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Speaker 1: And I said ever ever, it's not even recency bias

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Speaker 1: of ten extrovert or are you more like what's unwinding

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00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 1: for you? Like and do you need that? Are you?

428
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 1: The truth is I'm tad of folks, I'm very much

429
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm very much an extrovert in terms of like, once

430
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm outside, I can't give y'all nothing to have ass

431
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 1: that's just not right, you know what I mean. So

432
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 1: I become an extrovert just by demand, you know, it's

433
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: what the people demand from me. So, and it's been

434
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: since I was a kid, and before I was an entertainer.

435
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: I just felt like we gotta peck this ship up

436
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 1: around here. So my energy would always become extroverted and

437
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 1: I would give in that way. That's like what birthed

438
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 1: me as an entertainer. It's just kind of like, how yes,

439
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 1: but when it's time to get real, I don't want

440
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 1: no one, like genuinely, I'm in the house for real,

441
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 1: and I don't want like I literally just have to

442
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 1: realize that I don't really like a damn resort honestly

443
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: because I don't want to see nobody, you know, I

444
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: don't want to see you, talk to you nothing. Like

445
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 1: I've realized that vacation for me is like the best

446
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 1: vacation is me in a trailer somewhere out isolated. Like

447
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 1: that's like to be around people that much. Isn't that crazy?

448
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 1: How you can be so extroverted but then so introverted

449
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: at the same time. And you know what's funny. I

450
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: didn't even realize it until the pandemic. The pandemic came

451
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: through and I was I was like that kind of person.

452
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 1: That was like, especially when I lived in New York,

453
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: if there's not six things a day on my g COLT,

454
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 1: I feel like a failure. I would go to bed,

455
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: shut my eyes and be like, well, tomorrow, maybe maybe

456
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: I'll do something. Then the pandemic happened, and because we

457
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,959
Speaker 1: were forced to sit around and do nothing, I realized like, oh,

458
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: it's not that I was being unproductive at like five

459
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 1: things six things a day, It's just that like I

460
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: was used to going too hard. And then when I

461
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: sat around a little bit, I was like, wait, am

462
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 1: I an introvert and I don't think that's true. But

463
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: what I realized is it's actually okay to literally turn

464
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 1: all the way off and that's beneficial to life. Literally,

465
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: I think it's really beneficient to life. Really, I think

466
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,959
Speaker 1: it's been a visible but for both. Like if you're

467
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: somebody that's extremely introverted, I think it's been efficient to

468
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 1: get out a little bit. And if it's somebody that's

469
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 1: extremely abstroverted or has a tendency to give a little

470
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: bit more in the company of others, even with you know,

471
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: so just subconsciously you kind of fill the space, you know,

472
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: with that you're trying to you should take a break sometimes,

473
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's okay to be in

474
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: the house and to actively create scenarios for you to

475
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: kind of just like be alone. You know, there's a

476
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: difference between being alone and be and lonely. Just because

477
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: you're alone doesn't mean you're lonely, you know what I mean,

478
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: Just because you're lonely doesn't mean you're alone. I think

479
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: we treated like skincare because literally it's this thing where

480
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: like the daytime routine is you're getting ready to go outside,

481
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: you're protecting yourself from like all the elements of the

482
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: outside world. The nighttime routine is you're recuperating and you're

483
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,239
Speaker 1: recovering internally so that like by the time you wake up,

484
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: you're like fully refreshed. It's like that kind of thing

485
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: where it's like the barrier has to be like maintained.

486
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 1: The barrier has to be like upheld and safe. The

487
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: balance has to be kept. The balance has to be kept.

488
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: Speaking of skincare, okay, Kiki, First of all, congrats, you

489
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: just want a New York Film Critic Circle Award for

490
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: Best Parting Actions for no congratulations, And then it was

491
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: if that's say not you went home and you did

492
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: you posted this video on Instagram or maybe TikTok. I've

493
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: had locked the secret to skincare. What is that, honey,

494
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: it's getting knocked up. You got to have a baby, okay,

495
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: because the way that this baby has had so let

496
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: me tell you something. I've dealt with a lot of

497
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: skin issues, mainly because of hormones. You know. I mean

498
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll be honest, sometimes the hormone stuff is triggered

499
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: by first of all, I think I'm naturally born that way.

500
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: With a little bit more testosterone. If your hormoneson balance,

501
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: like minds can be, you probably produce more. You know

502
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You're just just the way that your

503
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: glands work. It just it just it don't work for

504
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: the skin. And it can affect everybody differently. Some people

505
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: can you know, make them gain weight, It can give

506
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: them acne, you can make them have skin discolorations, you know.

507
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: It Just the list goes on when it comes to

508
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: hormones and food and just all that stuff. So I've

509
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 1: always dealt with that, right and I've always been on

510
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: this journey. I'm trying to figure it out, you know

511
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: what I mean. And people will try to tell me

512
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: drink water, you know what I mean. It's this, It

513
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: is that nothing topical can really save you from your biology,

514
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Changing your diet is honestly

515
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: probably the best thing that you can do. However, when

516
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: you get pregnant, your hormones change. And I'm right now,

517
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: whatever that damn baby is doing to me, whatever that

518
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: baby is giving to me, it has balanced me, y'all.

519
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: It really really has given The baby has given me

520
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: whatever that I didn't have before, that baby has given

521
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: it to me. Honey, the baby is working all. My

522
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: baby is helping me already, y'all. And the way that

523
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: I just can't even believe baby, the baby is retting

524
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: all the baby. The baby is my accutane, like the

525
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: baby is getting it going in. And I'm just shocked, y'all,

526
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: because you know, I've changed my diet and stuff like that,

527
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that my diet is helping to some degree,

528
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: Like I haven't been eating a lot of gluten, I

529
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: haven't been eating dairy. That obviously is helping, right, But

530
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: I've done that before without the baby, and I didn't

531
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: receive these extreme of results. So I mean, I do

532
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: believe that the baby, y'all. I don't know what I'm

533
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm about to be pregnant for the rest

534
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: of my life because if this is what babies can

535
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: do for you, the real gift, the real gift of

536
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: skincare and actress, this pregnancy down down and so I'm thrilled.

