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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 3: on a nie to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so
Speaker 3: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. When I
Speaker 3: woke up this morning, I had just had an incredible dream.
Speaker 3: I was working one of my old catering jobs and
Speaker 3: this handsome man showed up on the scene and he
Speaker 3: said that he was a listener of every single one
Speaker 3: of my podcasts. Now, in my original podcast, We Don't
Speaker 3: Die Radio, I have four hundred episodes and here in
Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife, well we are approaching one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty, so that is a lot of listening. And
Speaker 3: he met me for the very first time face to face.
Speaker 3: He worked the day with us this catering business, and
Speaker 3: my mom gave me the seal of approval. She liked him,
Speaker 3: and of course by this time, anybody who worked so
Speaker 3: hard and listen to all my episodes, I thought, well,
Speaker 3: maybe he's a keeper. Then I had the opportunity to
Speaker 3: introduce him to my dad. Now Mom is still alive,
Speaker 3: but Dad is deceased. What happened next was my dad
Speaker 3: opening his arms to me, giving me the most real
Speaker 3: and loving hug, as if he were still alive. I
Speaker 3: don't know what happened to the possible boyfriend, but that
Speaker 3: piece of the dream was so real to me that
Speaker 3: that told me that was Dad saying hello and letting
Speaker 3: me know that he loved me. Dreams are funny. Yes,
Speaker 3: it would be nice to have a handsome man show
Speaker 3: up who fell in love with me? Because of all
Speaker 3: these episodes, But the important thing is the reality of
Speaker 3: the most important part, and that was with my dad.
Speaker 3: It was distinct from all the other parts of the dream.
Speaker 3: When I woke up this morning, I actually felt like
Speaker 3: I had just had a big hug from my dad.
Speaker 3: Dreams are interesting when they are negative, that is our
Speaker 3: subconscious at work. When they are real and you can
Speaker 3: remember them, remember the love, it could be a big
Speaker 3: smile on your face. That is a real visitation. I believe.
Speaker 3: Where are we going to go today on this episode? Well,
Speaker 3: I'd like to get into electronic voice phenomena a bit more.
Speaker 3: Let you hear some examples and give you some ideas
Speaker 3: how you can start recording. Why Because lately many listeners
Speaker 3: have wanted to communicate with their loved ones. Now we
Speaker 3: can communicate with our loved ones at any time. They
Speaker 3: can hear us. The problem is we cannot hear them.
Speaker 3: It's hard for us to trust when a song comes
Speaker 3: on the radio that was our favorite song, hard to
Speaker 3: trust that that's really our loved one. They may plant
Speaker 3: some pictures and some memories in our mind that come
Speaker 3: out of the blue, and it's hard to trust that
Speaker 3: that's really them. I would like to introduce you to
Speaker 3: some people who have had luck recording EVPs. The recordings
Speaker 3: are a little bit older. I'm not sure if you'll
Speaker 3: be able to understand the EVPs, so I will do
Speaker 3: my best to tell you what I hear and then
Speaker 3: we can go from there. I have a lovely book
Speaker 3: in my hands called I'm Still Here, written by Martha Copeland,
Speaker 3: and on the back of the book it says I'm
Speaker 3: Still Here chronicles the compelling true story of a parent's
Speaker 3: deepest pain losing a child and the remarkable healing journey
Speaker 3: resulting in actual contact beyond life's veil. Despite the apparent
Speaker 3: finality of death from an automobile accident, Kathy has managed
Speaker 3: to try transmit messages to her mother and others via
Speaker 3: audio segments captured on various voice recording equipment. Electronic voice phenomena,
Speaker 3: or EVP, is just the process by which communications with
Speaker 3: our deceased loved ones are possible. EVP is just beginning
Speaker 3: to be understood, yet it has been experienced by people
Speaker 3: all over the world since the advent of modern electronic devices.
Speaker 3: Through the use of EVP, Martha discovered that friendships evolving
Speaker 3: in the physical world are the result of our loved
Speaker 3: one's efforts to contact us from the spiritual world. Story
Speaker 3: shared from other mothers in this book validates that we
Speaker 3: belong to what our loved ones in the spiritual world
Speaker 3: refer to as the Big Circle. The Big Circle includes
Speaker 3: our loved ones in the spiritual world world as well
Speaker 3: as their loved ones in the physical world here on Earth.
Speaker 3: After reading this book, you will never again be able
Speaker 3: to view the world through just your physical eyes. You
Speaker 3: will learn to see with your spiritual eyes as well.
Speaker 3: Behind every tragedy, there is a divine plan that we
Speaker 3: do not realize that we are actually learning and growing
Speaker 3: from these tragedies. Through the use of EVP, we have
Speaker 3: come to realize that our loved ones in the spiritual
Speaker 3: world are trying to contact us, and it's time now
Speaker 3: to remove the do not disturb sign off Heaven's door.
Speaker 3: We'll talk a little bit more about the Big Circle
Speaker 3: as we continue on, and also one website that I
Speaker 3: think you should put at the very top of your
Speaker 3: list if you're interested in recording. EVPs is a transc
Speaker 3: dot org which stands for the Association of trans Communication
Speaker 3: a transc dot Org. I'd like to play a short
Speaker 3: clip now and you can hear Martha Copeland talking about Kathy,
Speaker 3: and then we'll get into some other people and we'll
Speaker 3: hear some EVPs.
