1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. We invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with the sandtra Channaplain. 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 3: to Coast AM employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 4: Hi. 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: on a nie to prove the existence of life after death. 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. When I 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,279 Speaker 3: woke up this morning, I had just had an incredible dream. 20 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: I was working one of my old catering jobs and 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: this handsome man showed up on the scene and he 22 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: said that he was a listener of every single one 23 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: of my podcasts. Now, in my original podcast, We Don't 24 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: Die Radio, I have four hundred episodes and here in 25 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife, well we are approaching one hundred 26 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 3: and fifty, so that is a lot of listening. And 27 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 3: he met me for the very first time face to face. 28 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: He worked the day with us this catering business, and 29 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: my mom gave me the seal of approval. She liked him, 30 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: and of course by this time, anybody who worked so 31 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: hard and listen to all my episodes, I thought, well, 32 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: maybe he's a keeper. Then I had the opportunity to 33 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: introduce him to my dad. Now Mom is still alive, 34 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: but Dad is deceased. What happened next was my dad 35 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: opening his arms to me, giving me the most real 36 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: and loving hug, as if he were still alive. I 37 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 3: don't know what happened to the possible boyfriend, but that 38 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: piece of the dream was so real to me that 39 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: that told me that was Dad saying hello and letting 40 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 3: me know that he loved me. Dreams are funny. Yes, 41 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: it would be nice to have a handsome man show 42 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 3: up who fell in love with me? Because of all 43 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: these episodes, But the important thing is the reality of 44 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 3: the most important part, and that was with my dad. 45 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: It was distinct from all the other parts of the dream. 46 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: When I woke up this morning, I actually felt like 47 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: I had just had a big hug from my dad. 48 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 3: Dreams are interesting when they are negative, that is our 49 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 3: subconscious at work. When they are real and you can 50 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 3: remember them, remember the love, it could be a big 51 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 3: smile on your face. That is a real visitation. I believe. 52 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 3: Where are we going to go today on this episode? Well, 53 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: I'd like to get into electronic voice phenomena a bit more. 54 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: Let you hear some examples and give you some ideas 55 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: how you can start recording. Why Because lately many listeners 56 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: have wanted to communicate with their loved ones. Now we 57 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: can communicate with our loved ones at any time. They 58 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: can hear us. The problem is we cannot hear them. 59 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: It's hard for us to trust when a song comes 60 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: on the radio that was our favorite song, hard to 61 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: trust that that's really our loved one. They may plant 62 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: some pictures and some memories in our mind that come 63 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: out of the blue, and it's hard to trust that 64 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: that's really them. I would like to introduce you to 65 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: some people who have had luck recording EVPs. The recordings 66 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: are a little bit older. I'm not sure if you'll 67 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: be able to understand the EVPs, so I will do 68 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: my best to tell you what I hear and then 69 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: we can go from there. I have a lovely book 70 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: in my hands called I'm Still Here, written by Martha Copeland, 71 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 3: and on the back of the book it says I'm 72 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 3: Still Here chronicles the compelling true story of a parent's 73 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: deepest pain losing a child and the remarkable healing journey 74 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: resulting in actual contact beyond life's veil. Despite the apparent 75 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: finality of death from an automobile accident, Kathy has managed 76 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 3: to try transmit messages to her mother and others via 77 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: audio segments captured on various voice recording equipment. Electronic voice phenomena, 78 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: or EVP, is just the process by which communications with 79 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 3: our deceased loved ones are possible. EVP is just beginning 80 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: to be understood, yet it has been experienced by people 81 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 3: all over the world since the advent of modern electronic devices. 82 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: Through the use of EVP, Martha discovered that friendships evolving 83 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 3: in the physical world are the result of our loved 84 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: one's efforts to contact us from the spiritual world. Story 85 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: shared from other mothers in this book validates that we 86 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 3: belong to what our loved ones in the spiritual world 87 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: refer to as the Big Circle. The Big Circle includes 88 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 3: our loved ones in the spiritual world world as well 89 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: as their loved ones in the physical world here on Earth. 90 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: After reading this book, you will never again be able 91 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: to view the world through just your physical eyes. You 92 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,799 Speaker 3: will learn to see with your spiritual eyes as well. 93 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 3: Behind every tragedy, there is a divine plan that we 94 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 3: do not realize that we are actually learning and growing 95 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: from these tragedies. Through the use of EVP, we have 96 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: come to realize that our loved ones in the spiritual 97 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: world are trying to contact us, and it's time now 98 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: to remove the do not disturb sign off Heaven's door. 99 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 3: We'll talk a little bit more about the Big Circle 100 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 3: as we continue on, and also one website that I 101 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: think you should put at the very top of your 102 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: list if you're interested in recording. EVPs is a transc 103 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: dot org which stands for the Association of trans Communication 104 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: a transc dot Org. I'd like to play a short 105 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: clip now and you can hear Martha Copeland talking about Kathy, 106 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: and then we'll get into some other people and we'll 107 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: hear some EVPs. 108 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 5: My name is Martha Copeland, and back in two thousand 109 