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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: We we spend a good amount of time here on

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Speaker 1: And we do this as a unit. The most important

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Speaker 1: part of the show is you. We've said it pretty often,

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Speaker 1: and uh, what do you think us? You want? Get

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Speaker 1: to it shot at Konners. Let's get started with a

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Speaker 1: note from Zeke, who wrote us an email. Zeke is

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Speaker 1: interested in something that he refers to as empaths, So

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Speaker 1: as far as a psychiatric diagnosis, what is called psychopathy,

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Speaker 1: second point here that you may find interesting Zeke and

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Speaker 1: it's something that our buddies over at Stuff you should know,

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Speaker 1: This is a recent one that goes that follows up

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Speaker 1: the conspiracy of the missing butt the case the missing

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Speaker 1: but well, Riley, thank you, Thank you so much we

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Speaker 1: have for anybody who has checked out our YouTube show,

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Speaker 1: or you can also see it on Amazon and Spotify. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and stay tuned because we're doing some some things with that.

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Speaker 1: You can see that this is this is something that's

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Speaker 1: come up to us before. We've had people right in

434
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Speaker 1: to say, you know, you work for an intelligence agency.

435
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Speaker 1: You're here to throw us off the trace. And I

436
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Speaker 1: can assure you that if I work for an intelligence agency,

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Speaker 1: first off, I don't know that no one ever told me,

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Speaker 1: and secondly they're not paying me enough. But but I mean, honestly,

439
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Speaker 1: you know, honestly that that is a logical questions one.

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Speaker 1: That's what we've had before. But I I think it

441
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Speaker 1: comes from a place where you look at some some

442
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Speaker 1: people who do work in the same kind of field

443
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Speaker 1: this show works in. Who do come off as if

444
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Speaker 1: there's some sort of disinformation, not like as you're not

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Speaker 1: disinformation that these aren't all going to work. But the

446
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Speaker 1: my point is, you know, we've had people before who

447
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Speaker 1: said that they think Alex Jones is a shill or

448
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Speaker 1: a government asset. Poor Jones. Come on, guys, he thinks

449
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: everybody else's well, here's an well, here's another thing. And

450
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Speaker 1: I'm not These are not shots fired, These are observations.

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Speaker 1: What what does it do when it does it sound

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Speaker 1: strange to anyone else when there's a show about, oh,

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Speaker 1: the imminent collapse of the fiat currency that is the

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Speaker 1: US dollar, and it's very it's very alarmist. And I've

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Speaker 1: checked out the information. We've done it too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's there's no there's no other case to be made.

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Speaker 1: It is pretty much a fiat currency. It's based on

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Speaker 1: people's perception of value rather than intrinsic value. Now, but

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Speaker 1: it really weakens the case when this that episode is

460
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Speaker 1: brought to you by people who want you to buy goal.

461
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. And I'm I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: I can see where that disconnect is. I don't know

463
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Speaker 1: about you. Guys know that. No, don't know about Scully.

464
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Speaker 1: But I don't see any government government spooks in the squad.

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Speaker 1: So that must mean if one of us is, they

466
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Speaker 1: must be really good. It's definitely not all of us

467
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Speaker 1: because I'm not. I have a conspiracy. Yeah, maybe I'm

468
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Speaker 1: a mole a moment. I was kind of brought in,

469
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Speaker 1: you know, late in the game, sort of accepted me

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Speaker 1: into your your ranks, gave me the keys to the kingdom,

471
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Speaker 1: as it were, and you knew our boss. I know

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Speaker 1: your boss. Oh yes, I mean you know, But what

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Speaker 1: would would it be more in my best interest to

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Speaker 1: to posit that if it were true or if it

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Speaker 1: were not true? Am I trying to throw you off

476
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Speaker 1: my mole scent? Right? This is like the discussion of

477
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Speaker 1: the poison wine and Prince Mamole hair Mamo hair jacket,

478
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Speaker 1: notebook mode sauce. Yeah, now, seriously, guys, I'm I'm not,

479
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Speaker 1: but you know that that's that's that's something that's fine

480
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: about this conspiracy stuff overall to me, you know, whether

481
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Speaker 1: you are all in, half in all out, it reveals

482
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Speaker 1: things about the thought process and about the way we

483
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Speaker 1: view the world. Just talking about even the most outlandish

484
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Speaker 1: of conspiracy theories. Well here's another thing too, and I'm

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Speaker 1: always going to jump into to highlight this very important point.

