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Speaker 1: a detour from the usual routine this week, midway through

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Speaker 1: convenient timing for this. It's a break from the major

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Speaker 1: league team's performance that is all draining at us, looking

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Speaker 1: coming in their farm system. It's Elis us been here

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Speaker 1: managing editor at Fitz Stripes. We're expecting to have a

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Speaker 1: four man crew by the time this pod episode is through.

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Speaker 1: With Ethan Bodowski, You've seen him all over the place.

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Speaker 1: He's been on a lot of our streams and our

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Speaker 1: Fish Stripes and Spencer Morris as well, where you can

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Speaker 1: catch all his stuff on Fish Stripes on the Crawfish Boxes.

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Speaker 1: Remind me again, Spencer about your blog as well, where

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Speaker 1: you're covering prosperity.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have a draft blog called Diamond Dreams, which

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Speaker 2: is mostly just draft player profiles for the most part.

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Speaker 1: Perfect and Spencer has he has a game to go do.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be doing some scouting and Ian when

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Speaker 6: Yeah, leaving with Jazz absolutely, I think he's looked like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's almost an understatement about using his arsenal. That

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Speaker 1: That flows pretty conveniently into a guy that no fence

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Speaker 1: That's decent company, and not just the results, but Rogers.

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Speaker 6: great great, sorry I'm losing my words here a little bit,

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Speaker 6: but uh, great praise from throughout the industry. Buddy of mine,

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Speaker 6: Ray Butler, wrote a great article earlier this offseason on

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Speaker 6: Humn being a budding star going forward, and it's just

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Speaker 6: showing right now in the Mountain. It's gonna be exciting

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Speaker 6: to watch him pitch tomorrow, and it's just been fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just sorry, you know on the point that you

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Speaker 4: know he was better than he looked last year, or

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Speaker 4: you know, then the numbers went chill last year, like

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Speaker 4: he had a six point one to one er A,

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Speaker 4: but his FIP was four three three, So that shows

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Speaker 4: that he just kind of had some bad luck and

447
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Speaker 4: was actually a lot better than the numbers might suggest.

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Speaker 4: But he just kind of pitched like he had nothing

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Speaker 4: to lose last year because he didn't, because he wasn't

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Speaker 4: supposed to be there, nobody expected anything from him.

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Speaker 5: He came up, he was really good.

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Speaker 4: You know, he struck a bunch of people out and

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Speaker 4: now he took that confidence that I can compete with

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Speaker 4: these guys, I can get out the best hitters in

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Speaker 4: the world. And he's showing it this year where he

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Speaker 4: got stronger, he's throwing harder, his stuff looks a lot better,

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Speaker 4: and he's going to strike a bunch of people out

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Speaker 4: this year and be really impressive.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: He I was.

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Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 4: I was a proponent of calling knighter it up and

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Speaker 4: being that final starter when we thought that when we

464
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Speaker 4: weren't sure about six star or whatever.

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Speaker 5: But he he forced the Marlins hand.

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Speaker 4: He had to be called up because he was so

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Speaker 4: good in spring training and I you know, I'm really

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Speaker 4: looking forward to him pitching tomorrow because I just want

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Speaker 4: to see him continue to grow and continue to use

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Speaker 4: that stuff. And he's he's an exciting I love the

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Speaker 4: way he pitches. It's an exciting guy to watch for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, with them, Trevor, what was I going to say?

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Speaker 1: It's very unusual to have somebody in this kind of

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Speaker 1: role who barely pitched at double A and completely skip

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Speaker 1: triple A. And I mean that was the reason why

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Speaker 1: some of us were suspecting that he would begin this

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Speaker 1: season in the minors, just because it's very unusual to

478
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Speaker 1: have so little high level minor league experience and yet

479
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Speaker 1: be like pinned for this very significant role at the

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Speaker 1: major league level that they want to take it slow

481
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Speaker 1: and instead, I mean, especially now with a couple injury

482
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Speaker 1: setbacks in the rotation like he, the leash is very

483
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Speaker 1: long on him to prove himself and work. If there's

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Speaker 1: any potential hiccups that he experiences at the level major

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Speaker 1: league level, they're going to let him work through it,

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Speaker 1: just because now, all of a sudden, the team's depth

487
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Speaker 1: at the major league level is a little bit thin,

488
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Speaker 1: and he's considered now one of the right right behind

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Speaker 1: Sandy and Pablo. He's going to be one of the

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Speaker 1: three guys that they're expecting to stick in that rotation

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Speaker 1: for the long haul, at least for the rest of

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Speaker 1: this season, if as assuming that he makes those little

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Speaker 1: adjustments along the way to finish up. Though with a

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Speaker 1: couple other guys the Rule five guys that are on

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Speaker 1: this major league roster right now. It was a decision

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Speaker 1: over the offseason that I kind of raised an eyebrow

497
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Speaker 1: about would they really be carrying two Rule five guys

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Speaker 1: on their roster for this upcoming season, knowing that they

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Speaker 1: already had what most people agreed was so much depth

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Speaker 1: at the high miners levels that do they really need

501
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Speaker 1: more pitching depth than were they really willing to carve

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Speaker 1: out the space for both Paul Campbell and Zach Pop

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Speaker 1: To this point, they're both on the roster. We've now

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Speaker 1: seen both of them pitch in regular season games, and

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Speaker 1: I want to spend more time on Paul Campbell one

506
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Speaker 1: because I know Spencer has been following him pretty closely

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Speaker 1: for years, even before the Marlins added him, and he's

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Speaker 1: a pretty unique pitcher. I mean, Spencer had an article

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Speaker 1: about why his pitch characteristics are very unique relative to

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Speaker 1: just about anybody else. To this point, though, we've seen

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Speaker 1: him at least once pitching at the major league level,

512
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Speaker 1: and he did pitch a couple of times stuff of

513
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Speaker 1: course during spring training as well. So we'll have Spencer

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Speaker 1: just way in on Campbell and exactly what we know

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Speaker 1: about him so far, and whether or not all this

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Speaker 1: will translate once he's actually in a starting role instead

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Speaker 1: of in like a mop up relief role.

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Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, as you alluded to, he is pretty unique

519
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Speaker 2: in terms of his kind of stuff profile, mainly for

520
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Speaker 2: the reason that he doesn't throw especially hard, but he

521
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Speaker 2: produces a ton of spin on all of his stuff.

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Speaker 2: Velocity and spin rate tend to be fairly correlated, so

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Speaker 2: it's sort of unique to see a guy who his

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Speaker 2: spin rate like vastly outstripts his power essentially, and that

525
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Speaker 2: applies to both the fastball and the breaking stuff as well.

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Speaker 2: He also, you know, he throws two different breaking balls.

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Speaker 2: And what I've been most struck by watching him his

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Speaker 2: like throughout his career is that the breaking stuff does

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Speaker 2: move a lot, but hitters just don't seem to bite

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Speaker 2: on it very often. It looks pretty good out of

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Speaker 2: his hand, like from my perspective, but for whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: it seems to me like hitters just don't have much

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Speaker 2: difficulty picking picking it up, and he just hasn't. He

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Speaker 2: hasn't been a big whiffs guy really at any level.

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Speaker 2: He has pretty good command of you know, of a

536
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Speaker 2: three pitch mix. The fastball velocity isn't bad, it's more

537
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Speaker 2: just kind of in the average vicinity, and I'm I'm

538
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Speaker 2: not sure where it's going to go from here. I

539
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Speaker 2: thought the debut was pretty impressive in the sense that

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Speaker 2: he was commanding all of his stuff. He was hitting

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Speaker 2: his spots for the most part. Obviously, he handled multiple

542
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Speaker 2: innings before he ran into trouble in his first taste

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Speaker 2: of the big leagues, which that takes something to do.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not sure that I see a swim and

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Speaker 2: miss offer me here anywhere in the arsenal, And for

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Speaker 2: that reason, I do think that his long term role

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Speaker 2: is probably in long relief, emergency starter kind of territory.

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Speaker 2: Like I've said when I've written about him, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe they get him in the lab, they can work

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Speaker 2: out a tweak to one of the breaking balls that

551
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Speaker 2: gives it a little more swing and miss quality, but

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Speaker 2: that's you know, something that is tried with a lot

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Speaker 2: of pitchers and succeeds with few, so well, you know,

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Speaker 2: we'll monitor that, but so far, I just I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's a guy who's pitching the weak contact

556
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Speaker 2: more than he is to strikeouts, and there's a ceiling

557
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Speaker 2: on how much value that can provide. But the underlying

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Speaker 2: pitch data remains very interesting.