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 5: and one, my daughter Kathy was involved in a terrible 110 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 5: accident with my niece Rachel. And after the accident, the 111 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 5: two girls made a pack that if one of them 112 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 5: should ever die, the one in the spiritual world would 113 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 5: come back and at the one in the physical world 114 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 5: know they were okay. Unfortunately, three weeks later, in December 115 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 5: twenty third, two thousand and one, my daughter was involved 116 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 5: in a fiddle accident. It was five months later that 117 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 5: my niece called me and she said, Aunt Martha, I've 118 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 5: got Kathy's voice on my computer. Naturally, I thought because 119 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 5: she was grieving, because they were cousins but also best friends, 120 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 5: she was just grieving, and you know, I said, Okay, well, 121 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 5: that's really wonderful Rachel. But then my sister got on 122 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 5: the phone and she said, no, you need to come 123 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 5: over here. It's Kathy's voice. So I went over there. 124 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 5: When she played the recording, could hear Kathy saying I'm 125 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 5: still here. And then there was a male voice that 126 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 5: followed saying, how do you know they can hear you? 127 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 5: And you can imagine how shocked and actually thrilled I 128 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 5: was to hear it. It was just unbelievable that I 129 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 5: could hear my daughter's voice again. Rachel told me about 130 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 5: the pack at that time that they had made, and 131 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 5: she started laughing, saying what Kathy at the time told her. 132 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 5: He said, if I should go first, I'm going to 133 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 5: write cat, Cat cat all over your computer screen. So 134 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 5: Rachel said she was in bed that night and she 135 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 5: said was thinking about the pack, and she started crying 136 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 5: because she missed Kathy. And she got out of bed 137 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 5: and she turned on the computer and found something about 138 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 5: EVP Electronic Voice phenomena, and she started trying to get 139 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 5: Kathy through the computer. And she tried for many, many 140 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 5: hours and didn't have any success. So she finally tried 141 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 5: one more time, and when she did, she got Kathy's 142 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 5: voice saying I'm still here. I had mothers that would 143 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 5: come to my house and they had lost children, and 144 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 5: we started recording together and when time, with much work, 145 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 5: each mother was able to get their child's voice and 146 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 5: the recordings. A mother in the group started emailing me, 147 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 5: Karen Mossey, and I started picking up herson, Rob's recordings, 148 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 5: his voice and my recordings. My recorders sometimes just mysterically 149 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 5: turned on by themselves. And one example is when I 150 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 5: left my house one time and I forgot Kathy's dog. 151 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 5: Dojah was in the house. When I returned home, he 152 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 5: hid me this huge miss I mean, gi gant it 153 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 5: mess in my house. And I picked up my recorder 154 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 5: and when I played it, I could hear Kathy's voice 155 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 5: saying Dojah no, like she's scolding the dog. 156 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: I have the recording of Doja no, and I'm going 157 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: to play it for you three times. See if you 158 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: can hear it, dojah No. This next mom you're going 159 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: to hear from is Deborah Caruso. Okay. 160 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 6: We were on vacation in Mexico and we had a 161 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 6: fatal clock crash. My son died and my daughter was 162 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 6: critically injured. My daughter was in a comra and when 163 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 6: she woke up, I had to tell her that her 164 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 6: brother died and her first words were, he can't be dead. 165 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 6: He speaks to me every day. I just was really 166 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 6: happy because I knew that he was around, and I 167 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 6: was always looking for signs that my son was around. 168 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 6: I would receive dimes, feathers, and actually, when you're a 169 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 6: mom and you're looking for a child, you accept anything 170 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 6: as a sign. And one day I took a picture. 171 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 6: It had three sevens on it, and I'm sure it 172 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 6: was a camera malfunction, but to me, it was a sign. 173 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 6: So I asked people their opinion, and someone had told 174 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 6: me as we were speaking about normal pictures, and she said, 175 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 6: you know, if you're talk into our recorder, someone might 176 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 6: answer you and you might be able to talk to 177 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 6: your son. My first reaction was, this can't be true. 178 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 6: So I went home and I turned on the sound 179 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 6: recorder of my computer. When I learned how to listen 180 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 6: for voices, as you record more, you learn to hear. 181 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 6: I went back to my first recording and my son 182 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 6: was on it. He was the next voice speaking. So 183 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 6: after that I got little bits and pieces, and someone 184 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 6: came and said, speak to her a woman. Then I 185 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 6: heard MA, and then I knew after that after that 186 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 6: he talk to me all the time. Then I realized 187 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 6: that's my son. And once you know, you just talk. 188 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 6: Now it's right, you just go Joe. 189 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 3: So this is a recording she got of her son 190 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 3: Joey saying, ma I love you, ma, I love you. 191 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: I am certain that these are not going to be 192 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: really easy for you to hear. I am hoping that 193 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 3: you hear a recording from a recording. If you're a 194 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 3: parent recording these EVPs, spending hours and hours and hours listening, 195 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 3: you have an advantage. Also if you wear headphones. We 196 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 3: have to use common sense, of course, and look for 197 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 3: the intelligence of the messages. I'm going to give you 198 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 3: a few links now, just so you can always refer 199 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: back to the very first segment here again a transc 200 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 3: dot org. Also messages from the Big Circle dot Org. 201 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: The books There Is No Death and There Are No 202 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: Dead by Tom and Lisa Butler, the book I'm Still 203 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: Here by Martha Copeland. And if you make your way 204 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 3: to YouTube, type in Sherry Pearl EVP video. So we'll 205 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 3: go on to the break. We're going to hear more examples, 206 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: some of my experience and more. 