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Speaker 1: There is a false dichotomy that exists in real life

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Speaker 1: and on the Internet between people so called skeptics and

488
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Speaker 1: so called conspiracy theorist. The idea and said it before,

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Speaker 1: the idea that, um, some outlandish theory like a timecube

490
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Speaker 1: hypothesis or whatever he calls it. UH and HSBC laundry

491
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Speaker 1: money for drug cartel are the same thing or should

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Speaker 1: be treated with the same degree of plausibility. It is

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Speaker 1: a rhetorical tactic used to dismiss real things that one

494
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Speaker 1: organization or another doesn't want you to know. So when

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Speaker 1: you have friends who describe themselves as skeptics and then

496
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: immediately dismiss something because as the label conspiracy theory on, it,

497
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 1: remind them that the essence of skepticism is critical thinking.

498
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Speaker 1: Essence of skepticism is not reacting to a term and

499
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Speaker 1: letting that term UH function as a shortcut to circumvent

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Speaker 1: actual analysis, and that that's it. I think that's a

501
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Speaker 1: very important term, and it always makes my day when

502
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Speaker 1: somebody writes to us and says you know, I'm a skeptic.

503
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: I appreciate the way that you're doing this, or I

504
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: think you guys could have gone further. Here's what I believe,

505
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Speaker 1: and we do our best to as an all set

506
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Speaker 1: explore some things that other shows just don't I don't know,

507
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Speaker 1: maybe they're scared to touch it. And while we're delving

508
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: into this, do you guys want to hear a laundry

509
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: list of uh some topic suggestions? Let me see what

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Speaker 1: you guys think. Okay, so Metal Wolf rites to us, says, Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: I recently subscribed to stuff then once you know, and

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Speaker 1: finished four hundred and sixty eight episodes in two weeks.

513
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Speaker 1: I know, I it's his episodes, so maybe a mix, uh,

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Speaker 1: I am hooked. I would like to recommend a couple

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00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: of ideas from new episodes. I'm want to read these

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Speaker 1: two guys, I want to hear like reactions and listeners.

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Speaker 1: Please let us know if you think this is interesting too. Alright, So, First,

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Speaker 1: the Korean War, could a nuclear strike have ended the

519
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Speaker 1: war with North Korea? Second, Korean Airlines UH Flight Double

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Speaker 1: O seven was the reason behind the shooting. Next, the

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Speaker 1: Spanish American War in the Philippines, which a lot of

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Speaker 1: Americans aren't really conscious of. UH, ghost ship and the

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Speaker 1: Orong Madon, che Guevera and uh. He says, these are

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Speaker 1: current ideas in my head at the moment, I'll think

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Speaker 1: of more an email to you guys. Thanks and deafly.

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Speaker 1: Here's where things get crazy. I'd like to learn more

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Speaker 1: about trego Vera. I think that's that's pretty cool. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the stuff they don't want you to

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Speaker 1: know is, perhaps his connections two differing organizations. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Honestly, I don't know, but that sounds

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Speaker 1: interesting to me. What was the first one that he suggested?

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Speaker 1: The first one that he suggested was the story of

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Speaker 1: the Korean War, which is he also mentioned could a

534
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Speaker 1: nuclear strike and prevented had ended the war in North Korea?

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Speaker 1: Because as we know, the Korean War is still continuing.

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Speaker 1: Technically there's an armistice, an increasingly unstable one, but technically

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Speaker 1: the war is still continuing. We've always been at war

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Speaker 1: with Eurasia or East Asia, Oceanica, so there's a lot

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Speaker 1: to dig in. Their listeners, let us know if any

540
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: of those ideas really spark your interests. As for the

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Speaker 1: Arong Madon or Medan. It's a ghost ship that came

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Speaker 1: a according to this story, became a shipwreck in the

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Speaker 1: Dutch East Indies waters after its crew, entire crew died

544
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Speaker 1: under suspicious circumstances. It's the best way to say it.

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Speaker 1: And this this happened the earliest references back in the fifties,

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Speaker 1: and now it's kind of a modern legend. Wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that one's interesting. Thanks so much, Thanks so much, metal Wolf,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, metal Wolf. And now we're moving on to Rusty.

