WEBVTT - What You Don't Know About Stress Could Kill You

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Forward Thinking. Hey there, everyone, and welcome to Forward Thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast that looks to the future and says, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>addicted to stress. That's the way that I get things

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<v Speaker 1>done when I'm not under pressure. That I sleep too

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<v Speaker 1>long and I hang around like a bum, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think I go in nowhere and that makes me nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm John and Strickland, I'm Lauren vocal Ban, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Joe McCormick. And they are staring at me and stunned silence.

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<v Speaker 1>Mostly we are today talking about stress, its effects on us,

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<v Speaker 1>and ways to manage stress, because that ties into this

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<v Speaker 1>week's video all about stress and the future of stress management.

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<v Speaker 1>Really and um, it's an important deal. So I guess

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<v Speaker 1>first we need to kind of look at just what

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<v Speaker 1>is stress? What do we how do we define that,

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<v Speaker 1>and what does it do to us, especially in the

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<v Speaker 1>short term. Yeah, that's funny. Everybody knows what stress is,

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<v Speaker 1>but you kind of be hard pressed to define it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like consciousness, right, and one of those

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<v Speaker 1>one of those concepts that as you start to define it,

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<v Speaker 1>you realize, oh wait, it's this thing that everyone knows,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's hard to put into words. Really, you can

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<v Speaker 1>describe it physiologically. It's certain things are happening to your

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<v Speaker 1>body when you have a stress response. Essentially, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>your body's reaction to any sort of perceived threat or

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<v Speaker 1>perceived any moment where your body feels like it needs

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<v Speaker 1>to prepare itself physically for something that's going to be demanding.

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<v Speaker 1>And unfortunately, our you know, our genetics don't really have

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<v Speaker 1>a button that says like, you know, this, this test

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm studying for isn't a tiger that is actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to eat my face. And so we have a

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<v Speaker 1>very similar response to physical stresses and mental stresses, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the body doesn't have a way of differentiating the different

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<v Speaker 1>types of stressors that we could encounter. Now we should

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<v Speaker 1>be fair, Actually you do, and it's your brain and

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<v Speaker 1>you do have a way of telling a difference. But

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<v Speaker 1>the point is that things that are not actually a

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<v Speaker 1>big threat to you are still going to trigger some

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<v Speaker 1>of that response. Yeah, may of it. I probably would

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<v Speaker 1>have a much bigger stress response if Lauren suddenly pulled

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<v Speaker 1>out a knife and thrust it at me, then, if

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I would just to say suddenly forget all

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<v Speaker 1>the research I didn't before this and be like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the question. The question is what if what

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<v Speaker 1>if Lauren pulled a knife on you, and at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time you received an email from the head of

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<v Speaker 1>how Stuff works saying we need to talk and make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you clear out your desk. Those those two things

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<v Speaker 1>would give you quite a bit of stress early on,

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<v Speaker 1>even though one is is actively and physically threatening you

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<v Speaker 1>at this moment. By the way, Lauren with a knife

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<v Speaker 1>not something you want to encounter. I mean, she's I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really need knives. My elbows are sharp, like that's true,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. And plus she has a cutting wit anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So so let's get back to talking about what stress

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<v Speaker 1>is in our way of reacting to it. It really

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of a survival mechanism, you know, like you

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<v Speaker 1>were saying, Lauren, this whole being attacked by a tiger thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's part of the fight or flight response. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a chemical we need to talk about, the big one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called cortisol. Yeah, there's another one called adrenaline, and

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<v Speaker 1>that also plays a factor obviously in the stress response.

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<v Speaker 1>And these are these are both hormones that are released

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<v Speaker 1>by our body whenever our brain starts to think, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a situation that needs to have uh, this particular reaction,

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<v Speaker 1>and in general, what this reaction does is it prepares

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<v Speaker 1>you for something that's about to happen right then and there.

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<v Speaker 1>So in certain situations, like a tiger, you spot a

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<v Speaker 1>tiger in the woods and you realize you need to

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<v Speaker 1>get the heck out of Dodge. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>there's a tiger and Dodge, but you've got to get

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<v Speaker 1>out of there. The tigers wielding a knife at the

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<v Speaker 1>tiger is wielding a knife and threatening your job. This

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<v Speaker 1>is this is the worst dresser that we can imagine. Son,

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<v Speaker 1>Get out of done. So yeah, you you Your body

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<v Speaker 1>starts to to react and you get you begin to

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<v Speaker 1>have responses like your your senses start to sharpen. You

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<v Speaker 1>begin to really be able to focus on certain things

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<v Speaker 1>while filtering out lots of other information. So when you're

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<v Speaker 1>under stress, you might be keenly aware of the stressor

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<v Speaker 1>I mean everything from your sense of sight and hearing,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as your sense of smell. These things can

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<v Speaker 1>all be really focused. But it also means that you

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<v Speaker 1>are filtering out anything that would your brain would think is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not gonna threaten me, So we're just not going

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<v Speaker 1>to even pay attention to that, which is interesting. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why people can react to situations very quickly but not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily have a lot of recollection of everything that was

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<v Speaker 1>going on at that moment um. It also means that

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<v Speaker 1>your muscles get ready to react. Your heart rate starts

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<v Speaker 1>to increase, your breathing rate starts to increase. They're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to oxygenate your brain and your muscles right right right,

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<v Speaker 1>Get you ready to move. Moving is what you need

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Write either either to fight or to to

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<v Speaker 1>run to the fight or flight. Our buddies over at stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You should know this is one of their favorite phrases.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone who had listened to that podcast, especially from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>that was like their go to phrase for early episodes

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<v Speaker 1>was fight or flight response. And so we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>here now there are different types of stressors. Uh that

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<v Speaker 1>that this isn't necessarily something that's discussed at length in

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<v Speaker 1>scientific literature, but there's the concept of distress versus you stress.