537
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: But how are you feeling though? Overall? Has it been good?

538
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: Outside of that? I think that my baby is like

539
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: it's like a warrior or something like this, because I've

540
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: been and I have not had no nausea like I've

541
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: had moments where it's like like where I'll be just

542
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: sitting there. It's kind of funny. It's kind of funny

543
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: how it happens. Like, Guys, I'll be sitting there and

544
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: like in the middle of a conversation with someone, and

545
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I'll just go like it'll

546
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: just make me feel that way, and then it just

547
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: be over with, Like I won't actually throw up, I

548
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: won't actually need to run to the bathroom. It doesn't

549
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: last more than like ten seconds, but it's like a

550
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: wave of something. I'm like, that's wait. My aunt was

551
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: pregnant and sometimes we'd be sitting there. She'd be in

552
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: her babies beat the pool, and I would just see

553
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: like a hand like literally goes through the stomach. Is

554
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: your baby moving around a lot? My baby moves all

555
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: the time. Right now, I met like one weeks, so

556
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: the baby is almost like, you know, it's getting bigger,

557
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: and eventually it's going to get to the point where

558
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: I probably will see fingers and stuff like that, but

559
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that big. Yeah, Like I

560
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: don't know if the power is there yet, but I

561
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: definitely feel and you can see some movement. Yes, yeah,

562
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: what you're telling me this is going to be an

563
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: Aquarius baby or a Pisces baby, just to tell you

564
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: what I need to damn no, because emotional, emotional, I

565
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: need born Mark fifth. I'm Pisces rising, Pisces cancer moon.

566
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: So it's I'm about to break into tears right now.

567
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: You're really in the emotions. It's giving water, signed very

568
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: very deeply. And I would say your child is gonna

569
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: be emotional and there's gonna be swings, but it's gonna

570
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: be worth it because the baby will be creative and

571
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: sensitive and love you, love you to death. Pisces, I

572
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: actually believe our mama's children. Oh my god, I'm just

573
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: so feared about that because I really just tell you,

574
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be dancing with my damn baby.

575
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm excited just be like hey baby, like I'm just

576
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: ready to be just giving all the love and attitude

577
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: and like and so tell me what they said to you.

578
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: You did you gass Like I'm readily just like go

579
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: to tell with this damn baby. Yeah. I just think

580
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: about it every day of just like, what's it gonna

581
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: be like when you know I first lay eyes on

582
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: you and you know, how's it gonna be. We get

583
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: our first moments together, you know what I mean? But also,

584
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: are you gonna bust my damn vagina part that too? Well? Probably? Yeah.

585
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: I just learned that the epidural was like a tube

586
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: that they're sticking your back. That's scarier than the damn

587
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 1: natural birth do guys during childbirth? You might not be

588
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: thinking that way, they say. You might be like, let's

589
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 1: plug me in. He might be asking for ever I

590
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: was reading, people are like, my back ain't never been

591
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: the same. They really do lie about childbirth. That like

592
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: when you're a little kid and they're like, and she's pregnant,

593
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: she goes for nine months to have a healthy baby,

594
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: and it's like you get to be an adult and

595
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: you realize, like really what it is. It's like, okay,

596
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: so this shouldn't happen, but does you know the whole

597
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: thing is like the painful thing about it is like

598
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: your vagina stretching to the size of a fucking baby watermelon, Like,

599
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, scream queens right me, And mostly all

600
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: the scream queens are like have kids or you know,

601
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: pregnant myself. Emma, like all of us, Emma, Oh my God,

602
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: scream Mothers, Oh Joe, Booster, Pisces, Pisces, Elpier, Baby Dane,

603
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: and Jordan too. Really because okay, I just want to

604
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: say more about Nope, because like what I also loved

605
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: was it's actually a really emotional movie. And I actually think,

606
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: like it's really crazy with Jordan because so get out happens,

607
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: and it's one thing, it's like the satire of our time.

608
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: I believe, I believe that there has not been a

609
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: better script written. And then there's Us, which is more

610
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: surreal horror, and then there's Nope, which and I think

611
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: if you were thinking Jordan Peel, you think like, oh,

612
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: horror first nowadays, and then like like he has a

613
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: satirical elements. But these are three very different movies. Like

614
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: Nope really is like this sci fi western that calls

615
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: back to horror movies in many different ways. But what

616
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: I love about sci fi and western is it really

617
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: does have a very like emotional core. And like this

618
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: is about like Bone was saying, it's about like fame

619
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: and spectatorship, but I also find it's like a very

620
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: thoughtful movie about nature and about how some things are

621
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: just bigger than us, and like we do have to

622
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: have reverence and awe, but also like it's a pretty

623
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: simple story about family and like just so many things.

