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Speaker 1: Overboard. A beautiful young mom, Lynette Hooker disappears at sea

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Speaker 1: with her husband. Good evening, I means he graces This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 2: Brian texting me saying call me.

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Speaker 3: At around eight thirty at night, Brian just said, Hey,

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Speaker 3: your mom's all overboard. She's been missing since last night

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Speaker 3: around seven thirty. Something is off, something is sketchy. From

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Speaker 3: that phone call, I was just.

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Speaker 2: Sitting there like, what, how do you lose my mom?

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Speaker 4: It's not the evidence that Brian did anything wrong, it's

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Speaker 4: the sense of evidence to support his story. I'm trying

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Speaker 4: to piece it together with the Brian I know, and

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Speaker 4: it's not working. And I really wish you would start

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Speaker 4: talking and explain it so that it makes sense to us.

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Speaker 5: Somebody lost their daughter and their mother and now she's

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Speaker 5: still not found. It doesn't make sense to me in

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Speaker 5: the story to an add up. We're still searching for

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Speaker 5: our body, and I do believe like he's the only

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Speaker 5: person that knows the truth.

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Speaker 1: Joining us tonight, Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Matt. Dave Matt,

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Speaker 1: what more can you tell us?

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Speaker 4: Nancy?

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Speaker 6: We have an exciting time happening in the Bahamas right now.

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Speaker 6: As this story has been going on for weeks, we've

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Speaker 6: been wondering what really transpired the night of April fourth

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Speaker 6: into the morning of April fifth, and now we're getting

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Speaker 6: a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: Look.

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Speaker 6: The Coastguard from the United States of America is now

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Speaker 6: in the Bahamas with a dive team. They are picking

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Speaker 6: areas to dive and it's amazing how this fart into

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Speaker 6: this investigation that we're finally getting that type of movement

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Speaker 6: breaking down the digital stuff that Brian Hooker has comparing

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Speaker 6: it worth with what he said there might be some discrepancies. Also,

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Speaker 6: in a shocking update, we find out that on the

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Speaker 6: Soulmate there is the you know, the digital tracking that

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Speaker 6: shows where a boat is, the speed and everything else

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Speaker 6: that goes into that. Well, we found out that for

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Speaker 6: eleven hours beginning around nine to thirty pm the night

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Speaker 6: of April fourth, that GPS, the tracker.

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Speaker 4: This was shut off.

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Speaker 6: The Soulmate went totally dark, totally in communicado from nine

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Speaker 6: to thirty pm on April fourth until eight forty am

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Speaker 6: on April to fifth, So documentation for that time period gone.

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Speaker 6: It's not there, totally dark during the one time we

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Speaker 6: really need that information. So those are the just right

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Speaker 6: off the top of the bat, Nancy, That's what we're

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Speaker 6: looking at. As this story has really heated up.

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Speaker 1: Robert Crispin is joining us now private investigator at Crispin

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Speaker 1: Special Investigations, former Federal Task Force officer, US Department Justice

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Speaker 1: DEA Miami field office. It goes on and on and

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Speaker 1: on at Crispinsinvestigations dot com. Robert Crispin, what do you

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Speaker 1: make of that?

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Speaker 7: So, as you reported, it has been reported that the

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Speaker 7: GPS data stopped at a certain time and came back

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Speaker 7: on the next morning. Plus the statements of mister Hooker

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Speaker 7: to law enforcement.

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Speaker 4: Don't match any data that they.

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Speaker 7: Recovered prior to that time. And let me explain why

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Speaker 7: that's important. Because the GPS or the garments that are

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Speaker 7: on these boats, they lay what's.

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Speaker 2: Called cookies or a trail.

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Speaker 7: So as you're driving across the ocean or you're going

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Speaker 7: in between the islands, there is a cookie trail behind

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Speaker 7: your boat, and it's how you can turn around and

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Speaker 7: follow your trail back if you get into inclement weather

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Speaker 7: or a zero visibility issue. All you do is follow

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Speaker 7: your track. That track will take you everywhere you've been.

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Speaker 7: People on the East Coast that go to the Bahamas,

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Speaker 7: they use their cookies to cross the ocean to get

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Speaker 7: to the Bahamas to hit that inlet. A lot of

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Speaker 2: The Bahamas don't have lights.

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Speaker 7: A lot of them at night are pitch black, and

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Speaker 7: those cookies tell you exactly where that boat's been. And

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Speaker 7: boaters and people that operate vessels, especially in the Bahamas

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Speaker 7: or in the open ocean, can see heat such as another.