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Speaker 1: It's a quick one here it comes you ready, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what about a show about these creepy clown sightings? Guys? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that came up on our secret trip as well. Um,

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Speaker 1: not mainly just in punchy car banter, but yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if it feels like what started off as a hoax

554
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Speaker 1: or as sort of a prank has either through copycatting

555
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Speaker 1: and just escalation, become a genuine threat. I mean, people

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Speaker 1: are hiding out in the woods wearing clown costumes and

557
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Speaker 1: attacking passers by, and I think just the other day, um,

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Speaker 1: one of them got shot in the face, one of

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Speaker 1: the clowns. Clowns. Yeah, people are you know, regardless of

560
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: fouls started. People are increasingly picking up this trend and

561
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: dressing these clowns, and it's escalated right as as you said. No, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's becoming a more and more common thing. And there's

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Speaker 1: something strange and sinister about wearing another face and becoming

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Speaker 1: another person, you know. So I think we I think

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Speaker 1: we could take a look at that, because in the

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Speaker 1: post gay sy environment, you know, other other cultures love clowns.

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Speaker 1: When I was living abroad, there were there. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: a party unless there was a clown there. And it's

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Speaker 1: because a lot of people weren't aware of, you know,

570
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Speaker 1: the West strange fascination with clowns as agents of chaos

571
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Speaker 1: and change. And Dinger speaking of kids and clowns, New

572
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Speaker 1: Haven Public schools in New Haven, Connecticut won't be able

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Speaker 1: to dress up as clowns this year. Guys. They got banned.

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Speaker 1: The clown costumes got banned. I mean, let's be real.

575
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Speaker 1: Is that that big of a loss. I mean, clowns

576
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Speaker 1: are weird, man, And you know, and now now that

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that, I'm sure there are some genuine clowns

578
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Speaker 1: out there who would take issue with all of this

579
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: and feel like it is just dragging their good names

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Speaker 1: through the mud. And I feel for that, I really do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, clowning, potentially, when done with good intent, is

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Speaker 1: a noble profession. I mean, you know, and um in

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Speaker 1: an ancient art, and an ancient art, the ancient art

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Speaker 1: of clowning. And I'm not I'm not not being a

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Speaker 1: jerk here. I hate that, you know, a couple of

586
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Speaker 1: bad eggs are ruining the whole egg bucket for these

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Speaker 1: clowns out there. I think it's the travesty as as

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Speaker 1: our boy d Trump would say, Uh, it's sad. Yes,

589
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Speaker 1: it's a disgrace, as DT would as d T would say, uh.

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Speaker 1: And it's strange too, because you know, this is a

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Speaker 1: serious pursuit where people will spend years perfecting an art

592
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Speaker 1: or craft and then maybe somebody who's a criminal will

593
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Speaker 1: just dress up in a in a very low rent

594
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Speaker 1: party city type Halloween costume and then perpetrating These guys

595
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Speaker 1: probably can't even juggle, Yeah, they probably you know, ride

596
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Speaker 1: in regular size because it's probably only three of them

597
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Speaker 1: in the car. I know I'm making like guys, I'm

598
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Speaker 1: doing it again, but I'm serious. Are there are any

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Speaker 1: professional clowns out there? We really are interested? How is

600
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: this a phenomenon affecting you? Um? You know, are you

601
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: getting booked less? Are you seeing people looking at you differently?

602
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I know the idea of calorophobia.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's what it's called, right, Ben, is a

604
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Speaker 1: is a phenomenon that that I'm sure you know causes

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Speaker 1: some distrust of clowns in certain circles. But this is

606
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: get pretty ridiculous. So any clowns out there right to us,

607
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: let us know how this is affecting your bottom line. Yeah, fantastic,

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Speaker 1: and thank you so much, Rusty. Our next our next

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Speaker 1: layer comes from Edwin, who says I would love to

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Speaker 1: someday see an episode exploring the connection between widespread hallucinogen

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Speaker 1: used during the sixties and the government. While Tim Leary

612
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: was at Harvard, CIA agents were stationed on the campus.

