1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Player's 3 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: Lounge broadcasting line from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. 4 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: Now your hosts, Barry Church, Danny McCray, and Newey Scrugs. 5 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: Here we go Thursday Players Lounge, brought to you by 6 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Hotels dot Com on Newy Scrugs, longtime Cowboys reporter, joined 7 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: by former safety's Barry Church and Danny McCray. We've got 8 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: forty five minutes of professional football talkwee key in on 9 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys who have a noon game against the 10 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine Ers on Sunday. That means I 11 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: gotta get out of the house, like nine thirty to 12 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: get on down here for this game. So yeah, it 13 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: was supposed to be a Sunday night game on NBC. 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: You know, seven o'clock, waiting all day for Sunday night. 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: Now it's get on up in the morning and get 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: ready for a brunch kickoff game between the Cowboys at 17 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: forty nine ers. Maybe you're not bothered by it. Clearly 18 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: Jalen Smith and the Cowboys not bothering him at all. 19 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: As Jalen was asked about this, and he said, quote, 20 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: if the owner ain't tripping, we good talking about being 21 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: from prime time to the noon game and being flexed 22 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: out four Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Cleveland and 23 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: the New York Giants. Gentleman, I'm just gonna read to you. 24 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read to you what one gentleman told me. Okay, 25 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: I asked. I asked a veteran, a person who's been 26 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: around the Cowboys for a long time, knows Jerry Jones 27 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: very well. And I sent I sit the same thing 28 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: I said to you guys that I retweeted Twitter, and 29 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: this person said, noon starts are the graveyard of mediocrity, 30 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: the weekly home of the non contenders. The Cowboys have 31 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: embraced their new identity sad thoughts. I'm gonna tell you what, man, 32 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: you write it, But whoever told you that was right 33 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: about the mediocracy thing? Because I tell you what. When 34 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: I was in Jacksonville, that's all we had was twelve 35 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: o'clock games. I mean, we scratched it. We clawed to 36 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: try to get even the three o'clock afternoons start, and 37 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: I think we had maybe two of those throughout my 38 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: whole time down there in Jacksonville. So this is not 39 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: where the Cowboys want to be. I mean, this is 40 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: supposed to be America's team. This is supposed to be 41 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: the ratings are supposed to be spiked when the Cowboys 42 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: touched the field. But I mean, I guess, I guess 43 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: the Lord's gone. I mean, when you go four and 44 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: nine so far this season, I mean things start to 45 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: get snatched away from you. Then now we got the 46 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: Sunday Night getting pulled for Cleveland and New York game. 47 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean, how the Mighty have fallen? D Mac, How 48 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: the Mighty have fallen? You know, listen, it's the first 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: time Rights, it's a rough season. You don't have Dak. 50 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: You know, your team's underperforming. In Cleveland, all of a 51 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: sudden is playing well enough to be flexed on Sunday 52 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: Night because this may be the first year they've been 53 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: in the playoffs since since I don't know when, you know, 54 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 1: So this is a really big game. I don't think 55 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: this is something that will continue to happen to the 56 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. I mean, this is this is one of 57 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: the off years. So I think Jalen was okay with 58 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: his response. Was I think worded wrong. But he should 59 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: not be worried about being flexed to twelve o'clock now, 60 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: he should be worried about playing the best football that 61 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: he could play. I don't think it's that big of 62 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: a deal. But you know, like NEWI said, it's never happened. 63 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: So this is a sign that, you know, the same 64 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: old stuff that happens with the Cowboys to where you 65 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: can you can be below five hundred team and people 66 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: still gonna watch and all that stuff. This may be 67 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: changing so that this may be that little kicking the 68 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: butt that we need, you know, to to get things 69 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: right so we can stay in those promtime games. Here's 70 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: my fault process. When I hear what Jalen says, and 71 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: I'll repeat it. If the Yonner ain't tripping, we good. 72 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: Yeah it was very wrong, but he said it all wrong. 73 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: The thought process through the years has been, hey, forget 74 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: the head coach, because when these guys have a direct 75 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: line to Jerry, that's what they care about. Don't care 76 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: what the head coach says. And this goes back to 77 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: Troy Aikman, who hated Chan Gailey's offense and was straight 78 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: to the Jerry to get Jan Gailey gone. Dion Sanders 79 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: had that pipeline, and Romo had that pipeline, And it 80 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: just seems as though from what I'm reading from this 81 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: with Jaylen Smith is say, hey man, you know, Jerry's cool. 82 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: You know Jerry and I cool. I got my contract. Man. 83 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: You don't forget it. No, no, man has some personal pride. 84 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: Your season is so bad that the one network who 85 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: always wants you on and said, yeah, man, we can't 86 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: even put these dudes on. You're that bad. And you're like, 87 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: hey man, it's cool, it's cool, it's down. What is 88 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: this supposed to say? What? Like? What what would be 89 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: your ideal response to that? To that question, the fact 90 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: that they asked him to question anybody, but what would 91 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: be your ideal response? He should have said. He should 92 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: have said, you know what, you know, that's something I 93 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: can't control. Unfocused on the game in San Francisco. That's 94 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: what That's all he had to say. And let it go. 95 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: Take that. I mean, what the guy over there talking about, 96 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, if he and I could pitch. I didn't 97 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: see this, but I can picture how he handled it. 98 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: I can see him just laughing about it. Hey, Well, 99 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: look man, what Jerry said he ain't say, man, I 100 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: ain't worried about it. Then, like that whole non chalant 101 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: adtitude from one of your leaders is just something you 102 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: can't have. I mean, and we wonder why the Cowboys 103 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: a fourule nine right now, and we wonder why the 104 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: Cowboys have one of the worst defenses in NFL history. 