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<v Speaker 1>So you stress is this this is considered to be

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<v Speaker 1>uh useful and uh that it's something that you are

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<v Speaker 1>capable of handling. It can get you excited about something,

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<v Speaker 1>it can it can really get you focused on something.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say that our boss comes in and says, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got this opportunity for a brand new show and

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<v Speaker 1>we want you to be a part of it. Assuming

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<v Speaker 1>that that's something that we would like to do. Then

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<v Speaker 1>we wind experience. You stress, We get excited about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Our body starts to respond, but it's not a negative experience,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's you stress with an EU, and then distress

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<v Speaker 1>would be the more negative type, something like the boss

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<v Speaker 1>coming and says, we gotta you know, we gotta talk numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're just not where we want them to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we start, you know, your stomach sinks, you know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly or distress. Um, yeah, so we start, you start

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<v Speaker 1>to feel uh, negative impact there. So stressors do not

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<v Speaker 1>automatically fall into you stress or distress. They are completely

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<v Speaker 1>dependent upon not only the individual. So something that I

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<v Speaker 1>find exciting, Joe might discover is not something he wants

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<v Speaker 1>to do and it actually fills him with distress. For example. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe all three of us feel the same way

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<v Speaker 1>about this. Who here, and do you guys enjoy roller coasters. Sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not really. So you just don't care though, or do

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<v Speaker 1>you actively not like being on a roller coaster? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't freak out like I'd get on one, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's just not lot of fun, gotcha? Got you? All? Right? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>well let's assume that we have a fourth person in

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<v Speaker 1>here who just does not They are terrified of roller coasters.

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<v Speaker 1>For them, the idea of getting in line to go

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<v Speaker 1>on a roller coaster is just it's it's bad. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's bad. They're experiencing negative levels of stress. Lauren and

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<v Speaker 1>I we might love roller coaster, so we're all excited

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<v Speaker 1>and pumped up and ready to go, and and it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's again different for us, and it may

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<v Speaker 1>be different for an individual depending upon the context. There

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<v Speaker 1>might be a roller coaster that you lead me up

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<v Speaker 1>to and I take one look at and I think

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<v Speaker 1>this thing should have been condemned thirty years ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>I might be filled with distress. Not you stress in

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<v Speaker 1>that situation. So it's not something that we can easily

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<v Speaker 1>say all of this example is you stress, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of this is distress. So all the things we've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about so far have been examples of what we

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<v Speaker 1>might say is acute stress, like a specific stressor causes

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<v Speaker 1>you to have a reaction in that moment, and and

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<v Speaker 1>it's related to a specific period of time. But what

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<v Speaker 1>if you were somebody who really hated roller hosters and

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<v Speaker 1>your whole life is kind of like you're near the

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<v Speaker 1>back of a line waiting for roller coasts. So essentially

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<v Speaker 1>what you're talking about is is chronic stress the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of encountering stress on a regular basis, perhaps even a

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<v Speaker 1>daily basis. So for example, people who absolutely despise their jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I know that I've had jobs in the

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<v Speaker 1>past where I just every day I would wake up,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have to motivate myself to go to work

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<v Speaker 1>because I did not like what I did. I might

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<v Speaker 1>like the people I worked with, but I didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>the work I was doing. Uh, that of course does

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<v Speaker 1>not apply. Right now, I got a dream job that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very happy about, but back in the day, not

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<v Speaker 1>so much. And um, and that can be something that

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<v Speaker 1>is a real uh difficult time for for a person

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<v Speaker 1>to to deal with. I mean, you're encountering this level

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<v Speaker 1>of stress, this this feeling of anxiety that you experien

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<v Speaker 1>arians whenever stress is hitting you, but it's a prolonged experience.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a chronic experience. This is a problem, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a problem right now. It's been a problem forever. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of those things we're really aware of. It's

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<v Speaker 1>more than just the fact that it's unpleasant, though it's

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<v Speaker 1>apparently really bad for your health. Well, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's look at some of the common reactions people

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<v Speaker 1>have when they are under stress. Here, there's a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of different ways you can look at their three big

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<v Speaker 1>categories that people tend to fall into when they're reacting

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<v Speaker 1>to negative levels of stress, particularly over more than just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a momentary encounter. Uh. That is to get

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<v Speaker 1>really keyed up and overly emotional and irritable and angry.

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<v Speaker 1>I call that turning into hot spur from King Henry

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth part one. These are all gonna have Shakespearean references.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's uh, you get withdrawn into yes, withdrawn depressed.

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<v Speaker 1>You get have low energy or you have very little

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<v Speaker 1>expression of emotion. I call that Antonio from Merchant of Venice. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you have frozen where you are unable to

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<v Speaker 1>act or respond. You are agitated, but you are essentially

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally paralyzed. Obviously Hamlet, right, so I tell you, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean Shakespeare he was really good at somewhere. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>the Shakespearean Well, I mean the reactions, the categories I

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<v Speaker 1>took from from research, but the EXPERI characters, No, that

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<v Speaker 1>was me. Well, I mean he was, he was very

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<v Speaker 1>good at the human experience and expressing that. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>I mean kudos to him anyway. Other problems that are

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<v Speaker 1>associated with stress include things like you can have problems

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<v Speaker 1>with memory, so you can have problems forming and retaining

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<v Speaker 1>memories while you're undergoing stress over a prolonged period. Concentration

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<v Speaker 1>is another issue, so while you might have a really

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<v Speaker 1>sharp focus in the short over a longer period chronic

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<v Speaker 1>stress can hurt your concentration. You can have issues with

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<v Speaker 1>judgment where you start making bad decisions because you're feeling

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<v Speaker 1>so much pressure that you just want to relieve it,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're not really considering what the consequences of your actions. Maybe. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you can start suffering physical aches and pains from muscle

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<v Speaker 1>tension and other issues of these hormones can really start

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<v Speaker 1>to wreak havoc, especially like cortisol. If you have heightened

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<v Speaker 1>cortisol production over a whild that can actually damage your muscles.

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<v Speaker 1>It can cause to an even bone loss if you

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<v Speaker 1>have heightened levels over a prolonged period of time. Uh. Nausea.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's other gastro intestinal issues such as diarrhea.

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<v Speaker 1>Pleasant experience. Anyone who's ever had like that stressful feeling

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<v Speaker 1>where they're just like, I have got to find a

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<v Speaker 1>rest room and just hide for the next two hours. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Loss of sex drive often accompanied when you have diarrhea.

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<v Speaker 1>I would assume, Uh, there changes in eating habits, so

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<v Speaker 1>you might start to over eat or you might stop eating. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>changes in sleeping habits where you are having insomnia you

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<v Speaker 1>have trouble getting sleep. Then it can lead to behavioral

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<v Speaker 1>issues like procrastination where you just you know, even though

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<v Speaker 1>you're feeling more and more stress about the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you need to do more stuff, it actually causes you

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<v Speaker 1>to not act and you end up making it worse

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<v Speaker 1>over time. Uh. You can develop a reliance on drugs

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<v Speaker 1>to relieve the symptoms, whether that's a prescription, which you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some people the stress they experience, medication maybe the best

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<v Speaker 1>approach for them to manage their stress. But there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of self medicating that goes out out there, and

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<v Speaker 1>not just with prescription drugs, but with things like recreational

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<v Speaker 1>drugs or alcohol or tobacco or even coffee. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff where you're you're relying heavily on some

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<v Speaker 1>other substance to help relieve the tension and stress. That's

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<v Speaker 1>your experience. And then they're just developing nervous habits, stuff

0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.520
<v Speaker 1>that like biting your nails, things that uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of these these compulsions that you can develop

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<v Speaker 1>as a result of enduring stress over a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of these I'll tie back into. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're starting to talk about um sleep loss and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and and fatigue and things like that, that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to start affecting everything else in your life. Um, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's going to affect your um, your immune system.

