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Speaker 4: All right, Rory, We're back for another episode of Rory
Speaker 4: mal Don't Know Ball.
Speaker 3: The one I was excited the most about. Yeah, this
Speaker 3: is a this is one.
Speaker 4: This is one of the guests that we was looking
Speaker 4: forward to, been wanting to talk on in for a
Speaker 4: while now.
Speaker 3: Been a big fan of this guy.
Speaker 4: So he's here to day to com and give us
Speaker 4: more of an insight on ball where we need it.
Speaker 3: We need all of our ballplayer buck this intro. I
Speaker 3: know we try to talk about sports on this Let's
Speaker 3: to the motherfucking mess we are you've been doing on
Speaker 3: the timeline the last forty eight hours. You start, you
Speaker 3: start in trouble man, usually trying to talk about sports. Nah,
Speaker 3: what's going on? Man? What's up with this?
Speaker 2: Ryan?
Speaker 3: Ryan Clark RG three thing?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: What's going on? Man? You're up there with one of
Speaker 3: my favorite tweeters of all time.
Speaker 5: Nah, I mean to be honest right, I'm not like
Speaker 5: a real uh like social media type of savvy dude
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 2: So I'll be noticing, like you'll see players in the
Speaker 2: media or not in the media, and like it's something
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 5: They can't wait to jump on it to get a
Speaker 5: reaction for people. The same dudes that like, they'll say
Speaker 5: something right and then they're looking.
Speaker 2: At the views and the likes every fifteen minutes.
Speaker 5: I never was like that. I always is organic. I
Speaker 5: see someone I don't like, I speak on it. So
Speaker 5: when I watch these two dudes, I'm like, yo, you
Speaker 5: got the same guy, you know what I mean. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: one dude is probably a little more cornier than the
Speaker 5: other one, but that's just say it's the same conversation.
Speaker 3: Like the same Can you give our listeners some backstory
Speaker 3: of what it is happening on the sun Line? So
Speaker 3: we said, I want to get right to it.
Speaker 4: So so Ryan Clark, he was being outspoken about the
Speaker 4: whole uh RG three take on the whole injuries Caitlin
Speaker 4: Clark situation. At a lot of people have turned it
Speaker 4: into something, you know, it's like racial and things of
Speaker 4: that nature. Uh So Ryan Clark had something to say
Speaker 4: to RG three and uh Lashawn had something to say
Speaker 4: to both of those gentlemen today, he tweeted. He didn't
Speaker 4: say no names, but he just kind of alluded to
Speaker 4: two guys that were having a back and forth.
Speaker 3: And just respect to all parties. But how did RG
Speaker 3: three and Ryan Clark start beefing about Angeury?
Speaker 5: So so so RG three is the type of dude
Speaker 5: anytime it's something going on, like, oh, I'm gonna jump
Speaker 5: on and try to get some views out of it.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people like that.
Speaker 4: Bro, Yah, y'all have that's that's that's that's that's that's
Speaker 4: the nature.
Speaker 3: Now, right.
Speaker 5: So I think a lot of times when dudes don't
Speaker 5: really have no real like legacy or story to really
Speaker 5: talk about or who they are, they run to.
Speaker 2: That type of stuff and some of it works. So
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at it anyway.
Speaker 5: He's making like, Okay, you know the Kaitlyn Clark and injuries. Now,
Speaker 5: everybody know it's some tension here obviously, right, And in
Speaker 5: all sports you need a racial component to blow up
Speaker 5: the sport, like, let's just be honest basketball, the.
Speaker 3: Same way Magic and Bird was kind of that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: come on, man, I mean Jackie Robinson I think was yeah, But.
Speaker 2: You look at like Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 5: I think she's a phenomenal player and and respectfully, I
Speaker 5: don't think that her and Auries are on the same
Speaker 5: level basketball wise, but injuries, he holds her own and
Speaker 5: she's good in her own, right. I just think that,
Speaker 5: like it is a race component, and and you look
Speaker 5: at the w n b A, like, there's bet there
Speaker 5: was better girls before Caitlyn Clark, and there was better
Speaker 5: girls before injuries. When you have two league girls in
Speaker 5: college and they have the race component, it makes everybody watch, you.
Speaker 2: Get what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So he spoke on that, and he made it by
Speaker 5: all this other stuff, and algually three gets crazy with it,
Speaker 5: like he always brings his white wife and all this extra.
Speaker 2: It's uncomfortable a little bit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And then Ryan, And the one thing that Ryan did
Speaker 5: do that I did respect is you know, he has
Speaker 5: a voice in the platform, so he likes to, you know,
Speaker 5: speak up for the black women, which a lot of
Speaker 5: people don't. So I respect that part right the wrong.
Speaker 5: I respect that we're gonna protect our women right because
Speaker 5: they want to make injuries like this angry black girl
Speaker 5: and all that. You know what that girl been through
Speaker 5: from Baltimore, so I respect it is like.
Speaker 3: She's not even angry, you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. That's that's the news they want to
Speaker 2: pay all.
Speaker 5: I think with the Ryan's like, yo, you bringing the
Speaker 5: dude's wife up in it, like what we're talking about,
Speaker 5: because because somebody else if you mentioned ain't wife, You're
Speaker 5: not gonna do that with them. Argier three is the
Speaker 5: kind of a kind of what he is, so you
Speaker 5: can really play that game with him. And also like
Speaker 5: like he always trying to look for a way to
Speaker 5: have attention. I remember way back in the day we
Speaker 5: had the NBA NFL lockout right, I mean, so we
Speaker 5: we ain't playing those sports until we get an agreement
Speaker 5: with the owners and the players.
Speaker 2: He gets a vited of him going to the Stellers
Speaker 2: facility and the doors is locked, Like what type of key?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 2: I just don't like this, so corder to me. I
Speaker 2: can't even really everybody's different.
Speaker 4: I can't really, you know, but I mean I understand, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, the well, I don't understand the the ajuries
Speaker 4: Kaitlyn Clark thing. I think that obviously to two women
Speaker 4: that came in together coming from college, they obviously elevated
Speaker 4: the sport as far as you know, the national attention
Speaker 4: when they were in college. Uh, Kaitlyn Clark phenomenal player,
Speaker 4: Angel Rees and Lsu did U was amazing, and now
Speaker 4: they kind of parlayed that over into the pro level.
Speaker 3: But you know, I don't think the last the last
Speaker 3: thing that.
Speaker 4: Happened between them, when Angel got a technical foul or
Speaker 4: Kaitlyn got a technical whatever it was, Kaitlyn Clark didn't
Speaker 4: even foul her that hard, Like she just she swiped
Speaker 4: down at the ball.
Speaker 3: They're trying to say she pushed it. She didn't push it.
Speaker 3: She swiped down. Now injuries pushed her teammate first, and
Speaker 3: Kaylyn Clark was telling Reugh like, Yo, you don't see that.
Speaker 4: And then the Angel would have had a wide open
Speaker 4: layup and Kaitlyn Clark just filed to swipe down at
Speaker 4: the ball and found it. Now it's turned into something like,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: It's a regular felt it was a regular, but also's
Speaker 3: response was a regular professional athlete lie as well, like
Speaker 3: everything was regular.
Speaker 5: My thing is like as an athlete, right, I can't
Speaker 5: tell y'all can't tell me. I can't tell her how
Speaker 5: you should feel somebody foul you certain way.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: The thing is, now, you know, I don't even rock
Speaker 2: with you like that. You don't you don't put you, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And it's like.
Speaker 5: Something like we got to look at women like they are.
Speaker 5: They are athletes too, So there's the NBA. It won't
Speaker 5: be no, it won't be no issue, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. So, and she felt like she hit her
Speaker 5: or found her a certain way. I can't tell her
Speaker 5: she's wrong for that, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 5: I don't know, I can't say that.
Speaker 3: So you think the white wife was the one behind
Speaker 3: all of this? I asked the question. Maul didn't, Uh,
Speaker 3: I just don't.
Speaker 5: Dudes just laughing, just looking at him like they both
Speaker 5: trying to fight, pretender. So it's like they're the saying, God,
Speaker 5: this one dude's a little bit more extra, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. I mean, I probably want to hit
Speaker 5: it like that want brought his white wife into it
Speaker 5: like that was a little too much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a little. But I think what Ryan
Speaker 4: was was trying to say is like, you know what
Speaker 4: he said it. He was like, you don't understand black
Speaker 4: women because you're married to a white woman.
Speaker 3: Something like that.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 5: I think he said, yeah, I disagree with that because Yo,
Speaker 5: you had a white baby mama.
Speaker 2: Like what, Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Three hard
Speaker 2: to get this.
Speaker 5: Another thing is these dudes don't really really come from culture,
Speaker 5: so like you're trying to get it so much that
Speaker 5: you just say anything.
Speaker 2: We're like, Yo, you got a white baby mom. It's
Speaker 2: the same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I just think that it's just
Speaker 4: all for clicks and you know you yeah, yeah, A
Speaker 4: lot a lot of that is definitely it's it's performative
Speaker 4: stuff just to get people riled up.
Speaker 3: But but I mean that happens to all of us
Speaker 3: in this space. We end up coming off hypocritical of times,
Speaker 3: because when we have that focus of like, let's try
Speaker 3: to get clicks or whatever, we contradict a bunch of
Speaker 3: shit that was already recorded. And everyone knows about us
Speaker 3: because Ryan Clark was Andrew Schultz the one that talked
Speaker 3: to Ryan Clark about the Hey, you've had women beater
Speaker 3: on your show a bunch of times. Why are you
Speaker 3: even getting in the mix on this like this happens.
Speaker 3: This is not natural or normal that we have to
Speaker 3: think of every thought every day to record and put
Speaker 3: out because we're gonna be caught in some type of
Speaker 3: hypocritical bullshit because we speak every fucking day. So I mean,
Speaker 3: I get it, but.
Speaker 2: I think if you but have you been organic and
Speaker 2: just honest to who you is? Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 2: we have that problem. And everything's one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: But like, yo, if I believe everything I'll say, and
Speaker 5: I'm doing everything from a genuine place, I don't think
Speaker 5: you can never be wrong.
Speaker 3: I'm speaking in general forgetting that the race of your
Speaker 3: baby mother is a little crazy. But I'm just speaking
Speaker 3: to job. How the fuck you forget you got a
Speaker 3: white baby, mam?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: That's the one thing that drives me crazy when dudes
Speaker 5: be doing this black pirate. I'm from our people, the culture,
Speaker 5: but then the whole time only they white girls.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, yeah, and it's not wrong with that,
Speaker 2: but just don't be don't do all that. Just be normal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just just fall back when it comes to that
Speaker 4: type of conversation, just fading into the background a little bit.
Speaker 5: You run around you like you Malcolm Mexic and all that,
Speaker 5: But then the whole time he's trying.
Speaker 2: To like cold on.