105 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: I mean, when you got guys doing things like this, 106 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: it's just it's just it ain't gonna work out. It's 107 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: just not Is that? Is that? Is that an acceptable 108 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: answer for you knew it? So here's more. I gonna 109 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: give you more from Jalen Smith. This comes from Michael 110 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: Gelkin o the Dallas Morning News. Jalen said, quote, Honestly, 111 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know that until now. My thoughts right now, 112 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: this is my thoughts right off the top, is it's 113 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: a business. I don't focus on what's happening in the future. 114 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm embracing each moment each day. So that was more 115 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: from his thoughts about the Cowboys being moved from prime 116 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: time with the forty nine er. But I'm just telling 117 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: you my opinion. And I've seen this a lot longer 118 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: than you guys, because I've covered this team going back 119 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: to when Jimmy Johnson was head coach. Is this mentality 120 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: of dudes thinking, hey man, I'm just I'm just taking 121 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: whatever Jerry says. It's cool. I'll just play off that. 122 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: And also this acceptance of hey man, we're at the 123 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: twelve o'clock spot now, I mean, this is I remember 124 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: years when the Cowboys may have hell he had, you know, 125 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: one or two twelve o'clock starts. I remember when I 126 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: had a new boss at TV and this guy had 127 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: once worked in Minnesota, and he was trying to tell 128 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: me that, hey, what you need to do is go 129 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: to these games in the NFC East, fly home immediately 130 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: after and come to the late show. And I had 131 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: to explain to him, Dude, in Minnesota, you guys played 132 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: a lot of noon games. This is the Cowboys. Most 133 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: of the games are gonna start at three o'clock if 134 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: it's not a seven o'clock. Can you know the Cowboys 135 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: are America's team. They don't play a lot of protect 136 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: game why because the networks want them on. The networks 137 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: fight to keep them on. And when you get dropped 138 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: down to this and you're just like, hey man, it's 139 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: all good, it's cool. I just find that just like 140 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: what this person said. This is accepting mediocrity, dandy, and 141 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: that's how I feel about it. It should be accepting mediocrity. Listen, 142 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: I feel you listen, And like I said, I think 143 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: his response was off the beginning of it. Anyways, I 144 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: like the second part that you read. I really don't. 145 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: As a competitor and knowing some of these guys just 146 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: just a little bit, I don't think that they're really 147 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: accepting it. I mean, the question was asked, he started 148 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: off wrong, he finished it right. I think that if 149 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 1: it does still bother them to be flexed to twelve 150 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: and they're gonna be losing and going four and nine 151 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So I don't think they're accepting. 152 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: I think they want to be better. You know, sometimes 153 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: it just doesn't show on the field. But I you know, 154 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not gonna put this against Jayalon Smith 155 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: to say that he's accepting the fact that there four 156 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: or nine he's collecting this check and that he's just 157 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: gonna go on about his business because because Jerry say 158 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: it's fine. Because one thing we do know new it 159 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: Jerry is not okay with this. Well, it's it's interesting, 160 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: so speaking of this game against the forty Nineers, in 161 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: which the Niners are five and eight Cowboys or five 162 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: nine San Francisco favorite in this football game by three. Defensively, 163 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: what should the game plan be to stop this Niners 164 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: football team and the witch that you're gonna have to 165 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: match up against Kyle Shannahan, the head coach who calls 166 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: a place, who's very good at it. Well, look, I 167 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: think something that we're gonna that we're gonna have to 168 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: do that we haven't done pretty much all season, and 169 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: that's just played decent run defense. I mean, look, take 170 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: a page out of Marry Nelly's book. Whatever you gotta do, 171 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: get some stunting going on, get something to keep these 172 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: line back is clear to where they can just go 173 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: out there and make plays. Because we know Kyle Shanahan 174 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: loves the run game and he's creative with it. And 175 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: what did we see last time we went against a 176 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: creative run team in Baltimore? They gash just with all 177 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: those pulling guards, the ghosts, motions, the counter looks. That's 178 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: all right up. Kyle Shanahan's allie. He's creative when it 179 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: comes to the run game. And they got three running 180 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: backs back there that can tote the rock, and you 181 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: know that's all they're gonna do when it comes to 182 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: this defense, because we haven't stopped it all years. So 183 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: that if it's my game playing and I'm going out 184 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: there with this Cowboys defense, I'm stacking the box. Man. 185 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: I don't believe it. Either Mullins or Beth back there 186 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: at quarterback. I know they got Auka or I'm sorry 187 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: I butchered his name, but they got the right receiver 188 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: over there, they got the rookie receiver a Yuk out there, 189 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: they got Deepo Samuel. But I just don't trust the 190 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: quarterback play. So I gotta stack the box because I 191 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: know Kyle Shannonhame is gonna come with some type of 192 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: creative run scheme to take advantage of our linebackers and 193 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: try to confuse our linebackers and go out there and 194 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: get big games. We have to stop the run if 195 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: we won any part of winning this game. And that's 196 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: just defensively. I mean another fact. We're talking about the 197 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: offense another time, but defensively, we have got to stop 198 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: the run or at least play okay run defense. Talk 199 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: about talk about wishful thinking, all right, This is if 200 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: you have to put out a game plan, like you said, Church, 201 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: if you have to put one out, if you have 202 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: to go into the lab and try to figure out 203 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: something to do, you're going to say, yes, the same 204 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: thing that we've been trying to get done for the 205 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: first thirteen weeks of the season. Stop the run, dude. 206 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: I think it's going to happen. Absolutely not. Like you said. 207 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: This is one of the most creative running the tacks 208 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: in the NFL. He's going to find their way to 209 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: maximize any advantage that he has, and he's going to 210 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: take advantage of the fact that we have not been 211 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: able to stop the run. Inside. Our linebackers are catching 212 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: on blocks in their eyes, they're seeing too much, so 213 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: they're going this way and chasing stuff that they shouldn't 214 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: be chasing. They're going to take advantage of all that, 215 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: and unfortunately our secondary really hasn't played enough to stop 216 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: even second to thirteen or quarterback. So it's going to 217 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: be a run day for us. So the offense is 218 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: going to have to save us. That's that's my offices, 219 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: that's my defensive game plan. Going there and talk to 220 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton and Kellen Moore and say, look, bro, y'all. Y'all, 221 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: y'all do what y'all can to keep us off the field. 