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As Martha Copeland says, 227 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: I'm still here it's the title of her book. But 228 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: I know how painful grief is, and I cannot even 229 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: imagine the pain from a child passing. If you look 230 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 3: up Helping Parents Heal. That's a really good resource for parents. 231 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 3: And also of course come to me and my website. 232 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 3: I'll tell you about at the end, and you can 233 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: have a free copy of my book. And I have 234 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: much help on grief in that as well. So I'd 235 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: like to continue on with some stories from parents and EVPs. 236 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 3: The next is Terry Dayner her story about her son Jeff. 237 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 9: On April fifteenth, two thousand and five, Our son passed. 238 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 9: Jeff was in a tragic accident in La in an 239 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 9: automobile accident. Jeff had performed in the Shiners circus at 240 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 9: the Shriner's Auditorium in La Jeff was extreme the post 241 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 9: to all the cat they were like his kids. The 242 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 9: morning he passed, and the tiger you carry on his 243 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 9: shoulders started to cry as if she knew what had 244 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 9: happened to Jeff. All the other cats started crying. They 245 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 9: cried all night they knew Jeff had passed. The following week, 246 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 9: after the memorial service, on April twenty first, two thousand 247 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 9: and five, Dave, his dad, and I were walking through 248 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 9: the cat barn. I had a small Jason hundred recorder. 249 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 9: We were giving the cats closure stopping at each set 250 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 9: of cat cages. I had taken the recorder out when 251 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 9: walking through the cat barn and recorded cats puffering and 252 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 9: talking to me. After returning home, I got out the 253 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 9: little recorder and listened to all the cats puffering and rowing. 254 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 9: To my amazement, I hear Hi, Mom, Jeff, my son. 255 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 9: I was so excited happy. Words cannot express how I felt. 256 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: I have that recording. I'll play it three times of 257 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 3: Jeff saying Hi Momi. 258 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 9: Hi Mom. I call it mana a godsend. I know 259 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 9: now that he is in a good place and that 260 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 9: one day I will join him there God willing. I 261 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 9: miss you, Jeff, I love you, WE love you, Mom 262 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 9: and Dad. 263 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: Next, I'd like to play some words from Vicky Talbot, 264 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: who was speaking at a com for ins in Atlanta, Georgia, 265 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 3: back in two thousand and six. Believe it or not, 266 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 3: I was at that conference and I was heavy duty 267 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: into recording EVPs at that time. So this recording is 268 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 3: Vicky Talbot as she's presenting at the conference. So it's 269 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 3: going to make it a little bit more difficult to 270 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: hear it, but I think you can understand it. 271 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 10: My son Braden and his best friend Jim were in 272 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 10: a kayaking accident and they actually never returned. That was 273 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 10: in March of two thousand and one. Then I started 274 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 10: hearing from him on my answering machine, surprisingly enough, saying 275 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 10: things like what up, and Jim came through saying I'll 276 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 10: come again. We started taking spirit photography and thought every 277 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 10: single orb we got was Braiden or Jim, and then 278 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 10: we decided we'd explore electronic Voice phenomenon. So we looked 279 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 10: on a website and we found the American Association of 280 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 10: Electronic Voice Phenomena. I joined the Big Circle and right 281 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 10: after I joined the Big Circle and introduced myself and Braiden, 282 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 10: they came back with, hey, we've heard from Braiden. We 283 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 10: have EVP mentioning Braiden, and they proceeded to pile them 284 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 10: on me and I thought, well, if they can get 285 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 10: him and he can come on my answering machine, then 286 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 10: I can get him. So I went out and bought 287 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 10: a recorder and started recording. This is one of my 288 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 10: first messages from Braiden, and I liked it because it 289 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 10: had been quite a few years since we actually contacted 290 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 10: one another. It's a bit distorted, but it came along 291 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 10: with validating information that it was him. 292 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 3: This first one is I missed you. I missed you. 293 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 10: The next one, the next one is a good one. 294 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 10: This is for Martha from Kathy. I got it at 295 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 10: my house and Martha wasn't recording at the time, she 296 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 10: was too busy preparing for the conference a couple of 297 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 10: years ago. And I picked up Kathy saying brain turd. 298 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 10: And I immediately emailed Martha, and she emailed me back 299 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 10: and said, you're not going to believe this. But I 300 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 10: was just telling my sister was at Donna Donna that 301 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 10: I was having a major brain heard about the conference. 302 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 10: So you'll hear Kathy say brain heard. And then at 303 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 10: the end, another female says awi and I don't know 304 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 10: what that means. I don't know who hurt whom. 305 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 6: But. 306 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 10: How And Braden likes to say that he loves us. 307 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 10: And here he is saying, I love mom, Mom. Here's Jim, 308 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 10: and this is particularly typical of Jim's voice. It's from 309 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 10: the DR sixty, and the d R sixty has a 310 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 10: tendency to be a bit raspy. But here he's talking 311 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 10: to his mother and saying Mom. It's Jim with Braden 312 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 10: and the next one, we're all the big circle. That 313 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 10: was a very strange sounding voice, and it came at 314 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 10: the end of a rather long clip of about nine 315 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 10: minutes and eleven seconds, and I had forgotten to turn 316 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 10: the recorder off. Some of it was clear, but most 317 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 10: of it was Class C or worse. 