Speaker 1: What's up this lip service? I mean, I'm reading McGuire.
Speaker 1: I'm worry. Ow I'll tell you what. Where are you
Speaker 1: right now in the world. I'm in Lagos, Nigeria. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're jealous. Yeah, we're stock. I'm stuck with my son.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find a way to get out. But
Speaker 1: it is nice to be home. Your son is were
Speaker 1: five now? Yeah? Yeah, he just turned five two weeks ago. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's actually a blessing in disguise because you know,
Speaker 1: being an artist, I'm always on the road and I
Speaker 1: usually sometimes missed some special moments. So being with him
Speaker 1: for the past four months m has just been overwhelmingly incredible.
Speaker 1: We had the blessing to see you perform and made
Speaker 1: in America. Yeah, it was all good, like four years
Speaker 1: or something like that? Was like three years, right, three
Speaker 1: years ago? Oh well I didn't. Time is flying. I
Speaker 1: feel like it was three years. I'm not a story.
Speaker 1: But remember when you went on stage, everybody ran over
Speaker 1: there and so we were learning too. We was like,
Speaker 1: where are we going now? But truly amazing and I
Speaker 1: love your journey, just how you went from being in
Speaker 1: the background to being in the forefront. I feel like
Speaker 1: things like that making so much more grounded too when
Speaker 1: you finally do make it like having't started off how
Speaker 1: you did, right, I mean, um, yeah, there's this quote
Speaker 1: that I read recently and it's so true. It's like, um,
Speaker 1: slow success build character, and fast success built ego. For me, definitely,
Speaker 1: this wasn't an overnight thing and it's definitely kept me
Speaker 1: very very humble because I've seen, like you said, being
Speaker 1: in the being in the background. Um, I've been able
Speaker 1: to study people in line life, and I've seen how
Speaker 1: fickle the industry is, how you could be so big
Speaker 1: right now and then to more. You can walk in
Speaker 1: the mall and nobody's trying to take a picture, and
Speaker 1: so me seeing that m has just really just in
Speaker 1: my head. I don't take where I am for granted.
Speaker 1: Like I literally have to ground myself all the time
Speaker 1: because I know it can go like that. You were
Speaker 1: starts like George Michael j blives like crazy, How say, yeah,
Speaker 1: be honestly, how are they like? How are their egos?
Speaker 1: When you are behind the scenes with some of these people,
Speaker 1: does that get you like you know, I know sometimes
Speaker 1: we've had to work with people that might have big
Speaker 1: egos and we feel a little jaded and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So how has that been for you? Just seeing how
Speaker 1: they operate honestly, every single one, And I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I've just been really blessed. Every single person that
Speaker 1: I've worked with has been really really just humble. But
Speaker 1: for me, um, seeing the kind of pressure they were
Speaker 1: under or they are under. And then sometimes, like you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen fans who have just seen them for the
Speaker 1: first time and they don't care whether they're tired, they
Speaker 1: haven't slept, They just want that moment and they just
Speaker 1: want to feel the energy. And and sometimes I'll just
Speaker 1: be looking at them and I'll be like, because I
Speaker 1: was on told Mary, and I'm like, I'll see how
Speaker 1: tired she is and and she just still has to
Speaker 1: put a smile on her face and just tea and
Speaker 1: I used to just wander like, Yo, people have no idea,
Speaker 1: like these are human beings, um that still go through
Speaker 1: Woke everybody else goes through. And you know, we as fans,
Speaker 1: we don't care at that moment. We just want to
Speaker 1: picture and that's it. Yeah, that is crazy, because I've
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people even recently complaining about
Speaker 1: that because um, obviously you want people to give you
Speaker 1: your space right now, or like you got a mask on,
Speaker 1: you want to kind of distance, and I think either.
Speaker 1: I think it was Peter Thomas from the Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of Atlanta. Well he formally he had ended up getting
Speaker 1: COVID and he said it was from like taking pictures
Speaker 1: with fans and stuff like that, and they were asking
Speaker 1: him like take the mask off, like I want you
Speaker 1: to be in a picture without the mask on. So
Speaker 1: I think this is a tough time even right now
Speaker 1: because it's like what are you supposed to do, but
Speaker 1: that your fans might go off on you, like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's rude just seeing her. You know. Yeah, it's hard,
Speaker 1: especially for me and my son, Like sometimes like I
Speaker 1: have to like go out with him, Um, people just
Speaker 1: want to drab him, and like they just want to
Speaker 1: hug him. You know. I'm just like, yo, and he's
Speaker 1: still a kid. He's so excited. He's just like you know,
Speaker 1: walking up to someone or trying to hug someone, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like holding him back. Like I tried to
Speaker 1: find out balance where I tried to explain to them
Speaker 1: like yo, this is my child, Like I'm the one
Speaker 1: that's in this. You know, he's he's he didn't ask
Speaker 1: for this, and I have to find a balance, you know,
Speaker 1: just to I have to protect him. It is hard,
Speaker 1: Like people don't understand that. So probably being famous is
Speaker 1: also having your personal life out there. And we've seen
Speaker 1: that happen of course with like a Mary J. Blige,
Speaker 1: and it's happened with you too. So how do you
Speaker 1: handle things like that with your relationship being on Front
Speaker 1: Street like that? Not because if you because of him?