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Speaker 1: and that name it hasn't gotten to stick yet, but

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Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna call the Alternate We're.

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Speaker 5: Gonna get me and you.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to start eventually. I'm going to make sure

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Speaker 4: we're going to get to catch on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because alternate training site, that phrase just does not

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Speaker 1: work for me, and I'm disappointed. I'm just it's disappointing

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Speaker 1: less condescending to the players as well. For the Marlins especially,

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Speaker 1: they have a whole lot of talent that are there

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Speaker 1: right now training in Jacksonville. As we mentioned up on

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Speaker 1: the top of the minor league season delayed a little bit.

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Speaker 1: That starts on May fourth, fingers crossed, and in the

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Speaker 1: meantime they're using the Triple A facility in Jacksonville to

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Speaker 1: house all these guys, most of whom we expect to

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Speaker 1: start in the minor league season at Triple A. But

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Speaker 1: some of them are I've already been optioned to Double

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Speaker 1: A and could go down there. Some of the other ones,

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Speaker 1: there's there's a little bit of maneuvering that could go

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Speaker 1: on there. But just generally speaking, these are guys that

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Speaker 1: are relatively close to being major league ready. Some are

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Speaker 1: more of depth pieces, but others are some of the

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Speaker 1: best prospect in the organization. I wanted to run through

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Speaker 1: the pictures that are down there right now, and the

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Speaker 1: obvious one is six. No Sanchez. We don't need to

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Speaker 1: talk too much about him right now, because one he's

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Speaker 1: still recovering from a minor shoulder injury, and we already

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Speaker 1: know all about sixt. I wanted to shift the attention

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Speaker 1: to some of the other pictures down there, just to

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Speaker 1: read off the names. Anthony Bender, Daniel Castano, Jake Fishman,

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Speaker 1: Braxton Garrett, Alexander Gien, Jordan Holloway, Luis Madero, Sean Moramando,

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Speaker 1: Cody po tit Zach Thompson, and I believe it's been

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Speaker 1: reported that Brandon Lee Brandt is coming back to the

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Speaker 1: organization as well, and he'll be reporting up to Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: I guess for Ethan, we'll go to you. You're not

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Speaker 1: allowed to say six Dough out of any of those

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Speaker 1: other any of those other pictures that I just named,

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Speaker 1: who are you just most intrigued to follow this year?

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Speaker 1: Some of them likely candidates to be at the major

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Speaker 1: league level for a portion of this, but just in

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Speaker 1: terms of their general development, who are those guys? Any

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Speaker 1: one of those pictures that you is your guy for

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Speaker 1: better or worse.

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Speaker 4: There's two that stand out to me from that list

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Speaker 4: that you just read off of in terms of the

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Speaker 4: fact that they might actually have an impact at the

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Speaker 4: big league level this year, and it's Anthony bender Fish

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Speaker 4: Stripe's favorite, and Jordan Holloway.

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Speaker 5: I was done with Jordan Holloway.

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Speaker 4: The last time we were doing earning their stripes because

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Speaker 4: of just how abysmal some of his starts were just

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Speaker 4: kind of letting things go. It seemed like he just

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Speaker 4: couldn't locate too many walks, too many hits. You know,

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Speaker 4: the stuff is certainly there, but it just seemed like

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Speaker 4: it was just a lost cause. But I think he

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Speaker 4: has a really effective role in the bullpen because I

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Speaker 4: think we were talking about this on the stream yesterday,

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Speaker 4: Eli the Marlins need guys at the back end of

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Speaker 4: the pen with nasty stuff. They need some gas, and

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Speaker 4: they need some good breaking stuff, and Holloway throws gas

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Speaker 4: and he has good breaking stuff. We saw this slider

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Speaker 4: that he was incorporating now that you know, was really

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Speaker 4: I thought, really nasty in that one appearance that he made,

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Speaker 4: and I kind of wish he got a second one. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: they didn't need him because he pitched two innings. He

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Speaker 4: wasn't gonna pitch the next day. So when Cooper came back,

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Speaker 4: he was the easy option just to send back to

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Speaker 4: the fish tank. But I just think that he can

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Speaker 4: have an impact because his stuff is so good at

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Speaker 4: the back end of the pen, and I think the

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Speaker 4: Marlins need some of that electric stuff at the back

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Speaker 4: end of the pen. There's just too many soft tossers

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Speaker 4: right now in the bullpen. I like a lot of

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Speaker 4: the weapons that they have, but if guys like Curtis

653
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 4: or Simber or even you know, a Bass continued to struggle,

654
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 4: then they're gonna need somebody to come in and kind

655
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 4: of breathe some life into the pen. And Holloway is

656
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 4: one guy, and then and Bender is the other guy.

657
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 4: And bender Mania, you know, took Marlon's Twitter by storm

658
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: this spring because he's got electric stuff, you know, ninety

659
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 4: eight good breaking stuff. I think he throws that nice slider,

660
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: so you know, he's he looked pretty filthy. I don't

661
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 4: think he allowed to run in spring training. And he's

662
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 4: just another guy. Like I said that, the Marlins needs

663
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 4: stuff at the back end of that pen. They need

664
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Speaker 4: something that's gonna light up the radar gun that's gonna

665
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 4: get swing and miss because they don't have a lot

666
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: of swing and miss at the back end of the pen,

667
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 4: and so far it's cost him. I mean, you know,

668
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: the two blown saved. So far, the bullpen hasn't been

669
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 4: great because they don't have a lot of swing and miss.

670
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: So these two guys can bring some swing and miss

671
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 4: to the bullpen. And I would love to see Bender

672
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 4: as soon as possible, because maddingly said during spring training

673
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 4: that you know, they don't know where they got him

674
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 4: from basically, but he's got big league stuff, and he's

675
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 4: got stuff that's going to play in the bigs, and

676
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 4: so I would really love to see him, you know,

677
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 4: get his opportunity because hell if the if the bullpen

678
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 4: keeps pitching like this, they're gonna need as much help

679
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 4: as they can get.

680
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: So I'm guilty of being in somewhat of a Marlin's

681
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: bubble when it comes to prospects. So for Ian and Spencer,

682
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: just just just being honest, did you have any idea

683
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: who Anthony Bender was until spring training? Had you ever

684
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: seen his name? Had you known anything about him prior

685
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: to ever?

686
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: Never?

687
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 6: And I'd popped up in my head, but it wasn't

688
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 6: somebody I knew, but.

689
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. Once I saw him pitch, I was

690
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: wondering why I had never heard of him, because the

691
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: stuff certainly seemed like, you know, like pretty notable stuff.

692
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 6: You find some guy every year that just has his

693
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 6: gas and you're like, okay, another one.

694
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 4: Right, Well, that's the that's the thing with bullpens now, right,

695
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 4: is like nobody's spending a ton of money on bullpen

696
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 4: arms because you don't have to because one they're so volatile,

697
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: it changes so much from year to year.

698
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 5: And two they're they're.

699
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: Coming from they're pouring out of major league systems right now,

700
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. You find a guy like

701
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 4: Zach Popp who comes in, you know, the Orioles didn't

702
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: want him. The d back straight at him, you know

703
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: what I mean. And and he comes in and he

704
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 4: looks like a guy that could be a serious contributor

705
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 4: to this pen. You know, Jordan Alloway, you know, looked

706
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 4: like a lost cause basically, and all of a sudden,

707
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 4: he's got stuff, you know, that could play in the bullpens.

708
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 4: So and then you look at you know, the Blue

709
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 4: Jays paid big money for Kirby Yates and he's down

710
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 4: to Tommy John and you know, some of these big time,

711
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 4: big money closers, you know, never end up really working out.

712
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 5: I mean, look at the Marlins and Heath Bell, you know,

713
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 5: last decade.

714
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 4: So that's the that's the thing with bullpens now is

715
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 4: they can become so internal because it's just who throws

716
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 4: hard and who can get swings and misses. And there's

717
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 4: plenty of guys right now that can throw hard and

718
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 4: get swings and misses, and the Marlins need them for sure,

719
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 4: for sure.

720
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, the final word on the pitchers down there, focusing

721
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: on Braxton Garrett, just like Trevor Rodgers, is a former

722
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: first round pick, someone we got to see the majors

723
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: a little bit last year. Debut was underwhelming, I'd say

724
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: mainly because his fastball velocity in those starts was lower

725
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: than advertised. He was struggling to crack ninety miles per hour.