318 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 3: Here's a female, this one she believes, says, hey, I 319 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: know Branden O. 320 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 6: Great. Great. 321 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 10: That was done out at the lake and there was 322 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 10: no one else around. And we got a couple of 323 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 10: this same person speaking, that's that's me down at the cove. 324 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 10: That's where the boys set out, and I'm throwing a 325 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 10: rose out. We go down there quite often. Actually, earlier today, 326 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 10: we heard a couple of times about how this is 327 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 10: a miracle, and they like to let us know that 328 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 10: the first one isn't all that clear, but they're saying, see, 329 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 10: it's a miracle, and then again miracles Michael, Michael, and 330 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 10: I guess that's how I'd like to end. It is 331 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 10: a miracle. 332 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 3: This form of communication definitely is a miracle. And if 333 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 3: you couldn't hear these examples, or you're of a skeptical 334 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 3: mind and you're not convinced, I have to tell you 335 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to convince you. There are thousands of 336 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: people who work with EVPs, who have loved ones that 337 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: are in the other world that have gotten particular messages, 338 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 3: and the more you listen, the more you'll be able 339 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 3: to hear them. Let's imagine for a minute that you 340 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 3: only spoke English. You don't speak the German language, and 341 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: if you hear people speaking German, it just sounds like 342 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: random noises. Well, once you learn German, and all of 343 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 3: a sudden you hear people speaking it, you may recognize 344 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 3: some words. The same thing holds true with EVPs. I 345 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: use a digital recorder. I've not had any luck using 346 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 3: an iPhone. A lot of people use their computer. The 347 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: one lady said she got messages on an answering machine. Well, 348 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 3: we don't have answering machines too much anymore, but there's 349 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 3: different ways they can communicate. What I have learned, or 350 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 3: that I believe, is that our loved ones take the 351 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 3: sounds within the recorder and they're able to rearrange the 352 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 3: sound into words. When I got my very first recording, 353 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 3: which I'll play for you in a moment, I was 354 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 3: recording rain drops. That was it. Nothing else was going on, 355 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 3: just rain drops. I had really wanted to believe EVP 356 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: was real. I heard some great examples, but unless I 357 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 3: could hear it in my own device, I wasn't quite 358 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 3: buying it. So I held out my digital tape recorder 359 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 3: sitting on a bed alone in a cabin in the 360 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 3: woods the Omega Center in New York, and I just 361 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 3: said to my loved ones, if you're here and this 362 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: is real and I'm meant to help people believe in 363 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 3: the afterlife, I need you to talk really loud, and 364 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: then I will say good night. So I recorded just 365 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: one minute. That's it, one minute recording rain drops, and 366 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 3: then when I played it back on second number forty six, 367 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 3: this is what I hear. Now. I was talking to 368 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 3: my deceased grandmother, grandfather, aunt, and uncle, completely thinking I 369 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: was just talking to myself. And what I hear on 370 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: this recording is good night, Sandra in a man's voice, 371 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 3: then two women going good night, good night, and then 372 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 3: a man's voice good night. So let's listen. I sure 373 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 3: hope you could hear that, but I know you may 374 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 3: not have. It's okay. We do the best we can, 375 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 3: right There needs to be some intelligence with the messages. 376 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 3: For instance, saying goodnight. I have spent some time on 377 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: YouTube and there's a lot of people that claim they've 378 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 3: gotten EVPs and they are what common Lisa Butler would 379 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: call class C. Class A is something everybody can hear 380 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: loud and clear. Class B maybe not so much. Class 381 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 3: C is you definitely know something is there, but our 382 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 3: mind can make up words. So there are plenty of examples. 383 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 3: And they say it says one thing, my brain's saying 384 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: it says something else, So you really want to look 385 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 3: for the intelligence behind it. Mom and dads know their kids, 386 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 3: They know their manner of speaking, they know the expressions 387 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 3: they use, so if they pick up on those, they 388 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 3: can make perfect sense. There are people out there who 389 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 3: supposedly get messages from long gone movie stars, and I 390 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 3: don't quite buy it, because if a movie star wanted 391 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 3: to talk to somebody, chances are it would be somebody 392 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 3: in their own family, not just a random stranger. People 393 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 3: report these negative messages, well, that sells TV shows, but 394 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 3: I've learned the only messages that come through are messages 395 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 3: of love and quite often messages of humor, because we 396 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 3: get to keep our sense of humor when we go 397 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 3: to the afterlife, when we come back. Well, here's some 398 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 3: words from Tom Butler, who created the a trans c 399 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 3: Association of Transcommunication with his wife Lisa. 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I'm Sandra's Champlain. 417 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 3: And then the next couple of segments. We're going to 418 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 3: hear from Tom Butler. He and his wife run the 419 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 3: Association for trans Communication. But also I want to give 420 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 3: you some instructions if you want to start recording EVPs yourself. 421 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 3: We're trying to having that commitment and a regular practice. 