Speaker 3: Thank God, I don't touch white one. With that said,
Speaker 3: moving on to the next, I'm sorry, it's been a
Speaker 3: long day. Where are you at with this Joey badass daylight?
Speaker 3: Ray Vaughan? Have you been paying attention to battle at all?
Speaker 2: No? I like Joy badass, so I think he's talented.
Speaker 5: I don't get the whole Kendrick joint that was, like,
Speaker 5: I ain't really get all that, Like he's trying to
Speaker 5: come at Kendrick.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 3: Like why, Yeah, I mean yeah, he's shooting at what
Speaker 3: would be deemed the biggest rapper right now, especially after
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, Like you're not supposed to shoo at
Speaker 3: the best rapper. He's got to deal with the entire
Speaker 3: West Coast on his way there. But I think he's
Speaker 3: proved that Kendrick may need to come outside. He just
Speaker 3: ran through all his homies, Paul.
Speaker 2: Do you think i' let's get this straight. So a
Speaker 2: rapper don't have no real resident.
Speaker 5: And I like Joey though, so hear me out dope
Speaker 5: act in these Adope lyricis I like Rap? You know
Speaker 5: noways everything's mumbling and all catch you. I like Rap,
Speaker 5: So I like him. But like I'm just thinking, like
Speaker 5: if I'm Kendrick, what like there's something to gain from
Speaker 5: going against Jake Cole, going against Drake. The people look
Speaker 5: at them as my peers, like we were on the same level.
Speaker 2: Let me show y'all, well, like you gotta really earn that, right.
Speaker 5: It's just like, I don't know who you think the
Speaker 5: best NFL players, but like Patrickholmes at about the answer
Speaker 5: to every dude that could bring you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: But how this whole thing played out? Like where Kendrick
Speaker 3: after the Drake battle, it was all West Coast, West
Speaker 3: Coast looking we did, we had the greatest year ever.
Speaker 3: We're all unified. It's West Coast. Joey said one bar
Speaker 3: about the West Coast, and all of every last rapper
Speaker 3: in LA started replying to Joey and it became this
Speaker 3: West Coast unity shit and he ran through everybody. So
Speaker 3: Kendricks needs to defend his coast.
Speaker 2: No, he don't. Bro It's just like it's just like, Yo,
Speaker 2: how do I this hurt me out.
Speaker 5: How do I go from destroying Drake Drake we're talking
Speaker 5: about in the rap battle.
Speaker 2: Now you want me to go give you it?
Speaker 5: Just don't even you know what I mean. Now I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go get Joey. I just we could disagree.
Speaker 2: I just don't.
Speaker 3: I feel like if you smoked all my friends, I
Speaker 3: got to step in as the big homie and be like,
Speaker 3: all right, fine, I talk. But I think we're that
Speaker 3: right because he ran through everybody.
Speaker 4: Now, but LaShaun is saying is still though it's a
Speaker 4: certain who did he run through? There's certain tiers.
Speaker 3: There's like like if you were seen people from coast.
Speaker 4: If I'm on the first tier and you run through
Speaker 4: all of the guys on the third and fourth tiers,
Speaker 4: you can't start yelling my name, like.
Speaker 3: After you have the fucking Super Bowl parade party, everything
Speaker 3: of winning the entire twenty twenty four year, the West
Speaker 3: Coast is the greatest ship of all time, and one
Speaker 3: rapper runs through everybody that even said a name or
Speaker 3: word about him. Yeah, that that warrants some type of
Speaker 3: reverence to me.
Speaker 5: If you did a poll, right, I get two things
Speaker 5: that I'm done with it. If you did a poll
Speaker 5: I'm like, Yo, if you just ask, like, do people
Speaker 5: know Joey bads as a as like a rapper rapper
Speaker 5: or like the cat that's on Canaan. Most people you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So it's like if Kendrick I'm going,
Speaker 5: I'm everywhere, you can't like I'm everywhere, Bro, they don't
Speaker 5: even don't. It don't make sense. There's more to lose
Speaker 5: and game. And the second thing is I think like
Speaker 5: all the best rap battles, like like Hole was going
Speaker 5: at nas and giving real bars and songs.
Speaker 2: He gonna get Prodigy a bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like this thing about what I'm saying, like you ain't
Speaker 2: about to do all that.
Speaker 3: To do that, Yeah, but that's backward to that point.
Speaker 3: I feel like Hole, even if it was subliminally reply
Speaker 3: to literally everybody he was replying to P D. Crack,
Speaker 3: he was proud to.
Speaker 4: He's gonna respond, but it ain't gonna be like, it's
Speaker 4: not gonna be a song. It's not gonna be a
Speaker 4: song tailored specifically Joey, but it's gonna be some bars
Speaker 4: in there where he's gonna address. Yeah, I heard you
Speaker 4: calling my name, fam Like you know like he's not
Speaker 4: gonna dedicate a whole moment to Joey Badass, So he's
Speaker 4: not gonna.
Speaker 2: Do that, and mean like y'all you're doing your thing.
Speaker 2: You gotta gotta ya, ya got a good thing going on,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: And mass like a smaller pockast trying to call it.
Speaker 5: Let's like I ain't about to even think about it,
Speaker 5: like I'm gonna waste my time.
Speaker 2: The dress underneath us just don't even really add up.
Speaker 3: Some days you want to be petty though.
Speaker 4: Some days you want to be petty and address everybody
Speaker 4: though some days, but that's bad for business.
Speaker 3: You can't do that. You can't do that though that's bad.
Speaker 3: It's better for the community. Sometimes you have to humble
Speaker 3: people and let him know, like I see you get
Speaker 3: a little too big for your bridge, Like let me
Speaker 3: just put things in perspective for you. Yeah, and just
Speaker 3: give him half a bar. And then if he gave.
Speaker 2: Joey what he want right and he answered bad. Now
Speaker 2: every little or every guy is trying to get up there.
Speaker 2: What's gonna do that, you know what I'm saying. Every
Speaker 2: guy got my name.
Speaker 3: And yeah, no, you can't do that. But I think
Speaker 3: in the beginning when Joey was trying to do it,
Speaker 3: I was on the same side as you. I just
Speaker 3: think he's proven himself this week that's warranted a different
Speaker 3: type of notice, a little bit more of attention instead
Speaker 3: of any guy just saying Kendrick.
Speaker 2: Namegest in your mind right now? Who like today? Who
Speaker 2: the biggest artists?
Speaker 3: I still think the big three, Cole, Kendrick, and Drake
Speaker 3: are still the three biggest rap artists.
Speaker 5: Oh, we had a whole beef in the rat one
Speaker 5: one of the best I like j Cole.
Speaker 2: He tapped out. He said, this is not from me.
Speaker 2: I'm tapping Then the other one that's even the biggest
Speaker 2: one I took down. Would you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny. We had this conversation a few weeks
Speaker 3: ago when I asked Mare, I said to Kendrick put
Speaker 3: himself in a position that he never has to reply
Speaker 3: to anybody for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2: What it is?
Speaker 3: I think, But who else? There's never There's no superstars
Speaker 3: on the horizon, So I think this current moment is
Speaker 3: the only thing Kendrick would have to reply to. Nobody
Speaker 3: behind us right now that we can see as of
Speaker 3: this moment is a rap superstar. I feel like that's
Speaker 3: kind of dead and going right now.
Speaker 5: I mean, but more if he earns my respect, because
Speaker 5: it's some dude that I got respect, you know that
Speaker 5: you probably would answer to you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it would have to be a legend. And
Speaker 3: I don't think they're doing that either. Not a legends
Speaker 3: ain't coming outside. Yeah, they raising their kids and podcasting.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about let's talk about your transition. Obviously you've
Speaker 3: done you know, major things on the field. H. Two
Speaker 3: time super Bowl champion, All PROH. The list goes on,
Speaker 3: when did you know or when did you start thinking
Speaker 3: about your transition into TV?
Speaker 2: So when I came in the league, I was so like.
Speaker 5: I had like a chip on my shoulder, right, I
Speaker 5: feel like I wasn't drafted. I was putting drafted that,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So I always like driving
Speaker 5: to be the best, to be the best. So I
Speaker 5: start doing these different accolades, and I started getting a
Speaker 5: lot of contracts. So you know, you go for making
Speaker 5: I don't know, four hundred three, three hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 5: a week, right, and.
Speaker 2: You and you and you, you know, you you spending.
Speaker 5: You see how it's moving. And then they go from
Speaker 5: three hundred, four hundred grand to like, okay, one hundred grand.
Speaker 5: All right, okay, okay, all right. Now now we have
Speaker 5: eighty thousand a week. Now we had sixty.
Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa. So I started seeing that.
Speaker 5: Whole thing happen, you know, and then I didn't like
Speaker 5: how Maybe I don't know if it's ego whatever, but
Speaker 5: my roles was changing, and I'm like, yo, man, you
Speaker 5: got me playing behind this dude.
Speaker 2: I'm better than him because he's younger than me. I'm
Speaker 2: bading this dude. And that's not how the league works.
Speaker 2: The league is a young man's sport.
Speaker 5: Unless you win the championships, they're not really keeping the
Speaker 5: older dude. So I was like, okay, So I said, well,
Speaker 5: I got to do something else. So I always thought
Speaker 5: that I would do good on TV because I like
Speaker 5: the tallest, easy to.
Speaker 2: Me, you know what I mean. I can relate to
Speaker 2: a lot of different players, So I knew I would
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 5: And then it kind of got into the real estate game,
Speaker 5: probably like maybe like year nine. You know, it's buying
Speaker 5: up small little properties, fixing them up, you know, getting
Speaker 5: returns on them.
Speaker 2: And I started doing like little apartments, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I see how that was going.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, damn, if I could just go to
Speaker 5: all the seasons I like to hang out at and
Speaker 5: start owning apartments, I could hang out and I could
Speaker 5: be making money. So then I started doing like big
Speaker 5: developments like ground up, Like so right now, I just
Speaker 5: finished in my hometown, Harrisburg. It's like our Philadelphia seventeen
Speaker 5: dollars fifty unit apartments, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 5: that's like the new thing I'm doing the side. You know,
Speaker 5: now I don't have to work with like a million
Speaker 5: different tenants. It's it's all brand new, so nothing should
Speaker 5: really be breaking.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And everything is there. So
Speaker 2: and I was getting a lot of hasshes from like
Speaker 2: doing the smaller things. You know, people it's bro that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, they calling you.
Speaker 3: Everybody got playing new, real nice, everybody got a plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's how I got to that market.