726
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: But in spring training this year, rarely refreshing bounce back

727
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: in that department, he looked more like the top prospect

728
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: that he is. I'm sure we'll see him in the

729
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: majors this year. But just like Trevor Rodgers, he's someone

730
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: that had basically no high miners experience, which means that

731
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: it's understandable that they'll be moving him along a little

732
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: bit more gradually whether he starts this year, and he'll

733
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: probably start this year in Jacksonville at tripa A, but

734
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: we'll want to get a bunch of starts under his

735
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: belt just to be sure he's totally ready. But I'm

736
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: intrigued to see how much better he looks this year,

737
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: now that he's feeling more like himself, put on a

738
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: little more strength, and we already know about his signature

739
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: curveball that is one of the most prettiest pitches in

740
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: the entire organization on the position player side, also at

741
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: the fish tank. As of this moment, the first one

742
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: in alphabetical order is Eddie Alvarez, the speed skater. But

743
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: in terms of the actual prospects down there, Jose Devers,

744
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: Lewin Diez, Joe du Nander and Carnacion Monte Harrison, Brian Miller,

745
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: Demetrius Simms someone that surprised me, and technically Isan Diez

746
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: has graduated out the prospects phase, but he's down there

747
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: as well. So from reading off all those names, we'll

748
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: start with Spencer on who you're intrigued by. Among that

749
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: list of players, a few of them who played in

750
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: the majors last year, and a bunch of them that

751
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: are already on the forty man roster that we expect

752
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: to see in the majors this year. It's an interesting group.

753
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: Which one of them really sticks out to you and

754
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: has the most to prove or grow during this upcoming season.

755
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the standout name would have to

756
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: be in Parnacion just as a because of I mean,

757
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: the power upside that he's already shown in the minor leagues.

758
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: I when you're talking about a guy who has true

759
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: impact power, doesn't need to hit a ball on the

760
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: screws to hit it over the fence. We really just

761
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 2: need to see how his hitting skills continue to progress

762
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: and if he's able to take another step forward in

763
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: that kind of department. You're talking about potential everyday corner outfielder,

764
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: which is obviously a highly coveted commodity at the Marlins

765
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: have a lot of those types. They could end up

766
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: with a surplus here before too long. But yeah, I

767
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: mean here are I will say that I do think

768
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: there is some level of hope for a son Diez

769
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: to have a big leak career still which is a

770
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: take that I don't see echoed very often on Marlin's Twitter.

771
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I think at this point, as far as

772
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 2: Miami is concerned, he's not really anything more than a

773
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: trade candidate. But I mean, I still think the organization

774
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: would like to see him handle himself well at the

775
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: training site and maybe rebuild a little of his stock.

776
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: But as far as Miami going forward is concerned, I

777
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: would be most focused on Incarnacion.

778
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: You saw on spring training they tried a little bit

779
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: of an experimentation of him at first base with some

780
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: mixed results or a couple fundamental plays that he hasn't

781
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: quite learned yet, but just a small step in trying

782
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: to develop some positional flexibility just to get him in

783
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: the lineup somehow.

784
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

785
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 4: I kind of like that because they have so many

786
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 4: corner outfielders right So we've talked about, you know, I've

787
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 4: talked about how the Marlins kind of need to lock

788
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 4: down center field because I don't really think they have

789
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 4: a center fielder close to the big leagues right now,

790
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 4: but they do have a ton of corner outfielders in

791
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 4: terms of and Carnassium Blade Verdick Monte, you know, some

792
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 4: of these other guys that are really close to the

793
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: Biggs right now. So in Carnassion, it would be a

794
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 4: nice option for him to go to first base, especially

795
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 4: if the Marlins Aguilar is, you know, a five to

796
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 4: ten year solution. It feels like Carnassium could be that more.

797
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 4: I think he could, you know, be serviceable at first base.

798
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 4: You know, for me, with these guys, it's always for me,

799
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 4: it's always Monte. I'm a huge Monte guy, and I

800
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 4: think he can bring such an impact with his speed

801
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 4: and defense that I just want to see him start

802
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 4: hitting the ball. I liked his spring training. He was

803
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 4: hitting the ball hard, he was putting the ball, the

804
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 4: bat on the ball more, he was making more contact.

805
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 4: So if he can do that, that's what we've all

806
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: been asking for him, for him for from him is

807
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 4: just hitting the ball, just putting the ball in play.

808
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 4: He was doing that a lot more on spring training.

809
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 4: It was a pretty small sample size, but so I'd

810
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 4: like to see that from him. You know, going into

811
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 4: the Triple A season this year, you know, it's it's

812
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 4: getting to be time. You know, he's twenty five years old,

813
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 4: so it's getting to be time for him to kind

814
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 4: of put it all together, and then I'm trying to

815
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 4: think of who who the other one down there was

816
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 4: come come back to me because there was one other

817
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 4: guy on that list that you know, Isan is certainly intriguing,

818
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 4: because yeah, I think there's still a big league career

819
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 4: possibly in there, you know, and maybe it's even at

820
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 4: second base if the Marlins want to, you know, move

821
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 4: the guys to shortstop. But they're not moving on from

822
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 4: miggey Row anytime soon, so you know that, yeah, it

823
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 4: might be in a trade candidate situation. But you know,

824
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 4: some of these options down here, it's really the guys

825
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 4: like Plade and Verdict. Oh Leywen is the guy Endeavors

826
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: are the two guys that I kind of wanted to mention.

827
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 4: Leaywen hits the ball hard. The bat on the ball,

828
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 4: I can't speak right now, but he just hits the

829
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: ball hard every time he makes contact, and he's a really,

830
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 4: really intriguing prospect. The Marlins, I know, are super super

831
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: high on this guy, and I'm high on him as well.

832
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 4: I thought he struck out he didn't make a ton

833
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 4: of contact in the BIGS last year, but like I said,

834
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 4: he was driving the ball when he got the chance to.

835
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 4: I like his spring training AB's he was seeing more pitches,

836
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 4: he looked more comfortable in the box. And then Devers

837
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: is super intriguing because this is a kid that you know,

838
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 4: just hits the ball.

839
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 5: That's all he does.

840
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 4: He had a you know, over seven hundred and fifty

841
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 4: ops at like eighteen and nineteen in like high A

842
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: and he just makes contact. And I saw his batting practice,

843
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 4: and I saw him a little bit when I was

844
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 4: there at the Mornlins camp for spring training, and he

845
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 4: he you know, he makes hard contact for a littler guy.

846
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 4: You know, Donnie said he's beefed up. He went from

847
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 4: like one soaking wet to now I think he's up

848
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: towards one to eighty or something. So he's filling out

849
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 4: more as he gets older. He's a very intriguing prospect.

850
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 4: He's got a smooth glove. He can play both sides

851
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 4: of the bag. So I've liked Devers, you know, I've

852
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 4: had my eye on Dever since Ian and I were

853
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 4: doing earning their stripes back in the day. And he's

854
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: another guy that had a good spring looks really impressive.

855
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 5: I know that Marlins really really like his potentials.

856
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 6: So yeah, to double back a little bit, a little

857
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 6: bit on Harrah. I really don't want to see him

858
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 6: at first base right now in his career. I think

859
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 6: they need to maximize if he can be a corner

860
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 6: outfielder at the next level right now, because that's something

861
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 6: that they don't know if they have that yet. Having

862
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 6: Lewin being so close to the majors, it gives them

863
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 6: chance to work out some kinks with her at first base.

864
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 6: But I just rather not see that. He has the

865
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 6: potential to be an everyday right fielder for me. His

866
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 6: arm strength and powers unparalleled in the system. But another

867
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 6: couple of guys I want to mention is Brian Miller

868
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 6: and JJ Olday obviously, but Brian Miller, I think is

869
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 6: a guy who's going to get a chance in the

870
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 6: majors a lot sooner than we think. If Dickerson keeps

871
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 6: faltering as much as he is in left field, I

872
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 6: think Brian Miller can get a shot by Junior July

873
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 6: at the earliest, I think. And he puts the bat

874
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 6: on the ball as well as anybody in the organization.

875
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 6: He had a long track record of hitting in the

876
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 6: ACC in college, and he's hit once he got into

877
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 6: the marwins minor leagues, So he's a guy who really

878
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 6: doesn't get any talk because the bat's not truly impactful.

879
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 6: But he does a lot of things well and I

880
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 6: think he's gonna be in the majors this year and

881
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 6: sooner than later. And of course, JJ Obaday, I can't

882
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 6: go without talking about him. The hit tool looked really

883
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 6: good this spring. He hit a couple of balls extremely

884
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 6: hard opposite field Homer. But yeah, I'm just I think

885
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 6: he's the next guy in line behind Miller in left field.