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Speaker 1: Gordon Wassan had his ties to big banks, and more

614
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Speaker 1: than a few people suspect that Hate Ashbury served as

615
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Speaker 1: a free range test of the effects of LSD and

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Speaker 1: other experimental agents. Combined this with the connection between the

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Speaker 1: Manson family and I Hate Ashbury Free Clinic, and I

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Speaker 1: think you have an episode for further reading. Look into

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Speaker 1: Jan Irvin it. Yeah, we've done. We've looked at several

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Speaker 1: of these um Edwin. We've looked at the mk Ultra connections.

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Speaker 1: We've looked at in our serial Killer Cults episode, which

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Speaker 1: was that series was way back in the day. We

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Speaker 1: looked at the tentative connections between scientology and Charles Manson

624
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Speaker 1: during his incarceration, some of the experiments that the Kazynski

625
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: who would later become the UNI bomber, participated in in college.

626
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Speaker 1: And is it is it related? Is there's something deeper here?

627
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Speaker 1: Is there a web rather than a single spider? Yeah,

628
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Speaker 1: we had we had several people writing about Mockingbird Project

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Speaker 1: Mockingbird UM or maybe it's Operation mocking Bird, whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: Mockingbird because that that encompasses MK Ultra and several other

631
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Speaker 1: things that we've looked at in the past. So we

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Speaker 1: are on it, Edwin. Stay tuned, and in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: remember when we mentioned these past episodes. If you haven't

634
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Speaker 1: checked them out yet, you can find all the audio

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Speaker 1: episodes of our website stuff they don't want you to

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Speaker 1: know dot com and you can find various things scattered

637
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: about the web on us, YouTube, Amazon, various bits of

638
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: Internet detritus debris. So who's who's next? Guys? All right,

639
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Speaker 1: I've got one from Amber here with with some great

640
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: show ideas. Amber says, recently got into your show and

641
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: I am in love. But I noticed that you guys

642
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: haven't done any episodes related to our very messed up

643
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Speaker 1: healthcare system. UM. And you know we've we've done some.

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Speaker 1: We've done big Pharma. UM, that's the one that comes

645
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Speaker 1: to mind. Can you guys think of any other ones

646
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: that we've done that might relate to that? Uh, let's see,

647
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: we've done some stuff that ties into healthcare for veterans,

648
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: like depleted uranium and rack on agent orange. And we

649
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Speaker 1: have not done we haven't we haven't done some of

650
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: the vast healthcare conspiracies. But we've we've done like Origins

651
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: of Disease with Big Pharma Superbug. Superbug was Yeah, that's

652
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Speaker 1: a great exact. I think maybe let's see, let's see

653
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Speaker 1: where we go with this. UM, So some examples might

654
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: be uh. Amber's email says how difficult it is to

655
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Speaker 1: get coverage, especially birth control, and how millions of people

656
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: are in debt because of necessary but far too expensive

657
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: hospital visits. UM. That's something that affects me personally, and

658
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Speaker 1: I would love to hear your thoughts on it. Also,

659
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: how about student loans Sally May, come on, guys, that

660
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: could be at least a two parter. Oh gosh, my

661
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: other girlfriend, Sally May, she's her girlfriend. She is gonna

662
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: it's a long term relationship, my man, Yeah, she is.

663
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: She's accustomed to a certain lifestyle. See, she's my wife's

664
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Speaker 1: like girlfriend. Really killing me? What a time to be alive. Indeed,

665
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: all right, so let's let's move on. It looks like

666
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Speaker 1: already we're not you know, we're not going to be

667
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: able to get to everything here. But we uh we

668
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: hope this is inspiring folks to feel welcome to write

669
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Speaker 1: into us. Uh, I've got another quick one, Yeah, Susan

670
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: wrote to us on email. She asks, is Big Sugar

671
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: the next or the new big to bacco? Now let's

672
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: think about what that means, right, So big tobaccos the

673
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: I guess it's referring to the idea that everyone smoked

674
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Speaker 1: during a long period of time there, especially here in

675
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: the US. And then we started realizing, wait, the science

676
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: is coming out that this smoking does some bad things

677
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: to the people who take part in it. Then the

678
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: big companies fought against these findings and then created their

679
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: own research research groups that would then you know, counteract

680
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Um, it seems the science is

681
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: coming out that sugar is a lot more dangerous for

682
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: humans than we ever thought. Uh, we're changing up the

683
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: way labels are on drinks and other foods, like about

684
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Speaker 1: how much added sugar there is, how many Graham's um

685
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: our producer here, Paul Decant, is extremely interested in this

686
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: topic and I know he's doing research on it right now.