Speaker 5: Did After that, I start doing the podcast me and
Speaker 5: my brother Deshaun Jackson, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 5: it's start getting bigger and better. So that's how I
Speaker 5: really transition you know, there's no real like me and
Speaker 5: you to tell you, yo, when you retire, this is
Speaker 5: what you do. That's why a lot of guys are
Speaker 5: because you're making a million off you know, yearly, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, and like you're playing a sport
Speaker 5: that stopperly your job. You love it, right, and then
Speaker 5: when you're done, there's nobody say, yo, this is what
Speaker 5: you do?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: So I just had a good supporting cast run and
Speaker 5: that's kind of got to where I'm at today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's got to be tough. Like the average
Speaker 3: person probably retires at sixty five, sixty six whatever. Professional athletes,
Speaker 3: some of y'all be retiring in twenty eight. Like life
Speaker 3: is short, but life is long as fuck. And now
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, everything I've known for the last
Speaker 3: twenty eight years is done. Where do I go from here?
Speaker 3: And money can drive quick. So I feel for a
Speaker 3: lot of professional athletes, especially NFL athletes, because y'all retire
Speaker 3: quicker than MLB NBA because it's more of a tough game.
Speaker 3: How do you feel that the politics are similar in
Speaker 3: NFL organizations and the TV world.
Speaker 5: The politics, So there's a lot of times when dudes
Speaker 5: man Davies. They'll get on TV and they'll change who
Speaker 5: they are just to make the bosses happy or to
Speaker 5: you know, continue to get paid because they got a family,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So it's this tricky situation like, Yo,
Speaker 5: you ain't being rare or I played with you.
Speaker 2: You ain't even act like that. But now I'm not
Speaker 2: a player, no moore, and I'm trying to remain employed
Speaker 2: getting my money.
Speaker 5: And I think also in football is like it ain't
Speaker 5: always the best player that plays, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like there's sometimes when you a coach, he'll keep a
Speaker 2: job for thirty years, and it's like, how does he
Speaker 2: not't that smart? He might his dad might a coach.
Speaker 2: He know that coach he hires you.
Speaker 5: Relationships everybody's buddy buddy, And I think sometimes you be
Speaker 5: so wrapped up in YO, the best pleasure players should
Speaker 5: win and play and the best TV person I should
Speaker 5: play or she should be on TV. It don't always
Speaker 5: happen like that, and I think the relationships is what
Speaker 5: really wins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you feel about sports debate culture?
Speaker 4: Like you see a lot of these shows that come
Speaker 4: out it's based around guys debate and it's something that
Speaker 4: we all do growing up in the barbershop. You know,
Speaker 4: whose favorite player, whose favorite team. Now that they've been
Speaker 4: able to kind of cough this lane in the sports
Speaker 4: television world where it's all debate based, how do you
Speaker 4: feel about the debate culture on TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's kind of dying down a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 5: I think the last real debates we had was like
Speaker 5: Skip and Shannon Sharp, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 5: I do like you because you know, nowadays, like the
Speaker 5: culture is now accepted in the corporate world, right, Like
Speaker 5: we talked about Kencher Lamar, kench Lamarr's on everything you listen,
Speaker 5: were rapping about they mean just going to college and
Speaker 5: everybody is white blacks.
Speaker 2: Everybody's being acceptible to it.
Speaker 5: So now when you get into these conversation on TV,
Speaker 5: sometimes it may come off like it is in the barbershop,
Speaker 5: but it's authentic. And I think the best thing about
Speaker 5: TV now is with these different platforms of like podcasts
Speaker 5: and all that is letting the people really see that, Okay,
Speaker 5: I don't want the corporate take, give me the real take,
Speaker 5: you know. And now it's like you're letting players really
Speaker 5: speak on it. Because back in the day, yo, you know,
Speaker 5: I chanced to interview Kyrie Irving about this and it
Speaker 5: was like, I'd rather give my real take and real
Speaker 5: feelings and thoughts to people that was in my seats,
Speaker 5: if it was football, bass, whatever it may be, but
Speaker 5: stuff that we both go understand, compared to going to
Speaker 5: the old media and letting them tell.
Speaker 2: My story because they didn't really know.
Speaker 5: You get what I'm saying that you gonna tell me
Speaker 5: what you think how it is and you never even
Speaker 5: really played, You never was in the locker. You never
Speaker 5: let a player deliver that message because yo, he might.
Speaker 2: Have a better way of explaining to the viewers, yeah,
Speaker 2: because he played, et cetera.
Speaker 3: That does that make I feel like the you know,
Speaker 3: the inception of first take when it was skip and
Speaker 3: steven A was damn at the height of your career.
Speaker 3: Did you did you tune in and like, did that
Speaker 3: ever affect your mental watching that in the morning before
Speaker 3: going to practice or before going to a game.
Speaker 2: Good question.
Speaker 5: So I always like I was type of dude because
Speaker 5: my dad was kind of tough on me. So I
Speaker 5: always liked, you know, hearing the good in the bad.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying some dudes loved to hear
Speaker 5: all the good I want to hear it.
Speaker 2: Oh oh you think I'm not like that? Okay, back
Speaker 2: and to give you something to feel the fire with.
Speaker 2: You know what? Sometimes though, I used to look at
Speaker 2: like certain people that would argue about me. So I
Speaker 2: give an example, like if some of ads you see
Speaker 2: on here, man, they.
Speaker 5: Ate four hundred pounds dog and like, and you telling
Speaker 5: me how Lebron ain't that good?
Speaker 2: Like that, I'm just looking like, yo, how can you?
Speaker 2: How can you say that? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So never really me. I remember my first lesson was
Speaker 2: I remember when I got in the locker room man,
Speaker 2: and this is we had.
Speaker 5: Brian Westbrook who was phenomenal. I was a rookie, and
Speaker 5: they was like, yo, like you're letting Westbrook go for
Speaker 5: LaShaun mccollay.
Speaker 2: Who who's this dude? Like he got a little one
Speaker 2: of the reporters. I had a little boy body, right,
Speaker 2: so he don't know where I'm from.
Speaker 5: I said, Yo, when I go in his locker room,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take the paper and I'm gonna let him
Speaker 5: have it, right, so I'm ready. It's like it's a clock.
Speaker 5: I can't wait to see the term of eight o'clock.
Speaker 5: The media come a locker room, I go, right, Toy,
Speaker 5: I've never seen him before. And then when I get
Speaker 5: to him, he got some thick ass glasses, big gas stomach.
Speaker 2: I said, Fam, I can't get mad at you. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. He don't know what a real
Speaker 2: looked like. That was my first lesson.
Speaker 5: It's like I never really let them dudes kind of
Speaker 5: like dictate who I am. But I think sometimes like
Speaker 5: little ex players or certain dudes that really study the game,
Speaker 5: we talk about me like like they give a Skip
Speaker 5: a hard time.
Speaker 2: This is what I will say about Skip everything.
Speaker 5: Skips say he believes it, like he gonna do a
Speaker 5: million research on He's gonna So you don't have to
Speaker 5: play sports to know it. But if you really dedicated
Speaker 5: you research it, you gonna know about it. So that's
Speaker 5: why somebody like him. I respect what you say because
Speaker 5: it might not be what I wanted to hear, but
Speaker 5: there's some truths to something he's saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, does that make sense you're studying and he's really
Speaker 2: researching it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Skip probably still think t Bow is better than
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson. I'm sure he's still down on that t bow.
Speaker 3: But we're just waiting for first ballance.
Speaker 2: Wins we got.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, have a talented quarterback debate
Speaker 5: with you, because that's not but somebody he wins, he
Speaker 5: finds he gonna.
Speaker 2: Believe that bullshit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely believe it. Did you keep that in
Speaker 3: mind like going into the podcast and TV, et cetera,
Speaker 3: to be a little bit more empathetic with athletes and
Speaker 3: maybe even if they having a down year or like
Speaker 3: a few games. Do you keep that in the back
Speaker 3: of your mind because you know what it feels like
Speaker 3: when somebody else is critiquing you when you're mid season.
Speaker 5: See now, I struggled with the TV and podcast because
Speaker 5: I was good on TV so early that they got
Speaker 5: me in spot, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And like I didn't have my road training. So when
Speaker 2: I see ain't that good? Motherfuck? Ain't that good? On you? Trash?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Because I'm a player, I
Speaker 2: didn't realized that I can't say how in the locker room?
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 5: And the hard thing with me was like I don't
Speaker 5: care what money you make because nobody care about that.
Speaker 5: How good are you so what I would say different things.
Speaker 5: I would have people's you know, cousin's family approached me
Speaker 5: and they will be like, yo, why hold up man,
Speaker 5: why your cousin will make your cousin good?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So I didn't learn how
Speaker 2: to say different things because sometimes like you could come
Speaker 2: off a certain way like I give you example.
Speaker 5: Oh so well, one of the chiefs, right, my last
Speaker 5: year was with them, and I played with a lot
Speaker 5: of They're good players. I played with a lot of them.
Speaker 2: I know them. And one of their teammates wasn't hold
Speaker 2: up his and it's a bargain, so on him out
Speaker 2: on the pod.
Speaker 5: And then one of my main man's like, yo, dang
Speaker 5: too far or shady, Yo, dang, get cutting some slack.
Speaker 2: Now. My job is to keep it as really as possible.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, my relationship with you was like you, my man,
Speaker 5: I don't want to so I say, look, man, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna try to be as fair.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So maybe one hundred percent opinion on this dude is
Speaker 5: that he ain't that good. Maybe I could say in
Speaker 5: a different light where I'm being more respectful. That's the
Speaker 5: word that's with more respect, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can deal with that too.
Speaker 4: And now I'm glad you went into that, because there
Speaker 4: is a there is a thing that you have to
Speaker 4: do when you're talking about either former teammates or colleagues
Speaker 4: and people that you have a real uh connection and
Speaker 4: relationship with. You don't want to be as or come
Speaker 4: across as harsh to guys that you know, you really
Speaker 4: kick it with on a real life in real life situations,
Speaker 4: as somebody that you're just.
Speaker 3: Watching the game. I never met this this kid yet,
Speaker 3: but you know, you got a lot.
Speaker 4: Of upside to him, so you might be a little
Speaker 4: harsh on him versus the guy that you was actually,
Speaker 4: you know, in the trenches with and he's still playing.
Speaker 4: You don't want to go at him because that's my
Speaker 4: man for real, like in real life. So it's kind
Speaker 4: of hard to keep it real. But you got to
Speaker 4: find a way to be objective, be honest, but you
Speaker 4: have to find that little gray area.
Speaker 3: Was like, that's my man. I ain't gonna go too.
Speaker 2: Odd on them. But see the thing is what I
Speaker 2: be telling you, I'm like, yo, like this is my job. Now,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean so.
Speaker 5: Like I had a problem with what I'm gonna say,
Speaker 5: a problem, but James Hard and his homies had an
Speaker 5: issue or something said, and I say, yo, man, like
Speaker 5: I know you don't know me, I don't know you.