Speaker 1: Oh that was God, you guys got me. I was
Speaker 1: talking about this for years. Who um? That was? That
Speaker 1: was tough. That was That was really tough for me
Speaker 1: because it was something I was trying to manage and
Speaker 1: I didn't want out there. And when it got out there,
Speaker 1: I felt like I had to defend myself and I
Speaker 1: had to speak up for myself because a lot of
Speaker 1: people were also involved, like a lot of names were
Speaker 1: involved in it hurt because some of my family members
Speaker 1: were obviously involved. And so when I spoke up and
Speaker 1: then I got backlash for speaking up, at that point,
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know what, fuck this, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if my math friend, I was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be me because I was trying to
Speaker 1: be that good girl, take the right boxes, went to school,
Speaker 1: got my degree, um, got married, had a child, like
Speaker 1: literally everything that my society says a woman should do.
Speaker 1: I did all of that, and then when everything went left,
Speaker 1: I was still blamed. Something in my head was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm living for me now, Like I went
Speaker 1: and got a tattoo of my sleep I had, like
Speaker 1: the earliest I cut my hair. I was just I
Speaker 1: was just angry. I was just like, no, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do me because you guys are gonna judge me regardless.
Speaker 1: So I'm um. And I think that's where I got
Speaker 1: the term African bad girl, because I I own it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't give a f I was doing me like yeah,
Speaker 1: no matter what, we always must remember that we come first,
Speaker 1: and we had to do what makes us happy before
Speaker 1: we try to pour into others or before we try
Speaker 1: to be what we think is the right way that
Speaker 1: we should be. You know, you gotta be yourself because
Speaker 1: you'll never be true. We gonna give you n yourself.
Speaker 1: I think it's hard as a woman, like being a
Speaker 1: woman in the industry. I think I think it's true,
Speaker 1: like but it was a journey for me to get
Speaker 1: to what you're saying. And I'm still getting get into
Speaker 1: that um destination on that point. But it's hard because
Speaker 1: you don't want to be seen as like the diva
Speaker 1: when you demand certain things. You want to be liked
Speaker 1: as a woman. You want other women to like you.
Speaker 1: Let's be real. That's another huge thing um for women.
Speaker 1: It's like sometimes you get attacked by attacked by women
Speaker 1: and you're like, yo, you should you should be on
Speaker 1: my side. You should understand why I'm going through so um.
Speaker 1: But now, like he said, I think having a child
Speaker 1: has just made me really like I'm like a lioness,
Speaker 1: Like I don't care as long as I'm good and
Speaker 1: my child is good. At this point, I really don't
Speaker 1: care whether you like me or not. I feel like
Speaker 1: your life is like a movie already, Like this is
Speaker 1: that it doesn't even coming from Nigeria and going through
Speaker 1: what you went through getting band and everything early on
Speaker 1: and having to deal with that, working with all these
Speaker 1: mega stars and then writing your music for them, I
Speaker 1: think that's already like an amazing story. Going through the
Speaker 1: relationship that you went through raising your son, and and
Speaker 1: you lived in so many different places, like the biggest start,
Speaker 1: you know, to the cover of Billboard magazine, Like journey
Speaker 1: to Me is so impressive, it's it's still so hard,
Speaker 1: Like it's still so hard because I feel like I
Speaker 1: still have to like I still like I still have
Speaker 1: to prove myself all the time, Like I still have
Speaker 1: to work twice as hard. I still have to Like
Speaker 1: you know, um, I'm gonna be really honest with you guys,
Speaker 1: Like I'm forty, and that's really hard for a lot
Speaker 1: of people to to believe that I got signed at
Speaker 1: that age. It's just like yo, like how is that possible?
Speaker 1: But to me, that's just God telling me, Like my
Speaker 1: journey is bigger than music. It's bigger than just being
Speaker 1: an African woman. My journey is like to show other women,
Speaker 1: like your life is not over because you're married, because
Speaker 1: you have kids, because you're a single mom, because you're
Speaker 1: not in your twenties or in your like in your teens,
Speaker 1: like you could start your dream when God says that's
Speaker 1: when you're supposed to start, right And for me, like
Speaker 1: my story has to be that to women, why do
Speaker 1: you have to stop modeling at twenty something if you
Speaker 1: still look good. It looks amazing. She is incredible, and
Speaker 1: the and the clothes she's wearing. Only people in my
Speaker 1: tax bracket can afford it anyway, right, Like, and then
Speaker 1: a footballer, you're telling the footballer to retire at whatever
Speaker 1: age if you're still fifty five and you could still
Speaker 1: kick that ball from this post another one. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: feel like we we do, we do. We are so
Speaker 1: unfair to ourselves. And I feel like God is literally
Speaker 1: using me um just to encourage and to inspire young women, like,
Speaker 1: don't beat yourself up if you're twenty six and you
Speaker 1: feel like you haven't really started your career, like baby girl, like,
Speaker 1: trust me, you have your whole life to do this.
Speaker 1: And to me, I don't really know what I wanted
Speaker 1: to be when I was in my twenties. I was
Speaker 1: really comfortable with my skin till I was in my face.
Speaker 1: So it's really important for me to teach that to
Speaker 1: young women. And let's be clear, you're giving these twenty
Speaker 1: year olds a run for their money, because step it up. Listen,
Speaker 1: you said you at forty. I'm saying here, like, why
Speaker 1: she sitting here lying to us like this? Because you
Speaker 1: I would have never like you know I know you
Speaker 1: worked with people for a while, you but you know,
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I would have never guessed forty,
Speaker 1: never in a million. But that's not and again that's
Speaker 1: not a bad thing like you're saying, because if it
Speaker 1: was a man starting at forty and music, nobody even
Speaker 1: questions it. Like some of the biggest artists are in
Speaker 1: the damn fifties and nobody is saying anything about that.