886
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 6: I think there's a chance we see both of those

887
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 6: guys this year. JJ, probably closer to August September. But

888
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 6: it's an exciting time to have all these outfielders in

889
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 6: the runs organization. I know you mentioned there's no centerfielder

890
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 6: close to the majors, and that's definitely true. There's some

891
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 6: guys that gonna new conditioning with Connor, Scott and Meisner,

892
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 6: but there's some potential there and it's really exciting to

893
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 6: see the talent that they have at the at the

894
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 6: fish tank.

895
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 4: Just one thing really quick on JJ, I was dumbfounded

896
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 4: when I realized that out of all the players on

897
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 4: the Marlins roster, this spring that played in more than

898
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 4: fifteen spring training games. He had the third highest OPS.

899
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 4: So he was really fantastic this spring. And Marlon's fans

900
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 4: have been for a few years now have been saying,

901
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 4: when's our prospect going to come up that's going to tear,

902
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 4: you know, light the world on fire the way that

903
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: like some of these Acunas and Tattooses and you know

904
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 4: these guys are doing now where they just come in

905
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: and they hit right away. I think Bladet has the

906
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 4: best chance to be that guy because he looks so

907
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 4: polished at the plate, his abs are so good, he

908
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 4: puts the bat on the ball, he hits it hard.

909
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 4: You know, he did it in college. He did a

910
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 4: best against the best competition in the SEC. And his

911
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 4: stats in his little minor league action that we saw,

912
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 4: you know, the year he got drafted, they weren't amazing,

913
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: but they were good, and he started getting really hot.

914
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 4: Towards the end of the year. He started hitting the

915
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 4: ball a lot better. And then we have none of

916
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 4: us know, have any idea of what he did at

917
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 4: the alternate training site except what we've heard from March

918
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 4: from the Marlins brass which is that they're super high

919
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 4: on him and they were super impressed with him. So

920
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see him in minor league game

921
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 4: action this year because I think that you're looking at

922
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: a guy that's gonna start hitting, and yeah, Ian, I

923
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 4: think he's got a good shot to be in the

924
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 4: big You know, a lot of people are saying that

925
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 4: we're going to see him this year and his spring

926
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 4: train I wasn't sure before spring training, but his spring

927
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 4: training to me said the kid could make an appearance

928
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 4: this year for sure, And even.

929
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 6: Speaking on his twenty nineteen numbers being not even being

930
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 6: not the best numbers on the planet. What first round,

931
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 6: what first round picks, whatever, doesn't matter that year of

932
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 6: picks getting sent in a high a off the rip,

933
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 6: it just doesn't happen. He got thrown to the fire

934
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 6: from the jump and he showed up. The approach, like

935
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 6: you mentioned, is just as good as it can get

936
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 6: at that level, and it's just gonna be fun to

937
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 6: watch him develop. It's a really fun set of tools

938
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 6: for Bluday.

939
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: I'm wondering when you guys think we might see Bladay,

940
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: because from my perspective, he was more or less ready

941
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: for the major leagues out of the box. And the draft.

942
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 2: Like we've seen Andrew Vaughn, he's already in the majors

943
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: from that same class. I thought that Bludey had a

944
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: similar level of polish coming out, maybe not quite as

945
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 2: much pure hit tool upside as Vaughn, But like Ian said,

946
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 2: the approach is just so outstanding that I just really

947
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: never felt like there was a ton for him to

948
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: work on the Marlins. They already have kind of this

949
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: rotation at the corners and the majors where they're shuffling

950
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: guys around and there's not really enough starts as it is,

951
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 2: and we're only a week into the season, but some

952
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: of those guys are struggling. I'd be looking at Blu

953
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: Day for June personally if that doesn't turn around. Is

954
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: that Do you think that's a reasonable timeline?

955
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 6: I mean, I think so. I think if he was

956
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 6: in a different system right now, he'd be in the majors,

957
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 6: Like say, if he was in the White Sox system,

958
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 6: or if he was in Baltimore. There's a chance he'd

959
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 6: be in the majors right now with as advanced as

960
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 6: he is, if they don't go a different route where

961
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 6: they start to use more guys, if they don't try

962
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 6: to run starts for Branson or run starts for Harrison.

963
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 6: I think we could see Blue Day as early as

964
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 6: you and are alive, because there's not much more he

965
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 6: needs to prove, even in a little time we've seen

966
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 6: him at the ats.

967
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 5: Or in the minors.

968
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 4: Well, I think it all kind of depends on what

969
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 4: you were talking about, Spencer, which his performance. Right, So

970
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 4: first of all, the Marlins have this log jam with

971
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 4: these four guys, you know, Dickerson, Duvall, Aguilar and Cooper, right,

972
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 4: and it's all about finding you know which in the

973
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 4: lineup every day.

974
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 5: Let's say they move on from one of them.

975
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 4: Now that opens the spot for Bladay to come into

976
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 4: that mix, but that wouldn't happen until they know one

977
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 4: hundred percent that Bladet is ready to go. I'm sure

978
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 4: they want to see him in some triple A. Actually,

979
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 4: you know, I think double A is where he'll probably start.

980
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 4: I think they want to see him in double A

981
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 4: action before they say, you know, let's bring this guy

982
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: up to the majors. So, you know, let's say they

983
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 4: move on from one of those guys he jumps right in.

984
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 4: Let's say Dickerson and Duval you know, Dickerson looks better yesterday,

985
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 4: but let's say he kind of struggles or Duval.

986
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 5: Continues to struggle. The Marlins said.

987
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 4: This year, you know in spring training that they're trying

988
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 4: to win ball games. They're not They're done giving guys opportunities.

989
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 4: They're not at that stage of their rebuild anymore. They're

990
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 4: going to put the team on the field that's going

991
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 4: to give them the best chance to win ball games.

992
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 4: And I feel like if they think that Bladet gives

993
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 4: them a better chance to win and score runs and

994
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 4: create offensive production than what we've been seeing so far,

995
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 4: which has been not a lot of offensive production, then

996
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 4: he's a guy that he's the first first name that

997
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 4: certainly fans are going to be calling for because of

998
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 4: who he is in the system and with his ability

999
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 4: to hit the ball in the way we saw him

1000
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 4: hitting in spring training this year. Yeah, I think that

1001
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: he's right there. He's right on the cusp of a

1002
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 4: guy that you're going to say, you know, when we

1003
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 4: need somebody. If do all continue to struggle and Dickerson

1004
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 4: continues to struggle and they move on from one of

1005
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 4: Bagular and Cooper, whatever the case may be, He's the

1006
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 4: first call that you would give, So June might be

1007
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 4: a little early.

1008
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 5: I you know, I would be.

1009
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: I'm one to kind of I didn't think he would

1010
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: be up this year at all until I saw him

1011
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 4: in spring training. So I'm going to kind of be

1012
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 4: cautiously optimistic and say towards the back half of the season.

1013
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 4: But if he's lighting the world on fire in Double

1014
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 4: A and the Marlins are struggling on offense and they

1015
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 4: need a Joel, I see no reason that they couldn't

1016
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 4: call him up in June.

1017
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: My bodily specific prediction is going to be August third

1018
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: is when they call him up. It reminds me a

1019
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: little bit of Isan Diaz a couple of years prior,

1020
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: where he was letting the world on fire and Triple A.

1021
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a greater caliber of prospect, more

1022
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: complete prospect, i'd say, than Isan. But they waited as

1023
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: long as possible to trade Starling Castro and open up

1024
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: that spot and base, and they got pretty close to

1025
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: the deadline and they got no takers on them, and

1026
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: then they just said, well, fuck it, Let's move Starlin

1027
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: a third base and bring up Esan to play every

1028
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: day at seconds. And I think it will just be

1029
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: the same thing relative to these other veteran outfielders that

1030
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: they have, just because of all this depth that they

1031
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: have that it may go down to the trade deadline.

1032
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: Hopefully the team is more competitive than it is then

1033
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: than it was in twenty nineteen, and it's maybe they

1034
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: won't necessarily be looking to trade away all the veterans

1035
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: ahead of him on the depth chart, but I think

1036
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: they'll use all that time to evaluate what they have

1037
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: in those vets and how much value they have before

1038
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: moving on, and then I think just within days of

1039
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: that trade deadline passing, I think that's when they call

1040
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: up to Day and kind of insert him into an

1041
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: everyday role. I can understand the case for him being

1042
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: up earlier. Again, the comparison to Isan might be unfair

1043
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: toiple a Day because he is just a more well

1044
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: rounded prospect at this point, more polished one. But when

1045
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: you look at examples of other really top tier prospects

1046
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: in recent years around the league, that teams are more

1047
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: aggressive with bringing them up quickly as soon as they

1048
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: don't necessarily care about the feelings of those veteran players,

1049
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: and they will bring him up when they think they're ready.