687
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: So what what this refers to is in recent news, Uh,

688
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: this past few months, oh, the public came to find

689
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: that the sugar companies intentionally use their influence to finance

690
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: studies that shifted the focus of heart damage from sugar

691
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: too fat. And these were decades old documents. This is

692
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: some real Edward Burnet's type stuff here. Specifically, they paid

693
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Speaker 1: Harvard scientists to do this. And and it's weird because

694
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, as you know, if you've read anything about

695
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: nutrition online week to week, there's a new miracle food

696
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: and a new hidden danger. Drinking coffee gives you cancer,

697
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: but also just you know, prevents Alzheimer's and what else?

698
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: What else would be another one case, a diaz will

699
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: give you brain damage but also may give you the

700
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: ability to turn into a lynx. You know it just

701
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: it gets strange. But there is some pretty solid evidence

702
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: that there was collusion on part of UH some manufacturers too,

703
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: to mislead the public about the potential harmful effects of

704
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: excessive sugar. But it sounds like an episode, especially now

705
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: we're hearing you know a lot about um how fat,

706
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: which is again what they shifted the blame to. And

707
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: certain doses and certain types of fats are actually good

708
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, occur naturally regardless of your diet. Whatever. Guys,

709
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: I feel like it's all just this one big roller

710
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: coaster of fats good. Note now it's bad. Now sugar

711
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: is good. Note no, now it's bad. Now carbs are good.

712
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: Note they're the worst. Nope, it's protein. You need the protein. Yeah,

713
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the next one. And what money it

714
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: would be to what money to be had? Can you

715
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: imagine by predicting the next fad? You know, whoever bought

716
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: a kale farm in just cash? And all right, I

717
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: have I have one and this will probably be the

718
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: last one for me for now, just because as we

719
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: could do. We could make this a two part three

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Speaker 1: parter um. So here's the story about cattle mutilation from

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Speaker 1: Sarah S. Hi, guys, I'm a new listener. I decided

722
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: to write in after I heard your cattle mutilation episode,

723
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: only used my first name. Please, this is a real story,

724
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: and don't say you think it's fake if you read

725
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: it on the podcast. So we're not going to pass

726
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: in judgment. I was about eight or nine years old

727
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: at the time, and I went to one of my

728
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: granddad's farms with him, and we had gone around checking

729
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: cows and we got to a very remote pasture. We

730
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: found a dead cow. Her eyes were missing and she

731
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: had this medicinal smell along with surgical cuts. As my

732
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: granddad what it was, and he just roughly said coyotes

733
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Speaker 1: most likely. We had to chain her to the back

734
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Speaker 1: of the truck and drag her to the woods. He

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00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: seemed pretty worried, so I shut up. Neither of us

736
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Speaker 1: said anything the whole way back to the house, and

737
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: we got back to the house. My grammy asked what

738
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 1: was wrong, and we both said that a cow died,

739
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: but nothing else. After that, everything was totally normal for us. Anyway,

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00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: we're up pretty late because we always get back really

741
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: really late. About a seven o'clock. We saw a weird

742
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: guy in the front yard. But he wasn't like a

743
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: man in black or somebody in a cult. He was

744
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: just there and that is how that is how it ends.

745
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: So Sarah, thank you for writing to us. We haven't

746
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: had too many firsthand accounts of seeing cattle mulation. And

747
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: when we did that episode, you know, we looked into

748
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: a lot of the possible causes and we found I

749
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: don't know about you guys, but I found some stuff

750
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: that convinced me, at least in some cases it was

751
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 1: not just an animal animal predation and scavengers or or

752
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: it's a it's violent humans practicing their eventual work that

753
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: they're going to do work. I remember that was that

754
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: was an interesting way of looking at it, disturbingly, especially

755
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: given the blood being drained and they're not being evidence

756
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: of blood. You gotta wonder someone was draining at using

757
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: tools and um surgical to being maybe taking the blood

758
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: away to use four things. Sounds like the ice truck killer. Yeah,

759
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: and alwaysh that show didn't jump the sharks so much.

