1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You're listening to Ruthie's Table for in Collaboration with Me 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: and m Intelligence Style for busy Women. Gail King is 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: known as America's best Friend. I didn't know countries could 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: have best friends, but if I was a country, I 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: definitely want her as mine. Anchor, producer, magazine editor, and 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: amazingly an astronaut. Gail is a friend to millions of 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Americans who waked to her on CBS Mornings, Loved for 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: combining serious journalism with warmth, intimacy, and fun. Gail is 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: only in London for two nights, so there's no time 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: for our usual Ruthie's. 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: Table for at the River Cafe. We're recording our conversation 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: here right before we eat at home, which seems exactly 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: right for where else would you want to have America's 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: best friend? And I hope very soon in mine? But 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: at home. 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 3: That was such a beautiful introduction. Thank you so much. 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 3: And I came and I brought my appetite. 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: Tell them what you're eating? 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: What do you know I have for katcha bread, yeah, 20 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 3: with sorell with some tomatoes. 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah you have? So we always the drill, you know, 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: we always ask people to read a recipe. What have 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: you chosen? 24 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 3: I wanted to pick a recipe where it looked like 25 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 3: you could look it off the page. 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: Okay, that's not rude, is it? No? 27 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: Just also please know this, I don't cook. I chose 28 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: spaghetti with lemon serve six two hundred and fifty g's 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 3: of spaghetti. 30 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 2: That's a gram gram. You've got the English like you 31 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: got the European version. But ge it means a gram. 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 3: Okay, graham juice of three to four lemons, preferably a 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: Malfi lemons as opposed to those regular lemons. 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: You know, a Malfia on the southern coast of Italy. 35 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: One hundred and fifty mls of olive oil milli liters's 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: got it, one hundred and fifty milli liters of all 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty g's which I've just learned as grams. 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: A parmesan has to be freshly grated. Of course, two 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: handfuls are fresh basil leaves picked and finally chopped. We 40 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,279 Speaker 3: have to pick our basil leaves. 41 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: Well, you have to pick them off the stem. 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: Oh, okay, okay, I told you I don't cook. Okay, finally, 43 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: but I'm a very good eater, Ruthie, that's more important. 44 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 3: Finely grated lemon zest. That's optional, but I highly highly recommend. 45 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: The only other ingredient needed is sun Oh my favorite 46 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: color is yellow, and my yellow because it's the color 47 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: of sunshine and butter, both of which I enjoy very much. 48 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: Cook the spaghetti and a generous amount of boiling salted water. 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: Then drain thoroughly and return to the saucepan. Ruthie, you're 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: cracking me up because you're looking at me like this 51 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 3: is the first time you've heard you're. 52 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: Very good at you're very good at writing recipes. This 53 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 2: is really very pressed by a receivation. 54 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, with the lemon juice, I actually know what that is. 55 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: With the olive oil, then stir in the parmesan, it 56 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 3: will melt into the mixture, making it thick and creamy. Oh, 57 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: that's good season. With sea salt, not regular salt. Sea salt. 58 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 3: Why sea salt not. 59 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: Regular sea salt has a saltier taste. It has a 60 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: grain and you can crumble it, so you do it yourself. 61 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 3: And black pepper and add more lemon juice to taste. 62 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: Add the sauce to the spaghetti and shake the pants 63 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: so that each strand of pasta is coated with cheese. 64 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: Do you know who Marcella has Ona, She was a 65 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: great Diana Italian cooking and cheer. Whole thing was toss, toss, toss, 66 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: and then toss again, toss again. That the whole thing 67 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: with pasta is making every because otherwise the stranda pasta 68 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: without the sauce, it's just flowering water and it's naked 69 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: and it's naked. 70 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: So each strand is coated with cheese like that, finally 71 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: stirring the chopped basil and ideally some grated lemon zest 72 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 3: I'd never had the lemon with spaghetti before. 73 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: Okay, well I'll have it. We'll go to Molfy one day. 74 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: We can make come in the summer to the river 75 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: cafe and we'll do very very But you you were 76 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: born in Ankra, Is that right? 