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<v Speaker 1>And and when you're sick, that's another stressor. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know you can't you can't function, and yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can have auto you can develop autoimmune diseases. You

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<v Speaker 1>can develop you can well if you're if you have

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<v Speaker 1>an overeating problem that can lead to obesity. You can

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<v Speaker 1>suffer from depression, you can have uh, you can even

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<v Speaker 1>develop heart disease because of this, um. And you know,

0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.800
<v Speaker 1>things like skin conditions, you can you can either end

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<v Speaker 1>up well really you can exacerbate existing skin conditions like exima.

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<v Speaker 1>So the stresses, I mean, it's a really powerful thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The really terrifying one for me, if I can share

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<v Speaker 1>this one, is that um uh, they've they've found that

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<v Speaker 1>stress is linked to psychoses and and triggering things like

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<v Speaker 1>schizophrenia that that don't on set until your your early adulthood.

0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.360
<v Speaker 1>That if if you know, given you know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>take two identical twins and and one developed schizophrenia, the

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<v Speaker 1>other one only has a chance of developing it even

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<v Speaker 1>though they're genetically identical, because because the environment and the

0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.240
<v Speaker 1>stressors in your life are so important to uh, to

0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the development of the disease. Yeah. So, so, I mean,

0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.760
<v Speaker 1>clearly stresses is pretty rough on on people. And and

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<v Speaker 1>it may be rough not just on the person who's

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing the stress, but perhaps even to their offspring. Right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this concept now known as epigenetic inheritance. Um and

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of a mouthful, but it means literally on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the genes genetics. Yeah, um, And so to

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<v Speaker 1>explain epigenetics. Basically, it's the concept that without changing your

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<v Speaker 1>d N A, without changing the code that makes up

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<v Speaker 1>your body, um, environmental factors can make changes in the

0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:25.800
<v Speaker 1>way that code is expressed right right, because your your

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<v Speaker 1>RNA is is continually um picking what genes are turned

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<v Speaker 1>on and turned off based on a lot of different stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a completely normal process, not just due

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<v Speaker 1>to stress, but right. So, so you can have you've

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<v Speaker 1>got DNA and all your cells and that's the building

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<v Speaker 1>blocks for making you so but certain genes in there

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<v Speaker 1>can be turned on, turned off, can be told to

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<v Speaker 1>express themselves into different proteins at different points in your

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<v Speaker 1>life and um, you know, due to uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>whatever whatever needs doing. Huh. And so one of these

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<v Speaker 1>things that can cause epigenetic changes is stress, um and

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<v Speaker 1>that that can change the way your DNA is manifest.

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<v Speaker 1>But also what some people are saying now is that

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<v Speaker 1>might not be just for you, that those epigenetic changes

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<v Speaker 1>might be able to pass on through say a sperm cell,

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<v Speaker 1>to your offspring or even your grandchildren. Uh. This isn't

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<v Speaker 1>proven yet, by the way, but there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>research to indicate this might be the case. Right, And

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<v Speaker 1>What's what's going on here is a process called methylation

0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.600
<v Speaker 1>inside your genes and that is UM. These these methyl

0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:37.800
<v Speaker 1>groups UM will mark a particular gene to to just

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<v Speaker 1>turn it off to just be like you sit down

0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.480
<v Speaker 1>and and uh and there's you get a time out

0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.480
<v Speaker 1>and in some cases of permanent time out and UM

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<v Speaker 1>and it was you know that There's been an argument

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<v Speaker 1>for a really long time about whether or not UM

0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:57.680
<v Speaker 1>those markers can be passed on to a sperm and

0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.520
<v Speaker 1>egg cell at all UM and and furthermore, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they would be wiped out during the fertilization process

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<v Speaker 1>and UM. And there is currently some evidence UM study

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<v Speaker 1>out of yeah, the University of Cambridge that was published

0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:16.080
<v Speaker 1>in late that showed that UM a tiny number of

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<v Speaker 1>genes and UM mass germ cells the that's the sperm

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<v Speaker 1>and the egg uh survived into the next generation like

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<v Speaker 1>like two thirty three out of some thousand, which sounds

0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:33.720
<v Speaker 1>really tiny, but it's still it's still there. I mean yeah, interesting. Yeah,

0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.520
<v Speaker 1>And so this is interesting because it ties into older

0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.399
<v Speaker 1>concepts like Lamarckian is um if you'll ever heard of this.

0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.199
<v Speaker 1>Lamarckian is um was the idea that uh that that

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<v Speaker 1>you could take a characteristic developed or learned by the adult,

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<v Speaker 1>and that adult could pass it on to their children

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<v Speaker 1>just by birth. Um, that was before we understood genetics,

0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.159
<v Speaker 1>and now we know that that's essentially not true. Or

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<v Speaker 1>you know the concept that if um, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you work out and you have a really big bicep,

0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.359
<v Speaker 1>that your child is not necessarily going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>really big right, or that you are a capable king

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<v Speaker 1>of England that your child. No, seriously, the entire monarchy

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<v Speaker 1>system is based upon this concept. Well, that could be

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<v Speaker 1>based on the idea well, I mean, excluding divine right

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. That was also you could argue

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<v Speaker 1>that there was some kind of genetic idea there that

0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.080
<v Speaker 1>they didn't know about genetics. No, but I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think the same sort of armchair born although I guess

0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:32.720
<v Speaker 1>it was an armchair approach. It was more of a

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<v Speaker 1>throne approach a time. But yeah, the idea that learned

0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.480
<v Speaker 1>or or adapted characteristics could be passed on, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>not so much true through the d n A. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not altering your genome by doing that, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>make these epigenetic changes and it's very possible, and lots

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<v Speaker 1>of experts think that you can pass them on and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not, maybe not permanently. The studies that I've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>um that have shown that traits are passed down to

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<v Speaker 1>at least one or two generations, um in mice. These