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Speaker 2: Boat that could be in front of them that.

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Speaker 7: Has no lights on. It's great for when you're in

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Speaker 7: It will actually pick up the heat of a swimmer

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Speaker 7: have been used when she allegedly went overboard and that flur,

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Speaker 7: because the Bahama waters, remember are very warm, and her

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Waltz joining US Store of Unmasked True Crime, who

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Speaker 1: has dedicated weeks and weeks of investigation into Lynette's disappearance, Vanessa,

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Speaker 1: what more can you tell us?

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Speaker 8: So what's so significant to me is that investigators state

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Speaker 8: that they believed that they were searching the wrong area

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Speaker 8: based on information that was given to them originally. And

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Speaker 8: to me, that's very significant because investigators don't typically move

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Speaker 8: major search operations and unless they believe that the evidence

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Speaker 8: justifies it. So the key thing for me here is

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Speaker 8: that investigators changed the search because the evidence changed the search.

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Speaker 4: From what we know.

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Speaker 8: Authorities have not released the exact coordinates of where the

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Speaker 8: are searching a previously unsearched area of the Sea of Abaco,

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Speaker 8: and investigators have reportedly identified the location through electronic and

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Speaker 8: GPS evidence from Brian's digital devices and electronic devices. So

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Speaker 8: the Coastguard has divers, they have underwater search equipment and

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Speaker 8: multiple They've got multiple resources available to look for whatever

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Speaker 8: I think can help them get to the answers, whether

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Speaker 8: that's been at herself or any kind of evidence that

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Speaker 8: I think for me, finding out that they're going to

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Speaker 8: these never searched areas. I can't say that I'm surprised

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Speaker 8: with that, because from the very beginning, many of us

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Speaker 8: had a lot of questions with those recorded statements that

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Speaker 8: were released, and he had very very specific story with

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Speaker 8: very specific locations, and the fact that they're back out

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Speaker 8: in new locations tells me that we were correct from

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Speaker 8: the very beginning that this story just doesn't line up.

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Speaker 8: It doesn't make sense. And even the timeline from the

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Speaker 8: very beginning with it not being dark, with the depth

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Speaker 8: I think for me the most significant thing is his

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Speaker 8: original statements that he gave to multiple sources, by the way,

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Speaker 8: did not line up with what investigators ultimately found when

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Speaker 8: they reviewed his electronic devices.

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Speaker 1: Joining us tonight is a very special guest that we

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Speaker 1: have seen from Afar, we have prayed for, we have

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Speaker 1: thought about during all these days that her mother, Lynette

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Speaker 1: has been missing. Carly Aylesworth joining us tonight, Carly, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with.

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Speaker 2: Us, and thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I've got so many questions for you, but I'll just

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Speaker 1: start at the beginning. When did you learn your mom

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Speaker 1: was missing? How did you find that out?

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Speaker 3: Brian texting me saying call me at around nine eight

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Speaker 3: thirty at night. My grandma called me prior to that,

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Speaker 3: but I was napping so I didn't pick up.

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Speaker 2: But then he said call me.

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Speaker 3: I said, oh, two of my family members need me

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Speaker 3: to call them.

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Speaker 2: Something is happening.

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Speaker 3: So I answered, and I put it on speakerphone and

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Speaker 3: Steve was right next to me and he heard the

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Speaker 3: whole thing too, and Brian just said, hey, your mom

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Speaker 3: fell overboard. I threw her a life preserver, but she

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Speaker 3: I don't know if she got it. She's been missing

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Speaker 3: since last night around seven thirty. And Steve immediately stood

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Speaker 3: up and was like, something is off, something is sketchy

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Speaker 3: from that phone call. And I was still in shock.

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Speaker 3: I was just sitting there, like, what how do you

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Speaker 1: Carly. You stated just then that he Brian Hooker, your

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Speaker 1: mom's husband. It's your stepfather, right, yep, you stated he

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Speaker 1: said he threw her a life preserver. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And it's not even a life preserver. It's something that

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Speaker 3: you kneel on or sit on. It's like for gardening,

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Speaker 3: you something you kneel on, and it doesn't keep one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty pound person afloat, so it's not technically.