222 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: And I think I think we can. We can make 223 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: a couple of big, big plays for y'all because they 224 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: have been able to turn the ball over for the 225 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: last few weeks. So will they put three linebackers on 226 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: the football field something they didn't do against the Ravens? Yes, 227 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: I would. I mean, look at me. I would. I 228 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: put I put Jal, and I put LV out there, 229 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: and I put Sean Lee out there. I mean, just 230 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: for the simple fact that if any of those linebackers 231 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: can dissect or run and try to help this this 232 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: defense going forward, it's Sean Lee. I mean he might 233 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: not have the physical attributes to go out there and 234 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: be a game destructor like he used to be in 235 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: the past, but he can at least get these linebackers 236 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: lined up and going in the right direction, because we're 237 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: gonna need to. I mean, we've seen what happens when 238 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: these guys are going out there reading their keys. They're 239 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: looking at way too much. And when you and Danny 240 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: said it, when you look at a lot, you see 241 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: a little, and when you see a little, you see 242 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: a lot, And That's what I think Sean Lee can 243 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: provide with this linebacking corps and hopefully just hopefully go 244 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: out there and do something against the run. Just don't 245 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,599 Speaker 1: let a guy coming off the street rush for a 246 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: hundred yards like we did against Cleveland and like we 247 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: did against all these other teams. I mean, it's just 248 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: it's hard come we just we just talked about Shanahan 249 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: being one of the most creative guys when it comes 250 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: to call it plays. If you plan on going out 251 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: there and running your base package for the entire game, 252 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: you are going to get ran out of the stadium. 253 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: I can get first second down. Where do they come 254 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: out of What did they say, Hey, we're gonna maximize 255 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: the fact that you know, we're gonna take a man 256 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: into LV and jayals Smith. We're gonna come out an 257 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: eleven personnel and we're still gonna run power, We're still 258 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: gonna run counter, We're still gonna run zone read. Are 259 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: you putting your three linebackers out there when they personnel 260 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: on first second down? I could live with with Mullins 261 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: and better trying to beat us with our arm I 262 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: can live with that. If they go out there and 263 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: throw for three hundred and beat us because we're in 264 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: base and they're in the eleven person up. I can 265 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: live with that, But if we go out there and 266 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: base and they're still just trumping going down the field 267 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: on us, I mean, it's that's disheartening. That's like a 268 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: stab in the heart right there. So I can live 269 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: with the throwing, but I just can't. I can't do 270 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: running up the gut for three hundred some yards and 271 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: I just can't do it. You hear this, do it? 272 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: You hear this. We've been known to give up the 273 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: run for the entire season, so this week we'd rather 274 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: stop the run and let Nick Mullins beat us. Now, 275 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm saying, listen, when you stop to run all year, 276 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: so why don't we figure out how to do what 277 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: we've been able to do sometimes turn the ball over 278 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: and cover some of these receivers because you listen. Like 279 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: I said, wishful thinking for you to be able to 280 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: think that you're gonna be able to turn into a 281 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: run stopping team this week against a team that knows 282 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: they're on their backum quarterbacks, so they have to run 283 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: the ball. So here's a crazy question, because you guys 284 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: mentioned base defense, do you think they'll start tak Lawrence 285 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: this week because when they ran out based defense last 286 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: week against Cincinnati, he had to run off the field 287 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: because he says he's not a a the base defense man. 288 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: They better start d law I'll tell you that right now. 289 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: He's been the most consistent player of these past couple 290 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: of weeks. He sparked the whole defenses takeaways last week 291 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: by punching the ball out. He's your energy player, he's 292 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: your guy. You paid him twenty some million dollars. There's 293 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: no way in hell he should be on the sidelines 294 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: to start this game. I don't care if you run 295 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: out of base Nickel, DN, special teams, whatever it is. 296 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: He needs to be on the field to start this game. Yeah, okay, 297 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: he's got He should, he should, he should. Ain't no way, 298 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: the hesitation, the hesitation of my voice. Let you know 299 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: what's been going on in all season. We have no idea. 300 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: They've been hiding stuff since training camp, trying to trying 301 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: to be all incock. Need a lot. Let not let 302 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: people know what's going on, and all of a sudden 303 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: they run out here. Don't start taking Lawrence. They hide 304 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: too much, man, Let us see it. So somebody can 305 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: tell you, Hey, bro, what y'all doing is wrong during 306 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: the week. Y'all need to go ahead and re evaluate 307 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: that before y'all get to the game all Sunday, because 308 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: that ain't making no sense. All right, let's take our 309 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: first break. Danny McCray wants a timeline met on the 310 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy Air. 