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<v Speaker 1>are not human studies, um are I have shown that

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<v Speaker 1>that the results peter out after about two generations. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen anything that has gone on longer than that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I explains the millennials. A lot of these are

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<v Speaker 1>these tests they've done on mice are related to stress,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, Yeah, Yeah, that's that that that's the the

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<v Speaker 1>main thingy, the science thingy tie in. Yeah, the main variable, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. Yeah. So like that, they'll expose say, male

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<v Speaker 1>mice to u nic chronic stress something you know, preventing

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<v Speaker 1>them from from being in a in a social group

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, thrending the mouse jobs. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they have those mice mate with females, and sure

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<v Speaker 1>enough the offspring they produce show increased levels of stress

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<v Speaker 1>and difficulty difficulty dealing with stress responses. Yeah, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk now. I'm starting to get stressed out by

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<v Speaker 1>this whole conversation. Really, we might need to start talking

0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:05.800
<v Speaker 1>about ways of managing stress in the way to relieve stress.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know, there's been a lot of work

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<v Speaker 1>that's been done in this some of it has been

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<v Speaker 1>you know, um, not necessarily held up against scientific rigor,

0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:19.399
<v Speaker 1>although several approaches have. But it's there are ways to

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<v Speaker 1>manage stress without necessarily going down the route of medication,

0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.800
<v Speaker 1>although again that might be appropriate depending upon the circumstances

0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.920
<v Speaker 1>of the individual. Um, you know, there are some things

0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.560
<v Speaker 1>that are you know, really body chemistry issues that no

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<v Speaker 1>amount of deep breathing techniques are necessarily going to address. Well,

0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.679
<v Speaker 1>we should certainly say that it's not all environmental. Some

0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:46.120
<v Speaker 1>people are just prone distressed, right, genetically predisposed, pre predisposed

0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:52.000
<v Speaker 1>predisposed distress. And uh, and those people are very likely

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are need to seek a medical response,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, So it's or at least a combination of therapies. Right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't we just don't want to suggest that there's

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<v Speaker 1>any one way that you know, all you have to

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<v Speaker 1>do is just take a little moment for yourself and

0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.600
<v Speaker 1>you'll be fine. It's more complicated in that, although for

0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:12.360
<v Speaker 1>for many people doing just that can help a great deal. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>first I wanted to mention something along the lines of

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<v Speaker 1>along the less scientific approach. Uh so, so clearly everything

0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:23.200
<v Speaker 1>from stress management. I mean, this is a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>We all have stress in our lives, and we're perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>more aware of that now than we've ever been before.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh and you know, it's an unpleasant experience, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of our time and effort tends to be

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated towards creating as pleasant an experience as we can

0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:42.760
<v Speaker 1>possibly manage at any given time. If you're not if

0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:47.280
<v Speaker 1>you're not constantly worried about survival, if that rory has

0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.239
<v Speaker 1>taken away from you, then comfort becomes one of your

0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.440
<v Speaker 1>big drivers for a lot of us. Anyway, some people

0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:56.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess like discomfort, but I'm not one of those.

0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm one of the people who I want my life

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<v Speaker 1>to be as comfortable as possible. So that means that

0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:04.440
<v Speaker 1>there's been a lot of time, effort, and money spent

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<v Speaker 1>and on finding ways to make stress kind of go away.

0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:14.160
<v Speaker 1>In some cases, it's more like a marketing thing where

0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:21.040
<v Speaker 1>someone's trying to sell some goofy device or treatment that magnets. Yeah, magnets,

0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:24.280
<v Speaker 1>that's a good one. They won't don't listen to anybody

0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:27.800
<v Speaker 1>who tells you that magnets are going to reduce your stress. Now,

0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.600
<v Speaker 1>here's the here's the thing, is that that because stress

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<v Speaker 1>because of stress in the way stress uh works on

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<v Speaker 1>our bodies, in the way that our our counter stress

0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:41.400
<v Speaker 1>reactions work. Relaxation essentially, the way relaxation works is if

0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:45.080
<v Speaker 1>you find something that relaxes you technically, that's helpful. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what's helping you manage stress. It doesn't you know whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not you it's because you believe that it has

0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:55.159
<v Speaker 1>some sort of mystical or spiritual property to it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily matter. The plassybo effect in um in mental health

0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:01.960
<v Speaker 1>studies is I mean, you know, again, if if you're

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<v Speaker 1>not working with an intrinsic chemical imbalance, which which is

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<v Speaker 1>affecting you in a very specific way, it can absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>work out for you. Yeah. Well, even if it is

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<v Speaker 1>affecting you. Interesting, that's you know what that would be

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<v Speaker 1>in a very interesting podcast. Because the placebo effect is

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<v Speaker 1>so complex, it goes well beyond just the whole mind

0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:26.200
<v Speaker 1>over matter thing. Placebo effect can actually affect people like

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<v Speaker 1>placebo effet can affect animals because they their behavior can

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<v Speaker 1>change based upon the behavior of the people who are

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<v Speaker 1>administering the placebo to the animal. Right, It's it's pretty

0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:41.199
<v Speaker 1>crazy stuff. Anyway, getting back to this, one of the

0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:44.159
<v Speaker 1>things I was looking at was while the concept of

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:50.000
<v Speaker 1>electro diagnostic tools, these this is a whole range of

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<v Speaker 1>wou that's what we usually call it. It's it's quack science.

0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:58.080
<v Speaker 1>It's not even science really, it's just quackery. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of a device detect some sort of vague

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<v Speaker 1>energy and balance in a person. Yeah, I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you're not talking about skin conductance tests, because

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 1>those have been used in a lot of cases to

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<v Speaker 1>determine physiological structure. It can determine a physiological response. I'm

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:19.000
<v Speaker 1>talking about more vague than that, Like your energy is

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<v Speaker 1>out of alignment, your key points are are blocked, and

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>you need to have some blockage removed from your ch

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:29.639
<v Speaker 1>otherwise you're just having chi backups up the yen yang.

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:32.960
<v Speaker 1>So we gotta undo the yen yang and get that chieflow.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's all ridiculous and there's no scientific basis for

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:43.960
<v Speaker 1>it now, scientifically speaking, Lauren is Lauren's qualifying. It's ridiculous,

0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:47.439
<v Speaker 1>is what Jonathan says. Um So, but no, this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is there is no scientific basis, so they like,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, acupuncture. Some people find acupuncture to be very relaxing,

0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:59.919
<v Speaker 1>which means that as a relaxation technique it's perfectly valid. Right.