422 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 3: But first let's talk about this association. A woman named 423 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 3: Sarah Eastep actually started it back in nineteen eighty two. 424 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 3: It was founded as the American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena. 425 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 3: In the year two thousand, Tom and Lisa Butler took 426 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 3: it over. The name ended up changing to Association for 427 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 3: trans Communication because it's not just audios. There's pictures that 428 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 3: come through. If you followed my experiences with Sonya Andaldi, 429 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 3: you know that she's collected the EVPs and also videos 430 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 3: and pictures from the afterlife. So this whole world is 431 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 3: called trans communication, all right. So Tom in his background, 432 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 3: he has been an electronics engineer for many, many years 433 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 3: in the communication industry, but for over fifty years he's 434 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: also been interested in the afterlife. He and his wife 435 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: Lisa are the authors of the book There Is No 436 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 3: Death and There Are No Dead, and also the book 437 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: Your Immortal Self. So many moons ago, I had an 438 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 3: opportunity to talk to Tom, so I want to just play 439 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 3: for you some of the conversation. 440 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 8: Now. 441 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 4: It has been a long journey, but I'm most interested 442 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 4: in the fact that you really have made some changes Meat. 443 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 3: Thank you. You guys continue to be on the path 444 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 3: to just finding out some phenomenal things and sharing them 445 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: in this world of transcommunication. Well, let's back up, because 446 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 3: some people have never read my book or know who 447 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 3: you are or anything like that. Can you give us 448 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 3: a little bit of the background of you, because I 449 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 3: believe I read some that even in your teens, you 450 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 3: were interested in this sort of thing. 451 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 4: My first introduction when I discovered I wasn't give me 452 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 4: the first man on the Moon. I like to say 453 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 4: that I kept looking at these in the science magazines 454 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 4: I read. I kept seeing these thoughts have wings, I 455 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 4: think it's said advertisements by the rosicrusions, and I finally 456 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 4: joined them in high school. That was my first introduction 457 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 4: to formal introduction to the things paranormal, and it's been 458 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 4: often on every since. And as an engineer, my training 459 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 4: is and also my temperament is that you can't ignore 460 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 4: influences when you design a system, you have to pay 461 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 4: attention to every input and output otherwise, you know, and 462 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 4: in some disponge you can get somebody killed by ignoring 463 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 4: the wrong inputs. And so when we come to the 464 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 4: study of things electronic voice phenomena or the visual forms 465 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 4: of it, you've got a whole bunch of different influences 466 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 4: that you have to model. And that's right down my alley. 467 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 4: So after all these years of studying everything, when Lisa 468 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 4: introduced me to the EVP after she read the Airy 469 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 4: Step book, then it all became one big modeling challenge 470 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 4: to me. So that's kind of where we ended up 471 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 4: with in this new book. 472 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 3: Now, when you met Lisa back of the day, where 473 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 3: either of you into life after death or spiritualism or 474 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 3: any of that sort of thing, or did that come 475 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: after And. 476 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 4: When we met this is eighty two, she was reading 477 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 4: Out on the Limb by Shirley MacLean, So we were 478 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 4: kind of into all that at the time. It was 479 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 4: kind of interesting. When you're going through your professional life, 480 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 4: you come and go with your interests as you pay 481 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 4: attention to work, and that was the same for us. 482 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 4: And when we that we got married within a couple 483 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 4: of weeks actually, and you know, we've been around the 484 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 4: block a few times by Yeah, so we got married. 485 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 4: And it turns out that we got married just about 486 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 4: the day that Sara Eastip started the ae VP that 487 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 4: we took over. Looking back, and we've talked about this 488 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 4: and the Note Dead book that we wrote together, that 489 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 4: it seems as if we've had free will, but it 490 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 4: seems like a lot of our choices have been exactly 491 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 4: leading us toward this, and so we do feel guided. 492 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 4: And even when I wrote this new book, I there 493 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 4: were a lot of mornings I woke up with, well, 494 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 4: I got to change that chapter to this that kind 495 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 4: of thought. So the guidance and we're not unique, I'm not. 496 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 4: I'm just a really reporter in this. You're finding out 497 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 4: yourself that you can learn these abilities and they're really 498 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 4: something that they're in eight and all of us that 499 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 4: just that we're learning to pay attention and so we're 500 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 4: all guided. Let's look at EVP. We worked with it 501 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 4: with quite a few people. We had one group within 502 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 4: our organization we referred to as a Big Circle, and 503 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 4: it was mostly mothers who had lost loved ones or 504 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 4: children to the other side, and they were trying to 505 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 4: use EVP to make contact, and some of them made 506 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 4: some very good contact and we were fortunate enough to 507 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 4: have three or four members who would call or it 508 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 4: would be very confident practitioners. They were able to produce 509 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 4: EVP pretty much on demand, so we were able to 510 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 4: conduct some studies with it, and through the studies, we've 511 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 4: pretty well established kind of how it works, what does work, 512 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 4: and what doesn't work. And about the time that the 513 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 4: big circle was winding down and people were moving on 514 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 4: in their lives and everything technique called radio sweep show 515 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 4: that showed up and it's become kind of a silver 516 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 4: bullet and everybody using it. I won't go into the 517 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 4: detail of how it's supposed to work, but basically our 518 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 4: research on it, our study of it pretty much convinced 519 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 4: us that it doesn't actually produce electronic voice phenomena, although 520 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 4: the noise it produces sometimes is used for EVP, like 521 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 4: what we call transferm EVP. So anyway, the bottom line 522 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 4: is that we've learned kind of what VP and what 523 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 4: EVP is not and have used it as kind of 524 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 4: a light lab rat to develop some pretty good series 525 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 4: of how transcommunication works. 