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Speaker 1: A life preserve, doesn't. Yeah, you know, and that's why

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Speaker 1: when you said he said he threw her a life preserver,

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Speaker 1: because to my memory and I don't have any notes

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Speaker 1: about it in front of me, he said he threw

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Speaker 1: her a seat cushion, but he told you he threw

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Speaker 1: her a life preserver.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And look, I've dived all over the world before I

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Speaker 1: had the twins. I gave it up because I thought

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Speaker 1: it was too dangerous. But you're right, Carly, A seat

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Speaker 1: hold anybody up in the water, much less in waves

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Speaker 1: he said had started, Yeah, exactly, but he told you

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Speaker 1: life preserver when we're talking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was supposedly found like four hundred feet

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Speaker 3: from the dinghy when it washed up to short when

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Speaker 3: he washed up to shore in Marsh Harbor.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know. It's just all subjective at the moment.

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Speaker 1: That's really interesting, Carly. Now I understand what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: and I agree with you, but could you explain why

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Speaker 3: I don't believe that it would wash up right next

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Speaker 3: to you, But my mom suddenly washed the other way.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't make sense exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's my thinking. I'm not tied in wave and current expert,

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Speaker 1: but if he washed that way, and the dinghy washed

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Speaker 1: why didn't she wash that way? And now, your mom

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Speaker 1: was an experienced sailor, she knew what to do if

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Speaker 1: she fell overboard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and where she fell in at we Steve and

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Speaker 3: I went and like retrace their steps that day, and

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Speaker 3: she could have swim a couple of feet to the side,

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Speaker 3: was really shallow. It's like a giant sandbar in between

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Speaker 3: the islands. So I'm just wondering, why was she swimming

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Speaker 2: Why did she grab the key on her way out?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: They see, that's another thing we've been talking about, and

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought it up, Curly, So let's

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Speaker 1: just go with your step far their story, Brian Hooker's

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Speaker 1: story that she quote bounced off the Dinghey, I still

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Speaker 1: don't know how she bounced off, but I'll get to

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Speaker 1: that you're saying if she fell in in the spot

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Speaker 1: where he described, Hey, let's see that control and let's

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Speaker 1: see that Matt that he sent. Instead of outing being

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Speaker 1: out looking for Lynette, he was on the phone gabbing

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Speaker 1: with friends for hours on end, putting his story out

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Speaker 1: there and sending maps. I mean, if my child or

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Speaker 1: husband fell overboard, I would not be on a conference

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Speaker 1: call on speaker with my friends trying to get my story.

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Speaker 1: I'd be looking. But you're hearing Carly Illsworth. This is

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Speaker 1: Lynette's daughter, her only biological daughter, and she's speaking there. Look,

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Speaker 1: Carly's saying that where her mom allegedly fell off the dinghy,

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Speaker 1: she only would have to swim a few feet and

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Speaker 1: stand up on a sandbar. That's all she had to do.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying, Carly?

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Speaker 2: Yep? Pretty much.

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Speaker 3: And they found two life jackets in the dinghy when

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Speaker 2: So that's she. I don't know how much she's talked

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Speaker 1: With us tonight. Carly Aylsworth, this is Lynette Hooker's only

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Speaker 2: It's just hard.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you have your boyfriend stay with you. What

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Speaker 2: You nine thirty the next day at night.

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Speaker 2: He called me and was like, hey, your mom fell overboard.

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Speaker 3: I try to throw a life to the preserves or her,

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Speaker 1: So he says she fell in. He threw her a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it took him nine hours to get to

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Speaker 1: He said, he paddled the other way away from your mother.

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Speaker 2: Because the wind was pushing it.

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Speaker 1: What happened after that phone call with your stepfather? When

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Speaker 3: Immediately after the phone call, I called my dad and

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Speaker 2: Because she couldn't get a hold of me.

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Speaker 3: And he's like, I was like, my mom's missing, and

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Speaker 2: So it was yeah, that's immediately what I did after.

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Speaker 1: When did you hear from him again? Cary?

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Speaker 3: He left me some voicemails and that they found the

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Speaker 1: What did they have to say?

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Speaker 3: He was just saying how he wishes he could be

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Speaker 1: Searching, what do you make of that evening's events? I

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Speaker 1: So when was the last time you actually spoke to your.

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Speaker 2: She seemed fine to me.

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Speaker 3: I asked her for advice and she was helping me

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Speaker 2: Money and all that.