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.840
<v Speaker 1>It means that they are relaxing, that is being uh,

0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 1>it's countering the stress response. They are there for relieving stress. Now,

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:15.560
<v Speaker 1>acupuncture as a method of practicing medicine has no real

0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 1>scientific backing to it at all. In fact, any reputable

0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 1>scientific study shows that if you were to follow the

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 1>traditional process of acupuncture, where you are applying the pens

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to very specific points on the body, the meridians, where

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to align the energy flow, that that has

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<v Speaker 1>no effect compared to someone who is trained well enough

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<v Speaker 1>to know how to place the needles, but is not

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<v Speaker 1>placing them in any particular place. And I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth being fair to these traditions, we should say, yet,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's possible that someday we could discover that,

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<v Speaker 1>oh well, actually there is something to acupuncture. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. As of yet, there's nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. I've find it. I find it highly unlikely

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:06.320
<v Speaker 1>that there is this vaguely described energy that flows through

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 1>us that someone has discovered and yet there is no

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 1>evidence for it. Whatso, yeah, I do as well, because

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 1>otherwise incredible luck philosophical prudence here. All right, that's fair.

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:22.879
<v Speaker 1>I will admit I am. I am a complete hardcore skeptic.

0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Uh and that should should such evidence arrive as to

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:30.040
<v Speaker 1>suggest that there is more to it than just this

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>relaxation response, then I would be I would be intellectually

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 1>dishonest to deny that. Of course, I just really don't

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:40.479
<v Speaker 1>expect that to happen. Of course, it's interesting. For some

0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:45.120
<v Speaker 1>people the relaxation response is enough. Like we were just saying, well,

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing is that actually do it for you? Really?

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Like that's that's the thing is that the relaxation response

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 1>is really what I think is helping people. Now, how

0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:57.120
<v Speaker 1>you get that relaxation response really depends upon your own

0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 1>personal approach and what you prefer, and that can be

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:04.919
<v Speaker 1>anything from just taking some very simple exercises like deep breathing,

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 1>uh and in a in a quiet space, you know,

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 1>just kind of taking some time just for yourself. Mindfulness

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:17.120
<v Speaker 1>is definitely a good, um, a good proven exercise of

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>of just you know, choosing what you are and are

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 1>not being stressed about actively at that point, while we're

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 1>getting into these uh, these sort of pseudo scientific, pseudo

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.440
<v Speaker 1>spiritual realms, I do think it's worth mentioning that there

0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:33.159
<v Speaker 1>is some good data that says meditation actually can reduce

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 1>stress relies, right. And I think though that meditation is

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 1>almost more of the ritualistic approach to employing relaxation techniques,

0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.920
<v Speaker 1>and it does have other elements to it, but they

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:50.440
<v Speaker 1>really just fall really in line with simple relaxation techniques. Now,

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:53.119
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't mean that meditation is bad or that you

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:55.880
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't do it, or that it's not it's not effective.

0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:59.640
<v Speaker 1>It is effective, but it's it's you know, I think

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:01.959
<v Speaker 1>it would be it could be, depending again on your

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:05.199
<v Speaker 1>personal preferences, just as effective for you to have an

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 1>unstructured approach to relaxation as meditation. Meditation does, however, provide

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>a particular approach to relaxation. Meditation, I mean, there's there are,

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:17.679
<v Speaker 1>there are some of some of some of them are

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.880
<v Speaker 1>very unstructured, right Yeah. But and again it's it's not

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>like it's not like meditation. You know, everything from yoga

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:30.160
<v Speaker 1>to UH to even transcendental meditation can be very relaxing

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 1>for you if that's something that you find really helps

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 1>pull the stress away. So really, at this point, we're saying,

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you find the activity that helps you let go of stress,

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 1>and that is your relief of stress. It's kind of

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's autology. I mean, you know, you're like,

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 1>but but it really it really is. That's the case.

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>So it doesn't necessarily mean that, you know, you don't

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 1>say that that meditation has no merit. You might say

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 1>that this particular form of meditation doesn't seem to really

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 1>fit with the way you view the world. That's perfectly fine.

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>It may work very well for someone who their views

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>do align that way and that's why they find it relaxing.

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>So in that sense, I think that any any approach

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 1>where you are going into it thinking this is something

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I am doing in order to relax myself, and this

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 1>is how it works for me. I think that's perfect

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 1>for the way you want to relieve stress. If you

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 1>go beyond that, too, this thing also allows me to

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>conquer the world through my amazing mental powers. Then I

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>get a little antsy, But as far as stress goes,

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I totally I totally go into that. Okay, So I mean,

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's no, it's it is what it is,

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>but it's it. You know, I certainly have used meditation

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>techniques to UH to relieve stress in the past, so

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>it's not like I would look down upon anyone for

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 1>using similar techniques for themselves. You know, there's UH. There

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>was something I read that was in interesting and suggesting

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>that it wasn't even just the in the moment effects,

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, the physiological effects of the meditation session, but

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>that the cumulative effects of say mindfulness meditation on your

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>psyche might actually have a long term UH correlation, at

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 1>least in the decrease in the stress. So I think

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I read a UC Davis study saying essentially that that

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>mindfulness by ranking mindfulness, which could be achieved through mindfulness meditation,

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>is sort of a long term effect of what you

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 1>do in these sessions was correlated with lower levels of

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 1>cortisol and UH and lower stress in general. But they

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know there's it's necessarily a causation, right shut sure,

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 1>it's related. UM. And you know, any time that you're

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 1>that you're controlling your own breathing, you can strengthen your

0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>respiratory system, which is definitely part of that entire whole body,

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 1>uh being less sick and sleeping good and stuff like that.