624
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: But one comment I specifically wanted to make, and the

625
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: cinephiles out there probably picked up on this, but my

626
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: favorite scene in the whole movie is when you guys

627
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: are sitting with the cinematographer in the house before the

628
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: big events of the climax and he says that monologue

629
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: about the one one people leader. What I loved about

630
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: that was that was specifically mapped on the quint monologue

631
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: and Jaws. And this is how you know that Jordan

632
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: is really, first and foremost truly a comedian, because no

633
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: filmmaker that was up his own ass would ever be like,

634
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: and I'm going to spend this moment in the movie

635
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: like referencing this iconic scene from a movie that's so

636
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: obvious has inspired this one. But that was really like

637
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: I was laughing and rolling in my house watching that

638
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: because the whole one eye, one horned gilet purple people

639
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: earner monologue taking the place of that iconic monologue that

640
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: quinted in Jaws. To me, that was like such a funny,

641
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: irreverent thing for him to do, and so it succeeded

642
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: for me on that level to like so much funnier

643
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: than I think people are talking about. It shows that

644
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: he really really understands film and film structure in his

645
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: whole entire point to spin it all on its head,

646
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: from Steven Young being an OSCAR nominated actor and then

647
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: us having characters like Key from Everybody Everywhere all at once,

648
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: who started out as a kid actor and never got

649
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: a chance to really be a star like that paid

650
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: away for the reality of someone like Steven Young being

651
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: being who he is and not being the brunt of

652
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: a joke or just existing to be a cliche because

653
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: of his identity, Like that's the movie that that can

654
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: be made, and that should be made. He should be

655
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: the star, he should be on the posters, he should

656
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: be the one we're going to see, or the fact

657
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: that he's amazing. I love both of them, Key and Stephen,

658
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: but just like what that is. And then the fact

659
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: of the whole commentary on my character, who you assume

660
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: is just going to be the jester who's just the

661
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: comedic edge, but then turns around and somehow finds our

662
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: way to be becoming the hero as a black queer woman.

663
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: It's like, this is the structure, this is the thing,

664
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: but this is the now without being like on the nose,

665
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's like, how did you

666
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: do it? Yeah? I love that there were so many

667
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: there were so many layers, and I think it's just

668
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: so smart and I think, honestly, the stuff with the

669
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: chimp on the set of the sitcom was some of

670
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: the most inventive, genuinely scary stuff I had ever seen.

671
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: And the detail of the shoe as like a pull

672
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: from a traumatic memory that shows how his memory of

673
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: it is really distorted, was just really really well done.

674
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like breaking new his notpe was great, but

675
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: like it took me a while because I really do

676
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: get scared and very anxious. I'm an anxious person and

677
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: hard for me to sit in the movie theater and

678
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: like really do that without focusing the entire time, not

679
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: on the movie but on how I'm physically feeling, because

680
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: my shoulders are up to my ears. But I'm really

681
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: happy I got out of my own way and watched

682
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: this because any movie lover would love this movie. Yes,

683
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: I feel the exact same way, and that's the thing,

684
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: Like any movie lover like, if you love movies, you're

685
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: gonna love everything Jordan does. I'm excited for what's next.

686
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: So does that script get sent to you or do

687
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: you have to audition for it? That script? As crazy

688
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: as it is, Jordan called me on the phone, sent

689
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: me the script and it was mine, you know. And

690
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: it's so funny that that is such a rare thing, guys,

691
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: It really is. It's a rare thing for you to

692
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: just get a script. And it's like, you know, especially

693
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: for it to be someone on Jordan's feels level. So

694
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: like for him to be that certain that he wanted

695
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: me for the role um is in incredible, you know.

696
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: But again it's for me it all so meta too,

697
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: because it's just like, you know, here this movie is

698
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: where we have this whole dialogue about a child star

699
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: and and exploitation, um, you know, and here I am

700
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: as a child entertainer, and I feel very much like,

701
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, wrangling the industry and becoming who I've become

702
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: and being, as you guys were saying, somebody that has

703
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: not stuck to the norm or what people told me

704
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: to be. I very much, from my in my own way,

705
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: felt like I was wrangling a beast that at the

706
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: end of it, I stood tall on the other side,

707
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: and then none of it really mattered in the end,

708
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: like to prove myself or to be validated or for

709
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: people to recognize me, you know, once you make it

710
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: to that that point and you realizing you see things

711
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: for what they really are, like Emerald does when she's

712
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: at the top of that mountain and she really sees

713
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: the thing for what it really is. The only thing

714
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 1: that matters this family, you know, The only thing that

715
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: matters are the things that are that are priceless and

716
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: most usually the things you already always had, you know.

717
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: So again, it's so the movie hits us all. It's

718
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: so many different unique ways, and it's like, how can

719
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: one movie have so many meanings? Yeah, you mentioned being

720
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: like you know, a child actor, and I wonder, like nowadays,

721
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: like we hear so many different accounts of people who

722
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: went through that experience, like you know, Janette mccourty's book,

723
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: and like the way that we've like had to re

724
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: examine like the Britney Spears of it all and so

725
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: many things. I wonder, what's your personal narrative of being

726
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: a child star and how you came through that because

727
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: we don't hear you talk about that too much. Yeah,

728
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: I definitely had my moments of being like angry and

729
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: being just overworked and tired. I think all of us

730
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: did you know when you're a kid working in corporate,

731
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: because let's be honest, as we all know, it's entertainment, honey,

732
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: but it's still corporate, you know. We we just like

733
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: everybody else, there's an element of the man say it so,

734
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, to mean we all feel that. And so

735
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: it was the same for me as a kid working

736
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: with Nickelodeon and Disney and having to do hours and

737
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: hours of of shooting and hours and hours of marketing.

738
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: And then I didn't go to real school and my

739
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: parents were really strict and over protective, and I was

740
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: making a lot of money and my parents were scared

741
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: of that because they didn't want me to become an asshole.

742
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: So then they were really even more strict, and I

743
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: felt like they didn't understand me. And then we had beef,

744
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: and you know, all of that stuff does happen because

745
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: fame it's traumatic, and a child being a star, you know,

746
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: having their own show, it's traumatic. It changes the entire

747
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: family structure and everything kind of ends up going towards

748
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: that child, helping to support that child, that business, that thing,

749
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: and it's just like not a usual thing that you

750
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: deal with. And so I'm very blessed and grateful that

751
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: my family overcame it because what we often hear and

752
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: what people often think about when they think about child actresses,

753
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: you know so and sold, they ain't hunting momain cool

754
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: no more, or you know so and so they got

755
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: on drill ugs or you know, money, tore up the family,

756
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: and all those things could have happened to my family.