Speaker 1: It's just like, Okay, jay Z my favorite rapper, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But they're not really sitting down
Speaker 1: and looking at it like that. They judge women so
Speaker 1: much more by by little thing. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: look a certain way. You have to like know, like
Speaker 1: I like listen, like I'm I want, I want to
Speaker 1: break all of those show was like beyond my music.
Speaker 1: I want. I want my music to obviously be the
Speaker 1: starting point, but my my whole career is bigger than music.
Speaker 1: It's it's definitely a journey. Now, you name the new
Speaker 1: album after your mom, Celia, and so what's your relationship
Speaker 1: with your mom? And then I want to also ask
Speaker 1: you with your parents, what was their relationship like with
Speaker 1: each other and how did that influence you? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: when they see this, they're gonna kill me. I can
Speaker 1: still get time out, you know, my mom, she don't
Speaker 1: um my mom. I named it after my mom because
Speaker 1: when I wanted to go into music in my culture,
Speaker 1: it was just like, are you crazy like music? Who's
Speaker 1: gonna marry her? Like she has to either be a
Speaker 1: doctor or housewife or you know. Um, And my mom
Speaker 1: was like no, Like I'm going to support her. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna push her. She moved me to UM the UK.
Speaker 1: Then she got me to go to Berkeley College of
Speaker 1: Music to study music. So and she got a lot
Speaker 1: of backlash from family members who said she was crazy
Speaker 1: for supporting to be a musician. So for me, like,
Speaker 1: I want to pay homage to her because without her,
Speaker 1: obviously I wouldn't be right. She supported me against you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's who wish And because I see her, I see
Speaker 1: her resilience, I see how humble but hard working she is,
Speaker 1: and she just represents the modern day woman of color
Speaker 1: to me, like a woman who's not afraid to be
Speaker 1: submissive to her husband, but who still works her nine
Speaker 1: to five to put food on the table for her kids,
Speaker 1: and who is very spiritual but also very modern, Like
Speaker 1: she came with me when I got my piercings in
Speaker 1: my tattoos. But she's up every morning at six am
Speaker 1: praying so for me, she just embodies everything. Um, and
Speaker 1: it's just I also wanted to celebrate women of color
Speaker 1: because I feel like, first of all, apart from being
Speaker 1: a woman, being a woman of color, we we go
Speaker 1: through so many challenges and I wanted this album to
Speaker 1: just to just celebrate, to celebrate us. I want us
Speaker 1: to get all flowers. Well, we're still alive. How did
Speaker 1: your dad tell about that? Yeah, your dad kind of
Speaker 1: a game at the beginning. He was just like, so
Speaker 1: so because my dad was like no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: I had to study business and accounts as my first degree,
Speaker 1: and then I had to work as a trainee accountant.
Speaker 1: And then at one point I was just like, you
Speaker 1: know what, Dad, this is your certificate. I'm going to
Speaker 1: do what I want to do right. But now my dad,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, everywhere we go he'll be like, that's
Speaker 1: to your savages. You were like, well, you don't get
Speaker 1: an album named after you because my back he's the
Speaker 1: same energy what you wanted me to be. Let me
Speaker 1: be super because in your culture, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm a hundred percent right, but I have a couple
Speaker 1: of friends that are Nigerian. They told me, like they're
Speaker 1: not allowed to leave out of the house until they're married.
Speaker 1: So not like to go out obviously, but like, um,
Speaker 1: they can't move without being mary, Like they can't live
Speaker 1: on their own. Yeah, a lot, a lot of it,
Speaker 1: A lot of I mean apart apart from the fact
Speaker 1: that it's not that safe as well. Um traditionally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you leave your parents house, you leave to your
Speaker 1: husband's house. You're not going to get a house with
Speaker 1: your friends or get roommates or nothing like that. So
Speaker 1: you're like untouchable at that point. You're no one wants
Speaker 1: to marry you if you're living with other people or
Speaker 1: it's something like that. That's like, I mean, it's changing.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. It definitely is changing a lot
Speaker 1: because a lot of the Africans who lived in the
Speaker 1: the aspects are moving back, and a lot of the
Speaker 1: women are saying like, no, we we're not just going
Speaker 1: to go from my parents house to a man's house.
Speaker 1: A man we don't know. We want to live life,
Speaker 1: we want to experience them, we want to travel the world.
Speaker 1: We want to get our career first, because I'm not
Speaker 1: going to move into a guy's house and then I'm
Speaker 1: depending on him for bills and everything I want to build.
Speaker 1: So a lot of women are speaking up, and it's
Speaker 1: it's really good to see, however, present for you to
Speaker 1: tell your parents that her marriage wasn't working out, because sometimes,
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm sorry it was something that you
Speaker 1: had to deal with like internally before you even was
Speaker 1: able to go to that. And then I know you
Speaker 1: probably knew they would be so protective over you and
Speaker 1: angry about it. So what was that like for you?