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>And these these changes like things like eating well and

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>trying to make sure you get enough sleep and uh

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>taking time to relax, these are things that can certainly

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>impact your long term levels of stress. UH. Being able

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 1>to recognize what what stressors are the ones that affect

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 1>you also very helpful so that you can recognize when

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>you are entering into a stressful situation and start to

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, prepare yourself for it and know that you

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>say things to yourself like, yes, this is a stressful situation,

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 1>but it's completely within my capability to handle, and it

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>may mean that you need to do something like either

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 1>change the stressful situation if that's within your power, or

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>yourself from it, or if that's within your power. If

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 1>that's not, then you start to say, all right, well,

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I cannot avoid the stressful situation, but I can at

0:31:56.480 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>least be aware of and perhaps even alter my react

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 1>action to it so that it is a useful reaction,

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 1>not something that's just going to make it even more

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>difficult for me to get through this stressful situation. So

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 1>there's one thing that I think we should touch on that,

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>as far as I know, has a really good scientific

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>pedigree in dealing with stress. And that's exercise certainly, right, Yeah,

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 1>exercise both while you are in the process of exercising

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and uh and and for a little while afterwards. UM

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 1>reduces the production of stress hormones like adrenaline and cortisol. Um,

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>and can increase the production of endorphins, which are you know,

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of natural painkillers and um, feel good, feel good

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 1>body drugs. Um. Well that makes sense to me. I mean,

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 1>obviously I'm no doctor, so tell me if I'm wrong,

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 1>because you're a doctor. But if you're you're the doctor

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 1>between the three of us, I think. Well, I mean,

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 1>if if cortisol and adrenaline are supposed to prepare you

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 1>for an athletic response to the tiger drawing a knife

0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>on you, then obviously it would seem that what your

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>body is needs to do to get rid of those

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>extra hormones is to enact that athletic response. Well. Um,

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 1>and I mean you know anyone who um you know,

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>if if you're a runner and you hit that runners high, Um,

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 1>that is that is those endorphins that I was talking about,

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 1>That that your system is just being gleefully flooded with UM.

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 1>And and there is a little bit of UM adrenaline

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 1>involved in working out. But but by exercising frequently, your

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 1>body learns how to regulate the production of those stress

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 1>hormones more efficiently and so UM, so you know, it

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 1>will be a little bit less of a burst. If

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>something bad does happen, then you might otherwise have UM

0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 1>you know. For furthermore, UM exercising will make you sleep

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 1>more deeply, which helps prevent some of those um uh

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, poor immune responses that you can get and

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 1>uh uh And also I mean sleeping more deeply also

0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>means that you are you are actually being able to

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 1>to deal with the stress over time, because as if

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:08.320
<v Speaker 1>you're not sleeping, if're not sleeping, well that just starts

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>to add to the stress, which means that you have

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>this growing avalanche of stress that is hitting you each day,

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 1>and each day is a little worse than the day before.

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:17.720
<v Speaker 1>It kind of reminds me of that scene in Office

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Space where he says, you know, every day is the

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 1>worst day of your life, and then the next day

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>is even worse, So therefore that becomes the worst day

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>of your life. So every single day is the worst

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 1>day of your life at that point. That's kind of

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 1>how people feel when they're overwhelmed by stress and they

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 1>have these factors coming in, especially if they have insomnia.

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:35.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's one of those things that just it

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 1>accumulates each day. So being a yeah, well, I mean,

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>but that's it's very much. When I saw that part

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:46.760
<v Speaker 1>of the movie, even though he was just talking about

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:50.320
<v Speaker 1>his experience of going to work and also his relationship

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.319
<v Speaker 1>with his girlfriend at the time, when he's talking about

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff, I'm thinking, that is a great

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 1>expression of what long term stress feels like. Every day

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.800
<v Speaker 1>is the worst day of your life or is flogging

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Molly would say, it's been the worst day since yesterday. Uh.

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Exercise also well um uh. If you do it regularly,

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 1>lower your your your blood pressure and improve your cholesterol

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>account um, you know, reduce your blood sugar. UM. Blood

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 1>sugar for those of you who are not hypoglycemic and

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:24.359
<v Speaker 1>don't have to think about this all all the time,

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 1>is when you when your blood sugar drops um, very

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 1>very sharply and very suddenly. It is kind of physiologically

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 1>identical to having an anxiety attack. UM. I both kind

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 1>of experienced this, yeah, and and so so if you

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, diet um improving your diet eating you know,

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 1>more vegetables, more fiber, more lean meats. Um, you know,

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 1>getting getting the right balance of nutrients for your body.

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:53.440
<v Speaker 1>And that is not necessarily what the balance is for

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.239
<v Speaker 1>anybody else. So you know, pay attention and work it

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.840
<v Speaker 1>out for yourself. Um, which I know is not is

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>not the friendliest in vice and being able to uh

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 1>to to visit with a doctor or nutritionists can be

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 1>of great help. It can, it can, but um, but

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>but all of that can also absolutely decrease your stress

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 1>levels excellent. Well you know, I mean, I'm sure all

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 1>of us here have dealt with periods of our life

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:18.880
<v Speaker 1>where we went through a great deal of stress in

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 1>one way or another. And uh, you know, I, like

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I said, I certainly think that anything that you find

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 1>that relaxes you where you're not hurting yourself or someone

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:31.880
<v Speaker 1>else is a good thing. So I highly recommend, you know,

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 1>trying out different approaches and finding what works for you

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 1>to relieve stress levels so that you don't experience this

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:41.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of chronic stress, which is really a tough thing

0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:44.400
<v Speaker 1>to be in. I mean, I can think of there

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 1>was a six month period where I was out of work.

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Uh that by the end of it, I was really

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 1>in bad shape. And uh, if I had not found

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.319
<v Speaker 1>ways to relieve that stress, I'm sure that I would

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.360
<v Speaker 1>have been an even worse shape. So certainly something to

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:02.320
<v Speaker 1>look into if you are dealing with these kind of issues.

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>So a lot of the things we have just been

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:09.880
<v Speaker 1>talking about have been things that require your initiative. And

0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm all for self reliance and and having

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:17.879
<v Speaker 1>a personal initiative, but sometimes that's hard, right. I'm kind

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.959
<v Speaker 1>of interested in what things we could think about, uh

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 1>doing that could sort of ambiently reduce our stress in

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>a way that we don't have to think about or

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 1>work hard on personally, or there ways of just creating

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:36.840
<v Speaker 1>environments that help reduce stress automatically. I think any environment

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that has a distinct lack of knife wielding tigers would help. Yeah,

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I would. I would imagine that you know that that

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 1>that relatively um peaceful environments, you know, one of the

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:50.760
<v Speaker 1>ones that are more or less quiet, perhaps have growing things.

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Um well, I mean it does know sudden noises. It

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 1>doesn't help that our office has a guy with a

0:37:56.719 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>burlap sack and a chainsaw, you know, running around constantly.