760
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, Yeah, I was so great in the beginning,

761
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: and then also, uh news for anyone who has like

762
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: like Matt and Noel and myself and our our puddy

763
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: Scott Benjamin, anyone who has an abiding fascination with serial killers.

764
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: There's a new one suspected in Japan. Do you guys

765
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: hear about this? I did not. They've been somebody's been

766
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: poisoning elderly patients, about forty eight of them. Yeah, unidentified

767
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: at this point, but they may have ghosted or they

768
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: may have not been caught yet. So check that out

769
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: and stay tuned. We'll let you know if we have

770
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: any anymore. I guess we got time for a couple more.

771
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: You each want to take a take a shot of one.

772
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: I've got a fast one here. Then you were gonna

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00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: love this one. It comes from Jennifer for She wrote

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00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: to us on Facebook. She says, I don't know if

775
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: this subject is in your real house or not. I

776
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: think it is, yeah, but I think it's interesting. I

777
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: also don't know how much real info there is about this,

778
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: but I thought i'd pass it along. Also, I love

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00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: you guys. Thanks Jennifer. When I found you, I started

780
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: binging while trying to keep up with current shows. Now

781
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: I keep current and try to binge with the archives regularly,

782
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: and you guys do not disappoint. Oh man, I thought

783
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: there was gonna be something else in here. But well,

784
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: that's very kind thing. Yeah, thank you Jennifer. But she

785
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: she sent us this thing from the Des Moines Register.

786
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: It's an article and the title is mysterious winged creature

787
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: still hunted in small Iowa town. What is it encrypted?

788
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: You bet it is. It's called well, it's referred to,

789
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: at least in this one book as the Van Meter visitor, right, yes,

790
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: And the story goes over several weeks three a group

791
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: of prominent men reported seeing a half human half animal

792
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: with the enormous smooth bat wings, fast moving, smelled terrible,

793
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: shot a blinding light out of its horned head and

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00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: what Yeah, and they said they ran it. There were

795
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: several run ins. Allegedly looks like a pterodactyl. Yeah. It

796
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: disappeared in the shaft of a coal mine. And then

797
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: some folks set out to research the incident. This is

798
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: I love all of this. We haven't done a cryptic

799
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: episode in a while. Yeah, we're gonna change that. We

800
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: have to write, I would say so. I also here,

801
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: Mothman might be in our future sometime soon, right, Matt.

802
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: But if I could quote Vigo from Ghostbusters to death

803
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: is but a doorway, Time is but a window. His

804
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: name is Veagle wife. Do you bubble to me? Man?

805
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters two is great? Uh? Member guys, member Ghostbustairs. So I,

806
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: uh yeah, thank you so much, Jennifer. I will definitely

807
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: check in into this. We also found, coincidentally, um, some

808
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: compelling evidence for the origin of the so called New

809
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: Jersey Devil or the Jersey Devil. Yeah, it turns out

810
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: was probably a political smear campaign. Yeah yeah, I'll fill

811
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: you an offing and we can go back to it,

812
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: all right, Mr Brown, The honor goes to you. Who

813
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: is our last listener for today? This one comes from Jet. Hey, guys,

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00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: Jet here listening to your podcast on Big Farm Up.

815
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm a nurse at a long term care facility. One day,

816
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: after the house doctor had come in to do rounds,

817
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: I was going through the new orders and noticed that

818
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: he had prescribed a new drug called lends Us to

819
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: every patient he had seen. This medication is for opioid

820
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: induced constipation. Only a few of these patients were even

821
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: on any opioids. After he came in to see the

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00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: rest of the patients, nearly all of them were now

823
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: prescribed this med When I asked my director of nursing

824
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: about this, she stated, quote, doc gets a kick back

825
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: for prescribing it. M m M. I'm not completely sure

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Speaker 1: what that meant, but many of the patients went on

827
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: to develop terrible diarrhea from this drug since they didn't

828
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: have what it was meant to treat, much to the

829
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: dismay of the nursing staff in charge of the clean up.

830
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, we've heard about the way pharmaceutical companies

831
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: induced or influence doctors to prescribe things. It's a shame.