Speaker 1: I was, I was. I was embarrassed, so I think
Speaker 1: I tried to cover up. We both tried. I even
Speaker 1: have a song on my album called Us and it's
Speaker 1: it's about how my marriage fell apart. I think my
Speaker 1: mom knew. UM. I think mothers always know, UM, and
Speaker 1: I wasn't prepared to tell them until everything just kind
Speaker 1: of like when I'm Lyne, and then I had to
Speaker 1: kind of like tell everyone that we've been struggling with
Speaker 1: this for a while. UM. It was it was hard
Speaker 1: for my for my brothers and my my father. UM,
Speaker 1: but my mom was I think she she kind of
Speaker 1: already knew, so she she handled it a lot. That's
Speaker 1: how do guys approach you now? They don't Are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? Not even in the d m s or
Speaker 1: anything that's crazy. I mean in my d MS, I
Speaker 1: get stuff like, um, please my tuition bills? Duke, can
Speaker 1: you can you help me? I don't girl, you do
Speaker 1: got it. You said you wanted a man, right, You
Speaker 1: ain't saying he had to be rich school and make
Speaker 1: him whatever you want him to do. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. They don't really, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Or maybe I honestly, I'm so focused. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe I just missed it a lot of the times. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it's the last time you've been on a date. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know the pandemic is going on one, but I
Speaker 1: haven't been on a proper date and he is m hm, damn,
Speaker 1: we're about to set this up. I know. I felt
Speaker 1: like show for Aron catch you guys really need to
Speaker 1: help me out. I'm being like my manager is always
Speaker 1: trying to hurt me up with some football or some
Speaker 1: basketball players. We just talked about them, really, we wine,
Speaker 1: why did you just pick up your like yeah, a man,
Speaker 1: do you think cheat? Honestly? I think I agree. I
Speaker 1: would say nineties seven y'all are wrong. Let me ask you.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you guys this, do you honestly think?
Speaker 1: Do you think men? Because if I'm gonna go biblically
Speaker 1: and you know, back in the in the in the
Speaker 1: Bible days the multiple wives, concubines and stuff, do you
Speaker 1: think a man can really be with one woman? Yes,
Speaker 1: A lot of the guys. A lot of times when
Speaker 1: I speak to men, they say to me, when they
Speaker 1: have sexual relations to other women, it's not their heart
Speaker 1: is not attached, it's just but their sperm is, and
Speaker 1: let me set you have have it. And but I
Speaker 1: feel like this, I feel like men though, don't get
Speaker 1: that way until they get older and have experienced a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. Like I feel like when they're ready
Speaker 1: to settle down is when they're just tired of having
Speaker 1: to spend all this money and run around and do this,
Speaker 1: and but they still do bullshit though, like they'll do
Speaker 1: some sleek sneak sit on the side though. I felt
Speaker 1: like even still, yeah, I I agree, I definitely raising
Speaker 1: the sun. I think that they grow up and learn
Speaker 1: that I don't think they're born with that instinct and
Speaker 1: people excise it like it's normal. That's more than women.
Speaker 1: So you mean when okay, let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: performing right, being on tour and everything, like you don't
Speaker 1: have guys approach you then like yo, it's good. No,
Speaker 1: because honestly, I know it's gonna be a really hard
Speaker 1: to believe. But I after performance, I don't really go
Speaker 1: out to off the parties like not. I want the
Speaker 1: MTV and me UM A couple of years ago and
Speaker 1: there was an after party. I think Nikki was there
Speaker 1: and some other people, and I went straight to sleep,
Speaker 1: like I just, I don't, I don't, damn it. We
Speaker 1: didn't celebrate. I literally, I don't know. I'm just I
Speaker 1: just I just wanted to be in my room. And
Speaker 1: I just want to have a lot of female friends,
Speaker 1: like girlfriends that you hang out with. No, if there's
Speaker 1: a guy that you find attractive, are you gonna approach
Speaker 1: him or now? I think now because i'm quote unquote
Speaker 1: your sava. And if I if I have a little
Speaker 1: help from certain you know, if I drink or something
Speaker 1: I don't want to say the other thing, they might
Speaker 1: arrest me. Nigeria, Oh my gosh, I have to see
Speaker 1: what you're gonna say. I got it. You know, you
Speaker 1: guys know if I'm on that level, I think I
Speaker 1: would approach I'll say something, or I'll I'll try and
Speaker 1: be funny about it. Yeah, where's your type? Though? Um?
Speaker 1: He just I mean two eyes, two years, definitely a
Speaker 1: penis one. But yeah, he only has one ball long
Speaker 1: as I think is big. I'm like, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if I if we talk about this, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I really like really huge pisses. That's okay,
Speaker 1: I make you, I don't, right, I just want you
Speaker 1: to know what you're doing. I think when it's too big,
Speaker 1: it's it's I don't want you to hit the laws.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to destroy them. Don't knock them
Speaker 1: down now, right? What about small? What if he's small?
Speaker 1: No no, that's no, no, no no no, you need
Speaker 1: to go like right, you need to fix that. There's
Speaker 1: so much amazing and every other way. Yeah, it's still enough. Okay.
Speaker 1: What if you've got just right, but he needs to
Speaker 1: help getting through college and he's letting your m to
Speaker 1: sitution before, Oh my god, but no, for imagine that.
Speaker 1: Imagine you meet a guy, and you're out right, and
Speaker 1: then he's like, hey, you know, after a while, y'all
Speaker 1: follow each other on Instagram and you see that he
Speaker 1: sent you a message back in the day, like maybe
Speaker 1: like a few months ago, and there was some crazy
Speaker 1: weirdo ship. Would you would you kind of? Because you
Speaker 1: know how people say say it's a picture of his dick,
Speaker 1: because we get that often. Oh my god, that's disgusting.
Speaker 1: Would you continue? But he's a nice guy, he doesn't
Speaker 1: swept you off your feet and everything, But nine months
Speaker 1: ago he sent you a picture of his dick? Would
Speaker 1: you continue to talk to him? No? He's probably sent
Speaker 1: out to a lot of people, like why would you
Speaker 1: he's Have you ever sent news? No, not even to
Speaker 1: your husband, but I have. I have said like bikini's
Speaker 1: and stuff, but not completely Okay, okay, what if that
Speaker 1: were just not your faith in it? Vikini with a
Speaker 1: nipple hanging out or like oh you guys, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: trend so bad after that? We just wonder, all right,
Speaker 1: but listen, you said that this new album is gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot more personal, right, and you'll be talking
Speaker 1: about a lot of things and addressing things. And so
Speaker 1: we've heard the song Dangerous Love, and so let's talk
Speaker 1: about that song. And I feel like we kind of
Speaker 1: know what that's about. Yes, So I've been in that
Speaker 1: situation a couple of times where like I literally know,
Speaker 1: like this isn't going anywhere. I know he's f boy,
Speaker 1: he's a dick. He I know he's seen other people,
Speaker 1: but there's just this chemistry and it's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll tell him like, this is it, this can't work.