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:04.360
<v Speaker 1>I find that very relaxing personally. Yeah. Uh, Well, here's

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 1>one thing I found out about and I thought this

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 1>was really interesting. You could look to geometric patterns, geometric patterns,

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 1>geometric patterns to reduce stress. Now, this is from based

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:22.799
<v Speaker 1>on a paper published in the journal Leonardo. It was

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 1>by the physicist Richard Taylor, and it was published in

0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six. It was called Reduction of Physiological

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Stress using Fractal Art and Architecture. And I thought this

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:37.719
<v Speaker 1>paper was really interesting because it talked about how apparently

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 1>our brains respond to certain geometric patterns in a way

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 1>that reduces stress. Um. So he cites a NASIS study

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:50.720
<v Speaker 1>that had been done years before, I think in nineteen

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 1>six that had people performing different mental tasks, so they'd

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 1>have to do creative thinking or mental arithmetic, or solve

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 1>a logic problem. And the variable they altered was what

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:07.239
<v Speaker 1>these people were looking at when they had to do

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 1>these tasks. Now, one of the things was a certain

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 1>nature scene, and then there was a different nature scene

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 1>that showed like a tree on a savannah, and then

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 1>there was this artificial, synthetic kind of pattern of lines

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 1>and what they found was that one of these one

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:28.520
<v Speaker 1>of the nature scenes, the savannah tree, significantly lowered the

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 1>stress these people were feeling. They tested stress in between

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>these uh these exercises by galvanic skin conductance so UM

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 1>and that's been used in other studies to test physiological

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 1>stress before UM and what they discovered was that this

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>savannah try really lowered people stress levels compared to the

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 1>other sites, and that seemed interesting. UM. And one thing

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 1>he looked at was the fractal patterns that were manifest

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 1>in these different images. So what are fractal patterns. Well,

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 1>so you imagine Euclidean geometry and that's the normal geometry

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 1>we think of like triangles and circles, then love crafty

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:15.320
<v Speaker 1>and geometry. Yeah, it's not not very cathulu shaped. Um.

0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:17.399
<v Speaker 1>But then when we start thinking about things that are

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:23.319
<v Speaker 1>cathulu shaped, like Caula exactly, he's so fractal. Well, you

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:26.280
<v Speaker 1>start talking about fractal geometry, and this is a concept

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:31.360
<v Speaker 1>that's really interesting. Essentially, fractal geometry is something that it

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 1>shows patterns that reproduce at any level of resolution, So

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:39.800
<v Speaker 1>you can keep zooming in and you'll see the same

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:42.840
<v Speaker 1>patterns emerged no matter how far you zoom in or

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:46.720
<v Speaker 1>zoom out, and you could think about how fractal patterns

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 1>actually manifest a lot in nature like we noticed them.

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 1>If you look at patterns of branches on trees in

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.439
<v Speaker 1>the forest, um, you get really close and you see

0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 1>the same kind of patterns in the veins of the

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:01.399
<v Speaker 1>leaves and the small eiggs. And then you zoom back

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 1>out and you see the branches, and you zoom further

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>out and you see the forest itself, the same patterns emerged.

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 1>You can see the same thing in like mountain crags.

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:14.360
<v Speaker 1>So you zoom in on one specific little crag and

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:16.799
<v Speaker 1>it's the same kind of shape as a mountain as

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:21.000
<v Speaker 1>a whole. Yeah, the pebble is overall um. And it

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 1>turns out, according to this research, we really like looking

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 1>at this stuff. We find fractal plat patterns inherently pleasing.

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 1>If you've ever watched any video of a Mandel broad set,

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:37.920
<v Speaker 1>as it just continuously zooms further and further into the

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 1>fractal pattern, you might have experienced this. And one thing

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Taylor finds in his paper is that in this NASA

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 1>study with the with the physiological response to looking at

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:52.880
<v Speaker 1>these different images, the image that people had the greatest

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 1>stress reduction from was showing the most fractal geometry, and

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 1>showed he essentially, so there's a way of thinking about

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:08.920
<v Speaker 1>fractal things called D values. And so you can imagine

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:11.760
<v Speaker 1>a picture that's just got a line across the middle,

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:13.959
<v Speaker 1>and he says, that would have a D value of one.

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 1>And then you can imagine a picture that's completely black, uh,

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 1>instead of just the one black line, and that's a two.

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 1>And so fractal D values are expressed between one and two.

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 1>And he found that mid range D values between like

0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 1>one point three and one point five were the ones

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.799
<v Speaker 1>that people liked the best. And so there's actually a

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 1>way of determining geometric patterns that can help people reduce

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the stress they feel when they've got, you know, just

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:46.879
<v Speaker 1>going on. So uh, he he suggests, well, what if

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 1>we think about incorporating this into architecture, because the fact

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 1>of these geometric patterns showed up whether we're looking at

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:59.359
<v Speaker 1>nature or whether we're looking at paintings or just any

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 1>shapes whatsoever. So what if you could build buildings that

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:06.879
<v Speaker 1>had these pleasing fractal patterns that made people feel less

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:11.840
<v Speaker 1>stress or just paint jobs, right, yeah, whatever wallpaper or

0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the big one I thought about is in our digital displays.

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean you look at your Microsoft word layout. There's

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:22.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Euclidean geometry. It's boxes and stuff like that.

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.320
<v Speaker 1>And if that blue background was instead of pleasing fractal

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:28.880
<v Speaker 1>pattern like yeah Jackson Pollock kind of thing, or a

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 1>bunch of forest branches, that could actually have a potentially

0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:39.720
<v Speaker 1>really important and positive effect on our stress lest calming effect. Yeah. Interesting,

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:42.280
<v Speaker 1>So I you know, one way you could think about

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 1>it is will we live in these sort of fractal

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.759
<v Speaker 1>metropolis is well along those same lines, there's something that

0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 1>this this almost falls more in the WOU category in

0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a way, just simply because it's unsupported by by any

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 1>real scientific study that I've seen. But the idea of

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>binaral beats. Have you has heard about these? Oh? I've heard. Yeah,

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to deal with that is so binarial.

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 1>It means that you're getting frequencies in in both ears. Now,

0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 1>the actual um effect of binarial beats was discovered by

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 1>a guy named Heinrich ville Helm Dove back in the

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:20.600
<v Speaker 1>mid nineteenth century. So now the effect is that he

0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.240
<v Speaker 1>discovered that if you played a certain if you played

0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 1>frequencies in one ear in a different set of frequencies

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and another ear, you would actually perceive interference beats the

0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>same way you would if those beats were actually physically

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:36.320
<v Speaker 1>being made at that time. Like the combination of these

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:40.320
<v Speaker 1>two frequencies that you are perceiving would create the perception

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 1>of beats that aren't physically really there, but they would

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 1>if you know, if you were to create them physically,

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 1>they would be it would sound the same to you.

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:52.719
<v Speaker 1>So that was pretty much the extent of his discovery.