Speaker 5: My name is Martha Copeland, and back in two thousand
Speaker 5: and one, my daughter Kathy was involved in a terrible
Speaker 5: accident with my niece Rachel. And after the accident, the
Speaker 5: two girls made a pack that if one of them
Speaker 5: should ever die, the one in the spiritual world would
Speaker 5: come back and at the one in the physical world
Speaker 5: know they were okay. Unfortunately, three weeks later, in December
Speaker 5: twenty third, two thousand and one, my daughter was involved
Speaker 5: in a fiddle accident. It was five months later that
Speaker 5: my niece called me and she said, Aunt Martha, I've
Speaker 5: got Kathy's voice on my computer. Naturally, I thought because
Speaker 5: she was grieving, because they were cousins but also best friends,
Speaker 5: she was just grieving, and you know, I said, Okay, well,
Speaker 5: that's really wonderful Rachel. But then my sister got on
Speaker 5: the phone and she said, no, you need to come
Speaker 5: over here. It's Kathy's voice. So I went over there.
Speaker 5: When she played the recording, could hear Kathy saying I'm
Speaker 5: still here. And then there was a male voice that
Speaker 5: followed saying, how do you know they can hear you?
Speaker 5: And you can imagine how shocked and actually thrilled I
Speaker 5: was to hear it. It was just unbelievable that I
Speaker 5: could hear my daughter's voice again. Rachel told me about
Speaker 5: the pack at that time that they had made, and
Speaker 5: she started laughing, saying what Kathy at the time told her.
Speaker 5: He said, if I should go first, I'm going to
Speaker 5: write cat, Cat cat all over your computer screen. So
Speaker 5: Rachel said she was in bed that night and she
Speaker 5: said was thinking about the pack, and she started crying
Speaker 5: because she missed Kathy. And she got out of bed
Speaker 5: and she turned on the computer and found something about
Speaker 5: EVP Electronic Voice phenomena, and she started trying to get
Speaker 5: Kathy through the computer. And she tried for many, many
Speaker 5: hours and didn't have any success. So she finally tried
Speaker 5: one more time, and when she did, she got Kathy's
Speaker 5: voice saying I'm still here. I had mothers that would
Speaker 5: come to my house and they had lost children, and
Speaker 5: we started recording together and when time, with much work,
Speaker 5: each mother was able to get their child's voice and
Speaker 5: the recordings. A mother in the group started emailing me,
Speaker 5: Karen Mossey, and I started picking up herson, Rob's recordings,
Speaker 5: his voice and my recordings. My recorders sometimes just mysterically
Speaker 5: turned on by themselves. And one example is when I
Speaker 5: left my house one time and I forgot Kathy's dog.
Speaker 5: Dojah was in the house. When I returned home, he
Speaker 5: hid me this huge miss I mean, gi gant it
Speaker 5: mess in my house. And I picked up my recorder
Speaker 5: and when I played it, I could hear Kathy's voice
Speaker 5: saying Dojah no, like she's scolding the dog.
Speaker 3: I have the recording of Doja no, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to play it for you three times. See if you
Speaker 3: can hear it, dojah No. This next mom you're going
Speaker 3: to hear from is Deborah Caruso. Okay.
Speaker 6: We were on vacation in Mexico and we had a
Speaker 6: fatal clock crash. My son died and my daughter was
Speaker 6: critically injured. My daughter was in a comra and when
Speaker 6: she woke up, I had to tell her that her
Speaker 6: brother died and her first words were, he can't be dead.
Speaker 6: He speaks to me every day. I just was really
Speaker 6: happy because I knew that he was around, and I
Speaker 6: was always looking for signs that my son was around.
Speaker 6: I would receive dimes, feathers, and actually, when you're a
Speaker 6: mom and you're looking for a child, you accept anything
Speaker 6: as a sign. And one day I took a picture.
Speaker 6: It had three sevens on it, and I'm sure it
Speaker 6: was a camera malfunction, but to me, it was a sign.
Speaker 6: So I asked people their opinion, and someone had told
Speaker 6: me as we were speaking about normal pictures, and she said,
Speaker 6: you know, if you're talk into our recorder, someone might
Speaker 6: answer you and you might be able to talk to
Speaker 6: your son. My first reaction was, this can't be true.
Speaker 6: So I went home and I turned on the sound
Speaker 6: recorder of my computer. When I learned how to listen
Speaker 6: for voices, as you record more, you learn to hear.
Speaker 6: I went back to my first recording and my son
Speaker 6: was on it. He was the next voice speaking. So
Speaker 6: after that I got little bits and pieces, and someone
Speaker 6: came and said, speak to her a woman. Then I
Speaker 6: heard MA, and then I knew after that after that
Speaker 6: he talk to me all the time. Then I realized
Speaker 6: that's my son. And once you know, you just talk.
Speaker 6: Now it's right, you just go Joe.
Speaker 3: So this is a recording she got of her son
Speaker 3: Joey saying, ma I love you, ma, I love you.
Speaker 3: I am certain that these are not going to be
Speaker 3: really easy for you to hear. I am hoping that
Speaker 3: you hear a recording from a recording. If you're a
Speaker 3: parent recording these EVPs, spending hours and hours and hours listening,
Speaker 3: you have an advantage. Also if you wear headphones. We
Speaker 3: have to use common sense, of course, and look for
Speaker 3: the intelligence of the messages. I'm going to give you
Speaker 3: a few links now, just so you can always refer
Speaker 3: back to the very first segment here again a transc
Speaker 3: dot org. Also messages from the Big Circle dot Org.