77 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: Well? I was born in China Neo Good, Tennessee. I 78 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: was only there for eighteen months, but my childhood was 79 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: in Opera, Turkey. So from first grade to sixth grade 80 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: that's where I lived. My dad worked for the government 81 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: and we were sent over there. I've been told ruthy 82 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 3: and I have no I do not know if this 83 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 3: is true that people say to me, Gail, your dad 84 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 3: probably worked for the CIO and think about this, a 85 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 3: black man in opera from sixty to sixty six. And 86 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 3: at our home, we had a room that we were 87 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 3: not allowed to go into the kids. I'm the oldest 88 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 3: of four girls. And he would be in there at 89 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: all hours of the day and night. My mom told 90 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: me that it was his hobby Morse code, so he'd 91 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: be in there with the radios. So we were told, 92 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: you're never allowed in that room at any time, and 93 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 3: he would go in there and that was his hobby, 94 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 3: how much as he choose to believe, he was electronic engineer. 95 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: So that's what he said with it, but he was 96 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: an engineer theoretically. I really liked Turkey fruit. I think 97 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: it's a thing. 98 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: You know what I remember about her. I remember the 99 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: Turkish bread. So in Turkey the breakfast is tea and bread. 100 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: You know, it's very It's not eggs and bacon and pancakes. 101 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: And I can remember going to a when I was 102 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: a kid, I could speak Turkish, going to a Turkish 103 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: girl friend's house for breakfast and they had you know, 104 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: the tea, the bread with the jam and stuff. I 105 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 3: had thirteen pieces of bread, the little ones. And the 106 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 3: father didn't know I could speak Turkish, and he said, 107 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: this little girl, what. 108 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: Was there someone who cooked for you? Did your mother? 109 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 3: We did? We did have a cook. Yes, we would 110 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: have bread in the cheese. We would have that, a 111 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: lot of fish. Potatoes. I love potatoes everything, Oh my god, 112 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: I love it. There is no such thing as a 113 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 3: bad potato, No such thing. 114 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: And when you come home, would there be family? Do 115 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: you remember family meals? When we were all around the 116 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: table every night talk. 117 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: Those houses that you all had to eat dinner together, 118 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 3: we didn't. 119 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 120 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: My thing when we came back from the States, my 121 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: favorite thing was McDonald's because I had never seen anything 122 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: like that. Yeah that was yeah sixty six. So McDonald's 123 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 3: was a treat. That was a treat for me. 124 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: And your four sisters were older than you. 125 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: I'm the oldest, you're the oldest. 126 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 2: So there were people told. 127 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: Me, Ruthie that I was very bossy as a child. 128 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: I can't imagine, No, I can't. 129 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: I call it good executive skills. I do not think 130 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 3: it was bossy. 131 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: What was it like the home life of favor with 132 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: four girls? And your parents and. 133 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: I had a really great childhood, was it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, 134 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,239 Speaker 3: of four kids. Just think I think about my mom 135 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 3: by the time she was twenty five twenty sixty, had 136 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 3: four girls. I didn't have my first baby until I 137 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: was thirty one. 138 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 139 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 3: I can't imagine at twenty six having four girls. And 140 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 3: you know, my mom was in college, she was on 141 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: her way to law school, and she went to the 142 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 3: doctor and they thought she had a tumor and the 143 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 3: tumor turned out to be me. 144 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, how old were you. 145 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: When you had your first baby? 146 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: Twenty four twenty hours little? Yeah, that seemed that I 147 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: had three stepchildren when I was twenty one, twenty one, yeah, 148 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: twenty one. Yeah, so can you imagine? Okay, but you 149 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: just kind of did it, you know, you know you're 150 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: exactly right back then. You just did it. We didn't 151 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: and you. 152 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: Didn't think about it. 153 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Actually we moved to Paris, and so again 154 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: I was twenty two to twenty three in Paris. Yeah, 155 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: and that was so have you have you ever had went. 156 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: To Paris as a kid? Yeah, yes, you know. 157 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: The father, the engineer. 158 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 3: Well, the thing about living in Turkey, we traveled a lot. 159 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 3: So for a vacation we went to Paris, I would 160 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: go to the Acropolis, which is you know, as in Greece. 161 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody at the dinner the other 162 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: night that the majority of Americans don't have passports. 163 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: Not only Americans, but our senators. Do you know that? 164 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: They founding to me A portion of Senators don't have 165 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: passports and they don't you know, travel. 166 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: I don't mean even now, even now, most Americans do 167 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 3: not have passports. I mean, yeah, I'm sort of I'm 168 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: taken aback by that. 169 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: Do your kids travel do they? Did you take your 170 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: kids everywhere? How many children do I have too? 171 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: I think travel is I think exposure and travel, if 172 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: you can do it is very important for children. 