832
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: It's a bit of a dirty business. Yeah. I told

833
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: you guys about when we were we were about to

834
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: have writer and we were hanging out in the office

835
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: and this strapping young gentleman who is extremely tall, like

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00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: just an attractive dude right walks into the office. He's

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00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: carrying a huge bag and there are almost all women working,

838
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: their younger women who were in the front of the office.

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00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: He walks in and he has a trade of like

840
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: cookies and all kinds of food to give to the staff.

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00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: And it turned out, like just by listening to their

842
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: conversation while I was in the waiting room. He was

843
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: a rep for some drug company and was trying to

844
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: sell drugs to the doctors, or at least sell the

845
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: idea of selling the drugs to the doctors. Handed out

846
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: mouse pads willy nilly, who I mean, making it rain

847
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: mouse pads and pens and swag little notepads as well,

848
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: maybe a hat, a T shirt, sticky notes. Yeah. Well,

849
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: I asked the receptionist what, like, what was that about,

850
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, yeah, he brings in lunches all

851
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: the time. It's really nice when he's when he's around,

852
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: because you know you're gonna get free lunch. And I

853
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: wonder what the legality of that stuff? No such thing

854
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: as a free lunch map. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure

855
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: it's legal to an extent, Like there's probably a captain

856
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: amount of money that you're allowed to spend on that

857
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: kind of stuff for at a certain doctor's office. I

858
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: know nothing about it. I'm just saying I'm assuming that

859
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: it's legal, but it's uh, if you do it too much,

860
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: it could be bad. We should go back into that

861
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: because that ties into ams earlier suggestion of healthcare. Yeah,

862
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: this is a good call. I'm certain to see some connections.

863
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, before we move on completely and close out,

864
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: I just noticed an article that I saw pop up

865
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: a couple of times. It isn't directly related, but this

866
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: is another healthcare thing. Um. Someone published a hospital bill

867
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: with a line item on it reading skin to skin

868
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: after C section. In other words, wait, holding your holding

869
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: your baby costs you just going to show that they

870
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: can itemize anything. Yeah, and if you don't fight back,

871
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: it's just going to happen. You have to check those charges.

872
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's that's terrifying. That reminds me of the

873
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: old stuff with the Department of Defense and their contractors

874
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: and their hundred thousand dollar hammers and stuff, or a

875
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: hundred two dollar hammers. I don't think there were hundred

876
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: self thousands. Don't worry, guys, the market will correct itself.

877
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah right, okay, the market will correct itself for the

878
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,959
Speaker 1: people who are running the market, right yeah. Yeah. Oh boy.

879
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: So uh this this has been a pretty great thing

880
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: for us, and we we hope you enjoyed. We hope

881
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: you enjoyed listening to this. We want to give a

882
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: big thank you to Zeke Whitney, Amanda, Brian, Jordan, Jordan's

883
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: m West, Riley, Metal Wolf, Rusty, Edwin, Amber, Susan, Sarah,

884
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: Jennifer and Jet and just the last shout out to

885
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: Um Simon who came out to hang with us we

886
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: were on our our secret trip. Simon W. Simon W.

887
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: Really really met him in r r L, signed the

888
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: work out and had some drinks and a little bit

889
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: of some noodles, some some good times, some chats. Very

890
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: nice dude. Um, really big fan of the show and

891
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 1: all the house stuff work shows and really enjoyed meeting him. Yeah,

892
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: it took it. Uh took us up on the offer

893
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: to meet us. We are, for for the most part,

894
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: regular people, open books in a meadow on a sunny day,

895
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: as I like to say. And uh yeah. And so

896
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: it was neat because Simon is doing some really fascinating

897
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: research into imperialism and medicine and the Victorian era relating

898
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: to mystery novels and also exploring it through the work

899
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: of Arthur Cunan Doyle, uh, the creator of Sherlock Holmes.

900
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: And that sounds fascinating. Yeah, it was, it was. It

901
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: was a great conversation, and it made me think that

902
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: several of our co workers who are It's weird to

903
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: describe it like this because we we get at this

904
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: job things that we're into, our concepts or categories, and

905
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: we have people who are really into uh Victorian medicine

906
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: or medical practices, uh specifically. So yeah, so thanks so

907
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: much for dropping by a Simon. It made our day. Yeah,

908
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: it didn't make my day, Simon, because I was here

909
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. So I'm next, all right, I gotta hang out.