Speaker 3: The books There Is No Death and There Are No
Speaker 3: Dead by Tom and Lisa Butler, the book I'm Still
Speaker 3: Here by Martha Copeland. And if you make your way
Speaker 3: to YouTube, type in Sherry Pearl EVP video. So we'll
Speaker 3: go on to the break. We're going to hear more examples,
Speaker 3: some of my experience and more. You're listening to Shades
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra's champlain.
Speaker 3: I forgot to mention earlier. My heart goes out to
Speaker 3: anyone who has lost a loved one. Of course, they're
Speaker 3: not lost, they're still with us. As Martha Copeland says,
Speaker 3: I'm still here it's the title of her book. But
Speaker 3: I know how painful grief is, and I cannot even
Speaker 3: imagine the pain from a child passing. If you look
Speaker 3: up Helping Parents Heal. That's a really good resource for parents.
Speaker 3: And also of course come to me and my website.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you about at the end, and you can
Speaker 3: have a free copy of my book. And I have
Speaker 3: much help on grief in that as well. So I'd
Speaker 3: like to continue on with some stories from parents and EVPs.
Speaker 3: The next is Terry Dayner her story about her son Jeff.
Speaker 9: On April fifteenth, two thousand and five, Our son passed.
Speaker 9: Jeff was in a tragic accident in La in an
Speaker 9: automobile accident. Jeff had performed in the Shiners circus at
Speaker 9: the Shriner's Auditorium in La Jeff was extreme the post
Speaker 9: to all the cat they were like his kids. The
Speaker 9: morning he passed, and the tiger you carry on his
Speaker 9: shoulders started to cry as if she knew what had
Speaker 9: happened to Jeff. All the other cats started crying. They
Speaker 9: cried all night they knew Jeff had passed. The following week,
Speaker 9: after the memorial service, on April twenty first, two thousand
Speaker 9: and five, Dave, his dad, and I were walking through
Speaker 9: the cat barn. I had a small Jason hundred recorder.
Speaker 9: We were giving the cats closure stopping at each set
Speaker 9: of cat cages. I had taken the recorder out when
Speaker 9: walking through the cat barn and recorded cats puffering and
Speaker 9: talking to me. After returning home, I got out the
Speaker 9: little recorder and listened to all the cats puffering and rowing.
Speaker 9: To my amazement, I hear Hi, Mom, Jeff, my son.
Speaker 9: I was so excited happy. Words cannot express how I felt.
Speaker 3: I have that recording. I'll play it three times of
Speaker 3: Jeff saying Hi Momi.
Speaker 9: Hi Mom. I call it mana a godsend. I know
Speaker 9: now that he is in a good place and that
Speaker 9: one day I will join him there God willing. I
Speaker 9: miss you, Jeff, I love you, WE love you, Mom
Speaker 9: and Dad.
Speaker 3: Next, I'd like to play some words from Vicky Talbot,
Speaker 3: who was speaking at a com for ins in Atlanta, Georgia,
Speaker 3: back in two thousand and six. Believe it or not,
Speaker 3: I was at that conference and I was heavy duty
Speaker 3: into recording EVPs at that time. So this recording is
Speaker 3: Vicky Talbot as she's presenting at the conference. So it's
Speaker 3: going to make it a little bit more difficult to
Speaker 3: hear it, but I think you can understand it.
Speaker 10: My son Braden and his best friend Jim were in
Speaker 10: a kayaking accident and they actually never returned. That was
Speaker 10: in March of two thousand and one. Then I started
Speaker 10: hearing from him on my answering machine, surprisingly enough, saying
Speaker 10: things like what up, and Jim came through saying I'll
Speaker 10: come again. We started taking spirit photography and thought every
Speaker 10: single orb we got was Braiden or Jim, and then
Speaker 10: we decided we'd explore electronic Voice phenomenon. So we looked
Speaker 10: on a website and we found the American Association of
Speaker 10: Electronic Voice Phenomena. I joined the Big Circle and right
Speaker 10: after I joined the Big Circle and introduced myself and Braiden,
Speaker 10: they came back with, hey, we've heard from Braiden. We
Speaker 10: have EVP mentioning Braiden, and they proceeded to pile them
Speaker 10: on me and I thought, well, if they can get
Speaker 10: him and he can come on my answering machine, then
Speaker 10: I can get him. So I went out and bought
Speaker 10: a recorder and started recording. This is one of my
Speaker 10: first messages from Braiden, and I liked it because it
Speaker 10: had been quite a few years since we actually contacted
Speaker 10: one another. It's a bit distorted, but it came along
Speaker 10: with validating information that it was him.
Speaker 3: This first one is I missed you. I missed you.
Speaker 10: The next one, the next one is a good one.
Speaker 10: This is for Martha from Kathy. I got it at
Speaker 10: my house and Martha wasn't recording at the time, she
Speaker 10: was too busy preparing for the conference a couple of
Speaker 10: years ago. And I picked up Kathy saying brain turd.
Speaker 10: And I immediately emailed Martha, and she emailed me back
Speaker 10: and said, you're not going to believe this. But I
Speaker 10: was just telling my sister was at Donna Donna that
Speaker 10: I was having a major brain heard about the conference.