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Cowboys are four A 357 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: nine hosting San Francisco forty nine ers Sunday at high 358 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: noon at AT and T Stadium. All Right, Danny and 359 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: our topics before the show. Wanted to know and wants 360 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: a timeline on Mike McCarthy and when Mike McCarthy is 361 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: going to produce a deep playoff run and possibly a 362 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: Super Bowl run, and when I got the question, absolutely laughed. 363 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: I laughed at it. Let's just say Barrett, Okay, here's 364 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: why I laughed at it. TCU once hired a basketball coach. 365 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: His name was Trent Johnson, and I asked, Trent, how 366 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: long before you make the NCAA tournament? Got a timeline 367 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: at all? And he gave kind of a terse answer 368 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: that afterwards, when I meant to go meet him the 369 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: press coffy and say, oh, yeah, you're the one that 370 00:18:55,040 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 1: asked that dumb ass question. Why is it a dumb question? 371 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: It's like you can't put no timeline on making a tournament. 372 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, what I remember when Jimmy Valvano took 373 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: over NC State said they went NAS Championship. Four years 374 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: they end up win NAS Championship. So I'm sorry. You 375 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: got a contract, and in your contract, is it legitimate 376 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: to ask you when you think you'll take this team 377 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: to an NCAA tournament. I mean, I don't think that's 378 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: a crazy question at all, because people kind of want 379 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: to know what's the return on investment. So this question 380 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: is asking Mike McCarthy, All right, go ahead, there, no look, no, 381 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: what I was saying was I wanted to hear this. 382 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to Church to answer this question because that's 383 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: this guy, right and maybe having these meetings in there 384 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: so and when you know how people have those vision 385 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: boards in the back of the office or something like that. 386 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: I want to know if Church saw that when he 387 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: walked in there, and if he can give us an 388 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: ideal of what is acceptable for him, because he was 389 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: the de kool aid man, and so I want to 390 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: know what is acceptable for him and Mike McCarthy and 391 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: how how his seasons should progress, how how should we 392 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: see them get better? Because I want to will you 393 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: accept another four and twelve season, which which what we're 394 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: heading for right now? Nah? You see, you see I'm 395 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: not accepting another four and twelve season. And like I 396 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: told y'all, went to my AA meetings and I got 397 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: off to kool Ai. I'm kool aid free right now, 398 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: Big Mike. I mean, that's still my boy. But he 399 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: maybe looked bad. He baby looked bad this season. So 400 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: I'm off to kool Ai. But for me next year 401 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: to be considered a successful season and for him to 402 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: keep going, I think he has to at least at 403 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 1: the very least make a playoff appearance. I know they 404 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: added another another spot to that playoff, so he doesn't 405 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: have to win a division, but he has to at 406 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: least get into the playoffs, because I'm sitting here saying, 407 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, people killed Garrett for going eight and eight 408 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: those three years and not making it to the not 409 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: making it into the playoffs. And this guy was supposed 410 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: to come in here, big Mike being that was supposed 411 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: to come in here with his all star coaching staff 412 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: and all this talent. We loaded up on this team 413 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: and we were supposed to go places. Now, we didn't 414 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: expect covid and we didn't expect all his injuries to happen. 415 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: That's why he kind of has a built in excuse 416 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: this year. But next year it has to be. It 417 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: has to be some type of movement. We gotta go 418 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: into the postseason, or we gotta win a division next year. 419 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: I think so to be considered successful, all right, I 420 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: think so Church next year, I say this, Can I 421 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: say this? Go ahead? Go ahead? If I'm listening to you, 422 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: you're saying McCarthy has to make the playoffs next year. 423 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: And you're the guy who says that the Cowboys should 424 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: dump dok Prescott and go get rookie justin field. So 425 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: you're saying with just yes, and bolster the defense, and 426 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: bolster the defense. Don't forget that part, or else we're 427 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: gonna be out here with five thousand yards and empty 428 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: calories eight and eight not making the playoffs because we 429 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: can't stop. Back to what I was saying, I think 430 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: he needs one more year and he's got to get 431 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. He gotta make you listen, You gotta 432 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: define that a little bit better, man, because like we 433 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: talked about yesterday, the record matters. You said this, all right, 434 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: because a team even from the NFC East make the 435 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: playoffs with five could make the playoffs with five wins 436 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: this season. So it's a five win playoff team good 437 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: enough for you? Or does it have to be a 438 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: real legit good team that's looking at some like ten 439 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: and six, eleven and five and then make the playoffs, right, 440 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: Because you can still have a sorry season like we 441 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: have it now and I sent Nui the stuff earlier, 442 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: we still are mathematically in the playoff hunt. Well, look, 443 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it like this. I don't think this 444 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: this type of season in the NFC East is gonna 445 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: gonna happen again next year. I mean, the last time 446 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: we saw something like this where a terrible division winner 447 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: ended up taking the playoffs I think with Seattle when 448 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: they were seven and nine, and I think that was 449 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: about maybe eight years ago, maybe nine years ago. So 450 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: I don't think we'll see, you know, a terrible division 451 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: make the playoffs like this each and every year. I 452 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: think it'll be more competitive next year in the NFC East. 453 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: And what I'm saying is, I think we gotta get 454 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: into the playoffs, and if you want specifics, we gotta. 455 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: We gotta be over five hundred. We gotta at least 456 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: be in that nine and seven, ten and six round. 