757
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: We definitely experienced intensity. People trying to turn me against

758
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: my parents, people trying to steal me from my parents

759
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: and break our trunts and infiltrate our family dynamic. All

760
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: that ship is horrible, but people do it. We see

761
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: it all the time, you know what I mean, We

762
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: see it in succession. It ain't different just because you're

763
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: a kid. People are are vicious out here. But my family,

764
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: now we really overcame it, and so I think and

765
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: now because we overcame it, and my adult mind, the

766
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: way that I speak about all of that is very

767
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: much so like, oh, you know, yeah, we just moved on,

768
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: and you know what, I mean, we found a way

769
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: and we got through. But if I were, you know,

770
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: I wrote a book about it, and whenever I get

771
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: really into it, I can really break it down. But

772
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is I look at it

773
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: like any of us do, any of our family trials

774
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: and tribulations. It's extreme to a person that didn't experience

775
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: child acting, but it's no different than you saying I

776
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: decided to forgive my parents, or you know, we got

777
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: over it. You know, we moved on. That's what it's

778
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: like for me. Crazy things happened. It was intense, but

779
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: my parents, who told my parents how to raise the child,

780
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: entertaining with our own damn show making millions, So they

781
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: were doing the best they could. And so you know,

782
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: that's how I look at it, and I just move

783
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: on and I love my parents were very close still,

784
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: and my mom and I would still do business together,

785
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: and my siblings and I were closer than ever, especially

786
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: now that I have more time. You know, that was

787
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: probably the saddest thing for me as a kid, was

788
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: never having enough time for anybody. Um, you know, I

789
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: was working just so much. I couldn't make it to

790
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: any plays. Sometimes I would miss holidays and that stuff

791
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: used to kill me as a kid, and so I

792
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: definitely wanted to make that up to them as I

793
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: got older, and um, you know, I definitely don't want

794
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: that to be the reality for for my baby. So

795
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: I've learned how to how to maneuver when it comes

796
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: to my career to sense. That's kind of interesting. Like ultimately,

797
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: you saw them on Star just like your character and

798
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: No open realize what was important and you know made

799
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: it through exactly. That's why when I watched No recognized

800
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: what the how I interpreted that For me, it really

801
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: was kind of like mind blowing. I like cry the

802
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: craziest tears. That's incredible. We should ask the question it's

803
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: time in a perfect segue from childhood into the question. Absolutely, okay,

804
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: this is the question we ask all of our guests

805
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: on Lost Cultures. So, Keikie Palmer, what is the culture

806
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: that made you say? Culture is for me? This is

807
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: the pop culture that made you move into that direction

808
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: in your life. So give me y'all's answers so I

809
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: can understand exactly the context of this question. But what

810
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: would you say for you? Like between the two of us,

811
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: me and Matt, like I think our answers change individually

812
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: from time to time. I think a common one but

813
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: that Matt and I share is the Academy Awards. When

814
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: Titanic was nominated for all those awards, that was like

815
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: what got me like keyed into like show business and

816
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is what people can do,

817
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: and like there's Celine Dion saying my heart will go on,

818
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: and like there's just all of it sort of like

819
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: opened up to me in this way it can be

820
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: that it can even be before that, Like for me,

821
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: Mariah Carrey, the album by Mariah Carrey changed who I was. Also, like,

822
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: when I watched television show Lost, I realized I wanted

823
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: to be a part of television. Like it's like those

824
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: things that you can look back on and you were like,

825
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: but you started so young. That must have either happened

826
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,959
Speaker 1: either really young or maybe even a little delayed because

827
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: you were in the biz. Yeah. I think it was

828
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: a couple of things. Yeah, So I think one of

829
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: them was Selena. Yes, Yes, when I watched Selena the

830
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: way did they hit me? And why did you can

831
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: pack someone the way? Did she was impact her community?

832
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: Had a community back? Yes, I really, honey, who's on

833
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: your shirt right now? Is that Tony Who? I first

834
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: I thought that that was the mid nineties Tony Braxton

835
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: first of the hand a little that's hilarious, and I

836
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: was about to really go in Selena of that movie.

837
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: That movie really talked about somebody changing, something change in

838
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 1: your life. That movie, I would say The Wood, which

839
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: is this film by Rick Famula. It is about three guys.

840
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: It's Omar Epps Hey Digs another actor who I hate

841
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: that I can't remember his name. But it's about these

842
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: three guys. You know, one of them is from the South,

843
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: the other two are from l A. The dude from

844
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: the South moves to l A specifically in Inglewood, and

845
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: it's about how they grew up in l A. And

846
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: it's like not like a sad movie or like you know,

847
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: a whole somebody got shot, you know, I mean things

848
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: went hey why It was kind of just like a

849
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: regular black American coming to the age. Story and in

850
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: the culture was so present, but it wasn't rooted in oppression.

851
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: And I remember watching that as a kid and just

852
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: being like, man, just such a great movie about just

853
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: young brothers growing up in America and like having a

854
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: good life and like getting ready to go to their wedding.

855
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: Like the whole movie was told in flashbacks as they're

856
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: trying to get their best friend prepared for his wedding

857
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: because he's like up the next morning drunk and they're

858
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: trying to get him to his wedding, and the whole

859
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: day they're like talking about remember this when we was

860
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: in high school, and then we keep going back to flashbacks,

861
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: and so I remember watching that movie as a kid,

862
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: and I think that definitely, I've always felt very masculine

863
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: as well as I felt feminine. That's why I like,

864
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: if somebody want to or to ask me or to

865
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: talk to me about gender, that would probably say the

866
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: way that I think is very gender non conforming. I

867
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: just don't subscribe to the label of it because obviously

868
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: I hate labels. Anybody that knows me knows labels get

869
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: on my damn nerd because it's like ship it makes

870
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: me feel like y'all want to force me to just

871
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: be what you want me to be. So I'm a

872
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: little bit like sitting in that regard, and I do

873
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: feel like I want to force people to see a

874
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: woman as being all these different things. You know what,

875
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I want to force your as to understand that, yeah,

876
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: I can't be this and I can't be there, and

877
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: I can still be a woman. You gotta deal with

878
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so but but the

879
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: way that I think about it is very much so

880
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: like gender non conforming. So when I watched that movie,

881
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: even though those were me and I saw myself, you know,

882
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: and I wanted to I admired, you know what I'm saying.