Speaker 5: We know all the same people, so they'll tell you
Speaker 5: how I get Damn. It's like, Yo, if you play better,
Speaker 5: I'll talk about you better. Right, So we said yo,
Speaker 5: if you ask somethingout, James say, Yo, one of the
Speaker 5: greatest talents we've ever seen. But if we're talking about
Speaker 5: like today, yeah, I say, well, bro, it's documented every time.
Speaker 5: It's like a elimination game of game on line, like
Speaker 5: you just don't even deliver it.
Speaker 4: You disappear you yeah, right right, Yeah, what I'm saying, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you gotta be honest in that moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And they don't want to You can't keep disappearing
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. And don't think that we're not gonna
Speaker 4: say you can get right.
Speaker 3: In front of our playoffs. Yeah, and that's that's interesting.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you because we deal more in the
Speaker 3: music world, and we've been approached by artists even that
Speaker 3: are we consider associates or friends. Artists are sensitive like
Speaker 3: that just comes with the territory. Do you think athletes
Speaker 3: are just as sensitive? Oh my god, yeah, because we
Speaker 3: I mean we we again this don't know ball. We
Speaker 3: don't talk sports that much. We talk music, and we
Speaker 3: for the last ten years have had to deal with friends, associates,
Speaker 3: artists all the time being super sensitive. Well we weren't
Speaker 3: even being disrespectful, called anybody out their name. Art is
Speaker 3: meant to be critiqued, so we critiqued it.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: But I always kind of put that sensitivity just artist.
Speaker 3: I never even thought that athletes could be that sensitive
Speaker 3: based off.
Speaker 2: God, yeah, more sensitive.
Speaker 5: I think we have a longer, like we're successful longer.
Speaker 5: Let me bring it down, like, so.
Speaker 2: Most athletes, they've been good since they've been like five
Speaker 2: years old. Yeah, they've been their favorites, okay to get
Speaker 2: to high school.
Speaker 3: They night still the stars.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I like rappers and rappers and I know, like they
Speaker 5: may be rapping this somebody somehow, they somebody look out
Speaker 5: for him and then they get a chance, then.
Speaker 2: They blow ball players. They've been good forever though.
Speaker 3: I never thought of that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: It means something.
Speaker 5: We got egos, you know what I'm saying, so, like,
Speaker 5: everything is competitive in sports, so I think we are
Speaker 5: super sensitive.
Speaker 2: Like, bro, you should be because even.
Speaker 5: In rap I feel like like a player that's not
Speaker 5: that good in the NFL. You know, he used to
Speaker 5: be the man somewhere.
Speaker 2: He like to his city. He the man like you
Speaker 2: to tell go to his college.
Speaker 3: He was the ship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you get through the pros, it's like, yeah here
Speaker 5: the third string man. Wat we got egos. We stay
Speaker 5: sensitive even to.
Speaker 2: This day and the times were you know, I'll meet
Speaker 2: somebody or whatever and uh, they'll give me respect because
Speaker 2: of stuff I didn't feel, but it'd be real dry,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: You might have said something, Yeah, so I said, yo, man,
Speaker 6: I said we got an issue, like I finished or
Speaker 6: something like that, because I want to get off the
Speaker 6: way because most people.
Speaker 2: That rock me they like me. I got that type
Speaker 2: of person rocking me while we got what we got
Speaker 2: a problem about though.
Speaker 3: Right right, and back to that sensitivity and back to
Speaker 3: the debate pundit shows when you were playing, was it
Speaker 3: ever awkward in the locker room when one of your
Speaker 3: teammates got cooked on first take? And it's just the element,
Speaker 3: like the elephant in the room no one's saying ship,
Speaker 3: but everybody saw all their critiques and you already know
Speaker 3: he feeling a way. Is that a thing in the
Speaker 3: locker room? Do you'll talk about what's going on with Fox?
Speaker 2: No? No, we like people don't. They don't. They don't
Speaker 2: have no effect over the we had team, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's us against them.
Speaker 5: So yeah, you had a bad game, but you my man,
Speaker 5: you my brother, Like, I don't care what they say,
Speaker 5: but there's times when I've had one time where one
Speaker 5: of my teammates was you know, he got caught calling
Speaker 5: blacks niggas Braley Cooper remember that situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like awkward time. I was like, yo, like this
Speaker 2: is my man for real?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I heard what he said.
Speaker 2: I only believe that he made us mad. But it's
Speaker 2: like you did say that, like it's the league is
Speaker 2: full of black blacks. I mean, tho, this is we
Speaker 2: all everywhere? So that was real awkward. What was that?
Speaker 3: What was that conversation in the locker room?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So so what they did was they kept me
Speaker 2: away from all of us, so really couldn't like a laddie,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But then we had you know,
Speaker 2: Mike Vickers, everybody's og and Vic was like, he said,
Speaker 2: he had a team eating He said, look, man, what he.
Speaker 5: Did was wrong, and I ain't for that shit either,
Speaker 5: he said, but I've done a lot of things that
Speaker 5: I'm sorry for. You know what I'm saying that that
Speaker 5: I did that I really mean to dude. And he
Speaker 5: was like, you know, we all have done stuff or
Speaker 5: say things behind closed doors that ain't right.
Speaker 2: And when he kindly did all that because it's who
Speaker 2: he is and the respect that we gave him, we
Speaker 2: was like, well, shit, we gonna give him a pass,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, but it was awkward
Speaker 2: because now he get a pass. You had a block
Speaker 2: for him, m M.
Speaker 5: Or win in a game, right, and you know every
Speaker 5: game we played, everybody showing do something thirty twenty and
Speaker 5: it's like I get why they want to hurt him,
Speaker 5: but it's like, yo, this is our man.
Speaker 2: Yeah now that was real awkward.
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, yeah, that's tough. And that I got a
Speaker 3: block for you and you just said what you just said,
Speaker 3: It's like that was tough.
Speaker 5: That was you know, everyone played certain games and love
Speaker 5: you know, it's football thirty They punched it under pile
Speaker 5: grab nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean, and the like you know,
Speaker 2: they face man's trying to their eyes out. But I
Speaker 2: got to protect him because he's my man, right.
Speaker 3: And I do love to hear that about Michael Vick
Speaker 3: because he always got the rap that he was, especially
Speaker 3: in Philly, that he that he wasn't a good leader
Speaker 3: and he could Like that's great to even hear that
Speaker 3: Vic was taking on that type of role, Like what
Speaker 3: was his years like with Michael Vick? To me, is
Speaker 3: like a superhero, Like what was it like even being
Speaker 3: in the same locker room with y'all?
Speaker 5: Look, I got in the league at twenty years old.
Speaker 5: I was the youngest play in the league. So Mike Vicky,
Speaker 5: he did his little bit. He came he came home
Speaker 5: right the Eagles, and I remember he walking to the
Speaker 5: uh he.
Speaker 2: Walking into the to the facility whatever, and I'm said,
Speaker 2: I say, what's up, y'all? Straight and woker, what's up? Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's up? What's good? All right? And he walked on.
Speaker 2: You know, I would love to see that. I've ever
Speaker 2: just talked all my Homi. He's like, yo dog.
Speaker 3: I like, you can't say yo dog?
Speaker 2: But yeah, right right, well, yeah, Vic, Well he was special.
Speaker 2: He was like you know.
Speaker 5: The thing with Vic is he don't even understand how
Speaker 5: how big he is. He don't really see who we icon.
Speaker 5: We in the club you got air force in the
Speaker 5: in the head man were like, yo, you like you
Speaker 5: might you don't even get it.
Speaker 3: Super humble, like do you know who you are?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like like take them take them jeans off, put some.
Speaker 3: Real like yeah, yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Was super humble. Bro.
Speaker 5: One of the best teammates. He's one of the best.
Speaker 5: He's better person he is. This player, Bro is different.
Speaker 3: What was it What was that time like for you
Speaker 3: in Philly?
Speaker 4: Because I mean the city of Phi, Philadelphia to this day,
Speaker 4: you know they love you. Your time in Philly, what
Speaker 4: you did for the Eagles is legendary. What was it
Speaker 4: like that energy during your time in Philadelphia, Like just
Speaker 4: the fans, the city, the team, the organization.
Speaker 3: What was that time like for you?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Man, Philly was special. You don't really helped me grow
Speaker 5: to be like a man. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Like I was twenty years old. Man, that's such a
Speaker 5: big city. You don't know what they expect. The fans
Speaker 5: was great. Big sports always keep you keep you honest,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like I just got inducted
Speaker 5: to the Eagles Hall of Fame congression this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just saying, all the fans embrace me, man,
Speaker 2: just just love.
Speaker 5: And I feel like as a as like a that's
Speaker 5: the closest thing to having like a real family in NFLA.
Speaker 5: The NFL is always like in and out evolving door.
Speaker 5: Guys come in, guys come out. But the Eagles fan
Speaker 5: basing and and the ownership and all that, like they
Speaker 5: really make you feel like a real family. Like there's
Speaker 5: times where I talked to the owner all the time,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I'm hont at the players,
Speaker 5: like trying to get sa Quanta come to Philly, like
Speaker 5: I was trying to do that, trying to help out,
Speaker 5: and most teams don't really do that. They don't really
Speaker 5: even care, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So that was special man playing with the Shawn and
Speaker 2: Dream MacMan all them dudes. You know, we're still tight
Speaker 2: to this day. So I love my time in Philly,
Speaker 2: you know, and you know the fan base.
Speaker 3: So he got the head coaching at Delaware State, right, Yeah, Jackson,
Speaker 3: that love state for other reasons. Yeah, Classic. All right,
Speaker 3: where do you rank the Philly sports fan base across
Speaker 3: the board? Like I think, of course Oakland Raiders, you know,
Speaker 3: before they went to Vegas, that was always the stereotype.
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's a bigger group of animals
Speaker 3: than the Philadelphia Eagles fan base. I have friends that
Speaker 3: are Eagles fans. They're great people individually, but when they
Speaker 3: get together, they're the worst group of human beings I've
Speaker 3: ever seen in my life. You know, there's a riot
Speaker 3: police section at the Eagle Stadium that's only in Philly.
Speaker 3: That's not in any of the stadium There's.
Speaker 2: No right they had a jail in there.
Speaker 3: Yes, no, there's a jail in the stadium.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I would write Philly fans probably one one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's close. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: close to.
Speaker 2: They travel for bull crap, you know what I like?
Speaker 5: And I like them because you know why, if the
Speaker 5: team playing bad, they're gonna let you know, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like we're paying money to be watching
Speaker 5: these games, like and then.
Speaker 2: Let's you know that. And I love them for that
Speaker 2: because they honest you know what I'm saying, and ain't
Speaker 2: for the bull crack. Don't be coming up very much
Speaker 2: your little cowboys or just don't talk to ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah you might not leave with your your jersey on.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. What what was the music like in the
Speaker 4: locker room with y'all? Because I mean, you're talking about
Speaker 4: DeShawn Jackson obviously from the West coast, you being from
Speaker 4: from from p a, vic being from from Virginia.