173 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: And food. That's the thing when you travel again, going 174 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: back to the food, is that when we travel. You know, 175 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 2: when you travel, now, do you think about where you're 176 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: going to eat and what you're going to eat and 177 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: if you're going to have tea in britten in London? 178 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: But how do you mean that? 179 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 3: You know? You get there. I like to get the 180 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: lay of the land and then you like to find 181 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 3: out what are they And it doesn't have to be 182 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 3: I just like to really have great food. 183 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: School where in California? 184 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 3: So in the I lived in a place called me 185 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 3: I went to Menlo Athern and High So I lived 186 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: in something a place called Menlo Park, which is a 187 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: Bay area Palo A, Menlo Park. It's a big Silicon valley. Now, 188 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: when I was in high school, that wasn't the case, 189 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 3: but now it's you know, it's a it's a very 190 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: hot spot to live. 191 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: And then you went to college where. 192 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 3: I went to University of Maryland. My parents moved to 193 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 3: Chevy Chase, Maryland my senior year, and I stayed behind 194 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 3: to finish my senior year of high school. Where did 195 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 3: you stay? 196 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: Where were you? 197 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: So? I lived with a teacher. I lived with a 198 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: teacher and his he was he was my social studies teacher. 199 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: I ended up being with him and his wife and 200 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 3: his two children. And now I look at it when 201 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 3: you know kids today they have college tours and they're 202 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: going looking at different place. I only wanted to go 203 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: to University of Maryland because it would be put me 204 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: closer to the family. That was the only place I 205 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: wanted to get. 206 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: Your sisters were still there, Yeah, Yeah, when you lived 207 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: with this teacher, was it was it a very different experience. 208 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: No, no, because Peggy the mom could actually cook. I 209 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 3: can still remember her zucchini. She used to make this 210 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: sauteed zucchini with mozzarella cheese. Isn't that good? 211 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: Sound? 212 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: Sauted zucchini with onions garlic? God, it was so good. 213 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: Do you think your parents discourage you from cooking? 214 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: Because no, it wasn't that. My mom was an okay cook. 215 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 3: It's not like she was, you know, she did the basics. 216 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: But it's not that they discouraged me. I just I 217 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 3: think I just had no interest in it didn't fair enough. 218 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: But with you, I wish I could do you. 219 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: Oh my god, what else would you do other than cooking? 220 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: What else you wish you could do? 221 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: Sing? 222 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: Sing? You can sing? We just sang, go on l 223 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 2: the way you. 224 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: Look at me. I love I love singing. So yeah, 225 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: but I know that I can't sing. But I think 226 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: what a kick it must be. I just think to 227 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 3: be on a stage like Taylor Swift's new music just 228 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: and I just think what it must be like to 229 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: be on stage where you've just written something on a 230 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 3: piece of paper and then it becomes a hit song 231 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 3: that everybody knows the words. What a kick that is. 232 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: I sometimes get a theater and I just must die 233 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: of jealousy because I just say, the awe of it. 234 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 3: Music is very unifying. Music, sports, food or something. You know. 235 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 3: We live in the world now where everything is such 236 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: a meat show that you know, I crave moments of 237 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 3: sanity and joy, and I think food food does that. 238 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: Going chronologically back to Baltimore, you were at the University 239 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: of Maryland. Yeah, and we're living by yourself. It was 240 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: in the dorm or did you stay with your parents? 241 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: I was grown up. I was in the dorm. You 242 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: Not only was I in the dorm, I was an 243 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 3: r A. 244 00:11:59,000 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: What does that mean? 245 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 3: So I was a resident assistant. So I was the 246 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: one who was in charge of the floor of this. 247 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: You said bossy, you said that. What did you enjoy that? 248 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: Not bossy, RUTHI executive leadership. Go. This is thing about me. 249 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: I've always been a very curious kid, and I also 250 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 3: like hearing about other people's problems. And I'm very good 251 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 3: at listening to problems and giving unsolicited advice. Yes, that's 252 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: my son and daughter. I'm really good at it. 253 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: I had this idea of writing a book called we're 254 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 2: so smart. Listen to us. You know how we always 255 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: want to giving advice, like to our kids. This is like, 256 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 2: we think we're so smart. 