He can win. 267 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 5: I don't think that voters have come to terms with 268 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 5: what he is talking about doing. He is talking about 269 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 5: a campaign of revenge and retribution. There was a fascinating 270 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 5: story that is consistent with my reporting in the Washington Post, 271 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 5: talking about how he wants to go out and prosecute 272 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 5: his political opponents, not just Democrats, but people that served him. 273 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 5: John Kelly is former chief of staff, Mattis, his former 274 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 5: Defense secretary, Bill Barr, his former attorney general. 275 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: Are voters really ready to sign up for that? 276 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: The answer is a lot of voters are, And I 277 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: think that play This is the first time that we 278 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: have seen the Democrat establishment. I think wake up call 279 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 3: is a good way to put it. It's an obvious 280 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: way to put it. Uh Trump can win. This thing 281 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: irrespective of all the all the trials and everything else. 282 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: Now there is that data saying that he would lose 283 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: a lot of support if he was convicted. 284 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. 285 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: I find that hard to believe because because all the 286 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: data for the indicty, Like why, indictments make his numbers 287 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 3: go up, but a conviction would make his numbers go down. 288 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: I mean maybe, but that that to me, I'd have 289 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 3: to see it to believe it. Yeah, I don't believe 290 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: that would happen. By the way, is that Jonathan Carl? Wait, 291 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: only hear's what Joe Biden is doing. Trump's gonna go 292 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: after his political enemies. 293 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: And you, oh really, oh really, Jonathan, But why do 294 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: you see what Joe Biden is doing. This is why 295 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: I feel, on some level, why there almost has to 296 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: be a collective repudiation of Joe Biden in the intervention style, 297 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: where all these guys come forward, maybe some gals too, 298 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: and say we're going to run. 299 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: We're not going to make it public. 300 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: But the only way for Joe Biden to have some 301 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: measure of solace is if he were stepping down, he 302 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: could claim victory. He could say he's too old, he 303 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: could say he's ready for a new generation. The other 304 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: thing I wonder, Buck this is my football analogy, coaching analogy. 305 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: If he actually got along with Kamala Harris, which I 306 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: don't think he does. A part of me wonders sometimes 307 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: a coach will step down at the last possible moment 308 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: it's the next job, instead of somebody else. 309 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: Getting the job. 310 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: If Joe Biden came out and said in like June, hey, 311 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: it's time to pass the batime, Kamala Harris is the 312 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: choice that would But I don't think he likes Kamala Harris. 313 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's the only way. That's the only way 314 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 3: this happens. That's the only way this happens. I don't know. 315 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: You know, you look at the schedul rules, you look 316 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 3: at the machinery that would need to be in place 317 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 3: for these different candidates, and. 318 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 2: It wouldn't be easy. I mean, who knows what. 319 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 3: The Democrat electorate would do if you had all these 320 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 3: different candidates. I mean think about how that would change 321 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: the messaging and the momentum of everything that they cannot 322 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 3: afford nor can they even really stage a real primary. 323 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 3: So with that in mind, the only options are Biden 324 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 3: steps down and gives it to Kamala to take over, 325 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: which I think is that is the only Plan B 326 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 3: that exists in my mind for them. The other one 327 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 3: would be something at the convention. But again, there's no 328 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 3: great unity candidate who takes on Trump from the convention 329 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: that they have, you know, unless you. 330 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: Think Obama is pulling the threads and it's Michelle Obama. 331 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: She doesn't have to campaign. 