Speaker 10: So you'll hear Kathy say brain heard. And then at
Speaker 10: the end, another female says awi and I don't know
Speaker 10: what that means. I don't know who hurt whom.
Speaker 6: But.
Speaker 10: How And Braden likes to say that he loves us.
Speaker 10: And here he is saying, I love mom, Mom. Here's Jim,
Speaker 10: and this is particularly typical of Jim's voice. It's from
Speaker 10: the DR sixty, and the d R sixty has a
Speaker 10: tendency to be a bit raspy. But here he's talking
Speaker 10: to his mother and saying Mom. It's Jim with Braden
Speaker 10: and the next one, we're all the big circle. That
Speaker 10: was a very strange sounding voice, and it came at
Speaker 10: the end of a rather long clip of about nine
Speaker 10: minutes and eleven seconds, and I had forgotten to turn
Speaker 10: the recorder off. Some of it was clear, but most
Speaker 10: of it was Class C or worse.
Speaker 3: Here's a female, this one she believes, says, hey, I
Speaker 3: know Branden O.
Speaker 6: Great. Great.
Speaker 10: That was done out at the lake and there was
Speaker 10: no one else around. And we got a couple of
Speaker 10: this same person speaking, that's that's me down at the cove.
Speaker 10: That's where the boys set out, and I'm throwing a
Speaker 10: rose out. We go down there quite often. Actually, earlier today,
Speaker 10: we heard a couple of times about how this is
Speaker 10: a miracle, and they like to let us know that
Speaker 10: the first one isn't all that clear, but they're saying, see,
Speaker 10: it's a miracle, and then again miracles Michael, Michael, and
Speaker 10: I guess that's how I'd like to end. It is
Speaker 10: a miracle.
Speaker 3: This form of communication definitely is a miracle. And if
Speaker 3: you couldn't hear these examples, or you're of a skeptical
Speaker 3: mind and you're not convinced, I have to tell you
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to convince you. There are thousands of
Speaker 3: people who work with EVPs, who have loved ones that
Speaker 3: are in the other world that have gotten particular messages,
Speaker 3: and the more you listen, the more you'll be able
Speaker 3: to hear them. Let's imagine for a minute that you
Speaker 3: only spoke English. You don't speak the German language, and
Speaker 3: if you hear people speaking German, it just sounds like
Speaker 3: random noises. Well, once you learn German, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden you hear people speaking it, you may recognize
Speaker 3: some words. The same thing holds true with EVPs. I
Speaker 3: use a digital recorder. I've not had any luck using
Speaker 3: an iPhone. A lot of people use their computer. The
Speaker 3: one lady said she got messages on an answering machine. Well,
Speaker 3: we don't have answering machines too much anymore, but there's
Speaker 3: different ways they can communicate. What I have learned, or
Speaker 3: that I believe, is that our loved ones take the
Speaker 3: sounds within the recorder and they're able to rearrange the
Speaker 3: sound into words. When I got my very first recording,
Speaker 3: which I'll play for you in a moment, I was
Speaker 3: recording rain drops. That was it. Nothing else was going on,
Speaker 3: just rain drops. I had really wanted to believe EVP
Speaker 3: was real. I heard some great examples, but unless I
Speaker 3: could hear it in my own device, I wasn't quite
Speaker 3: buying it. So I held out my digital tape recorder
Speaker 3: sitting on a bed alone in a cabin in the
Speaker 3: woods the Omega Center in New York, and I just
Speaker 3: said to my loved ones, if you're here and this
Speaker 3: is real and I'm meant to help people believe in
Speaker 3: the afterlife, I need you to talk really loud, and
Speaker 3: then I will say good night. So I recorded just
Speaker 3: one minute. That's it, one minute recording rain drops, and
Speaker 3: then when I played it back on second number forty six,
Speaker 3: this is what I hear. Now. I was talking to
Speaker 3: my deceased grandmother, grandfather, aunt, and uncle, completely thinking I
Speaker 3: was just talking to myself. And what I hear on
Speaker 3: this recording is good night, Sandra in a man's voice,
Speaker 3: then two women going good night, good night, and then
Speaker 3: a man's voice good night. So let's listen. I sure
Speaker 3: hope you could hear that, but I know you may
Speaker 3: not have. It's okay. We do the best we can,
Speaker 3: right There needs to be some intelligence with the messages.
Speaker 3: For instance, saying goodnight. I have spent some time on
Speaker 3: YouTube and there's a lot of people that claim they've
Speaker 3: gotten EVPs and they are what common Lisa Butler would
Speaker 3: call class C. Class A is something everybody can hear
Speaker 3: loud and clear. Class B maybe not so much. Class
Speaker 3: C is you definitely know something is there, but our
Speaker 3: mind can make up words. So there are plenty of examples.
Speaker 3: And they say it says one thing, my brain's saying
Speaker 3: it says something else, So you really want to look
Speaker 3: for the intelligence behind it. Mom and dads know their kids,
Speaker 3: They know their manner of speaking, they know the expressions
Speaker 3: they use, so if they pick up on those, they
Speaker 3: can make perfect sense. There are people out there who
Speaker 3: supposedly get messages from long gone movie stars, and I
Speaker 3: don't quite buy it, because if a movie star wanted
Speaker 3: to talk to somebody, chances are it would be somebody
Speaker 3: in their own family, not just a random stranger. People
Speaker 3: report these negative messages, well, that sells TV shows, but
Speaker 3: I've learned the only messages that come through are messages
Speaker 3: of love and quite often messages of humor, because we
Speaker 3: get to keep our sense of humor when we go
Speaker 3: to the afterlife, when we come back. Well, here's some
Speaker 3: words from Tom Butler, who created the a trans c
Speaker 3: Association of Transcommunication with his wife Lisa. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra's Champlain.