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Speaker 3: So she just she only tells me like when she

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Speaker 3: So I know that they don't touch my mom's retirement

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Speaker 3: So they've been taking out of Brian's so I don't

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Speaker 1: So so they're living all of your mom's retirement is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she has like well over six hundred.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like the fat past last two years she

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Speaker 2: So I know it's pretty high.

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Speaker 1: And you know another thing about that, Curly is I

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Speaker 3: So my grandma said, my mom wanted hurt. My mom

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Speaker 3: they broke up two years ago, but she doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Know if my mom ever got around to doing that.

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Speaker 1: There have been reports that he took out a quarter

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Speaker 2: I do not.

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Speaker 3: I asked my lawyer if you could look into it,

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Speaker 2: into it. I still have to check back up with him.

444
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: To blame Stevenson. This is Brian Hooker's friend. He is

445
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: a voting expert and his wife is very very close

446
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: with Lynette. Mister Stevenson, thank you for being with us.

447
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: What do you make of this.

448
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 4: What I make from all of reports that have come

449
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: out is that there are people in the area. There

450
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 4: were people overlooking the area. I've gotten calls from people

451
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 4: who talk about different weather conditions in support and against

452
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: his claim. But what we do know is there were

453
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: people in the area. I do know that a human

454
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 4: yelling is louder than any splash I've ever heard. So

455
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 4: my problem is an hour of him yelling for his

456
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 4: wife isn't heard, but a splash is in the same

457
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 4: general vicinity. My problem is that he floated over to

458
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 4: marsh Harbor in the same weather conditions within three hours,

459
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 4: the same amount of time of that floatation device, which

460
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 4: doesn't have the same windage as his boat, ending up

461
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 4: within three hundred feet of where he was, but nothing

462
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 4: from Lynette ends up in the same spot. It's not

463
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 4: the it's not the brain did anything wrong. It's a

464
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 4: sense of evidence to support his story.

465
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 10: She basically just bounced off the dinghy in the middle

466
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 10: of a little blow like twenty some not winds that

467
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 10: popped up and on a three half mile maybe tripped

468
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 10: back to the.

469
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 11: Dingey and angle thing failed. Uh, every single thing we

470
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 11: weren't wearing, mic Jack.

471
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: It's if she.

472
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 9: It was sundown and the sun set like basically ten

473
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 9: minutes after she fell over, doing he kill her with

474
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 9: her because it wasn't clipped to anything or anybody, and

475
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 9: she had the spare dingey key in her dry bag

476
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 9: which was with her.

477
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 12: Yeah, it was inflated.

478
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 11: I mean inflated because it was folded.

479
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 12: But the wind blew us apart so fast that I

480
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 12: think I think she tried to swim back to the sailboat,

481
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 12: back to our sale boat, which is probably I don't know,

482
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 12: a thousand yards or something, but the ways for three

483
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 12: foot and I was trying to ship to oars and

484
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 12: one of the pends on the ars broken, dropped over

485
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 12: the side, and I was yelling for her the whole time.

486
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 12: And I yelled to her that I lost the ar

487
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 12: and I threw the anchor out and anchored the dinghy and.

488
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 13: Jesse, yeah, I yelled. I couldn't see her anymore. It

489
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 13: was it was the moon has not raisen yet.

490
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: That is from our friend Vanessa Waltz, the star of

491
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: Unmasked True crime Blaine Stevenson. Is that the yelling that

492
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: you're referring to that nobody heard that, but they did

493
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: hear a.

494
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: Splash, correct, I mean the time of night. He says

495
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 4: it happened at sunset in our community. That's when everybody's

496
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 4: on the back of their boat. If you're if you're home,

497
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 4: if you're a lover board, if you were in the area,

498
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: that's the best time to be outside because you're not

499
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 4: getting beat by the sun. You're not getting it's dinner time,

500
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 4: that's sundown or time. If you're out, you're out at

501
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: that time. The time. If I had to pick a

502
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 4: time for a tragedy to happen on the water in

503
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: an anchorage, I would pick that time because you're most

504
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 4: likely to get help, you're most likely to be heard,

505
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: you're most likely to be seen. So the fact that

506
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 4: he's screamed for an hour and we have no reports

507
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 4: of that five weeks in, but we have reports of

508
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: people who are up and around and on land far

509
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 4: enough away from soulmate, but could still hear a splash.

510
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: I'm trying to piece it together with the Brian I know,

511
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 4: and it's not working, and I really wish he would

512
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: start talking and explain it so that it makes sense

513
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: to us.

514
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: Blame. Have you asked him?