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Andy, when you see 364 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: all the numbers, and I know you read the battleground 365 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: poll result, and we're one year out from the twenty 366 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: twenty four election, are you of the Let's presume that 367 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: Jack Smith gets his trial with Judge Chuckkin in March, 368 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: and that they get a result likely would be a 369 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: felony conviction for Donald Trump. What happens then, And both 370 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: Buck and myself are increasingly of the opinion that it 371 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: almost feels baked in and that nobody's really going to 372 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: change their opinions very much. How would you assess this, 373 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: not only from a legal perspective but from a political 374 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: one where we sit today one year out. 375 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 6: Well, I think a lot play depends on what comes 376 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 6: out at that trial. 377 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 7: But I also I'm not as confident. 378 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 6: As others are that the trial is actually going to happen, 379 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 6: certainly that it's going to happen on time, because I 380 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 6: think this immunity issue that Trump has raised, even though 381 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 6: he may not prevail on it in the end, and 382 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 6: it's a more interesting issue than I think a lot 383 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 6: of people have given at the back of the hands 384 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 6: have allowed. But the cases I've write about it indicate 385 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 6: that you can get that appeal to the Court of 386 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 6: Appeals and even to the Supreme Court. And if that happens, 387 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 6: then I think all bets are off as far as 388 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 6: getting that case to trial, And I do agree with 389 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 6: you that that's the case where it's most likely that 390 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 6: he gets convicted. 391 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 7: Oddly, I've always thought the. 392 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 6: Stronger case is the one down in Florida. 393 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 7: But I think he's got a better chance of beating. 394 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 6: That the judge and the jury pool than he has 395 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 6: in Washington, where it's clear the judges hostile to him 396 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 6: and it'll be a DC jury. 397 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 7: But I'm not sure that case it's the trial. 398 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: Okay, this is interesting too. 399 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: So Buck and I have been talking about this, as 400 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: everybody in this world has, and I said, I thought 401 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: over under one maybe one and a half was the 402 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: number of trials that might happen in twenty twenty four. 403 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: I think Dershowitz said earlier like all four are going 404 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: to happen. I think that's crazy. What would you set 405 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: the over under on completed trials between now and twenty 406 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: twenty four election day one year from now, as it 407 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: pertains to the Trump criminal cases out there, all four 408 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: of them. 409 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm going to probably contradict myself because I think 410 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 6: you asked me this once before and I said two. 411 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 6: So I'm going to say one, yeah, just because I'm 412 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 6: not sure that I was more confident that the Washington 413 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 6: one would get to trial, just because I think the 414 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 6: prosecutor the judge are helpent on getting into trial but 415 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 6: if he can get it to the Court of Appeals, 416 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 6: then it kind of is out of their control. 417 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: Speaking of Anny McCarthy of a National Review and Andy, So, 418 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 3: do you think that the mean the Democrats If you 419 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 3: look at the polling and the numbers that we've been 420 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: working through today about where things stand politically, it feels 421 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 3: like the entire Biden twenty twenty four campaign hinges right 422 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: now on whether they can get a conviction of Trump, 423 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 3: and that that changes numbers in a significant way. 424 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 2: I mean, one, do you think they're going to be 425 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: able to get a conviction in two? Do you think 426 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: that'll actually change the numbers significantly? 427 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 6: Well, I think if they get the Washington case to trial, 428 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 6: they will get a conviction. If they get the Florida 429 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 6: case to trial, they have a good chance of getting 430 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 6: a conviction. But it's no layout because I think that's 431 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 6: very pool is favorable to Trump. I'm not a believer 432 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 6: buck in the idea that the snapshot of pulling that 433 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 6: we saw over the weekend is necessarily means that that's 434 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 6: what it's going to look like, say, eight. 435 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 7: Months from now. I really think that there that there. 