257 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 3: We're so smart. 258 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: Listen to us, because we're just so smart. Just about 259 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: so I'm giving. 260 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: I think I have good common sense. I really, I 261 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: really do. I think I have good common sense. And 262 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: I always liked listening to how people are doing and 263 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 3: what they're thinking. Oh, Ruthie. I will sit in a 264 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 3: conversation and I go, I'm not going to say a word. 265 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna listen, and somebody will say something and 266 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: I just friggin can't help it. I'll go, well, why 267 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 3: did you think so and so and so and so? 268 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: Why did you do so and so? This is even strangers. 269 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 3: I don't even know. 270 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 4: So. 271 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: I thought that I would either be a child psychologist. 272 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 3: I thought I'd be very good at that, or I'd 273 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 3: be a lawyer, because I saw myself arguing my case 274 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 3: in front of a jury, and I was never going 275 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: to represent the bad guy. I was always going to 276 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 3: represent the state. I had it all figured out, and 277 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: then life sec a turn. I got a job at 278 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 3: a TV station when I was in college, when in 279 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: the newsroom when I was hooked. 280 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: What was your job? 281 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 3: I had a very entry level job, you know, where 282 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: you see like if I was interviewing Ruthie Rogers and 283 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: I type out Ruthie Rogers and your title. I was 284 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: a person who did that. I'd get the scripts, rip 285 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: the scripts and you know, give them to the anchors, 286 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 3: roll the prompter back. Then you know where they're reading. 287 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: So it was very entry level. But I say, you 288 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: can if you're if you're really serious and really good, 289 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: you can parlay an entry level job to something else. 290 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 3: And that is what I did. 291 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 2: Tell me about that. 292 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: So this was at I graduated from University of Maryland. 293 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: I got a job. And while I was in college, 294 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 3: I was working at a TV station in Washington. And 295 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: then when I graduated, I got a job in Baltimore, Maryland. 296 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: You can do creative writing on your resume without lying, 297 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: but very creative writing. And I got a job. And 298 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 3: I always say to people, you want to make sure 299 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: the boss knows your name, not in a bad way, 300 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 3: like oh my god, she's so I'm not just da 301 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: da da da. You want somebody who knows I was 302 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: a kind of kid, you know. Is there anything I 303 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: can do, or can I go out on a story 304 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: with you? Or I tried writing this, could you take 305 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: a look? So you know, I volunteer to work on 306 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: holidays or weekends or whatever it took to make myself 307 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: useful is what I did. And then you get noticed 308 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: and people start calling on you and asking you to 309 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: do things. 310 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: I think as on the other side, now that we're 311 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: both on the other side of that of that table, 312 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: don't you notice it when will do yes? 313 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes. 314 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: Do you know David Putnam, producer in Great Films, he 315 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: was looking for an assistant. Everybody kept, you know, trying 316 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: to impress him, impress and then this young person said, 317 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: mister Putnam, I will make you the best cup of 318 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: coffee you've ever had yet You're hired. And it's just 319 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: something about the simplicity and the passion I'm wanting to 320 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: do something. 321 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 322 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 4: Really, that's why when people come in and their interns, 323 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 4: you can tell there are some interns that are looking 324 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 4: at their watch like, oh my god, how much longer 325 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 4: is there's going to be and others that are that 326 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 4: are really eager and there's a way to do it 327 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 4: without kissing ass you. 328 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, as employers don't want to take the person necessarily 329 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: who make us the best cup of coffee. Want to 330 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: take somebody's curious, that's curious. That's the one. When people 331 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: ask me what I look for in an interview, I always 332 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: say curiosity. 333 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: Yes, I think you know. I was told as a 334 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: kid that I was nosy. I hate that word nose. 335 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: I don't like that. Man'll see not nosy, No. 336 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: And I said, I'm not nosy. I am curious. 337 00:15:59,560 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: Curious. 338 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: There is a difference, yea. 339 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: So tell me more about it. 340 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 4: Me. 341 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: So I got into a reporter training program back. 342 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: At DC, and what year, what decade are we in? 343 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: Like we're in the seventies. 