Speaker 1: We don't talk for a while, and then he calls
Speaker 1: me out of the blue, and then I give him
Speaker 1: and then I go and see him next morning. He
Speaker 1: stops calling me again, and I'm like, so that's it's
Speaker 1: a It's dangerous love. Is that cycle? Like a lot
Speaker 1: of girls, I'm sure have experienced that, and you try
Speaker 1: and lie to your friends, like you try and pretend
Speaker 1: like you know into him, or like you were just
Speaker 1: with him the night before. Yeah, that's what that song is. Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like, whenever you're lying to your friends about
Speaker 1: your relationship, you know you don't sunk up because when
Speaker 1: you get honest with your friends, you're embarrassed. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: left that I want, but not just really tell them
Speaker 1: what's going on, Like what if you like secret, but
Speaker 1: you're not lying A that's lying. That's like change, that's
Speaker 1: lying with a different namely to y'all, I do as
Speaker 1: a lying bitch, you don't really touch your friends because
Speaker 1: if they're like your sisters, like your friends. I like
Speaker 1: to Angela, like a time, y'are lie to me, and
Speaker 1: it should be like, Okay, I have to tell you something.
Speaker 1: But I didn't really want to put it out there
Speaker 1: until I'm for sure that it was gonna be a
Speaker 1: thing again. So I just kind of kept it to myself. Well,
Speaker 1: I liked because I was embarrassed and I thought it
Speaker 1: was gonna happen, and I thought it would work again.
Speaker 1: Obviously I wouldn't have fell back for it, but you know,
Speaker 1: in the midst of it, like I'm an idiot. Like
Speaker 1: so that's why I don't want to share with my friends.
Speaker 1: I don't need her to tell me I'm an idiot
Speaker 1: on top of the back, they've never used those words. Well,
Speaker 1: I felt like an idiot and I did such a dumbask.
Speaker 1: We're even entertaining him and trying to think I'm hard
Speaker 1: to talk to yourself like that. So it was just
Speaker 1: like when I feel like it's gonna be a thing,
Speaker 1: then I'll let everybody know. But we're spend way too
Speaker 1: much time together, and yeah, we're too closed and I
Speaker 1: can't just make up stuff. So I telling myself when
Speaker 1: remember and I had to tell you at the airport. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she tells me because and she you can't help yourself.
Speaker 1: It's bed to tell me. But some things you'll keep
Speaker 1: and some some people like and you know that she's
Speaker 1: gonna be a little more harsh, so you kind of
Speaker 1: keep it from her for a little bit. I am
Speaker 1: pretty nice about it. Still, I could be way more harsh.
Speaker 1: She's nice, but she's like me, like we take jabs.
Speaker 1: But when I know that somebody doesn't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it, I'll let it go. But and was still
Speaker 1: take a job at you and you'll be like, bitch,
Speaker 1: I knew I should have told you why thinking friends
Speaker 1: like that though, because it's just like it's too fun
Speaker 1: heavy heavy, you know what I mean. Like she's just
Speaker 1: making it like, I don't know, making you feel comfortable,
Speaker 1: like yo, it's not that serious, like in a bad way.
Speaker 1: It's more of a you know, a jab and a
Speaker 1: joe people. Yea, I always would have somebody, my friends,
Speaker 1: I would always have your back to like you doing
Speaker 1: you know I make fun of but if yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's still if you hear anything, if you're like, yo,
Speaker 1: this didn't work out, I need to come like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be like, yeah you will, and so I think
Speaker 1: that's the most important thing. But can I trust you
Speaker 1: guys to hook me up with someone because you guys
Speaker 1: as oh no, no, no, the person the people we
Speaker 1: got wrapped up with is the same person for each other,
Speaker 1: like not the same, but you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's the same person. I'm talking about her person. It
Speaker 1: is always the same person that was kept coming back around.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like different guys. You would be a gem
Speaker 1: for somebody, but we gotta we gotta check you out first.
Speaker 1: Now ever, being like you might be the one that
Speaker 1: have you ever broken somebody's heart, because there's some broken
Speaker 1: hearts out there because of you. Keep it real. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pretty I'm pretty open. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: from the stop like, no, I wouldn't. I'm I'm so gentle.
Speaker 1: I'm so I would never. I wouldn't be sleeping like
Speaker 1: like I would never to do that break someone's hat.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe not on purpose, but you know, maybe
Speaker 1: they wanted to be in a relationship. It was just
Speaker 1: the situation ship and then he wanted to take it
Speaker 1: further and you were like, na, she'll be I would
Speaker 1: definitely saying I wouldn't be that harsh. I would definitely
Speaker 1: tell you from from the start if I if I'm
Speaker 1: if my head is even there and not like because
Speaker 1: I'm so into music I just got signed, Like, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even like you would have to really really get
Speaker 1: to my heart for me to even make room for that.
Speaker 1: How do you break things off with someone I've never
Speaker 1: I've always they've always broken up with me. See you
Speaker 1: what are You're a little crazy, it's all all. It's
Speaker 1: just as I promised you. I'm really I'm really not.