436 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 6: Is a blizzard coming for Trump, that they have been. 437 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 6: You know, it looks like they're starting to shoot earlier 438 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 6: now because they're obviously worried about Biden. But I think 439 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 6: we're going to get a deluge of bad advertising against 440 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 6: Trump like nobody's ever seen before. They're obviously hoping that 441 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 6: that will be added to by the evidence in these 442 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 6: trials and the potential conviction. But I think, just like 443 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 6: you know, well, some of the crazier stuff that Trump 444 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 6: has said on for example, on his social media post 445 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 6: posting you know, you're going to get that on a 446 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 6: loop again and again and again. Right now, not too 447 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 6: many people have seen that because not too many, you 448 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 6: know that just aren't that many people who are on 449 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 6: truth social But by the end, by the middle of 450 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 6: next year, everybody's going to have seen it. I just 451 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 6: think I wouldn't put too much into the into the 452 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 6: polling that we're seeing now because I've said, I've been 453 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 6: saying this for two years, so it's not a it's 454 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 6: not a change of any kind. I think the Democrats 455 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 6: want us to think Trump can win at this point 456 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 6: because they want him to be nominated. They think he's 457 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 6: a guy that Biden can beat. And I'm not sure 458 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 6: Biden's going to be the candidate. 459 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask you next. Do 460 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: you think Biden is going to be the guy? 461 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 7: Well, man, I gotta say. 462 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 6: When I saw that thing from Axelrod yesterday where he 463 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 6: was basically suggesting that Biden get out. You know, axel 464 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 6: Rod is a heavy duty player on the Democrats side, uh, 465 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 6: and he's very close to Obama. 466 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 7: It's hard for me to believe that he would have, 467 00:24:59,280 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 7: you know, put. 468 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 6: That out there, bring it with other people first. Now, 469 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 6: I know he's an independent thinker and an independent actor 470 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 6: and all that stuff. So maybe he's just shooting from 471 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 6: the hip, but I think that's a pretty significant expression of, 472 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 6: if not a descent, at least anxiety on their part. 473 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 6: And you know, you start losing if he If Biden 474 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 6: loses Obama, I don't see how he can hang on. 475 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 6: And I really think, you know, I understand everybody says 476 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 6: how difficult it would be to like move Kamala Harris 477 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 6: out and shove Biden aside if he doesn't want to go. 478 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 6: But I got you know, desperate times call for desperate measures, 479 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 6: and these guys want to win. 480 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 7: So I'm I would say. 481 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 6: You know, maybe fifty fifty Biden's the candidate, and that 482 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 6: depends on his health. 483 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 7: It also depends on. 484 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 6: I wrote a column over thee about the Biden China stuff, 485 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 6: which thanks to Comer's Committee is starting to get more traction, 486 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 6: and you fill in what we already knew with more 487 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 6: financial details. But that's a scandalous story and in a 488 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 6: normal situation, that by itself, without even the Barisma stuff 489 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 6: and the other China stuff and all the other stuff 490 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 6: we've learned about the Biden family business, that by itself, 491 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 6: the fact that the Bidens not only cashed in from 492 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 6: millions and millions of dollars with the CEFC thing, but 493 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 6: also that CEFC was actually an arm of the Chinese 494 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 6: government and an intelligence operation that our FBI actually broke 495 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 6: up in twenty eighteen, that would not be survivable in 496 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 6: a normal situation. 497 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 3: So just a Orman's clare, Andy, the Bidens were getting 498 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 3: money from its Chinese intelligence front. 499 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to put it that way because it 500 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 4: seems like a big deal to me, like as a 501 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 4: former CIA guy, like that's the kind of thing that 502 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 4: would be that would send some red flags up to 503 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 4: the seventh floor. 504 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 7: Yeah. 505 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 6: Well, I said my column over the weekend that it 506 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 6: turns out that after three years of a bogus claim 507 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 6: that Trump was a clandestine agent of a foreign tower, 508 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 6: it turns out that Biden actually was a clandestine agent 509 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 6: of a foreign tower. And I'm not trying to be 510 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 6: gratuitously provocative. You know, it's not my thing to just 511 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 6: say things to get attention. But I don't know how 512 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 6: you look at that thing when you analyze that CEFC 513 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 6: is China. It was threaded with Chinese Communist Party officials. 