910
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: Somebody's gotta hold down the fort, my man. Okay. Oh

911
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: and for everyone who wrote to us about the Mandela Effect,

912
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: very wary wrote to us about the Mandela Effect. Uh,

913
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: it's funny because we never did an episode on it,

914
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: I could swear, but I looked through the RSS feed

915
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: and there's one there. Yeah, it had our voices on

916
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: it too. I heard it, and oddly enough, we didn't

917
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: start getting requests to do a Mandela Effect episode until

918
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: this not quite remembered episode published. And it's it's strange.

919
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,479
Speaker 1: I mean, do you guys remember I could swear we

920
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: we didn't do it. It's like that picture of Marty

921
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: McFly and back to the future. Fading into nothing. But

922
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: in this case, it's a picture appearing, or it's a

923
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: whole audio episode that I don't remember, and it just

924
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: felt a little off, you know what I mean. I

925
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: was uncomfortable listening to it. But for listeners who would

926
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: who would like to give it a shout take a look.

927
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: It's there in our RS s where and it's on

928
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: our somehow on our website, and that puts a lot

929
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: of this stuff on our website. So there was art.

930
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: It looks like I made a picture for this thing.

931
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: Well check it out. Let us know what you think

932
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: to be fair, you can do that in your sleep.

933
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: So guys, anything else would you like to take a

934
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: take another listener mail episode? A little down the line,

935
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: We've got so many more. Thank you everybody who's written

936
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: to us over the years, really, but especially in the

937
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: past few months. We've just got a huge list here.

938
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: We only got to hit you know a few A fraction, yeah, fraction.

939
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: So we will have to do this again in the future,

940
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: so continue writing to us. We love having this back

941
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: and forth conversation where we can really get insight from

942
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: from you. Uh so it's not just us sitting in

943
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: this room alone. It's it's pretty lonely sometimes. Oh man,

944
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: I feel bad for you. No, for us. It's like

945
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: just the three of us in here trying to discuss

946
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and there's everybody else out there. They've

947
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: got valuable things to add. Well. You know, I have

948
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: maybe three feelings a year, so I'm not I'm not

949
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: sure if loneliness is something I'm capable of, but I

950
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 1: totally understand, uh, empirically, what you're saying. I think you've

951
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: had more than three feelings this year, and I think

952
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: you've exceeded your quota. I know I used. I used

953
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: them on that super secret trip, so I used the

954
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: last one. You're depleted. What happens if you do exceed

955
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: allocated number? I don't know. I would be I guess

956
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: that would immediately exceeded by two, because then I would

957
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: also probably be pretty happy. But that happened for feelings

958
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: an embarrassment of virtues however, Um, yeah, we're we're joking

959
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: a little bit there, but I do I do remember.

960
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: Um No, I'm so glad you brought up Simon because

961
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: we talked about the toy bet tiles doing something on that,

962
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: which we've which have been around for a while and

963
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: it might fit in. We have a we have a

964
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff coming on the way, and now we

965
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: have these excellent suggestions. We appreciate your time. Nowadays, time

966
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: and attention are the most important currencies, and you have

967
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: chosen to spend some with us. We have some strange

968
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: things coming up. We are coming back next week with

969
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: some new episodes. We have some uh, some interviews coming up.

970
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: We have some different things. I'm trying to be careful

971
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: about what we say. You know, guys, uh, the election

972
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: is soon approaching. The election is soon approaching, the US election. Boy,

973
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: howdy cheese and crackers, what the dickens? And other anachronistic phrases.

974
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: We're in for wild ride, ladies and gentlemen, and we

975
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: hope that you are writing along with us, that you

976
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: can turn back now where you can continue with the

977
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. And what I

978
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: mean by that is, after we get off the air,

979
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: you can find us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram where

980
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: we are Conspiracy Stuffer Conspiracy Stuff Show, and then you

981
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: can find our website which we mentioned earlier. And if

982
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: you would like to take a page from your fellow

983
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: listeners and write to US directly. You can reach us

984
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: just like that, as quick as snap of your fingers,

985
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: from whether you are in Atlanta here in the US,

986
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,160
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987
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Speaker 1: Internet connection. South Africa. We just got an email from

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