457 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: And I think that's gonna get to the playoffs next year. 458 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: And if he's able to do that, I consider that 459 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: a success. We can still have an eight and eighteen 460 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,239 Speaker 1: make the playoffs out of the East this year, By 461 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: the way, I'll take that too fat as long as 462 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: we get in the as long as we in the playoffs, Danny, 463 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: you want to go ahead and hit this, hit this 464 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: just the man, Hold on, wait, which one? Is it 465 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: as long as we in the playoffs or do we 466 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: have to have a nine and seven, ten and six 467 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: at least record, which I mean, what's the difference. If 468 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: we're nine and seven in the playoffs, that's cool with me. 469 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: There that that that should break it down enough for you. 470 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: But what are we six and teen in the playoffs? 471 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: Does that? Does that? Is that? I mean for you? 472 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: I mean if if, if, if it was a fifth, 473 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like you put you moving the gold posts 474 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: all over the place. I'm saying seven and we're in 475 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: the plight. The loss we can go is nine. What's 476 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: happening this year? I'm going based off what's happening this year? 477 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: It's not if, Like right now we have so we're saying, 478 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: so you must make it to the playoffs. So he 479 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: must make it to the playoffs in order for me 480 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: to see it as a success. Is that a good 481 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: enough answer for you? No? No, I'm saying, what does 482 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: this team have to look like? Man? Can they be 483 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: a six win playoff team and that being acceptable for 484 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: you because they made it to the playoffs? Or do 485 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: they need to look like a real contender at nine 486 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: and seven, ten and six, because this year we have 487 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 1: a five, they could have to be a contender they 488 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: be at thank you, thank you, that's all. That's all 489 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to hear. I have to make the playoffs. 490 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: You're a contender. But okay, all right, good, that's not 491 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: Come on, Church, Come on Church that if you make 492 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: the playoffs, you're contender. It's Washington a contender. They're gonna 493 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: be in the playoffs. Yes or no, that's a yes 494 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: or no answer. Yes, Yes, they're they're contending for a 495 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: super Bowl. Yes, okay, all right? Oh he means literally, 496 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: he means literal literally, Okay, I got you. That is 497 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: that's Barry Church saying that. You know, buck Nell University 498 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: or Toledo makes the NCAA basketball tournament, they're a contender 499 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: because they got in. Even though so whats so was 500 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: the New York Giants a contender? Where the New York 501 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: Giants a contend in two thousand and seven and two 502 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: thousand and eleven when they snuck into the playoffs, were 503 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: they contender? What was their record? Seven? There were ninety seven? 504 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: And you know, I did anybody consider them? They got 505 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: into the playoffs, they ended up winning the Super Bowl? Church, 506 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: That's why are you hearing what I'm saying. I'm saying, 507 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: if we are, if we if we are below five 508 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: hundred and make the playoffs, not nine and seven or 509 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: tennant six. If we are below five hundred in a 510 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: division like we are now, you you bring up the Giants, 511 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: you got to say that they was two games above 512 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: five hundred. I'm told it is gonna be. It's gonna 513 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: have a seven and nine winner again next year. Who 514 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: knows years? Seriously that eight nine years. You guys are 515 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: acting like this happens every season that the division has 516 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: a terrible person getting into the playoffs. That doesn't happen. 517 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: Usually every years there's a winning record and those guys 518 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: are getting into the last two And when was the 519 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: last time that happened? Barry? The last two seasons, it 520 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: has been a scrape at the end trying to find 521 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: a division winner in the NFC East And all right, 522 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: so it was the Philadelphia record, they were there, eight 523 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: and eight, nine and seven, right, they were around that. 524 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: It was that a losing record. It was a nine 525 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: and sevent team that ended up, you know, winning, scraping 526 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: together wins down the stretch. There was a point in 527 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: time we're both teams, the Cowboys were sitting around here 528 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,959 Speaker 1: and they both had had bad records. I mean the 529 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: NFC East has been bad, the worst division in football 530 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: the past two seats, the worst division right now. Nobody's 531 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: got their own starting quarterback plant. But you're just gonna 532 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: sit up here to soon next year it's gonna be better. 533 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: So you say, Carson Wentz is gonna be back to 534 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: what he was, that Washington's going somehow to be there 535 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: next year. I'm just saying, because so what I'm saying, Okay, 536 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: all right, to break it down. So let's just say this, 537 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: nine and seven in the playoffs, to make it, to 538 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: make it simple. Nine and seven and going into the playoffs, 539 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: thank you. That's all. That's all he wanted to know. 540 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: That's all you want to know. Go ahead, go ahead, 541 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. No no, no, no no. 542 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: You said that, and then you backed up and said, 543 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: as long as we make the playoffs. Let's two different things. 544 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: H my god, go ahead with your point, man, Like 545 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm telling y'all, you gotta make the playoffs nine second. 546 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: That's it? Like what I mean, what the do you 547 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: want from me? Man? That's it. I've been waiting for that. 548 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: I've been waiting for that. Flor Okay, So let's let's 549 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: so let's keep going with this. So let's keep going 550 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: with this, like, I mean, what's the what's the what's 551 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,239 Speaker 1: the what's the end point of this? Are we are 552 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: we gonna come to a point or we just wanted 553 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: to know what I felt like. I mean, that's no 554 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: that that's the point because you know me, I like 555 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: the rewind so next year when this stuff happened, I 556 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: don't when you start backpedaling, the backtracking back, I want 557 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: to make sure we got to some tape with the discussion. 