1050
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: The Marlins potentially. They've been saying that they want to

1051
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: be a team that operates like that in putting the

1052
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: best possible players on the field when they're totally ready.

1053
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: So there's a scenario where he's up earlier. I think

1054
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: it's a surefire inevitability that he'll be in the majors

1055
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 1: at some point this year, but I would guess early

1056
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: August is my best guess with Bladey. The reason why

1057
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: I didn't mention him introducing all these the fish tank

1058
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: guys is because I need a double check with the team.

1059
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's at the fish tank right now.

1060
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: They may be putting him through minor league spring training

1061
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: and an indication that he'll probably start the year at

1062
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: Double A instead of at Triple A. I'll go back

1063
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: and double check that. But I didn't see him on

1064
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: the roster at the fish Tink at the moment, So

1065
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: that's why he didn't come up before.

1066
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 6: I was me jumping the gun there a little bit

1067
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 6: and kind of talk about him.

1068
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: Well, I think we all wanted to talk about him,

1069
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: So that's a good call by you. He'll I'm sure

1070
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: he'll be like I said, he's going to make the

1071
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: Major se at some point this year, and that will

1072
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: surely involve some time up at Jacksonville on his way there.

1073
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: For this very moment, though, I think this is an

1074
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: indication that for at least the first half of the season,

1075
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: I think they are going to make sure to give

1076
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: him a lot of reps in the minors before pulling

1077
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: the trigger and starting the clock on him, because once

1078
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: he comes up, he's probably not going to be going

1079
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: back down at any rate.

1080
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, I think the double going

1081
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: with him at Double A actually does make sense. It's counterintuitive,

1082
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: but generally there are better prospects at the Double A

1083
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: level than the Triple A level, a little less polished,

1084
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: but more talented.

1085
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 5: Especially pitching, h especially pitching.

1086
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: And I think I think I would assume they plan

1087
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: to call him up directly from Double A or a

1088
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: very short stay in Triple A in between, So I

1089
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: think that's sensible. And I also think the thinking of

1090
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: him coming up after the trade deadline makes a lot

1091
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 2: of sense. I know that Cooper is a guy who

1092
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: we've heard has had some trade interest on the market,

1093
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 2: like back in spring, maybe, you know, we get closer

1094
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 2: to that point in the season, the Marlins most likely

1095
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 2: won't be in playoff contention, and there could be some

1096
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: callers on him to open up that spot. So I

1097
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 2: think that makes sense.

1098
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 6: I think the Marlins are in an absolutely perfect position

1099
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 6: with the day right now, don't They don't have to

1100
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 6: force their hand in any way, whether it's playing them

1101
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 6: earlier or playing them late. Really, he's gonna play. They're

1102
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 6: gonna play him when he's ready, like we're all saying.

1103
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 6: But I think they're they're feelings as comfortable as they

1104
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 6: can be with the day right now where he is.

1105
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: We're here on earning their stripes. Checking in with Ethan

1106
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: Padowski and Spencer Morris and Ian Smith covered a lot

1107
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: of these upper miners in Major league guys, and I

1108
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: want to go back to Ethan because he's part to

1109
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: back to Ian because he's putting together part of this

1110
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: Prospects Live Marlins list that's coming out later this month.

1111
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: We've touched on a lot of individual players, but I'm

1112
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 1: curious if there's anybody in particular. I'm not sure how

1113
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: far along you guys are with finalizing the list, but

1114
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 1: players that may appear on that pl list that don't

1115
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: appear on other Marlin's top prospect lists, Guys that you

1116
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: think may be overlooked by some other evaluators, either for

1117
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 1: recent changes that they've made or just really inexperienced guys

1118
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen in the affiliated miners left miners

1119
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: yet because of the canceled minor league season. Are there

1120
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: any big time sleepers that jump out to you that

1121
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: people should be putting more respect to.

1122
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 6: I will let me give me one second here. I

1123
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 6: will go back and go through other lists, but I

1124
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 6: know I can't give you an exact number on how

1125
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 6: deep this list is, but there's definit guys in the

1126
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 6: bottom half. And there was a guy who's not that

1127
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 6: low guy who I really wanted to talk about on

1128
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 6: this podcast was Van Fitter. He's gonna be in the

1129
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 6: lower taff on a lot of people's list, but the

1130
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 6: kid is nasty. He's got some of it. He's got

1131
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 6: probably the best four pitch mitch four pitch mix for

1132
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 6: his age in the system. He throws everything with pace

1133
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 6: and with high spin. He has a good feel for

1134
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 6: a change up already, and probably the best place he

1135
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 6: can be for a change up right now, as you

1136
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 6: mentioned earlier. But he's a guy who's lower on lists

1137
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 6: because we haven't seen so much of him. We didn't

1138
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 6: see him much of him going into the draft. He

1139
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 6: didn't played a lot of showcases going into his drafting year.

1140
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 6: He played in the area codes, but other than that,

1141
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 6: he wasn't really everywhere. So he's a guy who really

1142
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 6: has been just kind of skating under the radar. We're

1143
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 6: going to see him a lot in Jupiter this year.

1144
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 6: I think he's going to make a bunch of starts,

1145
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 6: probably twenty plus in Jupiter this season. He's very advanced

1146
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 6: for his age, and I think that's a guy who's

1147
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 6: really low on more lists than he should be, and

1148
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 6: I think he's going to blow up the system this year.

1149
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was shocked to see him at twenty eight list,

1150
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 4: really really surprised that he dropped so much because he

1151
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 4: was in the mid like teens to maybe high twenties,

1152
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 4: you know, when he was actually pitching, and so I

1153
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 4: was really shocked to see him drop all the way

1154
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 4: down there. But that's a guy, you know, high school

1155
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 4: guy that a lot of Marlins fans are really high on.

1156
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 5: So it's nice to hear, you know, some.

1157
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 4: Encouraging discussion about him because he's a guy that I

1158
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 4: think people might have forgotten about that could impress a

1159
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 4: lot of people when we finally see him in action

1160
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 4: this year.

1161
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: I also love Fitter. I've always been He's a guy

1162
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten a ton of opportunity to see like

1163
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 2: extensive video, like across a ton of different starts in

1164
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: time frames, but everything I have gotten a chance to see,

1165
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: he shows stuff. He also shows really outstanding feel beyond

1166
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: his years. He has a great breaking stuff and he

1167
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: also has great command of it that's beyond where of

1168
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: older pitchers even are. So I think there's definitely a

1169
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 2: strong possibility that he's a long term rotation piece.

1170
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to wrap up. The last subject we

1171
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: wanted to tackle is the draft coming up, where the

1172
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: Marlins are in an unusual position because they made the

1173
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: playoffs last year, so that dropped them all the way

1174
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: down to the middle of the first rounds. The slot

1175
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 1: value for that pick is what in the mid three

1176
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: million dollar range, which is quite a change of pace

1177
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: after spending six and a half million on Bladet close

1178
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: to seven million on Max Meyer. They'll be looking at

1179
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: a very different type of prospects with their first rounder

1180
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: this year. But this is why We're very happy to

1181
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: have Will Spencer and Ian On here because they probably

1182
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: paid just as much attention to the amateur draft as

1183
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: they do to the actual professional prospects, and they certainly

1184
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 1: have a better perspective than I do on what's coming

1185
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: down the pipe. Like with a lot of these evaluations,

1186
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: it's tricky because we barely got any data during the

1187
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty spring to judge it on, but of course

1188
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: over other showcases later on in the years, as we

1189
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: came back from COVID, and now we're about what halfway

1190
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: through the high school and at least the college season,

1191
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: we're pretty far along, and we've seen some movement in

1192
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: terms of how some of those players are being valued.

1193
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: With them, we'll go to Spencer first, just about some

1194
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: of these general characterizations you can make about this draft class.

1195
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: I think even casual fans they know about Lighter, and

1196
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: they know about Kumar Royer. They know that, and because

1197
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: I know that and I've been able to see them Fitch,

1198
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: we know that they're not going to fall to number sixteen.

1199
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: Though I wanted just more of a general breakdown about

1200
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: this draft class and which anything unique about this draft

1201
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: class compared to previous years, and for people that aren't aware,

1202
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: this is going to be a twenty round draft, which

1203
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: is much better than last year. Last year only five,

1204
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: but it's a big shift from previous format, which is

1205
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: forty rounds. So yeah, just some of your general introduction

1206
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: to what this class looks like and how teams are

1207
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: going to be approaching it.