515
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 4: No, He's he's blocked everything on social media. I mean,

516
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 4: I can ask him right now, Brian, Let's go to

517
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 4: the Bahamas and look together, right. Uh. The easiest way

518
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 4: to shut up all the haters, as you call him

519
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 4: in comments, is let's grab me, you Dan, Let's let's

520
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 4: grab the whole team. Let's go find your wife, Let's

521
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: get closure. There's there's no reason, uh for me to

522
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: be on a computer and you to be where you are.

523
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 4: Let's be in the Bahamas, and let's go find.

524
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: Lynette blank saves. And do you think he'll take you

525
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: up on it?

526
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 4: I hope so the Brian I knew what of this

527
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: guy I've seen for the last five weeks. I don't

528
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 4: know what that guy would do. But the Brian I

529
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 4: knew would bring the people together, go fight the cause,

530
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 4: and go get the answers. And if in the process

531
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 4: it clears his name, great, You know, I don't. I

532
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 4: don't want Brian to be guilty. I just can mathematically

533
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 4: make it work. And I think that's the misconception is

534
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 4: nobody is going after Brian because they want to go

535
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 4: after Brian. Everyone's going after Brian's story because it's not working.

536
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 4: When was the last time a body went missing in

537
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 4: the water in the Bahamas and was not recovered in

538
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 4: the Abco area. So yeah, the mathematics behind this is

539
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 4: where Brian is a man of science. Brian taught me

540
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 4: a lot about boating. The longer we go and a

541
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 4: dry bag has not been found on shore. The longer

542
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 4: we go and a blue Columbia jacket has not washed up.

543
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 4: The longer we go, we get more information, we get

544
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: more speculation. When we don't get is any more confirmation

545
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 4: of his story?

546
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: You mentioned twenty nineteen.

547
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 4: Why, Uh, so I was trying to figure out. Oh,

548
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 4: I want to believe Brian. I want to I want

549
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 4: to understand so that I can keep my wife safe.

550
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: I want to make sure that the cascade of failures

551
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 4: that he went through we don't go through. But I

552
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 4: can't find a scenario that fits anybody falling off a

553
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: boat and their body not being recovered in that area.

554
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 4: There is an instant in twenty nineteen where a gentleman

555
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 4: left his fishing boat and was never found again. But

556
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 4: even that report shows like the gas tanks were tampered

557
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 4: with or something, so there was there was some jinky

558
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 4: stuff with that one. But the search and rescue guys

559
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: when they're being interviewed. Everybody who's being talked to, This

560
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: just doesn't happen there. And I do believe all the

561
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 4: sailors will say anything can happen at see. I've been

562
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 4: a part of it. Brian got me through a hurricane.

563
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 4: But it doesn't fit the terrain, and it doesn't fit

564
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 4: the night, and it doesn't fit the time of his story.

565
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: You stated that you have a mathematical issue. You can't

566
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: mathematically make his story work, and I agree with you.

567
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: What I would like to happen is that we find

568
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: Lynette alive. I don't think that's going to happen. I

569
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: hate to put that out there, and in the search

570
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: for her alive, but I think she would have been

571
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: in contact with her daughter by now if she were

572
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: alive and if she could reach her, which makes me

573
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: go to the next logical step is that she is dead.

574
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: And I'm examining his story and I want him to

575
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: be telling the truth. I don't want him to be

576
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: guilty as well. But his story doesn't add up to me.

577
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: So what about it? You can't mathematically make it work.

578
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: Two and two is not equaling four. What is the

579
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: issue that concerns you? The most.

580
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: The issue that concerns me the most is we do

581
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 4: know that the weather, like the lawyer said, at some

582
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 4: point that evening got bad. We have people that I

583
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 4: trust that we're boating in the area that report, Hey,

584
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: the weather got squarely that night. But the Sea Abaco

585
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 4: and the ant Pat's Anchorage and that area is completely different. Right.

586
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 4: So I talked to a gentleman who owns a house

587
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 4: on Elbow k and it looks out over the Sea Abaco,

588
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 4: and he said, yeah, you know, it got pretty choppy

589
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 4: out there, but that's over where that yellow line is

590
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 4: in your picture, not over where the red arrows are

591
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: in between the two land masses. And if he if

592
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: the weather and wind was that bad and he's in

593
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: a dinghi and the wind is blowing him to Marsh Harbor,

594
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 4: the timeframe to get to Marsh Harbor doesn't add up

595
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 4: to me. And the fact that when search and rescue

596
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 4: was out three hours later they see the green float.