Speaker 3: Like, what was the music like?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What was y'all listening to in the locker room?
Speaker 5: So my personality is like, I'm like, I'm cool with everybody,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, country boys, white boys, black
Speaker 5: dudes and everybody. So I was running the music for
Speaker 5: real and everything's up north from me. I was putting
Speaker 5: them boys on dip set on everything, and this gim
Speaker 5: was going crazy. Yeah, oblostly whole nas.
Speaker 2: Had I had that biggie, I had all that ship playing.
Speaker 2: But DJ you know what, he put me on nipseason.
Speaker 3: Okay, I married at first.
Speaker 2: I'll say, Yo, heren't really lyrical like I like, but
Speaker 2: he was good. He was teaching in his own way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember putting on He's put me on nipset
Speaker 5: this before he was all this. When he's telling the c's.
Speaker 3: Out the car or I remember that creall.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So Djack always had the West Coast sound. I remember
Speaker 5: when with him and meet Mans had a little loud
Speaker 5: rap a little battle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, bro, listen.
Speaker 5: About to come here and talk about this that she
Speaker 5: ain't gonna win.
Speaker 2: Don't bet because he gonna me gonna have I ain't
Speaker 2: know who's a little stupid with at the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I said, he gonna have somebody in there that
Speaker 5: can rap bat when we're gonna be mm And sure
Speaker 5: enough his ass lost.
Speaker 3: I told him that because you were in Philly, whin
Speaker 3: the meeking like game beef and that whole thing was happening,
Speaker 3: right yeh yeah, what's what's your relationship like with me?
Speaker 3: Since she was in Philly and obviously being a native
Speaker 3: of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: No, man, he was cool.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: We was the gamble hangout, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: party and all that. I just seen him at the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl, was hanging out. That's one thing about Philly.
Speaker 5: The all like the from the ball players, like the rappers,
Speaker 5: we all are like, we all are one.
Speaker 2: That's one thing I did like about Philly. Cool dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Now obviously the Eagles just won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: H this past season. It took one of our guys
Speaker 4: that we had, our beloved sae Quon Barkley, had to
Speaker 4: go down to Turnpike and turn it up down there
Speaker 4: in Philly.
Speaker 3: I'm happy for him, happy that.
Speaker 2: He got got a ring. That's real, that's real.
Speaker 3: Absolutely happy for Sequon. A giant fan. I hate y'all,
Speaker 3: but I was so happy for we get him so
Speaker 3: fucking dirty.
Speaker 4: Absolutely now and watching Saquon Barkley, what are some similarities
Speaker 4: you see in you and sa Quon? And what are
Speaker 4: some of the differences in the style between you and Saquon?
Speaker 2: You know what, A lot of people be kind of like,
Speaker 2: stay there.
Speaker 5: I don't want to see a lot of similarities because, uh,
Speaker 5: the games are different.
Speaker 2: Like so me and him, we have a golf event
Speaker 2: we do every year, bigger than me, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I think when people see him make moves all that,
Speaker 5: and they look at my moves like, yo, them guys
Speaker 5: are shifty, but like a lot bigger than I am,
Speaker 5: you know. And I guess the part you would say
Speaker 5: we are similar is like we was real nice and
Speaker 5: we can make dudes mess and make highlights. But I
Speaker 5: think I think we're really different. I think he got
Speaker 5: his own style and this style is obviously working. He's
Speaker 5: more I think he's more god gifted than I am.
Speaker 5: You know, I come at I don't know what six
Speaker 5: foot like two o seven. I ain't never really waits
Speaker 5: everybodys into that where he's a dude that like he's
Speaker 5: always been a lifter, it's always been working hard in
Speaker 5: the gym, like I ain't really I didn't really do
Speaker 5: none of that. And I think the way we played
Speaker 5: was good because we both was like it's closer and
Speaker 5: got busy.
Speaker 2: Well, we just different. I think our styles is abt different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean definitely the shiftingess once he got to
Speaker 3: the Giants, I think it it emulated you for sure.
Speaker 3: But because he's stocky, I don't I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3: But y'all definitely do have a same shift as far
Speaker 3: as how y'all move in between gaps and how y'all Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I see why people say it. Y'all just have different
Speaker 3: body types.
Speaker 2: And they're like man wo man talk like we laughed
Speaker 2: about it. You know what I'm saying. But one thing
Speaker 2: I do, I will say, but I know he had
Speaker 2: this from not knowing like I know him and we.
Speaker 5: Were talking, but it wasn't like when he came in
Speaker 5: Philly rocking really hot at him and really be around him.
Speaker 5: I didn't know he was that competitive, you know, like Washington,
Speaker 5: Penn State. He looked talented Washington, the giants like you know, hm, But.
Speaker 2: I don't know how competitive he was. I'm a real competitor,
Speaker 2: like I hate to lose.
Speaker 3: And listen, I'll tell you how competitive he is. He
Speaker 3: beat mall and karaoke. I was at to see that
Speaker 3: he's so competitive. He beat Mall in karaoke at a
Speaker 3: birthday party. That's a fact, real. Yeah no, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: he did not. He's so saying karaoke I didn't. It
Speaker 3: wasn't because it was a competition.
Speaker 2: It wasn't.
Speaker 3: He smoked everybody. I did not sing at all. He
Speaker 3: saw that karaoke mic and said, I'm smoking everybody in
Speaker 3: the mall.
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 3: He did his thing.
Speaker 5: To see him showing because we golf and like, I
Speaker 5: don't really golf like that, but I talk a lot
Speaker 5: of ship. So my team played his team, it's like
Speaker 5: his college team, my college team, and we played and
Speaker 5: week won, and you know I'm talking with ship, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean? Yeah, And I can see how
Speaker 5: I said, oh he cares.
Speaker 2: I was just to see though, because now if you
Speaker 2: care about little golf, you care about yeah, and he
Speaker 2: plays like that. So I'm like to see that.
Speaker 3: You went up to UH to Buffalo. So at minimum
Speaker 3: twice a season you saw Bill Belichick. I have to ask,
Speaker 3: you know, the question that's on everyone's minds football related.
Speaker 3: Did he always give sugar Daddy vipes?
Speaker 2: You know? No, you know what I want some Bill though,
Speaker 2: he been so angry and mad and trying to like
Speaker 2: when this thing is like now he now is he
Speaker 2: He's getting his ass beat and now he's like, all right,
Speaker 2: twenty four stuff is over. That be a enjoyed life
Speaker 2: money I got bad.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let me give me a little bad little twenty
Speaker 6: five Like you know, I'm gonna do yoga on the beach,
Speaker 6: come on, picking his shirt off and on, like.
Speaker 3: He was wearing hoodies that were cut off.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 3: I'm happy Bill, and finally gave build some style what
Speaker 3: it is. But yeah, he's just a.
Speaker 2: Never build up.
Speaker 5: I only rock a Bill like that because like you
Speaker 5: had Brady though, you know, how blessed that is that Brady? Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you win it and you're still not happy with Brady.
Speaker 5: Like what we're talking about teams with DoD to have Brady.
Speaker 4: That's a fact. Now speaking of Brady like he ain't
Speaker 4: nothing like what? Yeah, speaking of Brady? You you you
Speaker 4: played damn that, I'm thinking about it. You played with
Speaker 4: Michael Vick, You played with Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 2: Brady and Brady. Now with those and Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, god damn now with those, with those four quarterbacks?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: What are if you had him on the draft board
Speaker 3: right down in front of you, Vic Brady, no accolades, nothing, You.
Speaker 2: Just donald that he was nice?
Speaker 3: God? Oh yeah, I forgot he was at the end
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 2: Real quick, I know what you're about to ask, real quick.
Speaker 2: The last month did this. That's when Josh was the
Speaker 2: second year, so he won't even You don't even know
Speaker 2: who Josh Allen really was. I did I know how
Speaker 2: good he was? Yeah? He said he was mad, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, damn dog. Yeah, I called you twice.
Speaker 2: You texted me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he don't want to talk to you, said.
Speaker 2: He said, Yeah, man, I see I seen your quarterback list. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you talk about players being Yeah, in his second year,
Speaker 2: he won't even a star yet. He was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: you didn't have me as elite, dude.
Speaker 3: You had me over Brady didn't right, right, right, So
Speaker 3: you had me over Michael Vick, who had one thousand
Speaker 3: yards rushing.
Speaker 4: So in all of those quarterbacks you play with, who
Speaker 4: is the guy that if you just saw them play
Speaker 4: no accolade, just saw them on the field, working out,
Speaker 4: throwing the ball, who is the one you'd be like,
Speaker 4: I want to I want him to be my quarterback.
Speaker 3: I want to run for him.
Speaker 2: Hold on real quick, because like that's that's the questions. Like,
Speaker 2: so you're saying, if everybody's.
Speaker 3: Out heard the yard, just throwing the ball, run throwing,
Speaker 3: just running and throwing. I mean number one.
Speaker 2: But that's hard because like football ain't just that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now, okay, I'll answer.
Speaker 5: Your question that I'm gonna ask you. I'm gonna put
Speaker 5: it in this in a in a scenario where like
Speaker 5: it makes more sense for me. All right, So I
Speaker 5: probably would take Josh Allen on all them dudes. Really,
Speaker 5: if you just talk if your question is yo, if
Speaker 5: you in a park, yes, dogs and cats run around
Speaker 5: and we got a football field and you was just
Speaker 5: throwing the ball, running and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's no, but I have to get pushed
Speaker 3: back the way Patrick Mahomes has actually changed the quarterback
Speaker 3: position in the way he plays school yard ball in
Speaker 3: the highest level of the NFL. Different different if you
Speaker 3: just run around in a park. I don't know if
Speaker 3: anyone besides Pat Mahomes might be number one period in
Speaker 3: NFL history backyard football.
Speaker 2: So pack the best quarterback today for sure, and I
Speaker 2: think passed the best. Right. But when you're just talking.
Speaker 5: About that, you just said with a T shirt on
Speaker 5: and just throwing the ball around, running around, Josh Allen,
Speaker 5: if you raise Michael.
Speaker 2: Vick, Michael Vick will win. It's gonna be a close
Speaker 2: racing what people think.
Speaker 3: Okay, God damn okay.
Speaker 5: When they all stand next to each other, though, Job's
Speaker 5: gonna look way bigger than all these dudes.
Speaker 2: All Right, he'll run you over with you in his way.
Speaker 5: He might make you miss it. You in his way,
Speaker 5: he toughest nails. And then we're gonna tell who had
Speaker 5: the stroller's arm. Now, he probably got the stroller's arm
Speaker 5: probly out of him. And Pat, I remember when I
Speaker 5: when I was when I went to Kansity, was talking
Speaker 5: to Pat about just you know, quarterbacks and all that,
Speaker 5: and I'm an instagarious I might have brought it up
Speaker 5: to him and he was like, well, I'll probably never
Speaker 5: do like a throw off with Josh because it's iced
Speaker 5: to lose, lose because it's like, yo, I'm supposed to win,
Speaker 5: but Pat got a or Josh got a crazy arm,
Speaker 5: so he'll be close either.