558 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: We're just stop. Go ahead, all right, let's keep going, 559 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: all right, let's keep going. Okay, all right, so so 560 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: so so the point is, the point is Mike McCarthy 561 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: has to make significant improvement over this year, uh going 562 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: into next year, and I'm saying within the next four 563 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: four seasons he has to make two playoff runs. In 564 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: the second needs to be pretty deep deep off in 565 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: there so they'll know that this guy is really becoming 566 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl contemper. Especially if you signed Dak Prescott 567 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: to a four year deal, that means you got four 568 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: years to get this dude to a super Bowl. That's 569 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: what you if you pay out that kind of money, 570 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: that's what you're expecting in as many times as Jerry 571 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: Jones is going on his radio show touting Mike's successes 572 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: in the past and the fact that he's won a 573 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: super Bowl. Yes, Danny, that is to me, that is 574 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: the expectation. And Mike McCarthy himself, I'll give him credit. 575 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: He said, look, we're here to win super Bowls. If 576 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: you're not trying to play for the Super Bowl, no 577 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: reason to be here. So to ask Mike McCarthy to 578 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: have two good playoff runs with this team and for 579 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: this team to be an an NFC championship game, I 580 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: don't think is an unrealistic expectation at all for him 581 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: if he fulfills this contract, I do not. I think 582 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: that is minimum what should be expected from this football. 583 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: Cool cook, cool with me. All right, let's let's take 584 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: a break. I'm starting Yeah, I'm starting to see I'm 585 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: starting to see a trend with you. I think every 586 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: show you say something a little bit out there that 587 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: makes it say wow. 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A 643 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: lot of factors have gone into that. Yesterday, when we 644 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: were formulating topics, one topic we didn't get to the 645 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: Barry had put forth was in the off season, do 646 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: you consider putting Ezekiel Elliott on the trading block? Church 647 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: follow up on the thinking there for do I consider it? 648 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it depends what the right offer comes. 649 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: I mean, if somebody comes along and just says, you 650 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: know what, a we want these guys talent, We're willing 651 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: to break bread with you. Guys. What do you guys think? 652 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: I think you hear him out. I don't think you know. 653 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: I think you don't go out there and say, no, 654 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: he this guy's untouchable. This is our this is our horse, 655 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: this is our backbone of our team. I don't think 656 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: he I don't think he's got that right now. So 657 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: if somebody were to come with, say, first round offer 658 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,479 Speaker 1: or anything like that, even a second, do you consider it? 659 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: I do. I don't know about y'all, but I think 660 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: I consider it. Listen, Neue, he called me crazy a 661 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: few weeks ago when I said this, Uh, look, if 662 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's not gonna use him how he needs to 663 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: be used, then yes, go ahead and let Tony Paula 664 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: spin draft you a guy in the later rounds to 665 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: be the backup running back and move off from Zeke, 666 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: because if you're not gonna use the guy like he's 667 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: been used, the reason why he got the ninety million dollars. 668 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: Then then why have him here? Why why keep paying 669 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: him the same The same thing goes for all the 670 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: other players that get paid seventy eighty million dollars and 671 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: not getting the correct usage. If you're not gonna use 672 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: these guys and they're just gonna sit here and collect 673 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: ten fifteen million dollars a year, that you need to 674 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: find a way to get some value out of them, 675 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: because this offensive scheme is just not fit for Zeke 676 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 1: right now and the way that he's used to handling 677 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: on the ball and using the running game. So I 678 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy if Mike McCarthy and Keller Moore 679 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: aren't going to use them, how you needs to be used? 680 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, I'm just gonna go straight to the numbers. Okay, 681 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: this is a numbers question, and the way the Cowboys 682 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: have set up their numbers, you can't cut it. You 683 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: can't even trade them. It would cost you in deadcap 684 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: hit money. Okay, deadcap hit money. In twenty twenty one, 685 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: twenty four point five million dollars to get rid of Zekiel, 686 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: and then in twenty twenty two it is ten point 687 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: eight million dollars. You're realistic out to get away from 688 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott's twenty twenty three. That's that's what the Cowboys 689 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: have done it themselves in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two. 690 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: The waves at this contract up you you've basically tied 691 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: this guy to the team. Give his agent, Rocky Arsenal 692 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: a lot of credit. Cowboys are stuck with number twenty one. 693 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: So to me, the conversation really you got to have 694 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: if you're Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones, is you go 695 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: down there to Mike McCarthy and Kelly Warren. You let 696 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: these guys know we're not getting out of this deal 697 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: for two years, and I need you to figure out 698 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 1: how to use it. I heard somebody talking about trading 699 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: Amari Cooper in the offseason, and I said, you know what, guys, 700 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: whenever you have these conversations, please go look at the 701 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: dead cap hit money Amari Cooper for the It's basically 702 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: a two year deal. It's this year, next year after that. 703 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: You could get out of the money with these deals, 704 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: and basically all these deals you got to find where's 705 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: the exit point all these deals where you're not killing 706 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: your cap and the deal here for ezekiel Man. You're stuck. 707 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 1: That's really what it is. You're stuck. Well, we gotta 708 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: found a way to better use them, because right now, 709 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: I mean, what does he getting twelve carries? Okay, here's 710 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: a game, go ahead. Yeah, And that's the only reason 711 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,959 Speaker 1: that the questions are being answered are being raised though, 712 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: it is because not not of them and their talent. 