526 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 3: Can we pack up just a little bit. It just 527 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 3: dawned on me that I'm assuming every person listening knows 528 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 3: exactly what EVP is. Can you just give a little 529 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 3: basic of what actually happens in angry that if. 530 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 4: You anybody takes takes an audio recorder and gets into 531 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 4: an environmental situation, it's a quiet room where they know 532 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 4: what the noises are around them, and it helps to 533 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 4: have a little bit maybe a fan or something in 534 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 4: the background, a little bit of background noise. And it 535 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 4: also helps to kind of move the recorder around because 536 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 4: you cause a little bit of noise. You're not not 537 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 4: the steady state noise of the fan, but just interrupted 538 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 4: noise with moving the recorder. And if you run a 539 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 4: recorder for three or four minutes and then listen back 540 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 4: to that very carefully, and you listen to the noise 541 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 4: in between your voice, it helps, by the way, to 542 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 4: talk like ask questions, and in between your voice, you 543 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 4: look for the in the noise. It might take Lease 544 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 4: and I a half hour to review a three minute recording, 545 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 4: and you will sometimes find sound the noise that has 546 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 4: been transferred formed into voice like sounds if you listen carefully. 547 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 4: In some places, what we'll call a class A, which 548 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 4: is a fairly rare class A. Example, you can clearly 549 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 4: hear the pronunciation of words, and usual there will be 550 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 4: one or two words and they'll tend to be garbled 551 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,959 Speaker 4: towards the end. Like Lisa recorded one from her mother, 552 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 4: so you could clearly hear that was a woman who 553 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 4: sounded like her mother. I was able to recognize a 554 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 4: voice without prompting, and it garbles off at the end, 555 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 4: so it says I miss you, Lisa, and the last 556 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 4: part of Lisa's name is garbled. But that's kind of 557 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 4: what we we find with EVP. It's not like mediumship 558 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 4: where somebody's giving you a message from the other side. 559 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 4: In this case, it's just you and that recorder and 560 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 4: sometimes the voice is on it, and anybody should be 561 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 4: able to record it a voice, and it just takes 562 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 4: some patience, I think, and then a little bit of work. 563 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 4: Let's to it. We really want people when they work 564 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 4: with e v P, first of all, learn to do 565 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 4: it themselves rather than get somebody to do it for him. 566 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 4: Don't use the some of the ghost boxes and you 567 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 4: know some of the modern technology. You just use background 568 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 4: noise in a recorder and the open the open to 569 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 4: alternative explanations. Always use I have people help you listen 570 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 4: to them in the sense of you ask, you know, 571 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 4: a friend, what are you hearing this? Don't say do 572 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 4: you hear my name? Say what are you hearing? And 573 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 4: so in ours try to maintain an objective view, because 574 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 4: one of the things we've learned over the years is 575 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 4: that it's really easy to delude yourself, to fool yourself 576 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 4: into thinking something is there that's not when you can 577 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 4: sometimes recognize the voice and things that say exactly true 578 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 4: for for your for your listeners. One of the things 579 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 4: is on the website a trans sat out or a 580 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 4: t R A n C dot org. We have a 581 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 4: white paper. It's fairly lengthy, but it has the background 582 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 4: of a VP. It has techniques and how to record 583 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 4: a little bit about what is and isn't how to 584 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 4: listen to it. So there's a pretty good how to 585 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 4: manual that they can download. 586 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 3: What do you call the images that I think in 587 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 3: your book, your new book, there's images of people and 588 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 3: then they had a television screen. The television was turned off, 589 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 3: and then in the picture that's photographed in the background 590 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 3: you see partial faces. 591 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 4: Those are officially called faces on turned off televisions. 592 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 3: It's beautiful terminology. 593 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 4: I don't know. They're one of the phenomena that we 594 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 4: study that just doesn't fit any of the other phenomena. 595 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 4: It doesn't fit any of our models whatsoever. We have 596 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 4: a lot of cases there's almost always a child in 597 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 4: the picture and it's a situation and say, you know, 598 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 4: like Mama's taking a picture of b be doing something. 599 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 4: There's a television set in the background and it's turned off. 600 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 4: Sometimes there'll be a face on that television set that 601 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 4: doesn't belong there. It's sometimes there'll be in color, it 602 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 4: might be reflected, but you know it's shaped out of 603 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 4: a reflective light. But television sets have a neutral density, 604 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 4: and photograph shows up as a neutral density with a 605 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 4: little bit of optical noise in it, and it turns 606 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 4: out to be an ideal media for a phenomena. So 607 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 4: we're not sure exactly what it is, but it's worthwhile 608 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 4: for people to check their pictures, maybe pictures when there's 609 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 4: something reflective in the background, to see if there isn't 610 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 4: a face in it. We'd love to get more examples 611 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 4: of that mailed to us. 612 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 3: By the way, since I talked to Tom, many moons ago. 613 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 3: There is a lot with pictures, with recordings of how 614 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 3: to record with books, tons of information, good people, a 615 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 3: TRAMC dot org. So let's go to the break and 616 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 3: we'll be back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 617 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 3: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 618 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 8: Stay right there. 