514 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 6: It existed because the g regime allowed it to exist. 515 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 6: Its top executives were emissaries for g in very capacities 516 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 6: and context. It was an arm of China, and they 517 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 6: reeled the Bidens in and they paid them six million 518 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 6: dollars over just a year, including paying Hunter Biden a million. 519 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 6: Did I say billion, I meant million with an M. 520 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 6: But they paid Hunter Biden a million dollars to snoop 521 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 6: around and find out what they had on this guy 522 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 6: Patrick Coe, who was the guy that Hunter called the 523 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 6: efing spy chief of China. 524 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 7: But he was the he was the main guy that. 525 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 6: Our Justice Department and FBI had under investigation. And we 526 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 6: come to find out that it was a finvate investigation. 527 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 6: They actually realized that the CEFCF that was an intelligence 528 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 6: arm of the Chinese government. They paid the Biden six 529 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 6: million dollars. 530 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: That's all, blockbuster. Last question for you, Andy, Keep up 531 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: the good work. By the way, I'm curious you're talking 532 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: about the Appeals Court reviewing some of the claims that 533 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: I think has received not enough attention that actually are 534 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: very legitimate, that have been filed by the Trump defense. 535 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: Assess this idea. 536 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: What if the Supreme Court basically tries to drag this out, 537 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: schedule some sort of hearing, but ensure that they don't 538 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: have to issue a ruling before the actual election, knowing 539 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: that Trump would probably try and certainly pardon himself in 540 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: the federal cases in the event that he won. But 541 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: basically they're going to use some sort of dilatory tactic 542 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: designed to keep the cases from actually going to trial, 543 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: Schedule oral arguments that sort of thing, maybe for early October, 544 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: with the understanding that they can then wait for the election. 545 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: Do you think basically the Supreme Court might try to 546 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: punt on making a decision to avoid jumping into the 547 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: political realm, but could use its a ability to basically 548 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: drag out this and keep the cases from going to court. 549 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, play, I think that absolutely would happen. I think 550 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 6: that the Roberts Court, and particularly the Chief Justice has 551 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 6: no interest in meshing the Supreme Court in the electoral 552 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 6: politics of twenty twenty four. And if they have a 553 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 6: chance to decline to hear the case, because it's the 554 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 6: Supreme Court's preference to hear everything at the end, after 555 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 6: there's already been a trial in the lower courts and 556 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 6: an appeal in the lower courts, they'll do that. 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Go to preborn 583 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 3: dot com, slash buck that's preborn dot com, slash b 584 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 3: u c K sponsors need. 585 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: A break from politics, a little comedy to counter the craziness. 586 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: The Sunday Hang a weekend podcast to lighten. 587 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 2: Things up a bit. 588 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: Find it in the Clay and Buck podcast feed on 589 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts. 590 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 3: Welcome back to I want to tell you where we're 591 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: going here in the next hour and then dive into 592 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 3: some of your phone calls. 593 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 2: Momentarily. 594 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 3: We'll have Congressman Jim Jordan with us in the middle 595 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 3: of the next hour, talking to him about some important 596 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 3: things that are going on in this country up in 597 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 3: DC Capitol Hill. 598 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: All that stuff. 599 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 3: Plus we will discuss and credit to Stephen Crowder and 600 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 3: his team for publishing three pages of the Nashville Trends 601 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 3: terrorist manifesto. There are three pages that are reportedly we've 602 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 3: read them, I mean these purportedly from the Nashville trans 603 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 3: manifesto Transhuter Manifesto, and we will tell you what is 604 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 3: in it. And like I said, this was a story 605 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 3: broken by Stephen Crowder. So we'll get into some of that. 606 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 3: Let let's take some of your calls here as we 607 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 3: said we would. Robin in Columbus, Robin, what have you 608 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 3: got for us? 609 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 8: Okay? I agree with mister McCarthy. I think the Democrats 610 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 8: want Donald Trump to be the Republican candidate because they 611 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 8: know he's the only one that Biden can beat, people 612 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 8: will come out and vote against Donald Trump. And I 613 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 8: think as a Republican, if you hear that someone is 614 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 8: so far ahead in the polls in the primaries, you 615 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 8: don't bother to even turn out because you feel my 616 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 8: candidate doesn't have a chance. So the more they say 617 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 8: that he's so far ahead in the polls, it's a 618 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,239 Speaker 8: psychology against the Republican voters choosing someone else who's a 619 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 8: better candidate for now. And I'm a Trump voter. I've 620 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 8: voted for him twice. 