Speaker 3: And then the next couple of segments. We're going to
Speaker 3: hear from Tom Butler. He and his wife run the
Speaker 3: Association for trans Communication. But also I want to give
Speaker 3: you some instructions if you want to start recording EVPs yourself.
Speaker 3: We're trying to having that commitment and a regular practice.
Speaker 3: But first let's talk about this association. A woman named
Speaker 3: Sarah Eastep actually started it back in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 3: It was founded as the American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena.
Speaker 3: In the year two thousand, Tom and Lisa Butler took
Speaker 3: it over. The name ended up changing to Association for
Speaker 3: trans Communication because it's not just audios. There's pictures that
Speaker 3: come through. If you followed my experiences with Sonya Andaldi,
Speaker 3: you know that she's collected the EVPs and also videos
Speaker 3: and pictures from the afterlife. So this whole world is
Speaker 3: called trans communication, all right. So Tom in his background,
Speaker 3: he has been an electronics engineer for many, many years
Speaker 3: in the communication industry, but for over fifty years he's
Speaker 3: also been interested in the afterlife. He and his wife
Speaker 3: Lisa are the authors of the book There Is No
Speaker 3: Death and There Are No Dead, and also the book
Speaker 3: Your Immortal Self. So many moons ago, I had an
Speaker 3: opportunity to talk to Tom, so I want to just play
Speaker 3: for you some of the conversation.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 4: It has been a long journey, but I'm most interested
Speaker 4: in the fact that you really have made some changes Meat.
Speaker 3: Thank you. You guys continue to be on the path
Speaker 3: to just finding out some phenomenal things and sharing them
Speaker 3: in this world of transcommunication. Well, let's back up, because
Speaker 3: some people have never read my book or know who
Speaker 3: you are or anything like that. Can you give us
Speaker 3: a little bit of the background of you, because I
Speaker 3: believe I read some that even in your teens, you
Speaker 3: were interested in this sort of thing.
Speaker 4: My first introduction when I discovered I wasn't give me
Speaker 4: the first man on the Moon. I like to say
Speaker 4: that I kept looking at these in the science magazines
Speaker 4: I read. I kept seeing these thoughts have wings, I
Speaker 4: think it's said advertisements by the rosicrusions, and I finally
Speaker 4: joined them in high school. That was my first introduction
Speaker 4: to formal introduction to the things paranormal, and it's been
Speaker 4: often on every since. And as an engineer, my training
Speaker 4: is and also my temperament is that you can't ignore
Speaker 4: influences when you design a system, you have to pay
Speaker 4: attention to every input and output otherwise, you know, and
Speaker 4: in some disponge you can get somebody killed by ignoring
Speaker 4: the wrong inputs. And so when we come to the
Speaker 4: study of things electronic voice phenomena or the visual forms
Speaker 4: of it, you've got a whole bunch of different influences
Speaker 4: that you have to model. And that's right down my alley.
Speaker 4: So after all these years of studying everything, when Lisa
Speaker 4: introduced me to the EVP after she read the Airy
Speaker 4: Step book, then it all became one big modeling challenge
Speaker 4: to me. So that's kind of where we ended up
Speaker 4: with in this new book.
Speaker 3: Now, when you met Lisa back of the day, where
Speaker 3: either of you into life after death or spiritualism or
Speaker 3: any of that sort of thing, or did that come
Speaker 3: after And.
Speaker 4: When we met this is eighty two, she was reading
Speaker 4: Out on the Limb by Shirley MacLean, So we were
Speaker 4: kind of into all that at the time. It was
Speaker 4: kind of interesting. When you're going through your professional life,
Speaker 4: you come and go with your interests as you pay
Speaker 4: attention to work, and that was the same for us.
Speaker 4: And when we that we got married within a couple
Speaker 4: of weeks actually, and you know, we've been around the
Speaker 4: block a few times by Yeah, so we got married.
Speaker 4: And it turns out that we got married just about
Speaker 4: the day that Sara Eastip started the ae VP that
Speaker 4: we took over. Looking back, and we've talked about this
Speaker 4: and the Note Dead book that we wrote together, that
Speaker 4: it seems as if we've had free will, but it
Speaker 4: seems like a lot of our choices have been exactly
Speaker 4: leading us toward this, and so we do feel guided.