Speaker 1: I'm you know what, I'm so, I'm so easy, Like
Speaker 1: my friends tell me that that's why people take advantage
Speaker 1: of me, because like I'm so like if I would
Speaker 1: Robbily tell me cheating and we work work at it
Speaker 1: and even if I find out it's like I would hut.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever had a situation where I'm
Speaker 1: shoting like you motherfucker, I'm break like I've never had
Speaker 1: that situation. I ain't never been alive then now I'm joking,
Speaker 1: that's not I'm joking. I literally would just hurt myself
Speaker 1: and walk away and just I don't know, and I'll
Speaker 1: still be the dumb one calling and be like, oh
Speaker 1: I saw you just got engaged. Your wife is so beautiful, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, can I cook her? And not to
Speaker 1: do against what's the registry to damn nice? Yeah, we
Speaker 1: gotta toughen that up. All right. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Have you ever stopped somebody or popped up unannounced once
Speaker 1: we knew you were crazy? Said lay it out as
Speaker 1: we're happening. I like it literally like this person was
Speaker 1: literally taking the pits like I was the was considerate
Speaker 1: person and something happened. I was calling like back to
Speaker 1: back to back, like and I was sick as well.
Speaker 1: I was ill, and I was just like yo, like
Speaker 1: calling back to back, and he just like maybe fifty
Speaker 1: calls and I knew exactly where he was. So I
Speaker 1: just got in the car and I was just like
Speaker 1: driving then, like just angry, speeding, and when I got there,
Speaker 1: he had just left with the girl like m So
Speaker 1: I'm just that situation. But god knows, I probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: have done anything. Wait, my god, he just would have
Speaker 1: looked at them, Like day, I knew it. Did you
Speaker 1: talk to him when he called you the next day?
Speaker 1: I had known him for two days and then I
Speaker 1: picked up the caller to your your name is savage.
Speaker 1: We gotta live up to that. I know this is
Speaker 1: not adding up. Oh my god, I shouldn't put this
Speaker 1: out there like now. I think it's hilarious and sometimes
Speaker 1: you gotta pop up. No, yeah, you got a don't know,
Speaker 1: but you wasn't doing you was popping up for nothing though,
Speaker 1: that's the only bad thing. We need to have a
Speaker 1: water balloon or nothing. You have up but thanks to friends.
Speaker 1: I need to have friends to just be like riding
Speaker 1: with me, like, you know, I need, I need, I
Speaker 1: need to get I need to get this. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had to figure this out. What are some other things
Speaker 1: on the album that we can expect some some of
Speaker 1: the themes. So, um, I have a record with Sam Smith. Um,
Speaker 1: I know it's Oh my goodness. He was incredible on it.
Speaker 1: He was the only person I could hear on the record,
Speaker 1: and I was so blessed that he you know, agreed
Speaker 1: to it and and did it. I have a record
Speaker 1: with Steph London and Dies. I have this record with
Speaker 1: David Oh and I have I have a song UM,
Speaker 1: like I said, call us and it's basically the first
Speaker 1: time I'm really really addressing um the situation UM about
Speaker 1: my divorce. And I also have a I also have
Speaker 1: another record called Celia Song, and it's basically a prayer
Speaker 1: song UM about sometimes when you just feel like giving up,
Speaker 1: you really don't feel like getting out of the bed,
Speaker 1: and you don't know what else you can do. You
Speaker 1: feel like life has knocked you down and it keeps
Speaker 1: knocking you down. UM. It's just one of those records
Speaker 1: where you're just looking to guard and you're just like,
Speaker 1: what else can I do? Because I'm at the lowest
Speaker 1: low So wow, you know, and I'm used to you
Speaker 1: having like really love happy like you know, this is different.
Speaker 1: It is. I just feel like I've grown and I
Speaker 1: just feel like, you know, I do have a lot
Speaker 1: of love love songs, but I feel like as an artist,
Speaker 1: we are we're responsible to talk on things that or
Speaker 1: to be a voice to the voiceless. And I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm at that point where I just want to
Speaker 1: be real, Like I've been through some stuff and I
Speaker 1: I used other people's music to get me through certain situations,
Speaker 1: and I want to be able to do that for
Speaker 1: somebody else. Have you forgiven your ex husband? Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: Like I have to take responsibility. In the song, there's
Speaker 1: a line that says, um, I wasn't enough. You weren't enough.
Speaker 1: Even my even our mother's prayers wasn't enough to help this.
Speaker 1: And it says even jamil Um couldn't keep us together. Um.
Speaker 1: So it's not a situation where I'm blaming him um
Speaker 1: or blaming myself. It's just one of those things where
Speaker 1: both of us couldn't save it. So um yeah, I definitely,
Speaker 1: And it's in my best interest for him to be
Speaker 1: happy and for him because I want I want my
Speaker 1: son to not just look up to me. I want
Speaker 1: to look up to both of us. You know. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of times women that women get that
Speaker 1: wrong and they feel like, you know, if you're really
Speaker 1: thinking about your child and you want your child to
Speaker 1: grow up like, you know, just being balanced, he needs
Speaker 1: to have both parents just doing good. So I pray
Speaker 1: for him. I really pray from my husband, I pray
Speaker 1: from all the time. Yeah, definitely special and different because I,
Speaker 1: you know, have the things you're saying. I ain't never
Speaker 1: hearing nobody talking like that. But what about him? Does
Speaker 1: he date other women? And how did that play apart
Speaker 1: when it comes to your son being involved? So we
Speaker 1: don't really have that conversation anymore. Um, but um, he
Speaker 1: he is involved in my son's life. They they they're
Speaker 1: so close, they skype and face time all the time.
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's he's he's good. He's good to my son.