621 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: So who's your candidate right now? 622 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 8: It would be either Nicky Haley or Ron DeSantis. 623 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: Okay, Look, I mean, look, the primary process is still 624 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: playing out. We got a debate on Wednesday, Buck and 625 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: I will be down in Miami. We're going to continue 626 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: to have a lot of different candidates on the program. 627 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: And as we have said for a year now, basically 628 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: half this audience is all in on Trump and half 629 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: is willing or right now supporting someone else. I've said 630 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: on this show, and I think you've disagreed with at 631 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,479 Speaker 1: least one of them. I think there are a bunch 632 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: of Republicans that would beat Biden. Like I don't buy 633 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: into this idea that only Trump could win. I think 634 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: Biden would lose to Trump. I think right now the 635 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: election work today. I think he would lose to DeSantis. 636 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: I think he would lose to Nicky Haley, and I 637 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: think he would lose to Vive g Ramaswami. To me, 638 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: Biden's weakness is the bigger story than any Republican strength. 639 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: That's what the polls are telling us right now, is 640 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: that people have made up their mind. 641 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 3: I have shared, at different points a lot of Andy's thoughts, 642 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 3: meaning I've agreed with a lot of the thoughts that 643 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 3: he said on air a few moments ago on this. 644 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 3: I do think that they want I do think the 645 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 3: Democrats want it to be Donald Trump. What I've been saying, 646 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 3: and I think Clay agrees, and what we've been therefore, 647 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 3: what we've been saying is they could be wrong in 648 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 3: wanting in wanting Trump. The numbers certainly right now indicate that. 649 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 3: But we are a year out, and as I keep saying, 650 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 3: and Andy mentioned this as well, I think he said 651 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 3: there's like a tsunami of just OPO and media, and 652 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 3: I think that's true. I think that the Democrats it 653 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 3: may be Okay, here's base what's going on. If having 654 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 3: Trump as the nominee is a trap for Republicans, it 655 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 3: may be too early to see that. 656 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 2: And that may be the point. 657 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 3: Right effectively, at this stage, it looks great because they 658 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 3: want it to look great, because they have not started 659 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 3: to run the destroy Trump playbook. That would be the 660 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 3: argument against this. 661 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: What I would push back on that buck is they've 662 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: already spent twenty five million dollars in the Swing States 663 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 1: and Biden's numbers are coming down. 664 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 2: What I am seeing is most people. 665 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: Have made up their minds about Trump, and most people 666 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: have made up their minds about Biden. And there are 667 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people that don't particularly like Trump personally, 668 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: that thought he was pretty good at the job. In 669 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: other words, their own family and their own life was 670 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: better under Trump pre COVID, which I don't think people 671 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: blame Trump for, and you can't because COVID just happens 672 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 1: in March of twenty twenty in this country. But you 673 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: go back to January and February of twenty twenty, almost 674 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: everyone listening to us right now was in better shape 675 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: financially in terms of their life than they are right now. 676 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: That's what pollsters are saying, and now I think the 677 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: ultimate weakness of Biden, and we'll talk about this. We 678 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: got to talk about this transhuter manifested. Yeah, let's get 679 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: into that coming up here, and we'll get back to. 680 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 2: The weakness of Biden. He ain't getting better, Buck, He's 681 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 2: only gonna get worse.