713 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: We know a Mary Cooper can go out there and 714 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: catch ten balls. Again, we know that Zeke if given 715 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: the right opportunities, he can go out there and get 716 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: ninety five one hundred yards a game. The question is 717 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: only being raised because of the plays that are being called. So, 718 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: like you said, Nui, the point is, if you're not 719 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: going to use the guys, then get them out of here. 720 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: But the fact that you can't get them out of 721 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: here and and really have your team survived as far 722 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: as cap wise, that you need to go down and 723 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: have a real discussion with your offensive coordinating, the guys 724 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: who are putting the passing game together and let them 725 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: know that you want to see dis amount of uses 726 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: from these guys because they gave him a whole year 727 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: and they never called on to it. And I go 728 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: back to just just take it a stay in the 729 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: division and look over at Carson Wentz. I'm looking at 730 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is dead hit number, dead cap hit number 731 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty one. It is fifty nine point two 732 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: million dollars. You know, So the situation for the Eagles 733 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: is truly how do you fix this dude? So maybe 734 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: they end up firing Doug Peterson, And I know that 735 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: makes surprise. Some people are here because he won a 736 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: super Bowl. But if you can't get anything out of 737 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: Carson wins, and this coach is gonna think he can 738 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: get anything anymore that you can better go find somebody 739 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: who can, because this is sixty million dollars hit you 740 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: simply can't take. And you start looking at these numbers 741 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: for Cooper, you start looking at these numbers for Ezekiel, 742 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: even Tyrant Smith. You better find some folks who can 743 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: figure out how to get the best use of these players. 744 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: And you're getting ready to tie yourself up deep. But 745 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: Doc Prescott, you've got to get people in here from 746 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: a coaching standpoint who can figure it out. I hurt. 747 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: Michael Lombardi say this on his podcast. He's like, Hey, 748 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: if you got a forty million dollar problem. Why not 749 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: spend ten million dollars on the guy to fix it? 750 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: And right now when you start looking at Ezekiel Elliott 751 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: and then what you're gonna end up paying Doak Prescott. Um. 752 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: If Kellen Moore is not the guy to get this right, 753 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: then maybe you tell Mike McCarthy, I need you to 754 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: fix it. But somewhere along the way, they've got to 755 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,280 Speaker 1: get a return on investment for their money with these players, 756 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: because these players are going to be here. That's really 757 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 1: the bottom one. You're stuck with these guys, So you 758 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: better figure out how to get something out of No, 759 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm no contract, gurgle. So I'm gonna ask you a 760 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: question about the dead cat money versus being able to 761 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: be traded. So you're saying if they are traded, that 762 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: that money still stays on us as dead cat money. 763 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: This is the money that you've agreed to. And look, 764 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: and I'll say this, nobody's gonna trade for this contract. 765 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 1: I mean, for instance, if you want to trade for 766 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,479 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz's money, you're gonna have to trade for all 767 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: this cash. And nobody's going to sit up here and 768 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: pay these numbers. Um, it's ludicrous. If you start to look. Well, 769 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is it's a little. It's worse. It's a little, 770 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: it's a lot worse than the other guys that we mentioned. 771 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: You're looking at fifty. But but but I'm asking, are 772 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: they able to trade them and then still not have 773 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: to take that dead cap hit like once you once 774 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: you come up with a deal, I think all of 775 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: that is going off of your cap um. Well, it 776 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: doesn't work like that. I'm saying, Okay, so if you 777 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: trade him that dead cap, no, the dead cap, the 778 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: dead the dead cat is your signing bonus. So they 779 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: do your signing bonus. They spread it out over so 780 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: many years. So what happens is if you trade the person, 781 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: all those years that were sprout over gets backlogged to 782 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: that year accelerat into one. Yes, so it doesn't accelerate 783 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: it will kay. Um going in here looking at dead 784 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,879 Speaker 1: cap hit money on Zeke's twenty four point nine, ten 785 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: point eight over the next two years, then twenty and 786 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: then you basically got it out after twenty twenty three. Um, 787 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: just looking at his base salary money, just base salary 788 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 1: money for twenty twenty one is nine point six million 789 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: dollars um with a cap hit of thirteen point seve 790 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 1: and he's got a signing boone on us A one 791 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,919 Speaker 1: five and an option to two six. And then next 792 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: year you get looking at a base out of twelve 793 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: point four million, signing bote us at one point five million, 794 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: option to two point six million for a cap hit 795 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: of sixteen point five. If we just look and ask 796 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: ourselves these in today's NFL and looking at Ezekiel Elliott, 797 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: would it be wise for you to trade a first 798 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: round pick and take on this money or would it 799 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,439 Speaker 1: be better for you to go ahead and go into 800 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: the draft and try and get somebody or a heck, 801 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: you could even sign some dude right now. I'm not 802 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: saying Levia Bell's going to be the answer for a team, 803 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: but you know, you can go find some guys to 804 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: run the football. Kyle Shanahan has done that ended up 805 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: going to a Super Bowl. So I just think that 806 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott and his trade value is not what some 807 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: people may think it is. Because you look at this 808 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: dude now you guys have talked about it doesn't look 809 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,479 Speaker 1: as quick as he used to. The numbers are down here. 810 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: He's already not practicing today because he's got the lingering 811 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: effects of the calf issue. Offensive line's not as good. 812 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't think that he's anywhere close 813 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: to being a tradeable piece for what you think you 814 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: might be able to get for them. Yeah. Look like 815 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 1: I said, I don't think we should trade them. If 816 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: you don't matter, worn't running back you get up here 817 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: in this offense. If you if you don't run them 818 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: and give them enough care, you give them enough such as, 819 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: then we're