1208
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I think for me, kind of the biggest

1209
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: storyline thus far since play kind of resumed at the

1210
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: amateur level is that the expected kind of top tier

1211
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 2: of college hitters has underperformed greatly. There are some college

1212
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: bats who have outperformed expectations and kind of moved up

1213
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 2: into those spots, but I think that the group of

1214
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 2: like first round caliber college bats has gotten smaller over

1215
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: the last few months. The story is kind of flipped

1216
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 2: as far as college pitching goes. I've been really impressed

1217
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: with a lot of different college pitchers that I've watched

1218
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: this year. I think that we're gonna there's this chance

1219
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: you could see like double digit college pitchers in the

1220
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 2: first round. I'm not gonna make a firm prediction on that,

1221
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: but just based on kind of my general research so far,

1222
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 2: that's kind of the gut feeling that I get. I

1223
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: think the strength of the draft overall is in the

1224
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 2: college pitching class, which is you know, that's kind of

1225
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: an interesting wrinkle considering how the Marlins used their draft

1226
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: picks last year. Where they drafted I believe it was

1227
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 2: four college pitchers out of five picks.

1228
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: Six Kyle Hurd at the end. It's no longer for

1229
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: the organization.

1230
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 6: But yeah, I'm glad you started with the college hitting underperforming.

1231
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 6: So far, it's really been just awful. Not awful to see,

1232
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 6: but it's been tough to see. There's guys that are

1233
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 6: really almost pushed themselves out of first round contention at

1234
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 6: this point for how bad they've started their season. You

1235
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 6: look at I mean, we're gonna start with the guy Ethan.

1236
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but don't tell me he fell all the

1237
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 5: way out of the first round. Don't tell me that.

1238
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: Come on this year, it's moving that way.

1239
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 6: Judd's having the worst start he could have had to

1240
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 6: the year. He he's hitting for power, He's driving the

1241
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 6: ball all apart obviously, but.

1242
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 4: I saw him Krusher Danger the other night. I was

1243
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 4: there against who do we play Family? Krusha danger well.

1244
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 6: On our bender that just like floated to him. But AnyWho,

1245
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 6: he's just he's not expanding, he's not he's not chasing balls.

1246
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 6: He's really just guessing at the plate. He's not going

1247
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 6: up to the plate with really any plan. And it's

1248
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 6: really showing right now. He's struck out I think in

1249
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 6: the thirty five percent range right now or something like that,

1250
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 6: and that's just not going to play at the next level.

1251
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 6: You don't see guys with that kind of high k

1252
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 6: rate get drafted high. It just doesn't happen. But he's

1253
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 6: a guy who's just the college hitting has just been bad.

1254
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 6: You can really look at three or four guys who

1255
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 6: might be the only bats drafted in the first round guarantee.

1256
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 6: You know, guys like Henry Davis and South Relic and

1257
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 6: maybe even Christian Franklin could be guys that might be

1258
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 6: surefire first rounders. But other than that, it's tough. College

1259
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 6: pitching is great. Kumar is starting to get a little scary.

1260
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 6: The last starts have been stressful. His velo has been

1261
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 6: down in the eighty nine to ninety one range, which

1262
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 6: is just not ideal for him. Slider is the best

1263
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 6: pitch in one of the best pitches in the draft.

1264
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 6: I might the lighter fastball is really creeping up there.

1265
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 5: On me though.

1266
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 6: But yeah, other than that, another strong spot in this

1267
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 6: year's draft is high school left handed pitching. There's a

1268
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 6: few guys that are in that fringe first first round

1269
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 6: CBA range. Josh Hartl, Anthony Solometo, Maddox runs is up

1270
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 6: to ninety eight from the left left side with command.

1271
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 6: So there's guys gauge jump. I wanted to mention here today,

1272
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 6: there's guys right now at the left handed side who

1273
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 6: can be first round names. But this draft overall is

1274
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 6: really leading itself out with the top tier talent at

1275
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 6: the top and the lower tier talent just middling in

1276
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 6: as well.

1277
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 4: I want to just ask one quick question to you

1278
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 4: guys on Judd, because he is a Gator and he

1279
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 4: is a guy that I've long wanted the Morelands to take.

1280
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 4: But could he be like kind of like Cam Meisner

1281
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 4: where he was you know, one of the best, some

1282
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 4: of the best too, was in the draft and then

1283
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 4: he just didn't really hit his final year in college

1284
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 4: and that caused him to fall in a team like

1285
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 4: the Marlins, you know, ends up with him in a

1286
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 4: in a CBA type situation. You know, is that what

1287
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 4: you're looking at with Judd here.

1288
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 2: I think that it's a little different situation. Ian might

1289
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 2: disagree with me on this, But for me, with Meisner,

1290
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 2: what I saw with him was in his draft year,

1291
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 2: he started out absolutely on fire, and it was looking

1292
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: like he was going to go in the top five

1293
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: or at the very least the top half of the

1294
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 2: first round, and then conference play came and he fell apart,

1295
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 2: and if you look at where the numbers ended up,

1296
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 2: you can see just how bad he was over that

1297
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: part of the season. But I didn't see the issues

1298
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 2: that I saw with him at the plate weren't as

1299
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: concerning with what I saw with Fabian so far this year.

1300
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: I think with Fabian you're looking at a guy who

1301
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: we're just not sure if he's ever going to hit

1302
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: off speed at all. With Meisner, I think there were

1303
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 2: some swing characteristics that could have been cleaned up, and

1304
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: the biggest issue was just that his timing was completely

1305
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 2: out of whack during that part of the year, and

1306
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 2: that's why I think teams looked at him and they

1307
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: saw issues they felt were fixable. I'm not sure that

1308
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 2: the feeling there's that much confidence with Judd right now.

1309
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 6: It's scary. Like you went into the season thinking Judd

1310
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 6: was going to be a surefire top five pick, and

1311
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 6: then he had a strong summer in the Florida League,

1312
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 6: faced good pitching, and then he came out this year

1313
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 6: and has just looked I wouldn't say flat, because he's

1314
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 6: still hitting the ball very hard on his x ndlos

1315
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 6: are through the roof, but his swing path is very troublesome.

1316
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 6: He's gonna have to really go through that and go

1317
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 6: through a long process of fixing that swing to really

1318
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 6: be impactful at the next level. So that's a guy,

1319
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 6: like you mentioned Spencer, who's really raising a lot of

1320
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 6: red flags right now for teams. And it sucks to

1321
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 6: say that because he's a guy big Gator fan myself,

1322
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 6: who just it sucks to see him going through these

1323
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 6: struggles right now. It's here, it's happening.

1324
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 4: Well, our whole our whole baseball team has looked flat

1325
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 4: so far, you know, coming off of consensus number one

1326
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 4: ranking and then they fallen out, falling down into the

1327
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 4: teens and the rankings right now. So yeah, it's not

1328
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 4: a surprise to me that Judd is, but it's definitely

1329
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 4: definitely a guy that you know, for me, as you know,

1330
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, I thought the Marlins were

1331
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 4: going to be picking top five, top ten this year,

1332
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 4: and so he was a guy that I've had on

1333
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 4: my radar for the Marlins since he was a freshman.

1334
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 4: When I went to watch him and I looked at

1335
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 4: this guy and I'm like, this guy's got to be

1336
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 4: a top MLB draft prospect, right, And then I looked

1337
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 4: at some lists for his year, and you know, he

1338
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 4: was the top five guys. So certainly a guy that

1339
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 4: you know, like a Meisner that if he falls, I

1340
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 4: don't mind the Marlins taking a flyer on because he's

1341
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 4: got tools. He's a really really good defensive center fielder,

1342
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 4: and I mean, you know, for me, it's it's like

1343
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 4: a heart pick there. But I certainly if he falls,

1344
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 4: like you know, a top five talent, and hypothetically, you know,

1345
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 4: at coming into this season falling for the Marlins, that

1346
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 4: could be somebody that, you know, with the outfield talent,

1347
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 4: he might want to just take a flyer on. But

1348
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,919
Speaker 4: I think the overall, you know, for me, I don't

1349
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 4: know too much about you know, individual prospects in the draft,

1350
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 4: but one position I want to ask you guys about

1351
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 4: because this is where I think the Marlins kind of

1352
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 4: need to attack and pick up an impact prospect in

1353
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 4: this draft is catcher because they don't have one in

1354
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 4: the system right now. You know, well, you're talking about

1355
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 4: World Banfold being the best catching prospect in the system,

1356
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 4: and he's fallen off radars with because he struggled in

1357
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 4: his last MLB a minor league action. So I just

1358
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 4: want to ask you guys about the catcher class because

1359
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 4: I think overall that should be what the Marlins are

1360
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 4: looking at most, to try and get an impact catcher

1361
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 4: into the system, just to give you another option because

1362
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 4: Alvaro's struggling.