344 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: Do you think it's changed the Well. 345 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: Digital makes it different, but I think, you know, the 346 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 3: work ethic doesn't change. I mean, I applied for this 347 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: reporter training program and I didn't get it the first time. 348 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: And I thought that I was a shoe in because 349 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: I knew everybody who was interviewing. It was at my 350 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: old station. I said, they know me. I think they 351 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: liked me, I think, and I didn't get it. They 352 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: only had four slots, and I remember being stunned that 353 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 3: I didn't get it, And so I went to the 354 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 3: boss and he's in his office and he's reading a 355 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 3: newspaper and his feed are up on the table, which 356 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: is never a good sign. And I walked in and 357 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: he went yes, and I went, well, I was just 358 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 3: curious about why I didn't get the reporter training program, 359 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: because you know, I've been here and I think you 360 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 3: all are familiar with my work, and it just it 361 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 3: just didn't see fair to me. And he's sitting there, 362 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: he doesn't miss a beat, he's reading the news. Baby 363 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: goes Gail, life ain't fair anything else. I mean you 364 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 3: just kind of go, uh no, sir, thank you for 365 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: your time. I mean, I was so thrilled by that. 366 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: What a great thing. 367 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 3: But it was such as life ain't fair. You don't 368 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 3: always get what you think you're supposed to get, you 369 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 3: don't always get even what you think you deserve. Sometimes 370 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: life ain't fair. It has nothing to do with you. 371 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 3: And so that was a really really uh defining moment 372 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 3: for me. 373 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: And then what did you do to know? 374 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 3: Well? So then I applied and got another job, and 375 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 3: then I ended up in Baltimore as a production assistant, 376 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 3: the entry level position, and I did that and then 377 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 3: I got my first real job where you're gayl okaying 378 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: Action News in Kansas City, Missouri. I applied all over 379 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 3: the country and got this job in Kansas City, Missouri. 380 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 3: I had my little resume tape and I can remember 381 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 3: being out on my first live shot. There was breaking news. 382 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 3: I was supposed to interview the police chief, and I 383 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 3: was very nervous. My clothes hadn't come, you know, from 384 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 3: moving cross country. I'm wearing the same thing i'd worn 385 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 3: two days in a row. So I called one of 386 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 3: my mentors and I said, Bruce, I'm so nervous, my 387 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 3: clothes haven't come. It's breaking news. I'm about to beat 388 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 3: the police chief and I'm not sure what to do. 389 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah. And he goes, oh, grow 390 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: up and hung up the phone. That was less than 391 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 3: number two. You know where you go Hello because you 392 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 3: can't believe I've called you in distress and you're like, oh, 393 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 3: grow up. Click, But Ruthie, in the moment, it's shocking. 394 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 3: It's shocking, and then you got to put on your 395 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 3: big girl panties and figure it out. But at the 396 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 3: time I didn't think it was good. The time, I 397 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 3: was devastated by it. And another good lesson for me 398 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 3: was Maya Angelou. She was, you know, my Angelou. I 399 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 3: was friends with her, and she was like wisdom and 400 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 3: liquid poetry, and you know, Oprah and I would go 401 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: to her house and we feel like we needed a 402 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 3: notepad because everything she said was so good. And I 403 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 3: remember calling her something had happened at CBS, and I said, 404 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 3: and then then they said blah blah blah blah blah, 405 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 3: and then I didn't get to do blah blah blah 406 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: blah blah. And she goes, stop it. I go, wait, wait, 407 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 3: I'm not done. Yeah, it doesn't matter right now. Just 408 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 3: say thank you. I go, what am I saying thank 409 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 3: you about? Just say thank you? So I went thank you. 410 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 3: She goes, Gail whining is so unbecoming. It lets them 411 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 3: know there's a victim in the neighborhood. Isn't that good? 412 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 2: How did it overha? 413 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 3: How did Oprah? I met her when we went to 414 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 3: when I went and got the job in Baltimore. 415 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: Oh, she was in Baltimore. 416 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, So we met when we were twenty 417 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: one and twenty two. So I'm here in the newsroom 418 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: and she's here. She's the anchor. She's like, whoa, that's 419 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 3: Oprah Whiffy, she's the anchor. I used to go to 420 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 3: open and say, do you have any cairns for your piece? 421 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: She was she was twenty two, and. 422 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: We became friends there, and now we're seventy and seventy one. 423 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 3: We've been friends a long time. And I remember calling 424 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 3: my mom and saying, mom, my friend opened the newsroom. 