gonna be saying the same thing about the 820 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: next guy as well. So the solution is, you know, 821 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: have Jerry or somebody to go down there and talk 822 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 1: to McCarthy and Kellen Moore and let them know that 823 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: these guys need to be need to be used so 824 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: they get a return on their investment. Yeah, I think 825 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: you're right. You've got to use the talent. And look, 826 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: if Mike McCarthy and Kellen Moore want to go back 827 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: to the playoffs, I would think the wisest thing to 828 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: do is figure out how you can utilize twenty one 829 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 1: to make your offense. For the offense where your quarterback 830 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: is throwing for no more than thirty passes a game 831 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: and then running the football between Pollard and Ezekiel Elliott 832 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: twenty seven to twenty eight times a game. It's something 833 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,919 Speaker 1: that can be done and doable, so they've they've got 834 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: to figure that out next year. To me, that's one 835 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 1: of the biggest things that needs to be worked out 836 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: on this football team is trying to figure out how 837 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 1: to become more balance out the run and pass. These 838 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: forty times and fifty times and you've got your quarterbacks passing, 839 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: it's a losing recipe for the Dallas Cowboys. You can 840 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,760 Speaker 1: just go down the list and look at the records 841 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,720 Speaker 1: or Dak Prescott, Tony Romo. When these guys are throwing 842 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: forty plus times a game, there's usually els that that 843 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: come with that. So it's pretty pretty uh to me, 844 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: it's pretty scared when you start throwing up those numbers. 845 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of scary, UM, let me, with 846 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 1: all sincerity give my best wishes to Jason Garrett. Um. 847 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 1: He's got COVID. Giants offensive coordinator has COVID and UM, 848 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 1: it is nothing to joke about. It is something to 849 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: take very serious, and so I hope Jason can get 850 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,720 Speaker 1: over it and and and be back in good shape. 851 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of guys in the NFL ab overcoming. 852 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: But you know, Jason is uh, you know, Jason's he's 853 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: not a player, He's not a young guy. I mean, 854 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: Jason is in his fifties, so I'm hoping he's a 855 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: okay on this, guys. Yeah, definitely. H best wishes goes 856 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: out to Garrett out there man in New York. Like 857 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: you said, man, he's not the youngest of the guys, 858 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 1: but I mean he's a great guy. So hopefully he's 859 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: able to, you know, pull through through this and he'll 860 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: be back on the sidelines coaching soon. Yeah. Same here. 861 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: You know, what's your first speedy recovery from him? And uh, 862 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, hope, hope everything goes well. Man at COVID 863 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: is serious. So everybody just make sure you stay safe 864 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: out there. All right. We got Thursday and that football. 865 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: The Las Vegas Raiders are hosting the Chargers what looks 866 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: like to be the last couple of games for Anthony 867 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: lenn his head coach. The Raiders are a three and 868 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: a half point favorite. Church who you got tonight? I 869 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: need a big game. I need a big game out 870 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: of Herbert tonight for as the fantasy playoffs, So I 871 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: gotta go with my guys out in Chargers Land. So 872 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: for me, I gotta go Chargers twenty seven, Raiders twenty one. 873 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 1: You know what. I'm going Charges as well, but I'm 874 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:05,359 Speaker 1: going the thirty one twenty eight. The Raiders have lost 875 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: a lot of starters. I think they're down like four 876 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: or five starters. I don't know if it's COVID related 877 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: or injury related, but they're down a lot in a secondary. 878 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: So gotta have a big day out of Herbert. I 879 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: got to well, well, well, gentlemen, I hate the fact 880 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: that there's a lack of faith in the new defensive 881 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: coordinator for Vegas, who I ain't. Am going to go 882 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: ahead and bed on all right, I'm sticking with you, 883 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 1: Rod Mary Nellie getting the ship turned around, getting effort 884 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: turned around, and I'm going with the Raiders to take 885 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 1: it tonight thirty to twenty four in this football game. 886 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: So Raiders in home Fairy by three and a half. 887 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: Rob man Nellie comes through thirty twenty four. Boom, Raiders 888 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: like that? You like that, does Jeff? He's getting another 889 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 1: interception this week? Man. I hope, so I said, I 890 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: hope not. I hope not. I hope Herbert torching the 891 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: boys from about three hundred and thirty. But you know, 892 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: it's crazy how quick the tables can turn. I mean 893 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. I mean the Raiders were 894 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: out there in Kansas City. I think he picked off 895 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, my homes a couple of times, and everybody 896 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,359 Speaker 1: was hooting and hollering about this Raiders defense. And now 897 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 1: I look at DC, he's on his way, he's fired. 898 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just crazy how things can turn so 899 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: quick in a season like that. Man, it is that man, 900 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: that that's how that's how it goes. But that's why 901 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: you got to play the sixteen man. December football and 902 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: you guys have played December football is where you know, 903 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 1: we start to separate the men from the boys out here. 904 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: And to me, I think December is also where you decide, 905 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: you also see who can coach you know, can you 906 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 1: coach your guys to keep improving and getting better. But 907 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of truths to be told 908 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: about your football team in December and who you've developed 909 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: and where you're going with your program, because because that's when, 910 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 1: to me, that's when these things start to get one 911 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: all right, it is fifteen after that is our show, 912 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: Chris being producer. Great job today, Church mccraig. Always fun 913 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,320 Speaker 1: to chat with you. We'll give our predictions for forty 914 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: nine Ers and Cowboys tomorrow. I don't remember. It is 915 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: a noon game on Sunday at Jerry World, not a 916 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: Sunday night football game. Don't be upset by it because, 917 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: as Jalen Smith said, quote, if the owners cool with it, 918 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,839 Speaker 1: we ain't tripping. We're good. All right, talk tomorrow right 919 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,760 Speaker 1: here on Dallas Cowboys Down. This has been a production 920 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 1: of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.