Speaker 2: You cut it.
Speaker 5: Now, that's one part of it. Now we just said, yo,
Speaker 5: I'm in the on a football team, and the intelligence,
Speaker 5: the winning, all that stuff with quarterbacks do matters. Then
Speaker 5: the first dude off the table is Tom because he
Speaker 5: can't run a lick and he's burning Everybody's smarter than
Speaker 5: everybody knows the dude, and he's a competitor.
Speaker 2: That that mother right there.
Speaker 5: So I would go with Tom, and then I would
Speaker 5: probably go with past second, and then I would go
Speaker 5: Alan third, and then fourth would be uh prime, Vic.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: I would have thrown.
Speaker 4: Vic would have been up higher like on the list,
Speaker 4: because I mean just remember Michael Vick playing obviously a
Speaker 4: great runner, great athlete, but I think Vic's arm was
Speaker 4: really underrated for.
Speaker 3: A lot of years, a lot of years.
Speaker 4: I think Michael Vick as a passer was was very
Speaker 4: underrated because coming in it was like, you know, this guy,
Speaker 4: he breaks the pocket, but he can go and get
Speaker 4: you a first down, get you a touchdown. But then
Speaker 4: when he you know, when his later years, it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: I can't really just get out of this pocket and
Speaker 4: start running.
Speaker 2: I think it was better with the English I was saying.
Speaker 3: In Philly, I think he proved that point way more
Speaker 3: than he did in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Well he I mean he had he had to Shawn
Speaker 4: out there running every fucking going defense play like throw
Speaker 4: that s going to.
Speaker 5: Get because I always want to hear like people's it's
Speaker 5: not ball players. So so you you would, So you're
Speaker 5: telling me you would take Mike over Hu though you
Speaker 5: said you'll be.
Speaker 4: If I'm looking at that, if I had those four,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking I probably would either go Mike Vic or
Speaker 4: Pat Mahomes first.
Speaker 3: One of those two, I would go Pat, Mike Josh
Speaker 3: Allen Brady as far as in the park school yard
Speaker 3: football Park, Yeah, no, the all time.
Speaker 2: And Brady is sorry, I think the rank is on
Speaker 2: the football park on football.
Speaker 3: I mean Brady is first to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so so, oh, I'm sorry, that's my bed. Okay,
Speaker 5: so we say in the park, Yeah, okay, John should
Speaker 5: be first in the park.
Speaker 2: Then I'm going with Mahomes, then Vic than Brady. Okay,
Speaker 2: because Mahomes, like you said, Mahlmes be looking left. He
Speaker 2: would throw that thing right and be accurate. Yeah. And
Speaker 2: he's more lucive than what people think. They see his stomach,
Speaker 2: They see how I talked like he ain't patter athlete.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, he just the way he'd be doing
Speaker 3: the shovel passes for thirty yards is the crazy shit
Speaker 3: I've ever seen.
Speaker 5: Like that's and he's a competitor. I watched this time
Speaker 5: we had attacked. I won't even say his name, but
Speaker 5: he was really good. And every day of the week
Speaker 5: he kept checking on like, yo, is he gonna play?
Speaker 2: Is he gonna play? Every day?
Speaker 5: Well we get to the last day is Friday. If
Speaker 5: you really don't make the injury report, then you won't play.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Man, Pat walking down ship,
Speaker 5: he said, is he playing? They the doctors and the
Speaker 5: players started like mumbling like kind of you know, give
Speaker 5: me some jumbo, saying a lot, but not saying nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, he said.
Speaker 2: Fuck met him. Yeah, and he won as a running
Speaker 2: real quick TV don't show you that part though, right,
Speaker 2: ye dog?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, as as a running back, being with those
Speaker 3: legendary quarterbacks, do you think that was an advantage or
Speaker 3: disadvantage as far as maybe the defense was focused more
Speaker 3: on the past, so giving the the you was easier,
Speaker 3: or the fact that hey, we're just focusing on the
Speaker 3: passing game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I'll say this though, you know, I wasn't really
Speaker 5: blessed to play them dudes in my prime prime. So
Speaker 5: I played with uh, I played with Pat and Tom
Speaker 5: at the last two years of my career, right. And
Speaker 5: then when I played with Josh, he was a rookie
Speaker 5: so like he he.
Speaker 3: Was talented, but he wanted good still respect though.
Speaker 5: And then when I played with a Mike, I see
Speaker 5: the mic thing was weird because Mike was good, but
Speaker 5: like it should have ran through me because I was
Speaker 5: I was the one that was making all first team,
Speaker 5: all prosy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, showing they they weren't doing that. It was good,
Speaker 2: but they weren't doing that right, And we would throw
Speaker 2: the ball so much. Well, now you might get a
Speaker 2: pick or two or fumble or you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: me throwing it so much? If you look at how
Speaker 2: they used Lamar and.
Speaker 5: Jackson, they ran the ball a lot with Derrick Henry
Speaker 5: and they let Lamar run a little bit. But he
Speaker 5: ain't throwing it like thirty sometimes a game, right, we was,
Speaker 5: we was throwing the ball with Mike like like it
Speaker 5: was like it was payment or or you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. And it's not just to him, but it's
Speaker 5: like his game is he can throw the ball, but
Speaker 5: he can run too, Like why are we gonna make
Speaker 5: him do all that throwing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, did you see a difference with Andy
Speaker 3: Reid in Philly versus KC? Like what was the difference there?
Speaker 5: So so he didn't call plays in Philadelphia, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, He just looked over everything where he
Speaker 5: called plays in Kansas City. I remember saying, tell him
Speaker 5: like yo ah, these exciting plays you got why you
Speaker 5: ain't cost when I was there? So he didn't really
Speaker 5: call plays, yeah you know. But but then again, like
Speaker 5: Mike's skills set different from Pats, yeah you know, and
Speaker 5: then sometimes being honest, like.
Speaker 2: If Pats thrown it.
Speaker 5: Thirty eight forty times, like he might get a pick
Speaker 5: because he'll throw some picks too, Like like you got
Speaker 5: to be a certain type of talent to do all
Speaker 5: that unless you're throwing like bubble screens or you know,
Speaker 5: safe passes.
Speaker 2: Peyton Manny's and Tom they can do that shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Now, we just had the
Speaker 3: We just had the NFL Draft and.
Speaker 4: You know, obviously the talk of the night with Shador
Speaker 4: slide into the fifth round as somebody that's you know,
Speaker 4: obviously been in that position yourself, what was your thoughts
Speaker 4: in that moment, like as far as just being a player,
Speaker 4: Like going back to that moment of you being on
Speaker 4: the board and waiting to hear your name call, Like
Speaker 4: did you number one, did you think you do it
Speaker 4: would slide that that far down in the draft? And
Speaker 4: number two? Do you do you think it's more a
Speaker 4: political thing or maybe as a as a player. I'm
Speaker 4: just I'm asking the players, do you feel like you've
Speaker 4: seen something that should do where he's not quite ready
Speaker 4: or what y'all think he is yet?
Speaker 2: Yo, man, Like we could do this, but y'all know
Speaker 2: what's going on. Y'all know what's going That's when you
Speaker 2: asked a question that was yeah, that was crazy, bro.
Speaker 5: Then like, now you got a player on your team
Speaker 5: that you took in the third round, quarterback. Yeah, did
Speaker 5: everybody know you're not even good at your door in
Speaker 5: the fifth round? Like so, if let's say it was
Speaker 5: as good as your thought he was, and maybe he
Speaker 5: thought he's burning, what he is is dads, dion. So
Speaker 5: everybody also gonna fee like they better, you know, because
Speaker 5: that's what don and it starts in his kids, like
Speaker 5: you order ship, which is not wrong with that?
Speaker 2: Right? Well, y'all telling me a fifth round draft figure? Right?
Speaker 2: So check this out. So I've been playing ball a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 5: I've never heard a coach or franchise come out and say, well,
Speaker 5: we got a third round draft pick we drafted, we
Speaker 5: got a fifth round draft pick we got we got
Speaker 5: an old ast quarterback and Joe Flacco who's like forty,
Speaker 5: Ce's like oldest the older.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, it's on this call for the zone, right,
Speaker 2: and then you got a young quarterback that struggled in
Speaker 2: his career, but he made some splashes in Philadelphia, but
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh he wasn't that good. Okay, they said, you know,
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do.
Speaker 5: They told the whole world, is the whole you know,
Speaker 5: the media, that we're gonna split the rets from the
Speaker 5: first team and the second team.
Speaker 2: Now since I've been playing, it don't happen like that.
Speaker 5: The starter gets the number one reps, the back of
Speaker 5: gets the number two reps. The third and fifth round
Speaker 5: draft pick. That's in football, that's not that's nothing. That's
Speaker 5: like fifth round there, there's nothing. You know, you won't
Speaker 5: let the fifth rounder get some second team reps in
Speaker 5: the fifth in the first team reps, normally they go
Speaker 5: with the fourth string, third string. So they'll let you
Speaker 5: know that everybody in this room we got are Eagle
Speaker 5: for real, and that he could potentially start because he's
Speaker 5: a fifth rounder.
Speaker 2: He shouldn't even be taking no Number one reps. So
Speaker 2: y'all did all that bullshit with the draft.
Speaker 5: M h to have your fifth round draft pick now
Speaker 5: be taking number second teen reps and first team reps.
Speaker 2: They tell me how that makes sense?
Speaker 5: That what that was was, listen, got this young black
Speaker 5: kid who don't need the pros. That's calming down a
Speaker 5: little bit, a little.
Speaker 2: Bit too cocky.
Speaker 3: The ego check, Yeah, ego check.
Speaker 2: I didn't like that ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that. I thought that it was.
Speaker 4: It was crazy only because when you start looking around
Speaker 4: and look at all the analysts and where they had him,
Speaker 4: and look at all the mock drafts, like I think
Speaker 4: the lowest I saw it was like they had him
Speaker 4: like late first, early second. But now when you get
Speaker 4: to third, fourth, everybody's like, Okay, clearly this isn't you know,
Speaker 4: they going that coach prime.
Speaker 3: You know, they don't like it. As politics things like that.
Speaker 4: Even the president, even Donald Trump chim did on that
Speaker 4: and was like, like, people are just stupid.
Speaker 3: There's no way.
Speaker 4: His dad is a great player, DNA, he's a champion,
Speaker 4: he's a street smart and all these things. Donald Trump
Speaker 4: was saying. He was like, there's no way that you
Speaker 4: do is saying it should be a fifth round draft pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was crazy. Before we get out of here.