Speaker 4: And even when I wrote this new book, I there
Speaker 4: were a lot of mornings I woke up with, well,
Speaker 4: I got to change that chapter to this that kind
Speaker 4: of thought. So the guidance and we're not unique, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm just a really reporter in this. You're finding out
Speaker 4: yourself that you can learn these abilities and they're really
Speaker 4: something that they're in eight and all of us that
Speaker 4: just that we're learning to pay attention and so we're
Speaker 4: all guided. Let's look at EVP. We worked with it
Speaker 4: with quite a few people. We had one group within
Speaker 4: our organization we referred to as a Big Circle, and
Speaker 4: it was mostly mothers who had lost loved ones or
Speaker 4: children to the other side, and they were trying to
Speaker 4: use EVP to make contact, and some of them made
Speaker 4: some very good contact and we were fortunate enough to
Speaker 4: have three or four members who would call or it
Speaker 4: would be very confident practitioners. They were able to produce
Speaker 4: EVP pretty much on demand, so we were able to
Speaker 4: conduct some studies with it, and through the studies, we've
Speaker 4: pretty well established kind of how it works, what does work,
Speaker 4: and what doesn't work. And about the time that the
Speaker 4: big circle was winding down and people were moving on
Speaker 4: in their lives and everything technique called radio sweep show
Speaker 4: that showed up and it's become kind of a silver
Speaker 4: bullet and everybody using it. I won't go into the
Speaker 4: detail of how it's supposed to work, but basically our
Speaker 4: research on it, our study of it pretty much convinced
Speaker 4: us that it doesn't actually produce electronic voice phenomena, although
Speaker 4: the noise it produces sometimes is used for EVP, like
Speaker 4: what we call transferm EVP. So anyway, the bottom line
Speaker 4: is that we've learned kind of what VP and what
Speaker 4: EVP is not and have used it as kind of
Speaker 4: a light lab rat to develop some pretty good series
Speaker 4: of how transcommunication works.
Speaker 3: Can we pack up just a little bit. It just
Speaker 3: dawned on me that I'm assuming every person listening knows
Speaker 3: exactly what EVP is. Can you just give a little
Speaker 3: basic of what actually happens in angry that if.
Speaker 4: You anybody takes takes an audio recorder and gets into
Speaker 4: an environmental situation, it's a quiet room where they know
Speaker 4: what the noises are around them, and it helps to
Speaker 4: have a little bit maybe a fan or something in
Speaker 4: the background, a little bit of background noise. And it
Speaker 4: also helps to kind of move the recorder around because
Speaker 4: you cause a little bit of noise. You're not not
Speaker 4: the steady state noise of the fan, but just interrupted
Speaker 4: noise with moving the recorder. And if you run a
Speaker 4: recorder for three or four minutes and then listen back
Speaker 4: to that very carefully, and you listen to the noise
Speaker 4: in between your voice, it helps, by the way, to
Speaker 4: talk like ask questions, and in between your voice, you
Speaker 4: look for the in the noise. It might take Lease
Speaker 4: and I a half hour to review a three minute recording,
Speaker 4: and you will sometimes find sound the noise that has
Speaker 4: been transferred formed into voice like sounds if you listen carefully.
Speaker 4: In some places, what we'll call a class A, which
Speaker 4: is a fairly rare class A. Example, you can clearly
Speaker 4: hear the pronunciation of words, and usual there will be
Speaker 4: one or two words and they'll tend to be garbled
Speaker 4: towards the end. Like Lisa recorded one from her mother,
Speaker 4: so you could clearly hear that was a woman who
Speaker 4: sounded like her mother. I was able to recognize a
Speaker 4: voice without prompting, and it garbles off at the end,
Speaker 4: so it says I miss you, Lisa, and the last
Speaker 4: part of Lisa's name is garbled. But that's kind of
Speaker 4: what we we find with EVP. It's not like mediumship
Speaker 4: where somebody's giving you a message from the other side.
Speaker 4: In this case, it's just you and that recorder and
Speaker 4: sometimes the voice is on it, and anybody should be
Speaker 4: able to record it a voice, and it just takes
Speaker 4: some patience, I think, and then a little bit of work.
Speaker 4: Let's to it. We really want people when they work
Speaker 4: with e v P, first of all, learn to do
Speaker 4: it themselves rather than get somebody to do it for him.
Speaker 4: Don't use the some of the ghost boxes and you
Speaker 4: know some of the modern technology. You just use background
Speaker 4: noise in a recorder and the open the open to
Speaker 4: alternative explanations. Always use I have people help you listen
Speaker 4: to them in the sense of you ask, you know,
Speaker 4: a friend, what are you hearing this? Don't say do
Speaker 4: you hear my name? Say what are you hearing? And
Speaker 4: so in ours try to maintain an objective view, because
Speaker 4: one of the things we've learned over the years is
Speaker 4: that it's really easy to delude yourself, to fool yourself
Speaker 4: into thinking something is there that's not when you can
Speaker 4: sometimes recognize the voice and things that say exactly true
Speaker 4: for for your for your listeners. One of the things
Speaker 4: is on the website a trans sat out or a
Speaker 4: t R A n C dot org. We have a
Speaker 4: white paper. It's fairly lengthy, but it has the background
Speaker 4: of a VP. It has techniques and how to record
Speaker 4: a little bit about what is and isn't how to
Speaker 4: listen to it. So there's a pretty good how to
Speaker 4: manual that they can download.
Speaker 3: What do you call the images that I think in
Speaker 3: your book, your new book, there's images of people and
Speaker 3: then they had a television screen. The television was turned off,
Speaker 3: and then in the picture that's photographed in the background
Speaker 3: you see partial faces.
Speaker 4: Those are officially called faces on turned off televisions.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful terminology.
Speaker 4: I don't know. They're one of the phenomena that we
Speaker 4: study that just doesn't fit any of the other phenomena.
Speaker 4: It doesn't fit any of our models whatsoever. We have
Speaker 4: a lot of cases there's almost always a child in
Speaker 4: the picture and it's a situation and say, you know,
Speaker 4: like Mama's taking a picture of b be doing something.