883
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: I grew up with My dad's one of nine boys.

884
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: My dad is an amazing dad. And so I've always

885
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: just loved seeing those images because just as much as

886
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to emulate Brandy or Whitney, I also wanted

887
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: to emulate those images as well. Definitely um and so

888
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: I really really impacted me as a kid seeing that movie.

889
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: It was so inspiring. So the wood Selena. And then

890
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: if I were to give like a third, I would

891
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: just want to give you one last third because this

892
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: is a heavy, heavy question. It would probably be Kekey

893
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: Palmer when she said sorry to this man entire generation.

894
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like it's like it was a cultural reset.

895
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: It's like all other memes before that walked so Kecky Palmer. Sorry,

896
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: I mean literally in my group chat whenever the day

897
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: is I'm gonna group chat with, say someone I don't know,

898
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: I sent a picture of your face looking down at

899
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: the paper, and they know exactly that I don't know

900
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: who the funk they're talking about three and a half years.

901
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: By the way, guys, when that thing happened, it was

902
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: as if I had a hit movie theaters. I'm like

903
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: that response, the response to start to this man is

904
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: absolutely like I cannot wait to see what the world

905
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: is like in twenty years so I can tell my kids,

906
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: like there was this thing called means, you know what

907
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean, because our world is so unique and interesting,

908
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: and that's like such a unique and very serendipitous, insane

909
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: thing that happened. Like for that mean to be like that,

910
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: you probably left filming that that day and we're like

911
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: not even thinking about it. No, I was just like, okay,

912
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: you know, moved on, you know what I mean, because

913
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: it will be a thing where it's so organic. It's

914
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: like you know now that everything's gonna be like AI

915
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: in the next like literally or freaking Avatar or freaking

916
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: Avatar Avatar. I had my ass crying though, I mean,

917
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: come on, it got us, It really got us, all

918
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: three of us. I think a man has to be stopped.

919
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: James has to be stopped. He makes you quite too

920
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: much all his movies. I mean, how is it that

921
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: he's done. I think maybe just ten movies, or even

922
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: under ten movies, three in which are in the top

923
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: two in which are in the top three grossing movies ever,

924
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: one being Titanic, the other being Avatar. And it's one

925
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: thing for somebody to give you visual effects. I think

926
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people can give us visual effects right like,

927
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: not that I'm not impressed by it. I think it's

928
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: an incredible skill in art. But most of the time,

929
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: when someone gives you crazy action and visual effects, they

930
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: fall apart on the storyline. The storyline has no um, integrity,

931
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: no originality, it has no emotion to it. This man does.

932
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: And I'm quite altered by it because and almost it

933
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: makes me not want to go see his movies sometimes,

934
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: because I've seen Titanic and everybody knows how I feel

935
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: about that damn movie and what happened when my girl

936
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: did not say Jack's life. That tears me up to

937
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: this day. Now I had to watch Aft too, and

938
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: when I went home, I was silent the rest of

939
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: the evening because of what I had to go through

940
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: watching that movie. That man has to be stopped because

941
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: he takes you upon this action adventure and emotionally connects

942
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: you to these people that aren't real, and then you

943
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: have to watch the families get tore apart. I'm tired

944
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: of him stopped. He's got to be stopped, y'all. He's

945
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: too too much. He's got a lot going on. Well,

946
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: we were saying Bowen and I were saying the other

947
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: day that because he makes movies with the intention of

948
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: entertaining the entire world, like he it's almost like the

949
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: world he has a different assignment than everyone else. Like

950
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: he's like, my movies are going to be seen worldwide,

951
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: and so it's going to be broad and emotional enough

952
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: that everyone has a way in I think that's what

953
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: we're responding to. It's like there is something specific in

954
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: human pain, in family, in sacrifice for family, Like he

955
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: has a very good grip on what is going to

956
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: hit us in the heart because he's thinking in a

957
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: very universal way, because his movies are very universal. It's

958
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: so true. You know, you have people online, they're like,

959
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: these are African people, and they have like these are

960
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: Indian people, and like these are like everybody's like these

961
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: are my people, and I'm like, that's James Cameron's point.

962
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,959
Speaker 1: They're all of our people. They're all of anybody that's

963
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: connected to an indigenous When you watch that movie, your

964
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: feelings are hurt because you're like you go from the

965
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: surface of what's happening in the movie to these movie

966
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: people and then you're like, this probably happened to my ancestors,

967
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: or this probably happened to people in real life. Oh ship,

968
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: he wants you to think about that. He got me

969
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: crying about a whale mama. We talked about that whale

970
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: mama because you know why of wale mama was murdered

971
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: probably just last week for the same type of reasons

972
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: in this made up creature in Avatar, like he is

973
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: thinking about that and tapping into every type of vibe

974
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: that he has to be stopped, y'all. Well, this is

975
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: the thing for him to recoup on the on the

976
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: budget of the film. He has to appeal to the

977
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: broadest audience possible, right, and so these movies end up

978
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: being about family, which everyone can relate to. And then

979
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: the sort of unifying the glue of it all is this,

980
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: like I think it's a very self aware kind of

981
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: like corn baldness. It's corny because it's corny. Yes, yes,

982
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: there's nothing more earnest about loving family. And I also

983
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: think people need to stop thinking that corny and cheesy

984
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: is not good. I'm one of those people that absolutely

985
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: I think the indie movie is great. I think, you know,

986
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: going super niche super art house is absolutely radical. But

987
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: when you can give the emotion and the originality of

988
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: a movie like that with the commercial appeal that people

989
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: like James Cameron bring to me, You'll take a ship

990
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: to the next fucking level. Because I think that is

991
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: hard to freaking Titanic who told him to put a

992
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: love story in in the middle of a historical event

993
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: that was yeah, I mean like and also the fact

994
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: that you left that movie caring so deeply about them.