Speaker 3: Top five Philly Rappers of all time?
Speaker 2: Oh uh? Top five?
Speaker 3: Top five, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2: Damn. The hard part is because I'm a meek fan.
Speaker 2: I love meat though I guess too, but I got
Speaker 2: but see I love seagull. That's a tough one, yo,
Speaker 2: that's a tough one. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: with mm hmm h.
Speaker 3: Philly has a lot a lot of split out of
Speaker 3: rappers in Philly, I know.
Speaker 5: But I'm just talking about that. That that so I
Speaker 5: guess number one.
Speaker 2: I will go.
Speaker 5: Uh, I'm gonna go meet Meles, you know him and
Speaker 5: him See was a tough one though, ain't. That's a
Speaker 5: tough one for me.
Speaker 2: This for me, that's a tough one. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 5: Uh, I'm gonna go being second right, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go Cassie third, Okay, no matter that.
Speaker 2: I love cast. Like you're talking about battle rap, he's
Speaker 2: the first one throwing on you know. Hm, that's three four.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. It's gonna suck you up a little bit,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna go. Uh, I'm gonna e.
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at that at all. I'm not mad
Speaker 3: at that. I was just having a conversation. I'm not
Speaker 3: mad at that. Eve has my favorite voice of a
Speaker 3: female rapper. Just her voice, to me, is the best
Speaker 3: female rap voice her.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not go to New York, but yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go fifth on. I guess I'm buying because I
Speaker 5: like some of the people. I like, you know, you
Speaker 5: go free, but I'm gonna go Uh, I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: Young Chris.
Speaker 4: I'm not mad at that at all. Definitely not mad
Speaker 4: that makes sense to me. Definitely not mad at that.
Speaker 4: I love I love with him and Roder. Him and
Speaker 4: Roder put out they tape one of my favorite tapes.
Speaker 3: Chris, Chris, He's gonna bene, He's gonna He's gonna always
Speaker 3: be an elite, elite rapper.
Speaker 2: I love Young real quick because you're outsider. Was you
Speaker 2: had being me first over me?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Being's one of my favorite rappers ever. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Ship Yeah, the Becoming, the Reason, the Truth, like those albums,
Speaker 4: it's just.
Speaker 3: Like Time and two with my age, Like Beans was
Speaker 3: the one for me. But I mean I would even
Speaker 3: put on some like rap Nerdy Ship Black Thought has
Speaker 3: to be in that conversation, even close to like a number,
Speaker 3: like you could make a case that he would be
Speaker 3: the number one rapper, rapper, rapper from Philly told him
Speaker 3: just technically rapper. Yeah, but I mean I would put Beans.
Speaker 3: I put Beans one, Black Thought two, uh three, I
Speaker 3: would I probably put this is my personal ship Freeway
Speaker 3: Unique would be four Ship five. It's funny you said
Speaker 3: young Chris because that he's kind of like he's right there.
Speaker 3: He got me doubt I probably put Chris right there too.
Speaker 3: I'd actually, as far as rapping, I probably prefer Chris
Speaker 3: over Cassidy. But I feel like that's disrespectful because that
Speaker 3: I'm a hustler album. Like, it's kind of fucked up
Speaker 3: to not put Cassidy in the top five.
Speaker 2: And I like, like, like I like the bars.
Speaker 5: I'm a bar dude, but also like when you leave
Speaker 5: Philadelphia and you go to Houston or you go to wherever,
Speaker 5: like some people represent to see the right way, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean? Yeah, cast he was one of
Speaker 5: them dudes that Yo, my Philly should people want to know,
Speaker 5: you know, because stuff I done did so I think
Speaker 5: about all that, like the production.
Speaker 2: Party in the actual bars.
Speaker 3: You know, well, y'all are disrespectful because no one brought
Speaker 3: up Will Smith Listen, I love, I love say like,
Speaker 3: y'all disrespectful.
Speaker 2: You know. You know what I'm gonna tell you, Gilly
Speaker 2: this ship Gilly, Like, yo, why did I make that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Gilly definitely gonna be put no disrespect on Gilly's name
Speaker 3: because especially we're going back to my era with beans
Speaker 3: A like Gilly's mixtapes was our ship in high school.
Speaker 3: Gilly is definitely in that conversation. I wouldn't even be
Speaker 3: mad with the young Chris versus Gilly. Gilly is up there.
Speaker 3: I don't want to expect Gilly Gilly.
Speaker 4: I go really like, if you're going Gilly, I'm going
Speaker 4: Dutch in Spade like I go into that type of Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I go yeah, I go into that like y'all go
Speaker 4: old skiing O.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I go into like that type of Philly hell yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he Nets right now is going crack. He
Speaker 4: put out a freestyle every other week. He going crazy,
Speaker 4: but he don't have it's the music.
Speaker 3: He don't have the songs. Yeah, they're just not going.
Speaker 3: But he Nets for sure is up there. He deserves no, definitely,
Speaker 3: that's still he's still rapping. He's still going crazy. I
Speaker 3: mean they never really raped Philly like that. But corrupt
Speaker 3: and left eye, I feel like need to be somewhat.
Speaker 4: In a corrupt Never he'll never say Philly now he
Speaker 4: do every now and then. Yeah, Yeah he let people know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he let people know.
Speaker 3: He for Philly for sure, but left eye think needs
Speaker 3: to be in that conversation as well, even though she
Speaker 3: landed with TLC.
Speaker 4: Ship but she did Philly. Yeah, absolutely shady. Before we
Speaker 4: let you go, what is your prediction this year for.
Speaker 3: The Super Bowl? Who's taking it all? The ship?
Speaker 2: The Eagles?
Speaker 3: Well next year, well let.
Speaker 2: It by y'all man from New York, saquon back at
Speaker 2: it you.
Speaker 3: Then they gonna do it again, go back to back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they team that same team.
Speaker 4: Man, case gonna be I think CAC gonna be right there,
Speaker 4: Buffalo gonna be right there again.
Speaker 2: I think either case buffal that play. But the Eagle
Speaker 2: team too good? Bro?
Speaker 3: What what's wrong in Buffalo? Like, what's going on? Why
Speaker 3: has Buffalo not made it there?
Speaker 2: Let me tell you why?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 2: You play the Jugger Knouts every year? Yeah? If they?
Speaker 5: If the Bills play in the NFC, they at the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl every year like the Chiefs. It's hard to
Speaker 5: be Patrins and Andy Reid. Andy read the best coaching
Speaker 5: football of all time?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yes, you gotta go out. Well, but you
Speaker 3: got him over Bill.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now look now you can't say that.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you.
Speaker 5: Let me bring Now that's some good football for y'all right, okay,
Speaker 5: So like people be conditioned, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Like I don't care how great any player does, nobody
Speaker 5: would be buried at MJ.
Speaker 2: That's how people look at it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: This is what it is.
Speaker 5: Belichick got that same thing. When Belichick didn't have Brady,
Speaker 5: he was trash.
Speaker 2: Hm. People people only act like he's only coach for
Speaker 2: the Patriots. That's not true. He had other coaching jobs.
Speaker 3: Wait, no, no, no, no, I'm giving pushed back because
Speaker 3: he was a defensive coordinator in Cleveland. He was with
Speaker 3: the Giants and some other random assistant he when Bledsoe
Speaker 3: went down. Let's not act like the Patriots was ass
Speaker 3: like Belichick was there for what two years a year
Speaker 3: in three games before Brady was there and took a
Speaker 3: back up and did that. Like, let's not and always
Speaker 3: had never had good personnel until Randy Moore showed up.
Speaker 2: Tell what this want to do for you?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Like you give a pushback. I like that. I tell
Speaker 2: my son that I like I like that. Don't use
Speaker 2: some homework. Some homework. Right when we leave this interview, right,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get your info. We're gonna talk again.
Speaker 5: So he was the head coach before he got to
Speaker 5: the Patriots. That's some horwor for you to look at.
Speaker 5: And if you look at at homework, he wasn't a winner.
Speaker 2: He was a loser there. Okay.
Speaker 5: Then you when you get to the Patriots right before
Speaker 5: you had Tom Brady, and after you had Tom.
Speaker 2: Brady, right, you're not even five hundred winning.
Speaker 5: Coach that team, and last name, soon Brady leaves, right,
Speaker 5: you limp your way to the playoffs, you get smoked
Speaker 5: by thirty five points to a team you played twice
Speaker 5: a year, and then after that you like one of
Speaker 5: the worst teams in football. So with Andy Reid, no
Speaker 5: matter where you dropping at, no matter where whose quarterback is,
Speaker 5: he always gonna be a good coach.
Speaker 2: We always gonna win. Before he got to the Chiefs,
Speaker 2: they won three games, bro same motherfucking team. Same team.
Speaker 2: Then the next year they go to the playoffs. And
Speaker 2: now the Chiefs is what they are. The Eagles. Before
Speaker 2: he got to the Eagles, they was trash. First year
Speaker 2: he went five and five five and he went five
Speaker 2: games five eleven, Then year after that eleven and five playoffs, playoffs, playoffs.
Speaker 2: I just hate when we compare them dudes, and the
Speaker 2: last season broke last night. So you know, Bill, dude,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Right, Andy Reid's the officive quarterback type of dude, so
Speaker 5: I can develop players. I think Patrome was phenomenal. I
Speaker 5: personally don't think that pat would be that without aim.
Speaker 5: I think he'll be really really good. I don't think
Speaker 5: he'd be that everywhere. Any and he goes to quarterback
Speaker 5: is gonna be good.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is what it is.
Speaker 2: I can't say the same for Bill. What Bill gets
Speaker 2: credit for Tom and he a quarterback and you a
Speaker 2: defensive coach.
Speaker 3: Okay, after deflay Gate? How many how many games was
Speaker 3: Brady suspended? They went undefeated? Yeah, and then me and
Speaker 3: Homie's career who went to the forty nine ers?
Speaker 2: What's his name? Trash? What about no?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 2: And Bill?
Speaker 3: He went undefeated with Bill after deflay Gate when Brady
Speaker 3: got suspended.
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, you're talking about a couple of games.
Speaker 2: I'll give you that.
Speaker 3: I can't say, and I'm not saying it's comparable to
Speaker 3: what Andy Reid has done. It as in regards with
Speaker 3: other quarterbacks, but you can't discredit that Brady was really
Speaker 3: a nobody at that time. You say that though, yo,
Speaker 3: I know what he did in Michigan. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 3: They gets credited him.
Speaker 5: Were talking about the pros everywhere. Time where he goes,
Speaker 5: he wins. The dude left, the dude leaves.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I'm saying when Bledson went down,
Speaker 3: Bill was dealing with nobody as a quarterback, had no
Speaker 3: experience in the NFL and no real personnel.
Speaker 2: But that's not true.
Speaker 3: Bill and Brady have made Edelman a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3: Like every little fucking wide receiver. They have made that
Speaker 3: way hot.