619 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:31,280 Speaker 12: There's more Sandra coming right out before the art Belvault 620 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 12: has classic audio waiting for you. Now go to Coast 621 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 12: to Coast AM dot com forward details. 622 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's the Wizard of Weird Joshua P. Warren 623 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: and you're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 624 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 625 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. 626 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,879 Speaker 3: We're gonna have more fun in this episode because I've 627 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 3: got some phenomenal EVPs to play for you, and we're 628 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 3: also going to talk about how to record EVPs. Sounds exciting, 629 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 3: doesn't it. Now I've got some good news and some 630 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 3: bad news. Which one do you want first? Oh? I 631 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 3: know you can't hear me, Sandra. I'm going to tell 632 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 3: you The good news is EVPs are absolutely possible for 633 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 3: all people to receive absolutely they are. The bad news 634 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 3: is it takes patience, it takes practice, and it takes commitment. 635 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 3: You may not want to do or have the level 636 00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 3: of commitment needed to do EVPs. I spoke earlier about 637 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,720 Speaker 3: the Big Circle. All these years later, they still meet 638 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 3: on the first and third Thursdays of the month, eight 639 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 3: o'clock pm your time. People all over the world are recording. 640 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 3: You can go to messages from the Big Circle dot 641 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 3: org to be a part of that. You can also 642 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 3: listen to dozens of EVPs recorded. Some people post EVPs 643 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 3: there and ask for assistance. What is this? What does 644 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 3: it sound like to you? I highly recommend it if 645 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 3: you have that commitment. And I talk about commitment because 646 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 3: imagine you're on the other side and you find out, oh, 647 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 3: my loved one is interested in recording EVPs. I believe 648 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 3: there's some scientists and some mighty smart people that help 649 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 3: teach our people how to use their thoughts to rearrange 650 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 3: sounds on these recorders. So they go through a lot 651 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 3: of effort. If you do it once and say, ah, 652 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 3: nothing's there, well who knows if there was or if 653 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 3: there wasn't. But when you make the commitment and those 654 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,280 Speaker 3: in the spirit world know when you're going to record, 655 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 3: and they see how committed you are to it, they'll 656 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 3: be more committed on their side as well. The clips 657 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,439 Speaker 3: I'm going to play in just a moment are from 658 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 3: two highly committed people. First is Sherry Pearl. You can 659 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 3: go to her website. Let me spell it for you, 660 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 3: because it's not as it sounds, s h eeri p 661 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 3: er l. She has an awful lot of instruction how 662 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 3: to do EVPs. She records them a different way. She 663 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 3: uses her computer and she uses what's called gibberish as 664 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 3: a background noise, so it really is chopped up voices 665 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 3: that you cannot understand. And she will have a conversation 666 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 3: with a loved one or ask for people in the 667 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,720 Speaker 3: afterlife to talk to her. She uses a program called Audacity, 668 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 3: which is free. In fact, she has all the instructions 669 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 3: on her website on how to do this. She plays 670 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 3: the gibberish, she talks to a loved one, perhaps asks 671 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 3: a question, waits for maybe ten or fifteen seconds without 672 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,839 Speaker 3: saying anything, and does it again, asks another question. What 673 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 3: I'd like to do now is play some of Sherry 674 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 3: Pearls captured EVPs in this first one, you'll hear Sherry 675 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 3: asking her son Danny, who is in spirit, to say 676 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 3: I love you, Ma, and you'll hear Danny say it. 677 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:52,800 Speaker 5: Danny. 678 00:44:53,040 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 3: Can next see if you think this sounds like Adam? 679 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 3: Can you hear me me that? To me, this sounds 680 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 3: like good evening. Sherry doesn't always use gibberish. She records 681 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 3: all kinds of things. This is her dog breathing, and 682 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:42,879 Speaker 3: you can hear a very breathy I love you. One 683 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 3: last one from Sherry. She was looking to connect with 684 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 3: a Portuguese boy and she played Portuguese gibberish and he says, 685 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 3: I speak in English, says something to me in English 686 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 3: to let me know I should use this. 687 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 10: I speak, I speaking, I speaking. 688 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 3: Next, we have some EVPs from Sonya Rinaldi. You remember 689 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 3: her from episode number one I hope. She is the 690 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 3: researcher in Brazil who we produced a movie about. You 691 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 3: can still see that movie that we Don't Die dot com. 692 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 3: This is her in touch with Murray in the afterlife, 693 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,400 Speaker 3: who passed at seventy seven years old from a stroke. 694 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,839 Speaker 3: She is recording with Murray's wife, Betty Anne. So you'll 695 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 3: hear Sonia, can you speak a message to Betty Anne 696 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 3: and you hear Murray say, I say I've returned to you. 697 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 3: I love you. Can we speak a message to Betty in. 698 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 7: I say I have a return to you. I you. 699 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 7: I say I have a return to you. I you. 700 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 7: I say I've a return to you. I. 701 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 3: I'm only going to play one more EVP and then 702 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,320 Speaker 3: we'll get into the instructions. But this is my top 703 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,440 Speaker 3: number one all time favorite. It brings tears of joy 704 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 3: to my eyes every time I hear it. Sonya was 705 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 3: working with a mom, her daughter, Stephanie, past of cancer 706 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:30,520 Speaker 3: at only nine years old. Sonya, you'll hear asks would 707 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 3: you like to leave a message to your mother? And 708 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 3: I think you're going to be able to hear what 709 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,840 Speaker 3: her answer is, would you like to leave a message 710 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:39,720 Speaker 3: to your mother? 