Speaker 1: So H well, I think that's great. Did it take
Speaker 1: a while to get to this point because I'm sure
Speaker 1: you weren't like that at first. You know, we're talking
Speaker 1: about how great a mature. But it does take some time.
Speaker 1: With THEO, I went for a time where I really
Speaker 1: was angry at him. Then I went through a time
Speaker 1: where I was angry at myself. I went through a
Speaker 1: time when my confidence was like, oh my god, Like
Speaker 1: I was just say, maybe if I was a little
Speaker 1: lie up, maybe if I had more hips, maybe this,
Speaker 1: maybe if I was this to be like, I was
Speaker 1: literally just blaming myself and I was like and then
Speaker 1: I just went through a period where I was just numb.
Speaker 1: I just I just thought to myself, I never want
Speaker 1: to be in a relationship. I never I just want
Speaker 1: to be with me and my son. I never want
Speaker 1: to like just go through this pain because it was
Speaker 1: there's a difference when you break up with someone, and
Speaker 1: there's a difference when you break up with someone in
Speaker 1: the public eye. Like I can't I can't even explain
Speaker 1: just so many people were having an opinion about what
Speaker 1: what happened and nobody really knowing. So I was in
Speaker 1: my room for months where I would cry every night
Speaker 1: like I would. I was just like, how did I
Speaker 1: How did I miss this up? And I felt also
Speaker 1: guilty for my son because I was just like, man,
Speaker 1: like I didn't want him to grow up like this,
Speaker 1: like sometimes when I go to school and like they
Speaker 1: do like Christmas plays and I'm like the only parent
Speaker 1: there or and I see how he'll be looking at
Speaker 1: other people with their mom and dad, And I was
Speaker 1: just blaming myself for that too. But I definitely on
Speaker 1: a stage where I accept what happened, I accept responsibility
Speaker 1: for what I did, and I just know that at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, God, God has all of us,
Speaker 1: and that's the only thing I can hold onto How
Speaker 1: did you snap out of that love point? It wasn't
Speaker 1: over night, you know it was. I can't tell you
Speaker 1: when it happened, but I do remember that it took
Speaker 1: a long time, like a long time where the pain
Speaker 1: was like overwhelming and it was just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I just I just consumed my mind with
Speaker 1: music and just and work and like family and my son.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, like when you're climbing the mountain,
Speaker 1: like like you just get to the top and you
Speaker 1: look down and you're like, yo, how did I get
Speaker 1: up here? Like I honestly can't tell you when that
Speaker 1: moment was when I'm like, oh, this is the day
Speaker 1: when I cup and it was well gone, Like I
Speaker 1: just I just know that now I'm a bit of place,
Speaker 1: But I don't really know the exact time when I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, the pain has gone. So the
Speaker 1: album was therapeutic for you, I would assume, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely not just because of that, just the struggles of
Speaker 1: being a woman, just just just just trying to put
Speaker 1: out something successful from an African afrobet female, because I mean,
Speaker 1: you're you're a fan of the genre, and there's not
Speaker 1: that many of us that get that much hi, and
Speaker 1: it's just it's just sad, Like it's really sad. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: and I'm that's why I was excited when they said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to you and said I said yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and really like the first time I really knew about you,
Speaker 1: we was a made in America and that performance was
Speaker 1: what made me do like, okay, yeah, get some more
Speaker 1: into this and do my research and then just to
Speaker 1: see all the doors you broke, and like I said,
Speaker 1: I love a story, right, and I know that that
Speaker 1: is your life, but it's relatable to me, Like are
Speaker 1: so many women who are going through things. To see
Speaker 1: you go through it, come through on the other side
Speaker 1: and prosper and then be able to express yourself and
Speaker 1: be honest about it. I think those things are really important.
Speaker 1: That's what we look for an artist, just real life
Speaker 1: people just like us, you know. So I know it sucks,
Speaker 1: like to feel like you have to go through some ship,
Speaker 1: but I think I think we all go through so
Speaker 1: much ship and to see somebody that we look at,
Speaker 1: we're like, yo, she's so dope. She's got, you know,
Speaker 1: a hundred million followers and she's on the cover of
Speaker 1: this magazine, sold out, these shows, got her Grammys, all
Speaker 1: of those things, but she still has real life issue right,
Speaker 1: like as that makes us listen to the music and
Speaker 1: feel it that much more true. Absolutely, absolutely, And I
Speaker 1: feel like even though, like you know, I'm a freaking
Speaker 1: and I still feel like as women, we all go
Speaker 1: through the same thing. And when I when they told
Speaker 1: me that I was going to be on the show,
Speaker 1: I was so nervous because I just congratulations, by the a, um,
Speaker 1: you know all of that. That's amazing. So for me,
Speaker 1: I was just you know, don't want to interview me?
Speaker 1: And and they were like yeah, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like what am I gonna say? So
Speaker 1: and being that you guys are women, I was so
Speaker 1: comfortable because I knew that you guys would understand a
Speaker 1: lot of my journey and I felt open and I
Speaker 1: felt free that you know, They said, would I be
Speaker 1: comfortable to talk my certain things? And I said definitely,
Speaker 1: because I've been I've been a fan obviously, UM so yeah,
Speaker 1: this is always a safe space and right and we
Speaker 1: are always appreciative of those who come through and open
Speaker 1: up and really share with us and not just make
Speaker 1: it a robotic interview, and it's more organic when you know,
Speaker 1: you really feel the freedom to be able to express yourself. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I still gonna get you on Breakfast Club though, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta get that that. I'm gonna be sweat important.
Speaker 1: I know that's like crazy. I'm gonna be looking at
Speaker 1: you like, oh my god, be nice to me now.