1363
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 5: Wallick, we know what he is.

1364
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 4: He's a backup catcher in the MLB. And then you know,

1365
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 4: other than that, it's trade options and the Cubs wanted

1366
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 4: Verdick and the Marlins didn't want to give up Verdick

1367
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 4: for Contreras. So it's like, how do you find an

1368
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 4: impact catcher? And it's something that the Marlins really need.

1369
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 4: So for me, you know, looking at this from a

1370
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 4: Marlins perspective, you know, just a strategy perspective, you always

1371
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 4: want to, you know, add pitching because you can never

1372
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 4: have enough pitching and then I'm sure they'll add big

1373
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 4: power college bats like they have the last few years.

1374
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 4: But what do you guys see at catcher that could

1375
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 4: be impact? I think Spencer you said there's a good

1376
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 4: amount of catchers in this class.

1377
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wrote an article before any of the colleger

1378
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 2: prep anything had happened last year, taking kind of just

1379
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: like a broad view of this year's catcher class. For

1380
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: whatever reason, that tends to be where I start research

1381
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 2: a lot of the time on like a new year

1382
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 2: of players, and it's kind of interesting. There are a

1383
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 2: lot of catchers this year, but there are a lot

1384
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: of kind of different flavors that may or may not

1385
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 2: suit what the Marlins are looking for. I mean, at

1386
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 2: this point, Henry Davis, he's separated himself as the number

1387
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 2: one catcher in the class. He is mostly well rounded.

1388
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 2: Like the receiving still needs to improve a little bit,

1389
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 2: but I think more or less everybody has who as

1390
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 2: a long term catcher. He's hit the cover off the

1391
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 2: ball this year. He's got really nice power. The hit

1392
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: tool should be at least around average, so you're talking

1393
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 2: about I.

1394
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 6: Think he's almost a double digits deal the Ray this year.

1395
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 6: Which is crazy to me, but anyhay right.

1396
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he won a nice cherry on top there. He

1397
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 2: can run a little bit too, and he's he's just

1398
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 2: having an all around amazing season. I think he's tracking

1399
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 2: towards being a top ten pick. I wouldn't be shocked

1400
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 2: to see him go in the top five. Either way,

1401
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 2: I don't think the Marlins are going to get a

1402
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 2: chance at him. And then as far as college is concerned,

1403
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 2: the next guy that you would talk about would be

1404
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 2: del Castillo. But there's not nearly a solid of a

1405
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: consensus that he's a long term catcher, And personally, for me,

1406
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 2: I want to see him a little bit more before

1407
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 2: I make like a firm call, But my gut feeling

1408
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 2: is that he's not. I think the receiving is kind

1409
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 2: of so so at best, and the arm is not

1410
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 2: what I ideally wanted catcher. I think the bat can

1411
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 2: play at other positions, but if you're looking for a

1412
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: catcher first and foremost, I would probably look somewhere else

1413
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 2: in del Castillo. And then as far as I think,

1414
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about trying to get the Marlins

1415
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: a catcher in the near term somewhat, so I'm not

1416
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,759
Speaker 2: sure prep catcher in the first round accomplishes that because

1417
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 2: they have some of the longest development cycles of any

1418
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 2: kind of player and some of the highest bus rates

1419
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 2: as well. So if you're looking at a possibility for

1420
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: a guy who might be able to work himself into

1421
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: the mix at sixteen from the college class, Luca Tresh

1422
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 2: at NC State has really had an outstanding year as well.

1423
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 2: He's a guy with a nice there you go. He's

1424
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 2: been doing that a lot this year. He's got really

1425
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,520
Speaker 2: nice power, and everybody seems to really like his leadership

1426
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 2: behind the plate. His defensive skills are very solid. Another

1427
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 2: guy you should pretty safely stick a ketcher and could

1428
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 2: have some offensive impact as well. I haven't gotten to

1429
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: watch him as much as like Davis and Delta Scillo,

1430
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: but I've been very intrigued by what I've seen them.

1431
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think del Castillo is going to be a

1432
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 6: name who's going to be really loud for Marlins fans

1433
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 6: going into the drafts. But that's a name who I

1434
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 6: would rather not see them take at sixteen. I think

1435
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 6: the bad is legit. He doesn't hint for true power,

1436
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 6: and he's one not going to catch long term. I

1437
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 6: do not see that. He's his flexibility, he's just the

1438
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 6: arm is not is underwhelming. Like you just said, Spencer,

1439
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 6: it's really tough to see him as a catcher long term. Again,

1440
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 6: I see Henry Davis top seven pick overall. He's just

1441
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 6: that kind of dude. I picked him as my Golden

1442
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 6: Spikes preseason. He's really fun to watch. But at sixteen,

1443
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 6: I really don't see value on the board for Miami

1444
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 6: to go with the catcher prep catcher at sixteen. The

1445
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 6: only one I would really even think about would be

1446
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 6: would be Harry Ford, and that would be at a

1447
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 6: point to where maybe even move him out of catcher

1448
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 6: at that point.

1449
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: The bat is so good and you do love Harry

1450
01:10:59,360 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 2: Ford tho.

1451
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a freak man. It's probably one of the

1452
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 6: funnest players I've seen, or one of the best players

1453
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 6: I've seen this laste over the last year. He's just

1454
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 6: a freak. But yeah, I would love that bat at sixteen,

1455
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 6: but not as a catcher at thirty one, though a

1456
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 6: prep catcher could be an option somebody like Joe Mack.

1457
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 6: It's a West Coast bat is really loud, he can

1458
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 6: stick behind the plate, He's got a host for an arm,

1459
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 6: and if that's not a route, they could maybe wait

1460
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 6: till maybe the fourth or fifth round for a guy

1461
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 6: who I thought was going to be drafted last year,

1462
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 6: and Michael Rothenberg got a duke. It's a really Polish's

1463
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 6: gonna be a senior bat this year coming out of

1464
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 6: the ACC. He hits, he walks, he hits for power.

1465
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 6: He's going to be close to the major leagues. Closer

1466
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 6: to the major leagues, and a lot of these college

1467
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 6: bats are college catchers. Let's say a guy like Nathan

1468
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 6: Hickey who's going to get drafted, but he's not going

1469
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 6: to catch long term. Clark might get drafted, but he's

1470
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 6: also not a catcher long term. So it's tough to

1471
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 6: see that top tier talent at thirty one or at

1472
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 6: sixteen in the Marl Draft. A guy I really intrigued

1473
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 6: by in maybe round three, possibly round two, is a

1474
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 6: Florida commit, a kid out of Miami Renee Lastris. He's

1475
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 6: got a freakish arm talent behind the play. He hits

1476
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 6: from monster power. If you're not familiar with Ethan, you

1477
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 6: just take some gamers of some of his clips. It's

1478
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 6: really fun to watch. He's catching, he's catching Andy Paynter

1479
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 6: and earth Carter right now at his high school, so

1480
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 6: he's played at the top tier talent. He shows up

1481
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 6: at every event this summer. He's a really, really fun

1482
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 6: prospect who can be an impact bat or just an

1483
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 6: impact player on both sides of the ball. I think

1484
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 6: he can be available in that third round range. And

1485
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 6: he's the guy I'm really minor and actually Hector just

1486
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 6: mocked him in his recent piece from Fish Drives to

1487
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 6: the Marlins in the third round we talked about before,

1488
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 6: and he's a piece I really really like. So, yeah,

1489
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 6: that's a few guys I like at the catcher position

1490
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 6: who could be available.

1491
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 4: He said, you said Hickey's coming out this year. Sorry, Yeah,

1492
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 4: I believe.

1493
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 6: Hickey's a twenty one. Yeah, he's a He's a COVID.

1494
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 6: He's a COVID twenty one.

1495
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, he's he's a stud. He's a stud. His

1496
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 4: numbers this year are ridiculous.

1497
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 6: To the next level. But he's gonna be fun.

1498
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 2: Man.

1499
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw him. I went to the Gator game

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Speaker 4: the other night and I think he went foard for five.

1501
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 6: Like he's just a beast killing real quick.

1502
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 2: Before we move off, catcher, do you give hundred Goodman

1503
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 2: any real chance to catch in the pros, I did.

1504
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 6: I give him a little bit of chance to catch,

1505
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 6: but his bat is so scary. I was able to

1506
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 6: get a chance to look at his like his his

1507
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 6: underlying data, and he chases literally everything. So if he's

1508
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 6: not seeing a fastballs out in the middle, he's going

1509
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 6: to strike out a bunch. But I think Goodman can catch.