995
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: It's like they're not real, They're not real. You know

996
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: who's real, the almost people who died. But meanwhile, like,

997
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 1: we have this fictional couple that like really in that way.

998
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: Because he made us care about these two, we then

999
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: care about everyone that had a very full life that

1000
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: we're lost on that ship. I also think that that's

1001
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 1: this man's point. When I did a little bit of research,

1002
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: a little bit digging about James Cameron, he is a

1003
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 1: very like The reason why a lot of his movies

1004
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: also even include water is because he's very obsessed with water,

1005
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: in nature, in saving the world, and he's really into

1006
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: the global just welfare of our human life and stuff

1007
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: like that. So I think that is a big dedication

1008
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: to his work is to make us think about that,

1009
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: to make us think about lives loss, to make us

1010
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: think about you know, people were murdered and killed, and

1011
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 1: you know people are dying and the ocean is being

1012
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: He wants you to be sad and think about that stuff.

1013
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It seems like it because

1014
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: he keeps putting it in the movies. Uh. Matt and

1015
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: I were talking about this on the podcast. We're like,

1016
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, like, these are kind of like my roadblocks

1017
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: with Avatar. But I think you've really like bulldozed past

1018
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: them because there are roadblocks. Let's be honest. A lot

1019
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: of people are sick of him, you know, a lot

1020
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: of people are like through it, you know what I mean.

1021
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you long. Kicky Palmer will always be

1022
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: like a cup half full person. I always am like

1023
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, but also was it this? You know? It's

1024
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: a little bit burning your bridge because if James Cameron

1025
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: calls with the wrong avatar forms Song of the Skies,

1026
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: we want Mama to fly the ship, okay, because I

1027
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: could be the next to Gerney. Just call me, give

1028
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: me the next to Guerney. Just her at sixty, I

1029
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: think is a whole movement, like do you know what

1030
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: I think people are forgetting that. The reason why Kirie

1031
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: is who she is is because she cut her own

1032
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: bangs and it went a certain way. So Kirie s

1033
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: going to be here as a team. Cut her own

1034
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 1: bangs clearly, and her bangs are a flop, and she's

1035
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: self conscious in the movie about her banks looking crazy,

1036
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: and that's why she feels a certain way. And that's

1037
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: a subtext that only I'm recognizing in the movie, but

1038
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: that avatar clearly from her own bangs. She was trying

1039
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: something out in her adolescence. The bangs went left, and

1040
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: she feels on the outside of her family because and

1041
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: that is a cautionary tale about why you don't take

1042
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: assisted to your banks. Girls. I understand we all think

1043
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: that they might bring our face together, but you gotta

1044
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: go to a professional. She needed to go to wherever

1045
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: in the Navi culture they cut bangs professionally. There are

1046
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: women out there that are that have clearly have you know,

1047
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: cosmetology degrees, that could do a nabby world in Pandora.

1048
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: But she did not find them. She went into her

1049
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: own layer and she cut her own bangs and it

1050
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: didn't go well, and that's why she was cranky. I'll

1051
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: moving along. I can't believe when his mom has had

1052
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: that damn caesia from the damned spiritual, I say, get

1053
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: that shit out of here. Day she really was having

1054
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: she plugged in and things did not go good. Can

1055
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: you imagine like being on set that day and watching

1056
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: Sigourney like in the motion capture outfit, like having a

1057
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: caesure as a tea in like the water in the water.

1058
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,439
Speaker 1: Damn a hell of a movie to shoot, honey. I mean,

1059
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: what's the hardest she you've ever done? Hardest she you've

1060
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: ever done? It had to be Nope, a lot of running,

1061
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: just a lot of energy, exert a lot of intensity

1062
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: to like the whole town. Yeah, did you do stripping

1063
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: class for Hustlers? Did she did? Okay? And then you

1064
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: got to tell j Lo in person about Selena about

1065
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: like the impact the movie had. You had to amazing.

1066
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: I did I let her know. I mean, I know

1067
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: she's heard at the time and time and time and

1068
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: time again. But guys, it's just true that movie. It's

1069
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: honestly it is. You know, it impacted me so deep

1070
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: as a child. I was hugging the damn tv mm hmm.

1071
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: That lady impacted her community. Oh my gosh, I love Selena,

1072
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: Selena Cantonia's that should have been her first OSCAR nomination

1073
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: and Hustler should have been the second. And we all

1074
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: know it. Honestly, it felt like that for me. I

1075
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: felt like, if we went back at the time and

1076
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: she want to ask you for Selena, I will be happy,

1077
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: just like I would be happy if if want to

1078
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: turn those are two biopicks. Thats just like, come on, y'all,

1079
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: that's quit around and who else could have done it?

1080
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: You know? Nobody? You know, nobody, truly, nobody, truly nobody. Oh,

1081
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: before we move on, the perfect companion piece to starry

1082
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: to this man, is you on? Kiki? Michael and Sarah going,

1083
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: I know that man. I love that man. Do you

1084
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: know what? Because that man I didn't know, and I

1085
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: just couldn't who was that man? Who was that man?

1086
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: Currently sorry to this man. That was the point in

1087
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: your career that I was like, this is interesting now

1088
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: you being a daytime TV host, even you were surprised.