425 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 3: She went to casual corner and she bought two sweaters 426 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 3: because I was putting mine on layaway. And I remember 427 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 3: Opah was twenty two and when she turned thirty, she 428 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 3: made thirty thousand dollars, And I said, wouldn't it be 429 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 3: cool if when you turn fifty you make fifty thousand dollars? Boy? 430 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: Things have change? 431 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: Did she a right? 432 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: She liked food? No, she loves to eat. Yeah, tell 433 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: me about she comes. 434 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 3: She's really great with pasta. Yeah, she makes really good pasta. 435 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 3: She makes lovely sandwiches with turkey and melted cheese, and 436 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 3: she likes crunchy bread. She's good. 437 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 2: Do you remember those days and when you would go so, how. 438 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 3: Did she do that? Now? She still she wasn't cooking 439 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 3: when we were younger. 440 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 2: No, No, I think that's the thing when you're working, 441 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: and then when you had children, because you had children 442 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: while you were your career, So how did you manage 443 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: domestic life? And my search and. 444 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: Mary and I had a husband. Unfortunately, my husband didn't 445 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 3: believe in monogamy, so that can be challenging. Okay, So 446 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 3: I got a divorce when my kids were four and five. 447 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 3: And I just think that you just, you know, a 448 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 3: working mother, you just juggle a lot of balls. You're 449 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 3: gonna have some. Yeah, that's going to drop some. 450 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 2: Did you have help? Did you have was your family nearby? 451 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: No? No, No, because I was anchoring the news in Connecticut. No, 452 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: but I had a nanny. I had a nanny. But 453 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 3: I just think, you know, when you're a mom and 454 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 3: you're working, you you don't get it right all the time. 455 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 3: And my thing is you drop some balls, but pick 456 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 3: the balls up and keep on going. What my children 457 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 3: did know is that they were the most important things 458 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 3: in my life. I tried to make it so I 459 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 3: was the first thing they saw in the morning and 460 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 3: the last thing they saw at night. I really did 461 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 3: try to do that very diligently. 462 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 2: You know, he's an anchor. 463 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I was an anchor. I was a reporter. Yes, 464 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 3: I was started as a reporter. Then I was a 465 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 3: reporter slash anchor. Then I became a full time anchor. 466 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: And I just think, you know, I think when you're 467 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 3: happy at what you do, it actually makes you a 468 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 3: better mother. 469 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. 470 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 3: I didn't listen. Being a sting at home mom was 471 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 3: not something I wanted to do. You know, when I 472 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 3: started in my career, because he was a lawyer, the 473 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 3: plan was that I would be working and by you know, 474 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 3: he would go to law school, and then by the 475 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 3: time his career was up, then I would be ready 476 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 3: to leave mine. Say, when the kids were thirteen fourteen, 477 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: and it just didn't work out that way. They turned 478 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 3: thirteen or fourteen, I was thinking, I don't want to 479 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 3: leave my job. I was divorced by then, but I 480 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 3: was still thinking I don't want to leave my job. 481 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: I'm sitting here today at seventy thinking I don't want 482 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 3: to leave my jo. I keep waiting for that feeling. 483 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 3: Then after my grandchildren were born, people said, oh, she's 484 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 3: gonna quit, she's gonna go, she's gonna I don't want 485 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 3: to do that. I still really love what I get 486 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 3: to do. 487 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: Still, of course you do. Still, I just thought about 488 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: doing a new restaurant this summer and I thought, yeah 489 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 2: and everything. 490 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: You know, the restaurant business is very difficult. 491 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: Every job is hard, and I you know, being a 492 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: restaurant person being not really well, maybe they are, Yeah, 493 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: I don't. I think the way you work in the 494 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: image of a restaurant, that old fashioned male image of 495 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: the angry chefs and they're screaming a bully and they're 496 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 2: screaming and they have to get the food out. 497 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 3: I think back in the day, people like in the newsrooms, 498 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 3: you had people throwing typewriters and screaming and hollering at. 499 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: You had people burning people's hands, and they would punish 500 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: chefs by you know, just getting the thing hot. I 501 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: have a chef and said she was taking soufleets out 502 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: of avan here in London. Yes, and the I won't 503 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: say it was, but the bent over to her and 504 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 2: he said that if those two plays don't rise, this 505 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 2: frying pan will be on your head. So he was 506 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: threatening to hit her over the head with a rhyme 507 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: pan and that's against the law, you know. 508 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 3: That's what I think so too, that women today don't 509 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: take the stuff. 