711 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 8: Mommy think time. 712 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 3: If there's any doubt, that's mommy, I can talk. 713 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:58,760 Speaker 8: Mommy, think time, Mommy, think time, Mommy think in time. 714 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 3: Yes, they can talk, and you know why because they're 715 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 3: still alive. Depending on when you listen to this, you 716 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,360 Speaker 3: can join us live for a presentation with Sonia or 717 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,920 Speaker 3: watch the replay of it. Go to We Don'tdie dot 718 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 3: com click on the store page. We're doing a two 719 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 3: hour event with Sonia for her latest work of capturing 720 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,879 Speaker 3: images and voices from those in the afterlife. You say 721 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 3: you're interested in recording EVPs. I would start with either 722 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 3: your computer or with a digital recorder. You can play 723 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 3: around with your smartphone. I haven't had any luck with it, 724 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,279 Speaker 3: but you may. I like to put on water as 725 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 3: a background sound, turn the shower on, and be relatively close, 726 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 3: but not right on top of the sound. I usually 727 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 3: do a little prayer, little meditation that I ask those 728 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 3: in the spirit world to work with me. I imagine 729 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,880 Speaker 3: this vortex, almost like a tornado of energy that builds 730 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 3: around me. I believe it helps add the necessary energy 731 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,920 Speaker 3: for them to do their thing. So I take a 732 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,840 Speaker 3: few minutes, five ten minutes, and just really create this energy. 733 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,120 Speaker 3: I turn on the shower, I stand or sit maybe 734 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,319 Speaker 3: ten feet away. I press the record button. I talk 735 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:32,320 Speaker 3: to my loved one short questions or something short to say, 736 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 3: and leave them ten fifteen seconds to respond. I keep 737 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 3: my recording short, literally a minute, because going through a 738 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 3: minute can take me an hour. Listening to the sounds, 739 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,360 Speaker 3: your ears will most likely just pick up the sound 740 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,759 Speaker 3: of the water running it's frustrating, but say to yourself, 741 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 3: there's something else here. Listen in for another sound within 742 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,360 Speaker 3: the shower sound. Sometimes you hear a sound of a whisper. 743 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 3: I say, use that Audacity program. You can watch a 744 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,799 Speaker 3: YouTube video or get the instructions from Sherry Pearl how 745 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,439 Speaker 3: to use it. But you're able to highlight those few 746 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 3: seconds where you might hear something, and you're able to 747 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,279 Speaker 3: play it over and over and over again, and the 748 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:33,320 Speaker 3: brain can tell you exactly what those words are. Again, 749 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,560 Speaker 3: we need to look for intelligence. Quite often you will 750 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,319 Speaker 3: hear I love you. Because if you go to the 751 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,879 Speaker 3: spirit world and your loved one is doing EVPs, what's 752 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 3: the most important thing you want to say, It's an 753 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:53,200 Speaker 3: I love you. There is something called paradolia, and that 754 00:50:53,520 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 3: is how our mind can turn clouds into faces, or 755 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 3: people see the Virgin Mary on a piece of toast. 756 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:08,440 Speaker 3: It can also make up words out of sounds. It 757 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,960 Speaker 3: can be frustrating because you may think you hear something 758 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 3: and it might just be your brain telling you what 759 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 3: it is. Again, you want to look for the intelligence. 760 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 3: If you say to your son or your daughter or 761 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 3: your loved one, can you say I love you? And 762 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 3: all of a sudden you hear I love you, well, 763 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,759 Speaker 3: that'll tell you that's a real EVP. It takes persistence, 764 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:40,240 Speaker 3: it takes time, it takes passion, but it's absolutely doable. 765 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,319 Speaker 3: I know for many people, just hearing other examples of 766 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,040 Speaker 3: EVPs is enough to let you know that this is 767 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,000 Speaker 3: real and that your loved ones go on. They really do. 768 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,319 Speaker 3: They want you to know they're alive and well as 769 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,720 Speaker 3: much as you want to know they are. I really 770 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 3: hope this episode has made a difference for you. I 771 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,600 Speaker 3: know researching EVPs has made a huge difference for me. 772 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 3: And when I learned EVPs, that's when I chose to 773 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,280 Speaker 3: come out with everything else that I've learned about the afterlife. 774 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,200 Speaker 3: Our website is we Don't Die dot com. On that 775 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 3: front page, if you scroll down and you enter your 776 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,640 Speaker 3: name and your email address, you get a free copy 777 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,440 Speaker 3: of my book. It says you only get the first 778 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,320 Speaker 3: few chapters. It's the whole book. Many people that listen 779 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,600 Speaker 3: to this podcast are deeply grieving. Chapter ten is how 780 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,919 Speaker 3: to Survive Grief. I recommend it wholeheartedly. You can read 781 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 3: that first. Join us on our free Sunday gathering. Take 782 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,480 Speaker 3: a medium class so you know that you are a 783 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,520 Speaker 3: divine soul who has these powers. And in closing, my 784 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,040 Speaker 3: name is Sandra Champlain. Each episode I really try to 785 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,479 Speaker 3: make a difference so that you know that your loved 786 00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,279 Speaker 3: ones are still alive and that your life matters. I 787 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 3: really want to thank you for listening to Shades of 788 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,239 Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 789 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,719 Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. 790 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,440 Speaker 2: And if you liked this episode of Shades of the Afterlife, 791 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 2: wait until you hear the next one. Thank you for 792 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,239 Speaker 2: listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 793 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,440 Speaker 2: Podcast Network.