597
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: He threw, how does the float float within three hour

598
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 4: timeframe of the dean it to end up within three

599
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 4: hundred yards of each other, three hundred feet of each other?

600
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 4: As he says, you know, I went out and I

601
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 4: tried this. I threw a dry bag off of my boat,

602
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: and I've seen how fast I separated from it. And

603
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 4: a dry bag has more windage than that green float

604
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 4: and my Deani drifted away from it at a rapid pace.

605
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 4: There for both of them to end up in Marsh

606
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 4: Harbor within three hours of each other. The math isn't math.

607
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: Also with us, Jordan Plants, a neighbor of Lynette and

608
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: Brian Hooker. Jordan lives across the street from Brian and Lynette. Jordan,

609
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us tonight, along

610
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: with Vanessa Walt. What was the nature of their relationship, Jordan.

611
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 5: It's their mom's house that lives across from me, but

612
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 5: they stay here in the off season when they're not sailing,

613
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 5: so I know them in this neighborhood. We kind of

614
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 5: grew up together for years. You know, everyone has lived

615
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 5: here four years, like my family's been on.

616
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: This lake for eighty years.

617
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 5: But they would live here when their mom would go

618
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 5: to Florida when they're not sailing. But the nature of

619
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 5: their relationship, like I said in the Detroit News, when

620
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 5: I just woke up from a night shift, I said,

621
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not surprised because I knew from her mom,

622
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 5: you know, there was some domestic violence going on, a

623
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 5: pattern of it, and there was a time, I think

624
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 5: two years ago, she let me know that Lynette was

625
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 5: staying at her house to like kind of get away

626
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 5: from that relationship, right, So she stayed there for a

627
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 5: few months, and then she ended up getting back with Brian.

628
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 5: From my understanding, but I never really dug into it

629
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 5: as much. You know, they stored their truck in my backyard.

630
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 5: You know, their cars across the street. But you know,

631
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 5: I knew that something was going on from her mom, Darlene.

632
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 5: And right now, I think it's tough because you want

633
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 5: to support the family and trying to find Lynette, because

634
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 5: it doesn't make sense. Right where we grow up, like

635
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 5: everybody is a good swimmer. We spend every hour we

636
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 5: can in the summer on the lake. You know, even

637
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 5: Lynette grew up here and she It just doesn't make sense.

638
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: You're saying, Jordan Plants, it doesn't make sense because Lynette

639
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: is such a great swimmer and spends a lot of

640
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: time on the water. You do believe it would have

641
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: happened like this, what?

642
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 5: No, she grew up sailing. I mean, even with her dad,

643
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 5: even as a kid, she was sailing. They have a

644
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 5: sailboat her mom does in the garage that they practice

645
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 5: sailing on before they could walk. So it doesn't make

646
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 5: sense to me, and the story doesn't add up, and

647
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 5: it's it's tough because you know, somebody lost their daughter

648
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 5: and their mother and now she's still not found.

649
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: Jordan Plants, I want you to live. Listen very carefully

650
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: to the sound that we have obtained from Vanessa Waltz,

651
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: who is with us, the star of Unmasked True Crime.

652
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: Here is the husband's explanation. It's long, it's rambling, it's circuitous,

653
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: but it's very probative. See if this rings true in

654
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: your mind, Jordan Plants, Okay, let's listen. I'll be caught

655
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: on tape.

656
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 10: She basically just bounced off the dinghy in the middle

657
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 10: of a little blow like twenty some nine winds that

658
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 10: popped up and on a pretty cool half mile maybe

659
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Speaker 10: tripped back.

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Speaker 11: To the Guinea Angle. Thing failed, Uh, every single thing.

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Speaker 11: We weren't wearing my JACKET'SFCI.

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Speaker 9: It was sundown and the sunset like basically ten minutes after.

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Speaker 14: She fell over.

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Speaker 11: Killed her with her because it wasn't clip to anything

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Speaker 11: or anybody, and she had the spare dinghy key in

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Speaker 11: her dry bag, which was with her.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it was inflated.

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Speaker 13: I mean inflated because it was folded.

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Speaker 12: But the wind blew us apart so fast that I

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Speaker 12: think I think she tried to swim back to the sailboat,

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Speaker 12: back to our sailboat, which was probably I don't know,

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Speaker 12: a thousand yards or something.