510 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 2: They don't don't take it anymore. Yeah. 511 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 512 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 2: Are there more women that you work with now than 513 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 2: before you find them? 514 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 3: Ye? Yep. It's still not equal, but yes, there are 515 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 3: definitely more women. And I think women are lasting longer too. 516 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 3: You know, it used to be thirty five, forty fifty, 517 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: forget it. You know, because men can age, they can 518 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 3: get wrinkles, they can get fat tummies, they can go bald, 519 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 3: and they're just distinguished. When it happens to women, it's like, God, 520 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 3: she looks old. And I just think that that's changing. 521 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 3: I think that that's changing. 522 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 2: Tell me about space, because we have to go up 523 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 2: to dinner soon. 524 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: Tell me about it was terrifying. Tell me because Ruthie, 525 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: I am not a raper. I'm a very nervous flyer. 526 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: I don't get on a roller coaster. But there was 527 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 3: something I had said in January, I'm going to open 528 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: myself up to new adventures. I was referring to dating, 529 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 3: and I said, I'm going to open myself up to 530 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: new adventures. 531 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 2: I found yourself instead with myself on. 532 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 3: A friggin rocket, and I thought there's something about stepping 533 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 3: out of your comfort zone and being part of the 534 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: first all female crew was attractive to me. I have 535 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 3: to say, I just felt that that I'm going to 536 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: lean into it. I'm as afraid as I am, and 537 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 3: I was very afraid I'm going to lean into it. 538 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 3: I called Tyler Perry, he did a zoom prayer. I 539 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 3: called t D Jake's. I talked to my kitchen cabinet, 540 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 3: which is my favorite daughter, Kirby, favorite son, Will and 541 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 3: Oprah of course, and if any of the three of 542 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 3: them it said, I don't think you should do it, 543 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have done it. If any one of them 544 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 3: they almost said, we do you think you should do it? 545 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 3: If you want to do it, you should do it. 546 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 3: And so we go up. It's very terrifying, and I 547 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 3: ask you what you may I eat anything? I wanted 548 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,479 Speaker 3: my empty I wanted nothing just in case. But we 549 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: went up. And then when we're coming down, we had 550 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 3: said to Katie Katy Perry, are you going to sing 551 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 3: roar or are you going to sing fireworks? She goes, 552 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 3: shut the bleep up. I'm not going to sing a song. 553 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 3: And if I was, I'm not going to sing any 554 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 3: of my own friggin songs. But when we came back down, 555 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 3: I could feel myself getting really really lightheaded, and I thought, 556 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 3: oh my god, please don't let me pass out, please, 557 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 3: because that's how scared I became. I thought I'm about 558 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 3: to pass out. And the image I didn't want was 559 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 3: everybody comes off the capsule and they can stretch. But 560 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 3: as we broke through and we came back down, all 561 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 3: of a sudden, Katie starts singing iced dreams, What a 562 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 3: wonderful world. So we're in the capsule and you just 563 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: hear that Katy Perry voice in a cappella singing icy 564 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 3: dream That gave us all goosebumps. We were all like, 565 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: oh my god. It was just so special. So I'm 566 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 3: very proud of myself because I'm as I said, and 567 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: I'm not brave, but that I did it and that 568 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 3: we came back. I came back in one piece, didn't 569 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 3: use a diaper, and I. 570 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 2: Was fine, and we were hungry, but it was great. 571 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 3: It was great. I think we're forever bonded. 572 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: Would you do it again? 573 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 3: I would. I'm not going to do it anytime soon, 574 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 3: but I would definitely do it again. 575 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: Well, we have to stop because we have to go 576 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: and eat. But before we do, we have a question 577 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 2: that we ask everybody. Then I hope you don't have 578 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: to seek comfort very often, Gail King, because I love you. 579 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, Ruthie, thank you. 580 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 2: If you do need comfort, if you seek comfort anyone, 581 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 2: it isn't food. Is there something that you would reach for? 582 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 3: Anything? With icing? 583 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 2: With icing? You love icing? 584 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 3: I love our good cupcake. Yeah, a terrible, terrible sweet tooth. 585 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 3: The comfort of connection with other human beings matters more 586 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 3: than anything. You know this, and it's not necessarily. You 587 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 3: can create your own family as you see, but connection 588 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 3: with other human beings matters to me more than anything anything. 589 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: Like connector We've connected. 590 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you. 591 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: Ruthie's Table four is proud to support Leukemia UK. Their 592 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 2: Cartwheel for a Cure campaign raises funds for vital research 593 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: and more effective and kinder treatments for a cute my 594 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: Lord Leukemia. 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