Speaker 2: But that's my question of people like that.
Speaker 5: They say that, how does Bill get credit for them
Speaker 5: type of receivers. He's like d he's on DEFENSI side,
Speaker 5: don't have no.
Speaker 2: Do the offense.
Speaker 3: That come on, you think Bill Belisha has nothing to
Speaker 3: do with the offense, nothing in You think he don't
Speaker 3: show up on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. He'd just be at
Speaker 3: home with his twenty four year oirlfriend.
Speaker 5: And like he's not putting no plays in, he's not installing,
Speaker 5: he's not like he's not coaching the offense. But Andy
Speaker 5: ree ain't going over coaching the defense.
Speaker 3: He's the coach the GM. I'm not I don't think
Speaker 3: he's the best drafter, but look what he's done. He's
Speaker 3: taking a bunch of kids from Rutgers and made them
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. DB's like, that's a coach. He put
Speaker 3: the best offensive coordinators that ended up being the Notre
Speaker 3: Dame head coach. Like he has made stars out of coaches.
Speaker 3: Mike Rabel, like he has made stars coordinators.
Speaker 2: They be trashed for offense.
Speaker 3: Then why are their dynasty?
Speaker 5: Let me tell you they coaching Tom Brady. Dog, that's
Speaker 5: the truth. The coordinators, he gets right. They comeing with
Speaker 5: the Patriots, they winning all these games and all this
Speaker 5: shit stone they leave the Patriots and they leave Tom
Speaker 5: Brady the quarterback.
Speaker 2: They go to all these different places and be trash,
Speaker 2: you know they do. Then they come back to Tom
Speaker 2: and he saved them. Tom left the Patriot and won
Speaker 2: a championship with the Bucks.
Speaker 3: Ye same roster that was like, that was like the Aauver.
Speaker 3: That Bucks team was insane. What are we talking about?
Speaker 3: I was on running game to three receivers. Let's act
Speaker 3: like that Bucks team. Gronk came back. What are we
Speaker 3: talking about? He's an All Star team but see you
Speaker 3: say that.
Speaker 2: You say that, but it's like this, the elite players
Speaker 2: versus eleaite players. So none is is really easy, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: The NFL, of course it's really easy.
Speaker 5: So what I'm saying is the common factor we have
Speaker 5: here is that every time number twelve goes somewhere, they're going.
Speaker 2: To be winning. And then and then when he leaves,
Speaker 2: the Patriots ain't never looked that bad fact.
Speaker 3: And I know, I think Tom Brady is the greatest
Speaker 3: quarterback of all time. I don't even think it's fucking close.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying we cannot discredit Bill Belichick and everything
Speaker 3: he did with the rosters that he had. The Patriots
Speaker 3: were never a superstar team ever. I mean even the
Speaker 3: running backs. If you go through the Patriots running backs
Speaker 3: for the last twenty years, those guys would have never
Speaker 3: been damn near Super Bowl MVPs without the system that
Speaker 3: was running in the Patriots.
Speaker 2: This is why I'll get what you keep doing, you
Speaker 2: keep giving.
Speaker 5: So Bill's thing is defense, but he's one of the
Speaker 5: they say he's one of the most greatest masterminds on defense.
Speaker 2: Right, So if that's what he is, why do you
Speaker 2: keep giving him credit for offense.
Speaker 3: He's the head coach, so if they fail, it's he
Speaker 3: gets the credit. But if they win, he doesn't.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, how do you get the credit? Nobody?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the head coach. You think you think
Speaker 3: he's legitimately not looking through any of that, like he's
Speaker 3: just been like, yo, whatever y'all want to do.
Speaker 5: No, I mean, obviously hit a coach, But what I'm
Speaker 5: saying is like, he ain't in that MOE for like, yo,
Speaker 5: let's go over to his office of game plan to try.
Speaker 2: That's not what he does.
Speaker 3: Something he do most coaches threw him off. I just
Speaker 3: cannot see him not he he ain't doing.
Speaker 2: These crazy iodic defensive shit. He that's not what they do.
Speaker 5: Get an office, come to the defense coach, you get
Speaker 5: the head coach. I see everything, but I ain't really
Speaker 5: so real quick before you leave, because you keep saying
Speaker 5: that personal and the team was not that good.
Speaker 2: Look at the fucking defense that the Pitchers had with
Speaker 2: Tom Brady and Andrew Blutson, because I don't think you know.
Speaker 3: Because they no Teddy Bruski. Teddy Brusky was crazy. Rabel
Speaker 3: was there at that time. I mean obviously you get
Speaker 3: to the high towers and all that kind of players.
Speaker 2: They were good to get the real good players.
Speaker 3: Rodney Harrison was struggling in Sandy. Ain't going until he
Speaker 3: came to the Patriots. He was having he was having
Speaker 3: a hard time going.
Speaker 2: Keep going, that's crazy to keep going.
Speaker 3: Who was who was the free safety next to Ronnie Harrison?
Speaker 3: He was nice?
Speaker 2: My lord that went to the Bills.
Speaker 3: He was nice, he was he was Yeah, but again
Speaker 3: he's always been nicey, No, you sabot lawyer malloy. Yeah
Speaker 3: he was a linebacker, yeah, Lawyer malloy. Willie McGinnis was
Speaker 3: struggling with the Patriots until until Bill got there. They
Speaker 3: was in a bad organization. I'm sorry. You think I'm
Speaker 3: all right? No, no, no, let's let's get into it.
Speaker 3: You think Pete Carroll was bringing Willie McGinnis to the
Speaker 3: Promised Land.
Speaker 2: I think Willie was a really good player.
Speaker 3: No, WILLI is a Hall of Famer, he's but he
Speaker 3: had a shy system, really, isn't. You had Ryan Seymour,
Speaker 3: You had ty law Samuel first of all, all right,
Speaker 3: Sante Samuel, who was a Sante Samuel before the Patriots
Speaker 3: and got that contract with y'all.
Speaker 2: Bro, he was a beast.
Speaker 5: He's a rookie and beat one of the dudes out.
Speaker 5: He's been good his whole life, his whole life and prob.
Speaker 3: But that he wasn't some lottery pick that the Patriots got.
Speaker 3: There was already a damn near dynasty when they got
Speaker 3: at Samuel. The system was perfect for him. You acting
Speaker 3: like sam was a number one pick. What I'm saying
Speaker 3: he was a baller. I don't care what he's he was.
Speaker 3: He should be in the Hall of Fame. I'm saying
Speaker 3: the system with the Patriots with Bill and what he
Speaker 3: did gave him even the value to what got to.
Speaker 2: The balled out with the patris and ball with the Eagles.
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick made Tyrone Poole a potential Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about, TYROLO? I love Tyrol Pool,
Speaker 3: but yo, yo, you see this crect.
Speaker 5: Everybody's so fool You'll be surprised. A lot of the
Speaker 5: Patriots players saying about him, like all that bullshit.
Speaker 2: Tom bradys Will made that thing go. Bro, that's a
Speaker 2: simple I.
Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, yeah, I'm arguing because it's fun right now.
Speaker 3: Of course, know you and Locker rooms. You know ship
Speaker 3: way more than I Like you said last name real quick.
Speaker 5: You know like all thirteen teams, right, you telling me
Speaker 5: if Tom Brady went to the bad teams, so you
Speaker 5: got the average teams and the bad teams, do you
Speaker 5: think that he makes them teams better?
Speaker 3: I think if he went to the forty nine ers
Speaker 3: with one hundred and ninety eighth pick instead of the
Speaker 3: hundred and nine ninth pick, we're looking at something different.
Speaker 3: I think it was a perfect storm, a shit that
Speaker 3: happens in the universe with two people coming together. Tom
Speaker 3: was gonna be Tom no matter way he lands. No
Speaker 3: opportunity is something that happens. Like let's say Bledsoe. Bledsoe,
Speaker 3: they had just read up his contract. He was going
Speaker 3: to be the franchise player. If he doesn't go down,
Speaker 3: Bledsoe still stays right there. We're not acting like they're
Speaker 3: putting two hundred million into Drew Bledsoe after he did
Speaker 3: take them to the Super Bowl lost against Brett Favre.
Speaker 3: At that point, they're gonna let Tom Brady beat him out.
Speaker 3: In practice, you think Robert Kraft is allowing that. Yo,
Speaker 3: he allowed Hernandez to mark people and he still was
Speaker 3: like yo, I'll show up the court.
Speaker 2: They gave Tom Brady hunter mean deal or they gave
Speaker 2: Buss poyman out deal and Tom beat him out. He's better.
Speaker 2: He's better, bro, He's That's what happened.
Speaker 3: Tom beat out. Who Bloods went down? Let's went down?
Speaker 3: Came back for the Pittsburgh AFC Championship for like one quarter,
Speaker 3: bloodso balled out, But it was clear that Tom Brady
Speaker 3: was the one. If Bledsoe doesn't go down, that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: But I mean, that's football. We can't I don't know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: They're not allowing as good as Brady could be at
Speaker 3: practice that franchise. In politics, what did you say? What
Speaker 3: did you say earlier? I'm gonna do a callback. You said,
Speaker 3: sometimes the best player doesn't play. It's politics. You give
Speaker 3: Bloodsoe this much money, He has the smile, he's tall,
Speaker 3: he's marketable. You think they're investing all that money to
Speaker 3: let some kid from Michigan beat him out. No, that's
Speaker 3: not happening. He went down, and he took the moment
Speaker 3: and became the greatest quarterback of all time. If he
Speaker 3: goes to the forty nine ers, I don't know if
Speaker 3: that same opportunity is happening.
Speaker 5: Oh so so you're saying, oh oh you said, okay,
Speaker 5: get curted for that. So you say, like, Bill made
Speaker 5: it happen for him, give him chance to play.
Speaker 3: It was a perfect storm and energy of both of
Speaker 3: those people and that opportunity and yeah, an amazing coach
Speaker 3: and the potential greatest quarterback of all time and that
Speaker 3: moment happening. That's some real universe, Like you have to
Speaker 3: go in the moon and stars to figure out how
Speaker 3: that whole shit happened. I'm dead ass.
Speaker 5: But the thing with Tom is like the time that
Speaker 5: you know, everywhere he's been a he's a really really
Speaker 5: good He's been a winner.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Michigan, he's a winner.
Speaker 2: Everything I know about Tom is that he's been a winner.
Speaker 2: He's been really really good as a quarterback. That's what
Speaker 2: y'all know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what I'm telling you is that we can't say
Speaker 5: the same for Belichick. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: No, he's seventy five or the twenty four yard girlfriend,
Speaker 3: that's a winner to me.
Speaker 2: So look, look, look, he gott to do his homework.
Speaker 2: I got a rod. It's a homework.
Speaker 3: Man, thank you bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate y'all. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Love no