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 1>He did not suggest that these would be somehow capable

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:02.839
<v Speaker 1>of creating specific reactions in your brain. However, today you've

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:07.720
<v Speaker 1>got a growing population of people who have made claims

0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:12.920
<v Speaker 1>that these sort of beats could create different experiences, everything

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 1>akin to a deep relaxation to euphoria, as if you

0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:21.280
<v Speaker 1>were experiencing some form of high from a recreational drug.

0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:26.200
<v Speaker 1>And uh, there doesn't seem to be really any verifiable

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 1>scientific evidence for that those claims. That doesn't mean that

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 1>they that it won't one day exist, but right now

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 1>there doesn't seem to be anything that along the lines.

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 1>In fact, a lot of the studies I've seen, or

0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 1>at least a lot of the initial response I've seen,

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:42.840
<v Speaker 1>seems to suggest that there's more about the power of

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 1>suggestion being going on here than any kind of actual

0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 1>physiological response. That being said, it may be that listening

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:53.319
<v Speaker 1>to some of these tones, which are really they tend

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:55.960
<v Speaker 1>to be in the very low frequency range, so very

0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:59.680
<v Speaker 1>deep tones, that listening to them can some for some

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.839
<v Speaker 1>people at least help them, uh when they are trying

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:06.439
<v Speaker 1>to meditate, so it can be an aid. So, you know,

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.840
<v Speaker 1>it's an interesting concept. It's similar to what you're talking about,

0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 1>using the your sense of sight to look at something

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 1>very specific that will have a calming effect. In this case,

0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 1>it's listening to something that would have been engineered to

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.440
<v Speaker 1>have a calming effect on you. The question, though, is

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 1>does it really have a demonstrable physiological effect beyond some

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.000
<v Speaker 1>people just find it relaxing to listen to, as opposed

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 1>to there being the relaxation is being induced in some way. Um,

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 1>we don't have all the information there, so we can't

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:39.799
<v Speaker 1>really draw a conclusion. And uh, you know, again, it

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:42.560
<v Speaker 1>may turn out that this is something that under scientific

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.880
<v Speaker 1>study proves that hey, there's something to this beyond Uh,

0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:48.600
<v Speaker 1>some claims that people have made and it goes beyond

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:51.760
<v Speaker 1>the power of suggestion. Uh, I just haven't seen anything

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.759
<v Speaker 1>that supports that yet. But it's another interesting approach of

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:57.720
<v Speaker 1>the idea of catering to your senses in a way

0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 1>to induce calming and relax station because, like you said,

0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, sometimes you're in a situation where you can

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:09.400
<v Speaker 1>you could tell yourself, I need to relax a thousand

0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 1>times not necessarily helpful when that tiger with a knife

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 1>is firing you. Yeah. Well, that's one of the big problems,

0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 1>isn't it that we just even though we know we

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 1>should relax, we often don't have the presence of mind

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 1>to do it. And uh there. So there's another thing

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:27.279
<v Speaker 1>that I thought was interesting, is I wonder to what

0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:31.680
<v Speaker 1>extent technology could help you, Like, can you have a

0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 1>relaxation app? Now these things already exist, actually tons of apps.

0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:39.479
<v Speaker 1>You can buy the calm down app, you know, but

0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:41.880
<v Speaker 1>they all rely on you, right right, They tell you

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:44.839
<v Speaker 1>take a time out, and then well they rely on

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 1>they rely on you to activate them. Right. You have

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 1>like like I'm feeling stressed out, I need to hit

0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the I'm feeling stressed out button, right but we often

0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 1>just don't have the presence of mind to do that, right,

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I went till we're at full panic mode. Yeah, I

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:02.880
<v Speaker 1>wonder if a there there could be a situation where,

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:06.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, you buy a special mouse that has galvanic

0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:09.760
<v Speaker 1>skin conductance on the buttons and it tests your stress

0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:12.320
<v Speaker 1>right there, and it can give your computer like, well,

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.480
<v Speaker 1>even though he doesn't know it, he's this stressed out

0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:17.719
<v Speaker 1>right now, you need to kick in the calm down app.

0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm just flashing back to a specific episode of The

0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.760
<v Speaker 1>I T. Crowd where they had a stress test machine

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:27.320
<v Speaker 1>and and uh and and Moss and Roy just decided

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 1>that that was their opportunity to test the machine as

0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:33.000
<v Speaker 1>opposed to using the machine to test their stress. They

0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 1>would watch someone using it and then they would try

0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:37.760
<v Speaker 1>to stress the person out just to watch the needle

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:42.880
<v Speaker 1>move back and forth. Good times. Well, you know, I

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:45.319
<v Speaker 1>certainly hope if any of you out there listening have

0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:47.719
<v Speaker 1>had issues with stress in the past, or maybe you're

0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 1>currently having problems with stress, you know, take some of

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:54.480
<v Speaker 1>the stuff that we've said into consideration, try some different

0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:57.799
<v Speaker 1>relaxation techniques. You know, it may be that you need

0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.200
<v Speaker 1>to look at things like your sleep schedule, you're the

0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:02.800
<v Speaker 1>your diet, and and you know, consulting a physician is

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:04.400
<v Speaker 1>not a bad idea. Yeah, I was gonna say the

0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:06.520
<v Speaker 1>best thing to do is not listen to us, probably

0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 1>but talk to your doctor. Well again again, if it's

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:10.319
<v Speaker 1>if it's one of those things where you're just like,

0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 1>oh man, I'm just I'm tense, that's one thing. If

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:18.959
<v Speaker 1>it's if it's medically you know, a medically uh something

0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:21.160
<v Speaker 1>that needs to be addressed by medicine, obviously, go see

0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:23.719
<v Speaker 1>a physician. I mean it's you know, if it's something

0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:25.879
<v Speaker 1>where you're just kind of like, I'm tired of being

0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 1>tense all the time, then it may just mean that

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you need to get more sleep, eat better, and exercise

0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:34.480
<v Speaker 1>a bit and take some time to relax. That definitely

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:36.399
<v Speaker 1>sounds easier than it is. I mean, I know that

0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.720
<v Speaker 1>their ties when I get home and I think where

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.760
<v Speaker 1>did all my time go? But but it is important

0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:43.680
<v Speaker 1>and if you're able to do that, then it can

0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:46.480
<v Speaker 1>really help out a lot. And again, you know, consult

0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 1>a physician if you are experiencing chronic stress and and

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:52.360
<v Speaker 1>and chronic health problems that might be related to stress.

0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:57.160
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