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Speaker 13: But the wigs were three foot and I was trying

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Speaker 13: to ship to oars and one of the pends on

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Speaker 13: the oars broken, dropped over the side, and I was

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Speaker 13: yelling for her the whole time, and I yelled to

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Speaker 13: her that I lost the or, and I threw the

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Speaker 13: anchor out and anchored the dinghy and just yeah, I yelled.

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Speaker 13: I couldn't see her anymore. It was it was. The

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Speaker 13: mood has not risen yet.

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Speaker 1: Now you've heard that recorded conversation, and I imagine there

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Speaker 1: will be more. What do you think.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of hard to digest. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 5: it's sad knowing that she had all the support to

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Speaker 5: leave didn't leave, and now we're still searching.

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Speaker 1: For her body.

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Speaker 5: And I do believe like he's the only person that

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Speaker 5: knows the truth, and I think that he needs to

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Speaker 5: stay there until the truth comes out, because Darlene and

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Speaker 5: her daughter Carly deserves that, truthfully, and nothing's going to

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Speaker 5: bring her back. But I think finding a body and

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Speaker 5: then also finding the truth, I think more pressure we're

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Speaker 5: gonna know what really happened to Lynette. And it just

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Speaker 5: breaks my heart for the family. I just I can't imagine.

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Speaker 5: I'm a mother and losing my daughter doesn't matter what age.

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Speaker 5: I just I feel so heavy for that family, and

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Speaker 5: we're all really close in this community, so it's just

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Speaker 5: it's a hard hit.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jordan, what can you tell me about the times

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Speaker 1: that Lynette Hooker actually moved out, according to reports, because

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Speaker 1: of domestic violence.

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Speaker 5: I Darlene just kind of let me know because I

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Speaker 5: kind of watch over the house when she's in Florida, like, hey,

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Speaker 5: Lenette's going to be there. You know, they're not really

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Speaker 5: getting along. She's moving out. I don't really question it.

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Speaker 5: She didn't really come out of the house much. I mean,

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Speaker 5: if she wasn't working, she would just stay in. It's

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Speaker 5: cold here, so there's not much to do in the

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Speaker 5: winter time, so I didn't really see her as much.

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Speaker 5: I would just check in with Darlene and ask her

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Speaker 5: how she's doing, and then I would see him come

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Speaker 5: randomly one day and I'd be confused, and then she'd

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Speaker 5: be gone, and then they're off sailing again in their sailboat.

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Speaker 1: Vanessa waltsh joining us and mass True Crime podcast. What

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Speaker 1: do you know regarding corroboration of those times Lynette would leave?

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Speaker 14: So there were a few things I noticed in their

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00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 14: social media as far as they're posting, that could point

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Speaker 14: to some potential red flags leading up to her disappearance.

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Speaker 14: So I went through the Hooker's YouTube channel post by post,

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Speaker 14: and their pattern of posting was pretty consistent. It was

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Speaker 14: every one to three days up until March. So on

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Speaker 14: March tenth, Lynette's posts she posts a normal video and

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Speaker 14: then the channel goes completely dark for nine days, which

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Speaker 14: is the longest gap by far going back months. Bennette's

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Speaker 14: mother says that Lynette purchased a one way plane ticket

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Speaker 14: to leave Brian. It was scheduled for March eleventh, the

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Speaker 14: day after that post, but she never gone on the plane.

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Speaker 14: And then after that nine day gap, Lynette starts posting

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Speaker 14: again like normal on March nineteenth, So My question was,

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Speaker 14: you know what happened during that those nine days. Did

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Speaker 14: Brian find out that she was going to leave to

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Speaker 14: be found out about the plane ticket? Did this cause

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Speaker 14: even more tension and they're already troubled relationship. I just

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Speaker 14: thought it was an interesting gap from their normal posting.

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Speaker 15: Doctor Bethany Marshall Way in so many risk factors for

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Speaker 15: violence here, one noteworthy one is that he choked her

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Speaker 15: to the point where she felt a pop in her neck.

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Speaker 15: Nancy selling her house if she sold it to make

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Speaker 15: him happy, and she did not want to sell it,

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Speaker 15: that tells me that he's liquidating her access her assets,

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Speaker 15: so he could potentially have access to them. How do

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Speaker 15: they afford to be out on the water for ten

743
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Speaker 15: years not working. She wants to go back to work,

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Speaker 15: but he is discouraging it. And this is what abusers

745
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 15: do to the victims. They isolate them from their friends

746
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Speaker 15: and from the rest of society so they can have

747
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Speaker 15: control over them, and they do discourage them from having

748
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 15: their own separate resources. So as this case progresses, I'm

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Speaker 15: going to ask a few questions and look, did he

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Speaker 15: have a girlfriend, what were his online habits? Was he

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00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 15: chatting with somebody looking at pornography excessively, who had access

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Speaker 15: to her bank account?