1089
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that was then another character, honey, And I

1090
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: was living forward. I was living my daytime TV job.

1091
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: I was living for waking up and going to the

1092
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: job and being done at noon, the conversations, you know

1093
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, having fun like it was such as

1094
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: something that I didn't see coming. I was just kind

1095
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: of like, well why not, why the hell not? You

1096
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I have the time, I'm available,

1097
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: Like I love Michael, I like Sarah, like this is cool,

1098
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: Like let's ride this out and see what goals down. Love.

1099
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: The only reason why we stopped again, I guess the

1100
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: universe guy, you and I always trust God in the universal.

1101
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: I was just like, leave it up, you know what

1102
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: I mean. And COVID happened and they kind of wanted

1103
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: me to continue on, but they changed the show to

1104
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: being more Newsy and I'm not more Newsy. You know,

1105
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't go to had a journalist in

1106
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: that way, you know what I mean, more of a

1107
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: personality and you know, conversationalist if anything, you're not a

1108
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: journalist like Michael Straham I'm on the floor shade. So

1109
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I don't think news E

1110
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: is for me, um, but they still continue to support

1111
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: me throughout COVID, and I thought that was like amazing

1112
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: and awesome. You know. After COVID, we all were just

1113
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: kind of figuring out what we're gonna do. And I

1114
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: was like, it's COVID and it's tough out here, but

1115
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: I can't do the news y'all. Yeah, I'm obsessed with

1116
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: your catchphrase of I'm on the floor. I'm on the floor, yeah,

1117
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: because it's like, girl, what does that even mean? For real? Why?

1118
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: Why is that I'm on the floor? That's the peak,

1119
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: like I'm that I'm on the floor. Wait before we

1120
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: move on to I Don't Think Sunny for real, I

1121
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: have to ask you, do you know my friend Jennifer Lewis.

1122
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm on a show on Showtime called I Love That

1123
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: for You with Jennifer Lewis, and I do want to

1124
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: know your friend Jennifer Lewis to see what do you think?

1125
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: I feel the connection between you guys, and all I

1126
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: want is for you guys to do a project together.

1127
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: I want it to do a project together. Tell me

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00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: why I was with Jennifer Lewis on the plane. She

1129
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: comes up to me. I'm sitting there with my boyfriend,

1130
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: and she says, what the fund are you doing here

1131
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: with my man? Bitch? She said, look, you're not pulled

1132
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: the show up. You're not puposed to be trying to

1133
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: outshine me. Just fine up here with who do you

1134
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: think you are? Girl? Who do you think you are?

1135
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: A little girl? She was. It was the best thing.

1136
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: I wish I could have filmed it for y'all The

1137
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: whole damn time. I was like, this is too much

1138
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: to pull my phone out, But I wanted to pull

1139
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: my phone out so y'all could just hear the life

1140
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: that she was giving me. Did she know who she

1141
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: was talking to? Yes, that's the girl I know her from.

1142
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: We did Media's Family Reunion together. My god, when I

1143
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: was like twelve years Oh, wouldn't have any scenes together.

1144
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: But I've always loved Jennifer. I mean, Jennifer Lewis is

1145
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: somebody that she just always loves. You know. It's like,

1146
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, she's just everything. I always loved her, and

1147
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: every time I've seen her always say hi whatever. So

1148
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: when she saw me on the plane, she was it

1149
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: was just like we hadn't seen each other in a while,

1150
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: and she was like a little bit fine ass man.

1151
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: I want to get your ass together. You should do

1152
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: the Jennifer Lewis story. You should do her a biopic.

1153
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: Me and her have to do something together, because she

1154
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: has just one. We just would be just back and

1155
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: forth and back and forth. It would just give too

1156
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: much life. No work would get done. But we should

1157
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: get the set together. It should all be captured. It

1158
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: should all be captured. I just had to ask, because

1159
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean, she's a light in my life. I'm gonna

1160
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: FaceTime or later, actually I will. Okay, so now, but

1161
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: when is it time? It's time? It's time for I

1162
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. This is our one minute segment

1163
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: at the end of our show where we each go

1164
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: on a tire rate about culture. Matt, you have something,

1165
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: I have something. I do have something, and you mentioned

1166
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: planes in mine is actually plane related. I've done a

1167
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: lot of flying recently, and everyone on any plane who's

1168
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: sitting in the window seat is about to hear it. Okay,

1169
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: here we go, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think

1170
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: so many this time starts now. I don't think so

1171
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: honey people in the windows seat who don't have their

1172
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: window up when you're landing on the plane. Sometimes I'll

1173
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: be on the aisle. I prefer the island. I don't

1174
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: think so hony of these people sitting at the window

1175
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: seat who keep their window down when we're touching down.

1176
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to jump out of my skin. Like

1177
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: I said, I can't do scary, and what is scarier

1178
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: than the shock of landing suddenly nothing. I want to

1179
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: be able to see outside the plane so I can

1180
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: see exactly when the wheel touchdown, so whether I'm jolted

1181
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: up out of my sea flying through the skies. I

1182
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: don't think so hony of these people who are out

1183
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: of sight, out of mind. Lease a fair about sitting

1184
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: on the window seat and they have it all the

1185
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: way shut and I can't see a goddamn thing. I

1186
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: need to know when I'm in the land or else

1187
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: I will be screaming, and then I'll tell you what's

1188
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: even more annoying than a baby screaming on ault, me

1189
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: screaming on adult day flight from shocked pain, anger, discussed

1190
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: hurt betrayal because you did not turn your windows seconds.