Speaker 4: There's a television set in the background and it's turned off.
Speaker 4: Sometimes there'll be a face on that television set that
Speaker 4: doesn't belong there. It's sometimes there'll be in color, it
Speaker 4: might be reflected, but you know it's shaped out of
Speaker 4: a reflective light. But television sets have a neutral density,
Speaker 4: and photograph shows up as a neutral density with a
Speaker 4: little bit of optical noise in it, and it turns
Speaker 4: out to be an ideal media for a phenomena. So
Speaker 4: we're not sure exactly what it is, but it's worthwhile
Speaker 4: for people to check their pictures, maybe pictures when there's
Speaker 4: something reflective in the background, to see if there isn't
Speaker 4: a face in it. We'd love to get more examples
Speaker 4: of that mailed to us.
Speaker 3: By the way, since I talked to Tom, many moons ago.
Speaker 3: There is a lot with pictures, with recordings of how
Speaker 3: to record with books, tons of information, good people, a
Speaker 3: TRAMC dot org. So let's go to the break and
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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's the Wizard of Weird Joshua P. Warren
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have more fun in this episode because I've
Speaker 3: got some phenomenal EVPs to play for you, and we're
Speaker 3: also going to talk about how to record EVPs. Sounds exciting,
Speaker 3: doesn't it. Now I've got some good news and some
Speaker 3: bad news. Which one do you want first? Oh? I
Speaker 3: know you can't hear me, Sandra. I'm going to tell
Speaker 3: you The good news is EVPs are absolutely possible for
Speaker 3: all people to receive absolutely they are. The bad news
Speaker 3: is it takes patience, it takes practice, and it takes commitment.
Speaker 3: You may not want to do or have the level
Speaker 3: of commitment needed to do EVPs. I spoke earlier about
Speaker 3: the Big Circle. All these years later, they still meet
Speaker 3: on the first and third Thursdays of the month, eight
Speaker 3: o'clock pm your time. People all over the world are recording.
Speaker 3: You can go to messages from the Big Circle dot
Speaker 3: org to be a part of that. You can also
Speaker 3: listen to dozens of EVPs recorded. Some people post EVPs
Speaker 3: there and ask for assistance. What is this? What does
Speaker 3: it sound like to you? I highly recommend it if
Speaker 3: you have that commitment. And I talk about commitment because
Speaker 3: imagine you're on the other side and you find out, oh,
Speaker 3: my loved one is interested in recording EVPs. I believe
Speaker 3: there's some scientists and some mighty smart people that help
Speaker 3: teach our people how to use their thoughts to rearrange
Speaker 3: sounds on these recorders. So they go through a lot
Speaker 3: of effort. If you do it once and say, ah,
Speaker 3: nothing's there, well who knows if there was or if
Speaker 3: there wasn't. But when you make the commitment and those
Speaker 3: in the spirit world know when you're going to record,
Speaker 3: and they see how committed you are to it, they'll
Speaker 3: be more committed on their side as well. The clips
Speaker 3: I'm going to play in just a moment are from
Speaker 3: two highly committed people. First is Sherry Pearl. You can
Speaker 3: go to her website. Let me spell it for you,
Speaker 3: because it's not as it sounds, s h eeri p
Speaker 3: er l. She has an awful lot of instruction how
Speaker 3: to do EVPs. She records them a different way. She
Speaker 3: uses her computer and she uses what's called gibberish as
Speaker 3: a background noise, so it really is chopped up voices
Speaker 3: that you cannot understand. And she will have a conversation
Speaker 3: with a loved one or ask for people in the
Speaker 3: afterlife to talk to her. She uses a program called Audacity,
Speaker 3: which is free. In fact, she has all the instructions
Speaker 3: on her website on how to do this. She plays
Speaker 3: the gibberish, she talks to a loved one, perhaps asks
Speaker 3: a question, waits for maybe ten or fifteen seconds without
Speaker 3: saying anything, and does it again, asks another question. What
Speaker 3: I'd like to do now is play some of Sherry
Speaker 3: Pearls captured EVPs in this first one, you'll hear Sherry
Speaker 3: asking her son Danny, who is in spirit, to say
Speaker 3: I love you, Ma, and you'll hear Danny say it.
Speaker 5: Danny.
Speaker 3: Can next see if you think this sounds like Adam?
Speaker 3: Can you hear me me that? To me, this sounds
Speaker 3: like good evening. Sherry doesn't always use gibberish. She records
Speaker 3: all kinds of things. This is her dog breathing, and
Speaker 3: you can hear a very breathy I love you. One
Speaker 3: last one from Sherry. She was looking to connect with
Speaker 3: a Portuguese boy and she played Portuguese gibberish and he says,
Speaker 3: I speak in English, says something to me in English
Speaker 3: to let me know I should use this.
Speaker 10: I speak, I speaking, I speaking.
Speaker 3: Next, we have some EVPs from Sonya Rinaldi. You remember
Speaker 3: her from episode number one I hope. She is the
Speaker 3: researcher in Brazil who we produced a movie about. You
Speaker 3: can still see that movie that we Don't Die dot com.
Speaker 3: This is her in touch with Murray in the afterlife,
Speaker 3: who passed at seventy seven years old from a stroke.