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Speaker 2: Did he have access?

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Speaker 15: Was there money being moved around at the time of

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Speaker 15: her death?

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Speaker 16: I asked Brian, where's Lynette? And he said, well, we're

757
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Speaker 16: not getting along. We're separated, and I don't know when

758
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Speaker 16: we're going to get back together if we get back together. Basically,

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Speaker 16: I don't think Lynette and Brian should have been together.

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Speaker 16: It just seemed like it got bad. Lynette should never

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Speaker 16: be in that water, and I feel for her daughter,

762
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Speaker 16: and I can't even imagine it. I can't even imagine it.

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Speaker 1: That is Donna Hooker, Brian Hooker's stepmother, from our friends

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Speaker 1: at WZZM joining us our friend Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations

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Speaker 1: USPA nation Wide Security, leading a team of investigators around

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Speaker 1: the world, including the Bahamas, finding and extracting missing people.

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Speaker 1: He is a former Marine Iraqi war Vet. Brian, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us now. I want to go

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Speaker 1: back to where the search is happen now. When it

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Speaker 1: began leaving the water, According to what we've been told,

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Speaker 1: it started on the edges of the land where her

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Speaker 1: body could have floated after going overboard, but it's past that.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, at least Nancy, we know that extensive canine searches

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Speaker 17: have happened, not only over the water. These canines are

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Speaker 17: able to detect anything coming up from under over thirty

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Speaker 17: feet of water, believe it or not, So that search

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Speaker 17: took place. They searched the shoreline and they also extensively

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Speaker 17: searched Abaco Island Elbow k where they were in their

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Speaker 17: final recorded moments together. So you know, a lot's going

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Speaker 17: to unfold here. I'm keen to find out the digital

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Speaker 17: evidence in this case.

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Speaker 1: Explain.

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Speaker 17: I want to know if Brian attempted to make a

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Speaker 17: call during this multi hour period that he was traversing

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00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 17: or allegedly traversing from Abaco to Marsh Harbor. So did

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Speaker 17: he try to make a call? Is there any information

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00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 17: from Lynette's recovered Apple watch that, according to some photos

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00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 17: posted online, were with her at the Abaco Inn just

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Speaker 17: moments minutes before she would have gotten onto this dinghy.

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Speaker 17: And then the last piece of information is did that

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Speaker 17: soulmate vessel move and does it contradict anything Brian gave

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Speaker 17: in his multi hour statement to police.

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Speaker 1: You were talking about canines searching land and water. Here's

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Speaker 1: canine specialist Dave Moyer. First of all, canacadaver dog pick

795
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Speaker 1: up the scent of a dead body in water?

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Speaker 18: Yes, ma'am, they absolutely can. As a matter of fact,

797
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 18: there's a whole extension of the could ever discipline that

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00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 18: focuses primarily on dogs on boats being able to detect

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00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 18: people in the water column. The circumstances of this case

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00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 18: make it exceedingly difficult for these canines to actually be

801
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 18: able to accomplish this due to the duration a sense

802
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 18: this action event actually occurred, and all of the live

803
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 18: dynamic action of that salt water, sallow, shallow, warm, salt

804
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 18: water is just full of all kinds of predatory creatures, currents,

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00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 18: and environmental conditions that quite honestly would bring a body

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00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 18: to the surface very rapidly.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about Lynette's disappearance,

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00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: please call toll free eight hundred four two four eight

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00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: eight zero two repeat eight hundred four two four eight

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Speaker 1: eight zero two for the US Coast Guards. An American hero,

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Speaker 1: Deputy Sheriff Douglas Hannah Washdot County Sheriff's, Oklahoma, killed in

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Speaker 1: the line of duty, leaving behind two sons without a dad.

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Speaker 1: Kellen and Kyler American Hero Deputy Sheriff Douglas Hannah, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much to Carley for being with us tonight,

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Speaker 1: and also to you for keeping the search for Lynette

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Speaker 1: Hooker alive. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight. I'll see

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow night, and until then, good night, friend,