1191
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: I love you dealt up, but mandate windows up for

1192
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: windows seats. I don't think so, honey. I'm totally fine

1193
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: with it if you want it shut for the duration

1194
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: of the plane, But when they say it's time to

1195
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: get the seat backs up in the trade tables set,

1196
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: you need to have the windows up to be courteous

1197
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: to people who just want to know what that shaking

1198
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: noises when they land and when it's coming. Surely you

1199
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: can see there's a window in a different row that

1200
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: you can get some context from, of course, bo. But

1201
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: we have to work to gather as a plan community,

1202
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: because if you if one person doesn't do it, the

1203
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: next person doesn't do it. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I

1204
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: just think there's still not an agreement about like people

1205
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: lowering the shade when you're midair when it's glaring blinding.

1206
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: I completely understand, all right, but are you with me

1207
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: on this? Like do don't you? Don't you agree? I agree?

1208
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: I'm rarely in the window seat I agree. There you go.

1209
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: We're all in agreement. We are all concurrent on this one.

1210
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm not the one who's usually at the window anyway,

1211
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: so I have no control over us. Oh, and sometimes

1212
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: I want to be like, hey, can you put the

1213
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: window up because I just want to see when we land.

1214
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: But also I don't want to talk to anybody on

1215
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: the plane. Yeah, you never know what you might get. Alright, Well,

1216
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: food for thought. This is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey,

1217
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: at his time will begin now. I don't think so, honey.

1218
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: Baristas and TV shows, especially mystery shows such as Wednesday,

1219
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: where their trope is they go that girl her order,

1220
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, tall Frappico, blah blah blah. It's like some

1221
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: bullshit like that where the barista knows everybody's order in

1222
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: the town. It's a tired ass trope. I'm done seeing it.

1223
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: In the movies and TV shows and plays of our time.

1224
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: The barista usually ends up being the killer or the

1225
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: conspirator of a killing or something. It's tired. It's done.

1226
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to see any Burris stays as main

1227
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: characters and TV shows anymore. Make them something else, make

1228
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: them a sandwich artist. Make them a smoothie smoothie maker.

1229
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to see barista anymore because guess what,

1230
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: it's too neat of a thing to be like, Oh,

1231
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: that's that's the person who knows everybody's deal in town. No,

1232
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: we need to be more creative about the town tropes,

1233
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: the citizen who knows everybody's business. We're gonna figure out

1234
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: something new because this motherfuckering Wednesday, I was like, this

1235
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: guy is a flop and his only redeeming qualities that

1236
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: he's the barista. You take that away from him as nothing,

1237
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: And that's one minute and change. And yes, it's not

1238
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: just baristas that know the town's business. Okay, what about

1239
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: the postman? Bring the postman back, Bring the postman back,

1240
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: bring the milkman and back. I want the milkman back,

1241
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: Bring the milkman back. I don't think so, honey. You

1242
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: want to rip up? Okay, here we go. Okay, this

1243
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: is cheek Palmers. I don't think so, honey. Your time

1244
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: starts now. Does every mundane action in our lives need

1245
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: to be a TikTok aesthetic? I don't think so, funny,

1246
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm tired on my Twitter Instagram more TikTok and seeing

1247
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: people pretending to content create by putting on great cloads,

1248
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: shutting gray blinds, pulling out their great calculator and doing

1249
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: their taxes, calling it a dope life. I don't think

1250
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: so hard. I cannot stand that we are so incapable

1251
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: of randomness that we have whittled ourselves down to now

1252
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: lifestyle categories soft girl life, Um, you know a happy

1253
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: girl life, girl life, cool guy life, funck boy life.

1254
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: I just want us to have a life and to

1255
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: get offline and trying to make everything seems so cool

1256
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: and unique. I don't want to see you having a

1257
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: day of normalcy and then calling it some type of

1258
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: specific category and life down. I don't think so honey.

1259
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm sick of it. Just actually do something and don't

1260
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: let us be involved when I don't want to see

1261
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: anybody else cooking their man any meals and calling themselves

1262
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: life life, life. I'm tired of the life lives and

1263
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: that's one minute has absolutely destroyed most influences today who

1264
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: put on an orange shirt and say hashtag orange shirt

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Speaker 1: and they get dollars for it. I'm tired. It is

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01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: like we saw this man the other day made himself breakfast,

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01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: sat down on his computer, played with his dog, and said,

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Speaker 1: soft black boy life. I'm like, what is so? What

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01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: is a hard black boys life? Come on, like, come,

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Speaker 1: this is a normal life, y'all always got to and

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01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: actual it ends up making everything ends up making, Like

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Speaker 1: if that's not an everyday person's life, then what do

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01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: you think everyday black people are living? Like? You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Like if if you don't think it's

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Speaker 1: just like what is it that we're doing? Y'all? We

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Speaker 1: make it everything so extreme? Soft girl life? All you

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Speaker 1: did was make breakfast and sit on your couch. So

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Speaker 1: what's what's the hard girl's life going to work? Like?

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Speaker 1: What is the opposite of everything that y'all saying? So interesting?

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Speaker 1: If that's a soft girl life, a hard girl life

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01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: is like going to park at the bank and parking

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01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: like outside the lines and have two spaces. Hard girl

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01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: Life's like that's honestly to me, it's like absolutely ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I gotta spoof coming for this. Oh there we go?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Kiki Palmer and should I say baby

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Speaker 1: Kiki Palmer? Because that is the podcast that you all

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01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: must be listening to required reading. This has been so

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Speaker 1: much fun. No, guys, this has been the most fun.

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Speaker 1: I really love hanging out with y'all. Hang out with me.

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Speaker 1: Called me back anytime. You know is your girl? Oh

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01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: my god, you must return. We love you so much.

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01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: And you told no lies when you said she was

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01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: the greatest of the gates of the Gate. We closed

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Speaker 1: every episode with the song I Got One Mount. Okay,

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01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: come well, maybe blame me like a Vendo if I

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Speaker 1: wind the back and my own Oh yeah, listen to

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Speaker 1: Hands Free to Break my kickie Palmer here, come on,

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Speaker 1: by bye.