1510
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 6: He's gonna go in the second round rage, But that's

1511
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 6: a really risky bat for me to go that high.

1512
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's probably a guy who is gonna

1513
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 2: run into homers and not a lot an't. He's very

1514
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 2: explosive but kind.

1515
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 6: Of crushes the ball. It's stupid power. I think I'm

1516
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 6: seeing him in a couple of weeks at UCF. He's

1517
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 6: a he's a data I have online calendar, so he's

1518
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 6: a guy I'm really interested in. But he's just swinging

1519
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 6: miss too much and that just scares me. At the

1520
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 6: college level, these guys that like Kevin Parado is a

1521
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 6: true freshman hitting for four thirteen in the a SEC,

1522
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 6: So it's it's pretty crazy to see the catcher talent

1523
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 6: in the college right now.

1524
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, as was brought up a couple of times by

1525
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: Ian right here. Even if Marlins don't get they don't

1526
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: love all the options. At number sixteen, they do have

1527
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: that very first rounds in compounds a number thirty one overall, Yeah,

1528
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: and so it's an interest. And then after that in

1529
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: the second round at number fifty two. So yeah, it's

1530
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: a year where they did.

1531
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 6: Their first three picks. I mean, there's the top tier

1532
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 6: talent in this draft is gonna is there, like the

1533
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 6: names like Jack's probably gonna be one one. I mean,

1534
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 6: it's really hard to not see him be that right now.

1535
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,600
Speaker 6: But that middle tier talent is gonna be where the

1536
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 6: value comes. I think the college bats might really show

1537
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 6: up as the season finishes. There's a guy Alex Binellis

1538
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 6: is the guy who can really insert himself back into

1539
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 6: the top tier in the first round if he has

1540
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 6: two weeks of hot hitting. He started off awful, but

1541
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 6: the bat's really loud and you can play first and third.

1542
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 6: So that's another position where Miami can just luck into

1543
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 6: a college bat who's been polished for three years, has

1544
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 6: shut he start to start the year, but ends they're

1545
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 6: hot and can find themselves in the middle of the

1546
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 6: first round, and I mean can get really lucky there.

1547
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 2: I think that Benellas fits in with what you were

1548
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 2: saying earlier Ethan about Meiser. I think he goes more

1549
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 2: in that category, whereas he's had just kind of mechanical

1550
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 2: issues at the plate to start the year that should

1551
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 2: be fixed, and we've seen him with it all working

1552
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 2: in the past, So I have some faith that he's

1553
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 2: going to get back to where he was if the

1554
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: Marlins were to get a chance at him, especially like

1555
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 2: after sixteen.

1556
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 5: I'd be one.

1557
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 6: I'm signing that all day long.

1558
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be very interested in that.

1559
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 5: So who would you guys, who would be on your

1560
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 5: radar at sixteen?

1561
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think that the pick that Baseball

1562
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 2: America gave them makes a lot of sense. Just Sam

1563
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 2: Bachman out of Miami, Ohio, just because I think that

1564
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 2: you look at his profile, it kind of falls in

1565
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 2: line with some of the pictures that they took last year,

1566
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 2: particularly like Kyle Nicholas. Bagman's a much better prospect than

1567
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 2: Nicholas was to be clear, but I think he fits

1568
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 2: in the same kind of family of pictures that this

1569
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 2: Marlins regime seems to be looking for. He has three

1570
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 2: pitches that are all really really impressive. He's got a

1571
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 2: ton of power, He's an athletic guy. I don't think.

1572
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 2: I think the mechanics will work, and you're if you

1573
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 2: can just get his command rained in a little bit,

1574
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,560
Speaker 2: you could have a frontline starter day. And if not,

1575
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 2: then he's probably like an elite relief prospect or, like

1576
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 2: a more volatile middle, middle of the rotation arm who

1577
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 2: has some days where there's too many walks. Yeah, I

1578
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 2: think you know another I would love to if they

1579
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 2: had a chance to pick Jackson Job. That's another guy

1580
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 2: where like the talent is just off the charts you

1581
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 2: look at like the number the I remember reading a

1582
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 2: piece where dj He said that they really value like

1583
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 2: they want to get the best one to two punch

1584
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 2: in their pitchers that they can in terms of like

1585
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 2: the fastball, breaking ball, like just having as much octane

1586
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 2: as possible. I think if you're looking for a guy

1587
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 2: who exemplifies that in this class, Jackson Job is way

1588
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 2: up there. Three thousand RPMs on the breaking ball, a

1589
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 2: lot of velocity on the fastball. Another guy where you're

1590
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 2: not certain about the command yet, but you're getting so

1591
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 2: much to work with.

1592
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 6: Fair and to double down on that. Well, first we'll

1593
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 6: start with Sam Bachman. I know for a fact he's

1594
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 6: already got top ten grades on some team's boards. He's

1595
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 6: touched one oh one this year. The stuff is really, really,

1596
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 6: really good. He's playing in the MAC, so the conference

1597
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 6: isn't the best talent. The stuff, though, is really what

1598
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 6: you're looking at. The arm action is a bit wonky,

1599
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 6: so teams are going to really have to feel comfortable

1600
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 6: that they can draft that and be comfortable with him

1601
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 6: as a long term player. But if we're talking about

1602
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 6: top tier of ALAC with two pitches a guy who

1603
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 6: hasn't even started his high school season this year, I

1604
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 6: believe they start next week and that's Chase Petty. He's

1605
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 6: out of New Jersey, so this season starts like mid

1606
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 6: I think mid April, and he's throwing one hundred with

1607
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 6: a ninety nine hour slider at eighteen years old out

1608
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 6: of a side arms slot, which is absolutely impossible to

1609
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 6: pick up. He's really starting to pick up a lot

1610
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 6: of first I mean, his first round stuff is there.

1611
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 6: It's really loud, there's a lot of effort in his delivery.

1612
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 6: So the teams are going to really have to clean

1613
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 6: that up. But he's worked with a lot of top

1614
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 6: tier talent this offseason and really clean things up. And

1615
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 6: I think he's sitting ninety eight to one hundred right

1616
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 6: now at eighteen years old, with a little with in

1617
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,560
Speaker 6: a six foot sixty one frame. And you know, the

1618
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 6: Marlins are a team that are going to look past

1619
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 6: frame over stuff. When you're looking at Max Meyer six

1620
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 6: Toho Sanchez, they're looking at the stuff. They know they

1621
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 6: can work with this talent no matter how big they are.

1622
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 6: So that's a guy I think can earn first round

1623
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 6: type of praise if he as it comes out and

1624
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 6: has a really strong spring, which I think he's going to.

1625
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 6: This stuff is just really explosive.

1626
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 1: I was expecting to touch on the draft on this pot.

1627
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting to spend half of the pod on

1628
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: the draft, but this has, This has been terrific. I

1629
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: can't cut any of it out because every single you

1630
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 1: touched on so many different guys that I'm excited for

1631
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 1: key dates for people. I mean, the draft is still

1632
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 1: three months away. It's July eleventh to thirteenth, coinciding with

1633
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: the Major League All Star break, so I'm sure we'll

1634
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 1: be recording pods between now and then once these players

1635
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: are once we have a better handle on exactly who

1636
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: these players are, and even much before then. Minor league

1637
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: baseball season starts on May fourth, and we'll probably have

1638
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 1: another pod on that shortly before Minor league opening day,

1639
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: once we actually see which Marlins prospects are assigned to

1640
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: which affiliates. The bottom line though, is that at a

1641
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: time when the Marlins are off to a very slow

1642
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 1: start at the major league level, this stuff is going

1643
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: to be just as much a priority for us as

1644
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: it has been in previous years because it's such a

1645
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: big piece of sustaining this team being competitive, and the

1646
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 1: past few years it's been really encouraging to see how

1647
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: they've spent their resources on amateur players and doing clever

1648
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: trades in order to build this elite farm system in

1649
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: the first place. And now it's a very interesting hurdle

1650
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 1: that they faced trying to sustain that level of depth

1651
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: at different positions while still trying to find these great

1652
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: values at different spots. So yeah, excited to follow along

1653
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: with Eli Sussman, there has been Ethan Bodowski, Spencer Morris,

1654
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: Ian Smith read all their great stuff either on fish

1655
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: trips or elsewhere. Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun.

1656
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 1: And like I said, this is going to be where

1657
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: a lot of our attention is dedicated to this year.

1658
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 1: If the Marlins do slip out of contention as the

1659
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: year goes on, you're getting this wherever you can get

1660
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 1: the rest of your Fish Strips podcasts. And thanks again

1661
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: for listening tuning in with us. As always, go fish