Speaker 1: But listen, I think it's important because just as A
Speaker 1: and I don't even know like what John are, necessarily
Speaker 1: to put your music in. You just make amazing music,
Speaker 1: really good. We do our part and let it, you know,
Speaker 1: And I know you know millions of people obviously you
Speaker 1: know who you are. I know about you, but I
Speaker 1: want to make sure here more people are put onto it.
Speaker 1: So no, I said, listen, I'm a new artist, like
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm definitely that's that's a new market for me.
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna lie it's it's definitely a new market.
Speaker 1: And it's exciting for me to even start on such
Speaker 1: a platform like this, like it's a new market. Definitely. Alright, Well, Salia,
Speaker 1: it is that on the twenty eight? Is that correct? Eight? Yes?
Speaker 1: Now you're excited. We're excited to have you guys been
Speaker 1: to Nigeria or Africa. I wanna be a Johannesburg, Yo, Joe,
Speaker 1: but essay is amazing. I've I've only been to Morocco
Speaker 1: and I stayed for like one day. I know, we
Speaker 1: were like stopping there. So it's just I want to
Speaker 1: go so bad though I've been telling ye, you know
Speaker 1: that's gonna be Listen, Y're not having us right now
Speaker 1: because our president is coronavirus very well, and we don't wanna.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants us. But as soon as we're allowed to come,
Speaker 1: we are there. I always I wanted to go as
Speaker 1: a private jet. So I'm sending them over and then
Speaker 1: see if you guys are free, We're ready today. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're here. We my bags, tack y'all bags back? Yeah,
Speaker 1: back the bag just like this. No, but listen, I
Speaker 1: seriously was and I know Nigeria Legos is way different
Speaker 1: than Johannesburg, but I had so much fun when I
Speaker 1: when I tell you, I can see why people would
Speaker 1: be like, I'm just moving here, I'm out like yeah,
Speaker 1: and I heard the guys, which I don't understand why
Speaker 1: you heard that. Guys is fine. African man are definitely special.
Speaker 1: I love them. Like, you know what I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you because you worked with Beyonce, and um, I
Speaker 1: got into it on one of Jasmine Brand's post and
Speaker 1: it was with the girl No Name, and she was
Speaker 1: basically talking about Beyonce's movie Black Is King, and she
Speaker 1: was basically saying like this is what was she saying?
Speaker 1: This is capitalism and this is that. And then third, now,
Speaker 1: as being an African woman, do you look at stuff
Speaker 1: like that and be like, oh, this isn't a good representation.
Speaker 1: Because it was a little confusing to me why people
Speaker 1: were kind of attacking Beyonce. But I figured maybe because
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not African, so maybe there's something that
Speaker 1: I don't know about that you know, you would feel
Speaker 1: offended by. So so what you're you're saying that she
Speaker 1: was creating the culture? Yeah, basically yeah. Um, and as
Speaker 1: an American or just me in general being a Beyonce fan,
Speaker 1: I actually book that she was celebrating the culture, right,
Speaker 1: saying that they were in Africa, and then it was
Speaker 1: so many African people, you know, the whole cast basically
Speaker 1: besides the celebrities, we're African. And I'm like, yes, you know,
Speaker 1: we need this, we need to now I would to go, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how you know for her to say that I
Speaker 1: was shocking the call like I which I kill, well,
Speaker 1: I am shocked and too, to be honest, like it's
Speaker 1: that's crazy because how can you how can you say
Speaker 1: an African American woman is appropriate and African culture, Like
Speaker 1: you can't steal what's yours? That's what I thought today,
Speaker 1: Like she's we're we're all originally African, so she's she
Speaker 1: can't really say that she's appropriate and African culture because
Speaker 1: she is originally her bloodline is originally African, and she
Speaker 1: was celebrating the culture. Um, like she said, put a
Speaker 1: little artists, a little creatives um on Black his King.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody that watched that would not feel
Speaker 1: some kind of great emotion or just me just being
Speaker 1: proud to be African or of African descent if you're
Speaker 1: not African. So I personally didn't feel that. Um. I
Speaker 1: think it was iconic what she did. It was great.
Speaker 1: She didn't have to do it, and she did it. Um.
Speaker 1: And again I honestly stand by my words. I don't
Speaker 1: really think you can still what's yours real or African
Speaker 1: So you think you could be with a man like
Speaker 1: get married again if he was an African. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who we're gonna send your away.
Speaker 1: I love I love, I love black men. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't have to be African, but I
Speaker 1: need that you need going to be black. I'm with
Speaker 1: you have I'm too light give for a white guy
Speaker 1: anything like that. We're just gonna have clear kids and
Speaker 1: I need MYKDS, some color Claire kids. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: really waiting on you to hook me up with some
Speaker 1: of you know you become Jake. I was wanted to
Speaker 1: make sure he has someone that is in the back
Speaker 1: of my mind. But the only reason why I don't
Speaker 1: want to do it is because he is a basketball
Speaker 1: player and I wouldn't trust him to be like faithful
Speaker 1: to you, but he would be. Mind would you mind
Speaker 1: somebody younger? You want somebody older? Doesn't matter? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't mind age like ages like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I wouldn't date a sixteen year old, hopefully, But what's
Speaker 1: like the what's the lowest you you have to play?
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know, I just I mean, it
Speaker 1: just depends on his maturity. Like I don't really look
Speaker 1: at the age. You look so young. I felt like
Speaker 1: you could date the twenty six year old and just
Speaker 1: get away with it. Right young, but my boned Your
Speaker 1: penus not too big? Yeah yeah yeah, alright, well see
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