Speaker 3: She is recording with Murray's wife, Betty Anne. So you'll
Speaker 3: hear Sonia, can you speak a message to Betty Anne
Speaker 3: and you hear Murray say, I say I've returned to you.
Speaker 3: I love you. Can we speak a message to Betty in.
Speaker 7: I say I have a return to you. I you.
Speaker 7: I say I've a return to you. I.
Speaker 3: I'm only going to play one more EVP and then
Speaker 3: we'll get into the instructions. But this is my top
Speaker 3: number one all time favorite. It brings tears of joy
Speaker 3: to my eyes every time I hear it. Sonya was
Speaker 3: working with a mom, her daughter, Stephanie, past of cancer
Speaker 3: at only nine years old. Sonya, you'll hear asks would
Speaker 3: you like to leave a message to your mother? And
Speaker 3: I think you're going to be able to hear what
Speaker 3: her answer is, would you like to leave a message
Speaker 3: to your mother?
Speaker 8: Mommy think time.
Speaker 3: If there's any doubt, that's mommy, I can talk.
Speaker 8: Mommy, think time, Mommy, think time, Mommy think in time.
Speaker 3: Yes, they can talk, and you know why because they're
Speaker 3: still alive. Depending on when you listen to this, you
Speaker 3: can join us live for a presentation with Sonia or
Speaker 3: watch the replay of it. Go to We Don'tdie dot
Speaker 3: com click on the store page. We're doing a two
Speaker 3: hour event with Sonia for her latest work of capturing
Speaker 3: images and voices from those in the afterlife. You say
Speaker 3: you're interested in recording EVPs. I would start with either
Speaker 3: your computer or with a digital recorder. You can play
Speaker 3: around with your smartphone. I haven't had any luck with it,
Speaker 3: but you may. I like to put on water as
Speaker 3: a background sound, turn the shower on, and be relatively close,
Speaker 3: but not right on top of the sound. I usually
Speaker 3: do a little prayer, little meditation that I ask those
Speaker 3: in the spirit world to work with me. I imagine
Speaker 3: this vortex, almost like a tornado of energy that builds
Speaker 3: around me. I believe it helps add the necessary energy
Speaker 3: for them to do their thing. So I take a
Speaker 3: few minutes, five ten minutes, and just really create this energy.
Speaker 3: I turn on the shower, I stand or sit maybe
Speaker 3: ten feet away. I press the record button. I talk
Speaker 3: to my loved one short questions or something short to say,
Speaker 3: and leave them ten fifteen seconds to respond. I keep
Speaker 3: my recording short, literally a minute, because going through a
Speaker 3: minute can take me an hour. Listening to the sounds,
Speaker 3: your ears will most likely just pick up the sound
Speaker 3: of the water running it's frustrating, but say to yourself,
Speaker 3: there's something else here. Listen in for another sound within
Speaker 3: the shower sound. Sometimes you hear a sound of a whisper.
Speaker 3: I say, use that Audacity program. You can watch a
Speaker 3: YouTube video or get the instructions from Sherry Pearl how
Speaker 3: to use it. But you're able to highlight those few
Speaker 3: seconds where you might hear something, and you're able to
Speaker 3: play it over and over and over again, and the
Speaker 3: brain can tell you exactly what those words are. Again,
Speaker 3: we need to look for intelligence. Quite often you will
Speaker 3: hear I love you. Because if you go to the
Speaker 3: spirit world and your loved one is doing EVPs, what's
Speaker 3: the most important thing you want to say, It's an
Speaker 3: I love you. There is something called paradolia, and that
Speaker 3: is how our mind can turn clouds into faces, or
Speaker 3: people see the Virgin Mary on a piece of toast.
Speaker 3: It can also make up words out of sounds. It
Speaker 3: can be frustrating because you may think you hear something
Speaker 3: and it might just be your brain telling you what
Speaker 3: it is. Again, you want to look for the intelligence.
Speaker 3: If you say to your son or your daughter or
Speaker 3: your loved one, can you say I love you? And
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you hear I love you, well,
Speaker 3: that'll tell you that's a real EVP. It takes persistence,
Speaker 3: it takes time, it takes passion, but it's absolutely doable.
Speaker 3: I know for many people, just hearing other examples of
Speaker 3: EVPs is enough to let you know that this is
Speaker 3: real and that your loved ones go on. They really do.
Speaker 3: They want you to know they're alive and well as
Speaker 3: much as you want to know they are. I really
Speaker 3: hope this episode has made a difference for you. I
Speaker 3: know researching EVPs has made a huge difference for me.
Speaker 3: And when I learned EVPs, that's when I chose to
Speaker 3: come out with everything else that I've learned about the afterlife.
Speaker 3: Our website is we Don't Die dot com. On that
Speaker 3: front page, if you scroll down and you enter your
Speaker 3: name and your email address, you get a free copy
Speaker 3: of my book. It says you only get the first
Speaker 3: few chapters. It's the whole book. Many people that listen
Speaker 3: to this podcast are deeply grieving. Chapter ten is how
Speaker 3: to Survive Grief. I recommend it wholeheartedly. You can read
Speaker 3: that first. Join us on our free Sunday gathering. Take
Speaker 3: a medium class so you know that you are a
Speaker 3: divine soul who has these powers. And in closing, my
Speaker 3: name is Sandra Champlain. Each episode I really try to
Speaker 3: make a difference so that you know that your loved
Speaker 3: ones are still alive and that your life matters. I
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